#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 25 2020
#linuxcnc Calendar
03:06 AM Loetmichel: *yaaaaawn*
03:11 AM Loetmichel: more matches to hold the eyelids open please!
03:11 AM Loetmichel: <- at owrk, no corona-holidays
03:15 AM Loetmichel: work
03:17 AM Loetmichel: *gnhihi* coworker just came by: "who made this coffee? there will be no corona virus in it... MAAAN thats a stiff brew!" $me:"i did. its my normal coffe: fill the filter to the brim with ground beans, put half a pot of water into the machine!"
04:08 AM XXCoder: Loetmichel: in least its not cup of covete
04:22 AM rmu|w: cup of covfefe?
04:22 AM Loetmichel: maaan am i clumsy sometimes. just helped a coworker with something, caught my finger on his sheet metal toolbox. Result: about 10mm by 3mm of skin shaved off... bleeding AGAIN :-( *bandaid* *cursing*
04:29 AM XXCoder: so if someone wanted a blood sample from you by sleath, they would need to just wait a day or 2? ;)
04:31 AM Loetmichel: more like a few hours
04:31 AM XXCoder: lol
04:31 AM Deejay: moin
04:33 AM XXCoder: hey
05:12 AM jthornton: morning
05:12 AM XXCoder: hey
05:18 AM Loetmichel: *snicker* I just showed the coworker how to manally fold the front lids of our PCs... 1.5mm alu, 19" wide... he just came to my desk: "it doesent move, what i am doing wrong?"... showed him again... He tries again: no movement... $me:"need to eat a few more black bread sandwiches, do you?" :-)
05:19 AM XXCoder: black bread sandinches?
05:19 AM XXCoder: *sandwinches
05:19 AM Loetmichel: Pumpernickel sandwiches, to gain a few more muscles
05:21 AM jthornton: is pumpernickel that hard to eat you build muscles trying
05:21 AM XXCoder: but I dont want big jaw muscles!
05:27 AM Loetmichel: jthornton: its pretty high at protein
05:27 AM Loetmichel: german saying. "iss' mehr schwarzbot, dann klappt das"
05:28 AM Loetmichel: *heavy breathing* ... and another 1000eur worth of sheet alu at the company... maaan, my endurance war better a few decades ago... carrying in a few dozen sheets of AL isnt as easy as it once was ;)
05:28 AM Loetmichel: s7war/was
06:05 AM p0g0: Loetmichel, I am curious, just how much of that coffee do you drink daily, and is it one of the high caffeine ones (Columbian, etc). People generally dislike the brew I make, but from the sounds of it, you have raised the bar.
06:07 AM Loetmichel: p0g0: about a full pot, why?
06:07 AM Loetmichel: and its indeed a 4/5 stars bean
06:07 AM Loetmichel: pure arabica beans
06:07 AM Loetmichel: 5 stars meaning "espresso", 1 star meaning "decaf"
06:08 AM p0g0: Hmm, no reason in particular. I take some grief for how much coffee I drink in the morning, it's just a peerage thing.
06:09 AM p0g0: Now, I did give away my espresso gear after it became a bit too obvious that I was getting a bit crazed.
06:10 AM p0g0: But, I have, *cough*, matured since then...
06:15 AM * Loetmichel tends to make "cowboy" coffee
06:15 AM Loetmichel: put a horseshoe in: if it doesent melt its to cold, if it sings its not strong enough ;)
06:15 AM Loetmichel: sinks
06:17 AM p0g0: If my coffee sings to me, I'll likely not drink it, I admit. No eggshells (albumin makes the grounds settle)?
06:18 AM p0g0: Cowboy coffee here in the Olde West was boiled with the grounds- no drip or filters for the Stetson crowd.
06:19 AM p0g0: Hence the eggshells.
06:19 AM Loetmichel: i see
06:20 AM p0g0: Wretched coffee, for a fact.
06:21 AM Loetmichel: coffee that sat to long with the grounds in the soup tends to get a bit bitter though
06:21 AM p0g0: But caffeine is pretty heat stable. The tannins just get to come along a lot more with the prolonged boiling. Yeah, that's Tannic Acid leaching.
06:22 AM Loetmichel: indeed
06:24 AM unterhaus: hexchat just locked up my win10 widgets like the speaker volume, that's an impressive feat
07:32 AM * Loetmichel is sitting here with tears of laughing in the eyes. THATS a good instruction how to wash hands: https://www.isnichwahr.de/i309277-klar-und-eindeutig-erklaert.html
08:32 AM gregcnc: everyone staying safe? https://nowucka.com/2020/03/06/australian-toilet-paper-fort/
08:35 AM JT-Shop: Loetmichel, what does that translate to in English?
08:36 AM gregcnc: ~ wash your hands like you just cut jalapenos and your about to masterbate
08:37 AM JT-Shop: lol
08:40 AM unterhaus: it doesn't seem like the toilet paper hoarders are going to try to sell. Must be nice to have that much extra storage space
08:41 AM sensille: below the kitchen table?
09:12 AM p0g0: I have to wonder what they are all going to do when the TP industry crashes, when all that stored up paper keeps them from buying any and the debt load takes down the Weyerhaeuser timber company. The newspapers here are anticipating that the US Postal Service will be bankrupt in some months, which sounds insane to me.
09:14 AM p0g0: I bet the bankruptcy lawyers are going to get busy soon too.
09:14 AM sync: p0g0: the interesting thing is toilet paper is pretty crisis proof
09:14 AM sync: and demand is virtually constant
09:15 AM sync: and due to the large amount of air in it there are factories all over because shipping it is not profitable
09:18 AM p0g0: It's just Pinus radiata, but they can leave the tree standing and wait for demand again. They supply choices were made some 20 years back, that being a typical growth span for the pine tree.
09:18 AM p0g0: *the
09:20 AM p0g0: And I think the point here is that demand, suddenly, is not constant.
09:20 AM p0g0: the Tp companies got an infusion of cash just now, but they, I expect, will at some point see less demand.
09:32 AM Tom_L: when it's all over the HS kids can just use the leftover to TP their HS
09:34 AM SpeedEvil: Or make moonshine.
09:34 AM SpeedEvil: Just add cellulase.
09:39 AM p0g0: Or a methane generator, if it is used...
09:40 AM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: what gregcnc said. also: its made by a hospital. so "official guilde to washing hands" :-)
09:40 AM sensille: Loetmichel: attributed to "die partei"
09:41 AM sensille: unfortunately not 'official'
09:41 AM Loetmichel: sensille: hmm?
09:42 AM sensille: it's a fake, the university says
09:42 AM Loetmichel: ah!
09:42 AM Loetmichel: damn, you take the fun out of everything
09:42 AM Loetmichel: thought that to he hillarious
09:42 AM Loetmichel: be
09:42 AM sensille: yeah, that's me. no fun at all
09:44 AM Loetmichel: and to be honest: knowing some german nurses (my mother was one) it is totally probable that that was made by some hospital staff.
