#linuxcnc Logs

Nov 08 2020

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:31 AM Deejay: moin
04:50 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:50 AM XXCoder: yo
05:23 AM jymmmm: morning
05:23 AM XXCoder: hey
05:23 AM jymmmm: 34F, brrr
05:25 AM jymmmm: and next week 6 days of continous, non stop rain
05:40 AM gloops: thick fog here
05:45 AM jymmmm: gloops: where's here?
05:46 AM XXCoder: here of course
05:46 AM gloops: UK - yorkshire
05:47 AM XXCoder: checked weather. looks like rain or rain all week
05:47 AM jymmmm: Ah. Yeah, that's always a bit creepy to drive in, always fear getting rear ended
05:48 AM XXCoder: heavy fog while dricing home happen few times each year. i dont think it will happen this year however lol
05:48 AM XXCoder: as it requires driving lol
05:48 AM jymmmm: And you aren't driving this year?
05:49 AM JT-Cave: hmm I can't download videos from putube anymore in firefox, anyone still able to?
05:49 AM XXCoder: oh im driving just far less this winter than last 5 years as i dont have job now
05:49 AM jymmmm: JT using the plugin?
05:49 AM XXCoder: jt yt always block that once a while. bah
05:50 AM XXCoder: i rarely need to since downloads cant be captioned but yeah its an annoyance
05:50 AM jymmmm: JT This works pretty good... https://y2mate.guru/en8/
05:50 AM XXCoder: nice
05:50 AM XXCoder: saving fav
05:51 AM jymmmm: I used to have a FF extension, for saving any video, but it stopped working, so went with online downloader
05:53 AM jymmmm: I do have ABP installed, so IDK if there are any annouances with that site.
05:53 AM jymmmm: annoyances*
05:54 AM JT-Cave: yea, I've tried a bunch of plugins
05:56 AM JT-Cave: damn y2mate sent me to a spam site
05:57 AM jymmmm: JT D you have ABP installed?
05:58 AM JT-Cave: AdBlocker Ultimate
05:59 AM jymmmm: JT Close the span window, and your download link should be there
05:59 AM JT-Cave: I tried to download on both linux and windblows
05:59 AM jymmmm: spam*
06:00 AM jymmmm: Then right-click on the video and SAVE AS....
06:01 AM JT-Cave: doesn't work, just plays the video with a million mile long url
06:01 AM XXCoder: right click link
06:01 AM XXCoder: can download
06:01 AM jymmmm: JT In the video playing, right-click, and select SAVE AS
06:01 AM jymmmm: you can pause the video if you like
06:02 AM jymmmm: IT's a cumbersome process, but it works
06:05 AM jymmmm: This one gives you a choice of downloading the video, or just making a mp3 for download https://ytmp3.cc/en13/
06:13 AM JT-Cave: https://dpaste.com/8MK3N4H3H
06:13 AM JT-Cave: interesting
06:18 AM jymmmm: Heh, they used the DCMA because the links circumvent the download process, lol, bastards.. https://lumendatabase.org/notices/21745040#
06:27 AM Tom_L: morning
06:27 AM jymmmm: Morning Tom_L
06:39 AM jymmmm: Tom_L: woohoo!!!
06:41 AM _unreal_: yawn
06:42 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:42 AM JT-Cave: looking good Tom_L
06:43 AM Tom_L: got rigid tapping code back
06:43 AM Tom_L: haven't put tool to metal yet
06:43 AM JT-Cave: cool, did you get the brake sorted out?
06:43 AM Tom_L: i think, but not wired
06:44 AM Tom_L: rigid tapping does not trip the brake when it reverses
06:45 AM Tom_L: i think if it goes slow enough it won't cause too much emf
06:45 AM Tom_L: i seldom tap anyway but i wanted it at least to work
07:30 AM _unreal_: have any of you setup VCP?
07:43 AM _unreal_: My first issue is I cant see the screen. its to large
07:43 AM _unreal_: not sure why
07:46 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
07:48 AM _unreal_: have any of you setup and use qtpyvcp?
08:14 AM rs[m]: unreal: probe_basic only works on 1920×1080 AFAIU
08:42 AM _unreal: hello
08:43 AM _unreal: just switched the mouse from the ps2 micro touch pad with no dragging features to an orbit mouse ball
08:43 AM _unreal: :)
08:43 AM _unreal: the pad was getting annoying
08:43 AM _unreal: to light and slid around
08:43 AM _unreal: so I need to get qtpyvcp fitted to my display
08:43 AM _unreal: my screen is a 1024x768 4x3
08:44 AM _unreal: I bring up vcp I can only see the upper left portion of it
08:44 AM _unreal: anyone live?
08:54 AM rs[m]: _unreal: yes
08:54 AM rs[m]: _unreal: use another gui
08:58 AM _unreal: like what? I dont know any
08:59 AM _unreal: axis is painfully limited
09:03 AM Tom_L: if you're setting up probe basic screen it's for a 1080
09:04 AM _unreal: is it adjustable?
09:04 AM _unreal: or fixed?
09:05 AM _unreal: the monitor I'm using and planning on using is an industrial display
09:05 AM _unreal: designed for harsh envronments
09:05 AM _unreal: but its 4:3
09:05 AM _unreal: so much better, just cleaned the wheels on this mouse.
09:06 AM _unreal: my daughter was sing it then jus stopped. turned out her hair was in the wheels
09:06 AM _unreal: and instead of cleaning she just cast it aside. typical
09:09 AM Tom_L: not adjustable
09:10 AM Tom_L: better find another one
09:10 AM rs[m]: _unreal: just spend some quality time in qt designer if your are so inclined, after all, it is free software, and this even comes with pointy clicky gui design software
09:11 AM Tom_L: there are other examples, that's the one they've spent the most time on
09:11 AM _unreal: I dont have time to customize.. Ineed to get the machine out of the house and to work. and I need it to be in as much of a usable state as possible
09:12 AM _unreal: z has not been fully built yet but I dont have the time frame to do that :(
09:12 AM rs[m]: _unreal: take axis. you won't be limited.
09:12 AM Tom_L: i told him that already
09:13 AM Tom_L: could have saved a couple days but meh
09:13 AM _unreal: told me what?
