#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 26 2020

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:18 AM veegee_: https://www.globalindustrial.ca/p/material-handling/forklifts-attachments/forks-extensions/class-2-replacement-fork-1-1-2w-x-42l-4-inch-thick-4-inch-thick-economy?PicGroupKey=83657
12:24 AM veegee_: LOL what the hell, the ONLY difference between "economy" and "premium" is the price
12:24 AM veegee_: The specs are exactly the same
12:24 AM veegee_: flyback and there you are
01:14 AM veegee_: god damn industrial battery chargers are overpriced
01:14 AM veegee_: I can't believe ferroresonant chargers and SCRs are still a thing in 2020
03:00 AM gloops: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-response-to-help-china-become-worlds-biggest-economy-five-years-early-12172631
03:00 AM gloops: oops wrong channel sorry
03:22 AM Deejay: moin
05:19 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:57 AM XXCoder: hey
07:52 AM _unreal_: burrrr
07:53 AM _unreal_: freaking hell its cold
08:58 AM Tom_L: morning
08:58 AM XXCoder: hey
09:31 AM _unreal_: playing witht his for the hell of it
09:31 AM _unreal_: https://www.cncedit.com/Basicviewer/
10:06 AM Loetmichel: re from driving around with the wife. Finally got the "clear" to take her on a spin. Even the /&%&/$%%& merc i had to drive couldnt make that a bad experinece... now i am at ease for the holidays. :)
10:42 AM _unreal_: trying to find the smallest box I can for this
10:42 AM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/Knifel-Submersible-Protection-Fountains-Hydroponics/dp/B07TXQS3LH
10:45 AM _unreal_: so I'm trying to find some kind of a tiny tank to house this pump
10:45 AM Tom_L: tupperware
10:45 AM _unreal_: I'm thinking I may have to just build a plug
10:45 AM gregcnc: 5 gallon bucket?
10:46 AM _unreal_: and make one
10:46 AM _unreal_: mounting it on the X/Z frame
10:46 AM gregcnc: the coolant pump on an axis?
10:47 AM _unreal_: I'm keeping the cooling system for z spindle fixed on the machine, the 2 lines I ran are for air and collent/mist
10:47 AM Tom_L: gregcnc, sure why not?????
10:47 AM gregcnc: what is the pump for?
10:47 AM Tom_L: you want a big enough reservoir to actually be able to cool
10:47 AM _unreal_: nope
10:47 AM gregcnc: well it's only 10:30 here and iv'e only had one coffee....
10:48 AM _unreal_: got a radiator
10:48 AM gregcnc: this is not the way
10:48 AM _unreal_: ?
10:49 AM gregcnc: have you ever used a machine with coolant?
10:49 AM _unreal_: My radiator exceeds what the spidle is capable of producing BTU's
10:49 AM _unreal_: no why?
10:49 AM gregcnc: oh spindle cooling
10:50 AM _unreal_: ya not chip or BIT clearing cooling
10:50 AM _unreal_: spindle motor cooling
10:50 AM gregcnc: I still wouldn't do that
10:50 AM _unreal_: :p
10:50 AM _unreal_: I have no desire to run 4 lines though my drag chains
10:50 AM gregcnc: 4?
10:51 AM _unreal_: +/- spindle cooling, air, cutting fluid
10:51 AM _unreal_: ya I'm not comming up with anything I'm going to have to build an FRP box
10:52 AM gregcnc: that's easier than 2 hoses?
10:52 AM _unreal_: 4
10:53 AM _unreal_: I have lines for air, and for bit cooling.
10:53 AM gregcnc: isn't air and oil going to be there anythow?
10:53 AM _unreal_: NO
10:53 AM gregcnc: air an oil are related to spindle cooling how?
10:54 AM _unreal_: they have no relation to spindle other then clearing chips and cooling the milling bits
10:54 AM gregcnc: and will be present if cooling isn't
10:55 AM _unreal_: ?
10:55 AM _unreal_: my spindle is water cooled
10:56 AM _unreal_: in any case looks like there are no easy to buy/mount sump boxes sigh
10:59 AM _unreal_: looking for something SORT of like this but much smaller and different design
10:59 AM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/Five-Oceans-Shower-System-FO-3611/dp/B00KCX13V0/ref=asc_df_B00KCX13V0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312114712708&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3641286817794503740&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012053&hvtargid=pla-556347415370&psc=1
11:00 AM _unreal_: ya its the custom shape I'm not going to find
11:00 AM gregcnc: custom isn't stock by the millions on amazon?
