#linuxcnc Logs
Oct 18 2020
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:44 AM Deejay: moin
03:02 AM veegee: sup dawg
03:16 AM XXCoder: hey dowg
03:20 AM Deejay: wuff
05:54 AM Tom_L: morning
05:56 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:33 AM JT-Cave: sure is fun watching the blind leading the blind so to speak https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/raspberry-coop.1416035/
07:33 AM JT-Cave: I gave up trying to help lol
09:00 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, do you happen to know if there's an upgrade path to 2.8 release or is it just the iso right now?
09:01 AM Tom_L: (using a repo for updates)
09:05 AM JT-Cave: you mean upgrading from 2.7 to 2.8 that should be in the documents
09:06 AM Tom_L: i've got 2.8.0 pre1 on buster trying to upgrade to the release
09:06 AM Tom_L: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
09:06 AM Tom_L: looking there but don't see what i'm after
09:06 AM jymmmm: morning
09:07 AM Tom_L: all things i see point to the iso and i'm not sure it's working well
09:08 AM Tom_L: seems some networking has been left out maybe?
09:08 AM Tom_L: i haven't tried the iso yet but was helping someone
09:08 AM Tom_L: trying to avoid that path right now
09:10 AM jymmmm: Tom_L: Did you verify the MD5/SHA1 of the iso?
09:17 AM Tom_L: i haven't tried it myself
09:18 AM Tom_L: but i've already got buster installed and don't see the need for the iso
09:18 AM jymmmm: Tom_L: Wouldn't be a bad idea, I've seen many of the lcnc iso downloads fail verification.
09:19 AM jymmmm: ...but install like nothing is wrong
09:19 AM JavaBean: was unreal that had issues, wasn't it?
09:20 AM Tom_L: he was the latest one
09:20 AM Tom_L: i might be mistaken but i thinnk skunkworks had a few issues with it
09:23 AM JavaBean: sorry, i can't remember right now... brain seems kinda mushy
09:24 AM JT-Cave: where can you post an image now that imagebin.ca is gone
09:25 AM jymmmm: JT for photos? imgur.com no account required
09:25 AM JT-Cave: I'm using buildbot.linuxcnc.org buster in my synaptic repositories
09:25 AM JT-Cave: jymmmm, that site stinks
09:26 AM jymmmm: JT and https://imagebin.ca/ is working for me
09:26 AM Tom_L: https://makeawebsitehub.com/free-photo-hosting/
09:27 AM Tom_L: https://imagebin.ca/ works here
09:27 AM jymmmm: JT https://imagebin.ca/v/5eGnU2PloYbW
09:28 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/smile.jpg
09:28 AM Tom_L: works too :)
09:28 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/smilekat.jpg
09:29 AM jymmmm: Tom_L: you are reallly.... fuzzy
09:29 AM Tom_L: corona beard
09:29 AM jymmmm: ah
09:35 AM JT-Cave: https://imagebin.ca/v/5eGpuWjrUrmg
09:35 AM JT-Cave: weird it's been down for a month or more
09:36 AM Tom_L: was that for me?
09:41 AM JT-Shop: yea
09:45 AM _unreal_: any one seen pcw_home at all?
09:45 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, i've got that but was looking for the linuxcnc one
09:46 AM Tom_L: i did have to change my debian deb since my mirror site was taken down
09:47 AM _unreal_: at some point to day we need to see if we can figure out what needs to be adjusted and edit the hal/ini to use the output pin 0 as the enable for the motors
09:47 AM _unreal_: motor controllers
09:47 AM * Tom_L wonders if _unreal_ has a mouse in his pocket
09:48 AM XXCoder: heys
09:51 AM _unreal_: heh
09:51 AM _unreal_: I dont get it
09:51 AM Tom_L: the "WE" in your statement
09:51 AM Tom_L: :)
09:52 AM _unreal_: arg... have to leave soon to follow my elderly neighbor, she needs to return a rental car...
09:52 AM _unreal_: heh
09:54 AM Tom_dev: W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'base/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org buster InRelease' does not seem to provide it (sources.list entry misspelt?)
09:59 AM Tom_L: JT-Shop, can you show me your buster 2.8-rtpreemt entry?
10:11 AM JT-Shop: in a bit, right in the middle of something
10:12 AM Tom_L: i may have gotten it
10:21 AM Tom_L: still get that gtksourceview2 dependency error
10:22 AM Tom_L: installing the deb from the buildbot site
10:27 AM Tom_L: good i kept the 2.8.0 pre1 local copy
10:28 AM Tom_L: so it looks like for an upgrade those 2 graphic packages are still broken
10:28 AM JT-Cave: https://imagebin.ca/v/5eH5wwR68Avj
10:29 AM * JT-Cave heads back to hydraulic cylinder rebuilds
10:29 AM Tom_L: yeah, i think the upgrade path is broke
10:29 AM Tom_L: well, not the path...
10:29 AM Tom_L: JT-Cave, did you find your O-rings?
10:32 AM JT-Cave: no, used the old ones but my OCD may make me get some from McMaster and take them all back apart and replace them
10:32 AM JT-Cave: you should be able to drop the buildbot. part and get 2.8.0
10:33 AM Tom_L: without installing buster again?
10:33 AM Tom_L: i think the packages still lack that gtksourceview2 package
10:33 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure what andy did about that on the iso
10:33 AM JavaBean: you can build from source, and then install it... i can't remember the make command to build a .deb tho
10:34 AM Tom_L: i know i can build source
10:34 AM Tom_L: but i was partially testing the upgrade path too
10:34 AM JT-Shop: I think Andy added that package
10:34 AM Tom_L: i wonder what version it needs
11:13 AM JT-Shop: damn that was brutal...
11:15 AM Tom_L: get em all done?
11:18 AM JT-Shop: yea, the last one didn't want to go together then putzing around I knocked my can over and had to get my Exxon kit out... so much for keeping the floor of the lean to clean
11:18 AM JT-Shop: finally got it far enough in to screw the cap on then had to find a longer hose to retract the cylinder...