09:46 AM p0g0: I'll guess that nurses have had folks show up for treatment that failed to wash after cutting up peppers.
09:46 AM Loetmichel: probably:-)
09:48 AM Loetmichel: point is that its good advice to get virii off the hands. wash them as well as you would if you had jalapeno juice on them.
09:48 AM skunkworks: or poison ivy
09:48 AM Loetmichel: would probably be the right way to describe it for many lazy kids :-)
09:49 AM Loetmichel: skunkworks: most have never experienced poison ivvy on the hands here.
09:49 AM Loetmichel: jalapenos is pretty common though, and so is the effect if you touch any thin skin parts afterwards
09:50 AM Loetmichel: (eyes are great in that regard, been there done that. ONCE)
09:50 AM skunkworks: Loetmichel: well - you don't know you really have it - but it is like trying to get rid of axle grease from you hands..
09:50 AM skunkworks: but you can't see it.
09:52 AM p0g0: ahh, axle grease: "Invisible Glove", from Blue Magic, inc, Cleveland OH... that stuff is really good for oil, grease, paint, etc- you end up with no contamination at all when you apply it before mechanicing.
10:57 AM roycroft: does anyone have experience with vinyl gloves around solvents?
10:57 AM roycroft: i'm running low on nitrile gloves, and none are to be had anywhere
10:57 AM roycroft: even if they were, i would not want to buy them right now - 100% of them should go to health care workers
10:57 AM Tom_L: i used to use some green ones but i'm not sure what they were
10:57 AM roycroft: but i can get 5 mil vinyl gloves
10:58 AM Tom_L: not nitril
10:58 AM roycroft: i'm concerned that they won't hold up to acetone/mek/etc. for more than seconds
10:58 AM roycroft: i should get some anyway - i use gloves for more than handling solvents
10:59 AM roycroft: if the vinyl ones don't work well with solvents i can use them for other things and save the nitrile gloves for tasks that require them
11:00 AM roycroft: i wear gloves when doing glue-ups and applying dyes and varnishes when woodworking, for example
11:00 AM roycroft: vinyl gloves would probably work fine for that stuff
11:01 AM Tom_L: http://protective.ansell.com/en/Products/Trellchem/Gloves1/Ansell-Scorpio-08-354/
11:01 AM Tom_L: neoprene
11:01 AM Rab: roycroft, no personal experience, but I can't let that stop me from commenting: https://tsmfg.com/sites/default/files/vinylchemresist_techdata.pdf
11:01 AM Rab: Doesn't look encouraging re: acetone.
11:02 AM Tom_L: i used those for strippers
11:02 AM jthornton: I thought dollar bills work the best for strippers
11:03 AM Tom_L: times are tough
11:06 AM gregcnc: https://mashviral.com/new-oregon-food-delivery-service-sends-stripers-to-your-home-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic/
11:08 AM roycroft: rab: i've never done any formal testing, but my sense is that vinyl will melt almost instantly in the presence of many common solvents
11:09 AM Rab: roycroft, I've found that to be so, but I'm not sure about the exact composition of vinyl gloves.
11:11 AM roycroft: well i'm down to a couple boxes of the thinner (3 mil and 5 mil) nitrile gloves, and a few boxes of thicker ones
11:11 AM roycroft: i'm anticipating it may be months before nitrile gloves are readily available again
11:11 AM roycroft: i'm already reusing them more than i am accustomed to doing, which is probably a good habit to be in anyway
11:12 AM roycroft: so maybe getting some vinyl gloves for use in messy but non-harsh tasks would be another good way of stretching the resource
11:13 AM Rab: I have these for cleaning out my sewer pipe, and the label alleges "Poor" resistance to acetone and MEK.
11:13 AM Rab: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Grease-Monkey-PVC-Coated-Cleaning-Gloves-Large-X-Large-24203-08/202759384
11:15 AM roycroft: so vinyl gloves seem ok for ethanol, but only for seconds
11:15 AM roycroft: i use ethanol a lot
11:16 AM Rab: For nitrile gloves, I usually turn them inside out and store for next time. Sometimes washing my gloved hands with soap and water, first. But I'm usually doing relatively clean tasks like cleaning electronics, not handling grease or stuff that dries like varnish.
11:16 AM roycroft: 3 mil nitrile gloves are not very reusable
11:16 AM roycroft: they tear too easily when removing them or putting them on for a second time
11:17 AM roycroft: 5 mil hold up a lot better to repeat use
11:17 AM roycroft: i use 3 mil when i'm doing things where reusing would not make sense anyway - handling greasy car parts, etc.
11:17 AM roycroft: i'd have to use a bunch of solvent just to clean them well enough to reuse, and that doesn't make sense
11:17 AM gregcnc: hah, i often reuse them too roll them off and blow them back inside out. i thought i was the only one that weird
11:18 AM Rab: The ones I use are 5 mil, but they typically fail through tearing rather than degradation.
11:18 AM * Loetmichel nearly never wears gloces, although we have both latex glocves and those "butler" cotton gloves here.
11:18 AM roycroft: but if i'm using 7 mil or 10 mil nitrile gloves when doing messy stuff like that, cleaning with solvent and then reusing does make sense
11:18 AM gregcnc: i bought a case a few years ago
11:18 AM roycroft: rab: same here, but 5 mill don't stand up to acetone for very long
11:18 AM Loetmichel: not even when handling alu sheets that were cut on metal shears... i think i simply have enough callus(SP?) on my hands ;)
11:18 AM Tom_L: Loetmichel doesn't care about slicing his hands off either
11:19 AM roycroft: they last quite a while with mineral spirts/ethanol/lacquer thinner
11:19 AM Tom_L: or grinding.. whatever the case might be
11:19 AM roycroft: but only a few minutes with acetone
11:19 AM Loetmichel: nah, not that often that i hurt myself in a way taht wouldnt have been preventable with wearing gloves
11:19 AM roycroft: i would recommend wearing gloves when doing anything that might abrade or cut one's hands right now
11:20 AM roycroft: it doesn't do any good to wash your hands after being out in public if you have open wounds on your hands
11:20 AM roycroft: the virus will enter your body before you can get home to wash your hands
11:20 AM roycroft: so please take extra care during this pandemic
11:21 AM Rab: Man I can't do a damn thing until my McMaster-Carr order arrives, and my wife expects me to be working while she watches our son...what I can do
11:21 AM Loetmichel: roycroft: thats what sterile bandaids are for
11:21 AM roycroft: even minor nicks/abrasions are dangerous at the mment
11:21 AM Loetmichel: replace after washing hands of course
11:22 AM roycroft: and btw, your earlier link
11:22 AM roycroft: best
11:22 AM roycroft: hand
11:22 AM roycroft: washing
11:22 AM roycroft: sign
11:22 AM roycroft: ever
11:23 AM gregcnc: next time you're at the deli counter or restaurant pay attention to how people use gloves, even with supposed training
11:23 AM roycroft: i already do, gregcnc
11:24 AM gregcnc: so you watch them pick stuff off the floor or wipe on their clothing, use teh cash register. etc.
