Nov 10 2020
01:10 AM Loetmichel: mornin'
01:43 AM Loetmichel: maaan, old people need less sleep is a lie... needed a crowbar to lever myself out of bed today. *yaaawn*
01:45 AM XXCoder: 30 min to wake up. man
02:00 AM Deejay: moin
02:16 AM CaptHindsight: I get far less than my younger days of 12 hours
02:18 AM CaptHindsight: if you have kids you learn how little sleep you can actually get by on
02:22 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: lets just say that 1.5h is a bit on the "weary" side ;)
02:23 AM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: yeah you deserve another 5-6 hours
02:23 AM CaptHindsight: leave early, tell the boss i said it's OK
02:24 AM Loetmichel: hehe
04:50 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:51 AM XXCoder: yo
05:10 AM miss0r: 'ello
05:10 AM XXCoder: hey been a bit
05:10 AM miss0r: I've been around. Just not having the time to type in here
05:10 AM miss0r: :]
05:11 AM miss0r: also, I've been spending less and less time being idle in front of this pc, since I quit smoking
05:11 AM miss0r: Have I missed anything interresting?
05:11 AM XXCoder: thats good
05:11 AM XXCoder: not really
05:11 AM XXCoder: some cool stuff from andy and tom
05:12 AM miss0r: oh?
05:12 AM XXCoder: depending on when you lurked, jt also
05:12 AM XXCoder: tom worked on mill some, andy on that very complex setup
05:12 AM miss0r: cool
05:12 AM XXCoder: jt on stoke machine and wheat growing
05:12 AM miss0r: I think I will have to do some scrolling later today
05:13 AM XXCoder: my client has 500 line limit
05:13 AM miss0r: I'm almost complete rebuilding my new-to-me cnc lathe
05:13 AM miss0r: I dont have a limit set
05:13 AM XXCoder: hmm andy i dont think he posted video here it was from yt sub
05:13 AM miss0r: when it reaches 50k lines, it just starts to spill over into a log file
05:16 AM XXCoder: cool
05:51 AM Tom_L: morning
05:51 AM XXCoder: yo
06:02 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:06 AM Tom_L: 40F hi 50
06:06 AM JT-Cave: we get similar tomorrow
06:07 AM Tom_L: oh.. and rain :)
06:15 AM JT-Cave: yea we get the rain this evening, I hope I can finish getting the leaves off the new grass before the rain
06:18 AM Tom_L: i tried but they just keep coming
06:18 AM Tom_L: one tree finishes then the next one starts
06:23 AM JT-Cave: yea cleaned out the gutters Saturday and by Sunday they were full again
06:24 AM XXCoder: that reminds me, we need to clean ours here
06:24 AM XXCoder: its not too bad but should check em in least once lol
07:02 AM jymmmm: Morning
07:03 AM jymmmm: I cleaned mine last month, they are 6" deep, but first time ever that they were actually completely dry
07:06 AM jymmmm: But were SOLIDLY packed with 8" pine needles. Had to use a 6ft pipe to crush/mulch the needles, then a leaf blower, took a few hours to get them all.
07:08 AM XXCoder: lol pine needles yeah. they tend to clear well, but if theres something, then it packs well
07:08 AM XXCoder: far more dense than leaves
07:45 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/house/leaves.jpg
08:35 AM TekniQue: JT-Cave: Package arrived today!
08:36 AM Loetmichel: MAN now i am pissed. DHL delivery boy just was at home (wife called) broght a Raspi4 notebook directly from china... "42.16€ import tax and fees please"... "No i dont have change. No i dont have a card terminal. I will write 'delivery refused' on it and send it back!" *ASSHOLE*!
08:42 AM gregcnc: just doing his job
08:43 AM Loetmichel: nope
08:43 AM Loetmichel: his job is to bring it to the next post office when you cant pay or are not at home
08:44 AM Loetmichel: i suppose he was in spite that my wife didnt give him a 50 note and said "keep the rest"
08:44 AM Loetmichel: if he really did write "delivery refused" on it it WILL go back to china
08:47 AM enleth: Loetmichel: call the post office ASAP?
08:47 AM enleth: they should be able to hold the package
08:49 AM TekniQue: german DHL is the worst
08:53 AM gregcnc: best to complain on a forum to get your problem solved
08:54 AM gregcnc: DHL is bad in their homeland?
08:54 AM sensille: Loetmichel: dhl express?