11:03 AM _unreal_: I've seen the shape I need in the past but they are always oil reservoir
11:04 AM _unreal_: for things like trim tabs
11:04 AM _unreal_: trim tab for boat angle when under way
11:04 AM _unreal_: maybe I should make an acrylic one
11:04 AM _unreal_: naaa
11:05 AM _unreal_: better to just design one cut a bunch of PVC foam board stack em wrap em wax em, lay it up
11:05 AM _unreal_: and get what I need/want
11:06 AM gregcnc: why are the extra lines such an issue?
11:06 AM _unreal_: I just said I'm out of room in my drag lines
11:07 AM _unreal_: I dont have the room to run 4 lines + motor wires, spindle power wire, signal wires, lighting wires
11:07 AM _unreal_: and the list goes on
11:08 AM _unreal_: besides, I like the idea of having more weight on my X/Z axis
11:09 AM gregcnc: more weight?
11:09 AM _unreal_: not a lot but still adding upto what 5 lbs
11:09 AM _unreal_: Harder to vibrate a larger load
11:10 AM gregcnc: vibrates at different frequency
11:10 AM _unreal_: if anything the cooling fluid will absorb
11:10 AM _unreal_: fingers crossed
11:11 AM gregcnc: the old fingers crossed engineering
11:12 AM gregcnc: i'm seeing movement on some usps packages I'm expecting
11:16 AM _unreal_: heh
11:16 AM _unreal_: the only movement on my orders is "shit"
11:18 AM _unreal_: ETA=jan5-27
11:18 AM _unreal_: ARG..
11:44 AM sinned6915: has anyone built an MPG type pendant?
11:59 AM _unreal_: purchased
11:59 AM _unreal_: why?
12:04 PM sinned6915: i am looking at a datasheet for a BOB and it looks its a rotary encoder and some switches
12:04 PM sinned6915: i am trying to figure out a pincount for I/O
12:08 PM _unreal_: what ctrl board are you using first of all
12:08 PM _unreal_: how are you getting the MPG signal to the pc?
12:08 PM _unreal_: or is this offline?
12:14 PM _unreal_: ?
12:16 PM roycroft: nice
12:16 PM roycroft: i was able to forego my annual trip to the mall to purchase calendars at half price by purchasing them online for half price
12:16 PM sinned6915: _unreal_ i dont know yet, i am triyng to work that out
12:16 PM roycroft: even in non-pandemic years i find going to the mall distasteful and tedius
12:17 PM sinned6915: i am probably going to stick with parallel port for now
12:17 PM roycroft: the only drawback now is that they will not arrive until 4 january, but i can live through a weekend without them
12:17 PM _unreal_: sinned6915, what control board do you have
12:17 PM _unreal_: do you have CNC?
12:17 PM sinned6915: i am building up a PC
12:18 PM sinned6915: using a 5 axis BOB for now
12:18 PM _unreal_: do you have a cnc machine yet?
12:18 PM sinned6915: I have a mill i am converting
12:18 PM _unreal_: ok are you using lcnc? or an other
12:18 PM sinned6915: I was looking at adding a C10 baord for more IO
12:18 PM _unreal_: so you have a mesa board?
12:18 PM sinned6915: yes, LinucCNC 2.7.14
12:18 PM sinned6915: no
12:18 PM _unreal_: hum
12:19 PM _unreal_: dont know what a c10 is
12:19 PM sinned6915: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/motion-controllers/c10-bidirectional-breakout
12:19 PM _unreal_: ahh
12:19 PM _unreal_: That will work you'll just have a fun time trying to get it setup in what ever lcnc setup software your using
12:19 PM sinned6915: when i talked to MESA, they suggested i start with PPT then upgrade with 7i92 later
12:20 PM _unreal_: I have a 7i96
12:20 PM _unreal_: not using currently but it has onboard features to just plug an MPG into it
12:20 PM mrec: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004T7P1
12:20 PM _unreal_: an other option would be to just get a hand held MPG
12:20 PM mrec: does anyone have experience with something like that?
12:21 PM _unreal_: yes
12:21 PM _unreal_: mrec, I have one
12:21 PM sinned6915: if i understood it correclty, the 7i92 would plug into the DB25 directly
12:21 PM mrec: _unreal_: is it worth it? what are you cutting with it?
12:21 PM _unreal_: A..............................! what material do you plan to cut with it
12:21 PM mrec: aluminium, soft steel?
12:21 PM sinned6915: mrec- its called a trepanning tool
12:21 PM _unreal_: mrec, dont bother
12:21 PM _unreal_: they flex
12:22 PM _unreal_: you would be better off with a hole saw or cutter FOR steel
12:22 PM _unreal_: those are for wood, plastic soft stuff
12:22 PM mrec: I need some circles for gears
12:22 PM sinned6915: how big a hole are you wanting to make
12:22 PM mrec: ok
12:22 PM mrec: max 40mm
12:23 PM sinned6915: look for annular cutters
12:23 PM _unreal_: LOL well that jig wont help with 40mm
12:23 PM JT-Cave: a 7i96 is usually the best choice for a small stepper machine
12:23 PM _unreal_: how big is your CNC?