11:25 AM roycroft: i tell them to wash their hands and put on new gloves when they do something like that
11:25 AM roycroft: they're usually taken aback that i would challenge them, but don't usually push back
11:25 AM Loetmichel: roycroft: indeed, thought it to be hillarious, especailly because it seems to have come from a hospital. sensille said its a fake though
11:25 AM roycroft: when they do i ask to speak to their manager
11:25 AM roycroft: it's probably fake, loetmichel
11:25 AM Tom_L: gregcnc, the big one is handling food and money at the same time
11:25 AM gregcnc: unfortunate they don't understand even though they have been trained
11:26 AM roycroft: but contrary to popular belief germans are not devoid of a sense of humor
11:26 AM roycroft: they just have a kind of warped sense of humor
11:26 AM roycroft: so i call it fake but plausible
11:26 AM roycroft: tom_l: yes, that's what i see about 80% of the time
11:26 AM Loetmichel: indeed
11:26 AM gregcnc: gloves are for show in most cases
11:27 AM roycroft: and i've even been told by some that the cash register is sanitized
11:27 AM Tom_L: keeps the FDA happy
11:27 AM roycroft: i always agree that it might be
11:27 AM roycroft: but the money is not
11:27 AM Loetmichel: i also thaought it plausible, especailly because my mother and her friends were nurses... the stories i have heard as a child
11:27 AM Loetmichel: ... maybe thats why i am pretty careless with my body ;)
11:28 AM roycroft: i'm not a germophobe by any means
11:28 AM roycroft: but i've alwasy thought of myself as one who takes prudent measures
11:28 AM Loetmichel: btw: silver based change is pretty "clean" germ wise.
11:28 AM roycroft: and right now i'm being especially cautious
11:28 AM Tom_L: roycroft, i went to get some keys cut (professional shop) and was kidding with the guy about the virus. he assured me that his register UV light comes on to sanitize the money when it's closed
11:28 AM gregcnc: silver coins? it's 2020
11:29 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: euros are still made of abut 30% slver IIRC
11:29 AM Loetmichel: silver
11:29 AM roycroft: especially since i'm in a high risk category
11:29 AM roycroft: i don't think so
11:29 AM Tom_L: old and cranky or just cranky?
11:29 AM roycroft: i am over 60
11:29 AM roycroft: but the big thing is that i had pneumonia a few years ago and have some permanent lung scarring from it
11:30 AM roycroft: that raises me up to a really high risk level
11:30 AM Tom_L: you shouldn't even be on here!!!
11:30 AM Loetmichel: ah, i stand corrected: euros are made fom nickel and brass. the copper in the brass is the germ killer
11:30 AM roycroft: and i am correct
11:30 AM Loetmichel: just remembered that euro coins have germicidal properties
11:31 AM roycroft: there is no silver in euro coins, other than mint specimens
11:31 AM roycroft: i'm pretty sure no current coinage anywhere in the world that's minted for general circulation contains any precious metals
11:32 AM Tom_L: copper seems pretty precious do the druggies
11:32 AM roycroft: our pennies have not been made of copper since 1982
11:32 AM roycroft: they're copper plated zinc
11:32 AM Tom_L: right
11:33 AM roycroft: a penny-size piece of copper is worth about 3 cents right now, iirc
11:33 AM gregcnc: maybe last year
11:36 AM Loetmichel: roycroft: according to the EZB euro coins are made of a copper nickel alloy for the "silver" parts and copper zinc alloy (brass) for the golden parts
11:36 AM Loetmichel: so all parts of an euro coin are germicidal
11:37 AM Loetmichel: in germany the "pfennige" and now the euro cents are made from steel with a copper coating
11:37 AM Loetmichel: still germicidal, the core is of no interest for the surface properties ;)
11:39 AM Loetmichel: point is that all coins have germicidal properties, to my knowledge they even have some paints on the paper money that are germicidal
11:39 AM Loetmichel: the "dirty money" is a, UL, at least for euro countries
11:39 AM Loetmichel: an
11:39 AM Loetmichel: that was the point
11:40 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: why to the druggies especially?
11:41 AM FinboySlick: Easy to steal, easy to sell?
11:41 AM Loetmichel: ah, you mean for getting money
11:41 AM Loetmichel: i see
11:42 AM Loetmichel: but thats not confined to druggies
11:42 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: Gold isn't antibacterial.
11:42 AM Loetmichel: here in europe most metal theives are eastern europe gangs that usually dont take any druggie in their ranks
11:42 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: there is no gold in euro coins either
11:42 AM SpeedEvil: I know.
11:42 AM Loetmichel: gold coulered aka brass
11:43 AM Loetmichel: coloured
11:43 AM SpeedEvil: I happened to be looking at a listing for gold coins.
11:43 AM SpeedEvil: As antique coins can have some interesting designs.
11:43 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: tahts not for general circulation though
11:43 AM SpeedEvil: Well, it was.
11:43 AM SpeedEvil: Back in the day
11:43 AM Loetmichel: define "back in the day"
11:44 AM sensille: Loetmichel: that ebay-compressor is indeed really living up to its 92dB
11:44 AM Loetmichel: sensille: tell me about it... mine seems to even top its 96db printed on the box ;)
11:44 AM SpeedEvil: sensille: labyrinth multi-layer cabinet can help lots
11:45 AM sensille: my poor neighbors. can reload it only once per month i guess
11:45 AM sensille: SpeedEvil: or buying the silent one for the same price
11:45 AM SpeedEvil: If it is the same price and CFM/...
11:45 AM sensille: (with half the CFM)
11:56 AM roycroft: "<roycroft> i'm pretty sure no current coinage anywhere in the world that's minted for general circulation contains any precious metals"
11:56 AM roycroft: i used two qualifiers in that statement - "current" and "general circulation"
11:57 AM roycroft: and to clarify, in case it's needed, by "current" i mean "currently minted" not "currently legal tender"
12:06 PM SpeedEvil: :)
12:10 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.gold.co.uk/silver-coins/egyptian-relic-series/silver-queen-nefertiti-5oz/ is neat.
