#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 31 2020
#linuxcnc Calendar
01:49 AM Deejay: moin
04:55 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:56 AM XXCoder: hey jt
04:57 AM XXCoder: check out the video https://youtu.be/RMlk5r-k8_o
04:57 AM XXCoder: its short if youre worried about data
04:57 AM JT-Cave: unmetered between 4am and 8am
04:57 AM XXCoder: no worries then heh
04:58 AM JT-Cave: and on top of that end of month
05:01 AM XXCoder: anyway its bit funny
05:01 AM JT-Cave: I have 4.7 GB of data to use today lol
05:03 AM XXCoder: that squarrel is annoying
05:03 AM XXCoder: its been digging into trash
05:04 AM JT-Cave: damn covid is on an upward rate here
05:04 AM XXCoder: yeah 9 million in usa now
05:04 AM XXCoder: and no action
05:04 AM XXCoder: speeding car has no driver
05:05 AM XXCoder: today I found one of friends had best friend die
05:05 AM JT-Cave: 3% of the state has it
05:05 AM XXCoder: and other one that was unable to talk with anyone, deaf and no interpeter for couple weeks before she died
05:05 AM JT-Cave: damn
05:06 AM XXCoder: yeah. covid is not flu and im sick of people saying it is. nor is it a myth
05:06 AM JT-Cave: the problem here is a lot of people don't think it's real
05:07 AM JT-Cave: wife had one positive in her office, but she is in a different room so we hope only the other girl might have it as they sat very close to each other
05:08 AM JT-Cave: there is only 4 people in that office...
05:08 AM XXCoder: i dont know how long and how many people get sidck before people realize that yes, it is plague
05:08 AM XXCoder: :(
05:08 AM XXCoder: masks?
05:08 AM JT-Cave: I don't know what they do
05:09 AM JT-Cave: we both wear masks at any stores
05:09 AM XXCoder: i wear em also. wa state, in least west side, seem to be pretty good on wearing masks also
05:09 AM XXCoder: i rarely see bare face when at store
05:10 AM JT-Cave: most people wear masks at big stores but you still see some with their mask only covering the mouth or have it pulled down etc. I just go the other way
05:10 AM XXCoder: nose and maskbeard
05:11 AM XXCoder: pretty rare in here, if i go store 100 people is in, maybe 2 or 3 are those.
05:11 AM XXCoder: once a while, barefaced
05:12 AM XXCoder: seen anyone acting dumb, like using lady underwear as mask?
05:12 AM XXCoder: havent seen any myself but then i dont shop at walmart either
05:23 AM JT-Cave: not seen anyone acting stupid only bare faced or covered faces
05:24 AM XXCoder: its been months. i guess stupid burnt out
05:25 AM XXCoder: at early days of plague, 20% of people didnt wear masks at stores
05:25 AM XXCoder: its been getting rare since
05:25 AM XXCoder: wa went from state #1 hot center to 25th something last i looked. not sure what it is like now
05:26 AM JT-Cave: not sure what position mo is in
05:26 AM JT-Cave: 3% of the state has tested positive
05:27 AM XXCoder: 6 millon in mo
05:27 AM XXCoder: thats one city in wa or ny heh
05:27 AM XXCoder: no, not wa state city but certainly nyc. 8 million
05:28 AM JT-Cave: only 32,000 in the county I live in
05:29 AM XXCoder: 216k in tacoma
05:30 AM XXCoder: 904k in pierce county
05:32 AM XXCoder: still, 3% isnt good
05:34 AM XXCoder: wa state data shows 40-60 age people 9% death rate. ouch. im 44
05:36 AM JT-Cave: most of the deaths in mo are => 80 years old
05:36 AM XXCoder: yeah 35% for 60 to 75, 53% for above
05:36 AM XXCoder: nuts
05:37 AM JT-Cave: most of the cases are 18-24 year old stupid kids
05:37 AM XXCoder: thats not great chances for my mom. shes 70
05:38 AM JT-Cave: so stupid kids spread it like wildfire and old people get it and die
05:38 AM XXCoder: yeah :(
05:38 AM XXCoder: theres bunch of aftereffects for kids too
05:38 AM XXCoder: lower chance of death, but increased chance of ligering health issues for life
05:38 AM XXCoder: i have had ligering health issues all my life, it sucks.
05:51 AM JT-Cave: yea that sucks
06:02 AM JT-Cave: an hour before dawn and Queen Victoria is in the nest box as usual
06:06 AM XXCoder: :)
06:11 AM Tom_L: morning
06:11 AM JT-Cave: morning
06:11 AM XXCoder: yo
07:00 AM jymmmm: Morning
07:41 AM * JT-Cave cleans chicken poop with haste when it's close to freezing outside
07:49 AM jymmmm: JT I don't envy you
07:52 AM jymmmm: JT You could wait till it warms up a bit, I don't think the poop is in any hurry
08:00 AM JT-Cave: I like to do it first thing in the morning
08:05 AM jymmmm: Gotcha
08:06 AM jymmmm: JT CNC poop sweeper?
08:30 AM veegee: XXCoder I gave you a "like"
08:30 AM veegee: lol
08:31 AM veegee: JT-Cave that reminds me, I need to build that beach sand cleaner before next summer
08:31 AM veegee: toronto's main beach has too much broken glass and random stuff in the sand
09:18 AM JT-Cave: I have thought of one...
09:26 AM sensille: does this look like the correct height? https://i.imgur.com/GACx5S3.jpg
09:26 AM gregcnc: close enough
09:26 AM gregcnc: how far is that blade sticking out?
09:27 AM sensille: this is what happened: https://photos.app.goo.gl/eYfUjd4e2qkwdwWx5
09:27 AM gregcnc: what is the material?
09:28 AM sensille: S235 steel
09:31 AM gregcnc: is that the lowest speed?
09:32 AM sensille: no, that was 300RPM, in the lower range of that gearing, but i can go to a lower gear
09:34 AM gregcnc: as slow as possible. reduce tool stickout to just make the cut.
09:34 AM gregcnc: how wide is that tool?
09:36 AM gregcnc: chatter indicates a problem. could be just feed and speed, but could also be setup.
09:37 AM sensille: as low as 50RPM?
09:38 AM JT-Cave: and loose gibs
09:38 AM sensille: 3,2mm wide
09:38 AM sensille: i also have a 2mm wide one with carbide insert
09:39 AM gregcnc: once you get chatter on the material surface, it needs a deep cut to not repeat it like playing a record
09:39 AM gregcnc: often with a different speed.
09:39 AM gregcnc: especially for parting you want to make sure you don't get chatter
09:40 AM gregcnc: do you have a photo of this setup from the tailstock end?
09:40 AM sensille: i can set it up again, sec
09:41 AM gregcnc: poor grip on the material in the chuck. anythign that allows movement is a problem
09:42 AM gregcnc: everything is a spring
09:43 AM gregcnc: I think you would certainly have better luck with the 2mm tool, but it depends if it's sharp or has honed edges
09:43 AM sensille: https://i.imgur.com/740fFna.jpg
09:44 AM sensille: both tools are new
09:44 AM sensille: the 2mm one still unused
09:45 AM gregcnc: sharp in the sense that the insert was designed to be sharp. carbide inserts for steel production aren't sharp in that sense
09:45 AM gregcnc: I would also start by playing with some aluminum rod
09:47 AM sensille: okay, i'll do that on my next try. with the carbide insert or the HSS? and in a lower gear
09:47 AM gregcnc: chatter is brutal on cutting edges especially sharp edges
09:47 AM gregcnc: for aluminum hss will be fine
09:49 AM sensille: I only have 10mm al rods, but i'll try. thanks for the hints
09:56 AM sensille: at 50RPM in al it was absolutely no problem. yielded one large chip
10:00 AM sensille: so now maybe steel again, with less stickout at 50RPM
10:38 AM sensille: at least parting is much less scary at 50RPM. got stuck again several times, even when the tool is too high
10:39 AM sensille: but after sharpening it even yielded real chip, never seen that before in steel
10:39 AM sensille: still got stuck after a while, though :(
11:17 AM roycroft: good morning, folks
11:18 AM roycroft: being frustrated with the schematic diagram software i'm putting it aside for a bit and moving on to something else - some kind of enclosure for my mill
11:19 AM roycroft: i would very strongly prefer not to have to build a big, completely water tight enclosure with a drain and recirculation pump
11:20 AM roycroft: assuming i'll mostly be milling aluminium parts, and the occasional small steel parts, would a mist coolant system likely be adequate?
11:20 AM roycroft: or is a full flood coolant system essential?
11:20 AM roycroft: a mist coolant system would simplify the enclosure needs by quite a bit
11:36 AM JT-Cave: on my BP I don't use any coolant at all
11:37 AM JT-Cave: many of my insert cutters if you use coolant you will put micro fractures in the insert and ruin them fast
11:37 AM roycroft: do you use air to keep the chips out of the way?
