Dec 21 2020
12:39 AM sinned6915: roycroft: ive been looking into raspi/lcnc more
12:46 AM sinned6915: its tempting
12:47 AM sorki is now known as srk
01:18 AM Deejay: moin
01:27 AM Loetmichel: *MAAAN* One cant let them guys work for ONE day alone... just came into the company, tried to clean my glasses: blood on the paper towel roll under the first aid box... i am curious who will not appear today for work... :(
01:28 AM sensille: someone has to cut himself when you're not there
01:29 AM sensille: they just do what you do
01:29 AM Loetmichel: seems that way
05:42 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:43 AM XXCoder: yo
05:54 AM Tom_L: morning
05:54 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, did you get your arm deb to work?
06:05 AM JT-Cave: not yet
06:07 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2020-12-20.html
06:07 AM Tom_L: start at 9:15P
06:08 AM Tom_L: i had to unplug the ethernet card though for some odd reason
06:08 AM Tom_L: mesa
06:10 AM JT-Cave: did you use gdebi to install linuxcnc on the rpi?
06:11 AM Tom_L: dpkg -i
06:11 AM Tom_L: but then i did it off the site
06:11 AM Tom_L: once i figured out the link
06:14 AM Tom_L: on this repo, i had to add a static ip to the /etc/dhcpcd.config file directly
06:14 AM Tom_L: for the mesa card
06:14 AM Tom_L: the 'pre' one i didn't have to
06:31 AM JT-Cave: that was rather painless to use sudo apt --fix-broken install after installing
06:36 AM Tom_L: heh
06:36 AM Tom_L: oh, your pi name change page didn't work on this repo either
06:36 AM Tom_L: when i logged in as root, all my menus went away
06:37 AM Tom_L: only option was to log out as root and use pi
06:37 AM Tom_L: that was an odd one
06:37 AM JT-Cave: login as root?
06:37 AM JT-Cave: that's not in my instructions
06:38 AM JT-Cave: your using the linuxcnc rpi image?
06:38 AM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/rpi4-ext.html
06:39 AM JT-Cave: hmm forgot about that page
06:39 AM Tom_L: i thought you updated it, i couldn't find the other one
06:39 AM JT-Cave: https://jethornton.github.io/rpi/install-10L.html#setup-the-user
06:40 AM Tom_L: i thought i took notes but couldn't find em
06:40 AM Tom_L: i'll try again later
06:42 AM Tom_L: also on the 2.8.0 pre version i could change the eth0 ip from the gui but not now
06:42 AM Tom_L: it changes but doesn't work
06:42 AM Tom_L: until you edit the file
06:43 AM JT-Cave: weird
06:43 AM Tom_L: it doesn't add the static routers
06:43 AM JT-Cave: https://jethornton.github.io/rpi/install-10L.html#static-ip-address
06:43 AM Tom_L: yeah, i got it working
06:44 AM JT-Cave: man I really hate that freeking axis nag popup do you really want to quit?
06:44 AM JT-Cave: wtf do you think I want to do
06:44 AM Tom_L: :)
06:45 AM Tom_L: another thing i found i mentioned in the devel channel about motion.spindle
06:45 AM Tom_L: going from 2.7 to 2.8 config files
06:45 AM JT-Cave: I saw something about that on the forum too I think
06:46 AM JT-Cave: seems it's just spindle now
06:47 AM Tom_L: yep, pcw said that interferred with the spindle comp too
06:48 AM JT-Cave: wonder who changed that?
06:48 AM Tom_L: not sure
06:49 AM Tom_L: axis/joint had a similar issue but i think the updater works ok on it now
06:49 AM Tom_L: the box of bandaids is getting empty
06:51 AM Tom_L: that deb i added also worked on wheezy but there wasn't anything to update to
06:51 AM JT-Cave: for some reason my long gone MIL had a dozen or more boxes of bandaids all over the place
06:51 AM Tom_L: it might have gone from 2.7.14 to 2.7.15 ...
06:52 AM Tom_L: but not 2.8
07:12 AM sinned6915: anyone have good sources for things like modular switches, chassis connectors and cable?
07:13 AM sinned6915: or sources that are partial/supportive of LCNC?
09:19 AM unterhaus: sinned6915 what specifically are you looking for?
10:05 AM unterhaus: who decided that every website should use light gray text on a white background and can we get them to change their mind?
10:06 AM Loetmichel: *giggle* I just saw a nice Picup on the Autobahn... wanted to ask which car has a "Widder" on the tailgate... then i google what a Widder is in english... Question solved! :) (Dodge RAM)
10:25 AM unterhaus: I'm going to start billing this one guy per email
10:27 AM unterhaus: he wants to build a machine and is worried about a $44 sensor vs a $2 sensor that won't work
11:04 AM skunkworks: are you sure the $2 dollar sensor won't work? Are you?