12:11 PM methods_: can someone try adding something to a cart at zoro.com
12:11 PM methods_: i've tried a couple browsers and can't get teh cart to work just wondering if it's my computer or the actual site
12:12 PM methods_: ah nm it's just me tried another computer and works fine
12:27 PM roycroft: so much for that
12:27 PM roycroft: i was just on the harbor freight website, and they had 5 mil vinyl gloves in stock in medium, large, and x-large sizes
12:27 PM roycroft: so i added 4 boxes of large to my cart
12:27 PM roycroft: went to check out
12:27 PM roycroft: at payment time my cart was emptied
12:28 PM roycroft: and the website now says they have x-large only, and only in stores
12:28 PM roycroft: i'm pretty sure my local store doesn't have any
12:28 PM roycroft: and i'm not really wanting to drive over there to find out
12:29 PM * roycroft searches elsewhere
12:30 PM roycroft: i guess vinly are used in medicine too, so it's probably best that i not get them anyway
12:30 PM roycroft: i thought only latex and nitrile were used in the health care industry
12:31 PM methods_: i think they're using whatever they can get their hands on
12:32 PM roycroft: i know they're permitted to use non-approved ppe for now
01:35 PM gregcnc: loetmichel, found you a used bmw https://www.ebay.de/itm/BMW-740i-E38-NEUWAGEN/283822959564
01:37 PM Rab: roycroft, I received spam from Harbor Fright on Sunday stating that they were donating all their PPE (N95 masks, face shields, and 5/7 mil nitrile gloves) to ER hospitals.
01:37 PM Rab: I don't know if that extends to recalling in-store inventory, but I wouldn't count on any stock.
01:38 PM Rab: McMaster is here, have to decide on my decontamination protocol.
01:40 PM Loetmichel: gregcnc: no station wagon: no thanks ;)
01:42 PM gregcnc: I may try to find an e46 touring
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: how do you drive it around with that bubble over it?
01:43 PM Loetmichel: nah, to small. 5xxi touring or go home ;)
01:43 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: you dont. its an invest, not a daily driver
01:43 PM Loetmichel: look at the price. insane
01:44 PM CaptHindsight: Gefährt?
01:45 PM Loetmichel: od german for "vehicle"
01:45 PM Loetmichel: old
01:45 PM Loetmichel: why?
01:47 PM unterhaus: I like the car bubble
01:47 PM CaptHindsight: keeps the factory fresh odor in
01:48 PM unterhaus: yeah, it has airflow
01:49 PM unterhaus: interestingly not the large retailer amazon
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/13sAAOSwj3NedmSv/s-l1600.jpg
01:49 PM unterhaus: did they trailer it home from the dealer?
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: not so pretty
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: it's clean, I'm referring to the patchwork of panels
01:51 PM unterhaus: you're looking at the lift
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: 9
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: you're saying it doesn't come with those ladder things!
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: that is how it jumps over holes in the road
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzF8cYTbdzo example
02:00 PM Loetmichel: unterhaus: it has 255km on it
02:00 PM Loetmichel: so probably not
02:07 PM Centurion-Dan2 is now known as Centurion_Dan
02:08 PM Papagno: Hi. I have a problem with xyzbc-trt-gui. When is open with xyzbc-trt.ini config, the memory required of xyzbc-trt-gui , increase in continus and have out of memory. this problem is the same with yxzac-trt-gui
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: Papagno: I'd ask on the forums
02:21 PM Papagno: CaptHindsight, ok thanks
02:29 PM fragalot: 'sup
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: fragalot: been quite
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: quiet even
03:28 PM unterhaus: there was a guy here that had a big collection of really nice cars and then dropped dead.
03:28 PM unterhaus: I was more envious of the lift and toolboxes, but none of it got used much
03:28 PM XXCoder: hope guy have ironclad will
03:29 PM unterhaus: His kids were selling the cars
03:29 PM XXCoder: because thats kind of thing that can cause nasty legal war that all lwyers benefit
03:30 PM unterhaus: if I die of covid, at least my kids won't be able to go to the hospital and express disapproval about my machine collection in the basement
03:34 PM fragalot: unterhaus: as long as they sell things for their value, rather than what you told your wife you paid for it
05:06 PM Deejay: gn8
06:54 PM _unreal_: hello
06:54 PM _unreal_: ve7it, Whats new
06:57 PM veegee: Lol this virus situation is hilarious to me
06:57 PM veegee: I'm thoroughly enjoying what's happening in america right now
06:57 PM rue_mohr: how many of your freinds/family have died from it yet?
06:58 PM veegee: None because we're not stupid
06:58 PM rue_mohr: this is good
06:58 PM unterhaus_: where you at?
06:58 PM veegee: Toronto
06:58 PM rue_mohr: canada
06:58 PM rue_mohr: our hospital here is all geared up for a infection rate of no more than 0.25%
06:58 PM veegee: I studied two years of virology in university by the way
06:58 PM rue_mohr: :/
06:58 PM unterhaus_: but stupid people are all around us here in the U.S.
06:58 PM veegee: but I forget that literally no one else has any idea what that is
06:59 PM veegee: And most people have no background in biology/chemistry
06:59 PM rue_mohr: I wish I did :(
06:59 PM veegee: science should be mandatory in high school, I can't believe it's not
06:59 PM rue_mohr: I need to turn myself into a robot, and I'm missing half of what i need to know
06:59 PM veegee: but I hope this plays out with all the idiots dying
07:00 PM unterhaus_: the idiots are going to take out plenty of non-idiots, unfortunately
07:00 PM veegee: It's hard for me to understand just how little most people know in general
07:00 PM veegee: like the basics
07:00 PM veegee: what a virus even is, how it can spread, what proteins and enzymes are, how they work, etc.
07:01 PM rue_mohr: I'd like to know more abuot killing virus' with UVC
07:01 PM veegee: anything that can denature the protein will do it
07:01 PM unterhaus_: a doctor friend explained to me how the disease would progress. It's like a horror movie
07:01 PM veegee: heat, ionizing radiation, etc.
07:01 PM veegee: but all those things affect our proteins too in the same way
07:02 PM unterhaus_: the video I saw from the spanish hospital with everyone having trouble breathing was just horrific
07:02 PM rue_mohr: veegee, petri dish culture, diy @ home, what would a person need?
07:02 PM veegee: you w on't be able to culture a virus like that at home
07:02 PM veegee: it needs a host cell
07:02 PM rue_mohr: I'd hope not
07:02 PM veegee: can be a plant or animal cell
07:02 PM rue_mohr: I'm going for basics
07:02 PM veegee: but you can grow bacteria and fungi much easier
07:02 PM veegee: and a virus is technically not "alive"
07:02 PM rue_mohr: yes, lets start with mushrooms
07:03 PM unterhaus_: was going to make a joke about licking a sign at walmart and decided not
07:03 PM pink_vampire: Is It A Good Idea To Microwave This? Will It Blend?