12:19 PM roycroft: hello, folks
12:19 PM roycroft: so for my on-topic question of the moment:
12:19 PM roycroft: i'm trying to make sense of rtai vs preempt-rt for my linuxcnc machine
12:20 PM roycroft: what i think i understand is that rtai generally has lower latency on the parallel port, but that preempt-rt is otherewise "better" (and why it's "better" i don't know)
12:20 PM roycroft: i have a mesa 5i25+7i76, so i don't care about the parallel port
12:21 PM roycroft: based on what i've read, it seems the preempt-rt would be the better kernel for me to run
12:21 PM roycroft: but i'd still like to know why it's "better" than rtai, parallel port latency notwithstanding
12:22 PM roycroft: i'll be running debian 10.x for this install, btw
12:23 PM Tom_L: RTAI seems to work better on older hardware
12:23 PM Tom_L: preempt-rt generally requires newer hardware
12:23 PM roycroft: this is an older atom-based main board
12:23 PM roycroft: probably about 5-6 years old
12:23 PM roycroft: is that considered "older" in this context?
12:24 PM Tom_L: you're gonna probably be better off with rtai then
12:24 PM Tom_L: i'm still running wheezy with rtai on my mill
12:24 PM rs[m]: roycroft: with preempt-rt, everything runs in user-space whereas with rtai, realtime modules are running in kernel space
12:24 PM _unreal: sup
12:24 PM Tom_L: everybody hide
12:24 PM _unreal: ok so networking seems to be finicky on boot but it is working
12:24 PM _unreal: BOOOOO
12:24 PM rs[m]: roycroft: userspace is much easier to develop for (in principle, doesn't really matter for linuxcnc)
12:25 PM roycroft: yes, i get that
12:25 PM Tom_L: but also generally requires newer hardware
12:25 PM roycroft: i need to get access to the rack where my linuxcnc machine is mounted
12:25 PM _unreal: ok so at this point need to get the I/O output 0 added and setup as motor enable.
12:25 PM roycroft: that's on my list to do today
12:26 PM roycroft: i don't recall what kernel i'm running on it
12:26 PM _unreal: roycroft, networkin access or hands on?
12:26 PM roycroft: i know it's running debian 8.x or 9.x
12:26 PM roycroft: hands on
12:26 PM Tom_L: roycroft, i'm using a D525 intel board
12:26 PM roycroft: there's a bunch of stuff piled up on the rack and in front of it
12:26 PM * _unreal pictures roycroft using an extention grabber
12:26 PM roycroft: the board i have is one that was recommended by folks on this channel
12:26 PM roycroft: because it has low latency
12:27 PM Tom_L: how long ago was that though?
12:27 PM roycroft: as i said, about 5 years ago or so
12:27 PM Tom_L: software changes faster than a woman's mind ya know
12:27 PM roycroft: but latency should really not much of an issue, since i have a 5i25
12:28 PM Tom_L: within reason yes
12:28 PM _unreal: Tom_L, my daughter is 11 I can relate
12:28 PM _unreal: heh
12:28 PM rs[m]: the main difference re. linuxcnc with rtai/preempt-rt is that you can do networking in preempt-rt, but you can't in rtai afaik
12:28 PM Tom_L: rs[m], what do you mean?
12:29 PM Tom_L: i can connect my mill to the local network ok
12:29 PM rs[m]: Tom_L: network connected mesa cards
12:29 PM roycroft: rtai is a dual-kernel model, isn't it?
12:29 PM Tom_L: oh yes that's very true
12:29 PM roycroft: a real time kernel running alongside the standard kernel
12:29 PM roycroft: my mesa hardware is serial-based
12:29 PM Tom_L: serial?
12:29 PM Tom_L: spi?
12:30 PM roycroft: 5i25 + 7i76
12:30 PM rs[m]: s/networking/"realtime" networking/
12:30 PM roycroft: iirc that's an rs-422 interface
12:31 PM roycroft: it's been a long time, and i'm old, so i've forgotten much of what little i ever knew about this
12:35 PM roycroft: i should go dig out the machine soon and see what all i have
12:35 PM roycroft: it's better to know/confirm than to speculate
12:36 PM Tom_L: isn't the 5i25 a pci card?
12:36 PM roycroft: yes
12:36 PM Tom_L: so that's even better in your favor
12:36 PM roycroft: yes
12:37 PM roycroft: that's why i'm not so worried abou latency
12:37 PM _unreal: so I'm wondering if I should use the lcnc mesa card setup or the 7i96 config tool?
12:37 PM roycroft: the 5i25 will do its own thing, and do it fast enough
12:37 PM _unreal: again I know squat about the card and setting it up
12:37 PM Tom_L: _unreal, what are you talking about?
12:37 PM Tom_L: what mesa card setup?
12:38 PM _unreal: pncconfig setup. part of the linuxcnc config software
12:38 PM Tom_L: does it even cover that card?
12:38 PM _unreal: I believe so?
12:38 PM Tom_L: keep the setup you made with JT's if you do
12:38 PM Tom_L: just in case
12:39 PM roycroft: it looks like the 5i25 doesn't have an rs-422 interface
12:39 PM Tom_L: i believe i have it here somewhere
12:39 PM roycroft: it's a parallel interface
12:39 PM Tom_L: right
12:39 PM Tom_L: from card to card
12:39 PM roycroft: yes
12:39 PM _unreal: computer responce time
12:40 PM _unreal: its asking for the base jitter
12:40 PM Tom_L: did you run a latency test?
12:40 PM _unreal: actual servo period. not sure what number I go by
12:40 PM Tom_L: also from the latency test
12:40 PM _unreal: I just want to go and setup the settings once
12:40 PM _unreal: with the other software
12:40 PM _unreal: I already have a back up of the other setup
12:40 PM _unreal: that isnt really working yet
12:41 PM _unreal: actual servo period. which number do I use from the TEST
12:41 PM _unreal: servo thread, base thread?
12:41 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/install/latency-test.html
12:42 PM _unreal: max int, max jitter, last intv. ?
12:42 PM * roycroft decides to go tidy some stuff up and dig out the rack
12:42 PM Tom_L: since you are using mesa cards you don't need to be so concerned about the base thread, it uses the servo thread
12:42 PM rs[m]: _unreal | its asking for the base jitter
12:42 PM rs[m]: _unreal | max int, max jitter, last intv. ?
12:46 PM _unreal: servo thread, max jitter with glxgears running giving me about 12500
12:48 PM CaptHindsight: just installed the Buster image from Sept 17 using graphical install without any issues
12:49 PM CaptHindsight: the repos are all there
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: Wicd network manager is installed by default and working
12:52 PM rs[m]: CaptHindsight: I know
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: rs[m]: but some idiots don't
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: idiots 1, Andy 0
12:55 PM CaptHindsight: Einstein was right again
12:56 PM rs[m]: IIRC. andypugh had some doubts about wicd, but it seems nobody offered a qualified opininon or something like a decision tree. I also can't really comment on that, i usually deactivate all that stuff and use /etc/network/interfaces
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: this is the first Debian install in quite some time that actually worked without issue for me
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: CD repos are disabled by default
01:04 PM _unreal: ok getting a different error
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: dyslexia alert!