11:37 AM JT-Cave: only when slotting
11:38 AM roycroft: when i was taking machining classes i was taught that with carbide cutters one either runs them dry or with flood coolant
11:38 AM JT-Cave: if your removing enough of a chip the part does not get hot
11:38 AM roycroft: no in between
11:38 AM JT-Cave: depends on the insert really
11:38 AM roycroft: they don't handle thermal stress well
11:38 AM JT-Cave: exactly
11:39 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, what's max rpm on your mill?
11:39 AM roycroft: i'll probably be using hss tooling for the most part
11:39 AM roycroft: at least for a while
11:40 AM JT-Cave: which one?
11:40 AM Tom_L: either/both?
11:40 AM Tom_L: trying to decide what pulleys to get here
11:41 AM Tom_L: 1:1 would be ~5600 but i'm thinking i may step the spindle up a small ammount
11:41 AM JT-Cave: let me see what they are
11:41 AM Tom_L: so approx 6400 or so
11:42 AM Tom_L: most shops here use high speed spindles
11:43 AM Tom_L: comes a point you need better tooling for the higher speeds
11:45 AM JT-Shop: the BP knee mill is 4200 but I don't ever run it that high
11:46 AM Tom_L: with what i currently have, on aluminum i'll typically run around 4k
11:46 AM JT-Shop: the VMC is 6000 and I have ran it that fast on occasion but not often
11:46 AM Tom_L: that's about what i figured
11:46 AM Tom_L: i'm getting 2 pulley sets to try
11:47 AM Tom_L: 1:1 and 1:1.15ish which will top around 6400
11:47 AM JT-Shop: I typically don't worry about rpm on end mills I just make sure my chip load it right
11:48 AM JT-Shop: with bigger shell mills I make sure the SFM is within reason for the diameter or just run it slow lol
11:48 AM Tom_L: yep
11:48 AM Tom_L: i've got some slitting saws i haven't been able to use
11:48 AM Tom_L: hopefully they'll do ok now
11:48 AM JT-Shop: if I was running production it would be a different story
11:48 AM Tom_L: same here
11:48 AM JT-Shop: not enough power?
11:48 AM Tom_L: nope
11:49 AM JT-Shop: or can't go slow enough?
11:49 AM Tom_L: going from ~200w to 1.2kw
11:49 AM Tom_L: no power at those slow speeds
11:49 AM JT-Shop: yea
11:49 AM Tom_L: and the PID just winds up and goes nuts
11:49 AM JT-Shop: I can count the number of times I've use a slitting saw on one hand I think
11:50 AM Tom_L: i had a tiny one i used to test the rotary head
11:50 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/rotary/RotaryTest3.jpg
11:51 AM Tom_L: just messin around
11:53 AM Tom_L: back when i ran the multi spindles, one had a slitting saw attachment that spun with the bar to put the slot in while turning
11:53 AM roycroft: i've had poor experiences with slitting saws
11:53 AM roycroft: i think a machine needs to be quite rigid for one to work well
11:53 AM Tom_L: for a screwdriver slot
11:54 AM roycroft: they seem to bind easily, and break easily
11:54 AM Tom_L: ppl tend to feed them wrong too
11:54 AM roycroft: i won't discount operator error as the culprit in my case :)
11:55 AM Tom_L: i did a bunch of slotted stainless parts
11:55 AM Tom_L: with a rotary on a tiny Fadal
12:24 PM sensille: gregcnc: i can see the toolpost moving with the carbite insert tool :( https://photos.app.goo.gl/baTKNSmsZW2xWzdWA
12:24 PM sensille: so it is probably not sharp
12:42 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, did you see the link I posted last night?
12:43 PM Tom_L: nope
12:46 PM JT-Cave: wow that is loose
12:46 PM _unreal_: hay Tom_L https://www.ebay.com/i/174158586878?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=174158586878&targetid=935694487826&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012053&poi=&campaignid=10460107182&mkgroupid=106723174507&rlsatarget=pla-935694487826&abcId=2146001&merchantid=113678557&gclid=CjwKCAjw8-78BRA0EiwAFUw8LB45qgbqJMUUM4fce6bq8sgoskAK657JIfOvNT823aH2M-Y69FJxlBoCdy8QAvD_BwE
12:46 PM _unreal_: DD8727T3V1
12:47 PM _unreal_: I hate to stick with the same controller but its the only one I have found that has 2(+) controllers on one board same form factor
12:47 PM _unreal_: as the current standard motor controllers I have
12:47 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, acts like the rear bolt isn't tight
12:47 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to find a non 1 month order
12:48 PM JT-Cave: I could not tell but it ain't going to part off like that
12:48 PM Tom_L: geckos ship right away :)
12:48 PM Tom_L: nope
12:48 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, i couldn't tell if the whold post moved or just the holder
12:49 PM Tom_L: even the plexi flexes
12:49 PM Tom_L: the whole axis is moving
12:50 PM Tom_L: replay at .06 and watch the plexi
12:50 PM _unreal_: I dont have the money and I need two controllers on one card
12:50 PM Tom_L: dude's got a big problem
12:51 PM _unreal_: that one controller gives me my replacement drivers and the extra one Ineed in one package
12:51 PM Tom_L: they look pretty light weight
12:51 PM _unreal_: also what is interesting. it uses ceramic resistors as the sense resistors
12:51 PM _unreal_: its the same controller
12:52 PM Tom_L: they might be 1% ceramic
12:52 PM _unreal_: I ran the working ones last night for 2 hours straight
12:52 PM _unreal_: stone cold to the touch
12:52 PM _unreal_: the motors were worm
12:52 PM _unreal_: and i was running at the MAX I dared to speed wise
12:52 PM Tom_L: steppers will get hotter standing still
12:52 PM JT-Cave: yea the whole tool holder is moving
12:53 PM Tom_L: tighten the gibs
12:53 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I know but these motor controllers auto shut down when not reciving signal
12:53 PM JT-Cave: I can't see the X slide move just the tool holder
12:53 PM Tom_L: or something
12:53 PM _unreal_: and there is no way to turn it off
12:53 PM Tom_L: JT-Cave, the plexi is mounted to the slide
12:53 PM JT-Cave: cross slide may be loose
12:53 PM Tom_L: it's pretty easy to see there
12:53 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, so I have to keep them moving
12:54 PM _unreal_: its like .5 seconds of idle and they go to low power mode, 25 or 50% power
12:54 PM * JT-Cave is over due for his weekend nap
12:54 PM jymmmm: Ok, this has got to be the best policy ever...
12:54 PM jymmmm: Our BMS policy is quite simple:
12:54 PM jymmmm: If you need help, I will help.
12:54 PM jymmmm: If it isn’t working right I will replace it.
12:54 PM jymmmm: If it’s totally fried I will refund your money.
12:54 PM jymmmm: This includes anything you did to break it.
12:54 PM * Tom_L agrees
12:54 PM _unreal_: also Tom_L what was fucking me up so bad was the enable does not work at alllll
12:54 PM _unreal_: I have to ground both leads of the enable pins.
12:55 PM jymmmm: JT Bonus Halloween nap
12:55 PM _unreal_: if enable see's any signal it fucks up the controller and the controller starts doing weird shit and the chopper starts having issue
12:55 PM _unreal_: issues
12:55 PM _unreal_: making odd chopping sounds
12:56 PM _unreal_: I have to just send step signals
12:56 PM _unreal_: and the controllers enable
12:56 PM jymmmm: ChopOMatic, by Ronco... It dices... it slices...
12:56 PM _unreal_: stop sending stepping signals wait .5 seconds and they go into a pre set low power mode 25% or 50%
12:56 PM _unreal_: its weird
12:56 PM _unreal_: but they do work
12:58 PM _unreal_: leaving in a few min to go drop my daughter off to a halloween party
12:58 PM _unreal_: :)
12:58 PM _unreal_: she's being a BAT this year
12:58 PM _unreal_: AND she made her bat ears using her little cnc machine
12:58 PM _unreal_: with some help of corse
12:59 PM _unreal_: BUT SHE all by her self converted a bat ear image to an SVG and we then converted the SVG to cam
12:59 PM _unreal_: o:)
12:59 PM sensille: JT-Cave, Tom_L: so i completely fixed to the cross slide via the preload screws now and the plexi stops moving. also clamped down the tool much harder and now i can nearly part in one go. i hope i can find a preload setting which still allows moving the slide
01:00 PM _unreal_: ok back in 10min
01:07 PM _unreal_: ok
01:07 PM _unreal_: small child is off having fun
01:08 PM JavaBean: and "not so small" child?
01:08 PM _unreal_: if I'm playing with my cnc I'm having fun
01:08 PM _unreal_: ;)
01:09 PM JavaBean: atleast you let "not so small" child out to play when small child is away!
