#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 14 2020
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:49 AM Deejay: moin
01:23 AM CaptHindsight: a sea of possibilities
01:24 AM CaptHindsight: gloops: and some people just plain lie
01:25 AM gloops: hes got a vid of him pushing on the axis and the servoes are just giving with light pressure
01:25 AM gloops: i guess hes got some learning to do
01:29 AM CaptHindsight: 200w servo when 2KW is required, dunno
01:30 AM CaptHindsight: and if screws are involved it's nearly impossible to do that
01:33 AM gloops: its a chain drive, ill give him a link to come here, they never do though
01:34 AM gloops: just wondered if there was some obvious common thing - i dont use or know about servos
01:46 AM CaptHindsight: undersized or not tuned
01:47 AM CaptHindsight: i have a hard time fighting 400W servos unless they have a large pulley on them
04:14 AM Loetmichel: maaan... chinese DP cables... searching for the D+ for 10 minutes now... they did 4 pairs with D+=coloured and D-=white... and one pair reversed. :-(
04:58 AM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
05:03 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:03 AM XXCoder: yo
05:54 AM * JT-Cave reexamines Tk
06:08 AM Tom_L: morning
06:08 AM XXCoder: yo
06:08 AM XXCoder: jt man aqi went up to nearly 300 here
06:08 AM XXCoder: going down though
06:09 AM XXCoder: 233 now
06:13 AM JT-Cave: wow, dunno if we even have an AQI here
06:14 AM * JT-Cave goes to snatch Sweet Pea from the roost and put her in the sick bay cage
06:14 AM XXCoder: milkwaukie at 516
06:14 AM XXCoder: thats deep in hazard
06:14 AM XXCoder: more fly thing?
06:15 AM XXCoder: thats where my sis is.
06:15 AM JT-Cave: no poopy butt
06:15 AM XXCoder: oh bathe and all that?
06:15 AM JT-Cave: looks like we have an aqi of 17
06:16 AM JT-Cave: yea bath and anything that won't come off in the bath gets cut off
06:16 AM JT-Cave: gotta snatch them off the roost before the sun comes up or your in for a rodeo
06:20 AM XXCoder: good plan i guess
06:20 AM XXCoder: while asleep
06:22 AM JT-Cave: not really sleeping but can't see well in the dark so they tend to stay still
06:22 AM jymmmm: morning
06:22 AM XXCoder: when do they actually sleep? or just resting
06:23 AM JT-Cave: they do sleep at night
06:23 AM Tom_L: what's Tk?
06:23 AM JT-Cave: but like right now most of the pullets are standing up on the roost as it 10 minutes past dawn
06:24 AM JT-Cave: https://tkdocs.com/tutorial/intro.html
06:24 AM JT-Cave: seems they have done some major improvements to Tk
06:25 AM Tom_L: lcnc use it?
06:25 AM JT-Cave: yea, it's the first GUI EMC used
06:26 AM JT-Cave: Axis uses it
06:26 AM Tom_L: huh
06:28 AM jymmmm: What's an alternative to tk?
06:28 AM JT-Cave: most any are
06:29 AM XXCoder: how about that pf something
06:29 AM XXCoder: ptvcyp something
06:29 AM JT-Cave: qtpyvcp uses PyQt5
06:30 AM JT-Cave: https://gnipsel.com/images/chickens/cinnamon-queens/9-14-20-01.jpg
06:30 AM JT-Cave: that's this morning about 15 minutes after dawn
06:31 AM XXCoder: quiet
06:31 AM XXCoder: so poop deck helps easy clean
06:32 AM JT-Cave: yea it's covered with Sweet PDZ so sorta like cat litter for chickens
06:32 AM JT-Cave: Tom_L, all the simple g code generators I wrote were with the old Tk
06:32 AM XXCoder: oh it looked like just solid surface in picture
06:33 AM Tom_L: surprised you haven't updated them with qtpyvcp
06:35 AM XXCoder: oh yeah whats news on transition to v3?
06:35 AM XXCoder: since python v2 is pretty much discountined
06:36 AM JT-Cave: qtpyvcp is a GUI
06:37 AM JT-Cave: qtpyvcp uses PyQt5
06:38 AM XXCoder: oh not talking about gui side, im talking about rest of lcnc
06:38 AM JT-Cave: I was answering Tom_L
06:39 AM JT-Cave: there have been multiple attempts at updating to python3, the biggest problem is the lack of developers
06:39 AM XXCoder: oh oops
06:39 AM XXCoder: yeah seems to be long term issue.