01:04 PM _unreal: un expected delay on realtime delay 0
01:07 PM rs[m]: _unreal: you should have only one thread configured, to a cycle time of 1 millisecond.
01:09 PM rs[m]: _unreal: if you still get unexpected realtime delays, your hardware probably isn't useful. e.g. don't run linuxcnc on a laptop or a "thermally challenged" machine.
01:09 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, you tried the buster iso?
01:10 PM _unreal: i'm 99% sure this is a settings issue
01:10 PM _unreal: because I'm new and ignorant to all the many many many many settings options
01:10 PM Tom_L: my problem was the graphic libs weren't present in buster early on so i disabled them in the build and just use axis
01:11 PM Tom_L: so doing a buildbot update doesn't work without issues for me
01:11 PM rs[m]: _unreal: if your machine can't keep up with 1ms intervals, which is basically nearly forever for a modern cpu, it's not a settings issue with linuxcnc
01:12 PM Tom_L: fixing it isn't a high priority right now anyway
01:12 PM _unreal: its a settings issue
01:12 PM _unreal: I dont know what I'm doing and trying to solve the settings issue
01:12 PM Tom_L: _unreal, repost your ini file
01:13 PM Tom_L: working on other stuff here but may get to look at it after bit
01:13 PM _unreal: the linuxcnc setup util makes different files
01:15 PM _unreal: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gpWuSVoQaBL5Jw7Ff9hiM3SC06Duiz_6?usp=sharing
01:15 PM _unreal: that is the new file generated
01:15 PM _unreal: the other file tries to step the drive. this one has not done anything yet
01:15 PM Tom_L: that's not a config file
01:16 PM _unreal: then again I dont know what I'm doing
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: just installed the Buster image from Sept 17 using graphical install without any issues that Andy created
01:17 PM Tom_L: just work with the original set you had
01:17 PM _unreal: that is what the PNCCONFIG wizard generated
01:17 PM rs[m]: _unreal: your poking in the dark needs to at least get some structure. start by reading this: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/pncconf.html
01:17 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, buster image from debian? or linuxcnc?
01:17 PM Tom_L: originally i installed debian then built 2.8.0 pre1
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: Andy's LCNC ISO from a Sept 17 download
01:17 PM Tom_L: ok
01:18 PM Tom_L: i just didn't like xfce so i installed debian myself
01:18 PM rs[m]: _unreal: alternatively, as you have a 7i96 AFAIR, peruse this: https://jethornton.github.io/7i96/
01:18 PM _unreal: rs[m], I have that installed
01:19 PM rs[m]: _unreal: leave every setting that you don't understand and thats non-required alone
01:19 PM Tom_L: rs[m], that's how he generated his first config files
01:19 PM rs[m]: _unreal: rest should be easy
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: I had previously installed Buster from Debian but ran into issues with QTPYVCP
01:20 PM Tom_L: yeah, i'm not using that right now
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: we used Debian Sid for LCNC a few years ago
01:21 PM Tom_L: :D
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: I'd prefer a rolling distro
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: but i don't build em
01:22 PM _unreal: that was interesting, the 7i96 config tool froze
01:23 PM Tom_L: i think my preempt-rt kernel might be old too
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: just installed the same LCNC Buster ISO in virtualbox without any issues
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: all the repos are there
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: Wicd even works in virtualbox
01:25 PM Tom_L: i downloaded it i just haven't had a chance to try it
01:25 PM Tom_L: what is wicd?
01:25 PM Tom_L: network manager?
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: graphical network manager
01:25 PM Tom_L: ahh
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: installed by default
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: apt upgrade works without issues
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: I'm sure i can break this if i try :)
01:27 PM Tom_L: keep trying so we know :)
01:28 PM CaptHindsight: I'll continue suspecting noob user errors until i find evidence to the contrary
01:28 PM Tom_L: i'll try it soon
01:28 PM Tom_L: i did try the rpi zip but haven't messed with it much yet
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: I've been testing on the Rpi4 and Orange Pi One
01:29 PM _unreal: I just deleted all setup files and starting from scratch
01:29 PM Tom_L: _unreal, why?
01:29 PM _unreal: to many issues
01:29 PM Tom_L: well alrighty then
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: discovered too many issues on ARM to continue with Armbian or Debian
01:30 PM Tom_L: when you get a set we can work with lemme know
01:30 PM rs[m]: _unreal: pro-tip for the future: keep backups. zip. rename. even git. whatever.
01:30 PM _unreal: there are so many settings that I'm adjusting small aspects and leaving fragmented changes
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: Gentoo 64 is solid on ARM but the Rpi and orange Pi still have firmware issues
01:31 PM _unreal: I have a BACKUP
01:31 PM _unreal: its sitting on the google drive
01:31 PM _unreal: the on machine is what I just deleted
01:31 PM Tom_L: i have a copy too i think
01:31 PM _unreal: it imported and over wrote the other setup build
01:31 PM * JavaBean idly wonders why alcohol is used by so many people when setting up software
01:31 PM _unreal: I need a CLEAN slate
01:32 PM Tom_L: JavaBean, instead of meth?
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: 4K 60fps is solid with Gentoo on Rpi4, why can't the Armbian devs get their stuff to work?
01:32 PM JavaBean: meth usually just makes things more complicated
01:33 PM _unreal: when I used the PNCCONFIG tool it gave me massivly different numbers
01:33 PM _unreal: that struck me as FAR more realistic
01:34 PM _unreal: first things first I NEED to be able to enable I/O 0
01:34 PM _unreal: I dont know how
01:34 PM _unreal: and its all coding scripting that is brand new to me
01:34 PM _unreal: right now its seems to be half heartly enabling the motors and only one of them. so that tells me the I/O isnt setup.
01:34 PM Tom_L: we will find the signal name and tie it to an enable line soon
01:35 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20201018_132348.jpg
01:35 PM _unreal: I may just hard wire the enable pins to 5v so ic an drive the damn motors
01:35 PM _unreal: its pin 14
01:35 PM Tom_L: i had mine hardwired for the longest time
01:35 PM _unreal: digital I/O out 0
01:35 PM Tom_L: well, lack of since default was enabled
01:35 PM _unreal: I dont like not being able to control the power other then killing power
01:35 PM Tom_L: that's the casual name for it, we need the real one
01:35 PM _unreal: err control the motors
01:36 PM _unreal: FUCK IT I'm hard wiring the motor enable to 5v
01:36 PM Tom_L: good call for now
01:36 PM _unreal: no sense wasting time TRYING to get the enable working
01:36 PM Tom_L: i recently wired mine thru the estop signal
01:37 PM rs[m]: skunkworks: cool
01:37 PM skunkworks: first attempt..