07:03 PM rue_mohr: veegee, so goat blood
07:03 PM rue_mohr: always about the goats
07:03 PM veegee: it's just a protein that injects its RNA/DNA into a host cell and makes the host cell machinery build its proteins and usually literally cause the host cell to explode with many more virus particles
07:03 PM veegee: well get nutrient agar
07:03 PM veegee: just leave it sitting out and I guarantee that something will grow onit
07:03 PM veegee: or even a slice of bread
07:04 PM rue_mohr: diy home, kitchen, cmon
07:04 PM veegee: there are viruses, bacteria, fungi all over the place in our air
07:04 PM rue_mohr: duh
07:04 PM rue_mohr: :)
07:04 PM veegee: human DNA also contains viral DNA because humans evolved with viruses
07:04 PM rue_mohr: my understanding is that lots of evl stuff hides in our spinal column
07:05 PM veegee: not sure what that means
07:05 PM rue_mohr: dont recall the reference
07:05 PM rue_mohr: samples of most everything a person has had
07:05 PM rue_mohr: something about the immune system using it as memory
07:05 PM veegee: oh
07:05 PM rue_mohr: or something, I could be way off
07:05 PM veegee: well you have memory B cells
07:06 PM rue_mohr: veegee, how biology versed are yuo?
07:06 PM veegee: it was my major
07:06 PM veegee: I was going to go into medicine but I hated the elitism so I decided not to
07:06 PM rue_mohr: ok, but as far as humans?
07:06 PM veegee: human biology/immunology/virology majors
07:07 PM rue_mohr: I need someone to help me with stuff in the process of trying to turn myself into a robot (please just ignore the crazy person part)
07:07 PM veegee: not as well versed with bacterial processes
07:07 PM rue_mohr: I figure the one comming in ~4years is gonna be BAD
07:07 PM veegee: well no one knows what consciousness is, so how can you replicate that
07:07 PM veegee: but if you mean everything except for the brain, it's technically possible
07:07 PM rue_mohr: veegee, its ok, I'm a software guy, I'm reverse engineering what I can from the inside
07:08 PM veegee: master your understanding of the neuro-muscular junction
07:08 PM rue_mohr: its a horridly proprietory platform, but my existence depends on figuring it out
07:08 PM veegee: you won't make it
07:08 PM veegee: everyone has been trying and people still can't
07:08 PM rue_mohr: otherwise I'd bother just as much as if I were asked to port a mac classic program to a x86
07:09 PM veegee: it's very highly feedback regulated
07:09 PM rue_mohr: veegee, yea, I'm not gonna give up
07:09 PM veegee: and there are millions of feedback processes
07:09 PM veegee: LOL not sure if you're being serious or not
07:09 PM rue_mohr: yea, I'm not worried about the software, I need help with the hardware
07:09 PM veegee: just machine some limbs
07:10 PM Tom_L: veegee, a little dimented but serious
07:10 PM veegee: if you get as far as precise motor control of a prosthetic, you're already godlike
07:10 PM veegee: no one's been able to do it
07:10 PM rue_mohr: maybe the goal of my existance is to see the light from the supernova of Betelgeuse
07:11 PM veegee: no one's been able to simulate mammalian walking in a robot even
07:11 PM rue_mohr: I'm circling closer to some emg stuff
07:11 PM veegee: I mean researchers got close, but still nowhere near what mammals actually do
07:12 PM rue_mohr: I have more confidence in my skills then theirs
07:12 PM rue_mohr: even if I dont know what I'm doing
07:12 PM rue_mohr: but hey, are you always in this channel?
07:13 PM veegee: Yes but I'm not sure if you're serious or trolling
07:14 PM rue_mohr: dont worry about that, answer questions if you want to
07:14 PM veegee: I thought you were just being silly
07:14 PM rue_mohr: maybe I think its silly to just accept that your gonna die one day and thats that.
07:14 PM rue_mohr: and never try to do anything about it
07:14 PM veegee: ....ok so serious you are
07:14 PM Tom_L: :)
07:15 PM Tom_L: he's been at this for years
07:15 PM rue_mohr: I'm also always too late to the punch
07:15 PM veegee: lol what! are you serious?
07:15 PM rue_mohr: no, he's tom
07:15 PM veegee: what have you been trying to actually do?
07:15 PM rue_mohr: I'v been working on reverse engineering my mind
07:15 PM Tom_L: mostly research
07:15 PM rue_mohr: I'm pretty good at reverse engineering
07:15 PM veegee: what does that even mean?
07:15 PM veegee: ok stop
07:16 PM veegee: if you're approaching a biological organism like discrete logic, it's not going to work
07:16 PM rue_mohr: rue_mohr, you wigged him out, GOOD ONE
07:16 PM rue_mohr: obviously not
07:16 PM rue_mohr: but the nervouse system IS PFM modulated digital signalling :P
07:17 PM rue_mohr: rue_mohr, this is where you be quiet a while
07:17 PM veegee: ok wow, I studied neurobiology too and I can't even begin to describe how much more there is to it than that
07:17 PM veegee: it's not digital
07:17 PM veegee: everything is analog
07:17 PM veegee: even digital is actually analog
07:18 PM rue_mohr: :) now who is drawing random lines
07:18 PM veegee: sure action potentials are electro-chemical signals, but you're not going to map it out like that
07:19 PM unterhaus_: went to home depot yesterday. Bad idea. Just going to grocery stores until this thing dies down
07:20 PM rue_mohr: I only need 8000-10000 years, its not like I'm trying to be immortal
07:20 PM unterhaus_: 93.5% of home depot workers and customers are in total denial
07:20 PM rue_mohr: oh no
07:20 PM rue_mohr: the death rates are gonna make italy look like a kids play
07:20 PM unterhaus_: fortunately there aren't many cases here in central Pa to spread
07:21 PM unterhaus_: but some people are working at it. If churches start opening again, we will be in trouble
07:22 PM rue_mohr: ~4 years
07:22 PM veegee: lol especially churches
07:22 PM veegee: religious people are the most ignorant
07:22 PM rue_mohr: I'm sure its gonna spread the same but be WAY deadlier
07:25 PM rue_mohr: ok I have a large cnc to keep making parts for...
07:25 PM unterhaus_: the little churches are probably still meeting, who knows?
07:26 PM rue_mohr: I want to ask about using insulated carbon fiber electrodes for nerves tho... bbl
07:38 PM andypugh: I had an interesting work experience, I went from doing metallurgy research to doing skin graft research.
07:38 PM andypugh: Suddenly my samples didn’t go rusty, they went mouldy.
07:39 PM unterhaus_: no fun, I like rust a lot better
07:39 PM andypugh: It’s easier to polish off.
07:40 PM unterhaus_: I was at a precision engineering conference where they were trying to recruit people for a project where they were going to poke needles into a mouse's brain
07:40 PM unterhaus_: and make it run on a treadmill. Many needles at once, trying to measure a single signal in the brain
07:41 PM andypugh: (The background is that I specialised in designing experimental equipment and the skin graft shaps neded a way to quantify the forces developed by skin grafts as they grow. They always seem to pull tight, you see. And if you want to develop drugs that compat that, you want to measure the result in-vitro)
07:42 PM andypugh: unterhaus_: Sound interesting, but not something I would want to be involved in.