01:09 PM _unreal_: heh
01:09 PM _unreal_: ya... well this is going to be a SHIT halloween
01:09 PM _unreal_: raining
01:09 PM _unreal_: never rains on halloween
01:10 PM _unreal_: hardly anyone has put up halloween stuff
01:10 PM JavaBean: trick or treat was canceled in my area... sad, at the house in town i was staying at they would ask after my landlord every year
01:11 PM _unreal_: over the fake virus sigh....
01:11 PM _unreal_: er let me correct my self...
01:11 PM _unreal_: over the "PANIC" NOT the so called pandemic
01:12 PM _unreal_: well I guess I'm going to order that drive via amazon
01:13 PM _unreal_: oat least I have some $ protections. I can not find it in any way that I could get it in anything less then a month
01:13 PM _unreal_: standard shipping :(
01:14 PM _unreal_: GOD I really wish that second drive had not gotten fucked up
01:14 PM gregcnc: sensille that is a serious mechanical problem. check the gibs on the compound
01:14 PM _unreal_: blows my mind. that there is a massive CODING difference between the windows and linux ersions of bcnc
01:14 PM _unreal_: huh?'
01:15 PM _unreal_: ahh...
01:15 PM _unreal_: god if I had only known
01:16 PM _unreal_: going to switch over to the LCNC machine
01:16 PM * JavaBean waves
01:16 PM gregcnc: ahh I see he got some advice
01:17 PM gregcnc: halloween, what's that?
01:18 PM JavaBean: the one day of the year "door to door" people can reasonably expect everyond to answer the door
01:30 PM _unreal: working on correcting wires and getting the mesa setup again
01:31 PM _unreal: now that I know what was causing all of the carnage :(
01:31 PM _unreal: btw fxce how do I get rid of the menu bar at the bottom of the screen?
01:31 PM _unreal: remove i totally
01:34 PM _unreal: got it
01:37 PM _unreal: ?
01:38 PM _unreal: JavaBean, I like that answer
01:49 PM ve7it: _unreal, good afternoon.... what was the latest carnage report? did you figure out the issue with the stepper drivers?
01:49 PM _unreal: yes.. they are cheap chines BS
01:50 PM _unreal: but they do work after a bit of errrr and trial
01:50 PM _unreal: the enable is broken from factory
01:50 PM _unreal: if I use it, it causes them to become unstable and the chopper drive fucks up
01:50 PM _unreal: basiclly the momment they are powered they are ON
01:51 PM _unreal: if I send step commands they enable to full power. if they idle for .5 seconds they go into a preset low power mode
01:51 PM _unreal: thats why I could never get them working before
01:51 PM _unreal: but the blowing up on too high a step rate was a shocker as well
01:52 PM _unreal: so right now I'm working on re-wiring the only two working controllers I have back upto the mesa and putting the entire thing back together
01:52 PM _unreal: so I can at least XY the machine
01:53 PM _unreal_: DD8727T3V1
01:53 PM _unreal: and I'll be ordering a replacement one of these
01:54 PM _unreal: that will give me my two DOA drives AND the extra so I have all 5 controllers
01:54 PM _unreal: for xyz AB
01:54 PM _unreal: I'm still shocked
01:55 PM _unreal: at the total lack of info on those controllers
01:55 PM ve7it: I have been bitten by the low power mode... I have ball screws on my mill and when cutting a large circle in steel, the axis that stops at each quarter of the circle would drop to low power and be pushed out of position due to cutting forces.
01:55 PM _unreal: I may do a large write up on CNCZONE.COM on them
01:55 PM _unreal: ya...
01:55 PM gregcnc: is anyone else having trouble running these drives fast?
01:55 PM _unreal: which drives? the one's I have?
01:56 PM gregcnc: yes
01:56 PM _unreal: if so I dont know I have not found much on line for peole talking about them
01:56 PM _unreal: have not done a great deal of research ether. just total lack of time
01:56 PM _unreal: been doing a lot of OT at work
01:56 PM gregcnc: i doubt the step rate is the issue
01:56 PM _unreal: I agree
01:57 PM _unreal: i DID drop the micro stepping down to 1/2 stepping
01:57 PM gregcnc: then what is?
01:57 PM _unreal: so I could test high speed movement since testing with the arduino is limited in pulse rate
01:58 PM _unreal: so I wonder if these drives want to have the micro stepping at high htz
01:58 PM _unreal: Hz
01:58 PM _unreal: and dont handle high hz with low micro stepping well
01:59 PM _unreal: meaning I'm guessing they want to ring down the mag. field in the motor coils rather then just DUMP the coil going to the next step.
01:59 PM _unreal: so if thats the case then I should be able to hit ? 34Khz
02:00 PM _unreal: to get the same sep rate at 1/8 micro stepping
02:00 PM _unreal: same SAFE step rate
02:00 PM _unreal: and getting high rpm
02:02 PM gregcnc: have never seen a drive where that was a limitation
02:02 PM _unreal: same here
02:02 PM _unreal: so I could get 4000mm/min thats 157" per min
02:03 PM _unreal: not bad
02:04 PM _unreal: I'll prob knock it down to 3500mm to be safe
02:06 PM _unreal: so if I'm doing my math right it should take 5.2 seconds running at 4000mm/min to get from one end to the other?
02:06 PM _unreal: naa that seems a bit fast
02:06 PM _unreal: I have 30" of total travel on the Y
02:07 PM _unreal: 157"/min max rapid
02:07 PM _unreal: trying to solve for time taken to travel 30"
02:08 PM _unreal: ? hum
02:08 PM _unreal: that cant be right? 5.2 seconds. I remember it taking longer
02:08 PM _unreal: then again that was half stepping
02:08 PM _unreal: I dont know
02:09 PM gregcnc: 30"/157"/min=.191min*60 sec = 11.5 sec
02:11 PM _unreal: that sounds more like it
02:12 PM _unreal: not bad for lead screw driven
02:15 PM JT-Cave: sensille, on my manual lathe I have to lock down the cross slide gibs to part after that I have to adjust them back
02:24 PM _unreal: agany... ok re-wiring done. now time to start tossing hardware back in
02:25 PM _unreal: ! after I tape the unused enable wires down out of the way
02:26 PM _unreal: ve7it, I dont think I'll get bitten by the low power mode. not using threaded rod anyways :)
02:27 PM _unreal: even low power is enough lock to keep the threaded rod from moving and even then I'd likely rip out the HDPE nut before it foreced it to rotate
02:27 PM _unreal: the threaded rod
03:10 PM sensille: JT-Cave: good to know. so it's not completely uncommon
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: BOOOOOOOO!!!!
04:02 PM _unreal: JESUS dont scare me like that
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: happy Halloween!!
04:03 PM * JavaBean decides to post something to give some unreal nightmares
04:03 PM JavaBean: https://i.redd.it/16se7twxufw51.png
04:04 PM _unreal: 59 fps? its been a while since i was big on gaming so I dont get it
04:05 PM JavaBean: on a 60hz screen you would get distracting amounts of "screen tearing"
04:06 PM _unreal: I never realy had to deal with screen tearing it was more slow FPS if then anything
04:07 PM _unreal: then again the last time I was big on gaming was when the geforce3 was BIG
04:08 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/gallery/T2dZPvb teasing a robot
04:09 PM _unreal: I'm preping to solder my limit switch wires on
04:09 PM _unreal: err
04:09 PM _unreal: limit/signal wires to my connectors
04:32 PM Deejay: gn8
04:36 PM veegee: Are there NEMA standards for small brushless motors (~5kW)?
04:36 PM veegee: I'm currently looking at RC hobby brushless motors.
04:48 PM _unreal: GOD soldering telephone cord sucks
04:48 PM _unreal: RC motor standards are different
04:48 PM _unreal: BUT they are standardized
04:48 PM _unreal: veegee, they are a great choise BUT
04:48 PM _unreal: GEAR the shit out of them
04:48 PM _unreal: rc hobby brushless motors are stupid powerful
04:48 PM _unreal: but they expect to spin a fan on them selfs
04:48 PM veegee: Well there are these low KV motors: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-sk8-6374-149kv-sensored-brushless-motor-14p.html?queryID=debb348131c82c5afea0806df50bba3d&objectID=74469&indexName=hbk_live_magento_en_us_products
04:48 PM _unreal: 150KV good choice
04:48 PM _unreal: err wait a sec
04:50 PM veegee: not as a servo
04:50 PM veegee: for a hydraulic pump
04:51 PM _unreal: ok..?
04:51 PM _unreal: ehh
04:52 PM _unreal: what kind of torque do you need?
04:53 PM _unreal: again that motor expects to run around 7200 RPM range
04:53 PM _unreal: check its torque curve
04:53 PM _unreal: so I'm assuming your pump runs around 3000 rpm
04:54 PM _unreal: which would make for a nice 2:1 ratio
04:54 PM veegee: Yeah, whatever torque it provides at 7000 RPM is fine
04:55 PM veegee: 7000 RPM, > 2kW is fine
04:56 PM veegee: This is entirely because NEMA induction motors weigh > 50 lbs for a 2kW motor
04:57 PM veegee: For a portable unit, it's not practical
04:57 PM XXCoder: veegee: lol thanks
04:59 PM _unreal: ? portable lol
04:59 PM _unreal: what are you trying to drive?
