#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 19 2020

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:29 AM Deejay: moin
03:59 AM sensille: any recommendations for a small bandsaw to cut aluminum?
04:08 AM veegee: Successfully bypassed the GFCI. It was a nuisance to get past all the wiring and what not
04:08 AM veegee: Everything works as expected now
04:08 AM veegee: No blown VFD, no nuisance tripping, etc.
05:12 AM jthornton: morning
05:15 AM * jthornton finally made it to 12.8571 stone
05:15 AM XXCoder: congats
05:15 AM jthornton: my goal is 12 stone
05:15 AM XXCoder: im at 5000 stones heh
05:16 AM XXCoder: nah kidding. 310 pounds
05:16 AM jthornton: I don't think so lol
05:16 AM jthornton: 22.1429 stone
05:16 AM XXCoder: bad combination of being a fatass, dense bones and thick body
05:16 AM Loetmichel: <- 116kg :-)
05:16 AM XXCoder: lol i weight nbit less than 2 of you
05:17 AM jthornton: 116kg = 18.2669 stone
05:30 AM jthornton: heavy rain today and chance of snow on Sunday
05:38 AM p0g0: It's going to hit 76F here today, & freeze Saturday...
05:38 AM p0g0: Flash Floods just west...
05:38 AM XXCoder: 52f today and slowly lowering to 43f by monday
05:38 AM XXCoder: no rain at all
05:39 AM XXCoder: extremely abnormal
05:39 AM p0g0: ya think?
05:39 AM jthornton: yea flash flood watch here till Thursday night
05:39 AM XXCoder: yes. here it normally almost cant NOT rain during springs.
05:39 AM XXCoder: dryest year this year so far.
05:39 AM jthornton: my house and buildings are all above the high water mark except the pole barn
05:40 AM p0g0: The rain is normal enough, but the 76F is way outside our norms.
05:41 AM p0g0: I live in "hard hill country", runoff is fast, and the river is about 70m below, with 30m cliffs in a gorge, it's the instantaneous rain that makes things dangerous-driving, washouts, etc.
05:45 AM p0g0: It'll never flood unless some serious plate tectonics gets involved. The Ordovician era oceans did once cover the area- why we have such good gravel, the limestone beds. The racehorse folks just west are there for the same reason, the calcium and phosphorous make strong light bones.
06:05 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: the funny thing with us fatasses is that while endurance may be down the drain POWER is plenty. i.E: if someone wants some he better is fast enough to not get hit, otherwise its usually "lights out" ':_)
06:07 AM XXCoder: lol
06:08 AM Loetmichel: been there done that. "sorry, officer. the perp literally ran into my fist..."
06:08 AM XXCoder: never was a fighter
06:09 AM XXCoder: i'd comment about being a beter lover than figher but im not great on that either'
06:10 AM Loetmichel: also i dont imagine you as "coloured turned white" ;)
06:10 AM Loetmichel: ... and especially not as the king of pop ;)
06:10 AM XXCoder: huh?
06:11 AM XXCoder: ah some song or other i recall something like that lol
06:11 AM XXCoder: been a while
06:20 AM p0g0: built for comfort, not for speed...
06:21 AM XXCoder: sadly my body model dont come with confort too
06:21 AM p0g0: (Howlin Wolfe)
06:22 AM p0g0: Or mebbe "Tramp" or "Love Man", Otis Redding
06:23 AM jthornton: most I've ever weighted is 240 pounds and that sucked big time BP was up no energy
06:23 AM jthornton: weighed even
06:26 AM XXCoder: 240 lb should be my ideal weight
06:27 AM XXCoder: well time to sleep laters
06:43 AM jthornton: night
07:01 AM Tom_L: 61 & rain here
07:43 AM jthornton: same here
08:13 AM Javabean: rain was yesterday... and only just got warmer than 61f
08:17 AM Loetmichel: p0g0: i meant "the girl is mine", duet of MJ and Paul Mcartney
08:17 AM Loetmichel: MJ literally says to paul in that song "i'm a lover, not a fighter!"
08:19 AM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: even 104kg (240lb) would be about 20lb "overweight" for me. i am only a 5'11' male in my fifties. the 18,3 stone i have now are WAY to much.
08:20 AM Loetmichel: I honestly dont care much though, as log as i can still climb the stairs at the company without a heart attack all is well :-)
08:22 AM JT-Shop: Loetmichel, I got tired of carrying the extra weight around and the high BP associated with obesity
08:22 AM JT-Shop: I also stopped snoring when I lost 60 pounds of fat
08:23 AM Loetmichel: yeah, that would be about as much as i should shed off
08:23 AM Loetmichel: 60lb i mean
08:24 AM miss0r: hello
08:24 AM miss0r: 'you guys hanging in there?