12:23 PM sinned6915: hougen, unibit,
12:23 PM mrec: _unreal_: it's a small one ... 40mm is not big
12:23 PM * JT-Cave notices that it's nap time
12:24 PM sinned6915: JT-Cave: can you help me understand MPG/pendant real quick?
12:24 PM _unreal_: mrec, your right I was reading 400
12:24 PM mrec: it seemed like it would be a good solution for thin circles
12:24 PM mrec: haha 400mm spur gears :D
12:24 PM mrec: with my toy cnc
12:24 PM _unreal_: sinned6915, I would suggest a whb04
12:24 PM mrec: _unreal_: so you wouldn't recommend it for 40mm either?
12:24 PM _unreal_: if your going to put money into adapters and parts and mpg encoders and buttons and TIME
12:25 PM _unreal_: just buy one
12:25 PM _unreal_: mrec, that adapter you posted is NOT for metal
12:25 PM _unreal_: its for soft materials wood plastic etc....
12:25 PM _unreal_: mrec, it will bend, the cutter blade is designed for wood
12:25 PM sinned6915: mrec, _unreal_, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annular_cutter
12:26 PM sinned6915: they are usually 3/4" weldon shank
12:26 PM _unreal_: heh ya prob a bit over priced for mrec needs/desire
12:26 PM mrec: I'd like to cut something like 1mm spur circles for small gears
12:27 PM mrec: spur gears*
12:27 PM _unreal_: mrec, I dont know what you have for a cnc but depending on your setup you "could" do them on your cnc
12:28 PM sinned6915: you dont need CNC for annular cutter.
12:29 PM sinned6915: mrec: all you want is a round blank, right?
12:29 PM mrec: well if I want to make multiple ones the CNC will be useful.
12:29 PM mrec: http://s3.cnccookbook.com/img/Tooling/Trepanning/P1010930.JPG
12:29 PM mrec: that looks good
12:29 PM mrec: and I don't have to fear that it will lift up the 1mm sheet
12:30 PM sinned6915: that will be a nightmare
12:30 PM sinned6915: been therem done that.
12:30 PM mrec: sinned6915: what will be a nightmare?
12:30 PM sinned6915: you are better off using a hole saw
12:30 PM mrec: http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/tooling_plate.htm
12:31 PM mrec: I just came accross this website
12:31 PM mrec: that tooling plate might be handy
12:31 PM mrec: I have an x-table based mill
12:32 PM mrec: I tried cutting acrylic yesterday and yes I have problems clamping it down properly since the table is so small and the plates are way too big for it
12:33 PM mrec: cutting acrylic itself was no problem.
12:33 PM mrec: but that plate might be useful for other things too.
12:33 PM _unreal_: mrec, what kind of a CNC do you have?
12:34 PM mrec: _unreal_: pretty much the same as in the link
12:35 PM mrec: http://de.weissmachinery.com/bench-type-milling-machiune/57296012.html
12:35 PM mrec: https://www.weissmachinery.com/bench-type-milling-machiune/57296012.html (english)
12:36 PM Tom_L: sinned6915, my pendant: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant/pendant2.jpg
12:37 PM sinned6915: Tom_L: thank you, that is what i was thinking
12:37 PM sinned6915: Tom_L: what are you wiring it to? BOB or PPT?
12:38 PM sinned6915: Tom_L => I am trying to figure out how many I/O pins I need
12:38 PM Tom_L: wired to signals on the mesa card
12:38 PM Tom_L: i used a db25 connector
12:39 PM sinned6915: are you using the MESA pendant daughter board?
12:39 PM Tom_L: no
12:39 PM Tom_L: 7i90 - 7i47s
12:40 PM Tom_L: there are probably better choices now
12:40 PM sinned6915: 7I90HD ?
12:40 PM Tom_L: probaby
12:41 PM sinned6915: ok, so the 7i47 is nultichannel I/o
12:41 PM sinned6915: do you reacall how 'full' you are on that board?
12:41 PM Tom_L: full
12:42 PM _unreal_: boy its amazing how fast RPI boots up
12:42 PM sinned6915: what else are you running on it?
12:42 PM Tom_L: also using pins off the 2nd connector on the 7i90
12:42 PM sinned6915: ok
12:42 PM _unreal_: getting my custom cnc conroller re-rigged with RPI
12:42 PM _unreal_: and the protneer
12:43 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
12:43 PM sinned6915: Tom_L: I am triyng to work out if I can do 1 controller and a PCI parallel port card to get more I/O
12:43 PM sinned6915: and just use another BOB
12:43 PM Tom_L: sserial
12:44 PM sinned6915: Tom_L: how do you mean? the 7I47 -> other MESA card?
12:46 PM sinned6915: this is what i was looking at using-
12:46 PM Tom_L: there are other cards probably better suited for your needs
12:46 PM sinned6915: https://lounge.mikkel.cc/uploads/45049f18ccf06928/image.png
12:46 PM Tom_L: why?
12:46 PM Tom_L: gotta run..
12:47 PM sinned6915: to try and keep the daughterboard port on say a 7i96e free
12:48 PM sinned6915: ok, thanks for your time, ttyl
12:54 PM _unreal_: sinned6915, again I say it may be cheaper to just get an MPG rather then try and build
12:54 PM sinned6915: _unreal_ : thank you, i understand and agree with the logic
12:55 PM sinned6915: but its the connection to the machine i am trying to work out, so i can get a count of how many pins i need
12:57 PM sinned6915: like this example from cnc4pc -
12:58 PM sinned6915: https://lounge.mikkel.cc/uploads/ec6bc5fae174dfe1/image.png
12:58 PM sinned6915: that is 6 axis
12:59 PM _unreal_: sinned6915, they use USB
01:00 PM _unreal_: do you have any MPG hardware yet or are you just trying to SOLVE
01:00 PM sinned6915: SOLVE
01:00 PM sinned6915: i am reading this
01:00 PM sinned6915: https://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/examples/mpg.html
01:00 PM _unreal_: so you dont have any hardware
01:01 PM sinned6915: not MPG yet, no
01:03 PM _unreal_: so as I said, I would look at both directions
01:03 PM sinned6915: i already said i am trying to work out the solution to determine how many I/O ports I am going to need.
01:04 PM sinned6915: storebought or homebuilt is going to be the same result
01:04 PM _unreal_: you dont need any io pins dpending on your mpg
01:04 PM _unreal_: no
01:04 PM _unreal_: the purchased one's are USB
01:04 PM _unreal_: unless they are designed to be hard wired
01:04 PM _unreal_: and those are kind of getting scarce
01:04 PM sinned6915: respectfully, i dont see ANYTHING in the docs as to USB MPG's
01:05 PM _unreal_: just an example
01:05 PM _unreal_: https://www.ebay.com/i/402588081518?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=402588081518&targetid=1068323861750&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012053&poi=&campaignid=10460106906&mkgroupid=106723176227&rlsatarget=pla-1068323861750&abcId=2146001&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAiA25v_BRBNEiwAZb4-ZVDBOFb-adsbFmleROZzRh24poK8uuUGuyYYV1vieug8RqDXCKo7XRoCProQAvD_BwE
01:06 PM sinned6915: i dont want wireless
01:06 PM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EtUzx7bus
01:06 PM _unreal_: they make them wired and wireless
01:06 PM sinned6915: i run rotatry phase converter in the shop for other tools.
01:06 PM sinned6915: i dont want to risk noise issues
01:06 PM _unreal_: noise?
01:07 PM sinned6915: elecrtical RF issues
01:07 PM _unreal_: oh wireless
01:07 PM _unreal_: so look at a USB
01:07 PM _unreal_: hard wire
01:07 PM sinned6915: look, i hope i am not coming across being diffucult
01:07 PM _unreal_: again cheaper to just get onbe of those hard wire then designing building
01:07 PM _unreal_: but each to there own
01:08 PM sinned6915: i agree, but i am trying to find out how they connect to the LCNC
01:08 PM _unreal_: any way you want
01:09 PM _unreal_: really
01:09 PM sinned6915: from what i am concluding on the MESA stuff is that the daughterboard connections are valuable resources and limited
01:09 PM _unreal_: depends on which mesa your using
01:09 PM _unreal_: and how much expansion you need
01:09 PM sinned6915: whic is why i am trying to plan this out to get the right one
01:10 PM _unreal_: and you can re-assign most I/O's to do what ever you want
01:10 PM sinned6915: right, so how many I/O pins to figure for the pendants?
01:11 PM sinned6915: b/c the tradeoff is using MESA's pendant card in one of the slots
01:11 PM _unreal_: MPG is typically 2 A B plus power and ground
01:11 PM _unreal_: then how ever many buttons switches you use
01:11 PM sinned6915: and then n+1 for the switches
01:12 PM _unreal_: OR if you use a single input reading resistors with set stop values for a rotory switch
01:12 PM _unreal_: right...
01:12 PM sinned6915: so you can burnup 10 pins EASY
01:12 PM _unreal_: hence I suggest the plug n play. cheaper and uses ZERO pins
01:12 PM _unreal_: and less headache
01:12 PM sinned6915: can you point me to where in the docs i need to look?
01:12 PM _unreal_: I JUST DID
01:13 PM _unreal_: and you gave me the exuse me dont want to come off the wrong way but blaaa blaa blaa
01:13 PM sinned6915: ithe Czek youtube>
01:13 PM sinned6915: ?
01:13 PM _unreal_: just an example
01:14 PM _unreal_: linuxcnc.org forums is full of howtos and pre-setup code
01:14 PM _unreal_: for using the USB hardware and wireless pendends
01:14 PM _unreal_: its for the most part all the same code
01:14 PM _unreal_: not to mention you have what 22+ macro's you can setup
01:15 PM _unreal_: plus all the axis controlls depending on the choise
01:15 PM _unreal_: I have the 6 axis controller only 3 axis working right now
01:15 PM _unreal_: as far as the machine goes
01:15 PM _unreal_: I have a 7i96
01:15 PM _unreal_: and I'm using zero i/o for the pendent
01:16 PM _unreal_: because I'm using the pendent I picked up
01:16 PM _unreal_: SWEET my power button works
01:17 PM sinned6915: the stuff i find on the fourms searching for MPG so far are proprietary hardware or I/O based
01:18 PM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exeKPDAIzkc
01:18 PM _unreal_: I had to put CC on and translate to english
01:18 PM _unreal_: that would be a simple video walk though
01:19 PM sinned6915: ok, i will work on that some more
01:19 PM _unreal_: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/39434-getting-a-whb04b-4-working
01:19 PM _unreal_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/xhc-whb04b-6.1.html
01:20 PM sinned6915: what search term did you use?
01:20 PM _unreal_: direct support from lcnc
01:20 PM _unreal_: the pendent
01:20 PM _unreal_: whb
01:20 PM _unreal_: whb04XXXXX XXX=version
01:20 PM sinned6915: i have been trying with 'MPG" and "MPG USB" and the results are discouraging
01:20 PM _unreal_: xhc controllers are VERY nice
01:21 PM _unreal_: and they use the same MPG encoder as just the stand alone mpg's
01:21 PM sinned6915: like this, at the end, "It will _partially_ work with LinuxCNC. The pulse-wheel part would be easy to interface.
01:21 PM sinned6915: The rest of it would need a custom driver. Not impossible, but certainly a project."
01:21 PM sinned6915: https://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuration/33778-manual-handwheel-controllerhttps://www.forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuration/33778-manual-handwheel-controller
01:21 PM _unreal_: I have all inputs working just fine
01:21 PM sinned6915: i will try whb
01:21 PM _unreal_: its more or less drag/drop
01:21 PM _unreal_: if you check out the info
01:22 PM _unreal_: bit of config setup though for custom conrols
01:22 PM _unreal_: and what encoder rates you want etc....
01:22 PM _unreal_: but thats on pre-configured setups. if you create your own MPG setup your going to be doing even more of it DIY
01:22 PM sinned6915: i mean, if andy says its going to be work, and he's one of the dev;s, i am like 'way over my pay grade'
01:22 PM _unreal_: and its ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL a pain in the ass
01:23 PM _unreal_: ANY of the mpg setups are a heap of effort to setup
01:23 PM _unreal_: TRUST me on that. non of them are PLUG IT IN and it just works
01:23 PM sinned6915: so is there an arduino stuffed inside that thing?
01:23 PM _unreal_: I have no idea...
01:24 PM _unreal_: not about to take mine apart.
01:24 PM sinned6915: i assume nothing is PNP
01:25 PM _unreal_: hence my large new cnc I'm building i'm using a planetcnc controller setup
01:25 PM _unreal_: when it arrives
01:26 PM _unreal_: currently have a 7i96 running.
01:26 PM _unreal_: took months to get setup and working.
01:28 PM _unreal_: FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY I'm connected to this protoneer controller
01:28 PM _unreal_: FINALLY
01:30 PM _unreal_: I built a custom shell to house a display, RPI, and RPI hat grbl stepper motor controller
01:30 PM _unreal_: so happy
01:37 PM t4nk_freenode: so ehhh
01:37 PM t4nk_freenode: ?
01:38 PM t4nk_freenode: can I take down in my diary: Sailing home free for _unreal_ from here on in; no more problems
01:38 PM t4nk_freenode: ?
01:41 PM _unreal_: oh god no
01:44 PM t4nk_freenode: I'm too lazy to start a new project myself
01:45 PM t4nk_freenode: thought about testing one of those nema17's I got
01:45 PM t4nk_freenode: could actually start a little cnc too
01:46 PM t4nk_freenode: but I don't want to build a big one at the moment
01:48 PM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, as I said if your interested I can always CUT the basic frame parts out if your looking to build something small
01:48 PM _unreal_: or you can always go with extrusion
01:48 PM t4nk_freenode: though I'd like to have an automated dremel
01:48 PM t4nk_freenode: no
01:48 PM t4nk_freenode: no extrusion
01:48 PM _unreal_: though personally I'd just buy a dirt cheap one
01:48 PM _unreal_: I have plans somehwere for a mini desktop solid aluminum build
01:49 PM _unreal_: its like a micro sized 6040
01:49 PM _unreal_: work area like 6x8"
01:49 PM t4nk_freenode: a complete machine you mean? nah, that's not my thing
01:49 PM _unreal_: or less
01:49 PM t4nk_freenode: I got some mdf, and some tubing, threaded rod.. I can 3d print some stuff
01:50 PM t4nk_freenode: got some of that ehhh how do you call it.. ribbon belts
01:50 PM _unreal_: ohhh oh t4nk_freenode sorry was thinking you where someone else NOT even the same country LOL
01:50 PM _unreal_: for a second
01:50 PM _unreal_: only half paying attention
01:51 PM _unreal_: I was thinking you where flyback
01:51 PM t4nk_freenode: how uncharactaristic of you to be paying only a sliver of attention!
01:52 PM t4nk_freenode: I got a bunch of linear bearings printed too
01:52 PM _unreal_: printed?
01:52 PM t4nk_freenode: yea
01:52 PM t4nk_freenode: h
01:52 PM _unreal_: o,O
01:53 PM t4nk_freenode: they're great ;)
01:53 PM _unreal_: better to use HDPE or cutting boards cut them up stick them together end on end. and TAP
01:53 PM _unreal_: IMO
01:53 PM _unreal_: stupid DURABLE
01:54 PM _unreal_: currently I'm updating this https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
01:54 PM _unreal_: I ripped out the tinkerboard and got the RPI setup. and now have the protoneer board setup
01:54 PM t4nk_freenode: ? I don't see that really working.. if I print a linear bearing.. it has some pretty nifty fit along my tubing
01:54 PM _unreal_: next I need to find that stupid par port I wired up
01:55 PM _unreal_: then I just have a simple PAR port header for breaking out to what ever
01:55 PM _unreal_: I could use it as a GRBL laser driver, cnc machine, printer what ever.
01:56 PM _unreal_: printing does have some advantages
01:56 PM _unreal_: I dont have any photos setup right now but if I did I could show you my nuts
01:57 PM _unreal_: >:)
01:57 PM t4nk_freenode: yeah, thank you, but no thanks ;)
01:57 PM _unreal_: your 3d printer must be GRBL
01:59 PM t4nk_freenode: huh?
01:59 PM _unreal_: your 3d printer
02:00 PM t4nk_freenode: one I would make you mean?
02:00 PM _unreal_: which 3d printer do you have?
02:00 PM t4nk_freenode: ender
02:01 PM t4nk_freenode: but I'll be making my own stuff to control my new contraption
02:01 PM t4nk_freenode: I made a basis when I made the little dvd plotter
02:02 PM t4nk_freenode: thinking of revisiting that dvd thing btw, print a frame for it
02:02 PM t4nk_freenode: I tell you.. those dvd steppers were strong enough to let me drill and mill
02:06 PM _unreal_: ya so ender is grbl
02:07 PM t4nk_freenode: ? I don't think so.. what's the other one
02:07 PM _unreal_: the ender controllers are GRBL.
02:07 PM _unreal_: but you have the choice of popping an SD card in with DESIGN files
02:08 PM _unreal_: infact most all 3d printers are grbl based from the looks of it
02:10 PM t4nk_freenode: where did you find that?
02:10 PM t4nk_freenode: I haven't done anything to my printer yet, haven't looked at the firmware apart from using it
02:10 PM t4nk_freenode: but I think it's rubbish
02:11 PM t4nk_freenode: I got some better components to build a new main board ;)
02:11 PM _unreal_: OMG.... this rpi is slow
02:12 PM _unreal_: doing updates
02:12 PM t4nk_freenode: but bleh, not interested in building another printer, or even modifying my ender yet
02:12 PM _unreal_: I dont know if its slow because of the CPU or slow because of the SD card
02:12 PM t4nk_freenode: it's slow, because just like me it hasn't had enough coffee yet.
02:12 PM _unreal_: up dating linux regardless
02:13 PM _unreal_: took for ever to get the serial interface working but now its connected to the protoneer motion control board
02:13 PM t4nk_freenode: yes, without regard for anything :b
02:13 PM _unreal_: and as I said once I get that par port header wired up. I can then use that as a nice break out to drive what ever
02:14 PM t4nk_freenode: I'M GONNA PEE NOW, I'LL BE RIGHT BACK, DON'T MOVE!
02:14 PM _unreal_: I'm going to get a BEER now considering its 3pm
02:14 PM _unreal_: that way I can load up some PEE
02:32 PM t4nk_freenode: anyhow, _unreal_ ... I don't know how you got to the fact that my ender ships with grbl
02:32 PM t4nk_freenode: it would be marlin I think
02:39 PM _unreal_: the heart of the ender printers is GRBL ctrl
02:39 PM _unreal_: they use an atmel controller
02:39 PM _unreal_: :)
02:40 PM t4nk_freenode: got a link?
02:41 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-V1-1-4-Controller-Original-Replacement/dp/B07VBP4ZGX
02:42 PM t4nk_freenode: where in that page is there mention of GRBL?
02:45 PM t4nk_freenode: nehow, my ender came with marlin ;)
02:47 PM fogl81: hello
02:47 PM fogl81: i am looking for example of c userspace hal module
02:48 PM fogl81: is there such example i could use for starting point
02:48 PM _unreal_: its still based on grbl LOL
02:48 PM _unreal_: so yes marlin
02:50 PM t4nk_freenode: so, no, Berin,
02:51 PM * t4nk_freenode slaps _unreal_'s hands with a ruler
02:54 PM Tom_L: fogl81, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html
02:54 PM Tom_L: possibly https://forum.linuxcnc.org/24-hal-components/27879-c-c-user-space-hal-component-compilation
03:07 PM fogl81: @Tom_L, thank you, i noticed that on forum, but it is not complitely clear to me - am i supposu to load userspace hal modules the same way as python modules: loadusr module
03:12 PM JT-Shop: fogl81, look in the repo for user space components
03:13 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/tree/master/src/hal/user_comps
03:13 PM roycroft: huzzah!
03:13 PM roycroft: my gitlabe repository is completely migrated
03:13 PM roycroft: now i can get back to doing real, useful work
03:17 PM fogl81: JT-Show, thank you for that link. Can you please comment on should i load userspace component with "loadusr module", same as hal modules?
03:18 PM fogl81: i am actually looking for some alternative for open() function i use in realtime component, but it hangs on that line. Do you have an idea why?
03:19 PM Tom_L: fogl81, afik i think that's how it's done
03:19 PM fogl81: i am trying to read from fifo file
03:34 PM JT-Shop: sorry that's above my pay grade... I just know where the comps are
03:40 PM fogl81: ok :) thank you ... actually i noticed there exist a rtapi_open_as_root() function. I assumed because there is some problem with classical open(), but when i use it i get implicit declaration warning, even though i have the rtapi.h included.
03:41 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/delta-planer/chip-chute-10.jpg
03:41 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/wood-working/delta-planer/chip-chute-11.jpg
03:42 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, ^^
03:59 PM _unreal_: arg....
03:59 PM _unreal_: SHE ALWAYS needs something
03:59 PM _unreal_: old people can be a pain
04:02 PM JT-Shop: wow my planer parts departed springfield il today... I might just get them by Monday
04:20 PM roycroft: the boards for my bookcase are down to 10.8% moisture
04:20 PM roycroft: i hope they're not drying too quickly
04:49 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, https://www.lumberjocks.com/shipwright/blog/31845
04:50 PM JT-Shop: I still only have one 2x12x12 #1 syp...
04:57 PM Tom_L: holy crap! that's blue!!
04:57 PM JT-Shop: I like blue...
04:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Paint/Paint3.jpg
04:58 PM Tom_L: close....
04:58 PM Tom_L: :D
04:58 PM Tom_L: i'll send it over for powdercoat :)
04:59 PM Tom_L: i like it
05:04 PM JT-Shop: it's gotta fit in the kiln...
05:04 PM Tom_L: kitchen oven?
05:04 PM JT-Shop: pottery kiln
05:04 PM Tom_L: ahh
05:05 PM Tom_L: couple pieces might be close
05:05 PM Tom_L: that must be a fairly standard blue
05:05 PM JT-Shop: max is about 18x24 in the kiln
05:05 PM JT-Shop: mine is super mirror blue powder
05:06 PM Tom_L: mine is off a walmart shelf
05:06 PM Tom_L: i think
05:06 PM Tom_L: maybe homedepot
05:08 PM Tom_L: sail blue maybe? https://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Stops-Rust-1-qt-Protective-Enamel-Gloss-Sail-Blue-Interior-Exterior-Paint-2-Pack-7724502/205082559
06:09 PM _unreal_: arg... I need to build this
06:09 PM _unreal_: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUHH4uJql2Uc&psig=AOvVaw0Dj9ZyIgExjK6_gsF32J5t&ust=1608247677999000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjhxqFwoTCMCL1NXT0-0CFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ
07:02 PM t4nk_freenode: ah! ... so you need to purchase.. (that is store-bought).. some kind of...
