#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 01 2020

01:19 AM enveezee is now known as nvz
02:57 AM Deejay: moin
03:57 AM veegee: That Allis-Chalmers forklift is a beast
03:57 AM veegee: I'm actually going to rebuild it
03:57 AM veegee: I wasn't intending to do a deep restore, but I like it
03:58 AM veegee: The engine is the only thing that needs an overhaul. Luckily, the guy gave me new replacement valves and all that so it should be fine
03:58 AM net|: https://i.imgur.com/rdggsM1.png
03:58 AM veegee: Engine works right now, just idles rough and a bit hard to start. Might just be old fuel though
03:58 AM veegee: Need to convert it to propane
03:59 AM XXCoder: sperits.
03:59 AM veegee: LOL
03:59 AM veegee: yeah there's much worse than that
03:59 AM veegee: what the fuck is that
04:00 AM XXCoder: ourselfs
04:00 AM veegee: normally people advertise viagra. I get it, we all gotta make a buck and eat
04:00 AM veegee: what the fuck does this piece of shit get by posting this?
04:01 AM veegee: FYI killing plants is also murder
04:01 AM net|: the brain has 11 dimensions suposedly
04:01 AM veegee: is this a troll or what
04:01 AM net|: just info
04:01 AM veegee: net| you're a stupid fucking dumbass
04:01 AM net|: i know you eat it
04:01 AM veegee: please never reproduce
04:02 AM net|: do you know if its ok ?
04:02 AM XXCoder: dumb picture
04:02 AM veegee: go to some other channel that's more receptive to your mental retardation
04:02 AM XXCoder: I think someone used hammer on keyboard and managed to get it correctly spelled
04:02 AM XXCoder: *most of it
04:02 AM veegee: net| go kill yourself
04:02 AM veegee: that won't be murder
04:03 AM veegee: that will be a service to humanity
04:03 AM veegee: And I promise I won't eat you
04:03 AM net|: why because i found a picture that upset you ?
04:03 AM net|: humans come from pigs
04:03 AM veegee: And I came inside your mom
04:04 AM net|: direct desendants from salamanders and lizards
04:04 AM veegee: blocked
04:04 AM XXCoder: vee why are you responding to pre-teenager troller
04:04 AM XXCoder: ah done with net eh
04:05 AM veegee: Why /this/ of all channels
04:05 AM XXCoder: hardly first one
04:05 AM veegee: Are they real people? Or more just developers testing/training their chat bots?
04:06 AM XXCoder: nah someone found its parent laptop and started mashing buttons thats all
04:06 AM net|: https://netpipe.ca/?page_id=4352 see for yourself
04:06 AM veegee: I don't know, #linuxcnc on IRC of all things is a very very very niche thing
04:06 AM XXCoder: just find random chat and link crap thats all
04:06 AM net|: i helped come up with 3d printers here
04:07 AM veegee: it's someone searching the most active channels and either spamming them or training chat bots
04:07 AM net|: and #usb
04:08 AM net|: no one wanted to try arduino based cnc before and got laughed at
04:08 AM net|: modbus is next for me
04:08 AM XXCoder: hows your project so far anyway vee
04:11 AM veegee: Just finished getting everything moved into the industrial unit
04:11 AM veegee: next comes the organizing of all stuff
04:11 AM XXCoder: nice :)
04:11 AM veegee: Then need to run some new wires and disconnect boxes for my 600V compressor and vertical mill
04:12 AM veegee: so now the cleanup, rewiring, setup machinery stage
04:12 AM veegee: but it's all really fun and exciting
04:14 AM XXCoder: :)
04:14 AM XXCoder: wish I could afford such lol
04:14 AM veegee: I'm using it as a living space too
04:14 AM veegee: it has its own isolated office space which I'm turning into a mini apartment
04:14 AM veegee: well I say mini, but it's huge
04:14 AM veegee: Normal apartments are tiny
04:15 AM XXCoder: nothing against it in terms?
04:15 AM veegee: No
04:15 AM veegee: It's not my permanent address
04:15 AM veegee: as far as anyone's concerned, I'm constantly working long shifts and crashing on the couch
04:16 AM XXCoder: lol ok
04:16 AM veegee: And no one knows nor cares
04:16 AM veegee: Going to put in a shower, that's all it needs
04:16 AM XXCoder: isnt it 6k a year?
