#linuxcnc Logs

Jan 09 2021

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01:08 AM Deejay: moin
01:14 AM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: do it.
01:14 AM XXCoder: i'd use sheets and press engraver
01:40 AM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: I'd etch quartz with a laser
01:40 AM XXCoder: how would you read manual in quartz
01:41 AM CaptHindsight: depends on how it's etched
01:41 AM CaptHindsight: digital , analog, text, pictograms etc
01:41 AM XXCoder: lol
02:30 AM sorki is now known as srk
04:21 AM Tom_L: morning
04:22 AM XXCoder: good morning
05:03 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:22 AM XXCoder: good morning
06:37 AM XXCoder: wow never heard of this type of "rivets" https://youtu.be/2CHXBMwxRWA
06:51 AM JT-Cave: the sex bolts?
06:52 AM XXCoder: guy didnt call it that lol
07:00 AM JT-Cave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_bolt
07:03 AM XXCoder: interesting
07:03 AM XXCoder: its basically that but not
07:03 AM XXCoder: he had slots on one side, used lockete, then filed both ends to flush
07:03 AM XXCoder: its not intended to be removed again ever
07:06 AM JT-Cave: it's still a sex bolt...
07:06 AM XXCoder: i know
07:07 AM XXCoder: im just saying he didnt call it that :)
07:07 AM XXCoder: oh yes he called it chicago rivets
07:08 AM JT-Cave: hi ho hi ho it's off to clean chicken poop I go
07:08 AM XXCoder: yay poop time
08:00 AM sorki is now known as srk
08:41 AM gregcnc: wtf is restricted mode on YT?
08:43 AM XXCoder: when does that appear
08:44 AM gregcnc: i can't see any comments and restricted mode is off
08:44 AM XXCoder: did you comment anything about election or riot?
08:44 AM gregcnc: fuck no
08:44 AM XXCoder: those 2 topic is highest likehood
08:44 AM XXCoder: hm dunno then
08:45 AM gregcnc: mainstream and social media will save the world
08:45 AM XXCoder: tiny table saw thats actually quality https://youtu.be/gn1VOs6ayWg
08:50 AM XXCoder: 400 usd wow no wonder it seemed high quality
08:50 AM XXCoder: so far above harbor fright 35 usd one
08:50 AM gregcnc: high cost seemed obvious from the thumbnail
08:51 AM gregcnc: anything that doesn't suck is costly
08:51 AM XXCoder: yeah. dont buy hf btw. its secured in such way that if it fails, blade will come out
08:52 AM gregcnc: i've spent like 3$ at HF
08:52 AM XXCoder: yeah hf is fine for some stuff
08:53 AM XXCoder: but not mini sawtable lol thats dangerous af
08:54 AM gregcnc: are there any keyseat cutters in 3/8 shank? or is everything American standard 1/2"?
08:55 AM XXCoder: dunnio been while since last time I was there lol
08:55 AM gregcnc: general question, not HF related
08:55 AM XXCoder: oh. dunno also lol
09:02 AM gregcnc: I guess i'll have to track down a DIN cutter with 10mm shank
09:02 AM gregcnc: hmm YT comments are back
09:03 AM XXCoder: did you get any email about it?
09:03 AM gregcnc: no
09:03 AM XXCoder: wonder if it was everyone not just you
09:04 AM gregcnc: the censorship is out of hand
09:04 AM XXCoder: youre assuming much
09:04 AM gregcnc: ??
09:05 AM XXCoder: it might be service glitch for exampkle
09:05 AM gregcnc: it lasted for a couple days
09:05 AM XXCoder: thats odd, because if it was ban or something like that, they'd email you or something
09:07 AM gregcnc: i make like one comment a week
09:07 AM XXCoder: thats 100 times more than me heh
09:07 AM JT-Cave: terrible cut quality of the mini table saw blade lol
09:08 AM XXCoder: yeah?
09:08 AM XXCoder: i didnt really look close to that in video
09:08 AM JT-Cave: lots of tear out on the bottom
09:09 AM XXCoder: geez
09:09 AM XXCoder: I was wondering about getting one for creating artwork blocks in future.
