#linuxcnc Logs

Sep 05 2020

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:47 AM Deejay: moin
06:28 AM Tom_L: morning
06:39 AM tiwake: Tom_L: whuts up?
06:42 AM Tom_L: not much
06:53 AM _unreal_: t4nk_freenode, you make anything new
06:54 AM _unreal_: hey guys I've been working with my daughter getting her little mini cnc machine put together.
06:54 AM _unreal_: I've been having her HAND write in a notebook all the wires and what everthing goes to etc....
06:54 AM _unreal_: and having her help d stuff...
06:54 AM gloops: should be an old hand at it by now _unreal_
06:54 AM _unreal_: natrually I did the soldering
06:55 AM _unreal_: she's getting excited at this point
06:55 AM _unreal_: we got the DB25 CONNECTORS done THR. night.
06:56 AM _unreal_: just have a few more connectors to do inside the control box and setting the current etc...
06:56 AM _unreal_: sigh..
06:56 AM _unreal_: figures she's at her mothers this weekend
06:56 AM _unreal_: I'm dieing to just finish it for her
06:56 AM gloops: im finishing off dry lining an enclosure round my router, with a slipped disc lol
06:56 AM _unreal_: got a back brace on?
06:56 AM gloops: awesome project for a youngster _unreal_
06:56 AM _unreal_: yep
06:57 AM _unreal_: ya I'll have to post a photo of the progress today
06:57 AM _unreal_: naturally she has been drawing flowers etc.. on it LOL
06:57 AM gloops: nah, just taking it very steady, its getting back to something where i can do a bit
06:58 AM _unreal_: what area of the back?
06:58 AM _unreal_: high low?
06:58 AM gloops: lower
06:58 AM _unreal_: I'm assuming low
06:58 AM _unreal_: I'd go to wwalmart and get one of the lower back supports
06:59 AM gloops: i had one before about 6-7 years ago higher up, that had made like total recovery, this lower one has been a bit more difficult, went about march, then twice again
06:59 AM _unreal_: $14
06:59 AM _unreal_: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Phoebecat-Posture-Corrector-Women-Men-Adjustable-Shoulder-Back-Brace-Slouching-Hunching-Black-Invisible-Support-Pain-Relief-S-XXXXL/283374453
06:59 AM gloops: i might get one actually
06:59 AM _unreal_: its FOOLISH to not to
07:00 AM _unreal_: I was a nurse and a med tech for years
07:00 AM _unreal_: the idea behind the support is it TAKES the load
07:00 AM _unreal_: and lets the affected area heal
07:00 AM _unreal_: the idea is the tweak is less often
07:01 AM _unreal_: with the wrong unknowning move
07:01 AM gloops: they do look ok, i used to wear a big belt when i had the old injury which helped a lot, with this one a belt seems to inflame it - seems to be compressing it
07:02 AM gloops: its not too bad now, i can walk 4-5 miles no problem, dull ache, just very dubious of any bending or lifting
07:02 AM _unreal_: that was just an example link, I dont know the lcation or any info other then "I HAVE AN OUCH" :)
07:02 AM _unreal_: sounds like strained/torn tendons as well
07:03 AM _unreal_: as well as an out of place disk. have you looked at going to a chiropractor?
07:04 AM gloops: difficult to arrange here atm, hospital wont take me, local doc very reluctant - cant get an answer on the phone most times
07:04 AM gloops: basically if youre not dying you have to take paracetamol lol
07:05 AM gloops: ill give it another month it might be fairly normal by then
07:06 AM _unreal_: oh ya. BS covid
07:07 AM _unreal_: did you hear the latest news about it?
07:07 AM gloops: nah i dont bother with it much now, whats the latest?
07:07 AM _unreal_: the CDC updated there information reluctantly, and the current REAL death count of covid is less then 10k
07:07 AM _unreal_: https://nbc25news.com/news/local/cdc-94-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions
07:08 AM _unreal_: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
07:08 AM gloops: lol, yeah it seems a lot of natural deaths related to age have been put down as covid
07:08 AM _unreal_: its over, the covid AS I KNEW IT WAS was a fake
07:08 AM _unreal_: $$$$
07:08 AM _unreal_: get ready for a LOT of law suits
07:09 AM gloops: probably more people died from the lockdown
07:09 AM gloops: sat at home going crazy
07:09 AM _unreal_: VERYYYYYYYYYYY much so
07:09 AM _unreal_: well limiting ablity to get screened for cancers
07:09 AM gloops: and all that yeah
07:09 AM _unreal_: stroke ETC....
07:10 AM _unreal_: I had to go to key largo yesterday for work
07:11 AM _unreal_: all I saw was for sale signs, distancing and mask signs EVERY WWHERE I mean EVERYWHERE. they spent a fortune. and trump pence signs
07:11 AM JT-Cave: morning
07:11 AM _unreal_: SUP
07:11 AM gloops: well when my back went i phoned A&E - first thing DONT COME DOWN HERE!, i had to do a load of tests and stuff over the over the phone, conclusion - spinal chord not damaged - you'll manage at home
07:12 AM gloops: told her i was in agony - take paracetamol, ibuprofen etc
07:12 AM _unreal_: WHAT!!!!
07:12 AM _unreal_: my god, thats border line malpractice
07:13 AM gloops: everyones moaning about it
07:13 AM _unreal_: spinal chord not damaged - you'll manage at home THAT is a very damning statement
07:13 AM _unreal_: I assume you didnt record the phone call
07:13 AM gloops: i didnt record it no lol
07:13 AM _unreal_: DAMN....