07:45 PM unterhaus_: the whole lab is full of psychopaths, probably
08:38 PM _unreal_: hello
08:40 PM Tom_L: evening
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: don't get a skin graft on the bottom of your foot if you don't have to
08:46 PM CaptHindsight: unterhaus_: well you do need to get the probes in somehow
08:47 PM CaptHindsight: and neurology is a very very underfunded branch of medicine
08:47 PM CaptHindsight: so we still have needles for machine brain interfaces
08:47 PM _unreal_: machine brain interface?
08:48 PM _unreal_: Nothing like needles and brains in the same sentense
08:50 PM CaptHindsight: why psychiatry is still so primitive
08:50 PM SpeedEvil: What we really need is a full model of a neuron that works properly.
08:51 PM SpeedEvil: But even then you need to simulate billions of them often to get useful output
08:51 PM CaptHindsight: lots of spare ones to go around
08:51 PM _unreal_: SpeedEvil, brings me back to the days of when I use to work for the Jackson lab
08:51 PM _unreal_: world leader in bio medical research
08:54 PM unterhaus_: is there any language where "engineer" is used the same way as it is in the U.S.?
08:54 PM _unreal_: ?
08:55 PM CaptHindsight: choo choo train engineer?
08:55 PM CaptHindsight: social engineer
08:55 PM CaptHindsight: mechanical engineer
08:56 PM unterhaus_: mechanical engineer
08:56 PM unterhaus_: what is a Oprichter/eigenaar in dutch?
08:56 PM unterhaus_: is that a machinist?
08:57 PM unterhaus_: google translate says founder/owner, so not what I thought.
08:57 PM CaptHindsight: a machinist just operates machines that cut materials
08:58 PM unterhaus_: brits call a machinist an "engineer"
08:59 PM CaptHindsight: a mechanical engineer here would be involved in the design but not necessarily the fabrication
08:59 PM CaptHindsight: one might oversee fabrication
08:59 PM unterhaus_: Someone who was originally from Scotland told me he was an engineer at an american company. Realized quickly that he meant machinist
08:59 PM unterhaus_: I know how we use the term in the U.S., I'm curious about elsewhere
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: i think it does vary
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: and even here there are Professional engineers that are licensed
09:00 PM unterhaus_: I think the brits also use it the way we use it here, which makes it a bit confusing
09:00 PM _unreal_: has changed I'm sure with TIME as well
09:00 PM CaptHindsight: yet one may be an engineer and not be licensed
09:01 PM _unreal_: hehe its more of a tidle
09:01 PM unterhaus_: you can't sell engineering services unless you are licensed. I'm pretty sure that is true everywhere in the u.s.
09:01 PM CaptHindsight: you can
09:01 PM _unreal_: I do.
09:02 PM unterhaus_: not legally. Probably not enforced. You have to call them something else
09:02 PM CaptHindsight: just not for areas that require licensing
09:02 PM _unreal_: and no i'm not licensed
09:02 PM _unreal_: then again I work on luxury yachts
09:02 PM unterhaus_: customers require licensed engineers when it matters
09:03 PM _unreal_: unterhaus_, mainly Safety
09:03 PM CaptHindsight: the majority of engineers in the USA, chemical, electrical are not licensed
09:03 PM _unreal_: in construction
09:03 PM _unreal_: its mandated
09:03 PM CaptHindsight: most in Civil are
09:03 PM unterhaus_: I thought about getting my license. Too late to get one when I got my Ph.D. though
09:04 PM CaptHindsight: post hole digger?
09:04 PM unterhaus_: pile higher
09:04 PM _unreal_: if your going design a building. It must be designed by licensed architects etc..
09:04 PM _unreal_: 10pm time to make din
09:05 PM unterhaus_: my boss says he's a P.E. Ph.D. He got the PE license once and I'm a little surprised nobody has called him on it
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: very few IT Engineers are licensed
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: and systems architects :)
09:06 PM _unreal_: unterhaus_, where did you get your nick handle from?
09:06 PM unterhaus_: came from someone teasing my dad
09:06 PM unterhaus_: name is keller == under house
09:06 PM _unreal_: ?
09:07 PM unterhaus_: keller == basement == under house
09:07 PM _unreal_: cellar?
09:07 PM unterhaus_: keller is the german word for basement
09:08 PM CaptHindsight: what type of machine is a gin mill?
09:08 PM unterhaus_: Many Germans label their doors, it's funny to see "Keller" on a door
09:09 PM unterhaus_: is it a horizontal gin mill or a vertical gin mill?
09:10 PM unterhaus_: when I first started calling myself unterhausen, nobody on the internet but me was using it
09:11 PM unterhaus_: It's like the opposite of oberhausen
09:11 PM unterhaus_: "loser"
09:11 PM CaptHindsight: do they use different terms there for engineer vs designer for say electronic circuits or interior design?
09:11 PM unterhaus_: I feel like Germans are very specific about such things
09:12 PM unterhaus_: but Loetmichel is sleeping one off
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: over here the corporate types just hijack words
09:12 PM unterhaus_: eventually google will become useless
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: automation will not have a single machine involved
09:13 PM unterhaus_: there was that article that Medium took down because some techbro thought he understood epidemics because they had stolen a lot of words from epidemiology
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: automation engineer = software developer involved in writing applications that automate some data process
09:14 PM CaptHindsight: you show up for the job fair and you bring examples of all the robots you designed and installed
09:14 PM unterhaus_: deep learning == some guy that barely speaks English training a neural net
09:15 PM CaptHindsight: and in English :)
09:15 PM unterhaus_: right
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: 3d printer was a fun one
09:16 PM unterhaus_: facebook really hates certain types of tools, they think woodworking tools are either a gun or knife
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: what type? "blank stare"
09:16 PM CaptHindsight: might be in texas :)
09:16 PM unterhaus_: but it's a computer vision algorithm, so you can understand
09:17 PM unterhaus_: the one I saw yesterday was an adjustable bevel "sliding t bevel" I think the algorithm thought the blade was a gun barresl
09:18 PM unterhaus_: ^barrel
09:19 PM unterhaus_: I have worked with training computer vision algorithms, it's an honest mistake, and computer could make it
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: back in the 70-80's we called it "image processing"
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: some time in the 00's it became machine vision
09:20 PM CaptHindsight: or computer vision
09:21 PM unterhaus_: image processing didn't really try to extract meaning
09:21 PM unterhaus_: although I guess pattern matching has been around for a while
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: digital image processing vs analog image processing
09:22 PM CaptHindsight: a subgroup of morphological filters
09:22 PM CaptHindsight: pattern matching
09:23 PM unterhaus_: I always found it too frustrating. I wasn't meant to serve horseshit to people that wanted to spend money on things that were never really going to work right
09:23 PM unterhaus_: I got my degree at the wrong time, because all of a sudden that was big business
09:24 PM CaptHindsight: selling crap that almost works is the in thing
09:24 PM unterhaus_: the trick is believing you can deliver when you write the proposal. I have a real blind spot for that
09:24 PM CaptHindsight: what we would laugh at is now the preferred method, just get it to sort of work as soon as possible
09:25 PM unterhaus_: I worked for a guy that I think is a real genius, but the truth is he over-promised a lot and now the sponsors are being tolerant as he grinds his way through the problems
09:26 PM unterhaus_: and solves them the way I would have, but they never would have given me the project because I would never over-promise
09:27 PM unterhaus_: the smartest mechanical engineer I know is doing machine learning for a medical school right now
09:29 PM CaptHindsight: everyone I knew has left
09:29 PM CaptHindsight: the USA at least
09:31 PM unterhaus_: I know a few that left. Not the really smart ones though. One of them is an executive in a really big consumer products company in India
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: it's very anti-intellectual here
09:31 PM unterhaus_: One guy I knew got a half million dollar loan and left for China, unannounced
09:32 PM unterhaus_: fbi came around looking for info 6 months later :)
09:33 PM unterhaus_: He actually had made about that much on ebay while he was getting his Ph.D.