09:09 AM XXCoder: but guess not
09:10 AM XXCoder: fuck its 7 am and i cant sleep
09:11 AM JT-Cave: maybe with a better blade it would be ok
09:11 AM JT-Cave: what size blade does it use?
09:11 AM XXCoder: yeah. 4" apparently. its too expensive for me anyway lol
09:12 AM XXCoder: you probably can slap one together using scraps in your shop ;)
09:27 AM Tom_L: gregcnc, https://www.harveytool.com/products/keyseat-cutters---square
09:28 AM Tom_L: start at 1/8" shank
09:29 AM gregcnc: with ~1/4" radial cut
09:30 AM Tom_L: that spec is likely why the shanks are 1/2"
09:31 AM gregcnc: with the DIN cutters, no problem
09:34 AM gregcnc: i don't really want to spend this much https://www.harveytool.com/products/tool-details-982090
09:44 AM Tom_L: can't say i blame ya
09:45 AM Tom_L: that is quite a bit of grinding though
09:47 AM Tom_L: https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Milling/Milling-Cutters/Woodruff/Keyseat-Cutters-Sets/Woodruff/Keyseat-Cutters?navid=12106262
09:47 AM Tom_L: maybe they have one cheaper
09:49 AM Tom_L: looks like all those are 1/2" shank
09:50 AM Tom_L: another idea, get the good one, use it for what you need and sell it on ebay :)
09:50 AM Tom_L: about the same cost as a cheaper one but a bit more hassle
10:55 AM Loetmichel: *BOARPS* Just back from driving the wife around for the evening and then bringing her back to the hospital... Bought a KFC maxi bucket on the way home. Maybe i shoulnt have eaten those two buttered corn cobs, too... *my stomach is VERY short of exploding now* :)
11:00 AM DaViruz: just stay away from the last wafer thin mint
11:01 AM DaViruz: (monty python - mr creosote)
11:12 AM perry_j1987: morning all
11:15 AM _unreal_: sup
11:15 AM _unreal_: perry_j1987, what developments do you have?
11:16 AM _unreal_: I'm working on furthering the completion of my new laser etcher
11:16 AM perry_j1987: waitin for caps and breakout board to arrive tomorrow
11:16 AM perry_j1987: you know those two g320x drives that i bought?
12:45 PM Loetmichel: DaViruz: indeed
01:04 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you settle on an enclosure yet?
01:58 PM JT-Shop: yea I need a 10x10x6 for the operator panel and a 10x10x4 for the power supply and drive
03:14 PM jdh]: mill them out of billet
03:47 PM * JT-Shop wonders what to lube the posts on the planer with???
04:10 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what about silicone spray?
04:10 PM Tom_L: should dry and not have wood dust stick to it
04:11 PM Tom_L: jdh], only the government does that
04:11 PM Tom_L: and yes they do
04:13 PM Tom_L: or
04:13 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, DynaGlide Plus with HD 4X is a dry lubricant with proprietary additives engineered for all woodworking tools and metal surfaces. Silicone and Teflon-free, DynaGlide Plus eliminates finishing problems due to transfer from metal woodworking tool surfaces, says the manufacturer.
04:13 PM Tom_L: https://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/wood-machinery-supplies/cutting-tools-grinders/DRY-LUBRICANT-FOR-WOODWORKING-TOOLS-168675576.html
04:13 PM Tom_L: the idea is it's a dry lube
04:20 PM Tom_L: i also considered suggesting paste car wax
04:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/lubricants
04:24 PM JT-Shop: I just used a paste wax, dynaglide is interesting
04:34 PM Tom_L: does silicone spray stay sticky?
04:43 PM JT-Shop: dunno but you don't want silicone around wood or powder coating
04:43 PM roycroft: silicone is fine around wood as long as you never want to apply a finish to the wood
04:44 PM roycroft: what are we lubricating?