09:13 AM Tom_L: not to start on a gui now
09:14 AM rs[m]: Tom_L: it's is time he doesn't have ;)
09:14 AM rs[m]: s/is/his/
09:14 AM Tom_L: he must or he would listen
09:14 AM _unreal: I had to start over with the motor controllers issue
09:15 AM _unreal: switching from the DIY servo system to the steppers then having mega issues with the fucking cheap ass stepper motor drivers
09:15 AM Tom_L: also hopefully a lesson learned
09:15 AM _unreal: hardly
09:15 AM Tom_L: we try to suggest things that work
09:15 AM _unreal: when you have no time to tune
09:16 AM Tom_L: the cost easily gets eaten up in time otherwise
09:16 AM _unreal: I may just put an other HD in the tower, and install winblows and install mach3
09:16 AM _unreal: axis is far to limited
09:17 AM _unreal: and i'm NOT going to be doing everything by manual key in commands
09:17 AM Tom_L: that's a copout but ok if it works for you i'm all about it
09:17 AM _unreal: I have to have the machine OUT in 6 days
09:17 AM Tom_L: best of luck
09:17 AM _unreal: once at work I have only 2 30min breaks
09:17 AM _unreal: IF I'm even on campus
09:18 AM rs[m]: _unreal: inhowfar is axis limited
09:18 AM Tom_L: he's opposed to not having touch screens
09:18 AM _unreal: lack of GUI on screen machine control options
09:18 AM rs[m]: Tom_L: is that a double negative?
09:18 AM _unreal: I dont have a touch screen nore the money to buy one
09:19 AM Tom_L: he wants a dmg mori but got a fadal instead
09:19 AM rs[m]: _unreal: what on screen machine control options are you missing?
09:19 AM _unreal: heeh in axis EVERYTRHING
09:20 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
09:20 AM rs[m]: probe_basic looks a bit nicer, but is a rapidly moving target, and buggy at times, so for anything production, stick with axis
09:20 AM Tom_L: i'm quite equipped with that
09:20 AM rs[m]: i really should fix my firewall and proxy to allow http to port 81...
09:20 AM Tom_L: rs[m], it's axis
09:21 AM Tom_L: with a side pannel
09:22 AM _unreal: vcp has most of the options I need
09:22 AM _unreal: native
09:22 AM rs[m]: _unreal: and those are?
09:22 AM _unreal: I'm not doing options by manual gcode
09:22 AM rs[m]: what are options
09:22 AM _unreal: if I dont have a gui its a waste of my time
09:23 AM _unreal: mcode
09:23 AM rs[m]: don't know what you mean
09:23 AM Tom_L: funny but those use very similar code to do the same thing
09:23 AM Tom_L: you just don't see it
09:23 AM rs[m]: the usual m-codes are there in the axis gui
09:23 AM rs[m]: turn coolant on/off, spindle on/off etc...
09:24 AM Tom_L: my pendant does all those but coolant and i don't need that one
09:26 AM Tom_L: rs[m], sorry about the port issue but my isp blocks outbound 80
09:26 AM _unreal: as I said I REFUSE to do machine functions by manually keying in g/m codes other then moving the spindle to a set xyz coordinate
09:27 AM rs[m]: Tom_L: the problem is on my end, but i'm too lazy to update the firewall. after all, it's sunday.
09:27 AM Tom_L: yeah, i use my pendant for that
09:27 AM rs[m]: _unreal: what does that have to do with anything.
09:27 AM rs[m]: _unreal: didn't you find "open file" in axis?
09:28 AM _unreal: I dont know what you mean open file?
09:28 AM Tom_L: have you explored axis any?
09:28 AM _unreal: yes
09:28 AM rs[m]: _unreal: load g-code file
09:28 AM Tom_L: what does it not do for you?
09:29 AM rs[m]: _unreal: nobody on their right mind does machining with manually entered g-codes in the MDI, except for very simple stuff
09:29 AM Tom_L: maybe that's where i keep going wrong :D
09:29 AM _unreal: I dont know every gcode / mcode command and there every adjustable option. trying to manually drive the machine and do the fucntions I need is subject to to much error
09:30 AM _unreal: hence I need to use a gui.
09:30 AM rs[m]: _unreal: axis is the gui of the machine controller
09:31 AM rs[m]: _unreal: not the gui to produce your milling programs
09:31 AM _unreal: thats what I mean..
09:31 AM rs[m]: that would be whatever CAD/CAM you are familiar with / can afford
09:31 AM _unreal: I dont want to manually keycode to zero to an offset
09:31 AM Tom_L: i don't either
09:32 AM Tom_L: i touch off or whatever to find my work offsets
09:32 AM _unreal: if I need to rotate the work area via an offset I want the onscreen function and be able to just key in the percent
09:32 AM rs[m]: rotation in percent???
09:32 AM _unreal: yes
09:32 AM _unreal: you dont have that
09:32 AM _unreal: ?
09:32 AM Tom_L: you're not gonna find what you're looking for unless you write it
09:32 AM Tom_L: i dare say mach doesn't either
09:33 AM _unreal: in my planet CNC and mach3 I have all those options and many many MANY more
09:33 AM rs[m]: what is 100% rotation? 360°?
09:33 AM rs[m]: or 90?
09:33 AM _unreal: 360
09:33 AM _unreal: flipinng as well
09:33 AM rs[m]: wtf
09:33 AM _unreal: yes
09:33 AM Tom_L: that's what you should do then
09:33 AM Tom_L: it would save us all time
09:34 AM rs[m]: i don't think probe basic has a "rotate work area in percent" option
09:34 AM rs[m]: either
09:34 AM _unreal: if lcnc doesnt have even a fraction of that then its a glorified... WHOLY FUCK that was a strong wind
09:34 AM Tom_L: not that i know of
09:34 AM _unreal: that storm is getting closer to me, south florida
09:35 AM Tom_L: linuxcnc is far more capable than mach
09:35 AM Tom_L: you have to do a little work to get it
09:35 AM rs[m]: _unreal: the stuff you are talking about is just "syntactic sugar", that doesn't really matter that much
09:35 AM _unreal: little work I'm sure
09:35 AM Tom_L: instead of just plopping down money for it
09:35 AM Tom_L: but it _will_ do it
09:35 AM _unreal: :S
09:36 AM _unreal: the big power lines just arced
09:36 AM _unreal: about half a mile east of me there is a cleared path with the mega tall tower power lines
09:36 AM _unreal: and they swing
09:36 AM _unreal: if they get close to each other they arc
09:36 AM _unreal: dont even have to touch
09:38 AM * JT-Cave guesses this is mildly more entertaining than reading all the political ranting from radicals
09:38 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, unless you get pulled in
09:38 AM _unreal: what is touchy, gmoccapy, tklinux GUI's?
09:39 AM _unreal: heh
09:39 AM JT-Cave: lol I'm not going to get assimilated
09:39 AM rs[m]: _unreal: other way too limited GUIs without rotating percentages
09:39 AM _unreal: collective
09:39 AM _unreal: rs[m], I'm just listing one single feature of many I use
09:40 AM _unreal: I'm not finding much in regards to those gui options. I dont know what they are what they look like what they offer
09:40 AM _unreal: not much on line talking about them
09:40 AM rs[m]: _try gmoccapy
09:41 AM _unreal: is it locked in its display?
