Apr 02 2020
12:01 AM _unreal_: got my paper work finally
12:07 AM _unreal_: feels good to have health insurance again finally
12:07 AM _unreal_: the company I work for offered it FINALLY
12:19 AM CaptHindsight: "meuglement" is the sound that french cows make
12:24 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
01:20 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
02:13 AM Loetmichel: *maaan* someone should tell the delivery guys that we have no forklift and that they should always come with a truck with tail lift... just took for pallets monitors and PC off a truck carton by carton :-(
02:16 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
02:52 AM pink_vampire: hi
02:57 AM Loetmichel: here the day started "great" today... first thing i do is cutting my hands back on the mill bit when cleaning the CNC mill table, then the pallet unloading by hand, and the coffee grinds are empty, too. :(
03:47 AM XXCoder: home a bit early
03:47 AM XXCoder: ran out of stuff to do
03:48 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel: I hope for you is not bad as last time
03:48 AM XXCoder: hey pink
03:48 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: do you want to help me programming?
03:48 AM XXCoder: uhh depends on what
03:49 AM pink_vampire: arduino
03:49 AM XXCoder: my programming knowledge is bit antiue. rusty and suspectous hardened material on it
03:49 AM XXCoder: ehh might be able to help on one thing or other
03:49 AM Loetmichel: pink_vampire: 'tis just a scratch :-)
03:49 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: once it cures, can you find it among other scars again? ;)
03:50 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel: pics or didn't happen :-)
03:50 AM Loetmichel: was just annoying to bleed all over the CNC mill until i noticed the cut and put a bandaid over it ,)
03:50 AM Loetmichel: pink_vampire: not worth the effort, just a 2cm cut on the back of the hand
03:51 AM pink_vampire: sure..
03:51 AM Loetmichel: things that happen when you put a sandpaper to the vacuum table to clear any burrs and hit the mill bit... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17586&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
03:52 AM Loetmichel: those tungsten carbide bits are sharp as a razor and exaclty on the right height to scratch the back of you hand when you work on the wooden board (now a vacuum table)
03:52 AM pink_vampire: this cabinet look very nice
03:53 AM pink_vampire: just cover the tip with the rubber cover that come with it
03:58 AM Loetmichel: they dont come with one
03:58 AM Loetmichel: they are delivered in a plastic shell
03:58 AM pink_vampire: I'm sure you have some
03:58 AM Loetmichel: i may have
03:58 AM Loetmichel: but that was just an example pic, usually the machine is a LOT more dirty
03:59 AM pink_vampire: maybe you need to print magnetic cover
04:00 AM Loetmichel: magnetic???
04:00 AM XXCoder: why not? chips transfer far less force than stronger magnets
04:00 AM pink_vampire: yeah, just like a cone shape with 3 magnets that will cover the tip of the spindle
04:02 AM Loetmichel: pink_vampire: i never mill steel
04:03 AM Loetmichel: alu, brass, plastics.
04:03 AM Loetmichel: :-)
04:03 AM Loetmichel: have fun with magnets ;)
04:04 AM pink_vampire: just a cover to protect your hands from the sharp bits. when you load / unload material
04:04 AM Loetmichel: ah
04:05 AM Loetmichel: yes. or learn to pull the mill bit while doing that, its not like i didnt learn to switch off the spindle while loading by drilling a 3mm hole thru my thumb bone a while back ;)
04:05 AM pink_vampire: I'm just cover the tip with the rubber cover that come with it.
04:06 AM pink_vampire: also you can finish your program with g53 g0 z0, and drive the spindle all the way to the top.
04:06 AM Loetmichel: it IS all the way to the top on that pic
04:07 AM Loetmichel: thats just about 80mm above the table
04:07 AM pink_vampire: get a fiber laser
04:08 AM pink_vampire: most if your work is 2d cutting anyway
04:09 AM Tom_L: kinda like cleaning a loaded gun
04:10 AM Tom_L: you're just askin for it
04:10 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: indeed
04:11 AM Loetmichel: pink_vampire: nope, almost all the parts i do have slots to half sheet thickness in them
04:11 AM Loetmichel: nothing a fiber laser can do
04:12 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14160&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:12 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17098&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:13 AM Loetmichel: see?
04:13 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16348&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <-clearer pic
04:22 AM rmu|w: laser cutting brass needs quite some power methinks
04:24 AM Loetmichel: rmu|w: less than alu IIRC
04:30 AM rmu|w: Loetmichel: you can cut aluminium with co2-lasers, not sure if possible with brass or copper
04:33 AM Loetmichel: rmu|w: IIRC brass needs about 80% the power shiny alu needs.
04:34 AM Loetmichel: only thing worse than alu on a co2 laser is IIRC blank copper
04:34 AM XXCoder: i wonder if I can engrave with 5.5w on alum lol
04:35 AM Loetmichel: you can. if you blacken the alu with soot or similar first
04:35 AM XXCoder: cool
04:35 AM XXCoder: one thing I wanna try is powdercoat and laser
04:35 AM rmu|w: then you probably engrave the soot ;)
04:35 AM XXCoder: make some very detailed design
04:35 AM Loetmichel: rmu|w: more like "weld the soot into the alu"
04:36 AM Loetmichel: but the effect is the same: very durable "engraving"
04:37 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: from experience: an 80W co2 tube can cut about 0,2mm thick alu and 0,3mm thick stainless steel if you go SLOW
04:37 AM Loetmichel: it can engrave alu at 10% power setting though
04:37 AM XXCoder: how do you prevent it from decocating your floor too?