05:00 PM _unreal: or what is the end result
05:00 PM veegee: end result is always just for fun
05:00 PM veegee: but this time, synchronized hydraulic cylinders
05:01 PM veegee: so a small gear pump should be good to keep the load low
05:04 PM Tom_L: you don't want a 50lb motor?
05:12 PM _unreal: done finally XYZ signal wires are done finallyyy!!!!!
05:13 PM Tom_L: but do they work?
05:13 PM _unreal: I still have to wire them to the quick connector for the mesa but thats simple. it was the soldering to these 8 conductor connectors that was a POS
05:13 PM _unreal: yes
05:13 PM _unreal: should anyways
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/yTcMBkn welding shield included with welder
05:14 PM _unreal: all soldered and hot glued
05:14 PM _unreal: My bigger fear would be a cold solder joint with a resin ball
05:14 PM _unreal: I've done that a few times
05:14 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, what more do you need?
05:15 PM _unreal: perfect looking solder joint but had rosin breaking the contact
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: doesn't even come with a strap, so no hands free
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: still working on the TIG operation for that
05:19 PM _unreal: so I wonder if tonght is going to be all hallows not so EVVVENTFUL...
05:19 PM t4nk_freenode: you still have to power up them there wires of yours buddy..
05:19 PM t4nk_freenode: be patient ;)
05:22 PM t4nk_freenode: hehe.. let's hope you don't get a phone-call while you're operating it!
05:23 PM _unreal: now now... its a cnc machine not an answering machine
05:23 PM t4nk_freenode: but it's glued together with phone wire
05:24 PM _unreal: can you hear me now?
05:24 PM t4nk_freenode: barely... but it'll have to do
05:26 PM Tom_L: i like the pin drop one better
05:26 PM _unreal: t4nk_freenode, may not know what we are talking about
05:26 PM _unreal: euro
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05:53 PM t4nk_freenode: no I don't indeed :|
06:05 PM _unreal: t4nk_freenode, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPwPo-IAQ-E
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06:37 PM _unreal: ok....
06:38 PM _unreal: the working 2 motor controlers are mounted again..
06:40 PM _unreal: mesa is mounted again
06:40 PM _unreal: now solving for limit switch wiring
06:41 PM JavaBean: you can do it, just gotta have faith in yourself... might be hard for you though, you to are human afterall
07:05 PM t4nk_freenode: ??
07:05 PM t4nk_freenode: he is??
07:06 PM t4nk_freenode: which two btw?
07:30 PM t4nk_freenode: well, it's been roughly an hour since you started solving... got an update for us, _unreal?
07:30 PM t4nk_freenode: smokey smokey??
08:36 PM X704 is now known as tiwake
08:39 PM JavaBean: probably put the "not so small" child to bed
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08:49 PM * JavaBean waves at the cave dweller, notes that its sleeping time
08:49 PM XXCoder: yo
08:50 PM XXCoder: think jt is having internet access issues
08:51 PM JavaBean: well peer disconnected him about 2hours ago... you don't normally get a irc client that autologins you back in after that long.... though i admit i recombobulated mine to never give up
08:52 PM XXCoder: my client is set to never try reconnect
09:01 PM _unreal: JT-Shop, can you hear me now?
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09:06 PM droid3: got a curious question why is it that 3d printing a 3d model is just pretty much take the .stl file over to the 3d printer and start printing
09:06 PM droid3: where as if you designing a part to be milled out on a cnc machine like a lathe, milling, drill ,..etc non-3d printer based cnc machine
09:06 PM * JavaBean snickers rather loudly as he remembers a 'subtle' system that had a 'subtle' read recipt setup... such a good story
09:07 PM droid3: it takes a shit ton of more stuff like CAM and gcode etc
09:08 PM droid3: basically why i am curious once you made models why is there CAM / gcode part where as for 3d printers it seems like the 3d printers do all the work?
09:08 PM CaptHindsight: machining includes different materials
09:08 PM droid3: It seems the 3d printers have all the CAM / gcode built-in and you have no worries
09:08 PM CaptHindsight: and also different types of cutting tools
09:08 PM t4nk_freenode: the slicer actually does the work for 3d printing
09:09 PM CaptHindsight: with more advanced than CNC glue gun printers there is CAM as well
09:09 PM droid3: but the other cnc machines when you get an .obj , .stl ...etc you have to go thru the additional steps of CAM program that generates the gcode which runs on the native cnc machine
09:09 PM CaptHindsight: the sliocer in toy cnc glue guns
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09:09 PM CaptHindsight: a toy cnc glue gun will have only one size nozzle and one type of filament
09:10 PM CaptHindsight: don't confuse this with real additive manufacturing machines
09:10 PM droid3: "machining includes different materials" ya obviously and different tools but how does that affect the over all model you made interms of having to go over and do CAM and gcode stuff where as when you got a 3d printer it just works with the .stl
09:10 PM CaptHindsight: you need to under stand how machining works
09:10 PM droid3: for example why didnt the machinist think to do the equivalent of what a 3d printer does interms of handleing the CAM /gcode so you just need the .stl
09:11 PM droid3: thats all i am curious about
09:11 PM CaptHindsight: different tools use different feed rates and depth
09:11 PM CaptHindsight: and you can choose from a near infinite type of cutting tool
09:11 PM droid3: ya and thats all in the gcode
09:11 PM norias: droid3: this has been considered
09:11 PM norias: droid3: basically, it's a more complex system
09:12 PM norias: therefore, you need more information
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: same is actually true for glue gun printers only they have dumbed it down for you
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: slicers don't optimize the print g-code
09:12 PM droid3: what i am getting at is if one creates a model in blender for movies/animation what does it take for that same .stl file to beable to work with non-3d printer cnc based machines
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: for one you'll not use STL
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: STL converts geometry into triangles
09:13 PM norias: droid3: i mean, hypothetically you could make it work
09:13 PM droid3: so why cannt they dumbed it down for the other cnc machines why just for 3d printers
09:13 PM norias: but it would be very suboptimal
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: because CNC machinists don't want it dumbed down
09:13 PM droid3: i just set .stl but i could export it to any format
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09:14 PM droid3: why the f not why cannt they add the CAM /gcode part all to the cnc machines themselve in the firmware so then everything is portable????
09:14 PM CaptHindsight: why two different shops with the same machines will make parts differently and one better than the other or much faster than the other
09:14 PM XXCoder: JT-Cave: you have internet issues
09:14 PM droid3: it just seems 3d printers are made that way and no other cnc machines
09:15 PM t4nk_freenode: euh
09:15 PM norias: droid3: more complex system
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: because cnc glue gun developers are mostly ignorant of how machines operate
09:15 PM droid3: not if they have the same program and same machine and same materials it should come out exact... other then the lack of ability by the operator making mistakes or such
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: inexperienced developers that just charge in and learn the hard way vs ask
09:16 PM norias: droid3: not necessarily
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: i don't expect you to understand how cutting tools behave
09:16 PM norias: droid3: spindle bearing wear differently, which leads to different harmonics
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: why you are oversimplifying and see why it matters
09:16 PM norias: that's currently being studying at Oak Ridge National Laboratories
09:17 PM CaptHindsight: why 3d printer software mostly sucks
09:17 PM norias: two brand new machines, with two brand new tools, set up exactly the same
09:17 PM norias: should get the same results
09:17 PM norias: any deviation from that, will be different
09:17 PM CaptHindsight: and good software tends to be proprietary and written for one manufacturers machine
09:18 PM CaptHindsight: but setup won't be exactly the same
09:18 PM droid3: well i just thought because building a model from scratch for movie animation purposes is pretty challenging ... i think you want it portable to the most machines.... for example if one makes a model it can be printed as a figurine/toy , or manufacture as an engineering part...etc
09:18 PM CaptHindsight: different tooling
09:19 PM droid3: rather then have to relearn where all the buttons are in didnt cnc software like solidworks , revit , blender , maya ,...etc
09:19 PM norias: droid3: nice idea, but reality/ physics / economics tends to get in the way
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: different choices in feeds and speeds
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: how much overlap per pass
09:19 PM t4nk_freenode: it'll always be a custom job.
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: different choice in which size tools to use for the passes
09:19 PM droid3: because once you know how 3d programing works you should need to reinvent the wheel and learn tons of different cad programs ultimately producing the same end .stl file
09:20 PM droid3: so if i have a .obj , .stl ,...etc file for one purpose is there always a slicer/CAM program i can find for any specific machine i want to manufacture it on???