09:41 AM _unreal: ratio
09:41 AM _unreal: like qtpyvcp
09:41 AM rs[m]: qtpyvcp isn't locked either
09:41 AM _unreal: I couldnt move it or adjust it
09:41 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, wind is picking up here but clear
09:42 AM rs[m]: just try it, no point arguing, i don't know if it fits in 1024x768
09:42 AM _unreal: I can only see the upper left corner
09:42 AM JT-Cave: raining here
09:42 AM _unreal: and could not click or drag from the top window
09:42 AM rs[m]: qtpyvcp can be made to fit everywhere, it is a new gui framework
09:43 AM rs[m]: emphasis FRAMEWORK
09:43 AM _unreal: let me grab my phone, snap a new photo
09:43 AM rs[m]: sorry
09:44 AM _unreal: I finished cleaning up a lot of wirings this morning
09:44 AM rs[m]: unreal: you are talking about probebasic or something else
09:44 AM Tom_L: he tried it but it's locked at 1080
09:45 AM Tom_L: too many screens to fit otherwise
09:46 AM _unreal: I have an SCS MARE lcd
09:46 AM _unreal: its a "marine" display
09:46 AM _unreal: new it was $3k
09:46 AM _unreal: ebay you can find them for ? $500 ish
09:46 AM rs[m]: i have 20 year old eizo 1280·1024
09:47 AM rs[m]: so what
09:47 AM _unreal: but its a 4:3
09:47 AM rs[m]: mine is 5:4
09:47 AM _unreal: its got a thick glass over the lcd
09:47 AM rs[m]: you are missing the point
09:47 AM _unreal: and a sealed body
09:48 AM _unreal: designed to be mounted.
09:48 AM rs[m]: basically you have 2 options: either use a gui that fits on the screen resolution of you choice, or not.
09:49 AM rs[m]: *your
09:49 AM _unreal:
09:49 AM _unreal: * Now talking on #linuxcnc failed with errors
09:49 AM _unreal: ?
09:50 AM _unreal: gmoccapy failed with errors
09:51 AM _unreal: tklinux same thing
09:52 AM Tom_L: you probably don't have the graphic libs installed
09:52 AM _unreal: ahh fuck
09:52 AM _unreal: now axis is doing the same
09:52 AM Tom_L: and you say this is done in 6 days?
09:52 AM _unreal: oh maybe I spoke to soon
09:53 AM _unreal: had to reset network
09:53 AM _unreal: I did it before but I did it before I powered on the controler
09:53 AM rs[m]: no you didn't ;)
09:54 AM _unreal: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tN22rbVT82TbdrRv7
09:58 AM rs[m]: just curious, what are you going to do with this machine?
10:00 AM _unreal: its just a standard mill
10:00 AM _unreal: or do you mean WHAT am I'm going to be producing with it?
10:01 AM rs[m]: yes, what are you going to produce?
10:01 AM _unreal: a lot of starboard, and fiberglass parts
10:01 AM _unreal: and a lot of pannels
10:02 AM rs[m]: what is starboard
10:02 AM _unreal: like center console panels with all of the gauges for controlling driving a boat.
10:02 AM _unreal: if you dont know what starboard is your going to love it. I'd SUGGEST getting a sample
10:02 AM _unreal: its HDPE
10:03 AM rs[m]: i know starboard as either cardboard or stand up paddle boards
10:03 AM _unreal: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuUszxKaFziVnQKX9
10:03 AM _unreal: there are some starboard parts in that
10:04 AM _unreal: the spindle dust shoe mount at the bottom of that page is made from starboard, the anchor hanging is pure starboard
10:04 AM _unreal: its chemical stable, uv stable heavy as shit and very strong
10:05 AM rs[m]: HDPE can be tricky to machine
10:06 AM _unreal: not at all
10:06 AM _unreal: what makes you think its tricky?
10:06 AM _unreal: My daughters cnc machine is made of pure HDPE/starboard https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hnd8mD4u5KKsIrPQOX7oN4ZlZ37xEnPs/view?usp=sharing
10:06 AM Tom_L: alot tricker than inconel
10:07 AM rs[m]: _unreal: chips can melt
10:09 AM linuxcnc_: that was odd, I lost all internet for amin
10:09 AM linuxcnc_ is now known as _unreal
10:09 AM _unreal: so ya I've only had a few issues with melting and that was my own fault
10:10 AM _unreal: in general I've never had an issue with starboard. so long as the chips are cleared the chances of having melting are very low
10:10 AM _unreal: and you can run max rpm
10:10 AM _unreal: works best with an up cut bit
10:14 AM _unreal: gmoc loaded
10:15 AM _unreal: hum cant see the bottom of the screen
10:21 AM _unreal: I should get my pendent setup
10:25 AM _unreal: you guys live?
10:26 AM _unreal: trying to figure out how I would go about getting this installed
10:26 AM _unreal: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/xhc-whb04b-6.1.html
10:26 AM _unreal: god I dont want to have to get a different monitor
10:27 AM rs[m]: _unreal: you should charge yourself an hourly rate for you projects, so it becomes easier to decide things like this
10:27 AM rs[m]: _unreal: just sell the screen for usd400 and by 4 full hd new ones
10:27 AM _unreal: haa haa
10:28 AM _unreal: thats just it, I have so much marine stuff I have not been able to sell for months
10:28 AM _unreal: normally I cant hang on to it
10:29 AM _unreal: I got a water launch in Jan... I didnt try to sell it because it was off season. soon as season came in NOTHING
10:29 AM _unreal: criags list, ebay everything
10:29 AM _unreal: few views not a single big of buying interest, I didnt get people trying to beat me up on price
10:29 AM _unreal: just nothing
10:30 AM _unreal: so I'm trying ot figure out how to get that controller installed
10:30 AM rs[m]: it's corona season
10:30 AM _unreal: dont make me grab a PBR
10:32 AM rs[m]: pbr322?
10:34 AM _unreal: https://pabstblueribbon.com/
10:34 AM _unreal: deejay left early
10:35 AM _unreal: so as I said I'm trying to figure out how to setup the MPG I have
10:37 AM _unreal: ?
10:41 AM rs[m]: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/es/man1/xhc-whb04b-6.1.html
10:45 AM Tom_L: loadrt XHC−WHB04B−6
10:45 AM Tom_L: addf XHC−WHB04B−6 servo thread
10:45 AM Tom_L: that loads the component and adds an instance
10:46 AM Tom_L: then figure out your options
10:46 AM Tom_L: in the .hal file
10:51 AM _unreal: loadrt xhc... ? I'm not sure how
10:53 AM rs[m]: i think all i did was copy/paste the hal file from the manpage
11:09 AM _unreal: https://www.dropbox.com/s/1lc05xxaockaepi/MPG%20linuxcnc%20%20xhc-whb04b-4.rar?dl=0&file_subpath=%2FMPG+1+DZI%C5%81AJACY
11:10 AM _unreal: linked from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0EtUzx7bus
11:11 AM _unreal: talking about lcnc and that controller
11:11 AM _unreal: though i have no speakers on this computer :S makes it a bit fun
11:15 AM _unreal: where is andypugh when I need him hehe
11:18 AM rs[m]: youtube, the blessing and the curse of the eternal september
11:18 AM _unreal: ?