11:11 AM gloops: id go for the $2 sensor lol
11:31 AM unterhaus: yeah, this was not pitched as a b.s. hobby project
11:31 AM unterhaus: every time he does this I resolve not to do any work on it
11:34 AM unterhaus: now he's arguing with me. Should I tell him every email exchange costs $50 or not
11:36 AM JT-Shop: yeah the light web sites suck
11:39 AM unterhaus: I like it when it's an old person-oriented website that old people can't read
11:39 AM unterhaus: had one of those the other day
11:40 AM unterhaus: the high contrast plugin doesn't work on them either
12:12 PM unterhaus: the dust collection on my tablesaw is going to drive me nuts. One end falls off then the other end
12:13 PM unterhaus: I suppose I should take a couple of hours and do a better job
12:13 PM gregcnc: eventually all my 1/2" holders will be cut down to 12mm.....
12:14 PM unterhaus: lathe?
12:14 PM gregcnc: yes
12:14 PM unterhaus: The Chinese started making oversize BXA tool holders so I don't have to cut anything down any more
12:15 PM unterhaus: supply of 5/8 holders is much better than 1/2"
12:15 PM gregcnc: these are VDI
12:31 PM unterhaus: what kind of machine? Looks expensive
12:32 PM unterhaus: I used to buy random lots of tooling on ebay if it was cheap and looked like it might include something useful
12:33 PM unterhaus: I ended up with a lot of weird tooling
12:33 PM unterhaus: VDI looks pretty normal in comparison
12:37 PM unterhaus: I just got an email about the design where he ignored all of my input. Sending it to the machinist, any major problems?
12:37 PM unterhaus: I don't think it will work as designed, is that considered a major problem?
12:43 PM * JT-Shop has the grandkids flying a quad around
01:48 PM Tom_L: unterhaus, i'd like to see you try to collect $50/email :)
02:23 PM unterhaus: people collect per email, especially if the client is wasting their time
02:24 PM unterhaus: I was thinking about telling him that he can consider each email exchange a $50 contribution from me to his project
02:24 PM unterhaus: I really would rather not fire him, he's 85.
03:57 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
04:35 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i ran those directions from github and have no gui now
04:39 PM Tom_L: i think i see what i did wrong :)
04:40 PM Tom_L: autologin console instead of gui :)
04:40 PM Tom_L: i need stronger glasses
04:47 PM JT-Shop: yea that will do it for sure
04:48 PM * JT-Shop just got some good FPV flights in before dark... I'm almost in control lol
04:48 PM Tom_L: cool
04:51 PM Tom_L: after the update i'm running lcnc 2.8.13-ga22256354
04:51 PM Tom_L: what's the ga stand for?
04:51 PM Tom_L: i saw that in the buildbot repo
04:54 PM Tom_L: also you were asking about axis gui termination on close:
04:54 PM Tom_itx: https://sourceforge.net/p/emc/mailman/message/33257836/
04:56 PM Tom_L: hmm maybe that doesn't solve the issue entirely
04:57 PM Tom_L: ahh, that was added as a safety. if you FILE -> CLOSE you don't get that dialog
04:58 PM Tom_L: that was put in place so you don't hit the X accidentally
04:59 PM JT-Shop: that's buildbot gibberish
05:00 PM Tom_L: i don't think i ever go thru the menu to exit
05:00 PM Tom_L: i always hit the X
05:00 PM JT-Shop: should have been an option not forced down your throat
05:00 PM JT-Shop: really pissed me off when they did that
05:01 PM Tom_L: i suppose that you'd have to recompile it to fix that
05:01 PM JT-Shop: it just needs to be fixed as an ini option
05:01 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:02 PM Tom_L: not a bad idea
05:02 PM Tom_L: do you know what that suffix is on the end of the version?
05:02 PM Tom_L: oh, is that what you're calling gibberish?
05:04 PM Tom_L: i forgot the clock format string i was using too
05:04 PM t4nk_freenode: https://postimg.cc/gallery/9wKqFjj ... so finally, my psu's :)
05:10 PM JT-Shop: yea it's just a buildbot gibberish something to do when it was built or something like tha
05:10 PM JT-Shop: t
05:10 PM Tom_L: so at least the update path works
05:10 PM JT-Shop: cool
05:18 PM Tom_L: too bad wheezy can't run 2.8, but then again it's working fine so meh
05:19 PM Tom_L: i should say, my setup of wheezy
05:27 PM JT-Cave: damn long day here and it ain't over yet... still have to cook
05:29 PM roycroft: that's the fun part of the day for me
05:29 PM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/recipes/chicken/dkgangjeong.html
05:29 PM JT-Cave: I cooked that yesterday, always a big hit
05:30 PM JT-Cave: lot's of work lot's of mess but worth it
05:33 PM Tom_L: grandkids staying over?