08:24 AM p0g0: 'k. I am a fan of 50's, 60's US Blues musicians, so for the antithesis, tho a bit apt given the now familiar "don't touch your face: J.B. Lenoir's "Don't Touch My Head" and Willy Dixon's "I'm Ready" (covered by Muddy Waters et al, "Fathers and Suns") Both songs about pugilism.
08:24 AM p0g0: Loetmichel, ^
08:25 AM p0g0: But they are first rate blues tunes...
08:25 AM miss0r: I never learned to love blues...
08:25 AM p0g0: Yet you are singing them now...
08:26 AM miss0r: GET OUT OF MY HEAD!
08:26 AM miss0r: :]
08:42 AM JT-Shop: yea, pretty quiet here
08:42 AM jymmmm: good morning
09:08 AM miss0r: it is ridiculously quite here. Its like the movie set of a zombie movie
09:08 AM miss0r: without the zombies, though
09:09 AM gregcnc: I haven't been out and about but have heard the same
09:10 AM miss0r: The industry is still going. So its nice to have so little cars on the road while I drive around to repair stuff
09:10 AM miss0r: I guess I should've replaced "little" with "few".
09:12 AM miss0r: bah. I have some metal painting comming up. ignorant me browses my supplyer for a dust mast.. haha, no dice
09:17 AM jthornton: some woodworking places have painters dust masks but you won't find and N95
09:17 AM skunkworks: main street here in this little town is usually busy. (couple bars) last night - there was 1 car parked.
09:18 AM miss0r: I ended up buying a full face proper gasmask with external filters. It was all I could find. But it sure will last me longer than those one use masks(Assuming I don't manage to paint over the face sheild)
09:19 AM miss0r: :)
09:20 AM miss0r: gasmasks won't do me much good against the corona virus.. I have a full face beard, and one thing is for sure - THAT it will not seal against :D
09:21 AM miss0r: (I wasn't allowed to have that when i was in the army, for the same reason)
09:21 AM gregcnc: wouldn't take long to fix
09:21 AM miss0r: paint on the faceshield?
09:21 AM miss0r: or the beard? :D
09:22 AM gregcnc: beard lol
09:22 AM miss0r: meh. I look like a 13 year old kit the second I remove it
09:22 AM miss0r: Last time I took it all off I made my oldest son cry, because he didn't recognize me :D
09:23 AM gregcnc: iv'e seen some of those videos
09:23 AM miss0r: They are not all made up :D I didn't record it, though.
09:25 AM gregcnc: people are doing their best to panic others
09:25 AM miss0r: Indeed. I don't understand why, though. What good would that do anyone?
09:27 AM gregcnc: facebook is full of people claiming martial law, freeing inmates from prisons, etc, trump released the virus to crash the economy
09:28 AM miss0r: I know trump is a crazy mofo.. but that is a bit over the top
09:28 AM Tom_L: they furloughed ~7000 Textron workers for ~8 weeks here today
09:28 AM gregcnc: thats' only one of the theories about crashing the economy there are many
09:30 AM miss0r: I basically ignore all the social medias. Not hard as I'm not present on any of them, though :D
09:30 AM gregcnc: people saying the death tolls in china are orders of magnitude greater than reported
09:30 AM Javabean: the one about the underreported deathtolls in china are really the easiest to believe
09:31 AM gregcnc: few airplanes flying too. There was a big rush at ~3AM to ORD, must have been overnight air shipments
09:32 AM miss0r: yeah. Its easy to believe china would be lying about this.. :)
09:33 AM miss0r: But what do I know.
09:33 AM miss0r: I know sh*t is going down in italy.
09:33 AM miss0r: Yesterday 475 people died from the virus
09:33 AM Javabean: nobody outside of china's "ruling party" knows the true deathtoll... and maybe not even them
09:33 AM miss0r: in italy*
09:34 AM CaptHindsight: China and Iran are not clear about their numbers! :)
09:35 AM gregcnc: Iran will be bad it seems too
09:35 AM rue_mohr: miss0r, are you sure on that number?
09:36 AM CaptHindsight: based on all their data sheets should just X2 all their numbers?