08:55 AM sensille: DHL is not bad in germany
08:55 AM gregcnc: I always use it for DE -> USA
08:56 AM sensille: but there are really 2 DHLs here. "DHL express", which is the global DHL, and "DHL", which is domestic afaik
09:03 AM Loetmichel: as it was from china: probably express
09:03 AM sensille: if you refuse the delivery, the bring it back to customs, where you can pick it up and pay without DHL fee
09:03 AM sensille: s/the/they
09:03 AM Loetmichel: that would be nice. Alas i dont see it.
09:05 AM sensille: yeah. they never tell you in advance what the fee will be
09:05 AM sensille: still i wouldn't way they're the worst
09:06 AM sensille: *say
09:06 AM Loetmichel: gerally not
09:06 AM Loetmichel: but if you combine their "service" with a lazy and spiteful delivery boy...
09:06 AM CaptHindsight: miss0r: you missed that LCNC just runs on magic hardware over USB, the cheaper hardware the better, in fact it actually throws your PC in the trash if an installation it is attempted and send you a Rpi or STM32, it also prevents Covod-19, adult acne and allows you to machine just about anything from your smartphone only if you are at a beach <end bullshit>
09:07 AM roycroft: interesting that your delivery person would have that attitude
09:08 AM CaptHindsight: miss0r: oh and 3d printer files and CNC/CAM is all the same now, doesn't matter what hardware you have it is all the same
09:08 AM Loetmichel: they get less than minimum wage here
09:08 AM roycroft: here in the us we're experiencing a severe shortage of coinage, and many shops have posted signs that they either cannot accept cash or that they cannot give change, and will round purchases up to the next dollar
09:08 AM Loetmichel: they are paid by the parcel.
09:09 AM Loetmichel: roycroft: i think he expected my wife to give him her 50€ note and tell him to keep the rest
09:10 AM roycroft: probably
09:10 AM Loetmichel: when that didnt happen he was angry.
09:10 AM roycroft: he'd be angrier if he lost his job, which based on the sequence of events that you described, he should lose
09:11 AM Loetmichel: yep, he should.
09:11 AM gregcnc: loetmichel this is the first time you needed to pay dhl?
09:11 AM CaptHindsight: the USA should invoke a Covod coin or stone, any piece or metal or stone should be legal regarded as legal tender if it is used to round up or down to the nearest dollar
09:11 AM Loetmichel: but i somehow doubt DHL will even take a complaint, or even investigate which delivery boy was the one in question.
09:11 AM roycroft: we should just take steps to get the pandemic under control in this country
09:11 AM Loetmichel: more or less: yes
09:11 AM CaptHindsight: problem solved, next huckster please
09:12 AM roycroft: but it's going to be another 71 days before that can happen
09:12 AM gregcnc: pfft two more weeks
09:12 AM CaptHindsight: perception is reality
09:14 AM CaptHindsight: magic beans for rounding to nearest dollar and as corona virus protection
09:14 AM gregcnc: they should just make you sit down at a table with food for all public interactions
09:15 AM gregcnc: https://patch.com/illinois/crystallake/s/hb3l2/why-did-pritzker-party-crowd-despite-his-coronavirus-advice
09:15 AM CaptHindsight: all serious discussion should involve meals
09:16 AM gregcnc: last warm day here
09:16 AM CaptHindsight: One for all, All for one, Every man for himself!
09:16 AM CaptHindsight: Curly Howard
09:16 AM gregcnc: been putting off car work all year
09:18 AM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: celebrating the defeat of Trump calls for sacrificial celebration
09:19 AM gregcnc: maybe
09:20 AM CaptHindsight: ,t write in for 2016 was for a mere "sack of crap" and we got worse
09:21 AM CaptHindsight: be careful what you wish for
09:25 AM roycroft: my feeling is more of relief than celebration
09:27 AM roycroft: kaspersky have identified a ransomware trojan that targets linux systems
09:27 AM rs[m]: how does it spread
09:27 AM roycroft: those of you with linuxcnc machines (or other linux machines) connected to the public internet might take extra care in keeping up-to-date on security fixes
09:28 AM roycroft: the article i was pointed to does not describe the mechanism in any detail
09:28 AM roycroft: https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/09/linux_ransomware_kaspersky/
09:28 AM Loetmichel: roycroft: i doubt it would be much of a problem to reinstall a linuxCNC pc from CD and backed up config
09:29 AM roycroft: assuming your backed up config is not affected
09:30 AM Loetmichel: its just a .stepconf file
09:30 AM Loetmichel: how could it?