11:20 AM Tom_L: ok, brake signal allwired up and working
11:20 AM _unreal: tom, I'm trying to get the MPG setup and working
11:24 AM JT-Shop2: Tom_L: nice, anything left to do?
11:24 AM Tom_L: tune the analog so the spindle speed is right
11:25 AM Tom_L: even though it's not accurate, the encoder follows the spindle so synch still works
11:25 AM Tom_L: i did a rigid tap test yesterday and it looked fine
11:26 AM rs[m]: _unreal: basically it is impossible to help, for what it's worth you could be stuck at unwrapping the pendant from the bubble wrap.
11:27 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, i have a pid set up i can uncomment and test but i may try that think skunkworks mentioned first
11:28 AM Tom_L: s/think/thing
11:30 AM JT-Shop2: what did skunkworks say?
11:35 AM andypugh: _unreal: I have never used one of those MPGs. I don’t really trust USB.
11:36 AM Tom_L: it's a comp andypugh wrote
11:36 AM _unreal: andypugh, I ment more so the video I'm trying to follow is kind of in a different language
11:36 AM Tom_L: for thermocouples etc to linearize them
11:36 AM _unreal: though I have no sound on this computer so eheheh
11:36 AM _unreal: no speakers
11:37 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, i forget the name of the comp
11:38 AM andypugh: _unreal: Well, yes, but not one I speak either.
11:38 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man9/lincurve.9.html
11:38 AM * JT-Shop2 just made a perfect bottom for the box... 1" too narrow
11:38 AM andypugh: And no auto-generated captions either.
11:39 AM Tom_L: woodfiller will fix it!
11:39 AM JT-Shop2: chicken poop dries harder than wood filler lol
11:41 AM JT-Shop2: phipli_: got me the calculation to linearize a led light output... it's pretty cool
11:41 AM Tom_L: waiting for his example. i've not used that comp
11:41 AM JT-Shop2: so I'm adding that to a class to simulate sunrise/sunset inside the coop
11:42 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, just use lincurve :D
11:42 AM JT-Shop2: looks like andypugh wrote lincurve
11:42 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:43 AM * JT-Shop2 changes the table saw blade again...
11:46 AM Tom_L: i need to sit down and chart the requested and actual speeds
11:46 AM Tom_L: andypugh, that comp accepts negative numbers right?
11:46 AM gregcnc: why is there a difference?
11:47 AM andypugh: Tom_L: Which comp?
11:47 AM andypugh: lincurve yes.
11:47 AM Tom_L: lincurve
11:47 AM Tom_L: thanks
11:47 AM Tom_L: gregcnc, if i knew...
11:48 AM Tom_L: i'm using the analog spindle signal from the mesa card
11:48 AM andypugh: Tom_L: Have you seen: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/man/man9/max31855.9.html
11:48 AM Tom_L: no
11:49 AM Tom_L: the requested spedd is a bit low on the low end and high on the upper end
11:50 AM andypugh: Maybe I got the wrong end of the stick, I thought I saw mention of thermocouples.
11:50 AM Tom_L: so S500 might get me 300
11:50 AM Tom_L: ahh, it's all good
11:51 AM Tom_L: andypugh, you probably wrote the comp for them
11:55 AM andypugh: The curse of the 3D printer. “I need to mount this little PCN with no holes to a plate. Let me take an hour to design and print a custom bracket…
12:05 PM Tom_L: andypugh, if you run out of things to do.... you could write a modbus comp for this bldc driver
12:05 PM Tom_L: :D
12:06 PM andypugh: I keep meaning to look at a Modbus comp for the Mesa UART
12:06 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/PDF/BLDC/
12:06 PM Tom_L: google translate did a fair job
12:07 PM andypugh: Have you consided MB2HAL?
12:07 PM Tom_L: i'm using analog right now
12:07 PM Tom_L: and no i haven't
12:08 PM Tom_L: it was more a curiosity than anything. the doc i got didn't mention the RJ45 so i emailed china
12:10 PM Tom_itx: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/310V-1-2kw-electric-motor-1200w_60737993181.html?spm=a2700.7724857.videoBannerStyleB_top.9.32c7751dTHUvzS
12:10 PM Tom_itx: http://en.lanjiukeji.com/product/754.html
12:13 PM andypugh: I would use an STMBL for that.
12:13 PM andypugh: But that’s no good if you don’t have any.
12:13 PM Tom_L: very true
12:16 PM _unreal_: so agravating not having a wide screen
12:16 PM _unreal_: ! I do have a wide screen
12:16 PM _unreal_: sort of now that I think about it
12:16 PM _unreal_: but its a computer
12:17 PM roycroft: i've been thinking about using a smaller display for my linuxcnc machine
12:17 PM _unreal_: I have an HP1155 sitting behind me covered in dust
12:17 PM roycroft: i have a 15" touch screen
12:17 PM roycroft: i'm still having trouble getting the 17" screen calibrated, and before i spend much more time on it i need to decide what to do
12:18 PM roycroft: i like the real estate of the 17", but i lose real estate for other controls if i use the bigger display
12:18 PM _unreal_: what do you guys think? https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c03734752
12:18 PM roycroft: also, the 17" is made to mount in a kiosk, so it would be easy to incorporate in a control panel - it has mounting brackets
12:18 PM roycroft: the 15" is a desktop display that i would have to dismantle and somehow rig up to mount in the panel
12:19 PM _unreal_: roycroft, thats the thing with my 4:3 its designed to be mounted flush
12:19 PM roycroft: both of my touch screen displays are 4:3
12:19 PM _unreal_: IT HAS no back side its designed to only show the front face panel
12:19 PM roycroft: if i were going to use touchy there would be no question - i'd use the 15"
12:19 PM _unreal_: hum
12:20 PM _unreal_: roycroft, what gui are you using?