09:36 AM gregcnc: I just assume nobody goes to and from Russia, but that can't be real either
09:36 AM miss0r: rue_mohr: Define 'sure'?; Have I counted it myself? -no. but it comes from the italian ministry of health. I would think they are somewhat trustworthy. But I can't be sure
09:36 AM CaptHindsight: numbers that make them look good divide by 2, look bad x 2
09:36 AM rue_mohr: ok
09:36 AM Javabean: miss0r: taken from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ on march 17 "Italy: Bergamo (Lombardy region) has run out of intensive care beds"
09:37 AM miss0r: yeah
09:37 AM miss0r: italy is f-ed
09:37 AM rue_mohr: so, are they adjusting the fatality rate for this, or is it still ~1%
09:37 AM miss0r: their crematorium system in the district could not keep up. They've had miletary convoys driving the bodys our of town
09:39 AM rue_mohr: need to convert myself to a robot
09:39 AM miss0r: rue_mohr: That is a horrible question, to which theres no real answer. Like here in Denmark; The government - to keep up with demand - has changed the way they do the virus test: now they are only testing the ones with suvere symptoms. and therefore only a 'little' number is represented
09:39 AM rue_mohr: hmm yea
09:39 AM rue_mohr: I'm here in canada, and they aren't doing proactive testing
09:39 AM Javabean: that site lists the "case-closed" deathrate at 10%... but take a cup of salt with that statement, some places/situations aren't getting testing done on everyone living
09:39 AM miss0r: It is estimated that somewhere between 9.000 and 90.000 dains are infected. but the official number is ~1000
09:39 AM rue_mohr: 10%!!!
09:40 AM gregcnc: I would guess the most accurate numbers come from South Korea
09:40 AM Javabean: the 10% includes people who died and didn't get tested until after they died
09:40 AM miss0r: yeah. They are testing like theres no tomorrow
09:40 AM CaptHindsight: we'll likely have more accurate numbers in a few weeks
09:41 AM miss0r: Same time next year, even
09:41 AM rue_mohr: so, are there any stories from people who have survived it?
09:41 AM CaptHindsight: even more accurate in months
09:41 AM gregcnc: many people have survived and didn't even know....?
09:41 AM CaptHindsight: Tom hanks and wife got out of the hospital yesterday
09:42 AM miss0r: rue_mohr: sure. lots
09:42 AM miss0r: I'm more worried about the two belgian amature athlets(early 30s)
09:42 AM rue_mohr: need to hear more from the people who had it, what they went thru
09:42 AM CaptHindsight: the kardashians will live blog hour by hour
09:43 AM miss0r: they both cleared the decease, but died a week later because their loungh tissue swelled up
09:43 AM gregcnc: all depends on how bad they had it
09:43 AM miss0r: gregcnc: I've had a runny nose for a few days. I MUST HAVE IT :)
09:43 AM miss0r: and I very well could. and just not get hit harder than this
09:44 AM rue_mohr: that seems to be the issue
09:44 AM rue_mohr: I'v had something for about a month now, starts every pollen season
09:44 AM miss0r: which sucks driving to clients. I am SUPER CRAZY about disinfecting everything.
09:44 AM rue_mohr: so, like, how the hell would I know
09:44 AM miss0r: I would not like to feel I could've infected anyone, *should* I have it
09:45 AM CaptHindsight: I'm phone only
09:45 AM miss0r: CaptHindsight: Nice. that would be near impossible for me, though
09:45 AM miss0r: I have taken in alot more shop work than usual, to stay home as much as possible
09:47 AM CaptHindsight: have you noticed that people are avoiding eye contact when outside?
09:48 AM CaptHindsight: it's a 6ft 3m rule, not if you look at someone they might infect you rule
09:48 AM Tom_L: :)
09:48 AM Tom_L: curse by association
09:50 AM CaptHindsight: sorry 6ft / 2m rule, it's not 3m in metric countries
09:55 AM Javabean: 1m ~(about) 39inches = 3foot/3inches
09:56 AM Javabean: so 2m is about 6foot 6inches, or 6.5feet
09:56 AM CaptHindsight: heh
09:56 AM CaptHindsight: sorry didn't mean to laugh
09:57 AM rue_mohr: containment suit anymone?
09:57 AM Javabean: no, go ahead and laugh, capt... metric to american is great fun!
09:59 AM CaptHindsight: who did this to you, you're not even German
10:00 AM Javabean: i have only seen my "family tree" from my mother's mother's side... pretty sure there is alot of german from other directions
10:08 AM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: the 200 gal of UV cured epoxy ends up was leaking all over the he ship
10:09 AM CaptHindsight: wish they had pictures
10:11 AM CaptHindsight: and the AIG website to file insurance claims is down, these fuckers are nice
10:16 AM gregcnc: don't they ever ship buckets to understand how to load them?
10:16 AM CaptHindsight: they ignored the "Do not stack" labels
10:20 AM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: was there enough UV?