05:36 PM JT-Cave: they go back to Tx tomorrow
05:46 PM andypugh: Tom_L: What problem does your Wheezy have with 2.8?
06:03 PM Tom_L: the RTAI version
06:04 PM Tom_L: preempt-rt has poor latency on the D525 as well
06:05 PM Tom_L: i did make a backup ssd to try things...
06:11 PM Tom_L: i'll boot and have another look now that the rpi is set up
06:24 PM Tom_shop: andypugh, http://paste.debian.net/1177895
06:25 PM Tom_shop: current version i have is 2.7.15
06:25 PM Tom_shop: building from source i get RTAI outdated or not recognized or some such message
06:26 PM Tom_shop: Linux wheezy 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-4linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
06:38 PM andypugh: Tom_L: The builbot builds Wheezy debs. You shouldn’t need to compile.
06:40 PM Tom_L: it doesn't update to 2.8 though
06:40 PM Tom_L: i tried the compile after the update didn't take
06:41 PM andypugh: You need to change source.list to point at deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy 2.8-rt
06:41 PM Tom_L: it is
06:41 PM andypugh: Hmm, how about deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/ wheezy 2.8-rt
06:42 PM Tom_L: one sec and i'll add and try that one
06:43 PM andypugh: Tom_shop: Should be http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/getting-started/updating-linuxcnc.html
06:43 PM andypugh: deb http://linuxcnc.org wheezy base 2.8-rt
06:44 PM Tom_shop: deb http://linuxcnc.org wheezy base 2.8-rt
06:44 PM Tom_shop: deb-src http://linuxcnc.org wheezy base 2.8-rt
06:44 PM Tom_shop: added those
06:46 PM andypugh: what does apt list -a linuxcnc
06:46 PM andypugh: say
06:48 PM Tom_shop: command not found :)
06:48 PM Tom_shop: http://paste.debian.net/1177896
06:48 PM Tom_shop: with the sources.list changes
06:49 PM andypugh: 2.8-rt is there
06:49 PM Tom_shop: so when i run lcnc it still shows 2.7.15
06:50 PM andypugh: Yes, you still need to upgrade
06:51 PM andypugh: try sudo apt-get install linuxcnc
06:51 PM andypugh: (there might be a better-suited command)
06:52 PM Tom_shop: looks like that might be workign
06:52 PM Tom_shop: 2.8.1
06:52 PM Tom_shop: yay!
06:52 PM Tom_shop: did you see the note i mentioned in devel about motion.spindle ?
06:53 PM andypugh: Phew! Time to sleep :-)
06:54 PM Tom_L: the buildbot page may need to be updated for that deb link
07:01 PM Tom_L: not sure why it wouldn't use the builbot link like the rest
07:27 PM Tom_L: ok fired up 2.8.1 on the mill and everything looks good so far
07:27 PM Tom_L: wheezy
08:38 PM Tom_L: ok wheezy and rpi4 configs updated and wheezy is up to 184.108.40.206 on the mill
08:38 PM Tom_L: seems ok so far
08:39 PM XXCoder: whats latency like
08:40 PM XXCoder: probably dont matter all that much due to needing MESA
08:40 PM Tom_L: i didn't check it tonight, it's a bit chilly out there
08:40 PM Tom_L: os didn't change
08:42 PM Tom_L: most of the version update issues were my fault
08:42 PM Tom_L: the configs require some edits
09:54 PM norias: hi
09:56 PM Tom_L: hi
09:57 PM norias: how are you?
09:57 PM Tom_L: good
09:58 PM norias: quiet in here, tonight
09:58 PM norias: eh?
09:58 PM Tom_L: yeah, i've been doing updates
09:59 PM norias: ahh
09:59 PM Tom_L: finally brought my mill up to 220.127.116.11
10:01 PM norias: yeah?
10:02 PM norias: what are the advantages?
10:02 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/2020/09/08/LinuxCNC-2.8.0/
10:02 PM Tom_L: quite a bucket list
10:03 PM norias: does anyone run a linuxcnc in a vm as a simulator?
10:03 PM Tom_L: not that i will use it all
10:03 PM Tom_L: i dunno
10:04 PM norias: i dig the fanuc style subroutines
10:06 PM XXCoder: 1000 tools. thats enough to run a61 heh
10:10 PM norias: 1000 tools is a good start
10:10 PM norias: i remember not being excited about the file format the tool information is stored in