04:16 AM XXCoder: pretty cheap if so
04:16 AM veegee: wait what?
04:16 AM veegee: what rent is $500/month?
04:17 AM XXCoder: nowhere here heh
04:17 AM veegee: It's $3000/month for 3300 sq•ft
04:17 AM XXCoder: ah yes misrememebred
04:17 AM veegee: But I'm sharing with a friend who is also a hobbyist
04:17 AM veegee: So he's doing $1,000 and I'm doing $2,000
04:17 AM XXCoder: 3k usd a month is above my income lol
04:17 AM veegee: and tax, utilities, all that can be written off in taxes
04:17 AM veegee: this is Canadian dollars
04:18 AM XXCoder: converted, still above my income
04:18 AM veegee: XXCoder wait your income is < 36k/year?
04:18 AM veegee: what do you do?
04:18 AM XXCoder: machinist
04:18 AM XXCoder: but not fancy type, production one
04:18 AM veegee: and they pay you that little?
04:19 AM XXCoder: yeah im not super skilled
04:19 AM veegee: how old ar eyou?
04:19 AM XXCoder: 44
04:20 AM veegee: damn
04:20 AM veegee: You should be getting more than that
04:20 AM XXCoder: if i worked 20 years on this sure
04:20 AM XXCoder: but its just 5
04:20 AM veegee: what did you do before that?
04:20 AM XXCoder: lots different jobs
04:21 AM veegee: ah ok
04:21 AM XXCoder: i can easily say i have worked 10 times more jobs than average person
04:21 AM veegee: have a wife and kids?
04:21 AM XXCoder: nope
04:21 AM veegee: that helps a lot
04:21 AM XXCoder: yeah. i dont plan to have any kids
04:22 AM XXCoder: problem is my hea;lth is slowly declining. not sure what to do about my future
04:22 AM veegee: Are your parents still alive?
04:22 AM XXCoder: not sure how that relates
04:23 AM veegee: live with them
04:23 AM XXCoder: im 44. my mom lives with me, not me with her
04:23 AM XXCoder: dad is dead by old age
04:23 AM veegee: oh ok so you do have dependants
04:23 AM veegee: that's really hard man
04:23 AM XXCoder: not really, he died over decade agio
04:24 AM XXCoder: miss him sure but its been long time.
04:24 AM veegee: no I mean
04:24 AM XXCoder: somewhat soon 20 years
04:24 AM veegee: I meant hard that you have your mom as a dependant and making only $30k/yar
04:25 AM XXCoder: oh its not too bad she pays her part
04:25 AM veegee: do you own a house? or rent
04:25 AM XXCoder: own
04:25 AM veegee: ok that helps A LOT
04:25 AM XXCoder: though my shemics dont match. I dont call something mine till loan is paid off.
04:25 AM XXCoder: i prefer to say I have a house till then. it wont happen for long time
04:26 AM veegee: what kind of health issue were you talking about before when you said your health is declining?
04:26 AM veegee: America is a shitty country, no healthcare
04:26 AM XXCoder: oh fun comination
04:26 AM XXCoder: my back is little bit grew wrong
04:26 AM veegee: like scoliosis?
04:26 AM XXCoder: sorta. think its lorditis
04:27 AM XXCoder: makes me fatter than I really am due to back being 2 inches or so too forward
04:27 AM XXCoder: arthitis since i was 27. its just worse now lol
04:28 AM XXCoder: there is bunch of others like the fact that im been dizzy for days now. nothing compared to that 9 months time tho lol
04:28 AM veegee: Sorry man :(
04:28 AM XXCoder: nah its fine
04:28 AM XXCoder: thing about having so many issues is new ones is just meh
04:29 AM XXCoder: if I ever find out that i have cancer in future, whatever
04:29 AM veegee: yeah I can relate
04:29 AM veegee: yeah exactly how I feel
04:29 AM veegee: "meh" is the reaction the doctor is going to get from me
04:32 AM XXCoder: well
04:32 AM XXCoder: issue is that in some point in future i will have issues working machines
04:32 AM XXCoder: so i want to move on, preferable to more pay too but i can accept less for job i can work for rest of life
05:07 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:07 AM XXCoder: yo
05:08 AM JT-Cave: heat wave on the way
05:09 AM XXCoder: 60f all week here
05:10 AM JT-Cave: 91°F by Friday here
05:10 AM XXCoder: ow
05:11 AM XXCoder: glad I live at more temperal stable area here
05:37 AM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/TS2I3OCjpBc very nice
05:37 AM XXCoder: scraper
07:16 AM Tom_L: morning
07:17 AM Tom_L: 97 friday
07:48 AM skunkworks: yeck
09:14 AM jymmmm: good morning
09:14 AM skunkworks: Good morning
09:15 AM jymmmm: Everyone doing alright with the looting and all?
