#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 04 2020

12:13 AM snakedGT is now known as snaked
04:39 AM miss0r2: JT it is almost done: https://imgur.com/a/VxliVrg
06:09 AM Tom_L: morning
06:17 AM jymmmm: morning folks
06:17 AM XXCoder: heys
06:18 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:37 AM JT-Cave: miss0r2, looking like that won't crack
10:54 AM veegee: YAY pepto bismol worked
10:55 AM robotustra: does anybody have a DIY power hack saw?
10:58 AM JavaBean: veegee, be warned. from my experience, your gut will have its revenge
10:58 AM veegee: I've used it several times before
10:58 AM veegee: This is the first time I've used it preemptively
10:59 AM veegee: bismuth has a way of coating the intestines to interfere with bacterial cell processes
10:59 AM JavaBean: thats usually the time that my gut has the most revenge
11:01 AM veegee: it's not "revenge". Your body is just trying to get rid of things that shouldn't be there
11:02 AM veegee: I took it last night immediately after I knew I ate something bad. 12 hours later and I feel perfectly fine
11:04 AM JavaBean: that isn't what my gut says. it tells me quite clearly that i shouldn't get in its way of summoning demons. atleast it isn't trying to summon the great old ones though, so i should atleast be thankful for that
11:04 AM Rab: Lemme get this straight. You're taking amphetamines, so you're taking sleep medication, so you're eating rotten smoothies, so you're eating pepto bismol?
11:09 AM veegee: yesa
11:09 AM veegee: But no the sleep medication isn't to counter the amphetamines
11:10 AM veegee: the amphetamines help me sleep as well because I _actually_ have ADD. It's a theraputic dose. Not looking to get a high like some junkie school kid
11:11 AM veegee: My brain just has a lot of chemical imbalance naturally. Later confirmed through genetic testing
11:17 AM JavaBean: SQUIRREL
01:39 PM Loetmichel: *MAAN* am i pissed now. Just got a letter from the german officials. "According to the manufacturer:Your car has a bad Airbag. Unless you prove to us that it is repaired until 10/12/20 or we will invalidate the license plates at your cost!!!"... that car never had the defective airbag/steering wheel installed. Now i have to buy a new windshield for 500++eur (the one it has now has a crack
01:39 PM Loetmichel: on the passenger side) so i can drive to the approval agency and show them that it never had an error to begin with. German bureaucracy. assholes. :-(
01:54 PM robotustra: Loetmichel, goveniment is a legalized apparatus of violence
01:55 PM Loetmichel: more like some petty idiots that get off on exercising what little they have on power over others.
01:58 PM robotustra: EU govs are political impotents, but they still have power on peasants like you and me
02:04 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I just gave up and have ripped all the wiring out and servo motors and have already swapped in with my large steppers I'm 1000% confident I fucked every one of those controllers the first time I turned the power on. thanks to that short I didnt know about
02:10 PM _unreal_: now I cant even serial into them
02:10 PM _unreal_: I tried different computers and nothing
02:10 PM _unreal_: so at this point the entire SERVO project has been scrapped ripped out and cut up :)
02:11 PM _unreal_: its very clear the problem is at the servo level
02:11 PM _unreal_: not servo, silicon level
02:39 PM JT-Shop: wow my shop made pin spanner worked!
02:42 PM Tom_L: you doubted?
02:48 PM JavaBean: always doubt until you test
02:49 PM Tom_L: have confidence in your experience
02:49 PM Tom_L: that's why you get paid the big bux
02:50 PM * JavaBean looks at wallet, tries to not cry............ cries alot
02:52 PM JT-Shop: the condition of the threads on the cylinder was the unknown factor for me
02:52 PM _unreal_: o,O java thanks to the ASSWHOLE manager at work who fucked up my breaks illegaly with the sole reason of trying to fuck me up during my break while I am trading stacks.. I'm down 12k
02:53 PM * JavaBean tries to pat pat _unreal_, misses and smacks him on the back of the head
02:53 PM _unreal_: oand I just lost an other 1k this past week because a stock had a reverse split Ihad no idea about. nad from what I found out FEW people did.o they hid the filing so well I hope they get sued
02:53 PM Tom_L: it's all good. you'd just spend it anyway
02:54 PM _unreal_: I'm going to take him to court come tax time.