06:40 AM XXCoder: not sure how can fix that
06:40 AM JT-Cave: I'm just amazed that Andy was able to put out the 2.8 release
06:40 AM Tom_L: yeah with such a bucket list
06:46 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: OH, do 20" filters fit a 20" fan?
06:46 AM XXCoder: somewhat
06:47 AM XXCoder: theres some gaps and such
06:47 AM XXCoder: solution: more tape
06:47 AM XXCoder: if you buy expensive 4" filter, you can just directly connect fan to it, but you need to seal gaps
06:47 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: heh, I was jsut curious if a 20" fan really is a 20"
06:47 AM XXCoder: its bit bigger than filters yeah
06:48 AM jymmmm: gotcha, was just wondering :)
06:49 AM XXCoder: seems its doing good job so far. my friend who live at same city is suffering
06:50 AM jymmmm: that's awesome, you did a nice job
06:50 AM XXCoder: thanks
06:50 AM XXCoder: i guess in 3 days i will cut tape off and put filters in garage for next year
06:50 AM jymmmm: whats in 3 days?
06:51 AM XXCoder: smoke should be below 100
06:51 AM jymmmm: ah
06:53 AM XXCoder: nice thing is that its already correctly formed. which means all I need is some more tape to secure it next time
06:57 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: I was thinking could goto dollar store and get contact paper so it doesn't rip the cardboard, easy to wipe off, and won't collect moisture.
06:58 AM XXCoder: contact paper as filter or what
06:58 AM jymmmm: No, just to "coat" the cardboard
06:58 AM XXCoder: ahh hmm
06:59 AM XXCoder: i suppose can but meh
06:59 AM jymmmm: yeah
07:00 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: If you are going to put it away for next year, maybe vac the filters and tss them in the sun for a few hours to kill off anything in the filters
07:00 AM jymmmm: toss*
07:00 AM XXCoder: sigh something to think about. bah thanks lol
07:01 AM jymmmm: Sowwwy, will also kill off a lot of the smoke smell too, then store in a plassstic bag
07:13 AM jymmmm: Ring and fork crimp terminals have about the same amperage ratings (10ga = 50A), but blade about half... http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/612666.pdf
07:15 AM jymmmm: Oh interesting, butt connectors are half too (10ga = 24A)
08:18 AM beachbumpete1: Morning
08:23 AM JT-Cave: well that was just loads of fun
08:32 AM JavaBean: jt, what is the point if you can't have fun?
08:36 AM JT-Shop: I think the hen had less fun than me getting her butt washed
08:54 AM jymmmm: They have auto cow milking machines, auto car washing machines, I think I'm seeing an auto chicken butt washing machine in JT's future.
08:55 AM jymmmm: ...with fluff n dry!!!
08:55 AM JavaBean: beware, they have made a cat washing machine... cat was not happy
08:55 AM jymmmm: JavaBean: Birds like water periodically
08:56 AM jymmmm: and like the hair dryer even more, especially when they are molting.
08:56 AM JavaBean: that cat washing machine was demo'd on GMA. without a "viewer discretion is advised" notice
08:57 AM jymmmm: JavaBean: how many boxes of bandaids were used is my question
08:58 AM JavaBean: idk, but a case of them sounds plausible
08:58 AM jymmmm: YAY finally filed my taxes!!!
08:58 AM JavaBean: speaking of... time for work
08:59 AM jymmmm: JavaBean: good luck with that
09:27 AM JT-Shop: this hen is a bit skittish so didn't even go with the hair dryer, I had to wrap her in a towel just to cut the poop ball off
09:29 AM jymmmm: Used to have to to that abut every 3 days with one tiel we had, poor old dude couldn't even poop it was so bad, but he'd trip constantly, fall on his back, and couldn't turn over on his own (in general, not because of the poop buildup)
09:33 AM jymmmm: JT Roebic K-57 ---- 1 to 2 ounces added to a 32 ounce spray bottle loosens up and removes bird poop off walls and cages very well and is safe for birds.