09:16 AM skunkworks: I have kinda checked out with the news cycle.. Only get glancing blows of info.
09:21 AM roycroft: i haven't been downtown in a few days, but there was some rioting in eugene saturday night
09:22 AM roycroft: which had nothing to do with the protests - in fact the protestors were trying to stop the punks who were vandalising
09:22 AM jymmmm: I was watching the looters stealing from the looters on tv
09:24 AM roycroft: the rioters/looters are just opportunists
09:24 AM roycroft: they have nothing to do with the protests
09:25 AM roycroft: that's the case pretty much everywhere, with a few exceptions
09:25 AM roycroft: there are some who believe that it's ok for the protests to turn violent, but the overwhelming majority of protestors are peaceful
09:26 AM roycroft: i'm fortunate that the punks here are small in number, and that i live far away from where they do their crap
09:28 AM roycroft: so on a topic more closely related to this channel, andy pugh posited the other day that my broken timing gear may be a sintered part, and while i'm not very familiar with sintering, besides knowing what it is, the lack of machining marks on the part and the graininess of the break area makes me wonder if he's correct
09:29 AM roycroft: and if so, is my welder going to have issues trying to tig weld sintered steel?
09:32 AM dirty_d: only one way to find out
09:32 AM SpeedEvil: Could always tig braze
09:32 AM skunkworks: wintergatan had some 3d printed metal parts that he broke (by dropping) then tig welded it back.
09:36 AM roycroft: dirty_d: the part is nla and would be difficult to fabricate
09:36 AM roycroft: i don't want to approach the repair in a haphazard way
09:38 AM dirty_d: I wonder if silver solder will stick
09:38 AM roycroft: fortuntely my welder is probably one of the best welders in the area
09:38 AM roycroft: he does amazing work
09:38 AM roycroft: he mostly works on brew systems, but he's done a lot of work for me in the past and has agreed to take a look at this job
09:41 AM dirty_d: silver solder would wet into the crack and leave no void
09:41 AM dirty_d: if it does
09:42 AM dirty_d: I saw something about boiling it in lye to remove all the oil in the pores
09:43 AM Rab: jymmmm, I think you were trying to determine dimensions of a scissor lift yesterday...I love this program, I use it a lot for finding dimensions from still photos: https://github.com/hzeller/augenmass
09:48 AM jymmmm: Rab: Oh, I do that in CorelDraw... Place image in the background, then start dimensional drawing on top of it. In regards to scissor lift, I've been trying to find how to calculate arm lengths, travel, , and min/max heights.
09:50 AM jymmmm: Rab: ty btw =)
09:51 AM jymmmm: Rab: Android or Apple phone?
09:54 AM Rab: jymmmm, moi? Apple.
09:54 AM jymmmm: Rab: OH bummer... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.potatotree.on3dcamerameasure
09:55 AM Rab: jymmmm, that looks nice!
09:56 AM jymmmm: Rab: Yeah, I used it to measure the height of 54ft trees =)
09:57 AM Rab: Looks like this is a similar iOS app, paid version for Android as well. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/patometer3d-camera-measure/id1062639959?ls=1
10:00 AM jymmmm: Ah yeah, it's kinda cool as long as you have a reference point, in that case a credit card or a sheet f paper
10:06 AM HexaCube: hmmm, so do I have this right: I can flash a Bootloader onto the STM32 over UART, and then flash code over USB, yes?
10:07 AM HexaCube: woops, I didn't mean UART
10:07 AM Rab: I've always used st-link, not sure about a UART bootloader.
10:07 AM HexaCube: i mean ICSP
10:08 AM Rab: Yeah, although they call it st-link.
10:08 AM Rab: But it is ICSP in the literal sense.