09:20 PM droid3: thats my end goal
09:21 PM norias: droid3: you will only find frustration
09:21 PM droid3: i dont want to design one 3d model pop out a .stl output file then find or shit it only works for 3d printers or movies and not going to beable to be fabbed out on a lathe or milling machine
09:21 PM droid3: without me rewritting the 3d model in solidworks or revit instead of blender
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: maybe learn more about how machines and machining works first
09:22 PM norias: the closest thing we have is Step-NC which really hasn't been widely adopted / implemented
09:22 PM droid3: So then you kind of have to focus on 3d cad programs and designing for a specific purpose you cannt do it all for everything at once.
09:22 PM droid3: you have to kind of learn new software for different cnc machines when you need those specific cnc machines to fab out on or have somebody with experience doing it for that system
09:23 PM roycroft: two brief observations:
09:23 PM CaptHindsight: it's been evolving for >100 years
09:23 PM norias: droid3: there's a necessary separation, here. There's design intent, and manufacturing process
09:23 PM roycroft: 1. generating the gcode to make a part on a particular machine is a function of your cam software, not your cad software
09:23 PM norias: droid3: in theory, they are black boxes to each other
09:23 PM droid3: ya i understand you have the CAD design part and the CAM manufacturing side
09:24 PM roycroft: and 2. desigining a part that can be manufactured using multiple technologies is not simple and usually not possible with a single design
09:24 PM droid3: but it just seems once you do the CAD design with which ever software you like be it blender , maya, solidworks , revit ,...etc
09:24 PM CaptHindsight: the best designs will be by those that understand both sides
09:24 PM droid3: it should be portable for the CAM part
09:24 PM roycroft: the processes required in additive processes are quite differnt to subtractive processes
09:25 PM roycroft: you have to know how your part is going to be manufactured when you design it
09:25 PM droid3: Ok darn i would have thought programmers/engineers would have designed it for portablity
09:25 PM droid3: like xml is portable
09:25 PM CaptHindsight: it's usually to keep their job and make the manager happy
09:26 PM norias: droid3: it's just more complicated than you realize.
09:26 PM CaptHindsight: not some universal goal to make the universe a better place for everyone
09:26 PM droid3: why would you want the CAD top design layer not to be portable its the CAM/gcode part thats specific more to the particular machine and in certain case in the simple 3d printer case can be embedded on the firmware of the 3d printer so you dont have to think about even the CAM level
09:27 PM roycroft: if you don't understand the manufacturing process that will be used to make your parts many of your designs will be impossible to manufacture
09:27 PM CaptHindsight: droid3: you'll have every machine maker fighting to set the standard
09:27 PM norias: droid3: those are very simplified / non optimized cases
09:27 PM droid3: Cannt be more complicated then the asshole world and the ability not to have access to everything
09:27 PM Tom_L: most good cad is commercial and everyone has their idea of how it should be
09:27 PM droid3: then all show you how truely easy everything is that people believe to be so difficult
09:27 PM CaptHindsight: how does it make ME more money and let ME control you?
09:28 PM droid3: ya but there ideas arent my ideas hence not probably right
09:28 PM Tom_L: so go write your own
09:28 PM CaptHindsight: not invented here is another problem
09:28 PM roycroft: what was that and how was i lucky enough to miss most of it?
09:29 PM norias: lol
09:29 PM Tom_L: you didn't miss a thing
09:29 PM norias: wilfull ignorance?
09:29 PM CaptHindsight: spend at least a few years learning how all this works before you reinvent it
09:30 PM CaptHindsight: or not like #reprap
09:30 PM norias: to be fair
09:30 PM norias: i don't know dick about 3d printers
09:30 PM CaptHindsight: what an incredible waster of soo much time
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: "i just wanted to learn how 3d printers work" is fair enough
09:31 PM Tom_L: good i tuned in late ehh?
09:31 PM roycroft: i showed up at the very end of whatever that was
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: what with you two drama queens tonight? :)
09:31 PM roycroft: but it appears to be a person who has watched too much star trek and demands that the real world operate just like star trek
09:31 PM roycroft: "computer, build me a mousetrap!"
09:31 PM roycroft: and a mousetrap magically appears
09:32 PM norias: roycroft: even in star trek, the shit breaks and doesn't work
09:32 PM Tom_L: shhh don't spoil it...
09:32 PM roycroft: that's because scottie needs some job security
09:33 PM norias: scottie probably is just throwing some wooden shoes in the works here and there
09:33 PM roycroft: aye, a clever engineer he was
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09:34 PM norias: these sort of things are why i decided to go to school for computer science
09:35 PM Tom_L: drdoc, please keep it out of the developement channel
09:35 PM norias: ?
09:35 PM roycroft: well droid3 at least had enough sense to leave when the channel did not accede to all demands that impossible things become reality instantly
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: if everyone just agrees to just buy my machines I'll volunteer to write it all
09:40 PM norias: CaptHindsight: brilliant idea
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: you watch a few videos of a CNC machine at it makes sense
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: it just cuts vs puts
09:41 PM XXCoder: i guess droid3 never worked for professional cnc shop
09:41 PM roycroft: i really need to invest some time working on 3d printer
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: so same software
09:41 PM roycroft: i have a big job for it that is going to take months
09:41 PM XXCoder: expecially ones with older machines
09:41 PM roycroft: and i've not proceeded with it in like 3 months
09:41 PM roycroft: the longer i wait the longer it will take
09:42 PM roycroft: i might have to buy another one to speed things up
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.autodesk.com/products/netfabb/overview
09:43 PM XXCoder: any of you ever developed a plugin for firefox?
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: autodesk has this for 3d printing since there is suck a void in the good 3d printer software world
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: heh suck/such
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09:45 PM JavaBean: https://twitter.com/gdimeweather/status/1322626842147328000 anyone know someone in that area?
09:46 PM roycroft: i missed of what droid3 said, but the gist of it that i caught is a desire to design random parts and have some universal software that will automagically generate the code required to manufacture the part on any kind of machine
09:49 PM Tom_L: roycroft, you can pick it up in the devel channel cause he's ranting over there now
09:49 PM roycroft: i'm really not interested enough
09:50 PM roycroft: but thanks
09:50 PM Tom_L: i just wish he's shut up
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: he just doesn't know what he doesn't know yet
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: give him some time
09:50 PM Tom_L: but why take it to the devel channel?
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: and yeah ask and then shut up
09:51 PM XXCoder: geez.
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: self important maybe
09:52 PM unterhaus: take it the the ml, where such talk has a ready fanbase
09:53 PM CaptHindsight: several possible theory's, he's the smartest Borat in his village
09:53 PM CaptHindsight: or just socially awkward
09:53 PM XXCoder: may be actually mover and shaker on regular job but that dont translate well
09:54 PM CaptHindsight: down at the bowling alley rent a shoe dept?
09:55 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: dod they still flog children for asking questions and then not waiting for answers in univ?
09:55 PM Tom_L: too confusing
09:56 PM CaptHindsight: do/dod
09:57 PM unterhaus: devs don't need that stuff, someone boot him
09:57 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/gallery/HEb2zmo like this guy
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09:59 PM Tom_L: unterhaus, nobody has the authority that is awake that i'm aware of
09:59 PM Tom_L: and i don't think i've ever seen anyone get booted in either channel
10:00 PM XXCoder: i dont think we have any ops now
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: nah they just let them wear themselves out
10:00 PM unterhaus: no adult supervision?
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: like a toddler having a meltdown
10:00 PM unterhaus: there was actually a long discussion on the lcnc discord
10:00 PM XXCoder: lcnc discord exists?
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: maybe thats why his nick is familiar
10:01 PM unterhaus: ya
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: it's busy at times as well
10:01 PM XXCoder: no result found
10:01 PM unterhaus: no, he's not the droid you're thinking about
10:02 PM Tom_L: hah
10:02 PM XXCoder: someone pm me a link?
10:03 PM Tom_L: i think i hurt his feelings
10:04 PM _unreal: would be nice if I wasnt trying to rebuild my wiring harness since switchin from the servo to the stepper setup :(
10:04 PM _unreal: at this point X and Y limit switches are now wired in
10:04 PM _unreal: other then connecting TO the mesa board its self
10:04 PM _unreal: but kind of wish the input headers had a 5v signal on them instead of just a grd
10:06 PM unterhaus: is this link any good? https://discord.com/channels/570415950495481859/570415951020032013
10:06 PM Tom_L: it loads if that's what you mean
10:07 PM unterhaus: he found it
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/32-documents/36295-linuxcnc-discord-for-chat-support?start=10#131716
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://discord.gg/X3zKzhc
10:08 PM unterhaus: the hazzy discord is really interesting
10:08 PM unterhaus: I see why the kids like it, easy to post a pic
10:08 PM Tom_L: do you use riot for it?
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: I just don't understand how such a helpful young man would get so upset about hearing answers to his questions
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: IF you can rember where the ML discussions are then when this comes again you can just post the link
10:13 PM CaptHindsight: only reason why i went so far with the trolls last time
10:13 PM unterhaus: what's his username on discord?