09:35 PM CaptHindsight: I got funds, offices and an empty factory in China about 7 years ago from their guberment
09:35 PM CaptHindsight: I didn't stay
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: additive manufacturing
09:37 PM CaptHindsight: 100 miles from Wuhan
09:39 PM unterhaus_: how long were you there?
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: on and off a couple of years
09:40 PM unterhaus_: I can't see myself setting up a factory there. I have thought about trying to get a visiting professor gig in India though
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: they just wanted the know how, didn't give them much
09:41 PM unterhaus_: are you doing much additive manufacturing now?
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: yes, resin printers, inkjet, sand molds/cores for casting
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: i get calls from several different co's all about the same project, usually guberment
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: all trying to do the same thing for the "secret project"
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: comes in waves
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: some engine part or similar for aerospace
09:45 PM unterhaus_: funny
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: all can't say what they are trying to do
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: but send you a similar file to make
09:46 PM unterhaus_: sounds like someone put out a RFP
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: scrambling around looking for materials or a printer
09:47 PM unterhaus_: AM has high potential for selling B.S. right now still
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: I'm surprised by how many can't get simple things to work
09:47 PM unterhaus_: I think what we are working on is a good thing, so I'm fine with working in AM
09:48 PM CaptHindsight: well yeah, you can make some porous or brittle part and then say but we can try to make it better with some R&D..
09:48 PM CaptHindsight: knowing it would be quite a leap to get it there
09:48 PM unterhaus_: that's where over-promising comes in
09:48 PM CaptHindsight: but you hold up the "proto" in some board room
09:48 PM unterhaus_: but it might not work with a real project
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: and they see "well look it's almost there"
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: In see it all the time, people get funding for crap
09:49 PM unterhaus_: one of my previous bosses got fired off a big program by a large defense contractor
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: In/I
09:50 PM unterhaus_: funny thing was it was about the only project I thought was actually not total nonsense
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: but you can't even volunteer to provide them with real tech insight as to why it's crap
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: they don't want to know
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: fir instance i have a water soluble after curing resin that only a few co's could make work
09:51 PM unterhaus_: is this the secret project people, or in general?
09:52 PM CaptHindsight: in general
09:52 PM CaptHindsight: you have to do everything for them, hold their hands the whole way
09:52 PM CaptHindsight: but they need to manage you
09:52 PM CaptHindsight: and take credit
09:52 PM unterhaus_: that's all that is left of engineering in big companies
09:53 PM unterhaus_: I always figured the Chinese would just take over because companies in the U.S. are just a hollow shell
09:53 PM CaptHindsight: the recent secret projects are mostly dental
09:54 PM CaptHindsight: the clear aligner patent expired
09:54 PM CaptHindsight: so everyone is scrambling to make clear aligners since it's $20 of plastic sold for $2,000
09:55 PM unterhaus_: that's nice, next will be a new round of patents
09:55 PM CaptHindsight: so I get co's using all sorts of non FDA compliant materials to make them
09:56 PM CaptHindsight: all trying to make the same thing but call and ask without saying exactly what they are making
09:57 PM unterhaus_: have you gotten anyone to admit they are making something to compete with clear aligner?
09:57 PM CaptHindsight: some do, some don't
09:58 PM CaptHindsight: they could just ask about how to make them but they want to have us find some cheap materials or printer for them to use
09:59 PM CaptHindsight: the profit margins are crazy high so they don't want to you getting in on the action
09:59 PM CaptHindsight: to you/ you to
09:59 PM unterhaus_: do you see any future in it for you?
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: what the dental?
10:00 PM unterhaus_: yes
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: we probably sell different materials and machines to all the competitors
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: they take on the risk on FDA
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: some countries have less oversight as well
10:02 PM CaptHindsight: if any
10:03 PM unterhaus_: on a totally different note, the facebook bicycle framebuilders group has been totally taken over by non-framebuilders
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: heh
10:04 PM unterhaus_: there is a thread on there with 50 responses and one of them is from a framebuilder. Not even any good engineering
10:04 PM CaptHindsight: #reprap
10:05 PM CaptHindsight: everyone is an expert
10:05 PM unterhaus_: so many people want to build a frame some day. That's fine, but don't answer people's questions
10:05 PM CaptHindsight: now it's the open ventilators
10:06 PM unterhaus_: yeah, that went to crap very quickly
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://blog.arduino.cc/2020/03/17/designing-a-low-cost-open-source-ventilator-with-arduino/
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: like this crap
10:06 PM skunkworks: I am an expert.. Just ask me.
10:07 PM unterhaus_: the face guards probably aren't too bad
10:07 PM unterhaus_: If I'm in a hospital and they bring in a pvc ventilator, I'm going to ask for the lethal dose of fentenyl
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: skunkworks: if they had only half the skill that you have
10:08 PM unterhaus_: I keep seeing the design that has a bladder which is actuated by a pvc pipe
10:09 PM unterhaus_: There are some good designs that use arduinos.
10:09 PM unterhaus_: that doesn't scare me too much
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/open-source-project-spins-up-3d-printed-ventilator-validation-prototype-in-just-one-week/
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: this one ^^
10:11 PM unterhaus_: it's pretty simple, although the valving might not be
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: a few days ago they printed some nozzles that were out of stock
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: the cost was $11K ea
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: used FDM and they worked
10:12 PM unterhaus_: and got sued
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, waiting for that news on the case
10:13 PM unterhaus_: that valve doesn't look like you could have patent protection, but you can patent anything nowadays
10:13 PM unterhaus_: even in Italy
10:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-3d-print-valves-treatments
10:13 PM unterhaus_: I've heard that part is pretty much only used in italy
10:15 PM CaptHindsight: the guys that printed it appeared to be competent
10:15 PM unterhaus_: it happens sometimes
10:16 PM unterhaus_: I see, the company didn't give them drawings, which isn't really justified
10:16 PM skunkworks: CaptHindsight: thanks.. I am good at winging it.