09:33 AM jymmmm: JT home depot, "emergency septic cleaner"
09:34 AM jymmmm: JT I do wet down things with the hose, before spraying this on
09:36 AM jymmmm: JT breaks down the calcium deposits in bird poop so just can rinse off
09:37 AM jymmmm: JT https://www.homedepot.com/p/ROEBIC-64-oz-Roebic-Septic-System-Cleaner-K-57-H-3/203182386
09:40 AM jymmmm: Not for their butts, just to clean the stuff that gets poop on it.
09:49 AM JT-Shop: jymmmm, I don't have any issue with poop build up on anything but their butts, I use Sweet PDZ under the perch
09:50 AM jymmmm: JT Cool, we just get it on their cages, ladders, toys, etc
09:51 AM JT-Shop: different situation with chickens, they are outside all day and only sleep in the coop
09:58 AM jymmmm: no worries =)
10:34 AM roycroft: unbelievable
10:35 AM roycroft: there are people who are refusing to evacuate their homes, even as the wildfire rages right near their homes, because they claim that antifa started the fires
10:35 AM roycroft: first of all, antifa did NOT start any fires
10:35 AM roycroft: second, even if they did, why do you refuse to leave because you don't like the people who started the fire?
10:36 AM * roycroft is incapable of wrapping his head around that
10:36 AM CaptHindsight: well trained consumers and followers
10:37 AM roycroft: meanwhile, local health officials have recommende that people not go outside at all if they can help it, and to not drive at all
10:37 AM roycroft: and now it looks like the smoke might not go away here until friday or saturday
10:40 AM JT-Shop: sounds like a Darwin moment for them...
10:42 AM roycroft: i hope we can find a way to come together as a nation again
10:42 AM roycroft: i don't know how that can happen
10:42 AM roycroft: but it needs to happen
10:42 AM roycroft: we at least need to learn how to tolerate each other again
11:03 AM roycroft: anyway, i have my dovetails cut and the sockets on the front side of the end cap almost chopped out
11:03 AM roycroft: i should be able to finish the front side after work today
11:04 AM roycroft: and if that goes well, the back side possibly by tomorrow
11:07 AM JT-Cave: can't wait to see that
11:08 AM JT-Cave: yea there's so many groups that hate other groups... around here everyone is a redneck so all in the same group
11:08 AM roycroft: we're half redneck, half hippie here
11:09 AM roycroft: and one of the problems is that the rednecks have long hair just like the hippies
11:09 AM roycroft: so it's not always obvious which tribe someone belongs to
11:10 AM JT-Cave: so the barbers are on welfare?
11:10 AM roycroft: we do not have many barbers
11:18 AM jymmmm: Then there's the cnc beard club :D
11:49 AM JT-Cave is now known as jthornton
11:50 AM * jthornton can't join that club no hair grows on his jowls
11:59 AM * jymmmm neither
11:59 AM jymmmm: But that ohio get together a few years back sure did look like a bread club more than a cnc event
12:00 PM jymmmm: beard*
12:05 PM * roycroft has a beard but it's short and neatly trimmed
12:05 PM roycroft: shaving is just such a drag
01:20 PM roycroft: well, ups are delivering today
01:20 PM roycroft: so that's good
01:20 PM zipper is now known as Guest24335
01:36 PM roycroft: hmm, our dense fog alert and air quality alert are expiringin a half hour, and have not been extended
01:36 PM roycroft: the dense smoke alert expires at 6pm today
01:36 PM roycroft: perhaps things are starting to improve after all
01:44 PM Tom_L: never tried a beard until corona gave me 2 months off. now i got a face full
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.partycity.com/brown-lumberjack-facial-hair-set-752356.html instant hipster
01:46 PM jymmmm: I'm tryng to come up with a CHEAP semi-variable DC dummy load for up to 60A/750W, I was thinking lightbulbs, but then need sockets too, any thoughts/ideas?
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: nichrome wire
01:48 PM jymmmm: I have that, but thing gauge, also have a 220VAC heating element
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: it gets hot but you know that, wind your own potentiometer
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: hair drier
01:56 PM rs[m]2: 60A is quite a lot
02:02 PM rs[m]2: Jymmm: nichrome wire is probably your best bet. according to wikipedia, a atraight 2mm dia nichrome wire @ 60A will develop a temperature of 1000°C / 2000°F in free air.