04:44 PM * roycroft missed the beginning of this
04:45 PM CaptHindsight: silicone based finish :p
04:45 PM roycroft: you can lube that with snot
04:46 PM roycroft: just be sure to uv scan the snot first, so as to not spread teh sars-cov-2
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: if the silicone doesn't penetrate all the way through you might be able to sand down past it and then use a finish
04:47 PM roycroft: if it's wood, the silicone has gone deeper than you can sand
04:48 PM roycroft: you'd have to run the wood through a thicknesser and remove a substantial amount of it
04:48 PM JT-Shop: posts on the planer
04:48 PM roycroft: the upright posts that support the cutterhead?
04:48 PM JT-Shop: yup
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: #20 on a floor sander will get through the toughest lumber in no time :)
04:49 PM roycroft: i use 30 weight oil on mine
04:49 PM JT-Shop: I used paste wax
04:49 PM roycroft: that is probably ok
04:50 PM roycroft: the newer version of mine comes with accordian sleeves to cover the metal
04:50 PM roycroft: so one can glob on more oil and not worry
04:50 PM roycroft: i've been meaning to find out if i can retrofit those on mine
04:50 PM roycroft: they're like cv joint boots on front end drive cars
04:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.indianalandmarks.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/005-refinished-floor-and-original-finish-horizontal.jpg
04:52 PM roycroft: i've used floor sanders before
04:52 PM roycroft: i hate refinishing wood floors, btw
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: oh yeah loads of fun
04:53 PM roycroft: everything about the process up until the very end is horrible
04:53 PM roycroft: but the results can be stunning
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: the most common mistake I'd see is running the floor sander to slow and leaving deep gouges that they would just leave
04:54 PM CaptHindsight: to/too
04:54 PM roycroft: yes, it needs to be moving constantly
04:54 PM roycroft: and moving at a fairly decent clip
04:54 PM CaptHindsight: you could usually tell where they stopped and started the sander :)
04:54 PM roycroft: it needs to be moving while you're starting and stopping it
04:55 PM roycroft: but bad sanding techniques are not the exclusive purvue of amateur floor refinishers
04:55 PM roycroft: the same issues exist with almost all sanding tasks
04:56 PM roycroft: another common problem is not blending the edge sanding in with the main sanding
04:56 PM roycroft: but perhaps the biggest problem is not hand-sanding the corners properly
04:56 PM CaptHindsight: oh you mean the perimeter should not be a noticeably different texture? :)
04:57 PM roycroft: correct
04:57 PM roycroft: most folks just get the belt sander for the main floor and the edge sander for the perimeter
04:57 PM roycroft: and when they get to the corners the edge sander can't get all the way in the corner
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: I've saw so many poorly rehabbed places in the Chicago
04:57 PM roycroft: so they sand that part by hand
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: area
04:57 PM roycroft: and they get bored after about 17 seconds, when the job actually takes 10 minutes
04:58 PM roycroft: my festool rotex sander has a delta pad that would get in into corners very nicely
04:58 PM roycroft: i've not used it on a floor, but i'm sure it would do a very good job
04:58 PM roycroft: i am old and wise now, unlike in my youth
04:59 PM roycroft: i do not sand floors
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=mHiF8xwjRGI
04:59 PM roycroft: i know better than to do that :)
05:00 PM roycroft: when i lived up in washington i did a remodel of a 3500 square foot arts and crafts house
05:01 PM roycroft: the owner wanted everything to look perfect
05:01 PM roycroft: part of the job entailed sanding and refinishing all the floors
05:01 PM roycroft: and part of the job was also to rewire it, replacing the knob and tube wiring with modern, grounded wiring
05:02 PM roycroft: what i did in that house was very carefully remove all the baseboards
05:02 PM roycroft: and i was able to run the new wiring along the bottom of the walls, behind the baseboard (the baseboards were about 6" wide in this house)
05:03 PM roycroft: i'd put a remodel box in the wall at the proper height, and would fish the wires up from the bottom of the wall to the box
05:03 PM roycroft: it was a really nice, neat way of doing the wiring
05:03 PM roycroft: and i sanded the floors while the baseboards were still off
05:03 PM roycroft: so no problem with edges
05:03 PM roycroft: i worked on that house for over a year, but it turned out really nice
05:04 PM roycroft: i was even able to find some reproduction pushbutton light switches that looked exactly like vintage ones
05:05 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: what if i like dents and dings? heh
05:05 PM roycroft: the receptacles looked modern, of course, because they were grounding
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: I was just thinking the same :)
05:08 PM XXCoder: honestly i wouldnt care about dings etc
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: I have sanded some floors to get the old finish off but wanted to keep a distressed look
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: so I went back over the floor with chains and similar to add some
05:10 PM CaptHindsight: I have concrete now but I used to like old plank floors
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: i liked the gaps the roughness
05:11 PM Tom_L: roycroft, ever hear of or try that DynaGlide?