09:30 AM roycroft: i am definitely going to find out more about this
09:30 AM rs[m]: Loetmichel: if you are doing backups to spinning rust that is always online
09:30 AM roycroft: i keep my linux servers pretty current
09:31 AM Loetmichel: nah, i am talking about the USB stick i used to install the machine in the first place
09:31 AM Loetmichel: and written the config to, then dumped the stick into the drawer of the machine
09:31 AM roycroft: if you scribbled on the usb stick before you get infected you're fine
09:32 AM Loetmichel: sure, that was the idea
09:32 AM roycroft: but if you scribble on it after you're infected but before the trojan is triggered what you scribbled may be encrypted and you would not know it
09:32 AM Loetmichel: install the machine from the stick, configure it to fit the machine, save that .stepconf file to the stick, pull the stick, THEN connect to the internet
09:32 AM Loetmichel: i thought that was reasonable standard MO for "old" linuxes?
09:33 AM roycroft: as far as my linucnc machine goes, it will never be connected to the public internet except when doing updates
09:34 AM roycroft: and if i'm honest, i have enough linux machines to keep current that it may make sense for me to set up a local repository for updates and update all the machines from that
09:34 AM Loetmichel: my machines are connected to the internal network, which is of course connected to the internet via a firewall
09:34 AM roycroft: in which case the linuxcnc machine would never need to connect to the public internet
09:34 AM Loetmichel: but as i said: most likely its not much of a problem to get those CNC machines back up running
09:35 AM roycroft: in your case
09:35 AM roycroft: some folks seem to use their linuxcnc machines for general web browsing, running apps to generate g-code, etc.
09:36 AM roycroft: i'm certainly not trying to tell anyone how to use their machines
09:36 AM Loetmichel: ah
09:36 AM Loetmichel: no, my machines are old core2 duo that still have a LPT port
09:36 AM roycroft: i'm just pointing out that linux is now a hacking target in the same way that windows is
09:36 AM Loetmichel: no use to try to surf on them
09:36 AM Loetmichel: or do work other than the LinuxCNC itself
09:36 AM roycroft: take appropriate precautions
09:36 AM roycroft: that's all
09:37 AM Loetmichel: it always was
09:37 AM Loetmichel: just not to the amout that windows is/was
09:37 AM roycroft: and each person must determine what the appropriate cautions are for their particular situation
09:38 AM Loetmichel: yep. personally i have mor qualms with the fact that the machines are on the same circuit as the rest of the shop
09:38 AM Loetmichel: today a coworker managed TWO times to throw the RCD for the shop...
09:38 AM Loetmichel: resulting in two destroyed parts...
09:41 AM Deejay: re
09:46 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.zdnet.com/index.php/category/2381/index.php/article/linux-version-of-ransomexx-ransomware-discovered/
09:46 AM CaptHindsight: but it rerquires the user to be extra stupid and actually alow permissions and install it
09:47 AM CaptHindsight: rerquires/requires
09:48 AM CaptHindsight: https://securelist.com/ransomexx-trojan-attacks-linux-systems/99279/
09:49 AM CaptHindsight: "
09:49 AM CaptHindsight: The executable to install this malware has to be run by user. If a person runs attachmen to email (like an idiot) or makes "update" to their OS or program with infected file (like an idiot) then yes they'll get this thing.Seems easily avoidable to me, except by goddamn idiots."
09:50 AM gregcnc: my wife: something popped up. I clicked OK. me: what was it. her: idk
09:51 AM roycroft: and by "goddamn idiots" you mean 98% of the population who see computers as just devices like toasters and don't think twice about how they use them
09:52 AM gregcnc: they are probably more common that toasters now
09:54 AM CaptHindsight: more visceral "discussion" here: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/20/11/07/0541223/cyberattackers-now-also-make-linux-versions-of-their-ransomware
10:12 AM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: go home already, get some sleep
10:13 AM skunkworks: when you have a 3d printer everything look like a nail? what?
10:13 AM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20201110_073118.jpg
10:15 AM CaptHindsight: 23 c today, -1C tonight
10:16 AM CaptHindsight: we have no fall weather here
10:17 AM roycroft: it's going to get up to 10 here
10:17 AM roycroft: and it is raining
10:17 AM roycroft: this is my reality until well into next year
10:22 AM CaptHindsight: Qanon weather today is green with scattered confusion, today's devil number is 7, heal me jesus
10:40 AM gregcnc: ready for another lockdown capt?
10:44 AM roycroft: i'm ready for the pandemic to stop spreading like wildfire in this country
10:44 AM roycroft: i really like our governor's targeted approach to containing it here
10:45 AM gregcnc: has WA had any flu cases this year?
10:45 AM roycroft: she takes action on a county-by-county basis
10:45 AM roycroft: and has a list of criteria for the lockdown levels taht are applied to each county
10:46 AM roycroft: and all those criteria are evaluated constantly
10:46 AM roycroft: i haven't heard any reports on the seasonal flu this year
10:46 AM roycroft: the flu season is just starting
10:46 AM * roycroft got his flu shot a few weeks ago
10:47 AM gregcnc: did it stop 3/15 like it did in IL?