10:13 PM unterhaus: scrolling back don't see any druids
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: it looked familiar, but is not him
10:15 PM CaptHindsight: on Discord how are you supposed to know which channel/server gave you an audible bleep if you are in 50+ servers?
10:16 PM unterhaus: I don't know, i got a beep and turned my sound off
10:16 PM XXCoder: im deaf
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: I have had to silence near all since was near constant when I first joined
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: hah
10:16 PM XXCoder: you can turn notification off on all
10:16 PM XXCoder: i do, excpt for @everyone and @mynick
10:16 PM roycroft: is discord the development channel?
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: but what is the intended use if it just goes bloop but you don't know where it came from?
10:17 PM unterhaus: no, there is an irc channel, linuxcnc-devel
10:17 PM roycroft: oh, ok
10:17 PM roycroft: i've never been on discord
10:17 PM roycroft: it appears to be web-based
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: some discord servers have multiple channels if that is what they call them
10:18 PM unterhaus: that's a cute little probe that arland has
10:18 PM CaptHindsight: Linuxcnc has general, meta, welcome and log
10:18 PM unterhaus: that druid guy should go to town in meta
10:19 PM roycroft: someone should probably tell droid3 to shut up until the person is potty trained
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: is this the norm now in college discussion during class?
10:19 PM XXCoder: roycroft: discord is ok. not expecially good but not expecially bad either
10:20 PM XXCoder: im on 15 servers, one being my own (it only has mee6 bot and myself, for learning how server works)
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: we were more civil my 2nd grade
10:20 PM roycroft: a web browser doesn't seem to be a good interface for having a discussion
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: my/by
10:20 PM roycroft: you were hopefully potty trained by the 2nd grade
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: i think many like it since you can post links and images
10:21 PM unterhaus: I never had any problems with any students, but my experience is pretty limited
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: and the discussion stays in the channel even when you leave
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: so when you log in again the entire discussion while you were gone is there with pics and links, sounds etc
10:22 PM XXCoder: yepo thats biggest postive
10:22 PM unterhaus: it's a bit useless though, except for wasting a lot of time reading vaguely interesting stuff
10:22 PM XXCoder: can instantly post pictures. you can copy paste image directly into discord for one
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: sort of like friendfacebook
10:23 PM unterhaus: FB has an algorithm to hide things you aren't interested in and showing you stuff you've seen 50 times before
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: handy to manipulate
10:23 PM unterhaus: it's amazing they are successful
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: er indoctrinate
10:23 PM unterhaus: sorry they hide the stuff that you are interested in
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: i really have always disliked it
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: I do have some accounts from way back with silly names that never got flagged
10:24 PM unterhaus: although they fixed the part where if you click something and then hit the back key now it goes to where you were
10:25 PM unterhaus: used to be clicking on something and then going back went to somewhere else random
10:25 PM roycroft: i had a bad premonition about facebook when it first started
10:25 PM roycroft: and it's turned out to be even worse than i feared
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: yes
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: I see that older people jumped ship a few years ago
10:26 PM unterhaus: my account is pretty well curated and I so I like it but feel guilty about that
10:26 PM roycroft: i haven't jumped ship
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: but it gets new people to join and stay all the time
10:26 PM roycroft: because i never got on board in the first place
10:26 PM unterhaus: ad blockers work great on fb
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: old accounts with family pics that just go quiet about 4-8 years ago
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: when it came out that facebook was tracking everyone
10:27 PM roycroft: it's another one of those technologies that had great potential but society were not ready for it
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: really no kidding, next yer gonna tell me that Google does similar :)
10:27 PM unterhaus: they track you even if you donthave an account
10:27 PM roycroft: i blame internet users for not being able to handle facebook responsibly
10:27 PM unterhaus: I have an add-in called FB purity that is great
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: I get tired of coming up with fake info for new accounts to new social media
10:28 PM unterhaus: they let you wipe stuff easily, like all the people that said they have a business connection
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: the gullible
10:28 PM unterhaus: realtor must have shared our info
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: oh and linkedIn
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: another great worthless site
10:29 PM roycroft: and i blame zuckerberg for being a greedy jerk and trying to force people to disconnect their brains for a little facebook bling
10:29 PM unterhaus: if you want a really worthless site that wants to be facebook, researchgate
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: good thing I'm still an 87 yo lion tamer from Nairobi
10:30 PM unterhaus: I was a batch of dead people on fb, but then I felt guilty about that
10:30 PM unterhaus: what if someone came looking for the dead person?
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: oh yeah, been there
10:30 PM roycroft: i'm tired of chartered accountancy, personally
10:30 PM roycroft: i always wanted to be a lion tamer
10:30 PM unterhaus: i just don't tell fb any of that stuff now
10:31 PM unterhaus: they do cry about it
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: retired circus flipper boy
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: add some more info!
10:31 PM XXCoder: retired retired people manager
10:31 PM unterhaus: it makes me happy to see there is no info
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: ok, I like shoes, favorite color is plaid
10:32 PM unterhaus: I want to be able to set researchgate so they don't tell me if someone from a loser school cites my paper
10:32 PM CaptHindsight: big fan of blood kept inside of people and easy to breath air
10:33 PM roycroft: and now republicans in texas have sued to throw away 100,000 votes in harris county
10:33 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: are you published? what did you publish? do you perform research? etc etc
10:33 PM unterhaus: the work I did with the mining school gets all sorts of weird citations
10:33 PM XXCoder: another rally, another thousands people stuck at rally unable to go to cars
10:33 PM roycroft: claiming that drive-through voting, a plan fully vetted and approved by the secretary of state, is illegal and does not meet the standards of curbside voting
10:33 PM unterhaus: usually I do people's experiments, so I'm on a lot of papers
10:34 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: saw that earlier but staying out of the political news until next week
10:34 PM roycroft: i'm trying not to talk about it much
10:34 PM unterhaus: yeah, I can't believe they will throw out those votes, but I'm ignoring it for now
10:34 PM CaptHindsight: no big deal
10:34 PM roycroft: but this is another case in support of the president's wise words
10:34 PM roycroft: "if democrats are allowed to vote republicans won't win"
10:34 PM roycroft: it's the only smart thing he's ever said :)
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: he's no better than the Liar on SNL, but less funny
10:35 PM roycroft: anyway, sorry about that
10:35 PM roycroft: i just read it and could not help but react
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: 4 years of his crap
10:35 PM unterhaus: that particular news got me off of twitter for now
10:36 PM CaptHindsight: felt the same way after cheny, was glad to have a leader that spoke in complete sentences again
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: i recall the drama back in 2000
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: what waste of news watching time
10:37 PM XXCoder: cheny?
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: Cheney
10:38 PM CaptHindsight: and his front man Bush
10:38 PM XXCoder: ah yeah
10:38 PM CaptHindsight: sad to see we have topped that madness
10:38 PM XXCoder: yeah
10:39 PM unterhaus: at least Trump left a buttload of his supporters without transportation again
10:39 PM roycroft: i've not been following the news all day
10:39 PM roycroft: i just read that
10:39 PM XXCoder: it harms usa when person who has belief that law dont matter is elected
10:39 PM unterhaus: butler pa
10:39 PM roycroft: yes, i also read about that too, unterhous
10:39 PM roycroft: e
10:39 PM roycroft: haus, rather
10:39 PM roycroft: not only did he strand them
10:39 PM XXCoder: nobody deserves being at risk like that. not even rabid trump supporters
10:40 PM unterhaus: they know he doesn't pay his bills
10:40 PM roycroft: the stranded trump supports set up a roadblock and stopped the biden campaing bus
10:40 PM roycroft: biden had to cancel an event because of that
10:40 PM XXCoder: that one angered me. i mean, police did nothing.
10:40 PM unterhaus: it was Harris, I believe
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: texas road block
10:40 PM XXCoder: not a roadblock but trucks
10:40 PM XXCoder: with people with weapons
10:40 PM roycroft: no, neither candidate were on the bus
10:40 PM roycroft: wendy davis was
10:40 PM unterhaus: okay
10:40 PM roycroft: but it was the official campaign bus
10:41 PM unterhaus: need a cowcatcher on that thing
10:41 PM roycroft: or we need to get back to civil discourse?