10:09 AM HexaCube: but otherwise correct, yes? After I flash the bootloader with that, I can upload code over USB?
10:10 AM Rab: I believe so, but I haven't used that. STM32duino-bootloader is one.
10:11 AM HexaCube: right, that's what I'm getting at :P
10:11 AM HexaCube: I'm a shit coder, I think using the arduino 'framework' is as good as it'll ever get for me haha
10:12 AM Rab: I dunno, I feel like Arduino ultimately just adds obstacles. But I have found developing in C for STM32 rather more complicated than for AVR.
10:13 AM HexaCube: ooops also I just realised I'm asking all this in the wrong channel, my bad!
10:13 AM HexaCube: but thanks either way :P
10:15 AM Rab: Take a look at libopencm3. The examples are easy to compile, and make for a pretty good starting point depending on what you need: https://github.com/libopencm3
10:15 AM Rab: HexaCube, which channel did you mean to ask in?
10:16 AM HexaCube: ##electronics :P
10:16 AM Rab: ahh
10:27 AM roycroft: i've been reading more about 3d printing, and one of the issues with pla that i see discussed repeatedly is that it has a tendency to sag or slump over time
10:27 AM roycroft: my impression going in was that abs is more durable, and that is still my impression
10:27 AM roycroft: do others concur?
10:30 AM unterhaus: There is a medium article I followed to get a boot loader on my blue pills.
10:51 AM Rab: unterhaus, this one? https://medium.com/@paramaggarwal/programming-an-stm32f103-board-using-usb-port-blue-pill-953cec0dbc86
10:52 AM Rab: roycroft, I had thought that PLA was harder than ABS, but that it degrades over time. So maybe it creeps more.
10:53 AM unterhaus: Rab, that's the one
12:29 PM Tom_L: so, what's the topic over the lunch water cooler?
12:29 PM Tom_L: err scratch that.. can't use public water now
12:30 PM JT-Shop: trying to buy some punched steel channel...
12:31 PM CaptHindsight: like unistrut?
12:31 PM Tom_L: punched how?
12:34 PM JT-Shop: I assume they use an iron worker to put the 3/4" square holes in the channel
12:34 PM JT-Shop: channel and spears are out of stock :(
12:35 PM SpeedEvil: Spears are in high demand right now.
12:37 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, started the retrofit on that old machine yet?
12:38 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: if they preinstalled the bootloader on that board it would drive the price up to $2.10 or maybe even $3
12:44 PM JT-Shop: fixing to order the parts I need for the spoke machine, they guy has 21 to convert
12:44 PM Tom_L: wow
12:48 PM skunkworks: wow - Linuxcnc? or plc or what/
12:49 PM JT-Shop: a plc
12:50 PM JT-Shop: was going to use relay/timer logic but it got too complex
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: more than 4 use LCNC :)
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: or PLC
01:59 PM jymmmm: Man Fusion360 is going into the media business
02:10 PM FinboySlick: Autodesk is run by clowns :P
02:13 PM jymmmm: Read the privacy statement.... scary
02:13 PM jymmmm: Is anyone using FreeCAD?
02:13 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: clowns have been "IN" for quite while
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: replaced competent
02:14 PM * roycroft uses autocad daily
02:14 PM * roycroft keeps trying to use freecad but freecad still doesn't quite make sense to him
02:15 PM jymmmm: roycroft: Did you go thru any tutorials or videos?
02:16 PM roycroft: yes, i've gone through a few
02:16 PM FinboySlick: One of my main annoyances with every OpenCASCADE software is the fact that they insist on drawing seam lines on tangent surfaces.
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: I found it pretty natural to pick up SW, NX, Catia, Creo
02:17 PM FinboySlick: I really like SW.
02:17 PM roycroft: the biggest problem is that assemblies are barely supported even now in freecad
02:17 PM FinboySlick: Very sad that NX abandonned Linux though.
02:17 PM CaptHindsight: autodesk has a different way of doing things even with inventor
02:17 PM roycroft: the whole concept of assemblies seems to be an afterthought
02:17 PM roycroft: whereas in solidworks it's fundamental to the design process
02:17 PM jymmmm: roycroft: how so?
02:18 PM FinboySlick: SW assemblies are very nice indeed.