10:47 AM roycroft: huh?
10:47 AM gregcnc: zero reported cases of flu in IL since 3/15 or so
10:47 AM roycroft: oh, i have no idea
10:48 AM roycroft: but that's around when the seasonal flu winds down
10:48 AM gregcnc: no wound down. dropped from hundreds/thousands to zero
10:48 AM roycroft: unlike sars-cov-2, the seasonal flu does go away when the weather gets warmer
10:48 AM roycroft: that seems unusual
10:49 AM gregcnc: state health dept has removed it all together
10:49 AM gregcnc: not flu-like any longer, but covid-like
10:50 AM roycroft: nobody i know of conflates the seasonal flu and sars-cov-2, except our current president and his ilk
10:50 AM gregcnc: gov. pritzker does
10:50 AM roycroft: then he's an idiot
10:50 AM roycroft: or, more likely, a corrupt asshole
10:51 AM roycroft: illinois has had more than its fair share of corrupt asshole governors
10:51 AM gregcnc: well he has some financial interst in covid tests
10:51 AM roycroft: having grown up there, i'm fairly well-acquainted with political corruption
10:52 AM roycroft: which is by no means exclusive to either of the main parties
10:53 AM gregcnc: so i guess USP rates changed 10/18?
10:53 AM gregcnc: USPS
10:53 AM roycroft: did they?
10:53 AM * roycroft still has a couple rolls of forever stamps that he bought in the '90s
10:53 AM roycroft: i use 1 or 2 per year
10:55 AM gregcnc: prices crept up a bit for first class parcel when printing labels
10:55 AM roycroft: well blame jeff bezos for that
10:55 AM roycroft: you won't be able to blame him much longer
10:56 AM roycroft: so do the blaming while you still can
10:56 AM * roycroft years for the end of truthiness
10:56 AM * roycroft does not hold his breath, however
10:57 AM roycroft: speaking of shipping
10:57 AM roycroft: a parcel i ordered was shipped over from china using speedpak
10:57 AM roycroft: it arrived in california last week
10:58 AM roycroft: it was brought to eugene and handed over to the usps on friday
10:58 AM roycroft: the usps sent it up to fife, washington, where it's still sitting
10:58 AM roycroft: instead of putting it in my mailbox
10:58 AM roycroft: the post office in fife will eventually send it down to eugene
10:59 AM gregcnc: what did you pay for shipping?
10:59 AM roycroft: and then it will eventually be delivered
10:59 AM roycroft: i don't recall
10:59 AM roycroft: either nothing or very little
10:59 AM gregcnc: tha'ts why postal rates are going up
10:59 AM roycroft: and i don't mind that it's taking a while
10:59 AM roycroft: what i mind is all this excess moving about
10:59 AM Loetmichel: *COUGH*... wife just gave me the tax "return" papers to pay the missing part... we have to pay 1000 eur more income tax than my yearly salary is... thats what happens when wife has three times your salary ;) (only have to pay an additional 3000 eur this year though, rest is already done by the montly deductions)
11:00 AM roycroft: because our postmaster general has closed our regional sorting facility
11:00 AM roycroft: our soon-to-be-ex postmaster general :)
11:01 AM roycroft: and, of course, when the parcel is finally out for delivery, if the letter carrier is having a busy day and does not make it to my house by 4:45 pm, it will go back to the post office for another go the next day
11:02 AM roycroft: because it's so much more efficient to send a parcel out for delivery multiple times than to just deliver it the first time
11:16 AM JT-Cave: I'm sure that has nothing to do with you not getting your mail... prob because they are broke and are not allowed over time
12:54 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, nice leaf pile
01:13 PM rs[m]: USPS probably is still busy finging biden votes
01:17 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, just made a bigger one with my MS 450 lol
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: the bailouts were handled poorly as expected by anyone not in a coma, they have been trying to run the post office out of business for years
03:32 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20201110_151526.jpg
03:33 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20201110_152007.jpg
03:33 PM skunkworks: first try with the fusion splicer. I stuck the 2 ends in - it saw that they where square enough and fused them. I didn't know it was set to auto ;)
03:34 PM skunkworks: didn't clean the ends with alcohol..
03:36 PM Tom_L: glass?
03:37 PM skunkworks: yes
03:37 PM skunkworks: multimode - so huge.. But still ;)
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: 0.00dB loss, I'd say that worked :)
03:38 PM skunkworks: it is amazing..
03:38 PM skunkworks: CaptHindsight: if you can believe that.. ;)
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: what is it actually displaying with the 0.00dB?