01:38 PM Tom_L: nice
01:38 PM Tom_L: i noticed you were playing with arrays too
01:38 PM skunkworks: yah - rs[m] gave me some pointers but have not played with it yet.
01:39 PM Tom_L: pretty soon you'll be grinding your own cams
01:39 PM skunkworks: (increasing the array by mallocing)
01:39 PM skunkworks: heh
01:43 PM _unreal: what in the hell?
01:43 PM _unreal: just tied the enable pins to 5v and I get nothing
01:43 PM _unreal: time to look up the motors
01:44 PM _unreal: motor controllers
01:44 PM Tom_L: are they /E instead of E
01:44 PM _unreal: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mse-cNcPSpKvLAlRZEeuw5mUOf3S5TiG/view?usp=sharing
01:46 PM Tom_L: there's an E and an /E
01:46 PM _unreal: ./e ?
01:46 PM Tom_L: maybe it want's the circuit closed
01:46 PM Tom_L: page 6
01:46 PM _unreal: you mean EN+ EN-
01:46 PM Tom_L: silly but ..... ok
01:46 PM Tom_L: yes
01:46 PM _unreal: ALL of the - pins are tied together and to ground
01:47 PM rs[m]: EN- needs to go to ground and EN+ to
01:47 PM rs[m]: +
01:48 PM Tom_L: P 8
01:48 PM rs[m]: see schematics
01:48 PM Tom_L: diagram, yes
01:49 PM _unreal: does not matter
01:49 PM _unreal: tie grd to each other
01:49 PM rs[m]: _unreal: you will have to configure your enable manually, after everything else is working. shouldn't be too dangerous with steppers, no real risk of a runaway
01:49 PM _unreal: or tie +v to each other
01:49 PM Tom_L: looks like it energizes an opto diode
01:49 PM _unreal: right ether signal via +v or signal via ground
01:50 PM _unreal: ... I should dbl check my grd
01:50 PM Tom_L: so tie E+ to 5v
01:50 PM rs[m]: for now, wire EN+ to +5V and EN- to GND
01:50 PM Tom_L: and GND thru a ? 220 ohm R
01:51 PM Tom_L: 270 meh either one
01:51 PM Tom_L: or put the R on the + side
01:51 PM Tom_L: maybe it's built on the board since it's in the box?
01:51 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't trust that though
01:58 PM _unreal: ok I'm REALY frustrated rigth now
01:58 PM _unreal: now it looks like my multimeter just shit the bed
02:00 PM rs[m]: improbable
02:00 PM rs[m]: not with 5V stuff
02:01 PM rs[m]: even if it did, mop up, turn off and on again
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: Oh invisible and angry man in the sky we beg you for guidance in this matter. Do you see success with his system any time this year?
02:26 PM Tom_L: are you turning preacher on us now?
02:27 PM JavaBean: nah, he is trying to remember how people used to do scsi chains
02:27 PM Tom_L: i sense a wee bit of sarchasm from a veteran toward noobs
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: gets out magic 8-ball, and asks the same
02:27 PM rs[m]: CaptHindsight: don't conjure what you can't get rid of
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: plug and pray was early ISA as well
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: 8-ball answers first, not likely :(
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: don't have a Ouija board, maybe there is one online
02:30 PM renesis: tom_l: looks like theyre opto inputs w/ internal resistors
02:30 PM renesis: shouldnt need external resistors, if theyre not very sensitive, external resistance might keep them from triggering
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.brainjar.com/dhtml/ouija/ answer is: 11
02:31 PM Tom_L: renesis, kind of them but you never know about the chinese
02:31 PM renesis: tho prob works either way, unless the inputs are setup for 24v max
02:31 PM renesis: well, they put resistors on the case
02:32 PM renesis: says theyre 5v inputs, running kinda hot at 10mA
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: will he ever get his system working? the response: NO :(
02:32 PM Tom_L: yeah i see now. you got better eyes than me
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: ok I'm out of ideas
02:32 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, write him a config tool tailored for his mill?
02:33 PM renesis: ha, their schematic shows 270R internal resistors, but also show external resistors without values going to sink output on a control device
02:33 PM renesis: shrug
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: it would need to be yes/no, up/down, left/right, on/off proof
02:33 PM Tom_L: heh covering their bases
02:35 PM renesis: "No rain, It's electrical equipment, the rain will cause short circuit"
02:35 PM renesis: great wisdom in that doc
02:35 PM Tom_L: hahah funny... i was just gonna post that one
02:35 PM renesis: but most likely it should be fine with 5V on + and - to GND
02:36 PM renesis: with the 270R and assuming bit over 2V for the opto LEDs, it ends up being the 10mA they spec
02:37 PM _unreal: yep my multi meter is dead
02:37 PM renesis: polite of them to break out both sides of the optos to their own pins, no common side
02:37 PM renesis: how did you do that
02:37 PM _unreal: all I wanted to do was ensure that my wires are all god
02:37 PM renesis: try a new battery?
02:39 PM _unreal: its a 20yo radio shack
02:39 PM renesis: bang it on a bench a couple times
02:40 PM Tom_L: i got a 40yr old RS analog meter in the drawer you can have
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: he's a handy guy, he'll get er dun
02:41 PM Tom_L: called about my spindle motor couple days ago and he said call back next week and i'll give ya an answer
02:45 PM jymmmm: Tom_L: lovely
02:53 PM _unreal: found my super old multi meter and tested the wires
02:53 PM _unreal: everything is connected
02:53 PM _unreal: I cant seem to enable the motor controllers
02:53 PM _unreal: this is freaking wierd
03:00 PM _unreal: I wonder if the ubec is causing me issues?
03:01 PM Tom_L: how are they wired?
03:01 PM _unreal: the ubec is supplying 5v
03:01 PM _unreal: but I get +v and - as tied together on the 7i96 when power is off
03:01 PM _unreal: BUT that has to do with the UBEC
03:02 PM Tom_L: no
03:02 PM _unreal: because its just a COIL of wire
03:02 PM Tom_L: hang on a sec
03:02 PM _unreal: in the 5v supply
03:03 PM _unreal: the motor controller logic is al connected +v to +v signals and -v to -v
03:04 PM Tom_L: 7i76e right?