02:04 PM jymmmm: I have a shitton of 24Ga NiChrome
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: so don't hold it in your hands when you run current through it
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: can someone please verify this please?
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: jymmmm: wrap it around a brick or similar and run a fan across it
02:26 PM jymmmm: I think I havesome soapstone I can use
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: haven't run the numbers yet but leave some twisted loops as taps on the wire as you wind, then you can vary the load by choosing different taps
02:29 PM rs[m]2: CaptHindsight: verify what? not holding 1000° hot wire in your hands?
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: yes
02:29 PM rs[m]2: i can verify that. don't do that.
02:30 PM jymmmm: rs[m]2: That's what the soapstone is for =)
02:30 PM jymmmm: 2ohms = 14.372 inches
02:33 PM rs[m]2: Jymmm: the thing that is relevant for heat dissipation is surface area of the wire
02:34 PM rs[m]2: Jymmm: you should not load it too much, unfortunately i don't have numbers handy right now
02:35 PM jymmmm: rs[m]2: This NiChrome is contonous rated at 2050F
02:35 PM alex_joni: jymmmm: is that 2ohms with or without current? I imagine as it heats up, it will change a bit
02:36 PM jymmmm: Hey alex_joni ltns, without. I just gotta get close, not accurate. I'm more concenred with expansion
02:36 PM rs[m]2: Jymmm: https://www.easycalculation.com/engineering/electrical/nichrome-wire-calculator.php
02:36 PM alex_joni: heya, that's true.. been a sec
02:41 PM rs[m]2: i think the temperature coefficient of nichrome wire is relatively low compared to e.g. copper
02:42 PM jymmmm: rs[m]2: but at close to 750W it'll expand notacble
02:44 PM alex_joni: you need a lot of wire for 750W
02:45 PM rs[m]2: thermal expansion should be in the ballpark of 1% per 1000K
02:46 PM alex_joni: 60" @ 2000F or ~700" @ 500F
02:47 PM rs[m]2: Jymmm: if you put 60A through 14 inches you would need 120V and dissipate 7kW. that will be melt the wire rather quickly.
02:49 PM rs[m]2: alex_joni: he mentioned he wants to dump currents of 60A
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: parallel resistors/windings
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: see ohms law for reference
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/resistor/res_4.html
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: jymmmm: is this for the 20=something Volt CC battery charger design?
02:56 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: yeah
02:56 PM roycroft: there are cheap current dump resistors on teh ebay
03:22 PM Deejay: gn8
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: anyone know if USPS Expedited 1 day is actually 1 day?
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: priority has been 3 day and gets there usually by day 4
03:50 PM roycroft: it used to be one day if you got the thing you're mailing to the post office by the correct time, and if the sending and destination post offices offered the service
03:51 PM roycroft: but with the attempt to kill off the post office, nothing works well there any more
03:51 PM roycroft: if you need to get something somewhere fast, i would not use the usps right now
03:52 PM andypugh: Does anyone understand Fusion360 Cloud Credits?
03:52 PM roycroft: last week i had an item that was marked "out for delivery" but it did not arrive
03:52 PM andypugh: Just running a simulation and it says it will use 5 cloud credits
03:52 PM roycroft: when i went to the post office the next day i talked to the branch manager who told me that i live on the end of the carrier's route
03:52 PM roycroft: which is correct - i usually receive my mail at about 4pm
03:53 PM roycroft: he said the carrier must have been really busy that day, and that since there is no more overtime, the carrier just returned to the post office when her shift was over, not having completed the route
03:53 PM roycroft: since i got no mail at all that day, and a lot of mail the next day, that seems like what happened
03:53 PM Rab: andypugh, sounds like cluster compute time, but I have no idea.
03:54 PM andypugh: The wierd thing is that it thinks I have 2.7 million cloud credits...
03:54 PM roycroft: so you won't miss those five
03:55 PM andypugh: And they are meant to cos $1 each…
03:55 PM roycroft: it sounds like you're rich
03:55 PM roycroft: bitcoin-style rich
04:03 PM Rab: Maybe there are opportunities for Fusion360 Cloud Credit arbitrage.
04:05 PM roycroft: i'd auction off a million or so of the credits on ebay
04:05 PM Rab: Like in six months when Autodesk starts charging free users through the nose for them.