03:39 PM skunkworks: this is a cheap ($1000) ai-9 splicer... People seem to like it. After getting a quote to have someone run fiber for us - we figured we could buy the equipment cheaper
03:39 PM skunkworks: CaptHindsight: I assume it is from shining the light perpendicular to the fiber.. how ever that works
03:40 PM Tom_L: ok it makes more sense now. i forgot you were looking for a fiber splicer
03:41 PM Tom_L: at first glance it looked like a cracked piece of glass
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: skunkworks: how much do you need to run?
03:41 PM skunkworks: a few thousand feet..
03:41 PM skunkworks: our maitenence department was afraid to initally - but now I think they are on board.
03:42 PM skunkworks: we are going to have <5k in fiber, splicer random stuff.. then we can also fix and do our own running in the future..
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: was a PITA 20 years ago
03:43 PM skunkworks: right - it is amazing. Like I say - first splice after turning it on and it looks pretty darn good.
03:43 PM skunkworks: granted - we are running single mode fiber - so - a little harder.
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: $1000 connectors back them
03:45 PM skunkworks: yah - we are even buying pig tails.. So - just splice and go.
03:46 PM skunkworks: you can buy 20 pig tails for cheap
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-m6cwIFhCM&list=ULqTvN99EcBMg&index=149
03:48 PM skunkworks: yikes
04:16 PM JT-Shop: lol I got paid a day early due to tomorrow being a holiday
04:24 PM Tom_L: wtf did i miss a holiday?
04:24 PM JT-Shop: not yet
04:26 PM Tom_L: phew
04:27 PM roycroft: i always work in veterans day and take the day after thanksgiving off
04:27 PM roycroft: everyone at my office does
04:27 PM roycroft: well, everyone at my place of employment does
04:27 PM roycroft: my office is at home these days
04:28 PM Tom_L: do you get a mileage allowance? :)
04:29 PM roycroft: i'm actually making more on mileage than when i used to when i had to drive to the office 3 days/week
04:29 PM roycroft: i did not get mileage to drive to the office
04:29 PM roycroft: but i get mileage when i go to customer sites
04:29 PM roycroft: i used to get 2-3 miles for that
04:29 PM roycroft: now i get 83
04:30 PM roycroft: i get 55 cents/mile
04:30 PM roycroft: and i drive a prius
04:30 PM roycroft: so the mileage checks are nice :)
04:31 PM Tom_L: federal rate is 57.5
04:31 PM roycroft: i usually make a half dozen or so trips/month to customer sites
04:31 PM roycroft: i'm ok with 55 cents
04:31 PM Tom_L: down .5 from last year
04:33 PM roycroft: i'm told that gasoline is going to to $6/gallon at 12:01pm eastern time on 20 january
04:33 PM Tom_L: wonderful
04:33 PM roycroft: but i'm also told that taxes will triple at that same time
04:33 PM roycroft: and that the border fence/wall will be completely torn down at that time
04:34 PM roycroft: i'm being told a lot of unusual things
04:34 PM Tom_L: someone else must be in charge then
04:34 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i can trust that any of them will come to pass
04:35 PM roycroft: i think that's also the time that all guns everywhere will be confiscated at the same time
04:35 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure i can trust what i hear
04:35 PM roycroft: and that religion will be outlawed
04:35 PM roycroft: i can only believe what i actually see happening
04:37 PM Tom_L: even then it could be a mirage
04:49 PM skunkworks: found the breaker..
05:18 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:25 PM JT-Cave: log roll over
05:28 PM skunkworks: y2k?
05:29 PM JT-Cave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYtzKrAO7e4&t=29s
05:42 PM XXCoder: JT-Cave: nice though maybe invest in camera stand
05:43 PM JT-Cave: it was ad hoc at the last minute and my buddy was just holding my phone
05:43 PM XXCoder: ahh unplanned makes sense
05:43 PM * JT-Cave has several tripods but the event was not planned
05:46 PM JT-Cave: damn I keep forgetting to turn off the music when filming the Cinnamon Queens and putube will mark it with a copyright violation
05:46 PM JT-Cave: what PIA
05:46 PM XXCoder: lol the reason I strip all audio out. no way for me to know ever
05:46 PM JT-Cave: yea, I see that
05:47 PM JT-Cave: normally you say I hear that lol
05:48 PM XXCoder: youtube dont care about fail use
05:48 PM XXCoder: and they have no real way to appeal
05:48 PM XXCoder: one of music creators had his video taken down with warning
05:49 PM XXCoder: why? because his own music is in it, and youtube warned that he cannot use his music in it
05:49 PM JT-Cave: that's stupid
05:49 PM XXCoder: that is how fucked up youtube copyrights is
05:49 PM JT-Cave: almost as bad as facebook well not nearly as bad
05:49 PM XXCoder: *copyright management
05:50 PM JT-Cave: there must be a better place to host videos...