03:04 PM _unreal: I dont know
03:04 PM _unreal: oh no no
03:04 PM _unreal: 7i96
03:04 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:05 PM _unreal: read that is 7i96e
03:06 PM _unreal: I wonder ifI need to tie MOTOR -v to logic
03:06 PM _unreal: I wouldnt think so?
03:07 PM _unreal: considering its optos
03:07 PM _unreal: driving the logic
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ask8ball.net/
03:19 PM _unreal: and there it goes, just wired upto an arduino with grbl. and the motor controller is working like a champ
03:19 PM _unreal: heh this is making no sense at all
03:19 PM CaptHindsight: some people are just better off with *duinos
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: call it day and start CNCing :)
03:20 PM _unreal: my other cnc machine has the same motor controllers NO issues. only difference is a planetcnc motion controller
03:21 PM _unreal: I wired it EXACTLY the same
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: spooky
03:22 PM rs[m]: grbl talks to the 7i96?
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Evil-Spirit-Remover-Protection-Candle/dp/B085XVHLWL
03:23 PM _unreal: no I'm trying to manualy enable the god damn motor controllers
03:23 PM rs[m]: EN+ to 5v, EN- to GND
03:23 PM _unreal: I'm thinking the ubec is causing me issues
03:23 PM rs[m]: what is ubec
03:24 PM _unreal: its a DC-DC PSU
03:24 PM _unreal: 7-50v dc in, 5v out
03:24 PM _unreal: mainly used in RC toys
03:24 PM _unreal: it outputs 5v 3 amps
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: https://purrologie.com/
03:25 PM rs[m]: so get rid of it then if it doesn't work
03:25 PM rs[m]: how do you power 7i96
03:27 PM Deejay: gn8
03:29 PM pcw_home: Are your drive ENA inputs really enables? They are disables on most step motor drives
03:29 PM JT-Shop: hi pcw_home
03:30 PM _unreal: and there it is. I just put a DIODE on the neg.... and I'm getting enable working. so there is something wierd with the ubec
03:31 PM pcw_home: Hi JT-Shop
03:31 PM _unreal: sigh... now to re-wire ALLL of them
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: rs[m]: silly but https://www.kdedirect.com/blogs/news/esc-and-ubec-basics
03:33 PM rs[m]: _unreal: while at it, best get rid of your software config also and start over again with a clean slate
03:33 PM rs[m]: </sarcasm>
03:34 PM _unreal: the ubec basiclly has a transformer, and a sensor and it pulses the primary and the secondary is the 5v output
03:34 PM rs[m]: Universal Battery Eliminator Circuit? what a stupid name for a DC-DC converter
03:34 PM _unreal: so +/- are when powered off tied together
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: rs[m]: :)
03:34 PM _unreal: I dont have any 7805s :(
03:35 PM rs[m]: _unreal: how do you power the 7i96
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: rs[m]: and a battery is a AC power eliminator circuit
03:35 PM _unreal: the ubec
03:36 PM rs[m]: and the 7i96 does work? you can ping it?
03:36 PM _unreal: yes
03:36 PM rs[m]: so why TF do you suspect the UBEC to have "issues"?
03:36 PM _unreal: I build quad copters
03:36 PM _unreal: the motor conrollers are having an issue
03:37 PM rs[m]: i doubt it
03:37 PM _unreal: I dont know what it is but they do not seem to like the ubec
03:37 PM _unreal: I added in testing a rectifying diode onto grd. and suddenly I was able to enable the test controller
03:38 PM rs[m]: and with wire instead of diode it does not enable?
03:38 PM _unreal: ya
03:38 PM _unreal: all the -v signals are tied to grd
03:38 PM rs[m]: and open circuit it doesnt enable either?
03:38 PM rs[m]: picture -> imgur
03:38 PM _unreal: OPEN circuit it does not enable
03:41 PM rs[m]: we have to eliminate the unknown unkowns (to paraphrase existentialist poetry of another donald)
03:44 PM _unreal: hehe I just gave my self a scare.. I pulled one of the blade connectors out of the breaker in the box
03:44 PM _unreal: I was like WTF now everything is dead
03:44 PM _unreal: few....
03:49 PM rs[m]: seems we are back to random poking around in the dark
03:49 PM * JT-Shop thinks this part is sweet and makes me happy... now to make a duplicate part
03:50 PM JT-Shop: too bad I cut in the wrong plane...
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: "Your superior intellect is no match for our puny weapons."
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: rs[m]: ^^
03:56 PM * JT-Shop just opens a Weihenstephaner Hefe Weissbier and goes to meditate with the Queens
03:57 PM JT-Shop: or just fill their buffet up
04:09 PM CaptHindsight: buzzmarshall , veegee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug7_4DOWUJw
04:10 PM buzzmarshall: wont let me see it as it says the poster has made it unavailable in your county
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: rench-Canadian news anchors’ (Issa Rae, Kate McKinnon, Bowen Yang) reporting on current events gets lost in translation on their American colleague (Mikey Day).
04:13 PM CaptHindsight: buzzmarshall: might work here https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/snl-canadian-themes-content-cbc-degrassi-drake-jim-carrey-justin-bieber-1.5767228
04:13 PM _unreal: stil backto the drawing board. I get more then 2 motor controllers and nothing enables
04:13 PM _unreal: so here is the setup
04:13 PM _unreal: I have 2x switching PSU'S
04:14 PM _unreal: 4x motor controllers, two motor controllers connected to each switching PSU..
04:14 PM _unreal: the PSU's are 36v
04:15 PM _unreal: I have a small power brick providing 12v. that is for driving the relays, and stepped down to 5v with ubec...
04:15 PM _unreal: should/do I need to tie the grounds from the two switching PSU'S to the signal grounds? :S
04:17 PM rs[m]: _unreal: picture
04:18 PM roycroft: that montreal morning show sketch was a good one
04:18 PM rs[m]: _unreal: what is a "power brick"? wall wart?
04:18 PM _unreal: yes
04:19 PM _unreal: omg, my daughter comes out just asked if she could help. and RIPS one
04:19 PM _unreal: palm to face
04:19 PM rs[m]: the enable opto doesn't care about grounds as long as you connect EN+ to +5V and EN- to GND of that 5V
04:19 PM _unreal: err nose
04:20 PM roycroft: i have to say, though, there is actually a legitimate argument for reelecting trump - i'm already sick of jim carrey playing joe biden, and really don't want to have to endure four more years of that
04:20 PM roycroft: the arguments for voting against trump outweigh that one by orders of magnitude
04:20 PM roycroft: but at least there's something
04:21 PM _unreal: heven help me..