12:20 PM _unreal_: for lcnc
12:22 PM roycroft: i'm not totally decided, but i'm leaning towards gmoccappy
12:22 PM roycroft: which benefits from a larger size touch screen
12:22 PM roycroft: i may try out the 15" display
12:23 PM roycroft: if i can get the touch screen calibrated on that easily, i can see how gmoccappy works out on it
12:23 PM roycroft: if it works well i'll probably stick with it
12:23 PM roycroft: if not, i can go back to the 17" and continue trying to get the touch screen working
12:24 PM roycroft: i also have a 24" touch screen, but it's a crt, not lcd display
12:24 PM roycroft: i've had that for like 20 years - i bought it when i was developing a kiosk product around the turn of the century
12:24 PM roycroft: i think i paid $1800 for that display at the time
12:25 PM roycroft: it's probably worth $50 now, even though it's in mint condition
12:25 PM roycroft: but i made a profit on the kiosk project, so the investment was worth it
12:26 PM roycroft: it's up in the attic now, and probably too heavy for me to safely bring down on a ladder
12:26 PM roycroft: i was a bit stronger 20 years ago :)
12:29 PM roycroft: alex trebek had died :(
12:34 PM _unreal: we all were a bit stronger 20 years ago
12:34 PM _unreal: this is so frustraiting not having a wide screen
12:35 PM _unreal: I'm tempted to install lcnc on that HP1155
12:37 PM _unreal_: i installed IF I can find my @$#%@%@#$ usb dongle for my keyboard
12:37 PM _unreal_: useless with out it
12:40 PM _unreal: an other great goes to the imortal after life
12:40 PM _unreal: few windy out
01:40 PM _unreal: currently looking for IF I still have it my copy of mach3 full
01:43 PM _unreal: I cant take the risk of SOLVE and setup and install then solve resolve.. I need install and use...
01:47 PM _unreal: when using this machine in a business setting
01:53 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
02:38 PM jymmmm: Stopped snowing, yay
02:39 PM Tom_L: go build a snowman
02:44 PM roycroft: in the meadow?
02:54 PM * JT-Shop2 finally found a GluBot locally
02:57 PM XXCoder: thought you had a 3d printer?
02:58 PM JT-Shop2: I have 2 3d printers
02:58 PM XXCoder: oh i misunderstoof what glubot is then. whats it?
03:00 PM JT-Shop2: can't copy and paste the link so you will have google it
03:00 PM JT-Shop2: mouse broken, keyboard only half works with sawdust I assume
03:01 PM XXCoder: need some more words for google. im getting lots of glue bottles
03:01 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop2, any good at tuning PID?
03:02 PM jdh__: looks like a glue dispenser
03:03 PM XXCoder: https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/4d1ad204-9ec5-4cbd-8db0-da0a042b2719_1.f5e9c02af8ebed9f11a507499f22e89d.jpeg what you mean?
03:03 PM Tom_L: enabling the pid i was using on the sherline works good however if i go from say 5000 rpm and then set S to say 500 it comes to a stop before it can correct it but it does finally get to 500
03:03 PM JT-Shop2: Tom_L: IIRC I did a pid on the CHNC spindle I'll look in a bit when I get this feeder glued up
03:03 PM Tom_L: and vise versa, it overshoots going the other direction but does settle at 5000
03:04 PM Tom_L: but the driver itself has it's own pid built in i'm sure
03:04 PM Tom_L: enabling this one helped alot though
03:04 PM JT-Shop2: I wonder if it's similar to a velocity loop pid? I have instructions on my web site for that
03:04 PM Tom_L: i'm just testing the extremes to make sure it works
03:04 PM Tom_L: yes
03:05 PM Tom_L: the config is on my site, just a sec
03:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SHOP_2.7/new_mill.hal
03:05 PM Tom_L: the pid tuning is at Ln. ~491
03:06 PM XXCoder: hm i skipped couple words lol I meant "is this what you meant by glubot"
03:06 PM XXCoder: (picture above)
03:06 PM JT-Shop2: yea
03:07 PM XXCoder: ok thanks :)
03:35 PM gregcnc: Tom_L is that drive PWM input? I thought you were using analog?
03:35 PM Tom_L: it will do both but i'm using analog from the mesa card
03:36 PM gregcnc: then why PWM gen for spindle?
03:36 PM Tom_L: and aparently it will take 0-5v or 0-10v. i don't know how it tells the difference
03:36 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, that's how mesa does it
03:36 PM Tom_L: to the analog pot out
03:37 PM Tom_L: knowing now what i didn't know then, i probably could have just used pwm out
03:37 PM gregcnc: i don't have any of that in my lathe config
03:37 PM Tom_L: i'm gonna go out in a bit and fiddle with it
03:38 PM Tom_L: it does work alot better with the PID component than without it
03:38 PM Tom_L: it's just a matter of tuning it better
03:38 PM gregcnc: sure
03:38 PM Tom_L: it's currently set for what i had on the sherline motor
03:39 PM JT-Shop: https://dpaste.com/2TWT2ZRTG
03:39 PM JT-Shop: spindle on the Hardinge CHNC
03:40 PM Tom_L: i'm gonna finish this bowl of chicken noodles first though :)
03:40 PM Tom_L: thanks JT
03:40 PM JT-Shop: I hear that, I think I'll have a beer and watch the glue dry
03:40 PM Tom_L: so far everything is working pretty good
03:41 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/index.html
03:41 PM Tom_L: i'm wondering why you used a mult2 component
03:41 PM JT-Shop: there is one for spindle there
03:42 PM Tom_L: yeah, this doesn't use the D term
03:42 PM Tom_L: and i'm not using FF0 but rather FF1
03:42 PM JT-Shop: to convert rps to rpm
03:42 PM Tom_L: don't ask me why
03:42 PM Tom_L: i think peter said to
03:43 PM Tom_L: FF0 does?
03:43 PM JT-Shop: yea Peter is where I got my info from
03:43 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tuning/spindle.html
03:43 PM JT-Shop: looks simple enough
03:43 PM Tom_L: i've got that open
03:44 PM JT-Shop: I'm sure I did the CHNC long before that page was created and for sure it's mostly just a copy of Rob's CHNC in England
03:44 PM gregcnc: I also have FF0 on my lathe. I can't be sure the value hasn't changed, but I know I didn't have to play with it much
03:45 PM gregcnc: I should finish it one day
03:45 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, what's it set to, do you know?
03:45 PM Tom_L: i know every one will be different...
03:46 PM gregcnc: I have a copy of the config on my pc P=50, I=1 FF0=1
03:46 PM Tom_L: i'll try the FF0 instead of FF1 and see what happens
03:47 PM Tom_L: it hits the setpoint now it just way overshoots when you command an extreme change
03:48 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure though, this soup is telling me i might need a nap first
03:50 PM JT-Shop: you make your own chicken soup?
03:50 PM Tom_L: she did yes
03:51 PM Tom_L: so basically your page says to use FF0 & I and not P or D
03:51 PM JT-Shop: have you tried better than bouillon?
03:51 PM JT-Shop: yep
03:51 PM Tom_L: no i haven't
03:52 PM JT-Shop: https://www.betterthanbouillon.com/products/roasted-chicken-base/
03:52 PM JT-Shop: damn that is good in chicken soup
03:53 PM Tom_L: looks yummy
03:53 PM JT-Shop: I make a whole chicken and divide it up into 4 containers then freeze it when I make soup I add a tbls of it
03:53 PM JT-Shop: it's so good
04:34 PM _unreal_: heeh and I thought I was bad when it comes to resisting complexity
04:34 PM _unreal_: my daughter is trying to avoid learning how to use her mini cnc machine
04:36 PM roycroft: hi, folks
04:37 PM roycroft: not knowing how much heat my stepper drivers will make, i ordered a fairly large fan for my controller - 110cfm
04:37 PM roycroft: it just arrived and, unfortunately, it would be a hassle to install
04:38 PM roycroft: the enclosure is 125mm high, and the fan is 120mm
04:38 PM XXCoder: yo
04:38 PM roycroft: i thought i could make it fit without much difficulty but the way the enclosure is constructed that would be difficult
04:38 PM XXCoder: adoptor plate?