07:14 AM gloops: she asked if i could move my legs, i said left leg can hardly move it - she said ahh, you can move it though, thats fine
07:14 AM gloops: haha
07:14 AM _unreal_: if it turned out you have a more serius issue OR if it turned into a greater problem you got ONE hell of a lawsuit on your hands
07:14 AM _unreal_: I'm not kidding
07:15 AM gloops: well tbh if it makes a full recovery i dont care, but if this does drag on im going to consider seeing a solictor
07:16 AM _unreal_: for example every doctor that refused to administer hydrocholoriquin for those who were dealing with covid. are likely to loose there license and be sued into hell..... for malpractice... theres decades of STUIDY with it and covid strains...
07:16 AM _unreal_: god I've had to administor it when I was a med tech
07:16 AM _unreal_: its a multi use drug.
07:18 AM gloops: isnt that the stuff trump reccomended?
07:18 AM _unreal_: YES
07:18 AM gloops: a lot of this seems to have been political
07:18 AM _unreal_: that drug has won FDA for 40 years
07:18 AM _unreal_: YAAAA THINK
07:20 AM _unreal_: the democrat party is DEAD. they killed them selfs. the next ehhhhhh 3 election cycles are going to be VERY red.... IMO after that is will taper back...
07:20 AM _unreal_: get ready the malpractce law suits are going to be massive.... look for one that has to do with being denied medical services
07:21 AM _unreal_: that will happen with in the next 12 months
07:21 AM gloops: wouldnt be surprised, im in the UK so we have the NHS, a lot of people complaining about it atm though
07:21 AM gloops: lot of cases with cancer and so on died waiting
07:22 AM gloops: organ transplants another
07:22 AM _unreal_: uk THATS RIGHT... well this is only going to fuel things like brexit
07:23 AM _unreal_: I thought it was funny. peole in this chat claiming I was a fool. over. I'm like
07:23 AM gloops: anyway im gonna wander off for a bit, bbl
07:23 AM _unreal_: my god I AM THAT GUY... I worked for one of the world leaders in bio med research. for shy of a decade
07:23 AM _unreal_: woddle
07:23 AM _unreal_: lol
07:23 AM _unreal_: take care
07:24 AM _unreal_: oh an other thing
07:24 AM _unreal_: HEAT PACKS are the best if you have swelling
07:24 AM _unreal_: if your skin is turning lobster red, its to much heat and for too long
07:24 AM _unreal_: but heat will relieve swelling. COLD retards swelling
07:25 AM _unreal_: dam
07:29 AM _unreal_: current status https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bz00KY_vyf7bpVmGr2IJOoPShfQ7zs9V/view?usp=sharing
07:30 AM _unreal_: my daughters little cnc machine
07:31 AM _unreal_: no one is up I guess
07:31 AM _unreal_: JT-Cave, you up?
08:05 AM SpeedEvil: I am drilling holes in wood.
08:05 AM SpeedEvil: neat
08:05 AM _unreal_: how do.... you do it....
08:05 AM SpeedEvil: I like the e-stop.
08:06 AM _unreal_: omg.... NOT what I was hopping/expecting. just got this computer to boot
08:06 AM _unreal_: pulled a PC from the dumpster at work
08:06 AM _unreal_: turns out its an intel atom 330 dual core 1.6ghz with onboard nvidia ION
08:06 AM SpeedEvil: Drill one 10mm hole 80mm deep into the end of a 38*63mm timber, cross-drilled a 30mm hole 80mm from the end, inserted 30mm washer and nut and threaded rod
08:06 AM _unreal_: :P
08:06 AM SpeedEvil: _unreal_: wow.
08:07 AM _unreal_: has a 60gb SSD
08:07 AM _unreal_: the computer is from 2k8
08:07 AM _unreal_: not sure what mother board but its tiny
08:07 AM SpeedEvil: And it wasn't fast then.
08:07 AM _unreal_: turns out it wouldnt boot because the BIOS cmos jumper WAS in the clear position
08:07 AM SpeedEvil: Atom 330 was the smallest lowest power core at around that time I'd guess
08:07 AM _unreal_: at least its dual core
08:07 AM SpeedEvil: There is that.
08:07 AM _unreal_: the PSU is not normal though
08:08 AM _unreal_: the PSU is a DCDC
08:08 AM _unreal_: it looks like a normal micro PSU but it has two terminals on it. I took a guess and wired up a 12v psu. and it powered up
08:08 AM _unreal_: so it must be a 12v or a 12-24v dont know there are no markings on the damn PSU
08:08 AM _unreal_: :(
08:09 AM _unreal_: I cant for the life of me find the model of the motherboard
08:09 AM SpeedEvil: display on boot?
08:10 AM _unreal_: got to reboot it see if i can see the bios
08:11 AM _unreal_: !! might make a nice little legacy gaming system LOL
08:13 AM _unreal_: cool got into the bios
08:19 AM _unreal_: AHHHHHHH... ok
08:20 AM _unreal_: it has software called GLAZE which is control software for the luxury yacht network system. I'm looking at motor control info
08:20 AM _unreal_: fuel, levels water, black water gray water.. engine temps
08:20 AM _unreal_: everything is giving errors naterually because its not connected to the boats network
10:40 AM flyback: seem those unreal before
10:40 AM flyback: those dc to dc atx/at
10:58 AM _unreal_: ya little micro ATX psu
11:01 AM Tom_L: like the pico psu or different?
11:01 AM Tom_L: fits in the mb power plug
11:01 AM _unreal_: its like a standard micro mini itx PSU but it has 2 terminals a +/- v input
11:01 AM _unreal_: for DC
11:02 AM _unreal_: OMG... alllll i want to do is get out of this god damn house
11:02 AM _unreal_: blows my mind my POS father has bank ruped me
11:02 AM Tom_L: https://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13
11:02 AM Tom_L: i've got some of those
11:02 AM _unreal_: bankrupted me
11:03 AM _unreal_: thats a molex
11:03 AM _unreal_: the case has what looks like a standard micro psu
11:03 AM _unreal_: just its INPUT is DC voltage
11:04 AM _unreal_: rather then AC input like a standard ATX psu
11:04 AM Tom_L: those are 12v in
11:04 AM _unreal_: ya
11:05 AM _unreal_: hehe
11:05 AM _unreal_: dual core atom cpu 1.6ghz isnt muich
11:06 AM Tom_L: i've got several old pc104 that were vehicle tracking systems
11:11 AM _unreal_: tracking?