02:18 PM roycroft: until the most recent freecad release there was no assembly toolkit shipped with it at all - one had to rely on third-party toolkits
02:18 PM roycroft: and there are several
02:18 PM roycroft: and they all work differently and are incompatible with each other
02:18 PM roycroft: with solidworks i can do top down design easily
02:18 PM roycroft: i.e. construct parts from within assemblies
02:18 PM roycroft: instead of having to construct a bunch of parts and then connect them all in an assembly later
02:19 PM roycroft: it's a very natural workflow to me
02:19 PM roycroft: in fairness to freecad, i've just not spent enough time with it
02:20 PM roycroft: it seems to be fairly capable, but it's such a different workflow it takes a lot of time to figure out an efficient way to use it
02:20 PM FinboySlick: Did Autodesk cripple HSMWorks for SW now that they essentially integrated it into Fusion360?
02:21 PM roycroft: i don't know, but if they can find a way to inconvenience users in order to force the users to give them more money, i assume they do so :)
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: whatever works to generate the most revenue
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: i wonder how much sales increased after offering the free versions
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: cost of version, control, website etc vs sales generated is all they are looking at
03:53 PM Deejay: gn8
05:20 PM SpeedEvil: These sorts of thing are quite handy https://smile.amazon.co.uk/KKmoon-Inclinometer-Electronic-Protractor-Aluminum/dp/B07FFM6FHT
05:20 PM SpeedEvil: - is anyone aware of a related device that has a MEMs gyro, and lets you square to a surface?
05:26 PM dirty_d: isnt that exactly what you can do with that?
05:26 PM dirty_d: you'd want an accelerometer which that has, not a gyro right?
05:27 PM dirty_d: if you zero that so some surface, you can square another surface by bringing it to 90 or -90 wouldn't you?
05:28 PM unterhaus_: I almost finished a project, my dust collector. I need to find the giant hose clamp that holds the cyclone to the dust bin
05:28 PM SpeedEvil: Not quite.
05:28 PM _unreal_: well I'm happy I now have my primary stocks
05:28 PM _unreal_: that I've been wanting filled
05:29 PM SpeedEvil: That works if you have a surface that is tilted in one direction, not two.
05:30 PM dirty_d: so a three axis accelerometer?
05:31 PM SpeedEvil: No, gyro.
05:31 PM SpeedEvil: An accel doesn't keep orientation around the gravity axis
05:31 PM dirty_d: a gyro measures angular velocity though
05:32 PM SpeedEvil: Which you integrate to get orientation.
05:32 PM dirty_d: oh i see what you mean now
05:32 PM dirty_d: it would have to be a really good gyro
05:32 PM SpeedEvil: Modern 'phone class' gyros are pretty good.
05:33 PM dirty_d: the mems ones drift
05:33 PM dirty_d: i haven't messed with one in about 6 years
05:33 PM SpeedEvil: yes, but in the 5s between applying it to the surface and starting the hole, it's not much of an issue
05:33 PM dirty_d: ahh yea
05:34 PM andypugh: Blimey, these two folk really wanted a boring head! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Small-Wohlhaupter-UPA1-2mt-face-boring-head-original-box-accessories-UPA-1-/293568190361
05:34 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: 1Kg ~= 300 meters PLA
05:35 PM SpeedEvil: andypugh: I've before seen two people with the strategy 'I want it, so I'll just bid a stupidly high price' meet.
05:36 PM jymmmm: Looks liek a LOT of ppl wanted it
05:36 PM SpeedEvil: What would the NIB price be? That does not look remotely cheap
05:38 PM andypugh: I don’t think they make them any more, but iif they did, quite a few thousands
05:42 PM andypugh: The internet reckons about $3000 for the UPA3 (which is the smallest they now make)
05:46 PM roycroft: well i just ordered an ender 5 printer
05:46 PM roycroft: i spent a lot of time last night reading up on such things, and it seems it will be a decent entry level printer
05:47 PM dirty_d: I have an ender 3 and it's pretty good
05:47 PM roycroft: there is a 5 pro that has some upgrades to the 5
05:47 PM roycroft: but i haven't found a discounted price on the 5 pro
05:47 PM dirty_d: I have the 3 pro, but I think it's pretty much the same as the 3
05:47 PM roycroft: i can actually buy the 5 + the upgrades (assuming i need all of them) for less than the 5 pro
05:48 PM roycroft: so i figured i'd get the 5, get some experience with it, and then get whatever upgrades i think i need
05:48 PM roycroft: i'm more convinced than ever that i'll want to primarily use abs and not pla
05:48 PM dirty_d: isnt petg better than abs?