05:50 PM XXCoder: not for me. autocaptions
05:50 PM XXCoder: many dont even offer caption support at all
05:51 PM XXCoder: if video channel dont offer it, they exclude far more than just deaf
05:51 PM XXCoder: 80% of captions users are not deaf
05:51 PM JT-Cave: yea, I struggle with putting captions at the bottom of my videos, been using Kdenlive trying to learn it
05:51 PM JT-Cave: how did you arrive at that number?
05:52 PM XXCoder: research i read years ago
05:52 PM XXCoder: found recent one https://www.3playmedia.com/blog/who-uses-closed-captions-not-just-the-deaf-or-hard-of-hearing/
05:52 PM JT-Cave: I use captions when I'm wanting to be quiet
05:53 PM XXCoder: there ya go. youre part of 80%
05:53 PM JT-Cave: well thought out captions are much better than rambling
05:54 PM JT-Cave: well time to wander upstairs and relax...
05:54 PM JT-Cave: oh I got my power supplies and LED's today
05:55 PM XXCoder: have a good relax
05:55 PM JT-Cave: see you in the morning
05:56 PM Tom_L: supply for what?
05:56 PM JT-Cave: the LED's, going to PWM them to simulate sunrise/sunset with the Rpi
05:57 PM Tom_L: ahh yeah
05:57 PM JT-Cave: phipli_, gave me the formula you need to convert raw PWM % to LED PWM %
05:59 PM JT-Cave: 0.181+(0.0482*p)+(0.00323*p*p)+(0.0000629*p*p*p)
05:59 PM JT-Cave: with p being the input value
06:09 PM Tom_L: huh
06:12 PM Tom_L: he has chickens as well?
06:14 PM XXCoder: ND has covid problem so bad they are allowing nurses that have covid but asymptomic to keep working
06:14 PM XXCoder: it must be really bad there
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: more sad but true
06:15 PM gregcnc: didn't that happen everywhere early on?
06:15 PM XXCoder: nope
06:15 PM XXCoder: i hope those nurses work on covid cases though. cant make them infected 2x!
06:16 PM roycroft: four more top pentagon officials have just been fired and replaced by trump loyalists
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/south-dakota?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources
06:17 PM roycroft: i sure hope the president isn't doing this so he can invoke the insurrection act
06:18 PM XXCoder: theres been firings across time. im concerned too. fired because refuse to do as ordered
06:18 PM roycroft: yes, but this is much different
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: White House threatens to fire anyone who tries to quit
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: https://americanindependent.com/white-house-threatens-to-fire-anyone-who-tries-to-quit/
06:19 PM gregcnc: are any of the Klaus Schwab books worth reading?
06:19 PM XXCoder: that site, newsguard dont like
06:19 PM gregcnc: newsguard?
06:19 PM XXCoder: yeah it evulates website based on certain stats
06:20 PM XXCoder: like does it have author name, fund sources named, so on
06:20 PM gregcnc: how does cnn rank?
06:21 PM XXCoder: one failure, on handling difference between news and onpintions
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: some of my posts are in jest
06:22 PM CaptHindsight: how do i tell if it is a fake or real newsguard site? :)
06:22 PM XXCoder: link above also has respobilily on gathering and presenting news and disclosure on ownership and funding, and revealing who is in charge, and show conflicts of interest if any.
06:22 PM XXCoder: not showing who owns it is one of worse
06:24 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: if youre interested i can link you to newsguard
06:24 PM gregcnc: do you trust someone else to do the research for you?
06:24 PM XXCoder: https://www.newsguardtech.com/ in case others is interesting actually
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: thanks I found it
06:24 PM XXCoder: gregcnc: not blindly
06:25 PM XXCoder: it tells me what they find wonky and i decide
06:25 PM XXCoder: it sure is handy on getting rid of really bad news sources thats for sure
06:26 PM XXCoder: https://www.foliomag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/screen-shot-2019-01-15-at-3-25-14-pm.png if youre curious on what it looks for.
06:26 PM roycroft: apparently one cannot give this newsguard site a test drive without handing over personal information
06:26 PM roycroft: so no, thanks
06:27 PM XXCoder: roy its well worth it. i pay sub plan of 2 usd a month
06:27 PM gregcnc: they want to look at your metadata to feed you the truth you want to see
06:27 PM XXCoder: greg hardly!