05:12 PM JT-Shop: wish I could find a can of Johnsons paste wax...
05:12 PM XXCoder: capt what I care about is how strong floor is, and even. by even I mean overall, not dents and such
05:13 PM Tom_L: and i do now remember about silicone and wood finishing
05:13 PM Tom_L: i just haven't done any in so long
05:13 PM Tom_L: nothing but fisheye
05:16 PM roycroft: correct
05:16 PM roycroft: jt-shop: if you're going to use wax on the pillars, use rennaissance wax
05:16 PM roycroft: it's what museums use to protect things without damaging them
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: try concrete :)
05:17 PM XXCoder: that can look good with right chemicals and coloring
05:17 PM JT-Shop: interesting
05:20 PM XXCoder: capt theres guy who covered entire floor in escher lizards
05:20 PM XXCoder: looked so cool!
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcrystalline_wax
05:22 PM roycroft: in my shop, i keep chunks of beeswax and carnauba wax, which i use to make my own wax finishes, and renaissance wax for wood and metals, and alfie shine for really nice, small bits of wood
05:22 PM roycroft: i like to use the alfie shine on the insides of boxes and sstuff - people love the smell
05:22 PM roycroft: nd it leaves a lovely finish
05:23 PM roycroft: it's a resin wax, and the resins in it are quite aromatic
05:23 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: http://danceswithferrets.org/geekblog/?p=154
05:23 PM XXCoder: I REALLY want that lol
05:23 PM roycroft: on hand tools, i use starrett oil or renaissance wax
05:24 PM roycroft: i used to use jojoba oil, which a lot of folks recommend, but i found it goes rancid after a while
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: thats not a bad CNC idea, custom floor tiles like puzzle pieces
05:25 PM XXCoder: yeah.
05:25 PM XXCoder: escher lizards is specifically made to infinitely tile also
05:27 PM roycroft: renaissance wax is awesome on brass, btw
05:28 PM roycroft: it keeps it from tarnishing almost as well as a lacquer cote, without making it all shiny like lacquer does
05:28 PM roycroft: and it's a lot easier to renew than lacquer - just clean it up and apply more
05:28 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: oh yes forgot. that site author made program to aid you design it also lol
05:30 PM JT-Cave: roycroft, renaissance wax is good for cast iron?
05:30 PM JT-Cave: to slick it up for table saws and jointers?