07:02 PM t4nk_freenode: driver board?
07:02 PM t4nk_freenode: :))
07:07 PM infornography: Who needs a driver board? What did I miss?
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: infornography: you didn't miss anything exciting
07:19 PM _unreal_: that which I linked is just a PWM to voltage conversion adapter for driving spindles that are 0-10v. when you have a PWM output
07:22 PM infornography: Oh, it's for a spindle, nevermind then
07:26 PM flyback: Tom_L, rustolum spray rust primer converter is really good
07:26 PM flyback: totally different from the brush on one
07:26 PM flyback: so much in fact I used it in doors on the furnace cold air return plenium
07:27 PM flyback: made me sick for 3 weeks but was worth it
07:27 PM flyback: but that's just a primer you need to paint it for outdoors
08:13 PM _unreal_: FACKKK its cold
08:13 PM _unreal_: nothing makes heat any more ether
08:13 PM _unreal_: non of my computers make much of any heat
08:13 PM _unreal_: sigh
08:14 PM _unreal_: wheres my AMD athlon space heater when I need it
08:14 PM _unreal_: good lord
08:14 PM _unreal_: blaaaa 54F OUT SIDE
08:15 PM Tom_L: can't be cold! you're in Fl
08:15 PM roycroft: it's going to get down to freezing here tonight
08:15 PM roycroft: so don't complain about 12 degrees
08:15 PM Tom_L: 47 here right now
08:16 PM CaptHindsight: 27F, pansys
08:16 PM roycroft: we may get down to -2 tomorrow night
08:16 PM roycroft: and i'm not complaining
08:16 PM roycroft: just comparing
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: we have had it really mild until xmas
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: was down to 5F at night
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: no snow yet that stuck
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: so to even things out I expect 4ft of snow and -13F all February
08:18 PM _unreal_: its cold becasue this house has no heat
08:18 PM _unreal_: no way to heat it
08:18 PM roycroft: it's the christmas season
08:18 PM roycroft: you can put on an ugly sweater and nobody will think twice about it
08:19 PM _unreal_: I have an ugly sweat shirt on
08:19 PM _unreal_: and I'm still BURRR
08:19 PM _unreal_: I do have shorts on as well hehe.
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: didn't they use their ovens for heating in the old days?
08:19 PM _unreal_: that and I dont have any sweat pants :(
08:19 PM roycroft: no, they used the firepit for cooking in the old days
08:19 PM _unreal_: I just DONT have winter shit any more
08:19 PM _unreal_: I have an amazing FIRE PIT, but I dont have any wood :(
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: can't they just burn stuff on their front lawn for heat?
08:20 PM _unreal_: out side anyways
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: most lawns were covered in old stuff anyway
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: maybe that was just in the pan handle
08:21 PM _unreal_: faaaaaack its cold
08:21 PM _unreal_: hay look a rasberry pi hand wormer
08:21 PM roycroft: what i remember about being in florida is that both times i was there they were having a heat wave and the locals were complaining about the heat
08:21 PM roycroft: it rained every day around 3pm, and the rain was hot
08:21 PM roycroft: not warm, but hot
08:21 PM roycroft: i got sick from the food twice
08:21 PM _unreal_: roycroft, you where in FL in the middle of summer then
08:22 PM roycroft: and every house has a coke or pepsi machine on the front porch
08:22 PM roycroft: yes, both times it was in august
08:22 PM _unreal_: this past summer was just endless rain
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: i think they award them upon state citizenship
08:22 PM _unreal_: where the fuck is mine then
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: soda machine or broken washer drier
08:23 PM roycroft: you complain too much, even for florida
08:23 PM roycroft: you're complaining right now, in fact
08:23 PM _unreal_: maybe
08:23 PM _unreal_: you know I'm looking my custom RPI build and I'm thinking I should do a youtube video
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: it's his god given right to whine
08:24 PM _unreal_: you have to admit the shell design is nice
08:24 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVCs4T7uCg handy tip
10:01 PM flyback- is now known as flyback
10:26 PM _unreal_: so tomorrow I'm going to tear appart my home cnc a bit so I can get the rotory axis going. its plugged in etc but the current is set to near zero
10:26 PM _unreal_: not that I can do much with it though. I need some kind of a chuck for it :S