06:27 PM roycroft: just like facebook
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: i never metadata that i didn't like
06:27 PM XXCoder: my republican friend was angry that his favorite sites often has problems
06:27 PM Tom_L: does it work on irc too???? :D
06:27 PM XXCoder: tom i wish!
06:28 PM XXCoder: hes long since moved on to far better right news
06:28 PM gregcnc: this might be fun to try
06:28 PM CaptHindsight: has surpassed The Onion long ago
06:28 PM XXCoder: that tells me that newsguard checks on those stats and not on "right" or "left" or anything
06:38 PM gregcnc: https://www.platinumfighters.com/inventory-2/1959-mcdonnell-f4h-1f-phantom-ii
06:38 PM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/ypBunFtrOrE
06:39 PM gregcnc: is that magic?
06:39 PM skunkworks: it is...
06:39 PM skunkworks: I think...
06:40 PM skunkworks: I am sure linuxcnc could do it... :)
06:42 PM XXCoder: holy crap
06:42 PM CaptHindsight: wow forgot the F4 goes back to the late 50's
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://img.hmn.com/fit-in/900x506/filters:upscale()/stories/2020/02/06162436/FOTD_Impala-1.jpg
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: car of the same vintage ^^
07:11 PM _unreal_: boy I tell ya that mach3 eagle controller the info for it is SOOOO topsyturvy
07:13 PM unterhaus_: When I was in the Air Force, we had a book that said how much each fighter cost
07:13 PM unterhaus_: I think it said the F4 was $20000
07:14 PM unterhaus_: Granted, that was a lot more in 1950
07:14 PM XXCoder: current price?
07:14 PM XXCoder: ahh
07:14 PM unterhaus_: shoulda scarfed a copy of that thing
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/longevity/525421-one-in-five-coronavirus-patients-develop-mental-illness
07:15 PM XXCoder: yeah its not a flu. i kjeep trying but...
07:16 PM unterhaus_: As I recall, the F-16 was also listed at a bargain basement price. I am pretty sure the cheapest anyone ever bought one for was the navy for$10 mil
07:16 PM unterhaus_: had to buy your own engine at that price
07:17 PM XXCoder: that said, thehill is barely leaning to concerning because they dont list who owns site
07:17 PM unterhaus_: the hill isn't particularly reliable
07:18 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:18 PM XXCoder: i usually look for other sources if i find article in the hill
07:18 PM XXCoder: oops. https://twitter.com/LolOverruled/status/1326272033873924098 lol
07:20 PM infornography is now known as Big_Tech
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: the link to the actual study in the Hill https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4/fulltext
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: see all ayh gots ta doos is read and use yer brains
07:23 PM unterhaus_: I believe stories in the Hill like this one. Stories with political ramifications not so much
07:23 PM CaptHindsight: it's an odd news source
07:24 PM unterhaus_: all of them are credulous in the face of certain kinds of (Republican) leaks
07:24 PM unterhaus_: But the hill more than others
07:24 PM XXCoder: capt yeah thats why i look for other sources
07:25 PM CaptHindsight: I'm sorry but the article in the Hill linked to the actual study
07:25 PM CaptHindsight: even Fox gets that right at times
07:26 PM CaptHindsight: I even find links to vetted research on reddit
07:27 PM unterhaus_: Yes, I believe the story without going to the original source
07:28 PM XXCoder: i have no doubt its faked study. like I said it linked to decent research site. if it didnt, and i wasnt sure, i would search for better sites. thats all.
07:28 PM XXCoder: dammit *its NOT faked...
07:34 PM unterhaus_: It's true that study results are often misrepresented for clicks
07:34 PM unterhaus_: and nobody bothers to correct
07:37 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:38 PM XXCoder: if I feel need to know for sure, I tend to try to find edu or goverment studies
07:38 PM XXCoder: keeping in mind that gov may be directed to say bullshit
07:56 PM XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com/pta5Vuw.jpg "safe"
07:58 PM JavaBean: nah, that dude that was holding up his truck with 2x4's had a safer setup
07:59 PM XXCoder: you mean use 2x4s stack directly or use stand on em?
08:03 PM Tom_L: what's wrong with that?
08:03 PM Tom_L: perfectly safe jackstands
08:03 PM Tom_L: being used for their intended job
08:03 PM XXCoder: lol
08:03 PM Tom_L: nowhere did it say 'this side up'
08:04 PM Tom_L: and
08:04 PM Tom_L: those _are_ the good jackstands!