10:20 AM SpeedEvil: (to cure it before it was found)
10:23 AM CaptHindsight: SpeedEvil: sure it was daylight near the equator
10:24 AM flyback is now known as mork
10:24 AM mork is now known as flyback
10:33 AM gregcnc: wtf? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ_PP5rqLg0
10:35 AM gregcnc: ^ math
10:36 AM sensille: is that really easier?
10:37 AM gregcnc: if you can only add
10:37 AM sensille: and half
10:39 AM Javabean: and double
10:39 AM sensille: that adding
10:39 AM sensille: +'s
10:39 AM Javabean: shhhhh don't tell american school kids that
10:39 AM sensille: it's nicely presented, though
11:14 AM CaptHindsight: we would have been in trouble for performing math functions in any other way than instructed, conforming was the main goal, not a well rounded education
11:17 AM unterhaus: I had a teacher that taught us all sorts of math tricks, she would have really liked that method
11:17 AM unterhaus: do people put their limit switches in the estop loop?
11:21 AM rue_mohr: shoudln't
11:22 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: i WAS in trouble quite a bit in school for exactly that .-)
11:23 AM CaptHindsight: unterhaus: I can see doing it that way if you have no end stops
11:24 AM Loetmichel: unterhaus: if the limit switches are real limit switches and not home switches it makes some sense to tie them into the drivers, not into the estop loop, so the driver cant physically move beyond the switch but still can back OFF the switch
11:24 AM Loetmichel: not that many people do that though because its only marginally safer than the soft limits and usual hobby machines have not enough oomph to destroy something if they run into the hard ends of travel
11:25 AM CaptHindsight: ballscrew only supported on the motor end so the nut doesn't drive off the end of the screw :)
11:26 AM Loetmichel: benn there done that half a dozen times (the "32 balls searching in the whole shop and reassembling the nut") Then i reparametrized the soft limits in LinuxCNC so that cant happen again ;)
11:27 AM Loetmichel: still the estop loop makes no sense, cause you cant drive the machine OFF the limit switch if estop is active
11:27 AM Loetmichel: so its more useful to tie them into the Servo drivers/stepper drivers
11:28 AM tjtr33: ? click on "ignore limits" in axis
11:28 AM Loetmichel: tjtr33: as far as i know thats NOT possible for the Estop loop
11:28 AM Loetmichel: only for the soft limits
11:28 AM Loetmichel: thats my point
11:30 AM Loetmichel: to put a limit switch into the estop loop means you have no way to get the axis in question off said limit switch unless you have a hand wheel on the servo/stepper motor
11:30 AM Loetmichel: also: a real estop loop disables the drivers. so even if you could ignore the estop signal in linuxCNC it would STILL not work
11:31 AM tjtr33: yes i see, we had the limits wired to a terminal strip on the column of one machine. everyone knew to put a jumper from #1 to #10 to allow jogging it back into work area, some put a switch across the limits ( series to estop)
11:31 AM Loetmichel: yeah, that works of course, but is a workaround
11:32 AM Loetmichel: its "cleaner" to wire the limit switches NOT into the Estop loop but into the drivers limit inputs
11:33 AM Loetmichel: i have even seen that on stepper drivers where they simply switched the "dir" input in a way that the stepper could only move OFF the switch on the next step pulse, regardless of what the computer says
11:34 AM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: that makes things interesting if that feature is not documented
11:34 AM tjtr33: yes many servo drive have a + and a - enables that can be wired into limits switches
11:35 AM tjtr33: one the limit is hit you can only move the other way
11:36 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: indeed. "why is that axis wobbling back and forth when i press "move???
11:38 AM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: still better than shooting half an pound of steel (the hard limit) across the shop because of a mishap in the soft limit parameters ;)
11:38 AM Loetmichel: -n
11:39 AM Loetmichel: (i DID wire in some limit switches after that mishap! :-)
11:40 AM Loetmichel: (correctly onto the siemens servo drivers limit inputs)
11:41 AM Javabean: oh, yeah... how did you fair after your recent "kickback" to the gut?
11:44 AM Loetmichel: who, me?
11:44 AM Loetmichel: cant remember any kickback
11:46 AM Javabean: you were the one that took a chunk of alu to the gut and asked what it was called when a saw spat something back at you... that was you right?
11:48 AM Loetmichel: ah
11:48 AM Loetmichel: yes
11:48 AM Loetmichel: but that wasnt really "hard"
11:48 AM Loetmichel: just a little reminder to not stand behind a table saw when doing metal ;)
11:48 AM Javabean: s/"when doing metal"/""
11:49 AM Loetmichel: forgot that shortly after i asked ;)
11:49 AM Javabean: yoy... but still, hows the gut?