05:30 PM Tom_L: one of those articles suggested car wax
05:31 PM roycroft: i prefer boeshield for that
05:31 PM roycroft: and i think i told you earlier that i like to heat up the cast iron before applying the boeshield
05:32 PM roycroft: it soaks in better
05:32 PM JT-Cave: yup
05:32 PM roycroft: renaissance wax, i think, would be too thin a film to be durable on table saw tops and the like
05:32 PM roycroft: you'd be reapplying it constantly
05:32 PM roycroft: there is, btw, a boeshield product made for bicycles that comes in a non-aerosol bottle
05:33 PM roycroft: i've had issues with the spray cans clogging in the past, and having to toss an almost full can because of that
05:33 PM roycroft: i've never had that problem with the bottled stuff
05:33 PM JT-Cave: I had one clog and then it started working again
05:33 PM roycroft: that's actually on my list of stuff to do this weekend - apply boeshield to my table staw
05:33 PM roycroft: saw
05:34 PM roycroft: it's getting too sticky
05:34 PM JT-Cave: https://www.amazon.com/Boeshield-Waterproof-Lubricant-Protection-Original/dp/B08PQ549KL
05:34 PM roycroft: i had a job a week or two ago that required using it, and i just rubbed some beeswax on it to get through the job
05:34 PM JT-Cave: that stuff
05:34 PM roycroft: that is the stuff
05:35 PM roycroft: it's the best thing i've ever used on my woodworking tool beds
05:36 PM roycroft: clean the bed (i cut a disc of scotch-brite green and put it on a an orbital sander), heat it up with a heat gun, flood it with boeshield, wait a half hour, then wipe it dry
05:36 PM roycroft: that should last several months
05:37 PM roycroft: if there's any corrosion on the machine bed i'll often put a little 3-in-1 oil on the scotch-brite pad
05:38 PM roycroft: that does a great job cutting through light surface oxidation
05:41 PM JT-Cave: I use bosheild rustfree if I have any rust
05:41 PM JT-Cave: probably pretty toxic but works well
05:43 PM roycroft: i've never tried that
05:43 PM roycroft: 3-in-1 oil + scotch brite pads work for me, and i keep that stuff in stock
05:43 PM roycroft: the boeshield stuff may work better/more easily
05:44 PM roycroft: i'll give it a go some time to compare with what i'm doing
05:44 PM roycroft: i don't mind stocking additional supplies if they save me time and money in the end
05:45 PM _unreal_: fewffff
05:45 PM JT-Cave: the boeshield rustfree is very fast
05:45 PM _unreal_: been doing cad work for hours
05:46 PM roycroft: i'm going to clean up my table saw right now
05:46 PM roycroft: it will probably take me 5-10 minutes
05:47 PM _unreal_: great now what am I going to do
05:47 PM _unreal_: if you leave to go do that
05:47 PM _unreal_: LOL
05:49 PM roycroft: it will probably take about as long to cut out the scotch-brite pad as to clean the table
05:51 PM roycroft: but my table saw is not really rusty
05:51 PM roycroft: it's just a wee bit sticky
05:54 PM gigasu_shida is now known as gigas_cedar
06:10 PM _unreal_: there I more or less finished designing my custom parts to use for adding a Z to my laser etcher
06:17 PM perry_j1987: hows it going guys
06:19 PM roycroft: it's going great
06:20 PM roycroft: my table saw top is all clean and smooth, and almost ready to use agin
06:20 PM roycroft: again
06:23 PM perry_j1987: nice
06:23 PM perry_j1987: cast iron top?
06:25 PM roycroft: yes
06:32 PM roycroft: i usually do a cleanup and relube of my machines in the spring and the fall, but didn't get around to it this past fall
06:32 PM roycroft: i went to use the table saw a week or so ago and it was slightly corroded
06:33 PM roycroft: it's much better now, but i need to do the other machines
06:33 PM roycroft: and i need to use my jointer and my thicknesser tomorrow, so i guess i'll be cleaning them up in the morning
06:39 PM perry_j1987: i spent some time out at the shop today
06:39 PM perry_j1987: put together some pallet racking
06:39 PM perry_j1987: built the stand for the new lathe to get that ready
06:53 PM perry_j1987: i gotta figure out how many tools i'll be able to fit gang tool style on this new lathe
07:02 PM jdh: I sat around and did nothing.
07:02 PM Tom_L: bum
07:04 PM perry_j1987: lol
07:04 PM perry_j1987: you guys know of any small lathe turrets?
07:06 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC0oToDWb8c
07:06 PM perry_j1987: keep seeing this aussie pc200 lathe
07:10 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXvrfDqYI3s
07:10 PM _unreal_: perry_j1987, ahh so you went with the geckos
07:10 PM roycroft: well this is nince
07:10 PM roycroft: nice
07:11 PM perry_j1987: _unreal_ yep bought two and they sent me 3 haha
07:11 PM Tom_L: roycroft, what is?