04:38 AM Loetmichel: decoating?
04:38 AM XXCoder: decorating
04:38 AM rmu|w: XXCoder: don't shine it on the floor
04:38 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
04:38 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: its only in focus for a few tenths of a mm
04:38 AM XXCoder: ah makes sense
04:39 AM Loetmichel: before and after that its simply not enough energy per square for the floor to care
04:39 AM XXCoder: cool :)
04:39 AM Loetmichel: btw: you can engrave black plastic with 50mW if you focus it correcltly. been there done that.
04:40 AM XXCoder: i dont mind having large machine with plenty w someday
04:40 AM XXCoder: but not now
04:40 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14322&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:40 AM Loetmichel: tried that. :-)
04:40 AM Loetmichel: i could "write" on that plastic with the UV laser no problem
04:40 AM Loetmichel: took time though ;)
04:40 AM XXCoder: nice
04:40 AM XXCoder: uh goggles on?
04:41 AM Loetmichel: nope ;)
04:41 AM XXCoder: 50mw isnt too bad but careful
04:43 AM Deejay: hi
04:50 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: just heed to the sign in the laser lab: "protect your remaining eye!"
04:50 AM Loetmichel: :-)
04:50 AM XXCoder: indeed heh
05:05 AM jthornton: morning
05:06 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:06 AM XXCoder: just got not great but not bad news from work
05:06 AM XXCoder: they will evenually cut some workers work by one day
05:07 AM XXCoder: -10 hours
05:07 AM XXCoder: but they will work very hard to retain everyone
05:11 AM XXCoder: https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/9412-Figure-1-2.png
05:11 AM XXCoder: current sick leave laws
05:11 AM jthornton: where my wife works if you get a doctors excuse you can stay home and still get a reduced paycheck
05:11 AM XXCoder: jt no, there is company coverage if they have to cut hours we get money
05:12 AM XXCoder: it scales depending on hours
05:12 AM XXCoder: if say I miss 20 hours due to not having anything to work, I get 50% of my normal pay for those
05:12 AM jthornton: that's cool
05:13 AM XXCoder: 100% if entire week (full pay)
05:13 AM jthornton: I was just saying what they do where my wife works
05:13 AM XXCoder: say if I miss a hour it isnt worth it, it would be very small percent of my normal pay for that hour.
05:13 AM XXCoder: ahh yeah misread
05:13 AM XXCoder: that is pretty good
05:25 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
05:49 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel: you can etch the metal with laser not all the way
05:51 AM Loetmichel: pink_vampire: not precise enough
05:51 AM Loetmichel: depth wise
05:52 AM Loetmichel: variations in remaining thickness are visible on the outside when bending
05:55 AM pink_vampire: so just take the tool out, or cover it
05:56 AM Loetmichel: yes, that would be wise... that said i am a fool ;)
05:56 AM Loetmichel: + lazy ;)
05:56 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3novypPqos - this is the most beautiful and unnecessary complicated probe I've ever saw in my life.
05:57 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: lol
05:57 AM XXCoder: dial indictor, ocd, etc
05:58 AM XXCoder: postive is that its very very easily replacable if broke
05:58 AM sensille: but why ...
05:58 AM Loetmichel: pink_vampire: MUHAHA
05:58 AM XXCoder: its like $10?
05:58 AM Loetmichel: ingenious
05:58 AM XXCoder: vs $10000000000000000000000000 for reinshaw
05:58 AM pink_vampire: kinematic probe will be faster and better
05:58 AM sensille: what is $10?
05:59 AM XXCoder: cheap dial indictor and webcam heh
05:59 AM XXCoder: fine $20
05:59 AM sensille: i don't think so
05:59 AM sensille: "haimer 3d taster"
05:59 AM pink_vampire: Haimer is not cheap
05:59 AM Loetmichel: just wanted to say "haimer isnt that cheap" ;)
05:59 AM XXCoder: ah thought it was basic dial indictor lol
06:00 AM Loetmichel: it is
06:00 AM Loetmichel: but its no china stuff
06:00 AM pink_vampire: and the haimer ceramic inserts also cost
06:00 AM Loetmichel: hence pretty expensive
06:00 AM sensille: it's more like 'i paid all that money, i want to hold on onto it'
06:00 AM XXCoder: i guess camera thing is just for lols
06:00 AM sensille: $300
06:01 AM XXCoder: i bet something similiar can be done with cheap indictor, but only for z not sides
06:01 AM sensille: are there cheap chinese 3d dial indicators?
06:01 AM XXCoder: 3d dunno
06:05 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
06:12 AM XXCoder: cant find any so far
06:12 AM XXCoder: is there better words than "3d taster"
06:12 AM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32881551158.html cheap one lol
06:17 AM SpeedEvil: It's made from precision ground.