11:52 AM Loetmichel: as i said: no damage done, so fine ;)
11:58 AM Javabean: congrats
11:58 AM Loetmichel: my belly tends to "repel" or "rebounce" any projectiles that fly at it ;)
11:58 AM Javabean: lol
11:58 AM Loetmichel: one of the perks of being fat
11:58 AM Loetmichel: enough wobbly material there to do a rebounce ;)
11:58 AM Javabean: well, there is fat... then there is just having a "beergut"
12:00 PM Javabean: same... but i know i don't have the reflexes to dodge a kickback
12:01 PM Javabean: also, this is woodworking... but its a good demonstration of why you don't stand there while cutting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sRrC2Jpp4
12:04 PM Javabean: bleh, i still shudder everytime i see that part... fsck dude
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: who makes those cheap low precision SCARA's?
12:33 PM Loetmichel: Javabean: i did quite a bit of woodwork in the day
12:33 PM Loetmichel: i know how a kickback feels and i know that i am pretty lucky to still have all my 10 fingers. I just didnt knew how its called in english
12:34 PM Loetmichel: and yes, i also know how it feels to get the end of a 2by4 shoved into your gut at high velocity
12:35 PM Loetmichel: lets just say "not so funny" and i am thankfull that i had a leather apron on back then that prevented any penetration
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: what do they call metric 2x4's?
12:35 PM Loetmichel: 50*100mm ;)
12:35 PM Loetmichel: "konstruktionsholz"
12:36 PM Loetmichel: the usual word here is "dachlatte" but thats more a 1x2
12:38 PM CaptHindsight: holzgebanger = hammer?
12:38 PM CaptHindsight: or nagelbanger
12:39 PM CaptHindsight: hey is the same word!
12:39 PM Loetmichel: "dachlatten" (Roof batten probably, the small timbers that run horizontally across the rafters to hold the ceramic tiles on german roofs) are usually 22mm by 45mm,. so slightly undersized 1by2s
12:39 PM Loetmichel: hammer is just hammer
12:41 PM Loetmichel: or, if you are from the "ruhrgebiet" in germany a big hammer is called "mottek" but thats probably because of all the polish guest workers in the sixties and seventies
12:43 PM Javabean: holzgebanger is german for "digit finder"?
12:45 PM Javabean: when you only have a hammer, all the world looks like your thumb
12:53 PM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: 1*2 are not 1*2
12:54 PM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: i know
12:54 PM Javabean: and 2x4's aren't 2x4
12:54 PM Javabean: but that is just having fun
12:54 PM Loetmichel: IIRC its a "a sawblade widht less" or so
12:54 PM Loetmichel: in both directions
12:55 PM Javabean: more than that
12:55 PM SpeedEvil: A sawblade from 1880.
12:56 PM Javabean: i am sure they had thinner sawblades in 1880
12:56 PM gregcnc: plus drying?
12:57 PM Javabean: a 2x4 is typically about 1.5x3.5
01:02 PM Loetmichel: Javabean: THATS because sawmills are cheap and got away with it
01:02 PM Loetmichel: i think in the beginning it was just a sawblade less
01:02 PM Loetmichel: also the same thing happens here with "dachlatten"
01:03 PM Loetmichel: rough sawn its 25 by 50mm... buy the same baton in "planed" and its only 22 by 45mm ;)
01:03 PM gregcnc: https://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/misc/miscpub_6409.pdf
01:04 PM Javabean: wish they would be that accurate with the lumber for a house
01:15 PM gregcnc: just add cubic money?
01:23 PM JT-Shop: well heck my S4 is not compatible with the new version of my banking app
01:24 PM gregcnc: aren't they up to s20 now?
01:25 PM JT-Shop: hmm I need android 6.0 at least
01:25 PM gregcnc: is the OS old?
01:25 PM JT-Shop: dunno, never looked
01:26 PM gregcnc: i have a tablet that I need to root and update so kids can play games
01:26 PM gregcnc: i know nothing about doing so
01:39 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: tell me about it. i still have a note3 on my belt ;)
01:46 PM JT-Shop: looks like only the phone manufacturer is the one to stop updating your phone
02:33 PM _builtin is now known as __builtin
03:08 PM Jymmm: I think skunkworks found a android "update" for older devices
03:11 PM skunkworks: I use lineageos when I can
03:14 PM miss0r: bah. my lathe is getting old. I have to reajust my tailstock every time I move it now.
03:14 PM XXCoder: dont tailstock have umm tose shims?