10:41 PM unterhaus: good luck with that
10:41 PM roycroft: i know that's a revolutionary concept these days
10:42 PM CaptHindsight: the news media is also a bit too complicit in there constant coverage of nonsense that comes out of his mouth
10:42 PM unterhaus: they are self-progagandizing themeselves nowadays
10:42 PM CaptHindsight: there/their
10:42 PM roycroft: no argument there
10:42 PM unterhaus: a friend came into work and his assistant was crying about the wayfair child cabinets
10:43 PM roycroft: and while i'm not one to dump on cnn like certain parties do, the problem with the media is in large part due to cnn
10:43 PM roycroft: not by intent
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: blanket statement could just be "more crazy shit was said today, will keep you posted of any real news"
10:43 PM roycroft: but prior to cnn's existence, the electronic news media were loss leaders for the networks
10:43 PM roycroft: they were funded as a public service
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: the laws changed on reporting news
10:43 PM roycroft: but cnn made it a commercial enterprise
10:44 PM roycroft: and the traditional networks followed suit
10:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine
10:44 PM roycroft: that and the changes in fcc regulations about station ownership
10:45 PM CaptHindsight: just a small fractions of the real news researchers that we used to have
10:45 PM roycroft: sinclair broadcasting should not exist
10:45 PM unterhaus: fairness doctrine doesn't apply to cable
10:45 PM unterhaus: I do think they need to re-apply to broadcast though
10:45 PM CaptHindsight: not sure if watergate would happen today but the NYT did find his tax records :)
10:46 PM unterhaus: yeah, they don't have the heart to really do a good job like watergate
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: I hear that there is a push against Murdoch in Australia now
10:46 PM unterhaus: I like the wapo, but they didn't really dig out all his obvious corruption
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: why I dropped my subscriptions
10:46 PM unterhaus: or rather, they only covered the most obvious corruption
10:46 PM roycroft: anyway
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: reason: lack of any real news
10:47 PM roycroft: it's bad enough that there are all these last minute changes in voting regulations
10:47 PM roycroft: but to discard votes after the fact
10:47 PM roycroft: that's a whole different level of horror
10:47 PM roycroft: if those 100,000 people cast their votes legally at the time they should not be thrown out later
10:47 PM CaptHindsight: well stop bringing a pillow to a gun fight
10:47 PM unterhaus: bill barr has protestors outside his house because he didn't arrest biden
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: how i felt about obama often
10:48 PM roycroft: that does not surprise me, unterhaus
10:48 PM unterhaus: of course, Barr is dead from covid
10:48 PM unterhaus: so he doesn't care
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: I did notice the lack of bullets on the shelves at Walmart earlier
10:49 PM roycroft: republicans are horrible about policy but good about politics
10:49 PM roycroft: democrats can be good about policy but are horrible politicians
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: oh no,they have a really good healthcare plan.........
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: hahahahhaaaaaa
10:49 PM roycroft: our country needs people who are good at policy and politics
10:49 PM roycroft: but we seem to have none
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: would be nice
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: just competent would be nice
10:50 PM unterhaus: it's too bad they didn't realize they need to get rid of the filibuster in 2012
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: well hindsight
10:50 PM unterhaus: they wouldn't have had to model the ACA after what joe lieberman wanted
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: looks like that will change
10:50 PM roycroft: i don't think the filibuster should be abolished at all
10:50 PM unterhaus: it has to be
10:50 PM roycroft: but we haven't had a filibuster in ages
10:51 PM roycroft: we need a real, actual filubuster rule
10:51 PM roycroft: a mr. smith goes to washington filibuster rule
10:51 PM roycroft: if you want to filibuster, you have to stand on the floor of the senate and filibuster
10:51 PM roycroft: no sitting down
10:51 PM roycroft: no potty breaks
10:51 PM CaptHindsight: well Biden has been saying all the right things to get a majority, I'd vote for a monkey at this point
10:51 PM roycroft: no snacks
10:51 PM roycroft: just stand there and talk
10:51 PM roycroft: it's a powerful and necessary tool
10:52 PM roycroft: but it needs to be a very difficult tool to use, given how powerful it is
10:52 PM unterhaus: filibuster has a bad history
10:52 PM unterhaus: minority already has an advantage in the senate
10:52 PM roycroft: well, not really
10:52 PM roycroft: sort of
10:53 PM roycroft: rural states have an advantage in the senate
10:53 PM unterhaus: and they listen to limbaugh so they all vote the same
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: why there is talk about the 2 dakotas, make DC and PR states etc
10:53 PM roycroft: but the majority of the senators have the power in the senate
10:53 PM roycroft: and that could happen
10:54 PM roycroft: puerto rico have a statehood ballot measure this year again, and for the first time it has a chance of passing
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: all the decent rational americans and this who we have to deal with
10:54 PM roycroft: if it does, it would be a lot easier for the congress to admit it
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: fringe populists
10:55 PM unterhaus: dc at least has electoral votes, but no representation
10:55 PM CaptHindsight: seems that most voters are just blind to dishonesty
10:55 PM roycroft: they're actually not
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: had the radio on WGN while in the car earlier...
10:56 PM roycroft: a lot of the trump supporters know what's going on, and openly state that they don't care if people cheat if that's what it takes for them to win
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: well sure for the selfish and wealthy
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: those I get, it's the poor dopes that buy his nonsense
10:57 PM CaptHindsight: https://i.imgur.com/mpGtxsg.png made me think of this
10:58 PM roycroft: it seems like some republicans don't care if their government screws them, as long as it screws the people they don't like worse
10:58 PM roycroft: and if that's not true then they're even more stupid than i thought
10:58 PM * JavaBean grabs some popcorn, checks backlog
10:58 PM CaptHindsight: yeah that pathology
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: i see that in the corporate world as well
10:59 PM roycroft: yes
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: and open source projects
10:59 PM XXCoder: roy yeah I call that addication to liberal tears
10:59 PM XXCoder: like any addict they will do anything to get next fix
10:59 PM roycroft: i just want them to be nice people again
10:59 PM CaptHindsight: i once got a bunch of drivers from AMD released by telling them that so and so said that you will never release them
10:59 PM roycroft: most republicans used to be nice people
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: and it worked
11:00 PM roycroft: i disagreed with them on policy
11:00 PM roycroft: but i could still have a beer with them
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: old bickering between old employees
11:00 PM roycroft: anyway
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: this has pushed lots to a place they wouldn't admit to 10 years ago
11:01 PM unterhaus: Wow, Tim Curry looks bad
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: he got old
11:01 PM unterhaus: stroke
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: did he!
11:01 PM roycroft: has anyone come up with any clever modes for operating a cnc machine besides manual, automatic, and mdi?
11:02 PM unterhaus: I had heard he was supporting trump, but he did a rocky horror thing for the wisconsin dems
11:02 PM CaptHindsight: and Sean Connery passed away
11:02 PM roycroft: and does it even matter while i'm desigining my control panel?
11:02 PM roycroft: touchy has mode switch buttons
11:02 PM XXCoder: roy yeah automatic manual
11:02 PM unterhaus: he had a stroke in 2012
11:02 PM XXCoder: i only used one once
11:02 PM roycroft: i probably don't need to replicate that with a physical switch on the panel
11:02 PM XXCoder: its one where you input what machine does and it does it
11:03 PM XXCoder: i know, its diffult to explain. its not gcode nor is it manual, though you can use it manually
11:03 PM roycroft: i think that when i need to switch modes i can do so no the console, which will be right next to the machine, and not have any need to do it on the pendant
11:04 PM roycroft: it's like doing a facing operation, but having the computer be the handwheel?
11:05 PM unterhaus: seems like the qtpyvcp panels should be a pretty good substitute for a manual machine
11:06 PM XXCoder: roy yeah and its repeatable
11:06 PM XXCoder: thats why i call it automatic manual. wish i asked what system was called. doubt i'd remember it from 6 years ago tho
11:07 PM roycroft: i'm trying to make the final hardware decisions for my control panel and pendant
11:08 PM roycroft: i think that since i'll be using touchy i don't need a million physical switches/buttons on the control panel
11:10 PM unterhaus: I want a din rail mountable board with terminals and a 7404 on it
11:10 PM roycroft: i'll be din rail mounting most components in my controller
11:11 PM roycroft: the 7i76 will be a notable exception, as well as the gecko drives
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: CNC using gamepad could be turned into an actual game
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: route race
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: milling for dollars
11:11 PM roycroft: but almost everything else will be din rail mounted - i like doing it that way a lot
11:11 PM CaptHindsight: Turnin for Bucks!
11:12 PM unterhaus: mesa has nice brackets to din rail mount that 7i76
11:12 PM roycroft: do they?
11:12 PM roycroft: i have some for the 7i73
11:12 PM CaptHindsight: I thought about using a driving game wheel for CNC control
11:12 PM roycroft: i didn't know they have them for a 7i76
11:12 PM CaptHindsight: gas pedal for feed rate
11:12 PM roycroft: i'm not sure i'd want to mount that board that way anyway
11:12 PM roycroft: it would take two din rails to do it properly - it's too big just to center on one
11:12 PM unterhaus: din rail adapter kit
11:13 PM unterhaus: no part number for some reason
11:13 PM roycroft: i'm still trying to decide whether i'm going to mount it all the way in the back, so the db-25 connector is attached to the rear panel, or if i'm going to mount it elsewhere and use a ribbon cable to connect it to the rear panel
11:14 PM roycroft: ribbon cable is a lot easier
11:14 PM unterhaus: I sometimes use din rail in a box
11:14 PM unterhaus: I need all the help I can get
11:15 PM unterhaus: I'm glad penn state lost. Coach was running his mouth all year about how covid shouldn't affect playing
11:15 PM roycroft: i'm looking at a 25a din rail contactor that i just got
11:16 PM roycroft: it's rated at 250v
11:16 PM roycroft: and it's 12mm wide
11:16 PM unterhaus: should have been spending time at coaching
11:16 PM unterhaus: that's thin
11:16 PM roycroft: a conventional contactor with that capacity would be about 3x as wide
11:16 PM roycroft: and have a bunch of exposed terminals
11:16 PM unterhaus: where did you get it?