02:54 PM _unreal_: :)
02:54 PM Tom_L: lawyers win again
02:55 PM JavaBean: they are the only one who ACTUALLY win
02:55 PM JavaBean: tho, at the same time.... they never actually LOSE
03:06 PM JT-Shop: now to find a 28mm socket...
03:24 PM _unreal_: 28mm sockets I have 3 at work
03:24 PM jdh: make one
03:25 PM JavaBean: might be faster to grab one from the store, when he stops and grabs food
03:26 PM Deejay: gn8
03:26 PM Tom_L: bye
03:26 PM Tom_L: JavaBean, doubtful since he lives on a dead end road at the end of a dead end road
03:27 PM JavaBean: i didn't say lunch, i said food
03:29 PM _unreal_: few.... just mowed the lawn
03:29 PM _unreal_: thinking about jumping in the pool but been raining all @#$@#$ day long
03:29 PM _unreal_: pool is likely cold as HELL
03:29 PM JavaBean: i thought hell was supposed to be warm
03:29 PM _unreal_: was till it froze over
03:30 PM Tom_L: didn't think Florida got below 60
03:31 PM JavaBean: wait... florida froze??? but floridaman in another room didn't mention that. just the wannabe hurricanes headed that general direction
03:38 PM louipc: stinkpot: so u wanna make a cnc machine?
03:38 PM stinkpot: i think i just wanna buy one
03:39 PM louipc: actually haas uses a linux based control these days too
03:39 PM louipc: and that is 'industrial grade'
03:40 PM louipc: you can watch movies on the control now lol
03:41 PM louipc: stinkpot: whats your budget
03:41 PM stinkpot: about $1500
03:41 PM stinkpot: i wanted to get something big enough to do wood routing
03:42 PM stinkpot: not 4x8' tho
03:42 PM louipc: yikes.. not sure what you can get, if anything with that
03:45 PM louipc: oh.. guess something does exist https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000044117552.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.599356a7AhqtoP
03:46 PM stinkpot: i'm looking for something that i saw
03:47 PM stinkpot: can't remember the name now
03:47 PM stinkpot: i saw it in a youtube vid
04:01 PM andypugh: syyl_: Watching a YouTube video that discusses parting, I was reminded that I made this. https://photos.app.goo.gl/DATq6ZtZ9onyzyV17
04:01 PM andypugh: Well, Create Tool made most of it, to be fair.
04:01 PM syyl_: did you buy a multifix blank?
04:02 PM andypugh: `Yes
04:02 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/bkoxMmvoeTc1MatRA
04:02 PM andypugh: Is the reason for it, P H Horn parting cartridge
04:02 PM andypugh: Create Tool sell blanks.
04:02 PM syyl_: oh nice
04:03 PM syyl_: thats a rigid solution :D
04:03 PM syyl_: i modified an ancient multifix parting holder
04:03 PM Eric__: I had some of those toolholders. Might have thrown them out though
04:03 PM andypugh: Looking back, $32 for a Multifix size A blank back in 2015.
04:03 PM syyl_: http://gtwr.de/div/IMG_8675.jpg
04:04 PM Eric__: don't think I had a parting tool
04:04 PM syyl_: http://gtwr.de/div/IMG_8703.jpg
04:05 PM andypugh: Your version has the advantage that you can part more than 50mm.
04:05 PM syyl_: kinda
04:06 PM syyl_: above 50..60mm in diameter strong optimism is needed
04:07 PM andypugh: If I need to part-off something bigger than that I need: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EPYtThjdTUmbyHzP9
04:07 PM syyl_: haha :D
04:07 PM syyl_: oh, do you have a holder for the bandsaw?
04:07 PM syyl_: or is that something else?
04:07 PM andypugh: It mounts to the T-slot for the taper-turning attachment.
04:07 PM syyl_: haha cool
04:08 PM andypugh: Yes, it uses the same pivot as the angle vice that it came with,
04:08 PM louipc: hmm neat idea
04:08 PM andypugh: If I was doing it again it would mount to the carriage for easy position setting.
04:09 PM louipc: you rotate the spindle while sawing?