03:14 PM XXCoder: maybe need replace or adjust those
03:15 PM miss0r: XXCoder: Depends
03:16 PM miss0r: This is an old eastern european one. It is probably from the 70s
03:16 PM XXCoder: hmm ok
03:16 PM miss0r: The height is not too bad. But the "X" direction is all over the place
03:22 PM miss0r: This lathe is all but clapped out anyway
03:22 PM miss0r: I have to do ALOT of compensation if I do long turns. Which on this lathe is only 800mm or so
03:23 PM miss0r: I should start looking for one
03:25 PM XXCoder: cant rebuild?
03:25 PM miss0r: I think I am looking for a factory new lathe. 1000mm bedways. Not a toy lathe! :D But I don't want to spend too much money nontheless. I am thinking somewhere in the range of 8-10k eur. Can you guys recommend any?
03:25 PM miss0r: XXCoder: Sure. But time is an issue here.
03:26 PM miss0r: I would need to rebuild the spindle. the slide & crossslide. The compound is bad... The gearbox jumps out'a gears
03:26 PM miss0r: The leadscrew is warped
03:26 PM miss0r: but you can still make nice parts on it, if you keep this in mind
03:28 PM miss0r: also, the spindle nose is a ridiculous no more used ANYWHERE standard that I have to machine all the new accesories for
03:28 PM miss0r: I hesitate to even call it standard :D
03:28 PM XXCoder: lol
03:30 PM miss0r: also, for this size lathe (1500mm bedways) I find it realy annoying only to have a 35mm spindle bore
03:31 PM miss0r: That is often an annoyance
03:31 PM XXCoder: sounds like you do need a upgrade
03:34 PM miss0r: hehe.
03:35 PM miss0r: The only thing this lathe realy got going for it is the super precision bearings I slapped in the spindle some years back. If I 'only' use the spindle to hold a short part, I can make some realy realy precise turning and grinding with a grinder attachment. My runout is hardly measureable.
03:35 PM miss0r: but, as it would happen, I hardly ever turn realy short parts :]
03:35 PM XXCoder: lol
03:36 PM miss0r: I'm considering the german knuth
03:40 PM miss0r: Considering this model: https://www.kjv.dk/katalog/maskiner/drejebaenk/09dknturnado2301000v/
03:41 PM XXCoder: looks interesting
03:42 PM XXCoder: dont know enough to actually comment besides that heh
03:42 PM JT-Shop: looks very similar minus the DRO to my old Tiawan Samson lathe
03:42 PM miss0r: hehe. I don't know what the price is, though. I'd need to call someone about that. But I have a sneaking suspicion I can't afford it. I've done alot of maintenance on these in the field.. well, the 1500 models anyway. But it looks realy nice
03:43 PM miss0r: JT-Shop: Howd'ya like that one? :)
03:43 PM JT-Shop: looks nice but I can't read German lol
03:44 PM miss0r: me neither :D
03:44 PM miss0r: well. A little of it anyway
03:44 PM miss0r: Here in denmark you can't get by as a machine repair fellah' without knowing to read a bit of german
03:44 PM JT-Shop: I like the cover over the leadscrew
03:45 PM miss0r: That is the only thing making me want another model
03:46 PM miss0r: Its like a hard rubber coated fabric. It gets warn out a little too fast
03:46 PM gregcnc: lineageos is what I found when I looked for my older Samsung tablet
03:46 PM miss0r: I like the wound spring steel cover that some of them have. Those - if proberly maintained - will last forever
03:52 PM miss0r: If this lathe was just for hobby I would use it indefinitly... But it is realy starting to slow me down
03:55 PM gregcnc: iirc used market there is minimal?
03:55 PM miss0r: pretty much
03:57 PM gregcnc: Grizzly equal https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-22-x-60-Toolroom-Lathe/G0789
03:58 PM miss0r: yeah but that is a "1500mm"
03:58 PM miss0r: I want the shorter model
04:00 PM andypugh: I think calling that Grizzly a “Toolroom Lathe” is stretching the point.
04:00 PM miss0r: hows grizzly? quality wise?
04:01 PM jthornton: to the extreme!
04:01 PM miss0r: I feel like that name does not realy equal quality and precision
04:01 PM andypugh: One traditional reuirement for a toolroom lathe used to be that the bed width is greater than the centre height.
04:01 PM miss0r: jthornton: I was looking for a traditional wellbehaved kind of precision.. not TO THE EXTREME :D
04:01 PM jthornton: a buddy of mine bought a couple of griz manual mills and they had huge slop on the axes in no time
04:02 PM miss0r: andypugh: That is still very much the case
04:02 PM andypugh: I think that the same lathe, from the same factory, is available under many different brands.
04:02 PM jthornton: I'm talking about calling a griz a tool room anything
04:02 PM miss0r: Theres no dought I am looking for one of those chinese ones branded locally.. I simply can't afford the real stuff
04:09 PM andypugh: miss0r: Are you in .dk as hovering over your name indicates?
04:09 PM andypugh: Surely you can find a decent machine over the border in .de ?
04:10 PM miss0r: andypugh: Yeah, I am in DK.
04:10 PM miss0r: and sure, there are options in Germany.
04:11 PM miss0r: But the thing is: Buying used from Germany.. well, you never know what you get. Not because it is germany, just because it is used and shipped from afar.
04:11 PM miss0r: I might be better off just using what I've got :D
04:11 PM miss0r: But buying new, theres atleast some dealer ship I can call and make my case
04:11 PM andypugh: Another (EU, for the moment) source of cheap chinese tat: https://www.gatemachinery.com/product/g-460va
04:16 PM miss0r: hmm
04:16 PM * miss0r is seriously considering rebuilding at the moment
04:17 PM andypugh: What is your current lathe?
04:17 PM andypugh: rene_dev_: knows a scrapyard in Stuttgart that sometimes has lathes :-)
04:18 PM andypugh: (There was a lovely Schaublin in there last year when I visited)
04:27 PM miss0r: andypugh: At the moment I am running a Zelenda ZN150
04:32 PM andypugh: Looks very Soviet
04:35 PM miss0r: it is from the the USSR...
04:35 PM miss0r: eastern europe from when the USSR was in charge
04:35 PM andypugh: Not Czech?
04:35 PM miss0r: yup
04:35 PM andypugh: I was seriously looking at a russian lathe a while back. (Before I got my Holbrook)
04:35 PM andypugh: Ah, yes, that’s wjat you need. A Holbrook.
04:37 PM miss0r: I need something from this century :)
04:37 PM miss0r: But I like repairing holbrooks
04:37 PM miss0r: Nice equipment
04:38 PM DaViruz: i'm quite fond of the soviet lathes
04:38 PM andypugh: I wonder if anyoe has made an actual decent lathe this century?
04:38 PM DaViruz: the two speed feed joystick is brilliant
04:39 PM miss0r: I'm hoping DaVirus is shopping for a new lathe, so I can swoop it from under his nose... Thats how I got my surface grinder :D
04:39 PM andypugh: miss0r: Maybe https://www.colchester.co.uk/products/centre-lathes/harrison-centre-lathes/
04:39 PM DaViruz: miss0r: i might be!
04:40 PM DaViruz: a friend of mine has a really nice voest-alpine combination manual - cnc lathe
04:40 PM miss0r: I like colchester... But I don't like imperial stuff :D
04:40 PM DaViruz: it's hands down the best lathe i've ever used
04:40 PM miss0r: Honnestly, I considered getting a gildemeister
04:41 PM miss0r: I realy could use a CNC lathe in here, but I can't not have a manual lathe ;D
04:41 PM miss0r: Perhaps I'm looking for that sort of combination...
04:41 PM DaViruz: voest-alpine W 570
04:41 PM DaViruz: they seem to be quite rare though, i've only ever seen the one
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: DaViruz: heh, your nick is fitting for the current situation
04:42 PM miss0r: CaptHindsight: There there.. DaViruz is a hipster. He had the name BEFORE it got relevant.
04:43 PM miss0r: DaViruz: I feel like I have seen this particular model before
04:43 PM DaViruz: i have possibly raved on about it before
04:44 PM miss0r: hmm. might be.
04:44 PM DaViruz: it basically operates exactly like a manual lathe, but the handwheels are encoders and the feed levers are switches
04:45 PM DaViruz: and it's pretty simple to tell it to remove X diameter from Z length, make tapers and such
04:45 PM miss0r: I just finished turning this balancing mandrel for a surface grinder on my lathe: https://imgur.com/a/BNdPXOR
04:45 PM DaViruz: and the threading function is lovely
04:45 PM miss0r: It can still do nice work. but theres alot of compensation all the time
04:45 PM DaViruz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu-zXPVnJks
04:46 PM miss0r: yeah. If for no other reason, I would like to have a controlled lathe for the thread cutting :)
04:46 PM andypugh: DaViruz: That’s exaclty how my CNC Holbrook Minor works :-)
04:46 PM DaViruz: i know :)
04:47 PM andypugh: miss0r: See if you can find a Colchester Tornado?
04:48 PM miss0r: colchester.. I just don't like all the imperial sizes.. (I know I'm picky here)
04:48 PM miss0r: but one should not choose a lathe litely
04:48 PM andypugh: I think that you will find that they went metric at some point. Probably 40 years ago.
04:49 PM miss0r: only on the major components. All sheilding and covers are imperial up until probably 10 years ago
04:49 PM miss0r: colchester lathes are the sole reason I keep imperial tools in my work van :]
04:49 PM miss0r: that and haas...