08:05 PM XXCoder: well I still wouldnt use it that way
08:07 PM JavaBean: can't seem to find the image right now. someone "driving by" got a picture of someone with the drivers side of the truck on "2x4's". the boards were vertical holding the side up a good meter or more up so the dude could do something under the vehicle
08:14 PM XXCoder: i saw tree branch version of it
08:14 PM XXCoder: crazy
08:15 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTsXPndfGWE
08:19 PM unterhaus_: when I lived in deepest, darkest appalachia, it was common to have 2x work stands in the ditch
08:20 PM unterhaus_: drive the car out on it
08:20 PM unterhaus_: platform
08:20 PM unterhaus_: I never saw one in use
08:23 PM XXCoder: crazy
08:37 PM unterhaus_: is there a shield for arduino that just runs the i/o straight to terminal blocks?
08:38 PM Tom_L: https://www.adafruit.com/product/196
08:39 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
08:40 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/women_vs_men/5.jpg
08:44 PM unterhaus_: that's more extreme than anything I saw in Virginia
08:45 PM unterhaus_: You don't generally need to have the whole car out on the tuba4
08:46 PM unterhaus_: I feel like the fact you can buy din rail mounts for arduinos is a bad thing
08:47 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: https://www.amazon.com/ARCELI-Prototype-Terminal-Arduino-Soldered/dp/B07CQW5WSX/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=ARCELI+Prototype+Screw%2FTerminal+Block+Shield+Board+Kit&qid=1605062800&s=industrial&sr=1-3
08:48 PM CaptHindsight: the ARCELI has more terminals than the ateafruit
08:49 PM unterhaus_: it's for a mega
08:50 PM CaptHindsight: yup so is the ARCELI
08:50 PM CaptHindsight: thanks for reminding me to order a new one
08:53 PM unterhaus_: I was hoping to find one for an uno
08:53 PM unterhaus_: isn't that what the adafruit is for?
08:53 PM CaptHindsight: just closed that link to one :)
08:54 PM unterhaus_: looks like it's cheaper to buy a nano and terminal board than to buy a terminal board for the uno
08:54 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Electronics-Salon-Arduino-Terminal-Breakout-Module/dp/B07HF2DD7T/ref=pd_cart_sspa_dk_ct_pt_sub_1_1/133-3656752-9771250
08:55 PM CaptHindsight: more things i hate about *duinos, dummbed down schematics and specs
08:55 PM unterhaus_: why are nanos so cheap?
08:56 PM CaptHindsight: i got megas for <$10
08:56 PM CaptHindsight: how much are the nanos?
08:56 PM unterhaus_: $3
08:57 PM unterhaus_: terminal boards are also $3
08:57 PM unterhaus_: I know they are smaller, but pcb material is cheap
08:58 PM unterhaus_: I just want to flip an output port hi to lo, don't need 135 pins
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: just spent 5 minutes on Amazon looking at duinos
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: how awful
09:01 PM XXCoder: capt that breakout isnt bad
09:04 PM unterhaus_: Capt, I apologize
09:05 PM unterhaus_: CaptHindsight, do you have one of those arcelli boards?
09:05 PM unterhaus_: have to see if I can figure out where my mega is
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: I did, it went out with a proto
09:06 PM unterhaus_: seems pretty useful
09:06 PM CaptHindsight: not top quality, but it does have screw terminals
09:17 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: now i remember, that meag breakout has no mounting holes..
09:17 PM CaptHindsight: so you have to mount the mega to a panel or rails
09:17 PM CaptHindsight: but one with rails is $35 https://www.amazon.com/Electronics-Salon-Terminal-Adapter-Arduino-MEGA-2560/dp/B01CU3OB5Y/ref=pd_sbs_328_2/132-3389462-8217507
09:18 PM CaptHindsight: 3.5 x the price of the Mega's
09:19 PM unterhaus_: not sure it's worth it over a piece of plastic and some double sided tape
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: they are all kind of half assed
09:20 PM roycroft: isn't a hot glue gun made for things like that?
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: like the Rpi's, where is the stable working version with power, screw terminals and heat sinking?
09:21 PM roycroft: four squirts and bob's your uncle
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: on the same level at least
09:22 PM unterhaus_: something to be said for securely mounting things
09:22 PM unterhaus_: but then again, I had a computer where the case didn't have a side on it so i could power it on with a screwdriver
09:23 PM unterhaus_: that worked fine until I bent over to turn it on and spilled my coke on it
09:23 PM CaptHindsight: pretty much the same a a momentary contact switch
09:24 PM CaptHindsight: PC makers owe much to soda makers
09:28 PM CaptHindsight: pc cases with drink holders should be free
09:38 PM unterhaus_: my bosses daughter spilled a coke on his laptop and it caught on fire
09:38 PM unterhaus_: hard drive was blue
09:38 PM unterhaus_: his kids were good at that when they were little, first time I saw them they had caught a pc on fire
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