04:05 PM roycroft: sell them at half price
04:05 PM roycroft: and folks get a good deal and you get a nice holiday out of it
04:05 PM roycroft: a really nice holiday
04:07 PM roycroft: even at 10 pence on the pound you get a nice holiday
04:23 PM Tom_L: andypugh, https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Autodesk-Fusion-360-Changes-to-Benefits-November-2016.html
04:25 PM Tom_L: When you purchase a new subscription, you receive a one-time grant of 100 individual cloud credits that you can use for Fusion 360. These cloud credits do not expire. Other cloud credits are good for 12 months and do not roll over. You can purchase additional cloud credits as needed... Aug 13, 2019
04:25 PM andypugh: So, maybe they just give hobbyists an almost-infinite number of credits?
04:26 PM Tom_L: dunno, possibly. just don't make it rain
04:26 PM andypugh: My worry is that they have linked my personal account to my employers account and I am spending Ford credits.
04:26 PM Tom_L: i let mine lapse after installing and not using it
04:27 PM Tom_L: tell them it's for a good cause
04:35 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: https://i.imgur.com/lWubuVH.jpg
04:52 PM * JT-Shop doesn't have a cloud, nor do I want one
04:52 PM andypugh: Nor do I really. But I thought it would be fun to do an FE analysis of the bike lift I am planning.
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: jymmmm: boiling water?
04:59 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: ghetto dummy load
05:11 PM zipper is now known as Guest43146
05:11 PM CaptHindsight: jymmmm: yes, how warm does the water get?
05:12 PM JT-Shop: bike lift for the motorcycle?
05:12 PM JT-Shop: now that I can get the profile logged I need to sort out how to actually cut the hole for the tubby
05:13 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: I only left it on like 20 seconds at a time
05:13 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: But I'll measure the surface temp next time.
05:17 PM ziper: will brass or bronze be easier to work with with hand tools?
05:21 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/linuxcnc-13Sep2020-69801.png
05:28 PM Tom_L: brass is copper & zinc, bronze is copper & tin mostly
05:28 PM Tom_L: ziper
05:28 PM ziper: yeah
05:29 PM ziper: but I don't think i've actually worked with either
05:29 PM ziper: besides maybe drilling
05:29 PM Tom_L: i'd say they're roughly about the same
05:29 PM Tom_L: brass might be slightly easier
05:29 PM Tom_L: they both have the 'grab' property of copper
05:29 PM Tom_L: so don't freehand it
05:30 PM ziper: I was planning on using saws and files
05:30 PM ziper: I need something reasonably corrosion resistant but don't want to deal with stainless
05:30 PM Tom_L: should be ok then
05:30 PM ziper: and plastic might be a bit too ah plastic
05:31 PM jymmmm: ziper: for?
05:31 PM Tom_L: depending on what you're using it on, chemicals for example may dissolve it
05:31 PM ziper: its for the control system for a hydrofoil boat
05:31 PM Tom_L: probably ok there
05:32 PM jymmmm: ziper: use an outdoor rated plastic electrical box
05:32 PM ziper: how will an electrical box help me?
05:33 PM Tom_L: they come in handy from time to tome
05:33 PM Tom_L: time
05:33 PM jymmmm: ziper: how big do you need?
05:34 PM ziper: the current system controls lift through a system of pushrods. I want to replace that with a hydraulic system. I might need to fabricate the ends that attach
05:34 PM ziper: no, not very big
05:35 PM ziper: loads maybe 20 lbs
05:36 PM jymmmm: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cantex-12-in-x-12-in-x-6-in-Junction-Box-R5133713/202043349
05:36 PM * Tom_L wonders if jymmmm is on the same page
05:37 PM jymmmm: Tom_L: I thought he was wanting a control enclosure
05:38 PM Tom_L: pushrods to hydraulic cylinders is what i get
05:38 PM ziper: not the control enclosure, but the controls themselves
05:42 PM veegee: Whenever I search for a plastic strap kit, they always seem to come with these metal crimp things to seal the strap
05:43 PM veegee: but all the boxed products in the store seem to have the plastic strap fused to itself thermally (?)
05:43 PM veegee: the metal crimp things seem to always slip
05:43 PM veegee: and I can't find a thermal strap sealer. Am I searching for the wrong thing ?