11:16 PM roycroft: auberins.com
11:17 PM unterhaus: can't go look, they make me want a powder coat setup
11:17 PM roycroft: i've been buying pid controllers from them for years
11:17 PM roycroft: and temperature probes
11:17 PM roycroft: i've also bought a lot of contactors and ssds from them
11:17 PM roycroft: ssrs
11:17 PM roycroft: sorry
11:18 PM roycroft: i get ssds from outfits like newegg
11:18 PM unterhaus: one of the $15 contactors?
11:19 PM roycroft: i think it cost something like that
11:19 PM roycroft: yes, it was $15.99
11:20 PM roycroft: https://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_31&products_id=439
11:20 PM unterhaus: three phase not so cheap
11:21 PM unterhaus: I guess for what I am interested in it wouldn't hurt just to use multiple 2 pole
11:24 PM roycroft: i've had good luck with stuff from them
11:26 PM unterhaus: the only issue with my cabinet is that I have no room for the switch I want to use
11:27 PM roycroft: i just got my controller enclosure, and i could tell immediately that it's smaller than i'd like it to be
11:27 PM roycroft: but i can get things to fit
11:27 PM roycroft: i am not putting a vfd in it - if i get to where i need a vfd i'll mount it directly on the machine
11:28 PM roycroft: and the drive power supply is a separate rack mountable chassis
11:28 PM roycroft: so i just have to bring a couple cables from that to the controller cabinet
11:28 PM roycroft: those are the two things that take up the most room in a controller
11:29 PM roycroft: and mine is not tiny - it's 3u high and 13" deep
11:31 PM CaptHindsight: always 1.5x the cabinet size
11:32 PM unterhaus: I'd have more room if I didn't want to put the computer in the box
11:32 PM CaptHindsight: until you get used to it
11:32 PM roycroft: the computer has its own rack mount enclosure
11:32 PM CaptHindsight: I've wasted more time trying to get things to fit
11:32 PM unterhaus: I can't make myself use a rpi4
11:32 PM CaptHindsight: save $100 in steel box but waster $1000in time
11:33 PM roycroft: i just got one to run octoprint, for controlling my 3d printer
11:33 PM roycroft: but i have had no thoughts about getting one for linuxcnc
11:33 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: i run into too many problems wit the Rpi4
11:33 PM unterhaus: how do you get internet on an rpi if you have an ehternet mesa board?
11:34 PM CaptHindsight: after power supplies, bestter HDMI cables and a breakout board the Rpi4 costs more than a PC
11:34 PM Tom_L: unterhaus, wireless
11:34 PM unterhaus: that's another thing that's stopping me
11:34 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: USB dongle ethernet controller
11:34 PM roycroft: the rpi for my 3d printer only needs hdmi for the initial install
11:34 PM unterhaus: my computer cost me $10 plus an ssd
11:34 PM roycroft: it has built-in wifi and ethernet
11:34 PM CaptHindsight: real time on the intergrated NIC and non on the USB
11:35 PM roycroft: it will not be on the internet
11:35 PM roycroft: but it will be on my local network
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: i never use wifi for machine controls
11:35 PM roycroft: it won't do that
11:35 PM unterhaus: I used internet for shorthand for local net
11:35 PM roycroft: wifi will be for my interface to the rpi
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: even wirelss keyboards and mice have issues
11:35 PM roycroft: it talks to the 3d printer via usb
11:36 PM roycroft: which is also not optimal, but it's what 3d printers do
11:36 PM unterhaus: controlling mobile robots over wifi was a crapshoot
11:36 PM unterhaus: they don't really take safety all the much into account
11:37 PM unterhaus: although we had one of the military ones and it worked well with wifi
11:37 PM unterhaus: better, for $270k
11:37 PM roycroft: i don't usually do computer work on a saturday night
11:37 PM roycroft: but i have an extra hour tonight
11:37 PM Tom_L: meh that's an inflated price
11:38 PM Tom_L: you got a 25 hr day?
11:38 PM roycroft: maybe i'll install buster on the linuxcnc machine, or actually get that rpi installed as the 3d printer interface
11:38 PM roycroft: we all do, tonight!
11:38 PM roycroft: here in north america
11:38 PM roycroft: except arizona and parts of indiana, of course
11:39 PM Tom_L: time change today?
11:39 PM roycroft: life will just go on as usual for those folks
11:39 PM roycroft: tomorrow at 2am
11:39 PM Tom_L: damn i forgot about that
11:39 PM roycroft: today at 2am for folks in the eastern timezone
11:39 PM Tom_L: the rest weren't invited?
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: we went back to lockdowns yesterday
11:40 PM roycroft: well, it happens today on the east coast, but tomorrow for the rest of the country
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: mostly bars and restaurants
11:40 PM roycroft: it should not have happened here
11:40 PM roycroft: and this may be the last time it happens here
11:40 PM unterhaus: al giordano suggesting pennsylvania republicans hand out free oxycontin
11:40 PM Tom_L: this says nov 7
11:40 PM Tom_L: you sure?
11:41 PM roycroft: yes
11:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.timeanddate.com/time/change/usa
11:41 PM roycroft: it's 1 november in the us
11:41 PM CaptHindsight: Nov 1, 2020 - Daylight Saving Time Ends
11:41 PM roycroft: the eu went off summer time a week ago
11:41 PM roycroft: and australia went on summer time 2 or 3 weeks ago
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: this is usually when it gets all messed up again
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: if you frequently call the EU and Asia from the USA
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: one week you're on time then you're 2 hours off
11:43 PM CaptHindsight: so you're checking every Sunday night here
11:43 PM roycroft: $ TZ=/usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin date
11:43 PM roycroft: Sun Nov 1 05:42:44 CET 2020
11:43 PM roycroft: no need to ever be confused
11:43 PM CaptHindsight: would be nice if it just happened on the same date vs spread over 3-4 weeks
11:44 PM roycroft: in 2018 the california introduced a bill to go on daylight saving time year round, effective when oregon and washington enact the same legislation
11:45 PM roycroft: it's still pending in the state assembly
11:45 PM XXCoder: wa already did
11:45 PM XXCoder: dunno on or
11:45 PM roycroft: in 2019 both oregon and washington introduced and passed into law that same legislation
11:45 PM roycroft: so we're ready to go
11:45 PM XXCoder: wa is "which direction pending, but agreed to stop"
11:45 PM CaptHindsight: I had someone schedule CST a few weeks ago when it was CDT
11:45 PM roycroft: we're just waiting on california
11:45 PM roycroft: and the congress
11:45 PM roycroft: the congress has to sign off on it
11:45 PM CaptHindsight: so i was an hour late
11:46 PM roycroft: the interesting thing is this:
11:46 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: will you stay on standard or on savings time permanently?
11:46 PM roycroft: if california, oregon, and washington decided to remain on standard time year-round all they have to do is pass that into law
11:46 PM CaptHindsight: ah nevermind
11:46 PM CaptHindsight: ^^
11:46 PM roycroft: it does not have to get approved by the congress
11:47 PM roycroft: but to remain on dst year round does require congressional approval
11:47 PM roycroft: my preference would be to remain on standard time year round
11:47 PM roycroft: but as long as we stop the clock-switching crap, i'm fine with doing it either way
11:47 PM unterhaus: I want savings time year round, but probably for no good reason
11:47 PM XXCoder: same
11:48 PM CaptHindsight: I prefer that later sunset
11:48 PM roycroft: i just like for the sun to be at its highest point of the day at noon
11:48 PM CaptHindsight: but I'm rarely up before Noon
11:48 PM roycroft: i can shift my schedule to work around the sun, when necessary
11:48 PM roycroft: for me that's easier and makes more sense than to shift the concept of time
11:49 PM CaptHindsight: i haven't seen sun for a few days
11:49 PM roycroft: we had some sunny breaks this afternoon
11:49 PM CaptHindsight: we are pretty much grey until spring
11:49 PM roycroft: i actually cut part of the lawn today
11:49 PM CaptHindsight: or it will be sunny after a big snow and -15C that day
11:50 PM CaptHindsight: with SUN
11:51 PM roycroft: https://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_95&products_id=828
11:51 PM roycroft: that scares the bejezus out of me
11:53 PM CaptHindsight: why?
11:53 PM roycroft: being able to turn an 80a circiut breake via wifi
11:53 PM roycroft: turn on
11:53 PM roycroft: or off
11:54 PM CaptHindsight: password: password
11:59 PM unterhaus: I had a motor circuit put in and it blew half the building the first time I ran the motor