07:11 PM roycroft: i haven't drained my air compressor tank in a long time, because it's a pain in the butt to drain it
07:11 PM roycroft: i finally just did so, and there was only about 200ml of water in it
07:11 PM Tom_L: funny, i just did that a few weeks ago after a couple years??
07:11 PM Tom_L: probably 1/2 gal or thereabouts
07:12 PM Tom_L: 80 gal tank
07:12 PM roycroft: mine is 60 gallons
07:12 PM _unreal_: tom. run a copper line from the bleed out to a nice alve
07:12 PM _unreal_: valve
07:12 PM Tom_L: already did
07:12 PM _unreal_: AHH
07:12 PM _unreal_: can always go with an auto bleeder
07:12 PM Tom_L: the tube from the tank was rusted shut
07:12 PM _unreal_: hum
07:13 PM Tom_L: so i had to take the valve off and unplug it
07:13 PM _unreal_: speaking of my air compresor has not been run in what 3 years :S
07:13 PM _unreal_: sitting in my trailer in storage
07:13 PM _unreal_: :(
07:13 PM roycroft: i was expecting a lot more water
07:13 PM _unreal_: you life in a winter area
07:13 PM _unreal_: live
07:13 PM roycroft: you live in florida, _unreal_
07:13 PM roycroft: if you've not run your compressor in 3 years it is totally converted to rust now
07:13 PM _unreal_: air compressors can FILLLLL real fast with water down here
07:14 PM _unreal_: could be
07:14 PM _unreal_: dont know
07:14 PM _unreal_: cant access it. its burried in my 4x6 trailer
07:14 PM roycroft: keep in mind that winter is our wet season
07:14 PM gregcnc: did you drain it the last tiem you ran it?
07:14 PM roycroft: we're opposite to back east
07:14 PM Tom_L: i need a new dryer for mine
07:14 PM _unreal_: roy maybe wet but the air is dry
07:14 PM roycroft: no, the air is not dry here
07:14 PM _unreal_: roycroft, with any luck
07:14 PM _unreal_: but I have no idea
07:15 PM roycroft: our relative humdity averages around 20% in the summer, but 80% in the winter
07:15 PM roycroft: like i said, we're the opposite of back east
07:15 PM _unreal_: ya I think its 101% here on average
07:15 PM roycroft: yes
07:15 PM roycroft: you're not back east
07:15 PM roycroft: you're in florida
07:15 PM roycroft: your humidity is 110% year-round
07:15 PM _unreal_: and its FREAKING cold out right now
07:15 PM _unreal_: I am toying with setting up a fire pit
07:16 PM roycroft: i remember i was at a conference in san diego in april one year
07:16 PM roycroft: it was "cold"
07:16 PM roycroft: the temperature was 20 degrees (68f)
07:16 PM roycroft: the locals were all wearing sweaters an huddling around propane heaters at the restaurants
07:17 PM roycroft: it's all relative
07:17 PM gregcnc: especially humidity
07:18 PM roycroft: it was nice here today
07:18 PM roycroft: ~12 degrees, and dry
07:18 PM roycroft: i repaired some roof leaks in my lean-to shed earlier today
07:19 PM roycroft: the same shed that houses my air compressor, which is probably why i decided it was time to drain the compressor
10:25 PM unterhaus: still no 7i48
10:45 PM Tom_L: you're waiting for one?
11:25 PM XXCoder: LOL dumb but funny https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/582328073878241303/797693475948593193/unknown.png?width=588&height=593
11:27 PM JavaBean: nice execution on that troll post
11:31 PM XXCoder: yeah
11:31 PM XXCoder: I like that channel! https://youtu.be/qvpSqV5BVEc
11:31 PM XXCoder: lots of hdpe recycling
11:33 PM JavaBean: lol, i think you meant that for #reprap
11:33 PM XXCoder: nah this one too. forgot to ALSO post there lol thanks
11:33 PM XXCoder: after all, we can make blanks to cnc mill
11:58 PM Thorhian: Oh dang is there an active reprap channel on Freenode? It just feels like the term "reprap" died a while ago because of the flood of cheap and somewhat decent desktop 3D printers.