04:39 PM roycroft: the next size down that i can find that's of decent quality are 80mm, and the most powerful ones i've found are 54cfm
04:39 PM roycroft: so half of that
04:39 PM roycroft: i don't really have room to mount two fans
04:39 PM XXCoder: yeah thats why im wonderinf if you can design a adoptor plate to fit fan easier
04:39 PM roycroft: i'm going to have up to 4 gecko 201x drivers
04:39 PM roycroft: i'd rather not do that, xxcoder
04:40 PM roycroft: i am already making a new rear panel for the enclosure that's heavier than what came with it
04:40 PM roycroft: but the new one is only 16ga
04:40 PM JT-Shop2: are the 201's mounted on a heat sink?
04:40 PM roycroft: if i mount the fan directly on it i should be fine
04:40 PM XXCoder: other way is setup big heat sinks on them, and have fan blow into grooves
04:40 PM roycroft: they will be
04:40 PM roycroft: and i have not located anything yet
04:40 PM _unreal_: roycroft, what is your motor rated for?
04:41 PM roycroft: my plan is to mount the drives right by the fan
04:41 PM CaptHindsight: you decide but cooler the better
04:41 PM roycroft: off to the side
04:41 PM roycroft: the side of the enclosure has some vent holes
04:41 PM roycroft: and i don't think i need to worry about cooling anything else inside the enclosure
04:41 PM JT-Shop2: IIRC I put a CPU fan on the heat sink but I'd have to look to be sure that was 12 years ago
04:41 PM _unreal_: cooler the better but... a good chopper drive, nether the driver or the motor should get burning hot
04:41 PM roycroft: so i can put a baffle in the enclousure to direct the air through the drives/heat sinks and out the side
04:42 PM roycroft: i'll have some small power supplies in the enclosure as well - 5v and 24v
04:42 PM roycroft: but they'll be low current
04:42 PM roycroft: and a couple contactors
04:42 PM roycroft: and a 7i76
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: what is the overall size of the cabinet?
04:43 PM roycroft: it's 19" wide, 13" deep, and 3u high
04:43 PM roycroft: it's actually more like 18" wide
04:43 PM roycroft: it fits in a standard 19" rack
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: not attractive bu the fan can be mounted outside the enclosure or inside with the baffles
04:44 PM roycroft: yes, i'm going to mount it on the outside
04:44 PM roycroft: that's not the issue
04:44 PM roycroft: it's the height of the fan
04:44 PM roycroft: the total height of the enclosure is 125mm
04:44 PM roycroft: the fan i got is 120mm
04:45 PM roycroft: but the enclosure top has a lip that hangs over the back to attach it
04:45 PM roycroft: and i'd have to hack that away to mount the fan on the back
04:45 PM _unreal_: hehe my daughter is very mad I'm making her learn the control software
04:45 PM _unreal_: for her machine
04:45 PM roycroft: i'd rather not do that - it would be a hassle, it would look nasty, and it would make removal/replacement of the top more difficult
04:46 PM CaptHindsight: and the problem with mounting the fan inside the enclosure is?
04:46 PM roycroft: the enclosure should be 133mm high, but it's 125mm high
04:46 PM roycroft: the same problem, but not as bad
04:46 PM roycroft: i might be able to do it with some flat head screws
04:48 PM roycroft: i don't even know if 110cfm is correct for this
04:48 PM roycroft: i know that's a lot of air - i have some other 110cfm fans and they move quite a bit of air
04:48 PM roycroft: 54cfm may be plenty
04:48 PM roycroft: i just don't know how hot the gecko drives will get
04:48 PM _unreal_: roycroft, steppers dont get burning hot unless they are being over driven
04:48 PM CaptHindsight: either should be enough
04:48 PM _unreal_: current settings too high
04:49 PM _unreal_: servos on the other hand can get HOT
04:49 PM roycroft: i'm going to try to avoid that, _unreal_
04:49 PM roycroft: so it sounds like i'll probably be ok with the smaller fan
04:49 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Wathai-12038-120mm-Cooling-Airflow/dp/B07S3FN1KG
04:49 PM _unreal_: roy if your driving your motors with the propper current. they should only get worm to the touch
04:50 PM _unreal_: 115F range3
04:50 PM roycroft: ok, then i should be fine
04:50 PM _unreal_: maybe 145f
04:50 PM _unreal_: if the motors are too hot to touch your current settings are WAY to high
04:50 PM CaptHindsight: the steppers will get warm, not so much the drives
04:50 PM roycroft: capthindsight: i have a bunch of those exact same fans in my primary server rack cabinet
04:51 PM _unreal_: My nema34 motor gets hot but I can always put a hand on it period
04:51 PM roycroft: 16 of them, to be exact
04:51 PM roycroft: they work great
04:51 PM roycroft: that rack is really noisy though, even though the individual fans are not all that noisy
04:51 PM roycroft: 16 fans + the servers and their fans and hard drives makes for a lot of noise
04:51 PM _unreal_: regardless roycroft if steppers are to hot to touch, they are being over driven and are likely destroying the magnets
04:51 PM _unreal_: err magnet
04:52 PM roycroft: i'm thinking that i should be fine with the 80mm fans
04:52 PM roycroft: er fan
04:52 PM roycroft: since there will be 1 of them
04:52 PM roycroft: i'll give that a go
04:52 PM _unreal_: by to much power damaging the magnetic field
04:52 PM JT-Shop2: roycroft: what moisture percent is good to start processing
04:52 PM _unreal_: roycroft, what is the operating temp of your motors?
04:52 PM roycroft: processing wood?