04:09 PM andypugh: No.
04:09 PM andypugh: I suppose you could.
04:09 PM louipc: i wonder how that would turn out
04:10 PM louipc: probly go low speed
04:10 PM andypugh: Prettier, I suppose.
04:10 PM andypugh: Anyway, that saw was from Aldi and is probably the best £160 I ever spent on a tool. https://www.aldi.co.uk/scheppach-240v-portable-band-saw/p/705789387306200
04:18 PM skunkwor1s is now known as skunkworks
04:23 PM skunkworks: yay
04:23 PM skunkworks: band saws are nice
04:23 PM andypugh: My lumps of 1/2” plate suddenly look useful now that I have a bandsaw.
04:23 PM skunkworks: started taking the shaper apart to see why the downfeed isn't working. 2 issues - the keyway that runs along the lead screw is missing and the ratchet isn't working/
04:23 PM andypugh: Surely the keyway is still there, but the key is missing?
04:23 PM skunkworks: heh - Many times sitting on our 4x6 bandsaw cutting stuff.
04:23 PM skunkworks: andypugh: correct..
04:23 PM skunkworks: I suck at english
04:23 PM skunkworks: We don't know what is supposed to trap the key - but need to dig in deeper
04:32 PM robotustra: how china produce a tonns of garbage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ0hIwLR6zs
04:33 PM JT-Shop: Kubota back together and no leaks!
04:33 PM robotustra: they call it "amaizing"
04:34 PM JT-Shop: https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/saws/band-saws/20v-max-liion-band-saw-tool-only/dcs371b
04:34 PM JT-Shop: I have that bandsaw
04:35 PM robotustra: I would like to see a production in canada/usa
04:38 PM andypugh: robotustra: Don’t you get “How it’s made” in the US? That’s largely Canada with a bit of US and Europe thrown in.
04:38 PM Tom_L: regal theaters closing in US and UK 543 in US and 128 in Uk
04:38 PM Tom_L: for you movie goers
04:38 PM Tom_L: holding bond back was the last straw
04:43 PM robotustra: andypugh, how many years ago?
04:44 PM andypugh: No idea. Some of them seem quite old, but get repeated endlessly on cable.
04:44 PM robotustra: andypugh, I was working on one of canadian plant 10 years ago. Have an idea about productoin in Canada
04:44 PM robotustra: andypugh, lot's of production was outsourced to china
04:45 PM andypugh: Many are on Youtube too: Here’s a very Canadian one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrnJmip2FU
04:45 PM robotustra: starting from 1971
04:45 PM louipc: is it maple syrup
04:45 PM louipc: close enough
04:47 PM robotustra: hockey sticks and maple syrop is a finite consumption products, not a heavy industry. I saw one vidoe about steel production, it is in Ontario, but I didn't get any about machinary production
04:47 PM robotustra: I don't know industry machine production in Canada
04:48 PM louipc: theres a lot of companies doing automation machines in ontario
04:48 PM robotustra: in US I know at least HAAS and Tormach
04:48 PM andypugh: This is industry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEvwVVSsd74
04:49 PM robotustra: automation? what about milling machines, grinders and lathes?
04:49 PM louipc: for machine tools, theres 'Racer'
04:49 PM louipc: http://racerinternational.com/companyprofile.html probly some others
04:49 PM robotustra: andypugh, well, it's a film for kids, I prefer documentary
04:50 PM andypugh: There is a tour of the Onsrud factory on the NYCCNC channel.
04:50 PM andypugh: They make some rather serous routers.
04:50 PM robotustra: like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7JqXbm-Nwo
04:50 PM robotustra: yep
04:50 PM andypugh: DMM servos are in Canadia.
04:50 PM robotustra: there are some tours
04:51 PM robotustra: Onsrud where is it?
04:51 PM andypugh: https://youtu.be/dXBIKDdUrow
04:52 PM andypugh: Charlotte NC
04:52 PM robotustra: it's usa
04:52 PM andypugh: I didn’t notice the question change.
04:52 PM robotustra: what about canadian industry?
04:53 PM robotustra: I mean there is not so much documentary about canadian heavy industry
04:54 PM robotustra: does canada build cnc mills or lathes?