04:21 PM _unreal: I'm getting a bonding between ALL grounds wired up right now.
04:21 PM _unreal: god I hope I dont regret this
04:22 PM * roycroft is tidying up the area around his electronics bench today, with plans to start putting the linuxcnc parts together
04:22 PM roycroft: the electronics bench is in my fermentation room, and theres a lot of brewing-related stuff to deal with
04:25 PM _unreal: no smoke and no enable
04:25 PM _unreal: sigh
04:25 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: yeah the Carrey skit is pretty poor
04:27 PM buzzmarshall: haha... thats funny tho i'd imagine ther'll be a few hard line quebec'rs that'll have there panties in a knot
04:28 PM buzzmarshall: some of them don't have much of a sense of humor when it comes to the rest of the country here bugging
04:28 PM roycroft: i've never been a big fan of his
04:28 PM buzzmarshall: most are ok
04:28 PM roycroft: i groaned when heard he was going to play biden
04:28 PM roycroft: hopefully that will end after the election
04:29 PM roycroft: with luck, biden will win, and snl will go back to using a regular troupe actor to play him
04:29 PM buzzmarshall: carrey was good when he 1st came out years ago but after that he kinda lost something as its just mostlly all the same thing all the time
04:30 PM roycroft: or bring back jason sudeikis to play him
04:30 PM roycroft: carrey's big problem is that he's over the top 100% of the time
04:32 PM roycroft: i think beck bennett has done biden
04:33 PM buzzmarshall: i think trump should play bidden as with all the name calling trumps does to him i can only imagine how he would actually play him
04:35 PM buzzmarshall: he could give people a vision idea of how he wants people to see bidden rather then just giving a running commentary
04:35 PM roycroft: i think trump should keep one of his promises and leave the country when he loses :)
04:35 PM {HD}: anyone have data on co2 laserpower and depth of cut in wood(hard/soft)?
04:36 PM {HD}: I am trying to decide how many watts I need to buy.
04:36 PM roycroft: 2.2 gigawatts, of course
04:37 PM {HD}: 1.21 jigawatts!
04:37 PM {HD}: greatscott!
04:38 PM roycroft: yeah, 1.21 gigawatts
04:38 PM roycroft: you got what i meant, even though i forgot the exact number
04:39 PM {HD}: haha, yea that was my generation so I know those movies well.
04:39 PM {HD}: anyway. I would think there is a big diff between the cut capacity of a 40-140w
04:39 PM {HD}: but I cannot find anything conclusive.
04:49 PM W1N9Zr0: http://support.epiloglaser.com/article/8205/75869/laser-wattage-performance
04:51 PM W1N9Zr0: this is pretty accurate to my experience with a 25w rf-excited CO2 laser. 1/8" birch plywood at good speeds and little burning, you can still do 1/4" with two passes focusing the second one deeper.
04:52 PM W1N9Zr0: if you've got the patience, i've seen people at our makerspace go through 3/4" acrylic in many passes with it too lol
05:21 PM {HD}: W1N9Zr0: Do you have an auto z? Most I look at have manual z axis. Would be nice not to have to refocus with each pass.
05:23 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/customers/Foxy/magazine-05.jpg
05:23 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/customers/Foxy/magazine-06.jpg
05:23 PM JT-Shop: https://gnipsel.com/images/customers/Foxy/magazine-07.jpg
05:24 PM JT-Shop: I think I'm done designing and building the magazine... find out tomorrow
05:30 PM Tom_L: nice
05:32 PM Tom_L: like the hinges
05:35 PM W1N9Zr0: {HD} yes, our laser has 8" of bed Z travel, it's an ancient Universal Laser Systems machine
05:37 PM {HD}: I am trying to pick a cheapish Chinese one
05:38 PM _unreal: I'm really at a loss
05:38 PM _unreal: I for the life of me can NOT get the motor controllers to all power on
05:40 PM _unreal: correct me ifI'm wrong but I should ONLY need to connect EN- to ground and EN+ to to 5v FMD2740C
05:40 PM JT-Shop: yea your hinge gave me the idea
05:44 PM W1N9Zr0: _unreal - some motor drivers have inverted enable, so if you connect +5 and gnd, it will DISABLE. do they work if you disconnect EN+/EN- all together?
05:45 PM _unreal: I've tried every combo
05:45 PM _unreal: just +5v, just ground. tieing the enable pins
05:45 PM _unreal: at this point I may as well try tieing ENV+v to ground
05:53 PM jymmmm: _unrealUm, have you looked at the manual and see what it might say?
05:53 PM jymmmm: _unreal Um, have you looked at the manual and see what it might say?
05:59 PM _unreal: I've read it several times and it does not say much
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: W1N9Zr0: lots of factors to consider with lasers, wavelength, focus spot size, material being cut, color and texture of the materials etc etc
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: ^^ much depends on what you wish to cut or engrave
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: "Generally speaking, lower power CO2 laser tubes will be able to process the same materials, with the same detail and quality as higher-power laser tubes, but higher-power laser tubes will allow you to 1) cut deeper in a single pass, and 2) engrave faster in some materials."
06:26 PM t4nk_freenode: _unreal, I think they just sold you broken store bought parts :|
06:35 PM _unreal: I would be inclined to agree
06:36 PM _unreal: I just tried shorting the OPTO internally nothing
06:36 PM _unreal: I paid like $400 for them AND the motors 3 years ago
06:36 PM _unreal: :(
06:37 PM _unreal: only just now getting to them
06:37 PM t4nk_freenode: lol
06:37 PM t4nk_freenode: heh
06:37 PM t4nk_freenode: well, you finally got 'round to breaking them now
06:38 PM t4nk_freenode: thought you never bought steppers btw
06:38 PM * t4nk_freenode now has a nice set
06:39 PM t4nk_freenode: *ahem*.. haven't gotten around to demolishing them yet
06:48 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: Well the faster the better. I will be primarily be cutting plywood. 1/4" high quality stuff. But I am sure that being about to cut thicker will be good, I could see 1/2 or maybe 3/4" being nice to be able to do. And I like speed.
06:48 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: have any hints on how to go about picking one? The ones on ebay all look similar.
06:49 PM _unreal: I just diode tested ALL of the motor controller optos and they all check out and give a 1.1v fwd voltage
06:49 PM _unreal: passing the diode test
06:49 PM _unreal: I dont get i I CAN NOT andable the damn things
06:50 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: known good lasers from people you trust
06:50 PM {HD}: I don't know anyone. So I also don't currently have anyone to trust.
06:50 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: the Chinese way is to exaggerate
06:51 PM CaptHindsight: RF laser will last longer but be more expensive
06:51 PM {HD}: does RF mean fiber? if so they are like 100x the cost of co2
06:51 PM _unreal_: I just do get it
06:52 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: RF CO2 vs just glass CO2
06:52 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: nice making progress on machine
06:53 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: CO2 is 10.5um wavelength, Fiber lasers are solid state diode lasers ~1.5um
06:55 PM CaptHindsight: http://bosslaser.com/blog/2016/02/12/which-co2-laser-tube-is-best-dc-or-rf/
06:56 PM CaptHindsight: https://hackaday.com/tag/rf-laser/
06:57 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: oh wow. I didn't know about rf co2. Neat.
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: watch videos of lasers in action by users not the manufacturers
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: read their comments
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: ask questions
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: check the warranty and the return policy
07:01 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: since you are new, purchasing through someone like Amazon can give you some protection against inflated claims
07:02 PM {HD}: I did read that amazon can be helpful when it comes to returns or warranty.
07:02 PM {HD}: They are pricier on amazon though.
07:02 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: i can completely rebuild and upgrade a toy machine
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: can you if something is broken or poorly designed or aligned?
07:03 PM {HD}: Also, I am no stranger to importing direct from china. I have dealt with brokers and importers several times in the past.
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: what you pay extra for is that extra level or protection from being scammed
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: which contry are you in?
07:04 PM {HD}: I would also like the faster shipping. The last equipment I imported took 3+ months to arrive.
07:04 PM {HD}: US
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: ah then look local
07:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/entry-level-machine
07:05 PM CaptHindsight: he's not a scammer but he is Chinese
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: I purchased some cnc routers from them since they are local and planned on rebuilding them
07:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/industrial-level-machine
07:07 PM CaptHindsight: One year Parts warranty 3 Months laser Tube warranty
07:07 PM {HD}: I was hoping to spend around $5k but looking at that site I will be more into the 8k range
07:07 PM {HD}: for what I wanted.
07:07 PM _unreal_: there is just ZERO info on the net for the fmd2740c motor controller
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: how much do you wish to gamble?
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: ^^
07:08 PM {HD}: _unreal_: those look very similar to what I am using. Let me go look what model I have.
07:08 PM CaptHindsight: you pay more for less risk
07:09 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: I don't want to loose a bunch of money...
07:09 PM _unreal_: {HD}, I doubt you have the same one's
07:09 PM _unreal_: I could be wrong but I highly doubt it
07:09 PM CaptHindsight: how long will it take to get replacement parts from China?
07:09 PM CaptHindsight: what happens if you get a lemon?
07:09 PM Tom_L: 3 months
07:09 PM {HD}: _unreal_: mine are labeled 'dq860ma'
07:10 PM CaptHindsight: how do you even return it if it arrives as a box of broken parts?
07:10 PM Tom_L: in a canoe
07:10 PM _unreal_: I am truly dumbfounded
07:10 PM _unreal_: I can not get those motor controllers to enable for nothing
07:11 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: that is all true and I guess you have to buy from someone who wants you to be happy. Again I just imported a bunch of big machines and had good luck.
07:11 PM _unreal_: I got one a few times to enable briefly
07:11 PM CaptHindsight: yet they wuz enabled by the *duino
07:11 PM _unreal_: but now not at all
07:11 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight, I only got one to enable
07:11 PM _unreal_: and that was manully wiring it to turn on
07:11 PM Tom_L: gecko 203v are awesome
07:11 PM _unreal_: when I put everything back it couldnt get it to go again
07:11 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: how much do you wish to gamble? Does the same supplier sell lasers?
07:12 PM _unreal_: I have zero money right now
07:12 PM _unreal_: I'm broke beyond broke
07:13 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: unfortunately no. They built me a custom pnp machine and 12 stage reflow oven... I think that is their speciality. I could ask them if they have a partner or recommendation though.
07:13 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: dealing with China is all about building up relationships
07:13 PM CaptHindsight: or gambling
07:14 PM W1N9Zr0: it's only 3 month warranty because glass laser tubes wear out fast. commercial laser place around here measured their tubes after 1 year of use, and they're outputing less than half the original power level
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: or alibaba escrow or similar
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: RF vs DC laser
07:15 PM W1N9Zr0: yes, our makerspace RF laser is from 1994 and it's still pumping out 24 out of the 25W
07:17 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: not much of a deal if your laser wears out quickly or needs service
07:18 PM {HD}: W1N9Zr0: really so RF really is MUCH better.
07:18 PM W1N9Zr0: it is, but it's also 10x+ the price of chinese DC tubes
07:18 PM _unreal_: lasers depend more on there source of generation
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: I've gotten some Coherent RF lasers on ebay for cheap
07:19 PM _unreal_: co2, vs argon, vers etc.....
07:19 PM _unreal_: helium lasers
07:20 PM {HD}: Well I have a little 5w diode laser now and its amazing. So, I know I want to upgrade. I suspect a machine that is 3-8k would pay for itself in a year easy.
07:20 PM {HD}: Now 30-80k would be a huge investment that I cannot take on atm.
07:20 PM XXCoder: i do want stronger laser machine but no idea what to buy, assuming i was still employed lol
07:20 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/COHERENT-Laser-Head-GEM-LASER-9-6-um-POWERSUPPLY-D1000L-RF-ONLY-100Watts-100MHz/254215152911
07:21 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: thats not bad. Now find one in a machine for me.
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: +$5000 get you lots of machine
07:22 PM {HD}: XXCoder: when were you going to buy?
07:22 PM XXCoder: not anytime soon
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: what scn area do you want?
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: scan even
07:24 PM {HD}: I want at least 4’ wide. So maybe a 48x36...
07:24 PM {HD}: Or even 60x48
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Trumpf-TLA700-RF-Drive-Excited-CO2-Laser-700-watts-cnc-cutter/293027117109
07:30 PM W1N9Zr0: for such a big cut area, you probably want a higher-power laser. at least 90/100W, just because of how long it would take to engrave/cut big pieces
07:30 PM XXCoder: hope there would be 100w diode someday
07:31 PM XXCoder: that one, sometime s"unable to test" really is "tested and failed but dont want to say so"
07:32 PM W1N9Zr0: "as is" = someone used a hammer and an axe to get it out of a machine, that's why there's no photo of the back side of the item
07:33 PM {HD}: CaptHindsight: wtf is that thing‽
07:33 PM {HD}: W1N9Zr0: yea I figured 100+ is what I wanted.
08:39 PM unterhaus: ebay gave me a coupon for wasting so much time and money on there over the years
08:54 PM {HD}: For how much?
08:58 PM XXCoder: heyyyy little myfordboy mill makes a comeback https://youtu.be/ZYfaIgx9ljY
08:58 PM XXCoder: been quite a while!
09:02 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECI-100W-CO2-Laser-Engraver-Cutting-Machine-Laser-Cutter-1300-X-2500mm/133507455584 specs don't make sense
09:02 PM CaptHindsight: even the metric to inch doesn't make sense
09:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/RECI-W2-100W-Co2-1300x2500mm-Flatbed-Laser-Cutter-Cutting-Machine-Ruida-RDworks/133236948886 looks like they can divide by 25.4
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: Reci W2 100W laser tube 400.00 US $/pc
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: Mirorrs and Lens 150.00 US $/set
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: We recommend you to order one spare laser tube and one set mirrors and lens( three reflecting mirrors and one focus lens), it will reduce much shipping cost and time when you need them.
09:12 PM esensoy: Hey there, I have a problem with EVB-LAN9252-DIGIO ethercat board,
09:12 PM esensoy: ethercat works,
09:12 PM esensoy: I am getting this screen with $ ethercat xml
09:13 PM esensoy: <?xml version="1.0" ?><EtherCATInfo> <!-- Slave 0 --> <Vendor> <Id>3758097624</Id> </Vendor> <Descriptions> <Devices> <Device> <Type ProductCode="#x0000000d" RevisionNo="#x00000001">LAN9252-DIGIO-2PORT</Type> <Name><![CDATA[9252 8 Ch. Dig. In-/Output 2xMII (No DC)]]></Name> <Sm Enable="9" StartAddress="#xf01"
09:13 PM esensoy: ControlByte="#x44" DefaultSize="0" /> <Sm Enable="1" StartAddress="#x1000" ControlByte="#x0" DefaultSize="0" /> <RxPdo Sm="0" Fixed="1" Mandatory="1"> <Index>#x1a00</Index> <Name>Byte 0</Name> <Entry> <Index>#x3101</Index> <SubIndex>1</SubIndex> <BitLen>8</BitLen>
09:13 PM esensoy: <Name>Output</Name> <DataType>UINT8</DataType> </Entry> </RxPdo> <TxPdo Sm="1" Fixed="1" Mandatory="1"> <Index>#x1600</Index> <Name>Byte 0</Name> <Entry> <Index>#x3001</Index> <SubIndex>1</SubIndex> <BitLen>8</BitLen> <Name>Input</Name>
09:13 PM esensoy: <DataType>UINT8</DataType> </Entry> </TxPdo> </Device> </Devices> </Descriptions></EtherCATInfo>
09:13 PM XXCoder: whoa
09:13 PM XXCoder: i suggest dpaste if its large amount of text
09:13 PM XXCoder: dpaste.com
09:13 PM esensoy: sorry
09:14 PM XXCoder: no problem :) i bet it'd be more readable too :)
09:14 PM esensoy: https://dpaste.com/3VA54YNBC
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: {HD}: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mitsubishi-Co2-3-Axis-CNC-Laser-Cutting-System-1995-Model-ML3020D-3-0kW-/303554388333
09:15 PM esensoy: My ethercat-conf.xml https://dpaste.com/9LZ2BZUPX
09:17 PM esensoy: and lathe-postgui.hal https://dpaste.com/7GXFXXTJU
09:17 PM XXCoder: capt dang thats heavy duty one. probably needs major rebuild and computer system gut and build new
09:18 PM esensoy: It seems everything works, when the computer boots, RUN led on the board blinking, also
09:18 PM esensoy: I check the state board with command ethercat slaves, it seems int PREOP,
09:19 PM esensoy: After I start linuxcnc, RUN led stops blinking, and always on, and the state of board going to OP
09:20 PM esensoy: but I cant make any changes on digital outputs,
09:20 PM esensoy: Is the ethercat-conf.xml is ok?
09:23 PM roycroft: dr fauci is on 60 minutes tonight
09:23 PM roycroft: this should be interesting
09:25 PM XXCoder: esens hope someone can answer evenually :)
09:25 PM {HD}: Thats ulgy
09:29 PM esensoy: XXCoder: I hope=D
10:44 PM roycroft: and the robocalls are almost non-stop
10:44 PM roycroft: i should just disconnect my phone until after the election
10:46 PM CaptHindsight: mine don't leave messages
10:54 PM roycroft: the thing is
10:54 PM roycroft: i aleady voted
10:54 PM roycroft: there is no possible way anyone can influence my vote on anything at this point
10:56 PM CaptHindsight: not even the postal service? :)
10:56 PM roycroft: i took it directly to an official ballot repository
10:56 PM roycroft: i did not mail it
11:46 PM roycroft: it's proving to be extremely difficult to find a webcam that costs less than several hundred dollars that has an ethernet interface and is configurable via a web interface as opposed to installing an app on a smart phone and connecting the phone and the camera to "the cloud"
11:47 PM roycroft: i have some old cisco cameras that can be configured via a serial connection or a telnet session
11:47 PM roycroft: but i don't have lenses for them
11:52 PM CaptHindsight: hardware is getting more difficult to find that you have control over and that unwanted other do not
11:52 PM CaptHindsight: so difficult that it does even come into the minds of younger engineers
11:54 PM CaptHindsight: i asked around a few years ago for hardware to use for a firewall that does not require any closed blobs in order for it to run
11:55 PM CaptHindsight: was more of a psychological experiment since i knew I'd get the "why does that matter" for most responses
11:56 PM CaptHindsight: no blobs, no back doors, no closed firmware
11:58 PM roycroft: i need to mount this camera away from a computer
11:58 PM roycroft: so i can't use usb
11:58 PM roycroft: the camera will have no access to the outside world at all, ever
11:58 PM CaptHindsight: the allwinner ARM SOC's were first thought of to be a possible fit, but they are all designed and built in China
11:59 PM roycroft: alexa can go intercourse herself if she wants to check out my camera
11:59 PM roycroft: she's not permitted on my property
11:59 PM roycroft: nor is siri
11:59 PM roycroft: they are both banned
11:59 PM CaptHindsight: the ARISC micro was later discovered to be integrated into them and now may be used for very fast software stepping