05:49 PM dirty_d: ive only ever used PETG
05:49 PM roycroft: petg is expensive
05:49 PM dirty_d: it is?
05:49 PM roycroft: abs is about the same cost as pla
05:49 PM dirty_d: I think i paid $20 for a spool
05:49 PM roycroft: a glass bed might be necessary for abs on that printer as well
05:50 PM dirty_d: the PLA spools are the same price
05:50 PM roycroft: hmm, i see that yes, it's roughly the same as pla and abs now
05:50 PM roycroft: so i was going on old data
05:50 PM dirty_d: I think ABS shrinks more than PETG
05:50 PM roycroft: but petg also cannot be glued and can barely be painted
05:50 PM dirty_d: ahh
05:50 PM roycroft: and i may need to glue some parts together
05:51 PM roycroft: but just because i'll primarily use abs does not mean i'll exclusively use it
05:51 PM roycroft: in fact, i'll probably use pla while i'm learning how to use the thing
05:52 PM roycroft: i'm also convinced, by discussion here and outside reading, that i'd probably be best driving the thing with an old rpi and octopi
05:52 PM roycroft: and i might even get a cheap web cam so i can monitor it while i'm not in the shop
05:52 PM roycroft: which i can connect to the rpi
05:52 PM roycroft: anyway, i think it will be a great addition to my shop
05:53 PM roycroft: one of the reasons that i got really interested in this is that i need some router radius jigs for my woodworking jobs
05:54 PM roycroft: things i can hook on the corner of a part and do an accurate radius cut on the corner with a router and flush cutting or pattern cutting tool
05:54 PM roycroft: the only decent ones on the market are from woodpeckers, and they're $300 for the set (almost as much as the printer costs), and they're one-time tools
05:54 PM roycroft: i.e. they do a limited production run on pre-sales, then retire the tool
05:55 PM roycroft: and bring it back in a couple or three years for another run
05:55 PM roycroft: and theirs, and all the others, can only be used with a rouer table - i need the ability to use one with a hand-held router
05:55 PM roycroft: so i figure i'll just design some and print them
05:56 PM roycroft: but there are all sorts of jigs that i spend a lot of time making and using once or twice
05:56 PM roycroft: with a 3d printer i can spend a very small amount of time designing a jig, let the printer take however long it needs to print it, and in the end i have a more accurate jig in whic i've invested very little time
05:57 PM roycroft: i hate the look of 3d printed parts - the layered look and the salmon skin look that some of them have
05:58 PM roycroft: but when i got it in my head that a 3d printer would be more useful to me for making jigs and the like than for making parts that people will see, i got over the dislike of the 3d printer look
05:58 PM roycroft: because it does not matter for jigs
05:58 PM roycroft: besides, with abs, i can just do a quick wipedown with some acetone to smooth things out
06:01 PM dirty_d: They're definitely handy to have. I printed a lot of stuff to build my router, and just for other random things
06:02 PM roycroft: petg is less toxic than abs
06:02 PM dirty_d: I've never smelled anything printing petg
06:03 PM roycroft: abs emits styrene, which is carcinogenic
06:03 PM roycroft: so the shop would have to be well-ventilated
06:03 PM roycroft: but moving too much air over the printer might cause the prints to fail
06:04 PM roycroft: the bottom line is that i've read a lot about all these aspects of 3d printing at length in the past, and did a lot of refresher research over the past couple days
06:04 PM roycroft: and i concluded that what i need is some first-hand experience to really be able to sort it all out in my head
06:05 PM roycroft: and at the cost of the ender 5, it's pretty cheap first-hand experience
06:05 PM roycroft: it comes with a partial spool of pla, and i have at least one spare rpi laying around, so for <$350 i'll be printing
06:07 PM roycroft: maybe i'll order a spool of abs and a spool of petg soon and do my own comparisons
06:11 PM roycroft: another thing i want to experiment with is making vacuum forms for bent/laminated wood
06:12 PM roycroft: and i'm not sure if petg would be rigid or strong enough for that
06:12 PM roycroft: it may bend or be crushed by the vacuum
06:12 PM roycroft: and abs may fare a lot better
06:38 PM andypugh: I 3D printed a special collet the other day. I don’t know how I could have made that any other way.