06:30 AM Loetmichel: *HATZIEH!!!111* [grab a paper towel] *TOOOOOT* maan there is still way to much pertinax dust in the workshop... tickles in the nose ;)
06:33 AM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: compared to untended wild, yard is precision ground. ;)]
06:33 AM SpeedEvil: :)
06:33 AM SpeedEvil: Sort-of-related - parents used to have a rock shop. They'd occasionally get a dude from a local crystal manufacturer.
06:34 AM SpeedEvil: All synthetic now of course.
06:34 AM SpeedEvil: (as in oscillators)
06:34 AM Loetmichel: phone just ringed: coworker on the line: "GESUNDHEIT! I heard you sneezing thru the concrete ceiling. i am up in the office!" ;)
06:34 AM XXCoder: lol
06:48 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
07:34 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
07:51 AM Loetmichel: *giggle* just tried to drink from the 2 liters ice tea tetrapack. "why is there no liquid? empty already? just bought it this morning?" $me looks down* "oh. Works better if one removes the pull-out-seal under the screw-on-cap..." :)
07:52 AM JavaBean: meh, i hate when they do that
08:08 AM unterhaus_: I wonder if anyone is still using those renishaw probes people got off of ebay a few years ago
08:56 AM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
09:06 AM rmu|w: Loetmichel will be reported to the Gesellschaft zur Stärkung der Verben. the phone RANG! :-)
09:07 AM Loetmichel: rmu|w: PEDANT!"
09:26 AM jymmmm: Good morning
09:26 AM gregcnc: damn another blown psu
09:27 AM gregcnc: i hope it didn't take out the control in the mill
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10:24 AM jymmmm: gregcnc: not a fuse?
10:24 AM jymmmm: gregcnc: And you said "another", are you using undersized PS's by chance?
10:26 AM gregcnc: eh 20yo psu..whatever they put in the PC. just seems like I'm always dealing with them in one PC or another
10:28 AM gregcnc: it did pop the breaker in the machine and the fuse within the PSU is blown. I know nothing about the PC that runs the machine some odd chaintech MB
10:29 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: baby At or ATX?
10:29 AM gregcnc: flex
10:29 AM Loetmichel: the PSU
10:30 AM Loetmichel: i menat the psu connectors.
10:30 AM gregcnc: flex atx
10:30 AM Loetmichel: two 1 row flat connectors or one 20/24 pin dual row
10:30 AM Loetmichel: ah, flex atx
10:30 AM Loetmichel: that isnt so old though
10:30 AM Loetmichel: should be able to run with any modern PSI
10:30 AM Loetmichel: PSU
10:31 AM Loetmichel: have the same form factor in my CNC mill PC at home
10:31 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12247
10:31 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12250
10:31 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12265
10:31 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
10:31 AM Loetmichel: :-)
10:31 AM gregcnc: this one is a weird one with the fan on top
10:32 AM jymmmm: That's "normal" these days
10:32 AM gregcnc: https://www.ebay.com/itm/302632078691
10:32 AM Loetmichel: yeah, pretty normal
10:33 AM Loetmichel: should work with any classic PC ATX PSU though, thats what i meant
10:33 AM gregcnc: i bought anothe like it, due to fan location and lack of cutout inthe chassis
10:33 AM Loetmichel: i used an 1U server psu as you can see
10:33 AM gregcnc: but the air outlet is blocked anyhow.....
10:33 AM gregcnc: wtf
10:34 AM Loetmichel: i mean: to test if the mainboard survived
10:34 AM gregcnc: right
10:34 AM jymmmm: gregcnc: got pics?
10:35 AM gregcnc: of?
10:35 AM jymmmm: these blocked vents? is it in the case? the ps?
10:35 AM jymmmm: both?
10:36 AM gregcnc: the fan would be next to the AC socket, the chassis it's mounted to has only a cutout for the socket, not the vent
10:37 AM gregcnc: large cap in the PSU is bloated on the end
10:37 AM Loetmichel: primary cap or secondary cap?
10:38 AM gregcnc: biggest one in there, looks like soon after the rectifier
10:39 AM Loetmichel: so primary.
10:39 AM Loetmichel: if you are lucky that shorted out and the PSU shut down blowing the fuse
10:40 AM Loetmichel: so no secondary spikes-> board still lives
10:40 AM gregcnc: seems like there is a short on the rectifier output
10:41 AM Loetmichel: tahts either the cap itself or the rectifier diodes molten because of the cap shorting
10:41 AM Loetmichel: or both
10:41 AM Tom_L: change both and be down the road
10:42 AM gregcnc: when i bought it the psu for the PC in the front panel was also dead, also flex atx
10:57 AM gregcnc: mobo lives
10:57 AM gregcnc: ebay PSU is already on the way
11:13 AM gregcnc: Emco run linux on the control PC with their own pci card to interface to the machine
11:14 AM gregcnc: comms to the gui pc via ethernet
11:28 AM Tom_L: i've got an issue with my MPG count. when i move it in the positive direction, hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.00.count follows it on every click, however when i move it in the negative direction it does not. it misses a few counts (seemingly random) but i can still hear the steppers moving in step with it
11:28 AM Tom_L: watching the axis readout as well as the actual encoder in halshow
11:29 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_SHOP_2.7/my_jog.hal
11:29 AM Tom_L: the MPG file
11:29 AM Tom_L: i also tried removing ilowpass with no effect
11:30 AM pcw_home: quadrature mode?
11:30 AM Tom_L: setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.encoder.00.counter-mode 1
11:30 AM Tom_L: i didn't look it up
11:30 AM Tom_L: yet.
11:31 AM pcw_home: thats up/down mode, it will not work reliably with quadrature
11:33 AM Tom_L: so change that to quad... will i need to adjust the scale too?
11:33 AM pcw_home: it will "sort-of' work when in constant motion but will fail on reversals
11:34 AM pcw_home: yes you would need to change the scale (and you will get 4 steps per detent)
11:35 AM Tom_L: i never noticed it on the sherline since it was such a crappy mill to start with
11:37 AM Tom_L: thanks. i'll go try it here in a bit
11:39 AM Tom_L: should i also set 'filter' to false?
11:39 AM Tom_L: or will that just introduce more noise
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11:49 AM pcw_home: leave the filter on
12:06 PM Tom_L: ok that makes a big difference :)
12:09 PM Tom_L: maybe i'll have a go at mapping the ballscrews next
12:12 PM Loetmichel: *meh* BMW "aus freude am fahren"... IF you can drive... just was out of the company an hour ago when i saw a NMW E46 convertible in the middle of the street. stopped, asked whats wrong: "suddenly died and didnt start again"... tried booster pack and direct link from MY bmw... nope. so i plugged my OBDII BT module into his car, checked for ECU errors: "unkown key"... maaan, that ECU forgot
12:12 PM Loetmichel: the key WHILE driving... nice one BMW!
12:19 PM Loetmichel: was funny though how his wife got bigger and bigger eyes after i consecutive pulled out a bosster pack, crossover cables, a multimeter AND the OBD plug out of my car... "anything you DONT have in that trunk?"
12:30 PM Tom_L: Loetmichel, but you _need_ all that to keep one going
12:31 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: sometimes yes
12:31 PM Loetmichel: ;)
12:54 PM CaptHindsight: hypocycloidal vs harmonic vs worm gears for a turntable
12:56 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/Eds48L4cJjM?t=388
12:57 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QidXf9pFYo
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/13J5zoSlP4E
12:58 PM jymmmm: 45 or 78?
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: 33.333 silly
12:59 PM jymmmm: gotcha
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01:10 PM gregcnc: i can't tell from the videos just how close that guy was to crashing a locomotive into the hospital ship
01:18 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: was ~800 feet
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: there is a video from ABC in LA that has an overhead view
01:27 PM roycroft: from what i've read, the guy did not expect to actually crash into the ship
01:27 PM roycroft: he derailed the train to bring public attention to the ship
01:28 PM roycroft: which he delusionally thought was part of some evil plot to infect people,
01:28 PM roycroft: early reports indicate that he's just a nutcase who cracked, and that this was done spontaneously - it was not part of some evil "plot"
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://www.ktvu.com/video/669686
01:37 PM gregcnc: made it 250ft from the end of the track
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: what next, a plane flying into a subway train?
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: 61F \o/
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02:34 PM miss0r: 'evening
02:43 PM JT-Shop: yo
02:45 PM XXCoder: heys
02:45 PM Jymmm: Rab: SpeedEvil It was a "Valley Faucet", found a repair kit for $6 at Ace Hardware, no leaks so far =) Would have been MUCH faster had I have a brush like this to clean off all the green corosion... https://www.amazon.com/Ram-Pro-Stainless-Steel-Impact-Driver/dp/B07B8WMY2Q
02:45 PM Jymmm: Hey JT-Shop, XXCoder
02:47 PM Rab: Jymmm, great!
02:59 PM jymmmm: Wait, Now, USA has twice as many as Italy????? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
02:59 PM XXCoder: yep
02:59 PM XXCoder: million cases world now
02:59 PM XXCoder: usa usa usa usa 1/4 of cases in world #1 #1 usa usa
03:02 PM jymmmm: I was just tyring to see the new case for today, cna't find that link
03:02 PM Tom_L: ok i've got my x & y map data
03:05 PM Tom_L: hope i did it right
03:13 PM SpeedEvil: jymmmm: yay
03:13 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
03:14 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: bet you that you could use that cheap one as 3d taster too. just need to wire it up somehpw
03:57 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
04:10 PM Deejay: gn8
04:14 PM jymmmm: Deejay: gn9
04:17 PM jymmmm: Damn, 1200 new cases in Calif as of Apri 1st
04:17 PM jymmmm: that cna't be right, could it?
04:17 PM XXCoder: million cases in world now
04:17 PM XXCoder: usa is more than twice second place italy
04:18 PM jymmmm: I'm looking at "Hi, where from in California?" here: https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/
04:18 PM jymmmm: bah, "New cases announced by day"
04:19 PM XXCoder: bit more current https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
04:24 PM jymmmm: XXCoder: I'd like to see California
04:38 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
04:59 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: what do you mean?
05:20 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
05:22 PM _unreal_: pcw_mesa, got the card thanks
06:01 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
06:44 PM _unreal_: who's live?
06:44 PM pink_vampire: me
06:44 PM _unreal_: looking for insight on options
06:44 PM JavaBean: i am dead inside, do i still count?
06:45 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
06:45 PM _unreal_: dont have to have a pulse to have a heart ;)
06:45 PM _unreal_: So I'm trying to pick out a spindle
06:45 PM _unreal_: motor
06:45 PM _unreal_: I'm looking at this https://www.amazon.com/MYSWEETY-Spindle-Cooled-Inverter-Collet/dp/B01MXLXRTY/ref=sr_1_22?dchild=1&keywords=cnc+spindle&qid=1585870790&sr=8-22
06:45 PM _unreal_: My cnc machine has a 4" opening
06:45 PM _unreal_: 4x4
06:46 PM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyzlFzVbbE this is so close to be a CNC router that locate itself using Aruco barcode markers.
06:46 PM _unreal_: I'll have to snap some upto date photos to give you guys a better idea
06:47 PM _unreal_: My setup is what is interesting
06:48 PM _unreal_: I'm using 2x2" square tube 1/4" thick walls
06:48 PM _unreal_: as my Z armature
06:49 PM _unreal_: I'm going to have 10" of plunge aprox
06:49 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to decide should I go with a 2.2kw or a smaller 1.5kw spindle?
06:49 PM _unreal_: ?
06:50 PM _unreal_: the square tube has dual liner rails mounted to it
06:50 PM _unreal_: and its going to have 4 cars mounted to it spaced out 10" apart
06:51 PM _unreal_: I'm not sure yet how much flexure I MIGHT expect?
06:51 PM Tom_L: if you're building a tank for a cnc you don't wanna power it with a VW engine ehh?
06:51 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I dont want to put a 350 in a rabit ether
06:51 PM Tom_L: rpm is gonna be about the same
06:51 PM _unreal_: brb going to snape a few updated photos and upload them
06:51 PM Tom_L: just more power
06:52 PM _unreal_: right but more power does me no good if I have to much flex right?
06:52 PM Tom_L: you got small rails though didn't you?
06:52 PM _unreal_: 15mm I believe
06:52 PM _unreal_: I can mount additional cars though
06:53 PM _unreal_: brb
06:53 PM Tom_L: mine flexes some but i expected that. my goal was 'better than a sherline'
06:53 PM Tom_L: and it surpassed that by alot
06:53 PM Tom_L: mine has 4 per axis on all 3 axis
06:54 PM Tom_L: 20mm rail iirc with 16mm ballscrews
07:00 PM _unreal_: wtf I cant seem to access my google drive
07:00 PM _unreal_: on my laptop
07:06 PM _unreal_: Well that was fucked up
07:06 PM _unreal_: my laptop just crashed so hard I had to pull the battery to get it to reboot
07:07 PM _unreal_: I have no idea what just happend
07:08 PM _unreal_: so where were we?
07:09 PM _unreal_: Oh ya TRYING to get to my google drive
07:09 PM SpeedEvil: The extensive conversation that you missed was:
07:09 PM SpeedEvil: <-- _unreal_ (~email@example.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
07:09 PM _unreal_: soo informative
07:10 PM _unreal_: SpeedEvil, you are a true friend
07:10 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mDA4lCbeNXVgdgA98WzJiXdKB_ht9YqR https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mRxXSnLYXtDGCx6IAuz6ccSXu8wB7n0y
07:10 PM _unreal_: Here are 2 photos of the most latest progress
07:11 PM _unreal_: The rails ARE mounted but not tight or aligned
07:11 PM _unreal_: The cars will be mounted to the BLUE steel plate
07:11 PM _unreal_: Its precision ground flat
07:13 PM Tom_L: which mesa card did you end up with?
07:13 PM _unreal_: I purchased the 7i92
07:14 PM _unreal_: I was going to go with the cheaper one but I wated the buffers
07:14 PM _unreal_: wanted
07:15 PM _unreal_: ?
07:15 PM Tom_L: ahh i got one of those
07:16 PM Tom_L: and the 7i80
07:16 PM _unreal_: So as I said I'm trying to figure out what spindle I should order
07:16 PM _unreal_: What size etc...
07:16 PM _unreal_: I dont know what kind of flex my machine has
07:16 PM _unreal_: its too heavy to pick up as is
07:16 PM _unreal_: and its sitting on a flexy table
07:16 PM _unreal_: so i cant really try forcing it :/
07:16 PM Tom_L: get the 1.5kw one
07:17 PM _unreal_: heh ya Thats what I'm kind of leanding tward
07:17 PM Tom_L: my sherline one is 600w
07:17 PM Tom_L: :)
07:17 PM Tom_L: if htat
07:18 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, in your opinion
07:19 PM _unreal_: how ridgid would you expect my design to be Z/X axis
07:19 PM _unreal_: looking at those two photos
07:19 PM _unreal_: ?
07:19 PM Tom_L: hard to say
07:20 PM Tom_L: it should do ok
07:20 PM _unreal_: ? from what I have found the 2.2 and the 1.5kw have the same body size
07:20 PM _unreal_: unless I'm mistaken
07:20 PM Tom_L: no idea
07:20 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/MYSWEETY-Spindle-Cooled-Inverter-Collet/dp/B01MXLXRTY/ref=sr_1_22?dchild=1&keywords=cnc+spindle&qid=1585870790&sr=8-22
07:20 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/MYSWEETY-Cooled-Spindle-Converter-Collet/dp/B01N1EJEQ1/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=1.5kw+spindle&qid=1585873038&sr=8-2
07:20 PM _unreal_: collet size difference only
07:21 PM _unreal_: er20/er11
07:21 PM _unreal_: oh 65mm never mind
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07:22 PM Tom_L: i can use up to 1/4" cutter on mine with no issues
07:23 PM _unreal_: cutter? you mean shank?
07:23 PM Tom_L: i did watercool the motor though
07:23 PM _unreal_: shaft?
07:23 PM Tom_L: endmill
07:23 PM Tom_L: i can fit a 1/2" in a holder
07:23 PM Tom_L: but i don't
07:24 PM Tom_L: maybe 5/8... i forget what that large threadmill shank is
07:24 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/Thread_mill3.jpg
07:27 PM Tom_L: yeah it's a 5/8" shank
07:28 PM _unreal_: interesting
07:28 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/Mill_holder1.jpg
07:29 PM Tom_L: cutting some 3/4 threads there
07:29 PM Tom_L: i tried rigid tapping at first but the spindle is too small
07:29 PM Tom_L: that's why if i get a spindle i want torque instead of speed
07:30 PM _unreal_: I dont think I'm going to have the rigidity so i need speed
07:31 PM Tom_L: mine is all 2" thickwall square tube except the Z column and it's 4" thickwall
07:31 PM Tom_L: mine was a scrapyard project
07:31 PM _unreal_: I forget wha er11 is
07:32 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, ?
07:32 PM _unreal_: 2" 4" THICK WALL
07:32 PM Tom_L: 6mm i think
07:32 PM _unreal_: ?
07:32 PM Tom_L: maybe 8
07:32 PM _unreal_: so thats like 5/16th
07:33 PM Tom_L: about
07:33 PM _unreal_: aluminum square tube?
07:33 PM Tom_L: steel
07:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Base3.jpg
07:34 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Welding/Frame_Weld1.jpg
07:36 PM _unreal_: mine is aluminum
07:36 PM Tom_L: right
07:48 PM Tom_L: ER11 is .5mm to 7mm clamping range
07:48 PM Tom_L: https://littlemachineshop.com/info/er_collet_sizes.php
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09:17 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnzuMJLZRdU
09:17 PM flyback: B
09:17 PM flyback: m
09:17 PM flyback: c
09:17 PM flyback: c
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09:45 PM genoober: hello all. hows everybody doing tonight?
09:46 PM genoober: does anybody have experience setting up a whb04b mpg? or a place with a clear how to? ive been banging my head against the wall on and off for months
10:00 PM genoober: 2.9.0is the version of linuxcnc im using
10:00 PM Tom_L: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
10:00 PM Tom_L: maybe
10:01 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/35913-xhc-whb04b-6-linuxcnc-not-working
10:01 PM genoober: thats for versions of linux cnc 2.6.0 and older it also seems that the model is much different
10:02 PM Tom_L: another thread on the issue
10:03 PM Tom_L: maybe the interface is similar though
10:04 PM genoober: i also compiled 2.9.0 and have searched the directories and there doesnt seem to be a driver anywhere for the whb04b
10:05 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/xhc-hb04.1.html
10:05 PM Tom_L: maybe that could be modified
10:07 PM Tom_L: Lcvette, what is your pendant?
10:07 PM Tom_L: (he's got a wireless one)
10:07 PM genoober: it has been it seems and when i try and make changes compiling always fails. im not a programmer i dont know how to fix these issues.
10:07 PM genoober: its actually not wireless its usb
10:07 PM Tom_L: just saying i know his is
10:08 PM genoober: 6ft cable lol but for some reason same model # as the wireless
10:19 PM genoober: lsusb does return vendor id so i know linux sees the device
10:24 PM Tom_L: you could try loading that comp and see what happens
10:24 PM genoober: loading the comp?
10:24 PM Tom_L: it looked like it had somewhat of a diagnostic to return keypress codes
10:25 PM genoober: i swear the older i get the dumber i realize i am
10:27 PM Tom_L: it's got a rather lengthy page of description & options
10:29 PM genoober: i swear im not trying to be obtuse but which page
10:30 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man1/xhc-hb04.1.html
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10:33 PM genoober: when i try and run the xhb04 tool in the /bin dir i get a bunch of creating pin lines then it stalls "xhc-hb04: waiting for XHC-HB04 device"
10:36 PM Tom_L: if you can find a way to log it maybe you will see it came to an unmapped button or something
10:36 PM Tom_L: i've never used that comp so i don't know
10:40 PM genoober: thanx anyways... i do appreciate your time. im just so frustrated and dumped a few grand in to this project... and im about to the point if taking to the shooting range for target practice
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: did work shut down for you?
10:42 PM CaptHindsight: well for the virus
10:47 PM Tom_L: i've been mostly off since i returned early from vacation ~16th
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: genoober: how far do you get with trying to get it working? LSUSB finds it?
10:49 PM genoober: yup it does
10:49 PM Tom_L: there are ppl here that can help. don't shoot it just yet
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: does the wireless version use a USB dongle?
10:50 PM Tom_L: Lcvette has a wireless pendant but i'm not sure which one
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: i wonder if it's the USB ID for wired and wireless so it doesn't matter which one you have
10:50 PM Tom_L: his does work though
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: same USB ID's
10:50 PM genoober: i dunno ive been itching to test my 357 rifle im building. its almost done
10:50 PM genoober: LOL
10:51 PM genoober: "ID 10ce:eb93 Silicon Labs" same as other whb04's not the same as hb04's
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: genoober: have you posted your Hal and .ini files?
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: to a pastebin
10:52 PM genoober: changed udev rules
10:52 PM CaptHindsight: not directly to IRC
10:52 PM genoober: no i havent. how/where?
10:52 PM Tom_L: paste.ubuntu.com?
10:52 PM Tom_L: paste.debian.com?
10:52 PM Tom_L: iirc
10:53 PM CaptHindsight: the debian link is broken
10:53 PM Tom_L: the debian one is .net not .com sry
10:53 PM genoober: which hal and which ini?
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: the one for your current machines config
10:54 PM CaptHindsight: what do you launch in LinuxCNC to run the machine?
10:55 PM genoober: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5v76d9j6Gk/
10:55 PM Choscura: ok I are back
10:56 PM Choscura: so TLDR anybody reading this, tomorrow I'm gonna be streaming worknig on a CNC 3d printer workbench thing
10:56 PM Choscura: I will probably be asking yous guys for help at some point
10:56 PM genoober: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JBpQ3kwZP6/
10:56 PM Choscura: https://discord.gg/hh4Jc3 is where I'll also be hanging out
10:57 PM Choscura: there's a facebook.com/dadpodiot thing that will also be streaming
10:57 PM Choscura: not sure about twitch/probably not
10:57 PM genoober: i use the rip script to launch linuxcnc
10:58 PM Choscura: that's good to know, but I'm probably not gonna be there tomorrow. Getting a rail set up with a cross slide and then a z-axis on the cross slide if I get all I plan on done.
10:58 PM Tom_L: genoober, you haven't run on hardware yet?
10:58 PM Choscura: I'm turning my workbench into a 3d printer :D
10:59 PM Choscura: also I have a fun idea that I'll be following up on, tldr cheapest way to replicate a granite surface plate is in concrete, so the idea is basically make a cheaper sheet-steel enclosure, put it upside down, cast a bed into it and fill up the cavities with concrete,and have a very vibration-stable high-mass 3d printer/cnc machine
11:00 PM Choscura: obviously not on the portable side of things but it has its applications
11:00 PM genoober: ive got the mill working xyz using the mouse to jog and feed so that works correctly. took me almost 2 days to work a 80 percent lower LOL
11:00 PM Choscura: I mean at that rate you can make a lower every 10 days amirite
11:00 PM CaptHindsight: genoober: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/34486-help-with-xhc-hb04-wireless-pendant-needed you can see a ini file there with the pendant
11:00 PM genoober: i can run a manual mill 100 times faster
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/22650/Mill.ini
11:01 PM Choscura: but the manual mill can't run itself 100 times faster
11:01 PM veegee: I bought a 15 HP baldor motor for $300
11:01 PM veegee: I love kijiji
11:01 PM Choscura: what
11:01 PM CaptHindsight: genoober: it has a [XHC_HB04_CONFIG] and [XHC_HB04_BUTTONS] section
11:01 PM Choscura: kijiji?
11:01 PM veegee: classifieds
11:01 PM Choscura: googling
11:02 PM veegee: it's craigslist for canada made by ebay
11:02 PM genoober: its not an hb04
11:02 PM Choscura: oh I thought it was for real countries :(
11:02 PM veegee: I mean craigslist is fine too, but everyone here uses kijiji
11:02 PM Choscura: (gotcha, lol)
11:02 PM veegee: lol!
11:02 PM veegee: you beat the puntcunt guy
11:02 PM Choscura: yeah don't live in canuckistan but it looks neat
11:03 PM veegee: where is he
11:03 PM veegee: he usually shows up with one of these kinds of comments when I mention anything that has to do with canada
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: genoober: yes, but setting it up will be similar
11:03 PM Choscura: I mean, I'll punt the right cunt if I hit a lined-up shunt
11:04 PM Choscura: but I'm not a cunt-punt hunting cunt if it comes to that
11:04 PM veegee: Also most of the motors here are 600V
11:04 PM veegee: Our three phase system is 600V
11:04 PM Choscura: you guys use 3 phase tho too right?
11:04 PM Choscura: yeah
11:04 PM veegee: Then you get 240/120 split phase to residential
11:04 PM genoober: shouldnt i need a driver working first? when i run the hb04 tool in /bin/xhc-hb04 i get no response
11:05 PM veegee: Just a bit of a nuisance. Well just until I bought a 50kVA 240-600 three phase autotransformer for $200
11:05 PM veegee: now I just stick that on the output of the VFD and everything works great
11:05 PM Choscura: holy shit
11:06 PM veegee: Yeah it's big and very very heavy
11:06 PM Choscura: see I'm picturing big ol detroit deisel power stations with this shit
11:06 PM veegee: well it's not _that_ big
11:06 PM Choscura: the ones they put out in farmland in upstate michigan? I bet it's on par with that
11:06 PM veegee: about 50 x 50 x 50cm cube approximately
11:06 PM Choscura: yeah
11:07 PM Choscura: about what you'd need to run a whole machine shop
11:07 PM CaptHindsight: genoober: what is the full part number for your pendant?
11:07 PM Choscura: or at least a decent array of machines in at the same time
11:07 PM veegee: I'm seeing like 200, 300, 500 kVA transformers in Toronto for great prices
11:07 PM Tom_L: genoober, aparently linux sees it... you ran lsusb and saw the device
11:07 PM veegee: too tempting but not necessary for me
11:07 PM genoober: whb04b-4
11:07 PM veegee: The thing is, my VFDs are all 240V
11:07 PM Choscura: standard there innit
11:07 PM veegee: can't find chinese sum ting wong VFDs in 600V
11:07 PM Choscura: hang on, is it 220 or 240 that's standard?
11:07 PM veegee: same thing
11:08 PM Choscura: hmm
11:08 PM genoober: linux does yes but not the test tool in the ~/linuxcnc/bin directory
11:08 PM veegee: same with 550-600V, same % difference between lower and upper voltage
11:08 PM veegee: the nameplate shows "575V"
11:09 PM Choscura: the chinese whatever-the-fucks, I've seen an interesting bit of the history there of shit done in laos and thailand, especially knockoff versions of proper apple products that were more or less identical just made off label
11:09 PM Choscura: like, ran the apple software and everything
11:09 PM veegee: yeah no reason you can't
11:09 PM Choscura: connected to the app store but didn't have proper IMEI numbers type stuff
11:09 PM veegee: it's just an x86 chip
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/24-hal-components/31711-is-there-driver-for-the-new-xhc-whb04b-4?start=20
11:09 PM Choscura: yeah, especially back in the day, this was starting around 2011 I saw a lot of this
11:10 PM Tom_L: genoober, https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/35752-support-for-whb04b-4-6-on-linuxcnc
11:10 PM Choscura: I gotta go sleep or I'll be a lizard tomorrow
11:11 PM veegee: having a 2 ton engine crane (also bought from someone on kijiji for like $150) is awesome
11:11 PM Choscura: y'all keepi kickng all the asses
11:11 PM veegee: I've used it for everything
11:11 PM veegee: I don't know what I'd do without it. Everything in my storage unit is too heavy for one or two people to lift
11:15 PM Tom_L: genoober, https://forum.linuxcnc.org/24-hal-components/36194-xhc-whb04-4-python-component
11:16 PM genoober: ive never seen that python component i will looking deeper :D
11:17 PM Tom_L: http://forum.planet-cnc.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1125
11:17 PM Tom_L: might be of some help
11:18 PM genoober: im still copy pasting the ini and hal into mine from that link CaptHindsight sent me
11:18 PM Tom_L: just posting what i find on it...
11:18 PM Tom_L: good luck
11:20 PM genoober: i do appreciate it... ive got more new angles to track down on this tonight than ive had in a month
11:20 PM Tom_L: lookin in all the wrong places :D
11:23 PM _unreal_: really pissed off
11:23 PM _unreal_: passed out again
11:23 PM _unreal_: whole night gone
11:23 PM _unreal_: and all I did was sit down
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11:24 PM genoober: failed to make some required connections signal <pendant:probe-z> pin motion.probe-input was already linked to signal probe in
11:24 PM Tom_L: good you were sitting when you passed out.. could have been devistating
11:25 PM Tom_L: genoober, that pin is already in your config somewhere else
11:26 PM Tom_L: (motion.probe-input)
11:26 PM genoober: indeed LOL i need beer BRB
11:27 PM genoober: AAHAHhhhhh Corona :) the beer not the virus
11:27 PM Tom_L: isn't that where it originated?
11:28 PM genoober: yup... try and find a tick... corona and lime are made for eachother
11:28 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, gettin cold up ther?
11:29 PM Tom_L: 35°F currently
11:30 PM Tom_L: was probably 70ish earlier
11:30 PM genoober: jeez its colder than that im my garage :P 28
11:32 PM Tom_L: ok. i'm out...
11:33 PM genoober: thank you tom_l
11:34 PM genoober: no errors and linux cnc seems to start. no pendant action