10:17 PM unterhaus_: I thought I saw that the U.S. need for ventilators is going to be 1 million
10:17 PM unterhaus_: and we are fighting over a few hundred
10:17 PM CaptHindsight: maybe
10:17 PM unterhaus_: you still need that bladder though
10:17 PM unterhaus_: so your 3d printed PVC pipe and plywood creation still might not be enough
10:18 PM CaptHindsight: maybe more if they will call off the distancing around Easter
10:18 PM unterhaus_: I'm trying not to encourage people to go to their mega-church
10:18 PM CaptHindsight: hey you reap what you sew
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: let em go
10:19 PM unterhaus_: or sow, as the case may be
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: yeah sp
10:19 PM unterhaus_: homonyms are going to kill us
10:19 PM skunkworks: I love that word
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: sew what?
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: a stich in time
10:20 PM unterhaus_: I'm surrounded by just the kind of people that have internalized the hoax nonsense. But they are hoarding everything
10:21 PM unterhaus_: next time I go to the grocery, I'm going to wear my full face respirator
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: i debated then just wore gloves
10:22 PM unterhaus_: wearing some kind of mask is not a bad idea
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: I've likely had covid
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: I'll take an antibody test to verify
10:22 PM unterhaus_: lots of people are saying that, but are you dead? no
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: not that i am aware
10:23 PM unterhaus_: see, you probably aren't dead, although I admit you might not be aware if you were
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: dry cough, fever, aches etc
10:23 PM unterhaus_: exposure to a known case?
10:23 PM unterhaus_: You're in Chicago?
10:23 PM Tom_L: i heard Il was on lockdown
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: well thats it the thing, somebody else in the channel brought up the same circumstance
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: yes we are in Shelter in PLace
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: sister of friend was hospitalized with viral pneumonia of unknown type
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: they did not test or if they did they did not tell them the result
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: so it seems they are trying to keep positive results to a minimum
10:26 PM unterhaus_: yeah, viral pneumonia is likely covid
10:26 PM unterhaus_: testing has been sparse, I'm sure they would have tested if they didn't have that problem
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: she is also asthmatic
10:27 PM unterhaus_: I saw somewhere that asthma isn't as complicating as you might think
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: well just her example
10:28 PM unterhaus_: although some people have barely controlled asthma, I figure those people are not going to do well
10:28 PM unterhaus_: did she recover?
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: yes, fine now
10:28 PM unterhaus_: that's good
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: a few days of a real scare
10:28 PM unterhaus_: sure would be nice for her to know
10:29 PM unterhaus_: If she knew, you'd know, etc
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: doesn't seem to be the plan here
10:29 PM unterhaus_: things are changing rapidly
10:29 PM unterhaus_: testing is still the weak spot
10:29 PM unterhaus_: not enough tests for everyone that has probably been exposed
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: somebody here was just in the hospital this past weekend, unknown viral pneumonia, no Covid test, fine now
10:30 PM skunkworks: we are only going to know how bad it was by the deaths.
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: i agree
10:30 PM skunkworks: was/is
10:31 PM unterhaus_: the way medicine works here we will probably get adequate testing eventually
10:31 PM skunkworks: but then 50% of the population won't believe the numbers anyway
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: another problem
10:31 PM unterhaus_: 40%, but they vote reliably
10:31 PM skunkworks: sad
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: tell me what to think
10:32 PM unterhaus_: I suspect they will find out since that is the population that is ignoring safe practices
10:32 PM skunkworks: good point.
10:32 PM unterhaus_: and they are often fat, which is really bad in combination with covid
10:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwR1-aRTyyM reminds me of this scene
10:33 PM skunkworks: we are segragated at work (I have been working from home) my coworker said - he didn't see anyone all day.
10:33 PM unterhaus_: that's good
10:33 PM skunkworks: yes. They are trying. But the second someone test positive they are screwed.
10:34 PM unterhaus_: I saw some factory had 60% absenteeism after the first positive
10:35 PM unterhaus_: since Amazon and costco all have had positives, I wonder if people are going to continue to show up
10:36 PM unterhaus_: that's the kind of thing that leads people to suggest buying water
10:36 PM unterhaus_: what if the water treatment chemical factory has to close
10:36 PM CaptHindsight: factory? you mean faucet hose and water filter? :)
10:37 PM skunkworks: it is more than that! wait - isn't it? ;)
10:38 PM unterhaus_: there will still be tap water, but you will have to boil it
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: profit uber alles
10:39 PM unterhaus_: 1 gallon/day/person for 2 weeks is standard disaster planning recommendation for water.
10:40 PM unterhaus_: I have heard the usual stock for water treatment plants is 1 week supply of chemicals
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: I'm outside the city, Chicago actually has a pretty good plant
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: out here its pretty sketchy
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: water towers and tanks
10:43 PM CaptHindsight: aquifers or piped in from other town
10:43 PM unterhaus_: ring video of a guy gloating over buying toilet paper is pretty funny
10:44 PM unterhaus_: https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1243019096431767554
10:44 PM unterhaus_: we get our water from wells, so I'm sure it needs pretty serious treatment given the proximity to outhouses/septic systems
10:46 PM unterhaus_: have to do my yearly sandusky training soon. Thanks Jerry
10:56 PM unterhaus_: i have to say it was worth taking the first 2 times. Everyone that works near children should have it
10:57 PM unterhaus_: The last 5 times haven't seemed so worthwhile
10:58 PM unterhaus_: some people are gloating about all the cases being concentrated in blue states
10:59 PM unterhaus_: not recognizing that most of them have vast swaths of people that would be right at home in Alabama
10:59 PM unterhaus_: I suspect that's where most of the victims in New Jersey are coming from, for example
11:02 PM skunkworks: or stupid college kids..
11:09 PM unterhaus_: I was really afraid of what would happen here after spring break. Fortunatly it only took 3 days for Penn State to realize they shouldn't bring the students back from Florida
11:10 PM unterhaus_: thankfully Harvard was smarter
11:10 PM unterhaus_: after they shut down, everyone had to, pretty much
11:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.axsysdental.com/Videos/TrimExpert%20Promotional%20Video%20REVC.mp4
11:34 PM CaptHindsight: the SCARA must have cap touch so when it is touched it cuts motor power or operates a clutch
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: open source? where? https://www.axsysdental.com/Versamill5X400.html
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: Liner guides & ballscrews with preloaded bearings.
11:42 PM CaptHindsight: Closed loop system with micro-stepper technology and position encoders.
11:43 PM CaptHindsight: Liner guides? :p
11:43 PM CaptHindsight: a professional editor was not hired
11:44 PM CaptHindsight: gotta find me some preloaded bearings
11:45 PM CaptHindsight: Spindle 80,000 RPM .5kW Air Cooled