07:06 PM unterhaus_: I feel like kaka industries might have worked harder at choosing a name
07:06 PM unterhaus_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvhu7SVVu_Y kaka industries. And no, that doesn't appear to be a joke
07:11 PM skunkworks: I just rain across a networking company called four pair...
07:11 PM skunkworks: Thought that was cool
07:16 PM Tom_L: streamlined my post a bit more last night. dunno why i didn't think of it before
07:17 PM Tom_L: added a section for 'special' op stops etc
07:17 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: I love Kaka
07:18 PM CaptHindsight: lots of kaka on Amazon
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: and it's a name you know
07:54 PM unterhaus_: I guess that universal metal bender doesn't do anything my diacro can't do.
08:07 PM Rab: As a USian, this brand always startled me: https://www.schaeffler.de/content.schaeffler.de/en/products-and-solutions/industrial/product-portfolio/rolling_and_plain_bearings/deep_groove_ball_bearing/index.jsp
08:08 PM Rab: But this company chose wisely: https://www.rablighting.com/about
08:16 PM unterhaus_: I'm missing the problem with shaeffler?
08:18 PM unterhaus_: how about Sick AG? Founded by Erwin Sick. Sad thing was he was sick all his life
08:19 PM unterhaus_: one of my bosses made us cover over the Sick label on the laser scanners
08:22 PM roycroft: hmm, someone recommended cura as good slicing software, so i installed it to check it out
08:23 PM roycroft: i fed it a stl file that i got from one of those internet repositories and it said it automatically scaled it up 10000x, and would require over a week to print and would use 2.5kg of filament
08:24 PM roycroft: so i loaded another stl file for a part 4x as big that was otherwise identical and it scaled it down to 0.2mm and said it would require 0.000g of filament
08:24 PM roycroft: then i installed slic3r (i hate the name, but whatever) nd it handled both of them just fine, it seems
08:24 PM roycroft: now i have to figure out what's up with that
08:25 PM jdh: I didn't say it was good. I said it was easy
08:25 PM roycroft: i suppose it doesn't much matter in the end, because i anticipate i'll be generating most of my own files
08:25 PM roycroft: it *is* easy
08:25 PM roycroft: i told it what printer i have
08:25 PM roycroft: and then i literally dragged an stl file to the app and it did its thing
08:26 PM roycroft: it claims to have some kind of solidworks plugin
08:26 PM roycroft: which would be nice, perhaps
08:26 PM roycroft: but this may be the time for me to sit down and actually figure out how to do something useful with freecad
08:26 PM roycroft: i'm doing this on a mac, btw
08:27 PM roycroft: perhaps the linux version of cura would be happier with those files
08:28 PM jdh: doubtful
08:30 PM roycroft: slic3r seems to be ok, although not having a printer at this point there's no way i can really know
08:30 PM roycroft: it generates a big file fulll of gcode that looks like something a 3d printer would want to eat
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.bigassfans.com/
08:31 PM roycroft: but i suppose this is the fun of the new toy - playing with all the software that's out there and figuring out what works and what doesn't; what i like and what i don't
08:32 PM roycroft: if cura can be tweaked to work well for me, and if that solidworks plugin actually works well, it would be worth spending time with it for sure
08:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.schiit.com/
08:32 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, those fans are widely used here, and they're indeed quite large.
08:32 PM roycroft: my fan is big enough
08:32 PM roycroft: but my shop is small
08:33 PM roycroft: really big fan in small shop is not a good fit
08:34 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.labcritics.com/companies/analtech/
08:34 PM CaptHindsight: what's in a name?
08:44 PM unterhaus_: bigassfans had the most awesome display at IMTS.
08:45 PM unterhaus_: I knew about them, but seeing one of their big-ass fans in person is something else
08:45 PM unterhaus_: I feel like the hyphen is doing important duty there
09:07 PM roycroft: i see there's a freecad plugin for cura as well
09:30 PM jymmmm: cura?
09:30 PM jymmmm: ah
10:39 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan