#linuxcnc Logs
May 08 2020
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:55 AM Loetmichel: Oh maaan. just found the box with the 300 custom made 5m long USB2 cables we ordered in china a few years back... no shield, no twist in the data lines, all awg24 (data AND power)... WHY is that still in storage? THAT garbage the boss keeps while he throws away things that would have been useful on a weekly basis. :-(
03:02 AM XXCoder: 3 hundred usb crap cables??
03:02 AM Loetmichel: yes
03:02 AM XXCoder: crazy
03:02 AM XXCoder: desolder cables you might want connectors in future? lol
03:02 AM XXCoder: too much work tho
03:02 AM Loetmichel: customer wanted 5m mouse cables on his systems
03:02 AM Loetmichel: the connectors are of course molded onto the ends
03:02 AM Loetmichel: no desoldering there
03:03 AM XXCoder: summary looks good. will get
03:09 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: boeing is ramping up but I dont know how fast we will get jobs from them lol
03:10 AM XXCoder: nd well 737 is still dead in water
03:10 AM XXCoder: just glad we was not still at 95% boeing like before, that'd have crushed us
03:10 AM XXCoder: 70% still hurts
03:17 AM XXCoder: sensille: i recently caught up on spellmonger. good.
03:17 AM XXCoder: also wandering inn
03:17 AM XXCoder: caught up wioth chapter 5 and 6. note one chapter of wandering inn is approxately 10 books worth
03:17 AM XXCoder: even with that huge amount of text, its still very dense story
03:18 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: similar situation here with Thales
03:18 AM Loetmichel: lickily (or not) they are ordering like crazy
03:18 AM Loetmichel: luckily
03:18 AM XXCoder: good thing yeah
03:19 AM sensille: XXCoder: spellmonger book one is the start i guess?
03:19 AM sensille: or is it a series of series :D
03:19 AM XXCoder: spellmonger is name of first book of series spellmonger
03:19 AM Loetmichel: abd boss (as always) is telling them delivery dates he pulled out of his behind. not doable at all
03:19 AM Loetmichel: hence the overtime
03:19 AM XXCoder: dumb really. stress
03:19 AM XXCoder: and money paid to you and others increases!
03:20 AM sensille: ok, bought as audiobook
03:20 AM Loetmichel: nope
03:20 AM Loetmichel: fixed salary
03:20 AM XXCoder: https://wanderinginn.com/ sensille
03:20 AM XXCoder: damn
03:20 AM XXCoder: thats nuts loet
03:20 AM Loetmichel: "usualy overtime is counted as paid for"
03:20 AM XXCoder: pushing you guys to breaking point is abuse
03:21 AM sensille: wandering inn is only volume one available on audible. i'll wait until a few more are there
03:21 AM Loetmichel: the sad thing is that he doesent do it intentionally
03:21 AM sensille: but 43h, that's good
03:21 AM XXCoder: i scrape website and make ebook
03:22 AM XXCoder: audio stuff is useless for me
03:22 AM Loetmichel: he is a nice guy. just a bit on the senile side of things lately
03:22 AM XXCoder: loet concerning because people WILL leave if too much abuse
03:22 AM Loetmichel: indeed
03:23 AM Loetmichel: the only reason i am still here is because i "pity" him and do what i can to "repair" his poor decisions so the company stays afloat.
03:24 AM XXCoder: is it small enough you can buy him out?
03:24 AM Loetmichel: i could, but i would not like to have THAT milling stone of a company around my neck, thanks
03:26 AM XXCoder: true lol some just meh
04:24 AM Loetmichel: hehe, just "upgraded the CNC 6040 router. Noticed lately that it makes "parallelograms" instead of rectangles. Sadly the Vacuum table blocks the screws for the alu profiles so i cant adjust the gantry... now i can (though i didnt hit the screws on first try , still not bad for aiming the drills "free hand" -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17809&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:25 AM XXCoder: lol
04:55 AM JT-Cave: morning
04:56 AM XXCoder: hey
05:39 AM Deejay: hi
06:16 AM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest25871
06:42 AM Tom_L: mornong
07:01 AM JT-Cave: forecast for tonight 37°F was 35°F yesterday
07:47 AM elmo40: JT-Cave: we had the full moon couple nights ago with clear skies. next morning was frost on the lawn!
07:50 AM JT-Cave: I have a bunch of 4' tall tomato plants in the raised beds to protect from the cold for the next few nights
07:56 AM Loetmichel: OH MAAAN! I just milled a sheet of alu parallel in x, then milled one corner in y, flipped it around, milled again the same corner in y but half depth. result: 0 ant the lower corner, -4,7mm off on the far corner... means that gantry is 2.35mm out of square... NO WONDER my parts didnt fit!
07:58 AM * JavaBean grabs his 39 and a half foot pole, pat pats Loetmichel
07:59 AM Loetmichel: 12m, really? dont you think thats a bit long?
08:00 AM JavaBean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pQgSvN7hYo reference
08:02 AM JavaBean: lyrics in text format https://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/g/grinch/your_a_mean_one_mr_grinch.html
08:42 AM gregcnc: https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/for/d/geneva-haas-csmd-control-simulator/7120540384.html
08:43 AM gregcnc: would be fun to setup with Linuxcnc on a machine
08:45 AM Loetmichel: uups. wrong direction. loosenend the gantry, rotated it 2,3mm, refixed it, tested again: 7mm out of square ;)))
08:49 AM sensille: Loetmichel: is it possible that the X ballscrew on the 6040 is in one direction only constrained by the springy coupler?
08:52 AM Loetmichel: sensille: no more springy couplers. changed them to claw type with a rubber in the middle
08:53 AM Loetmichel: took the machine less than an hour of runtime to destroy the y springy coupler ;)
08:55 AM sensille: i take that as a yes and should do something similar
08:56 AM Loetmichel: ah, you meant on your machine?
08:56 AM Loetmichel: not that i know of, the ballscrew has "fest/loslager" like it should be
08:57 AM Loetmichel: so not constrained by the coupler but by the bearings
08:57 AM Loetmichel: "fest/loslager" = one fixed (double) bearing, one sliding one
09:13 AM sensille: i was wondering because i can see the coupler expand a big when i push the bridge by hand
09:13 AM sensille: i need to disassemble it to take a closer look
09:44 AM Loetmichel: soo0, losened the gantry AGAIN, moved all the way the other direction, refastened, test mill: still 2,1mm(1.05mm abolute) out of square... seems i have to bite the bullet and remove the entire ganry and redrill the holes one size bigger so i have more wiggle room :-(
09:44 AM Loetmichel: sensille: may be that your bearing nut is lose?
09:51 AM sensille: maybe. need it disassemble it to understand how it's built
11:04 AM Rab: "Shars Tool is Temporarily Suspending Shipping Operations but Customer Service and Technical Support is available via Email"
11:10 AM Rab: Due to limited staff, they say on their shipping page.
11:18 AM unterhaus_: is shars in chicago?
11:18 AM Rab: St. Charles, IL
11:20 AM Rab: Looks like a suburb of Chicago, or pretty close.
12:18 PM Loetmichel: soo, got it down to 1,4mm/0.7mm gantry out of square with the help of some bigger Hammer... good enough for today,. tomorrow i will check if i can move the other side back the rest of the way. (or more likely monday)
12:20 PM Loetmichel: maybe i can do without drilling the bolt holes in the gantry bigger. Which would be nice because it means i can skip dismantling the whole router
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: they are near me
12:52 PM jymmmm: Does anyone rememebr the name of the company that makes springs and sells them in plastic bags, that have a yellow printing on them?
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: maybe a dozen or so people there
12:53 PM Rab: jymmmm, you're not thinking of McMaster-Carr?
12:54 PM jymmmm: Rab: No, it's a company that would sell to hardware stores, farm supply houses, etc
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: surprising since they are very Chinese management there
12:55 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, it doesn't seem encouraging. I was getting an order ready to place yesterday, noticed the banner today.
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: out of place for them, unless their stocks are low
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: or if everyone is sick there
12:57 PM CaptHindsight: they have 4-5 guys run around filling orders
12:59 PM jymmmm: Rab: Century Spring Corp http://centuryspring.com/
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: they seem to be shipping on ebay
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: rab search for Shars and the other name they use is Discount Machine Shop
01:06 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.ebaystores.com/Discount-Machine-Shop
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: maybe they can only handle ebay orders now
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: oops Due to the limited staff, we will not be able to ship any orders starting 5/8/2020 until further notice. Thank you for your understanding and we will try to resume business as soon as possible.
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: Discount Machine
01:08 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, yes, that was how I was planning to order, since they have cheaper shipping for small items that way.
01:09 PM Rab: Went to the website to check shipping that way, noticed the banner, went back to eBay, noticed the notice. :(
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: maybe time to try Mohawk, MSC etc
01:12 PM Rab: Why yes, MSC has the $5 Shars item for $54.
01:13 PM Rab: Just a small slitting saw arbor. The MSC arbor is surely better quality, CoO is still China.
01:13 PM Rab: They have Made in USA for $66.93!
01:14 PM CaptHindsight: U S A, U S A, U S A!
01:15 PM Rab: Hmm, McMaster-Carr is actually cheaper with a US-made arbor for $48.73.
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: the pandemic has caused many to reconsider their supply chains
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: what size arbor?
01:18 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, 1/2"
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: I thin i have that one from Shars
01:18 PM Rab: Looks like Grizzly has the cheap junk I seek, for cheaper than Shars! https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00012YEJK
01:19 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, how is it?
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kbctools.com/products/search/?Keyword=1%2F2%20saw%20arbor
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: used it once
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: 7 years ago
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: ah it's right next to the one from McMaster, so the Shars might have been flaky
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: I use the will call at Shars so sometimes I pick up extra odds and ends when I'm there
01:23 PM Rab: Hmm, Grizzly will ship it themselves for (slightly) less than through Amazon.
01:23 PM CaptHindsight: indexable cutting tools, surface plates and vises are all I get from Shars now
01:24 PM Rab: If I could get to the lathe at work I could make my own arbor that would probably be no worse.
01:24 PM Rab: And made in the USA.
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: U S A
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: sorry
01:25 PM methods_: aka coronaland
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: were number 1
01:26 PM MacGalempsy: Still the freest place on earth
01:26 PM MacGalempsy: maybe with exception in the middle of the ocean
01:27 PM methods_: filthy 'murricans don't know how to wash their hands
01:27 PM Rab: Never apologize for patriotism. That's what the coastal elites want.
01:28 PM XXCoder: methods_: spanish flu was called that not because it started in spanish, but because they had the worse numbers of cases. i guess covid 19 should be called usa covid
01:29 PM MacGalempsy: if we go by official counts
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: yeah everyone seems to be fudging numbers
01:30 PM XXCoder: yeah. actual numbers is likely to be much worse
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: oh well
01:30 PM XXCoder: including usa
01:30 PM methods_: you can't handle the truth
01:31 PM XXCoder: i found it interesting that russia, which have similiar leadership, is also exploding in covid cases
01:31 PM XXCoder: #5 now
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: now we really see how fragile the supply chain is for many products
01:31 PM XXCoder: exponental growth, one of few left
01:32 PM Rab: XXCoder, I understand that Spanish Flu got its name because that government didn't embargo flu news during wartime. The lesson there is that if you pretend nothing's happening, the blame might shift elsewhere.
01:32 PM methods_: if you want to make an omelette you gotta kill a few old people
01:32 PM Rab: Russia is doing a great job. No homosexuals and no Covid-19.
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: MERS and Ebola are named after the regions they started in
01:33 PM XXCoder: Rab: yeah i recall reading that also. probably likely. after all, when in war you dont wanna enemy thinking most solders died by it
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: but the WHO gets to name them
01:34 PM XXCoder: so youre hjomophobic or joking Rab
01:34 PM Rab: XXCoder, I'm joking. ;)
01:35 PM XXCoder: ok
01:35 PM XXCoder: woke up fairly recently heh
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: he's just commenting on the numbers
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: mostly cheap consumer goods, processed materials with environmental issues, semiconductors
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: manufacturers in the USA and Europe are reconsidering their supply chains
01:44 PM CaptHindsight: we started seeing some reshoring of products that are manufactured exclusively with automation
01:44 PM CaptHindsight: this was a few years ago
01:46 PM CaptHindsight: China has the advantage where there is hand assembly or environmental issues
01:46 PM Rab: There was some discussion of that regarding the US tariffs: that newly-automated manufacturing might return, but jobs wouldn't.
01:47 PM CaptHindsight: but even in China we had to jump through hoops to setup a chemical processing factory
01:47 PM CaptHindsight: had to prove how we would handle any toxic waste
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: even China is all about automation
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: their home built automation is about low cost, it works well enough and long enough to make money
01:49 PM XXCoder: capt china seem to be cracking down on envorment damage. now that its been couple months and pollution cleared out a little I wonder if they find it good and work even harder on this.
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: vs building automation that lasts for a decade or two
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: it's still corrupt
01:50 PM XXCoder: well yeah not point of my statement though :)
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: they have an EPA equivalent, but if you are connected you have less problems
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: but on the surface they are more concerned about the environment
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: that started maybe 10 years ago
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: they are Capitalists above all
02:53 PM Deejay: gn8
04:23 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:47 PM _unreal_: So this weekend I'm hopping to get some good progress on the machines motion control
04:47 PM _unreal_: finally
04:47 PM _unreal_: maybe even power something up?
05:11 PM veegee: What the hell? "cold welding"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpecAFz_fA
05:11 PM veegee: Isn't that just regular TIG welding with a pulse setting?
05:12 PM veegee: How is that cold welding?
05:12 PM veegee: Also what's going on with the wire here in the first part of the video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAKJXTMylyA
05:17 PM andypugh: veegee: That’s a “PUK” welder. My sister has one.
05:17 PM veegee: andypugh what's the principle of operation?
05:17 PM veegee: How is it different than regular TIG?
05:18 PM andypugh: It’s like TIG but the electrode is on a solenoid. You touch the work to the electrode, it detects contact, then pulses the current just as contact breaks.
05:18 PM veegee: AKA scratch start?
05:18 PM andypugh: It’s vry good for tiny things.
05:19 PM andypugh: No, not like scratch start.
05:19 PM veegee: Sorry meant lift start
05:19 PM andypugh: It uses a very small sense voltage initially, then gives a single mS pulse just as contact breaks.
05:20 PM andypugh: My sister uses it to weld claws to rings to set diamonds.
05:20 PM veegee: Hmmm, wonder if I can modify my TIG welder to do that
05:20 PM veegee: my TIG machine can do lift start and HF start
05:21 PM andypugh: Here is an exhaust manifold for a model engine weldd with one: https://photos.app.goo.gl/19fVNRS4dNUMJ6fo7
05:22 PM veegee: Nice
05:22 PM veegee: I still don't see how that's different from the principle of lift start
05:22 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/sqnoyFoyHgcUwdKp7
05:22 PM veegee: Wouldn't lift start with a very very short single pulse be the same thing?
05:23 PM andypugh: To an extent.
05:23 PM veegee: Those exhaust manifolds can also be done by conventional TIG right?
05:23 PM veegee: Just with a small diameter electrode and low current and correct pulse settings
05:23 PM andypugh: But this only ever does a single pulse, and a solenoid in the handpiece retracts the tungsten at a known rate.
05:24 PM veegee: The girl in the video looks like she's using a regular tig torch
05:24 PM veegee: Oh the handpiece physically retracts the tungsten
05:24 PM veegee: The girl in the video looks like she's using a regular TIG torch with a hand switch
05:25 PM andypugh: Yes you could weld the manifold with conventional TIG if you were _very_ good.
05:25 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/9jZPjx3fPYKqXHWG6
05:26 PM andypugh: I think that’s an ER25 to hold the part ahd an ER11 collet for the tool.
05:26 PM andypugh: It’s very tiny
05:27 PM veegee: Ah ok now I see
05:27 PM veegee: I looked up the PUK machine, but the girl in the video is using a regular TIG torch that looks _exactly_ like mine with the hand switch and all
05:28 PM veegee: Also she's not touching the workpiece
05:28 PM veegee: I think she's using a completely different technique
05:28 PM veegee: It looks like her machine is doing just regular HF start with a very short pulse
05:29 PM veegee: I could be wrong though, the video is very poor quality
05:30 PM veegee: But I'm really curious what she's doing and how she's doing it
05:30 PM veegee: with a regular TIG torch
05:31 PM andypugh: Well, I think _she_ is a scammer, as I watched the same video years ago.
05:31 PM veegee: LOL!
05:31 PM veegee: These videos are all 2 months old though
05:31 PM veegee: Unless she made a new account and reuploaded them for some reason
05:33 PM andypugh: My assumption was stolen content.
05:33 PM andypugh: Though perhaps not, the long manicured fingernails in some of the shots are new.
05:33 PM veegee: It really looks like no contact is being made here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZmdN8LXQQ
05:34 PM veegee: The sound that it's making also sounds like HF start
05:34 PM veegee: I'm going to try this on some old razor blades
05:35 PM andypugh: I am starting to think that I might be maligning Ms Welder
05:36 PM veegee: Doesn't matter to me, I just want to know how she's doing what she's doing
05:36 PM andypugh: (I have no problem believing that girls can weld, as I said, my sister has one)
05:36 PM veegee: I wasn't even thinking that. Although, now that you mention it, girls should be in the kitchen making me a sandwich
05:36 PM andypugh: This is actual PUK:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM2YZlR0qO0
05:36 PM veegee: Not playing with big boy toys
05:37 PM veegee: Yeah I saw that, definitely not what the girl's machine is doing
05:37 PM veegee: something else is going on here
05:37 PM veegee: You can also hear the argon flow
05:38 PM veegee: And the girl's machine is definitely not retracting the tungsten and it doesn't look like she's doing it manually either
05:38 PM veegee: (The sexist comment above was a joke by the way. I can't believe I have to clarify that these days...)
05:39 PM andypugh: HF start + foot pedal + pulse?
05:39 PM veegee: hand switch, not even foot pedal
05:39 PM veegee: you can see it on her torch
05:39 PM veegee: I'm going to try it out
05:39 PM veegee: That's what I suspected from the beginning
05:42 PM veegee: I also keep fouling my gas lens screens. Sometimes I use my torch for filling in the crevices of the metal place that I use to practice stick welding, and those crevices are very difficult to clean. So when I start moving the puddle into the crevice, metal sparks start flying out and some right into the cup of the TIG torch and get stuck on the gas lens. So annoying
05:47 PM veegee: I should probably use a grinding wheel to clean them out
05:56 PM veegee: andypugh how much does the PUK machine cost?
05:57 PM andypugh: Quite a lot.
05:57 PM andypugh: The number that comes to mind is £4000
05:58 PM andypugh: Though Roj the model manifold guy bought one. But then he also bought a Deckel CNC for his hobby. And a Hardinge CNC lathe.
06:14 PM dirty_d: so today my router randomly started homing the X axis in the wrong direction. As far as I can tell, I haven't changed anything
06:14 PM dirty_d: it jogs the correct way, the home switch is in the positive direction
06:15 PM dirty_d: home_search_vel_and home_latch_vel are positive
06:19 PM dirty_d: If I change the order of homing to XYZ, everything works normally
06:19 PM dirty_d: ZXY, X is the wrong way
06:27 PM dirty_d: I know why, Z was tripping the limit switch at home, and all switches are in series
06:38 PM andypugh: Possibly Z isn’t moving off the switch all the way so X thinks that it is doing the latch not the search?
06:40 PM dirty_d: yea exactly
06:41 PM dirty_d: it's been set up wrong all along, but for some reason the limit switch wasn't getting tripped at home before
06:43 PM dirty_d: something else weird is happening. I'm getting the program exceeds maximum Z error, but the larges Z move in the program is Z0.1404, I can manually jog up to Z0.1464
06:43 PM dirty_d: I'm cutting something very close the maximum height I can
06:44 PM andypugh: That’s normally an indication that you need to touch-off. Of your Max Z is 0 (it normally is) then anything positive in _machine_ coordinates is out of bounds
06:46 PM dirty_d: my max machine coordinate is 0.050
06:46 PM dirty_d: Z0.1464 in G54 right now, is 0.050 in machine coordinates
06:47 PM dirty_d: the highest movement in the program 0.1404, is 0.044 in machine coordinates
06:48 PM andypugh: what’s your max Z in the INI?
06:49 PM dirty_d: MAX_LIMIT = 0.050
06:49 PM dirty_d: HOME_OFFSET = 0.1
06:49 PM dirty_d: HOME = 0
06:50 PM andypugh: Home setup is something you don’t do very often. So I am fuzzy on the details.
06:51 PM dirty_d: the homing is working how I'd like
06:51 PM andypugh: If you take the tool out and touch-off so that the max limit is < 0 does it start
06:54 PM dirty_d: I moved G54 down so that I can jog all the way up to 0.4369, still gives the error
06:54 PM dirty_d: if I move down a tiny bit more, it works
06:55 PM dirty_d: now the max Z in machine units is -0.2465
06:56 PM dirty_d: I think there might be a 0.25" clearance check in the code somewhere?
06:57 PM andypugh: You can normally jog to exactly on the limit
06:59 PM dirty_d: yea I can jog to the exact limit
06:59 PM dirty_d: but I mean maybe it checks for 0.25" extra room for a program?
07:01 PM dirty_d: its not exactly 0.25", but im homing in on it
07:05 PM XXCoder: hey all
07:05 PM XXCoder: i wonder if any of you ever had liner put in sewers?
07:05 PM XXCoder: if so, any good?
07:07 PM Rab: XXCoder, I suppose it depends on your sewer, but I've only heard bad things.
07:08 PM XXCoder: yeah? like what?
07:09 PM Rab: My neighborhood was built out in the '50s with this awful pipe that's basically tarpaper. Over time it collapsed and disintegrated, and tree roots entered through pinholes. The liner does very little, or even sloughs off inside the pipe and creates more blockage.
07:09 PM XXCoder: ouch
07:10 PM XXCoder: this house sewers is in fairly sad condition
07:10 PM Rab: And I don't believe liner installation is cheap. Probably better to put that money toward a ditch witch and some PVC pipe.
07:10 PM XXCoder: i dont think we can do this one opurselves
07:10 PM Rab: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangeburg_pipe
07:17 PM XXCoder: man thats nuts
07:17 PM XXCoder: anyway i bet it will be way expensive to replace pipe :(
07:19 PM andypugh: “Orangeburg was a low cost alternative to metal for sewer lines in particular.”
07:20 PM andypugh: Interesting. I don’t think metal has ever been in widespread use for sewers in the UK.
07:22 PM Rab: andypugh, the alternative here would have been cast iron. That's how the houses are plumbed under the slab; orangeburg pipe is outside. Cast iron doesn't hold up too well after 60 years underground, either.
07:23 PM andypugh: The only sewers I have ever laid were clay.
07:23 PM andypugh: https://www.wavin.com/en-gb/about/our-brands/hepworth-clay-and-terracotta
07:24 PM andypugh: We went to the factory for them too.
07:26 PM XXCoder: cool though probbaly more money?
07:28 PM andypugh: Plastic has mainly taken over.
07:28 PM andypugh: It seems that Knowles (who we used) and now mainly doing chimney pots and liner: https://www.wtknowles.co.uk/products/
07:31 PM andypugh: But Hepworths are still diggging up mud and making pipes here; https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hepworth+Building+Products+Ltd/@53.5375616,-1.7300453,1114m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x487bd09a6ac31e45:0xbdec578663c9117d!2sHade+Edge,+Holmfirth+HD9+2TG!3b1!8m2!3d53.543419!4d-1.781179!3m4!1s0x487bd71aae0cc673:0xd05c81469c189bf3!8m2!3d53.5388465!4d-1.7267337
07:39 PM skunkworks: our house was move (before we bought it) - new basement and plumbing and the hooked it into the origonal clay lateral line.. They had to dig it up and redo it a few years later.
07:42 PM Tom_L: i replaced mine http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/drain2.jpg
07:42 PM Tom_L: was clay / iron thru the foundation
07:43 PM XXCoder: we have iron, pvc, concerete in single pipe run
07:43 PM Tom_L: also added a basement :) http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/house/1.jpg
07:43 PM XXCoder: it kept changing lol
07:45 PM Tom_L: XXCoder, the city adds liners to some of theirs
07:47 PM XXCoder: interesting
08:42 PM Thorhian: Hi guys! Does anyone here use a Raspberry Pi and 7C80 or 7C81?
08:43 PM XXCoder: hey
08:43 PM Thorhian: Hello XXCoder
09:03 PM turq: would the mechmate work for milling PCBs?