04:52 PM _unreal_: or what motors do you have
04:53 PM * JT-Shop2 grabbed a slab of oak off the pile and it's 12%
04:53 PM roycroft: that depends on your climate, and whether the work is going to live outside or inside
04:53 PM JT-Shop2: making chicken furniture
04:53 PM roycroft: 6-8% is ideal for a dry climate and indoor use
04:53 PM roycroft: 12% is fine for outdoors
04:53 PM JT-Shop2: outdoors
04:53 PM JT-Shop2: thanks
04:53 PM roycroft: then you're good to go
04:54 PM roycroft: i don't know offhand, unreal_
04:54 PM roycroft: i'll check to see if that's in the spec
04:54 PM roycroft: but the motors will not be inside the enclosure
04:54 PM roycroft: so that shouldn't matter when it comes to cooling the enclosure
04:55 PM JT-Shop2: my 2x12x12 syp is 9.5%, need to collect a few more
04:55 PM roycroft: the motor spec says temperature rise: 80c max
04:56 PM roycroft: if i'm making furniture i want the wood to be about 6% if possible
04:56 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: just for reference a 355 cu in engine at 5500 rpm will require 480CFM :)
04:56 PM roycroft: ambient temperature for the motors is -10 to +50 degrees
04:56 PM JT-Shop2: thanks
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: so even if the 110CFM fan is choked to half 55cfm that is a lot or air flow
04:57 PM * roycroft thinks he'll be fine with an 80mm fan
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: if you know the size of the enclosure openings you can compute the rough air flow across the heatsinks
04:59 PM roycroft: i'll probably mount the drives in pairs on heat sinks, with the fins oriented longitudinally
04:59 PM roycroft: and align the heat sinks perpendicular to the fan
04:59 PM roycroft: and right by the fan
04:59 PM roycroft: so it will be blowing air along the fins
05:03 PM roycroft: i'll have to measure them
05:03 PM roycroft: i can make those openings larger if necessary to maximise air flow
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: perform a test, place the drives inside the enclosure with the mounted temporarily and run them for 15-30 minutes...
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: monitor the temp and it sounds like you should be well under the max temp for the drives
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: run the motors at a 50% duty cycle
05:07 PM roycroft: i could do that
05:07 PM roycroft: but not for quite a while
05:07 PM CaptHindsight: then you'll really know
05:07 PM roycroft: since i've not even finished the design of the electronics yet
05:07 PM roycroft: nor do i have all the components i'll need
05:08 PM roycroft: an email to gecko might enlighten me
05:08 PM roycroft: i'm sure i wouldn't be the first person to ask them about it
05:08 PM roycroft: and i'm sure they'd be happy to help me keep their drivers cool
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: with laminar airflow over the heatsinks it will make them transfer heat at ~4x vs natural convection
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: with turbulent flow ~3x
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.geckodrive.com/support/proper-heatsinking.html
05:09 PM CaptHindsight: pretty dumbed down
05:09 PM roycroft: yup
05:10 PM roycroft: but actually that's very useful
05:10 PM roycroft: my motors max out at 4.2a
05:11 PM roycroft: if they say i don't even need a heat sink unless i'm pushing 3.5a through them, then it's likely that with a heat sink they can handle 4.2a with just convection cooling over the heat sinks
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: so yours will just last longed since they are kept cooler
05:11 PM roycroft: yes
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: 30 years vs 10 years
05:11 PM roycroft: so until i'm sure i'm dead instead of when i might be dead :)
05:11 PM _unreal_: roycroft, as I said a good chopper drive does NOT get hot
05:12 PM _unreal_: oonly the motors get worm and if they are run at there rated power they will not over heat or come even close
05:12 PM CaptHindsight: you never know, plan for the worst, expect even worse
05:12 PM roycroft: this is not going to be a production machine that's running at 100% duty cycle 15 hours/day
05:12 PM roycroft: 16
05:12 PM roycroft: famous last words, of course
05:13 PM roycroft: but i'll put it this way
05:13 PM _unreal_: 16 HAAA production machines typically are 24/7
05:13 PM roycroft: if it does turn out to be a production situation i'll probably get a more capable machine and move the production work to that
05:13 PM _unreal_: so I apear to have misplaced my usb wireless keyboard dongles for 2 keyboards
05:14 PM _unreal_: this is a problem
05:14 PM andypugh: This project is turning out nearly as complex as a CNC: https://photos.app.goo.gl/XXsGzuyt97MR5qRZ6
05:14 PM _unreal_: ! found one
05:14 PM XXCoder: fancy
05:14 PM andypugh: There are 19 connectors around the perimiter.
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: what is it controlling?
05:15 PM roycroft: hvac control?
05:16 PM andypugh: Well, H control
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: which little microcontroller board is that?
05:17 PM * roycroft heads to jerry's
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: I have some of those same relay boards
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: i bought a bunch to just have around for prototyping
05:18 PM andypugh: CaptHindsight: It’s an ESP32.
05:18 PM CaptHindsight: ah
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: looked familiar
05:19 PM andypugh: So it runs a web interface to the heater almost out of the box: https://github.com/andypugh/ESP-Heat
05:19 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: I was just thinking about something similar earlier today
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: and also to control home appliances like a fridge/cooler
05:24 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
05:25 PM andypugh: I had mine up on the public web for a bit, but it’s a bit too much trouble to put it back now the hardware is all in the box
05:25 PM linuxcnc_ is now known as _unreal
05:26 PM _unreal: ok found that keyboard dongle
05:26 PM _unreal: just got that HP1155 BOOTED up
05:26 PM _unreal: not sure if it would be a good substatute?
05:26 PM _unreal: dual core amd, onboard SMI ati video video card
05:26 PM _unreal: it has win10 installed. and 6gb ram
05:27 PM _unreal: toying with testing LCNC on it
06:52 PM linuxcnc_ is now known as _unreal
06:53 PM _unreal: storm is starting to get interesting in my area
06:53 PM _unreal: lots of rain
07:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Spindle/Belt_Guard1.jpg
07:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Spindle/Belt_Guard2.jpg
07:17 PM Tom_L: safety safety
07:17 PM Tom_L: PID is working pretty good
07:17 PM Tom_L: i may spend a bit more time on it one of these days
07:20 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: Awesome!
07:20 PM Tom_L: so it cuts like a mofo :)
07:21 PM Tom_L: i'm so used to the motor bogging down when i try a semi hefty cut
07:21 PM Tom_L: it still overshoots a bit when i give it extreme changes but it's pretty good
07:22 PM Tom_L: oddly i used FF0 FF1 & I
07:22 PM Tom_L: P seemed too finiky
07:23 PM _unreal: spindle guard? no your cheatijng
07:23 PM _unreal: now your cheating
07:25 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, just a place to set my beer can
07:31 PM Tom_L: time to reset the router
07:42 PM XXCoder: man you missed so much
07:42 PM XXCoder: clog left, returned, then you returned! man
07:43 PM Tom_L: well i think the mill is darn near completed
07:43 PM XXCoder: awesome
07:43 PM XXCoder: if its like art, its never completed, just left to work on other projects ;)
07:54 PM jymmmm: lol
08:58 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, ever sell your vactra 2?
08:59 PM XXCoder: nah i planned to post at work but i got laid off too early lol
08:59 PM XXCoder: posting it now sounds desperate for money
08:59 PM XXCoder: why?
08:59 PM Tom_L: just wondered
08:59 PM XXCoder: surpised someone remembered lol
09:01 PM Tom_L: bumped a wire when i was working in the cabinet and the pendant speed select quit
09:01 PM Tom_L: one of the DB25 wires got bumped aparently
09:01 PM XXCoder: hope its break at one of ends, not middle of wire break
09:02 PM Tom_L: it's fixed now
09:02 PM XXCoder: whew though it comes up as question relibility of that connection?
09:02 PM Tom_L: at first i thought it was an IO because it wasn't changing in hal show
09:03 PM Tom_L: naw i had several connectors unscrewed when i was adding the wires to the VFD
09:03 PM Tom_L: i think i pinched a couple wires together on the DB25
09:03 PM XXCoder: doh
09:04 PM XXCoder: in least its easily done and dont need changes
09:04 PM Tom_L: after i'd already swapped IO pins and found out that wasn't it
09:05 PM XXCoder: lol fun
09:05 PM XXCoder: it has something like that. always check plug and wall first if it dont turn on :)
09:06 PM XXCoder: though i once had that when i was helping a friend
09:06 PM XXCoder: i saw uit was plugged into strip. ok thats fine
09:06 PM XXCoder: looked though computer. looks fine but doesnt turn on
09:06 PM XXCoder: as i was testing plug power with lamp i notice strip is plugged to itself
09:06 PM Tom_L: :)
09:08 PM XXCoder: been a while lol
09:09 PM XXCoder: last time i went to help someone fix computer was over 10 years ago now
09:09 PM XXCoder: yeah i recall weird physics when walking to school in snow. uphill both ways
09:09 PM XXCoder: ;)
09:12 PM jymmmm: XXCoder: That's called a human hamster wheel
09:12 PM XXCoder: really? oh well
09:28 PM _unreal_: My god its comming down
09:28 PM _unreal_: rain
09:29 PM roycroft: eta rain?
09:29 PM roycroft: pre-eta rain, rather?
09:30 PM unterhaus: they make led rings for car headlights that look like they might fit around a mill spindle
09:30 PM XXCoder: i saw similiar rings for different use though forgot what its not for car
09:31 PM XXCoder: i did wonder about using it for spindle area lighting
09:31 PM _unreal_: ya
09:31 PM JavaBean: they also sell those "ring lights" for photography. might be cheaper, don't know
09:32 PM unterhaus: I was just looking at ring lights, they are cheaper. Unless you have 4 milling machines
09:33 PM XXCoder: ah yes! for pictures yeah
09:33 PM unterhaus: I probably could figure out how to use four lights. They are called angel eyes or halo for car headlights
09:34 PM Tom_L: you can get them for binocular scopes too
09:35 PM unterhaus: google suppressing anything useful as far as "binocular scope light"
09:36 PM Tom_L: https://www.amscope.com/accessories/illuminator/ring-lights.html
09:37 PM Tom_L: dunno how "mill" proof they are
09:37 PM unterhaus: microscope light
09:37 PM XXCoder: isnt chips usuall go out not upwards?
09:37 PM unterhaus: I think they are too small for a bridgeport
09:37 PM XXCoder: few exceoptuon
09:38 PM roycroft: coolant goes everywhere
09:38 PM roycroft: and it can send the chips everywhere
09:38 PM unterhaus: I was thinking about making one from edge lit outdoor led strips
09:38 PM XXCoder: yeah, and if not made well lights can break
09:39 PM unterhaus: that should be an advantage for the car headlight rings
09:39 PM XXCoder: i have 2 very expensive cbc lighting solutions shop i worked at swapped broken glass tube with crap plastic tubes and they keep breaking
09:39 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, they go everywhere
09:39 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: yeah majority just go sidewats though
09:39 PM JavaBean: chips are like glitter
09:39 PM _unreal_: good lord thats a lot ofrain
09:39 PM XXCoder: java powder chips is bad for tool
09:40 PM JavaBean: i didn't say powder chips
09:40 PM JavaBean: chips are like glitter in that they show up in places you didn't realize they could get to. and show up in places you just cleaned
09:41 PM XXCoder: ah yea its annoying
09:41 PM _unreal_: so I have lost every single USB cable I have again
09:41 PM _unreal_: sigh
09:44 PM unterhaus: side emitting led strips apparently aren't too popular
09:46 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/led_top.jpg
09:46 PM Tom_L: those are all side
09:46 PM Rab: unterhaus, there seems to be plenty on eBay.
09:46 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/scope/led_harness_on.jpg
09:47 PM XXCoder: its installed now? or still making it?
09:47 PM Tom_L: me?
09:47 PM XXCoder: yeh
09:47 PM Tom_L: i never used that
09:47 PM XXCoder: oh
09:47 PM Tom_L: i had a few hundred of those leds and a friend sent me the boards
10:38 PM unterhaus: someone on FB just posted that gcode can only work with a 3 axis machine
10:38 PM XXCoder: what
10:39 PM XXCoder: i certainly ran machines with more than 3 axis with gcode lol
10:54 PM unterhaus: I just can't imagine where someone would get that idea
10:57 PM XXCoder: certainly very strange
10:57 PM XXCoder: i wonder if someone heard "this gcode cant be ran on this lathe because it needs 3 axis" and misunderstood it as 3 axis only for gcode
11:01 PM unterhaus: they clarified later, they meant grbl
11:02 PM XXCoder: ah grbl is 2 axis if i recall right
11:02 PM XXCoder: usually for laser
11:02 PM unterhaus: it's three
11:02 PM unterhaus: and a proto-4th
11:02 PM XXCoder: hm ok heh
11:02 PM unterhaus: but can't do 4 axis
11:03 PM unterhaus: I think the best you can do is drive 2 axes the same
11:04 PM unterhaus: I wanted to use one as a general motion control to move 4 axes and that would require some work because it wouldn't fit
11:05 PM XXCoder: grbl is fairly heavly limited for usage as mill or something
11:05 PM XXCoder: not sure what your plans is
11:05 PM unterhaus: I just wanted to send g code and move something
11:06 PM XXCoder: hmm 4 "axis" you making a robo dog? ;)
11:06 PM unterhaus: didn't really need to be coordinated motion at all
11:07 PM unterhaus: it was an industrial machine, open a door, load something, etc. All could be done serially
11:07 PM XXCoder: you could automate one of em with other
11:07 PM XXCoder: ie start load mode it opens door
11:07 PM XXCoder: no gcode for door, just signal
11:07 PM XXCoder: it just moves door till it hits switch and stop
11:07 PM unterhaus: well, a grbl with a stepper shield costs $35
11:08 PM unterhaus: so I can just buy another
11:08 PM XXCoder: that way you has 3 steppers for other actions
11:08 PM unterhaus: whole project fell through
11:08 PM XXCoder: dor dont even need stepper, can just use motor since switch can cut it once it arrives open or close
11:18 PM unterhaus: true, but steppers are cheap and I have an arduino with 4 stepper drivers on it
11:19 PM XXCoder: true