04:54 PM robotustra: or VMC?
04:54 PM andypugh: Search for “canada” on this page: http://www.lathes.co.uk
04:55 PM andypugh: Looks like there have been at least 19 Canadian lathe makers.
04:56 PM andypugh: http://www.lathes.co.uk/mcdougall/
04:57 PM louipc: looks like ancient history
04:57 PM robotustra: andypugh, it was long time ago :)
04:57 PM robotustra: I know that site
04:57 PM andypugh: Found you one: http://www.standard-modern.com
04:58 PM louipc: yea. RACER
04:58 PM andypugh: So I see, now.
04:58 PM robotustra: andypugh, this looks ok, didn't know this company
04:58 PM louipc: i think toshiba was making boring mills here tho..
04:59 PM louipc: havent been to trade show in bout 5yrs
04:59 PM andypugh: I was using lathes.co.uk as a starting point as the site often says if a company is still in business.
05:00 PM andypugh: DMM are in Richmon, BC: http://www.dmm-tech.com
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: do you think trade shows will return next year or by 2022?
05:00 PM robotustra: racer looks modern
05:02 PM robotustra: is there any production of table top lathes except china?
05:03 PM andypugh: Cowells? http://www.cowells.com
05:04 PM andypugh: Boxford: https://www.boxford.co.uk
05:05 PM andypugh: `Sherline
05:06 PM Tom_L: heh
05:06 PM Tom_L: more a toy
05:06 PM andypugh: The Cowells one is just small, it isn’t a toy.
05:06 PM robotustra: not so small, more like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/8-x-16-Mini-Metal-Lathe-750W-Variable-Speed-DC-Motor-50-2500RPM-Metalworking/282577774323
05:06 PM Tom_L: is it aluminum or steel?
05:07 PM Tom_L: sherline is aluminum
05:07 PM andypugh: The Cowells is cast iron on an aluminium base plate
05:07 PM andypugh: Talkingn of toys, it isn’t clear what the Manson was: http://www.lathes.co.uk/manson/index.html
05:08 PM louipc: cast iron is good
05:19 PM robotustra: boxford is in uk
05:19 PM robotustra: not in canada
05:19 PM robotustra: grizzly like milling machines are not produced in canada?
05:20 PM stinkpot: nice, i like how-its-made videos
05:22 PM robotustra: boxford machines are for making toys, I don't think someone can make a steel gear on it
05:25 PM robotustra: https://i.imgur.com/aYhXtAD.jpg
05:25 PM robotustra: you can't make setup like this on toyish machinies
05:26 PM louipc: looks like pain
05:26 PM louipc: oh nvm lol
05:29 PM robotustra: but I did a gear
05:29 PM robotustra: it works
05:30 PM louipc: yea angled teeth
05:31 PM robotustra: did you see that?
05:31 PM louipc: i just saw your rotary is tilted
05:32 PM louipc: well the arbor gives it away
05:32 PM robotustra: https://i.imgur.com/cU855BL.jpg
05:33 PM robotustra: https://i.imgur.com/fhw50fd.jpg
05:33 PM robotustra: that's what I got
05:33 PM robotustra: just becasue this gear does not exist for sale
05:34 PM louipc: whats it for
05:35 PM robotustra: motor gear for this mill
05:36 PM robotustra: this chinese mills are with plastic hears originally
05:36 PM robotustra: and I want them metal
05:36 PM louipc: yea
05:37 PM louipc: careful you dont burn out the motor then :p
05:37 PM robotustra: actually I already burned 10A fuse two times
05:37 PM robotustra: just replaced it and that's it
05:37 PM louipc: hehe
05:38 PM robotustra: I stalled the moror 2 times
05:38 PM robotustra: to replace fuse it's easy
05:39 PM robotustra: too many "safety" features on this small machine
05:43 PM robotustra: well, as soon as I understand this is the smallest possible lather from SM: http://www.standard-modern.com/1300.html
05:44 PM CaptHindsight: I should start printing complex gears
05:44 PM robotustra: CaptHindsight, like what? do you have a picture?
05:46 PM robotustra: I'm going to make steel gear like this one
05:46 PM robotustra: don't know if the gear cutter will survive after that
05:47 PM CaptHindsight: https://static5.depositphotos.com/1021864/423/i/950/depositphotos_4236803-stock-photo-impossible-mechanism.jpg
05:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://cdn.thomasnet.com/insights-images/embedded-images/99f2f999-0133-4767-9694-9ce8a8af4147/e8eb29c7-8def-4981-99f8-b950ce0d9ef3/FullHD/Example-of-a-spiral-bevel-gear-pair.jpg
05:49 PM Tom_L: 2nd one looks like a rather regular ring and pinion
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: usual teeth
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: holes
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: metal stuff
05:51 PM robotustra: CaptHindsight, what do you need this gears for?
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: make money, move to France
05:52 PM Tom_L: why france?
05:54 PM robotustra: CaptHindsight, teach me how to make money with printing gears?
05:54 PM robotustra: :)
05:55 PM robotustra: the geras on your first picture is one I made, but because it's narrow and angle is only 10 degree - you can't see the serration
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: people, dairy and way of life
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: and BAKING
05:57 PM robotustra: you mean croissants?
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: Germans are too uptight for me
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: baguettes and other breads
06:01 PM robotustra: I think french people do not like foregners
06:01 PM JT-Cave: that's the feeling I got each time I was there but much worse in Zurich
06:04 PM robotustra: what a prices: https://www.sterlingmachinery.com/grinders/grinders-cylindrical-plain-angle-universal.html
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: robotustra: I'm trying to cast them as complete as possible now with as little secondary machining as possible
06:06 PM robotustra: cast them from which metal?
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: just about any
06:07 PM robotustra: can you melt steel?
06:07 PM JavaBean: possibly, considering the damage i can do to porcelean
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: synthetic sands and investment materials can hold up to >4,000F
06:09 PM CaptHindsight: sorry 2200 C
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: robotustra: I work with foundries
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: I just make the sand and investment mold/core printers
06:11 PM robotustra: so you know a lot about castings?
06:12 PM robotustra: how you will cast your gers in France?
06:12 PM robotustra: gears
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/IvelAIb trials from last year
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: 0.2mm resolution
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ using play/beach sand
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: synthetic sand particles may be made down to the few microns
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: robotustra: i will hire young French peasant women as labor
06:18 PM robotustra: young French peasant women all gone to Quebec
06:18 PM robotustra: :)
06:19 PM robotustra: I have the same ruler
06:20 PM robotustra: SM does not publish prices
06:20 PM robotustra: they think they will get max profit by doing this
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: robotustra: I have a Canada trip planned as soon as they let me in
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.cbc.ca/2017/canadathestoryofus/most-french-canadians-are-descended-from-these-800-women-1.4029699
06:30 PM snakedGT is now known as snaked
06:31 PM JT-Cave: except for the Cajuns
06:38 PM robotustra: CaptHindsight, yes I know that
06:43 PM robotustra: Onsrud machines are on welded frame, cool
06:43 PM robotustra: I wander if th frame is bolted if it will have the same accuracy as welded
06:50 PM Rab: robotustra, I saw your replacement gear. Did you hob it from scratch, or are you modifying an off-the-shelf helical gear to fit?
06:51 PM robotustra: from the scratch
06:51 PM robotustra: gonna do 2 more for practice
06:52 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.euroceram.org/en/technologies/binder-jetting/slurry-based.html imagine this process used for molds vs parts
06:53 PM robotustra: Ra
06:53 PM robotustra: Rab, https://i.imgur.com/Lpun6eC.jpg
06:53 PM robotustra: https://i.imgur.com/u2qyojo.jpg
06:55 PM louipc: robotustra: need to get u a lathe asap hehe
06:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/6/6b/UHTC_Propeller.webm/UHTC_Propeller.webm.480p.vp9.webm
06:58 PM louipc: what u need ceramics for
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: investments, molds and cores
07:00 PM robotustra: CaptHindsight, I want to build my house like this
07:01 PM louipc: i dont understand
07:01 PM Rab: robotustra, looks great!
07:03 PM Rab: robotustra, so you hobbed it on the mill with a rotary table?
07:03 PM louipc: robotustra: why do you want standard modern lathe?
07:07 PM robotustra: Rab, yes
07:07 PM CaptHindsight: louipc: https://www.additivemanufacturing.media/articles/foundry-says-robotic-sand-printing-a-game-changer-for-metal-casting
07:07 PM robotustra: louipc, what is "standard" for you?
07:07 PM louipc: robotustra:that was the brand you linked
07:08 PM robotustra: I live in appartment :)
07:09 PM louipc: CaptHindsight: i dont get it. 3d print takes a long time
07:09 PM robotustra: so I need small table type lathe, and all of them 1) not cnc 2) have weak motor 3) have small chuck/spindle bore
07:09 PM CaptHindsight: louipc: some do, some don't
07:10 PM louipc: would rather print a pattern, then its reusable
07:10 PM CaptHindsight: louipc: 3d printing is not just CNC glue guns
07:10 PM louipc: sure you have resin curing printers and stuff
07:10 PM CaptHindsight: yes
07:11 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/zvxoHUT big ones and little ones
07:11 PM louipc: still takes awhile
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: it's m, fast, slow, small, big ecty job to make things work
07:12 PM louipc: oh yea dlp
07:13 PM CaptHindsight: it's my job to make things work, fast, slow, big, tiny etc etc
07:13 PM louipc: you dlp a sand mold?
07:13 PM CaptHindsight: yes
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: or other ceramics
07:14 PM CaptHindsight: even glass
07:15 PM robotustra: louipc, the closest by specs to my lathe will be this one: https://www.amazon.ca/WM210V-Digital-Brushless-Spindle-Machine/dp/B0895445JM/ref=pd_sbs_469_4/134-7021033-1079341
07:15 PM robotustra: but it's not cnc
07:15 PM louipc: i guess im thinking more about mass production. wouldnt make as much sense
07:16 PM louipc: robotustra: that lathe you linked isnt cnc either
07:17 PM robotustra: did you see mine?
07:18 PM louipc: 1300 right?
07:18 PM robotustra: no
07:18 PM robotustra: I'm making my own
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: louipc: for high volume you make patterns
07:18 PM louipc: CaptHindsight: yea
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: for low volume and quick turn you 3d print the molds and cores
07:18 PM louipc: robotustra: oh cool
07:19 PM robotustra: louipc, https://i.imgur.com/vN5JOTh.jpg
07:20 PM robotustra: https://i.imgur.com/3n55Kp8.jpg
07:21 PM robotustra: https://i.imgur.com/hre9pIE.jpg
07:22 PM robotustra: tube insibe will be replaced with real spindle
07:22 PM louipc: ok. i thought you were shopping and looking for prices heh
07:23 PM robotustra: I was wandering if there any canadian production of small table lathes
07:23 PM robotustra: apparently there is no
07:23 PM louipc: dont think so
07:23 PM robotustra: only chinisium
07:24 PM louipc: are u in canada?
07:24 PM robotustra: yes
07:24 PM robotustra: mtl
07:34 PM louipc: robotustra: check out cyclematic for inspiration Producing a close copy of the well-known Hardinge HLV-H toolroom lathe, and based in Shen Kank, Taichung, Taiwan, the Cyclematic Company is under the control of Mr. Edward Chang who takes great pride in turning out a top-quality product. A full range of models is offered including one with a very clever digitally-controlled screwcutting arrangement
07:34 PM louipc: that uses a servo-motor-driven leadscrew to replace the usual gearbox. Versions are also made fitted with CNC controls and for precision plain-turning, repetition capstan and second-operation work. Compared to the last-known price of $60,000 of the Hardinge a Cyclematic with gear-driven screwcutting must be considered a bargain at less than US$20,000 FOB. In the UK the brand is handled by Mid
07:34 PM louipc: Bucks Machine Tools, who can be contacted here
07:34 PM louipc: oops
07:35 PM louipc: robotustra: https://www.cyclematic.com/toolroom-lathe-CJ-27CNC.htm
07:35 PM louipc: check out cyclematic for inspiration
07:35 PM louipc: its taiwanese, they make some hardinge copies. theyre very good
07:38 PM robotustra: this one has small spindle bore
07:38 PM robotustra: I'll have 6" chuck
07:38 PM robotustra: and about 40 mm through hole
07:42 PM louipc: any collet chuck?
07:46 PM robotustra: louipc, it depends on what precision I'll get from it. I'll use standard south band 10 lathe spindle, it has MT5 in it
07:46 PM robotustra: and I have two chucks, 6" and 5"
07:46 PM robotustra: which fit's this spindle
07:48 PM louipc: 5c collet chuck. very accurate and repeatable
07:48 PM robotustra: https://imgur.com/a/PiSaRT6
07:48 PM louipc: but it limits the size of stock
07:49 PM robotustra: I need to have something for general turning up to 180mm in diameter
07:49 PM robotustra: I'll drive spindle with 1.2 kW motor
07:57 PM snaked: With a 2.8.0 install from "Debian 10 Buster PREEMPT-RT ISO" the default settings are for a blank screen and lockout after five or ten minutes of inactivity. I want to disable the lock screen, but I'm not finding any GUI means to do so in the Settings Manager.
07:58 PM snaked: Some xset thing in the CLI?
08:05 PM CaptHindsight: snaked: yeah Debian has screen blanking on by default
08:06 PM CaptHindsight: I wish it was fixed in the LCNC 2.8ISO but there were soi mnay other problems to get it released it was just overlooked
08:06 PM snaked: Mmm. I looked up how to do this in xfce and was referred to a "screensaver" section of settings that's missing.
08:07 PM Tom_L: i thought andy did an iso for that maybe i'm mistaken
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: snaked: which desktop are you using XFCE?
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: and yeah XFCE is a work in progress so many widgets are still missing
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: there is a ML thread on this
08:08 PM CaptHindsight: snaked: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/29-forum-announcements/40212-linuxcnc-2-8-0-buster-iso-file-re-issued
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: 1) Navigate to /etc/xdg/autostart and delete the files light-locker.desktop and xscreensaver.desktop
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: 2) Create a file "10-monitor.conf" in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory (you might need to create the directory) containing the following:
08:10 PM snaked: Oh, this post is just yesterday. I was scratching my head over why nothing more recent than 2015 was coming up in search engine results.
08:10 PM snaked: Anyway, thanks. I'm not running an OSHA compliant shop in my garage, but separating the user from the controls with a password on a machine with exposed spinning blades at 24k is... pretty unacceptable :D
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: yes
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: it was an oversight
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: it's been bothering me for years like the network config in debian if you skip it at install
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: you have to go command line vs use the graphical manager
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: frustrating since they leave the graphical manager there even though it does nothing
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: but you are supposed to remember that it's broken and use the command line
08:13 PM snaked: Yeah, this machine will never see the Internet, so I was mildly annoyed at the setup utility's confusion and protest over not picking a repo.
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: vs just fix the graphical tool or pull the tool out
08:13 PM snaked: It would also be nice to be able to set the system clock in the GUI, but... meh.
08:14 PM CaptHindsight: yes more broken
08:14 PM CaptHindsight: but now it's tradition after 10+ years
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: you slam a distro together, proclaim it works wince the kernel seems to have screen, keyboard and mouse
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: but all the eiwidgets are broken and there are links in the app launcher that DO NOTHING
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: pull the shit out if it's not working
08:16 PM snaked: Hahaha. From my perspective as a user, I run Ubuntu full time, so you'd think I'd be used to little headaches like headaches like that. But moving upstream to a Debian flavor makes things *just* different enough that I wonder if I'm crazy.
08:17 PM louipc: gotta jump thru hoops just to print certain pdfs. this is linux
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: yeah in Ubuntu or Debian or fedora
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: once you build a good Gentoo system you never go back
08:18 PM snaked: In any case, I can't just play the part of the disgruntled user. I should add that I've had this setup running since Monday and am pretty damn pleased that it moves my machine around and eats my gcode without complaining much.
08:18 PM snaked: That's a night and day difference between now and the nightmare that was grbl.
08:18 PM louipc: gentoo broke too much i went to arch
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: louipc: yeah you have to make wise choices
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: and Arch used to break with every update
08:19 PM louipc: i guess in its infancy
08:19 PM snaked: The fear of that is what has kept me away from Arch.
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: ran Arch 7-10 years ago
08:19 PM louipc: but they got good at it since more than 10yr ago
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: got tired of having to fix things with every update
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: but you learn how Linux works
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: didn't they go lazy with systemD?
08:20 PM louipc: lazy?
08:21 PM Rab: It's all gone downhill since Slackware.
08:21 PM Rab: But I do like having apt. ;)
08:21 PM CaptHindsight: systemD anyway, guberment creep, windowsification, etc etc
08:22 PM louipc: theres systemd but i dont know whatever else you talkin about
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: corporate control of Linux
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: louipc: it's ok
08:22 PM louipc: arch doesnt even have a foundation
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: the why behind systemd
08:23 PM louipc: its a rag-tag group of linux geeks
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: arch just has control freaks
08:23 PM louipc: perhaps
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: plenty of personality disorders to go around
08:23 PM louipc: sounds like a conspiracy or something
08:24 PM CaptHindsight: so why leave broken app launchers in the menu?
08:24 PM CaptHindsight: lazy?
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: too important for such menial work?
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: forgetful? or just don't care?
08:25 PM louipc: who what
08:25 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ backlog
08:26 PM JavaBean: backlogs are scary when what is on the screen sounds crazy
08:26 PM louipc: ask the package maintainer
08:26 PM louipc: a lot of them dont use or test their builds
08:27 PM louipc: some have over 500 pkgs hehh
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: JavaBean: coming from a true troll?
08:40 PM JavaBean: i am not a troll. i am under the bridge to hide from Apollo. this isn't a club, its a squeeky toy with which i can play with the local strays who just want to play
08:41 PM CaptHindsight: like a turd left by a toddler with the seat left down who forgets to flush
08:42 PM louipc: i thought those toddler toilets dont flush
08:43 PM JavaBean: shhh, you might brake the good captians mind
08:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m57aWHn3fQk
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: javaturds
08:53 PM JavaBean: yeah, you don't want me to borrow your toilet... but if i did you wouldn't have any bugs in the house for awhile...
08:57 PM CaptHindsight: poopoo doodoo
09:20 PM snakedGT is now known as snaked
09:24 PM snaked: Hey, CaptHindsight, I went out to the garage and followed the advice in the thread. The screen still blacks out, but the computer doesn't lock to the login screen. That's good enough for me.
09:24 PM snaked: Thanks for your help. I appreciate it.
09:30 PM CaptHindsight: snaked: I haven't installed the new 2.8 ISO yet on x86 yet
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: I've been battling with the ARM version on the Rpi4
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: snaked: check back in a few days, this issue was also on the Wheezy install
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: I don't recall having to kill the kernel module, but we'll see
09:35 PM snaked: Good that someone's fighting that fight. A pi based configuration with one of jt's boards is probably in my future.
09:35 PM Tom_L: should do ok as long as you don't do much else with it
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: snaked: https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: ~/.xsessionrc it should go in this file
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: xset s noblank
09:41 PM snaked: Thanks, I'll dive back in there in a little bit.
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: xset s 0
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: xset s noblank
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: xset -dpms
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: sorry for the double xset s noblank
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: snaked try that
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: or wait a few days and check back
09:44 PM snaked: I'll give it a try a little later. Worst case is, I err on the side of laziness.
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: I can only get 4K working with the 2.8 image for the Rpi4 if I kill KMS
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: not a big deal, but wanted to try the latency test with the GPU hardware rendering at 4K 60fps
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: at this point I'd rather just add preempt_rt and LCNC to the gentoo 64b rpi4 image
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/sakaki-/gentoo-on-rpi-64bit
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: since she has all this worked out vs the Raspian devs
10:03 PM veegee: Anyone here know what the frsky taranis is?
10:03 PM veegee: If so, what would be the pistol grip RC car version of that?
10:03 PM veegee: I'm adding remote control to my forklift. I have the hydraulics working with the frsky taranis, but you only have so many controls available
10:04 PM veegee: Need to add a second transmitter for the actual traction stuff now and a pistol grip transmitter seems appropriate for that
10:04 PM veegee: I love how easy it is to actuate the steering with the power steering mechanism alone haha
10:05 PM veegee: Clutch actuation is automatic based on throttle. I love open source programmable radios, there's so much you can do with them