11:12 AM _unreal_: as in preformance? or GPS
11:12 AM _unreal_: and what kind of 104's?
11:12 AM _unreal_: I always wanted a pc104 board never had the money when I was interested
11:13 AM Tom_L: i dunno, they're pretty old and i got em free
11:13 AM _unreal_: !! free damn you
11:13 AM _unreal_: hehe
11:13 AM _unreal_: likely 486?
11:14 AM _unreal_: well if you dont use em I might be interested in one depending on the specs
11:15 AM Tom_L: i had pics on the server but i can't find em
11:16 AM _unreal_: hehe my first cnc machine back in like 2002 was driven by a 486 laptop
11:16 AM _unreal_: worked WONDERS
11:16 AM _unreal_: used turbocnc
11:17 AM _unreal_: heh back when motor controllers were STUPID expensive
11:17 AM _unreal_: and DIY one's worked great and ran at 200f
11:18 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/SBC/sbc2.jpg
11:18 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/SBC/sbc_main1.jpg
11:19 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/SBC/server/DSC_0008.JPG
11:20 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/SBC/PDF/
11:25 AM _unreal_: nifty
11:25 AM _unreal_: wonder how it handles QUAKE
11:27 AM _unreal_: Integrated
11:27 AM _unreal_: Savage4 gpu heh
11:30 AM _unreal_: I assume they are all the same model
11:30 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:30 AM Tom_L: i've got 5-6 of em
11:31 AM _unreal_: heh
11:31 AM Tom_L: i may have ditched some parts of em
11:31 AM _unreal_: omg.... GET ME OUT OF HERE..... all I want to do is move out of this house
11:31 AM _unreal_: my father has litteraly trapped me in this house for the past 3 years
11:32 AM _unreal_: I recently found he he WAS going out of his way trying to keep me from leaving
11:33 AM _unreal_: he wants me to "help" meaning DO. fix up and rebuild his house to put it up for sale.
11:33 AM _unreal_: he kept me away from my daughter for 3 months with this BS fake covid
11:34 AM _unreal_: and I just dropped my daughter off to her mother last night becuse hse is suposed ot take her on the weekends. and I just got a LECTURE that he's pissed off becuase she's likely to bring back covid...
11:34 AM _unreal_: man is dilutional. and YET he will go to good will endlessly and other locations.... ITS NOT a problem. and yet he's taking kemo.. for cancer
11:34 AM _unreal_: the second I get a win in the stock market I'm @#$@# out of this house.
11:35 AM _unreal_: blows my mind I HAD a huge win in the market and the managers screwed me up with in tent. messing up my breaks. made it so I couldnt sell
11:35 AM _unreal_: almost made 70k
11:37 AM _unreal_: ditched... hehe PC104 murder
11:38 AM _unreal_: back in my early 20's I wanted a pc104 sooo bad for lan gaming
11:38 AM Tom_L: these are too slow for that
11:38 AM _unreal_: but there was little that was powerful enough or cheap enough at the time...
11:38 AM _unreal_: we are talking 1998 time frame
11:39 AM _unreal_: Tom_L, current progress with my daughter https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bz00KY_vyf7bpVmGr2IJOoPShfQ7zs9V/view?usp=sharing
11:40 AM Tom_L: saw that
11:40 AM _unreal_: notice the drawings and stickers
11:40 AM Tom_L: taking shape
11:41 AM _unreal_: kind of wish I had a 3d printer. I could make a nice enclosure for the wiring on the side below the estop
11:42 AM Tom_L: i'm waiting on a new spindle motor now
11:53 AM _unreal_: well that answers that question
11:54 AM _unreal_: just did a TEST and my estop/lighting thing does not work
11:54 AM _unreal_: back to the drawing board
11:54 AM _unreal_: wish I knew what happend to my micro relay
11:56 AM _unreal_: at this point I think I need to retool the PCB
11:56 AM _unreal_: add a relay
11:57 AM _unreal_: and totally isolate the lights
12:22 PM _unreal_: ve7it, hello
12:40 PM ve7it: _unreal_, how goes the battles?
12:41 PM _unreal_: loosing
12:41 PM _unreal_: been working on my daughters machine with her
12:41 PM _unreal_: getting closer
02:39 PM Tom_L: quiet day
02:40 PM CaptHindsight: looks like it was a crazy morning
02:41 PM Tom_L: where do you source your timing belts & pullies?
02:41 PM Tom_L: other than sdp
02:41 PM Tom_L: or mcmaster
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: they usually have my smaller parts
02:41 PM Tom_L: seems a bit harder to find GT3. GT2 are plentiful
02:41 PM Tom_L: 3 has a bit better geometry aparently
02:42 PM Tom_L: not that it will matter that much for me
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: gates has lots of distributors
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: they are often clueless so you need to do your own research
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: but they can all order by part number
02:43 PM Tom_L: yeah
02:44 PM Tom_L: sdp has pretty close to what i'm after
02:44 PM Tom_L: their website has been flakey lately
02:44 PM Tom_L: and customer service is less than stellar
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: SDP seems to be out of stock of what I usually want
02:45 PM Tom_L: i can get within a tooth or 2 on the belt size which is close enough
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: it will be one tooth off from what I want for a pulley will be in stock
02:45 PM Tom_L: i'm getting a 1:1 set and one that steps up a bit
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: one tooth more or less never my required ratio
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: Majority Of U.S. Adults Under 30 Now Living With Parents, Study Finds
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: interesting https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5f53a98a240000ca091ecc2c.png?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: pre-war numbers (WWII)
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: I see what you mean about GT3 belts, I'm getting lots of crap links to Chinese vendors
03:02 PM unterhaus_: John D. didn't like me saying he only contributed noise to LCNC
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: honesty without tact is brutality
03:07 PM unterhaus_: he actually had an interesting response. It would be nice to have an overloaded version of Axis for dummies
03:07 PM unterhaus_: but it seems to me that's the kind of think he could do if he can really write software
03:08 PM unterhaus_: the problem is nobody could agree what should go into axis for dummies because they want their edge case to be covered
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: it's easier to just complain
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: i see it more like negative attention at this point
03:10 PM unterhaus_: is there still a problem having conversational programming?
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: squeaky wheel
03:11 PM unterhaus_: I feel that I'm correct he should go bother a gcode sender project
03:12 PM unterhaus_: because that's what he keeps describing
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: yeah write some plug-in to make it all graphical using QTPYVCP
03:12 PM Tom_L: unterhaus_, JT-Cave has a few routines for conversational programming
03:13 PM CaptHindsight: those guys have spent the last 2 years writing code to make GUI's easy
03:13 PM unterhaus_: Tom_L I feel like the patents have expired
03:13 PM CaptHindsight: so what excuse is there to not be helping them out or at least using their tools to make something?
03:14 PM unterhaus_: CaptHindsight, which guys?
03:14 PM unterhaus_: you mean qtpyvcp?
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: the QTPYVCP devs #hazzy
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: you can make your own "path pilot" now much easier
03:16 PM unterhaus_: there were a couple of projects in the gallery that look like axis
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: some people think that its more important for software to be more popular vs work well
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: Android vs just Linux
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: i hate android, what crap
03:17 PM unterhaus_: it is easy for a beginner to obsess over the full picture of lcnc instead of just making it work
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: but to those people that are interested in popularity they won't understand my comment
03:17 PM unterhaus_: I know I have fallen in that trap myself
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: "but it's popular"
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: just more well trained consumers vs thinkers
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: unless you are running canned programs the non thinkers will be stuck as soon as something changes
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: they can only press buttons vs understand how a machine does things
03:20 PM unterhaus_: I am on a facebook group that uses something like grbl (that fact is hidden by mfgr). Not sure we want to step into that quicksand
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: and I'm not talking about command line vs GUI
03:21 PM CaptHindsight: i chuckle at the makers that keep on writing new applications for every type of machine or printer that they decide to work on
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: I have been using LCNC for >15 years on just about everything
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: I'd rather be running a machine than coding
03:22 PM unterhaus_: I don't understand that impulse. I also don't understand why people insist on inventing new programming languages
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: but they tend to be software devs and not hardware devs
03:23 PM CaptHindsight: their world is coding vs the real world
03:23 PM unterhaus_: like, why is there Merlin when there was already grbl
03:23 PM CaptHindsight: they think of software vs how the world around us functions
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: they have a simplified view of physics
03:24 PM htasta: wow quite a bit of prejudice there, dontcha think?
03:24 PM unterhaus_: I had a dream that I invented a programming language
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: and then they find out out about small details and how the effects their perceptions of how things work
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: htasta: sure it's a generalization but I've been watching reprap for 10 years
03:27 PM unterhaus_: now I have to look deeper into qtpyvcp
03:29 PM htasta: do you guys happen to know if I should make multiple pull requests for different versions or just one and maintainers merge it into the other branches?
03:32 PM unterhaus_: htasta might be better to ask on linuxcnc-devel
03:32 PM JT-Cave: http://www.qtpyvcp.com/
03:33 PM JT-Cave: https://github.com/jethornton/mill_touch_v6
03:33 PM JT-Cave: unterhaus_, a few examples of qtpyvcp
03:33 PM JT-Cave: http://www.qtpyvcp.com/tutorials/basic_vcp/index.html
03:34 PM htasta: oh I didn't realize there was a development channel lol. thx unterhaus_
03:35 PM unterhaus_: JT-Cave, that looks cool. Not 3d enough for the mach users. What does "mach settings" button do?
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: you can hire a colorist and make it more 3d :)
03:36 PM unterhaus_: ya, I'll gather the funding and put out an rfp
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Cave: how long would it take you to build that from scratch again now that you have already made a GUI?
03:42 PM unterhaus_: I have to admit that reading JT's instructions on how to install make me wish for installable blobs of programs
03:42 PM unterhaus_: I want to get a touchscreen. Last time I looked on ebay they weren't too bad
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: yeah the QTPYVCP needs some help with the basic install
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: for the noob with fresh debian install there can be a few manual steps to get everything installed
03:42 PM unterhaus_: although it seems like windows programs just install python without asking
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: hehe the same co that doesn't mind if it takes you 2 days to reinstall their OS when broken
03:42 PM unterhaus_: well, they don't provide customer support, so I guess they don't have to care
03:42 PM htasta: or just change your UEFI settings to their own boot manager
03:44 PM htasta: the worst is when I have to use a company laptop that I only use like once every few months. turn it on and then just don't touch for a couple hours until it calmed down so it's usable :D
03:44 PM unterhaus_: I have both. the only people that have paid me to program wanted windows
03:44 PM Deejay: gn8
03:45 PM unterhaus_: my favorite windows update story is a guy I knew who had to write a presentation on a train and windows insisted on installing updates
03:45 PM unterhaus_: he had to sit in the baggage car because that's the only place he could get an outlet it took 3 hours to update
03:46 PM hazzy-m: there is some really promising conversational work being done right now on QtPyVCP: https://github.com/kcjengr/qtpyvcp/pull/49
03:47 PM hazzy-m: only has basic functions right now, but I was playing with them this morning and its well thought out
03:48 PM unterhaus_: that's pretty neat
03:49 PM hazzy-m: unterhaus_: windows 10 is a terrible OS for a machine control for that very reason. most of our customers @dayjob wan't win10 on their controllers, but I try o get them to get win7 embedded instead to avoid the update BS
03:50 PM unterhaus_: I used to use an accu-rite mill where you could build up a whole part with things like that.
03:50 PM unterhaus_: I would avoid windows entirely if I could
03:51 PM hazzy-m: unterhaus_: yes, the accu-rite and bridgeport easy paths had very simple, but extremely functional conversational
03:51 PM unterhaus_: I don't do any machine control with it, just data acquisition and analysis
03:51 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight, not long I assume
03:51 PM unterhaus_: accu-rite paid the patent royalties though
03:52 PM JT-Shop: best thing is you can cut and paste gui and code bits
03:52 PM unterhaus_: I feel like the patents must have expired
03:53 PM unterhaus_: hazzy-m the hole circle widget generates g-code?
03:53 PM unterhaus_: it says it does in the first line of the web page
03:53 PM hazzy-m: unterhaus_: yes, quite clean gcode as well
03:53 PM JT-Shop: unterhaus_, my mill v6 has a bunch of conversational but no fancy flashy stuff lol
03:56 PM * hazzy-m posted a file: test hole circle.ngc (0KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CnSzbyJsiZYKDBffnUnFqOWD/test hole circle.ngc >
03:56 PM unterhaus_: it's pretty cool people are doing stuff like this
03:56 PM hazzy-m: unterhaus_: that's the output gcode for a 9 hole circle
03:57 PM unterhaus_: thanks
03:58 PM hazzy-m: would be nice if it didn't output line numbers, they always cause more harm than good
03:58 PM Tom_L: shouldn't
04:07 PM Tom_L: still tux on the rpi?
04:07 PM Tom_L: wrong channel :)
04:08 PM unterhaus_: that hole widget has a lot of promise. but it would be cool to be able to build a program with many such widgets. That would require some kind of framework
04:09 PM unterhaus_: and also require no line numbers
04:40 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I get timing belts from amazon
04:41 PM Tom_L: too hard to source them all in one place
04:52 PM roycroft: so i have fitted the end cap to my bench - i have just a few things to do yet before i can start sanding and putting finish on the hidden parts of the bench top pieces, and once that's done i can install them permanently
04:53 PM roycroft: this was, if i'm honest, what i planned to complete today, and i still have a few hours of time left to work on the bench, so i'll be able to start getting ahead of schedule again
04:53 PM roycroft: which is good, because i still have two very large hounds tooth dovetails to cut, and i'm probably underestimating the time that will take
04:54 PM roycroft: and if i screw either of them up i get to take a trip to portland for more walnut for a new end cap, spend close to $100 on that, and spend the hours remaking the end cap
04:54 PM roycroft: so my plan is to not screw up
05:01 PM _unreal_: heh pouring rain outside and sunny
05:02 PM roycroft: you know
05:02 PM roycroft: the humidity has increased here
05:03 PM roycroft: it's about 80% right now - quite unusual for this time of year, especially when it's warm
05:03 PM roycroft: two days ago i put my bench top pieces on the undercarriage, and removed them
05:03 PM roycroft: they went on and off pretty easily
05:03 PM roycroft: today it took almost all my strength to whack them on
05:03 PM roycroft: the change in humidity did that in just a day
05:04 PM roycroft: it might take me a long time to remove them when i'm done with the trial fitting that i'm doing
05:04 PM roycroft: i may need to get my hydraulic ram out and make a fixture so i can push them apart with that
05:05 PM roycroft: or i can wait 'til wednesday when the humidity goes down to about 10% again
05:53 PM _unreal_: I need an opinion from you guys
05:53 PM _unreal_: I have to switch this damn thing its just not working
05:53 PM _unreal_: so on my daughters machine I need to have control over two lights both are 12v
05:54 PM _unreal_: one red one green
05:54 PM _unreal_: they are for the good to go, and ESTOP triggered
05:55 PM _unreal_: what I want to do is switch from the hardware fading to a CHIP control. the problem I have is I am getting a feed back from the light control and its feeding into the controller.
05:56 PM _unreal_: So I'm going to switch from the two transistors a cap and a few resistors to an arduino attiny.
05:56 PM _unreal_: What I'm wondering is what you guys think. should I have the green light PHASE in and out or stay solid and should I do the same with the RED? or should I have it pulse rapidly???
05:57 PM _unreal_: looking for thoughts on how to set it up
05:57 PM _unreal_: its going to be controlled by the ESTOP. if estop is reset, then the green light is on and the machine can function. IF its estop triggered then the RED light needs to be on.
06:33 PM Tom_L: a typical 'tree' will just switch colors
06:38 PM Tom_L: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000282308603.html
06:44 PM Tom_L: out of estop (red) it should go to yellow (standby) then when you hit program run it will go green
06:44 PM Tom_L: or blinking yellow as it approaches cycle stop but not there then solid yellow
06:45 PM Rab: _unreal_, where safety indication is concerned, there are human factors which lead me to think that constant illumination is best.
06:46 PM Rab: Said factors being retina blind spots and time delay in visual processing which could make the operator miss a flashing light if they're just glancing.
06:47 PM Rab: I know the operator is your daughter, and maybe fading in and out looks cool, so I suppose it's not a big deal.
06:50 PM roycroft: actually, a blinking light will be noticed by peripheral vision more easily than a constant light
06:50 PM roycroft: as far as something in the primary visual field, i'm not sure
06:53 PM Rab: roycroft, if the light is in your blind spot then it might be completely invisible. I discovered that with an office desk phone which would stop flashing depending on where I was looking, which spooked me to no end until I figured it out.
06:53 PM roycroft: i did not say blind spot
06:53 PM roycroft: i said peripheral vision
06:54 PM Rab: I believe the blind spot resides in the field constituting the peripheral vision.
06:54 PM roycroft: it's one of the rationale for using flashing indicators - studies showed that they were more visible by peripheral vision
06:54 PM roycroft: it may be part of the peripheral vision field, but it is not the entire peripheral vision field
06:55 PM roycroft: but if it is truly a "blind spot" then flashing or not, by definition one would not see it
06:56 PM roycroft: oh sweet
06:57 PM roycroft: i have a complete set of forstner bits, in increments of 1/16" to 1", and in increments of 1/8" to 3", except for 1-3/8"
06:57 PM roycroft: and right now i need a 1-3/8" forstner bit
06:58 PM roycroft: i was about to run over to springfield and get one, but realised that the store closes in 3 minutes, and won't be open again until tueseday
06:58 PM roycroft: but i remembered that i have a 35mm forstner bit for installing euro hinges, and 35mm is 1.378"
06:59 PM roycroft: and a 1-3/8" forstner bit is a few thousandts too small for what i need to do - i actually need 1.405"
06:59 PM roycroft: so 35mm will be even closer to what i need
06:59 PM roycroft: and i don't have to go to the store
06:59 PM roycroft: and i don't have to wait until tuesday
07:00 PM roycroft: back in the early '90s i was doing some work with a then major, now defunct modem manufacturer
07:00 PM roycroft: they were using at the time red indicators on their modems
07:01 PM roycroft: and were banned from selling them in the eu because red indicators are not permitted for informational messages there - only for faults/errors
07:01 PM roycroft: i remember doing some research for them and they converted to amber, which were permitted by the eu for informational indicators
07:02 PM roycroft: and i read about flashing vs. solid indicators then
07:02 PM Tom_L: i based what i said off personal experience with machines i ran and how the light tree acted
07:02 PM roycroft: that was almost 30 years ago though
07:02 PM roycroft: so the details are fuzzy now
07:02 PM Tom_L: and i'm still ok with that
07:03 PM roycroft: but i do remember that there were studies that concluded that flashing indicators are more easily seen by peripheral vision than steady indicators
07:03 PM Tom_L: i didn't need a study to know that but ok
07:04 PM Tom_L: look at 'busy' webpages
07:04 PM roycroft: i though you said that you believed steady indicators were more easily seen than flashing ones
07:04 PM roycroft: perhaps i misread what you said
07:04 PM Tom_L: i indicated their functions
07:05 PM roycroft: the frequency is definitely important
07:05 PM roycroft: if it's flashing at 1 cycle/second a lot of precious time can be lost when it's in the off cycle
07:07 PM roycroft: anyway, now that i've found that 1. the store has what i need, 2. it's closed until tuesday, and 3. i have a metric drill that will work and save the trip, i should get back to the shop and do some drilling
07:09 PM _unreal_: GOOD GOD!! just looked at the screen and forgot I had my laser safty glasses on
07:10 PM memfrob: Does anyone here have experience CNC machining something that started out as a flat .jpg image?
07:10 PM Rab: roycroft, that was my claim. Tom_L was reporting how the equipment he used acted, which, if it's good enough for industry, is probably good enough.
07:10 PM _unreal_: memfrob, most of us
07:10 PM Tom_L: memfrob, not personal but there are programs that will 3d it
07:10 PM _unreal_: what are you trying to do
07:11 PM Rab: _unreal_, do you see a lot of 1" thickness starboard? And have you ever tried to polish it?
07:11 PM _unreal_: rab when I say fade I mean not FULLY off
07:11 PM Tom_L: memfrob, been too long for me to remember what the programs were
07:11 PM memfrob: I want to turn this into a car emblem: https://imgur.com/a/nxvoaMH
07:11 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, no fading.
07:11 PM memfrob: I pulled off the vehicles badges already :)
07:12 PM Tom_L: memfrob, JT-Shop did a harley emblem once, i'd ask him
07:15 PM memfrob: Thanks!
07:15 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, it should either flash or be solid color
07:16 PM Tom_L: memfrob, i probably have a program on the pc that does it but since i never do that type of thing i'd be on a hunt for it for quite a while
07:17 PM memfrob: It's alright, don't worry about it, I don't need an answer right away anyway, my SO is an artist and she just wanted to know what she was in for.
07:17 PM Tom_L: it's very do able
07:18 PM memfrob: Well that's good to hear!
07:18 PM Tom_L: inkscape probably would but i doubt it's a favorite
07:22 PM _unreal_: I have a program
07:22 PM _unreal_: memfrob, what do you want to do with it exactly
07:22 PM _unreal_: are you planning on milling it
07:22 PM _unreal_: what is the finished part?
07:22 PM _unreal_: tell me that and I can convert it for you in 5min or less
07:23 PM memfrob: _unreal_, you really live up to your name huh? lol
07:23 PM _unreal_: more often then you would believe
07:23 PM _unreal_: so what is your finished emblem?
07:24 PM _unreal_: is this 3d printed is it milled milled in aluminum fiberglass. is it laser etched?
07:24 PM _unreal_: need data
07:24 PM Tom_L: 3d printed in titanium
07:29 PM Rab: memfrob, there are ways to turn a jpeg image into a depth map; I think LinuxCNC even has it built in. But I would personally use a vector drawing program like Inkscape or Illustrator to trace over the image and capture it as a vector drawing. Once you have the graphic in e.g. SVG, it'll be a lot easier to deal with.
07:29 PM Rab: Your SO is probably already familiar with one or both of those tools, or an equivalent.
07:31 PM _unreal_: MY GOD that was harder then it needed to be. I dont know what format that JPG is but my software just refuses to see it
07:31 PM _unreal_: had to convert it to BMP
07:31 PM _unreal_: memfrob, hello?
07:34 PM memfrob: I don't actually have all the details and I don't have the answers for the questions you're asking.
07:34 PM memfrob: I'm just starting to think this through now for the first time.
07:36 PM _unreal_: well you said its for a car
07:36 PM _unreal_: your giving more or less a HAY I want to turn this into a .............. how do I do it
07:37 PM _unreal_: car emblem:
07:37 PM _unreal_: what kind of a car emblem?
07:37 PM memfrob: It'd be milled out, 1/8th inch aluminum but I just discovered something.. The trunk on the car where the rear emblem goes had an indent, so I'm not only making a 2D object into a 3D object, I'm making it flush with the curved surface.
07:38 PM _unreal_: is it going to be something three dimensional?
07:38 PM memfrob: It's part of the vehicle's styling..
07:38 PM memfrob: Yes, three dimensional.
07:38 PM _unreal_: ok so a 3d emblem
07:38 PM _unreal_: two sided and 3d
07:40 PM memfrob: Yes.
07:41 PM _unreal_: well isnt that a stinker laser gbrl doesnt expot anything but gcode
07:41 PM _unreal_: ARG..
07:44 PM memfrob: The Ibex emblem I sent using imgur actually has the same outline as the porsche logo. So if the ibex emblem was engraved and all like this: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41p061RTxYL._AC_.jpg
07:44 PM _unreal_: ok I have it converted to dxf
07:45 PM memfrob: That would be perfect, _unreal_ could you make the ibex emblem look like that as the final product?
07:45 PM memfrob: I love the texture and all the engraving!
07:45 PM _unreal_: can you open a DXF file?
07:46 PM memfrob: Can gimp do it?
07:46 PM _unreal_: gimp I blieve can
07:47 PM _unreal_: ink scape can
07:47 PM _unreal_: memfrob, check msg
07:48 PM memfrob: I have inkscape too.
07:49 PM _unreal_: memfrob, check msg
07:49 PM _unreal_: do you know how to check MSG
07:50 PM _unreal_: hello?
07:50 PM memfrob: I'm viewing the svg right now, please hold on..
07:50 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.scorchworks.com/index.html
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.scorchworks.com/Dmap2gcode/dmap2gcode.html
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.scorchworks.com/Fengrave/fengrave.html
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.scorchworks.com/Gcoderipper/gcoderipper.html
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: ** Now with "Auto Probe" for cutting on uneven surfaces **
07:56 PM _unreal_: still holding
08:06 PM unterhaus_: it would be pretty cool to have a batch of qtpyvcp widgets on a menu in axis
08:06 PM unterhaus_: or buttons on the main screen, for that matter
08:07 PM _unreal_: and caps were inverted lol
08:10 PM _unreal_: an other customer served
08:21 PM Tom_L: fengrave was one i was thinking of
08:23 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, https://github.com/kcjengr/qtpyvcp
08:24 PM Tom_L: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/
08:24 PM hazzy-m: https://www.qtpyvcp.com/showcase/mill_vcps.html
08:25 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtjBBxlYRg
08:25 PM Tom_L: hi hazzy-m
08:25 PM hazzy-m: Tom_L: hey
08:25 PM Tom_L: i _was_ looking for that page :)
08:25 PM _unreal_: vcp VISUAL CONTROL PANEL thats what Ineeded
08:26 PM Tom_L: it's not too difficult to do
08:26 PM hazzy-m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6c_suyqJqE
08:27 PM _unreal_: the vcp part thew me for a loop
08:45 PM unterhaus_: hazzy-m I take it that tool change widget isn't in the gallery
09:20 PM hazzy-m: unterhaus_: the gallery is very out of date
09:41 PM skunkworks: what do I get myself into...
09:42 PM Tom_L: pray tell
09:42 PM skunkworks: I have a 2 stage air compressor that I got for nothing - it was 'iirc' scavened from the throw out pile. Import comressor - but looked brand new. Cobbled something together with a tank and a cool old induction repusion motor.
09:42 PM skunkworks: saved
09:43 PM skunkworks: used it to build my garage about 10 years ago - then noticed it was making a clacking noise.
09:43 PM skunkworks: so - not used until working on the work bench in the garage. Thought I would take a crack at fixing it
09:44 PM skunkworks: it had a bad pully side ball bearing. No big deal.
09:44 PM skunkworks: The clunking though was the wristpin on the high pressure piston was where the slack was.
09:45 PM skunkworks: Don't know if it was a manfacture flaw.. But it had a good .020 play.
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: lots for a wristpin so clackity clakk
09:46 PM skunkworks: so - found a bigger wrist pin from the junk bucket
09:46 PM skunkworks: bored out the piston - now working on the connecting rod
09:46 PM skunkworks: yes
09:46 PM skunkworks: lots
09:46 PM Tom_L: is the rod bushed?
09:46 PM skunkworks: nope. Boring out the rod now.
09:47 PM skunkworks: Going to have to make a bushing.
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: did the compressor always clackityclack?
09:47 PM skunkworks: I think so..
09:47 PM skunkworks: But it got worse.
09:47 PM Tom_L: it's so you know it's on
09:47 PM skunkworks: heh - we assume that is why it was thrown.
09:47 PM Tom_L: probably
09:48 PM CaptHindsight: passes inspection in China :)
09:48 PM skunkworks: but - if I don't screw it up - it will probably last as long as I need it.
09:48 PM skunkworks: it looks brand new inside.
09:48 PM Tom_L: no pressure
09:48 PM skunkworks: still has hatch marks in the bore - the low pressure piston looks lit it is brand new
09:48 PM Tom_L: no pun intended :)
09:48 PM skunkworks: heh
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: if there's enough meat on the rod then yeah
09:49 PM skunkworks: right - it is going to be close.
09:50 PM skunkworks: I guess if all else fails - I could make a connecting rod
09:50 PM Tom_L: my friend's got a 25hp compressor they said needed a valve job which was several thousand so he just cut the pressure switch back by 20-30 lbs and has been running it for years that way
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: yeah worst case as long as it doesn't let go while running before you do that
09:50 PM skunkworks: I bored out the bushing on the wristpin end of the rod (The bushing was casted in.
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: what valve job is a few $k?
09:51 PM skunkworks: I though - hey - it measures good - I might just use the aluminum as the bushing.
09:51 PM Tom_L: well that's what they told him. he didn't buy into it
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: new valves and seats won't cost that much unless custom titanium
09:52 PM skunkworks: cleaned up good. But when I went to debur it - I pealed out the outside of the bushing (metal outside)
09:52 PM skunkworks: it was like tin foil. I bored perfectly down the center
09:52 PM skunkworks: I love the k&t
09:52 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: I'd pull the valves and inspect the seats
09:52 PM CaptHindsight: he might be able to do a clean up job by hand lapping
09:52 PM Tom_L: he's been running it that way for many years, i doubt anything is wrong
09:53 PM Tom_L: at a slight reduced pressure
09:55 PM CaptHindsight: if he ever wants to go back up in pressure or if it gets worse
09:59 PM hazzy-m: Tom_L: all it needs is check valves, if it has poppet valves he could just add check valves in front of them ...
10:00 PM skunkworks: the valves need to be pretty close to the piston top..
10:01 PM skunkworks: otherwise you just can't create the pressure as your 'displacement' increases.
10:01 PM skunkworks: amount of air volume and the 1 way valfe
10:01 PM skunkworks: valve
10:01 PM hazzy-m: you'd lose some efficiency, bust as long as the tubing to the valve is not a significant percentage of the displacement should be fine
10:03 PM Tom_L: pretty sure in his case it's fine
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: triple angle valve job, higher compression pistons, better galpless rings, and a blower!
10:03 PM Tom_L: done a few of those...
10:04 PM skunkworks: uh.. I don't think we are talking about air compressors anymore.
10:04 PM CaptHindsight: :P
10:04 PM Tom_L: nope
10:04 PM CaptHindsight: oh that is to run the compressor
10:04 PM Tom_L: clay the pistons to check valve clearance
10:05 PM Tom_L: after the head was ground i've seen them get too close
10:05 PM CaptHindsight: blueprinting your 15hp air compressor
10:05 PM hazzy-m: I have a really old and neat radial piston air compressor, with little check valves between each cylinder. it has little tiny tubes, which I assume is to reduce the volume, but between the heating of the air due to compression, and the friction in the lines/valves the air exits at roasting temps!
10:05 PM skunkworks: heh - well - I did port it a little..
10:06 PM Tom_L: now the truth comes out...
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-m: how big is it?
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: what does it sound like?
10:07 PM hazzy-m: only 3hp, but it runs very smooth! 3600rpm 3ph motor directly driving the crank
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: mine is a boring ~15hp
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: I have it on moving dollies and run a power giant cord to it
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: keep it quiet and away from me
10:09 PM Tom_L: mine is still sitting on the pallet it came in
10:09 PM Tom_L: so the drain valve won't hit the floor?
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: mine is from a car dealership
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: the remodelled and the guy who pulled it out cut all the pipes and lines
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: so i had to re-plumb it but it was only $200 for all
10:10 PM skunkworks: dad has one compressor that we built - one we use as primary.
10:10 PM hazzy-m: I have a 10hp in the showroom at work, and it was way too loud. I put 24" of 1.25 radiator hose on the intakes and it made a huge difference
10:10 PM skunkworks: dad got another one - pretty much same compressor - but newer.
10:11 PM skunkworks: we still need to hook that one up.
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: I'd have to build a room and waste space
10:11 PM skunkworks: he ended up fixing the one we are using now.. It had a bad connecting rod bearing. (crank end)
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: i tried using the HF 1/3hp oiless compressors for a supplier air respirator and they can't keep up
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: loud and never stopped
10:14 PM CaptHindsight: so I highly doubt their rating
10:15 PM roycroft: i bought my stationary compressor from home depot about 20 years ago
10:15 PM roycroft: within the first year the motor failed
10:15 PM roycroft: i replaced it with a us-made leeson
10:15 PM roycroft: within another year the compressor pump failed
10:15 PM roycroft: i replaced it with a us-made pump
10:16 PM roycroft: it's been working fine ever since
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: just the tank remains
10:16 PM roycroft: yes
10:16 PM roycroft: so i basically paid $400 for a 60 gallon air tank
10:16 PM CaptHindsight: have to start somewhere
10:16 PM roycroft: no complaints
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.harborfreight.com/1-3-hp-3-gallon-100-psi-oilless-air-compressor-97080.html
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.harborfreight.com/3-gallon-13-hp-100-psi-oil-free-pancake-air-compressor-61615.html
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: good for noise making
10:18 PM CaptHindsight: they work well enough for small air brushes
10:19 PM skunkworks: my neighbor brought me over a bosh pancake compressor. Said it didn't pressurize and I could have it.
10:20 PM skunkworks: fixed the broken high pressure tube to the tank and use it as my main comressor in the garage (filling bike tires and such)
10:20 PM skunkworks: a few years later - he brought over another one. - fixed it to.
10:20 PM skunkworks: then he wanted it back.. ;)
10:21 PM Tom_L: hah
10:21 PM skunkworks: he said,.. I really don't want to have to buy anotherone..
10:22 PM skunkworks: still got a free air comressor out of the deal..
10:23 PM skunkworks: CaptHindsight: I have one of those at work for blowing out computers.. It sucks
10:23 PM roycroft: not free
10:23 PM roycroft: you had to repair both of them
10:23 PM roycroft: so you got it for the cost of a couple repairs
10:23 PM skunkworks: roycroft: I am a midwesterner.. Our time doesn't count.
10:25 PM roycroft: i'm originally from chicago
10:25 PM roycroft: my time had worth then
10:25 PM roycroft: now i'm a laid-back west coaster
10:25 PM roycroft: but my time still has value
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