05:44 PM Tom_L: tryhttps://www.uline.com/Product/AdvSearchResult?KeywordTyped=plastic%20strapping&keywords=Plastic%20Strapping%20Machine
05:44 PM veegee: the heat fused strap joint is incredibly strong
05:44 PM Tom_L: veegee, ^^
05:44 PM veegee: thanks
05:46 PM veegee: Renting a dumpster is pretty expensive. I just put our trash in regular trash bags and pack them into cardboard boxes nice and tight and then strap them and take them to the dump every other week
05:47 PM veegee: so much cheaper and makes the trash safe and easy to deal with and seals in any odour
05:47 PM veegee: easy to stack in a corner neatly as well
06:14 PM jymmmm: Tom_L: $3000 for a strap sealer?! https://www.uline.com/BL_3454/Orgapack-Sealless-Combo-Tools
06:19 PM Tom_L: jymmmm, not my pocketbook
06:20 PM jymmmm: Tom_L: Mine neither, but it actually was something I was consering in getting/using
06:21 PM jymmmm: considering*, but not any more
06:21 PM Tom_L: crank your own is about half that
06:22 PM jymmmm: tension and seal DIY? I wouldn't even know where to begin
06:23 PM Tom_L: looks that way
06:23 PM Tom_L: i'm sure it could be figured out
06:23 PM Tom_L: not as handy but is handy worth >1k?
06:24 PM jymmmm: strtech wrap is only $20
06:53 PM _unreal_: ok lets see if I still fucked up my numbers
06:53 PM _unreal_: testing milling again
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: veegee: yeah dumpsters are pricey, my neighbor moved out months ago and left his, it still gets picked up weekly
07:28 PM CaptHindsight: i think he paid them for a few months in advance just to stick it to the building owner
07:29 PM CaptHindsight: anti-dumpster or expects you to keep it inside
07:29 PM veegee: LOL!
07:29 PM veegee: I love it
07:29 PM veegee: Well it's about $70/month so it's not _that_ bad
07:30 PM veegee: I guess I could suck it up and deal with it
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: we fill up about a grocery bag of garbage a day
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: or a lawn bag a week
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: easy enough to distribute in various garbage acceptance locations
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: jymmmm: shrink wrap works and is low cost
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.uline.com/BL_3560/High-Tensile-Steel-Strapping-Special
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: I only use the metal straps for things on pallets as an extra safety measure
07:37 PM veegee: I have plastic wrap, not really a fan
07:37 PM veegee: I like plastic strap better
07:37 PM veegee: Anyway, is this worth it? https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/2-ton-60-in-farm-jack/A-p8760662e
07:38 PM veegee: Just because it has a "toe" to get under machines where a bottle jack won't fit
07:39 PM Tom_L: they work but i've bent them
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: old cars used to come with them
07:55 PM roycroft: i see a semblence of the glowing orb in the sky again, through the smoke
07:55 PM roycroft: and for the first time in over a week, it appears more yellow than red
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: \o/
07:56 PM roycroft: this could be a good sign
07:57 PM roycroft: farm jacks are very useful and not very stable, so as long as you know what you're doing it's a good thing to have
07:58 PM roycroft: and ups cancelled again
07:59 PM roycroft: second day in a row my parcel has been marked out for delivery but at the end of the day cancelled
07:59 PM zipper is now known as Guest37586
08:00 PM roycroft: second business day in a row, i should say
08:01 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, the old bumper jacks weren't quite as heavy. we called ^^ those 'tractor jacks'
08:03 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: fire and pestilence
08:04 PM roycroft: our president went to california today
08:04 PM roycroft: he said that climate science isn't real and that scientists don't know what they're talking about
08:04 PM CaptHindsight: so far no signs of flying sharks
08:04 PM CaptHindsight: yet
08:04 PM roycroft: and that the reason we have fires is not because of climate change
08:04 PM roycroft: no, he went back to forest raking
08:05 PM roycroft: talking about how finland and austria don't have wildfires
08:05 PM roycroft: (austria does)
08:05 PM CaptHindsight: what sane person listens to him anymore or for that the past 4 years
08:05 PM roycroft: he's our president
08:05 PM CaptHindsight: like a sick uncle
08:05 PM roycroft: he sets and enacts policy that affects everyone in this country and most people in the world
08:05 PM roycroft: it's prudent to know what he's saying
08:05 PM roycroft: as painful as it may be to listen to it
08:06 PM CaptHindsight: listen but with a filter
08:06 PM XXCoder: went to forest raking again
08:06 PM XXCoder: man
08:06 PM roycroft: he also said we worry too much about pollution
08:06 PM roycroft: that the us is just a "speck" in the world
08:06 PM roycroft: and that other countries are far worse polluters
08:07 PM roycroft: he is kind of right there
08:07 PM roycroft: except he mixed up singular and plural
08:07 PM roycroft: we're the second-biggest carbon emitter in the world
08:07 PM roycroft: so he should have said "another country", not "other countries"
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: focus on the legislation, and anything he signs, the rest in one ear and other out the other
08:08 PM CaptHindsight: just drama
08:08 PM roycroft: but no legislation passes
08:08 PM roycroft: and he ignores it anyway
08:08 PM roycroft: he breaks the law every single day
08:09 PM roycroft: he just does shit
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: Dictator Light
08:09 PM roycroft: often contradicting shit he's already done
08:09 PM roycroft: because it's not about solving problems
08:09 PM roycroft: it's about the optics
08:09 PM XXCoder: roy you remember that video where trump debates with... trump
08:09 PM roycroft: yes
08:10 PM roycroft: the thing is
08:10 PM XXCoder: trump is on the moment guy in the worse kind
08:10 PM roycroft: our governor asked the president to declare oregon a disaser area a week ago
08:10 PM roycroft: given what we're experiencing, any other president would have acceeded the same day
08:10 PM roycroft: it took this president over five days to make the declaration
08:10 PM roycroft: five days that we'll never get back
08:10 PM roycroft: five days that could have been a big help
08:10 PM roycroft: and he's *still* not delivering
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: he was busy :)
08:11 PM Tom_L: isn't oregon mostly democrat :)
08:11 PM XXCoder: i heard 24 hours for oregon. goverator had to take it public and suddenly trump moves
08:11 PM Tom_L: i don't believe any of them... they're politicians
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: even lies when he's not talking
08:12 PM roycroft: his proof that scientists don't know what they're talking about - the weather will get cooler this fall
08:12 PM XXCoder: is trump even lying? hes so random
08:12 PM roycroft: it was over five days
08:13 PM XXCoder: might even belive what hes saying at the moment
08:13 PM roycroft: it was 24 hours after she took it public
08:13 PM roycroft: i think he believes almost everything he says as he says it
08:13 PM XXCoder: cooler at fall lol do he even live at earth?
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: his niece has a book out about him, covers his pathology
08:13 PM roycroft: yes
08:14 PM roycroft: nothing new there
08:14 PM XXCoder: i need to get and read that book
08:14 PM roycroft: but it does confirm what every truthful, sentient being on the planet already knew
08:14 PM roycroft: the attorney general of south dakota had an "incident" over the weekend
08:15 PM roycroft: he made a police report that he hit a deer with his car
08:15 PM roycroft: it turns out he killed a man
08:16 PM XXCoder: ow.
08:16 PM XXCoder: i could be wrong, but is he democrat
08:16 PM XXCoder: *republican
08:16 PM roycroft: it doesn't matter
08:16 PM XXCoder: indeed it does not
08:16 PM roycroft: he's probably a republican, because it's south dakota
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: Kristi Noem
08:17 PM XXCoder: its just that its more likely for republican to hide
08:17 PM roycroft: but his party affiliation does not matter at all
08:17 PM roycroft: a deer does not look like a man if you're sober
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: oh sorry attorney general
08:17 PM roycroft: or vise versa
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Ravnsborg
08:18 PM XXCoder: im no expert on being drunk... but doesnt drunk still reconize human as well human
08:19 PM XXCoder: nothing about if he was drunk or not?
08:19 PM * roycroft thinks he's had enough news for today
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: Cheney shot a man in face
08:19 PM XXCoder: im betting that was warning shot
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: and the man apologized for being in front of where he was aiming
08:19 PM unterhaus: hey, the guy apologized for getting hit in the face
08:20 PM roycroft: yes, he did
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: so the man likely jumped in front of the car dressed like a deer
08:20 PM unterhaus: so, bygones
08:20 PM * roycroft heads off to fix dinner
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: or at least had his fingers next to his face pretending to be antlers
08:20 PM unterhaus: now you made me remember the crazy taxidermy ads
08:20 PM roycroft: my end cap started splitting just as i was finishing up the dovetail sockets
08:20 PM roycroft: so i had to stop
08:20 PM roycroft: and glue it up
08:21 PM roycroft: hopefully i only have a few minutes of work to do on that end of it tomorrow to fit the first dovetail
08:21 PM unterhaus: I took a part time job as a bike mechanic to keep me away from the internet
08:21 PM roycroft: but if i kept going today without gluing it up it would split even worse
08:22 PM jymmmm: unterhaus: did you quit or get fired, cause here you are
08:22 PM roycroft: look! is it a stockbroker?
08:22 PM Tom_L: jymmmm, he fixe dem all
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: what is a good movie to watch? Anything new good?
08:22 PM unterhaus: can only work on bikes for so many hours
08:22 PM roycroft: is it a quantity surveyor?
08:22 PM roycroft: is it a church warden?
08:22 PM roycroft: NO! it's bicycle repairman!
08:22 PM jymmmm: Tom_L: ah, he should have broken them then fixed them some more
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: a python favorite
08:22 PM roycroft: oh, bicycle repairman, thank goodness you've come! look!
08:23 PM unterhaus: I'm not really repairing, just fixing up new ones to sell
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s0LTDhqe5A My Octopus Teacher
08:23 PM roycroft: see how he uses that spanner to tighten that nut!
08:24 PM unterhaus: that bike repairman sketch must have come out after I stopped working as a mechanic
08:26 PM unterhaus: only bad part is that my watch doesn't give me very many steps for standing up all day
08:26 PM CaptHindsight: 9171
08:26 PM CaptHindsight: 1971 even
08:26 PM unterhaus: now I have to go walk around the block
08:27 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2pk2t9
08:27 PM _unreal_: figures still screwed up my numbers a little but not to bad
08:27 PM unterhaus: okay, so it was before I worked as a mechanic
08:27 PM _unreal_: I'll prob have to just make a reciver pocket so I can adjust the height on one part
08:27 PM _unreal_: My daughters machine is getting closer though at least
08:28 PM _unreal_: I have 2 more parts to build but I also need to build the pen holder
08:29 PM _unreal_: I have not done anything with that yet
08:29 PM _unreal_: cad wise
08:32 PM CaptHindsight: John Cleese's commie meltdown at the end of that sketch is also fun
08:34 PM CaptHindsight: Cleese left the UK a couple of years ago because it got too dumb
08:34 PM CaptHindsight: he was offered a seat in parliament and declined
08:35 PM XXCoder: i misread it as john's cheese meltdown
08:36 PM CaptHindsight: john's cheese meltdown sandwich
08:42 PM jymmmm: grilled cheese sounds good
08:46 PM XXCoder: yeah
08:47 PM XXCoder: might make em for my dinner
08:47 PM Tom_L: cool days here brought out the chili
09:01 PM roycroft: he left the uk a long long time ago
09:01 PM roycroft: i believe what he did recently was get us citizenship
09:02 PM roycroft: and i believe he was offered a peerage in the house of lords, not a seat in the commons
09:02 PM roycroft: (one cannot be "offered" a seat in the commons - one has to be elected)
09:10 PM roycroft: the aqi is under 200!
09:11 PM roycroft: but more importantly, the aqi in florence, on the coast, where the wind is coming from, has dropped from an average of ~200 over the past few days to 23
09:13 PM zipper is now known as Guest69109
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: yes it was lords
09:26 PM roycroft: cleese is pro-brexit, so his party affiliation would definitely be silly, not slightly silly
09:32 PM Rab: Did You Know? John Cleese's family surname was originally Cheese, changed by his father.
09:34 PM XXCoder: roycroft: nice! here should be at 200 now
09:35 PM XXCoder: tomorrow should be at 175
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: he said that he could have been Lord Cheese
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: almost reason to stay
09:43 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: I could inspire to become Lord creamy gooey cheesey goodness
09:43 PM jymmmm: s/goodness/awesomeness/
09:43 PM Tom_L: cheese whiz
09:44 PM jymmmm: no no, way too salty
09:44 PM jymmmm: and not even real cheese
09:44 PM jymmmm: Tom_L: or were you saying you wanted to become the Cheese Whiz?