04:49 PM andypugh: I probably don’t mean the Tornado
04:50 PM andypugh: One of the COlchester CNCs has mpgs out the front on the saddle and a small display there.
04:51 PM miss0r: I have realy considered this particular model: https://industry-pilot.com/ru/stanok_add/upload/70e33d8c7268c778f82d2c1f7ec44a22/45074/thumbnails_vorschau/GILDEMEISTER-NEF-320_6681-0.jpg
04:51 PM miss0r: Gildemeister NEF 320
04:51 PM andypugh: https://images.app.goo.gl/YGAhGmpsvyhv8Kh66
04:52 PM andypugh: The Gildermeister is too stylish :-)
04:52 PM miss0r: Cute
04:52 PM miss0r: haha
04:52 PM miss0r: Yeah, it wouldn't fit in here
04:52 PM miss0r: My "new" cnc mill also stands out
04:52 PM miss0r: It probably wouldn't mind some company
04:54 PM miss0r: https://www.machineseeker.com/gildemeister-nef+320/i-4306018 <- this is looking good
04:54 PM miss0r: and within my price range
04:54 PM miss0r: plus I am amble experience soldering some simodrives in there :) so maintenance should not be an issue
04:55 PM miss0r: sadly it seems to be missing the front door
05:02 PM syyl: carefull
05:02 PM syyl: a lot of the nef had faulty hardened beds
05:02 PM DaViruz: triumph, beware of oil leaks ;)
05:03 PM miss0r: syyl: True. But one that has been running for the past 20 years without deep gouging in the bedways should be alright :)
05:03 PM miss0r: DaViruz: I drive land rovers, I know what oil leak looks like :)
05:04 PM DaViruz: i expect it's handy beeing an electrician as well
05:04 PM miss0r: indeed
05:04 PM DaViruz: a friend of mine is a land rover enthusiast, to me it just seems like a lot of work
05:05 PM miss0r: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WUwAAOSw7fBa~IbP/s-l300.jpg
05:06 PM miss0r: the bottom one saved me a broken CV joint a few weeks ago... :)
05:06 PM andypugh: “One life, live it: Don’t waste it fixing Landrovers”
05:07 PM miss0r: I replaced the right hand seal because it was leaking. It was alot of work, so I was trying weather or not to replace the left one as it was not leaking.. I decided to change it just because if it is not leaking theres no oil in there.. and sure enough, it was bone dry in there
05:08 PM miss0r: andypugh: Yeah.. 'round here the love for land rovers is called "english sickness" and is defined by "The love for old english ladies with incontinence"
05:08 PM andypugh: :-)
05:08 PM miss0r: but thruth be told, I realy enjoy it
05:09 PM miss0r: so much so I own three. Two of which are registered and have lisence plates installed
05:09 PM _unreal_: wow busy in here
05:09 PM miss0r: _unreal_: Can't go out. The nasty bug will get us
05:09 PM _unreal_: lol
05:09 PM _unreal_: at least H1N1 has only killed 12K in the usa 2020 so far
05:10 PM DaViruz: actually i was a little unfair toward triumph. my trhiumph doesn't leak anything anywhere, while my suzuki leaked avery imaginable fluid
05:10 PM _unreal_: according to the CDC
05:11 PM _unreal_: DaViruz, I read triumph as Trump. i was like WAAAA? that doesnt make any sense what the hell is this guy talking about.
05:11 PM miss0r: DaViruz: Don't keep oil in it eh?
05:12 PM miss0r: I'll call it a night. See you around
05:12 PM _unreal_: weird driving. its ALWAYS a traffic jam in south florida
05:12 PM _unreal_: free and clear
05:13 PM _unreal_: I just got back from work
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: hey one mans fixing Land Rovers is another mans women and booze
05:18 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight, I think you miss spoke
05:18 PM _unreal_: its
05:19 PM _unreal_: "One mans fixing a land rover is an other mans (EASY) boozed up woman"
05:19 PM _unreal_: :)
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: no, it's not boozed up women
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: where did you grow up (eye roll)
05:20 PM _unreal_: Maine
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: another/an other for the grammar/spelling retentive
05:23 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight, https://z1073.com/watch-this-kid-do-a-perfect-downeast-maine-accent-video/
05:23 PM _unreal_: play video
05:24 PM _unreal_: https://youtu.be/QTxJaCFt3fg
05:25 PM _unreal_: OMG I called like 100% of every thing that guy says before he said it LOL
05:31 PM Deejay: gn8
05:40 PM CaptHindsight: pharmacies here are already out of Chloroquine
05:59 PM jthornton: a truck driver told my wife that down in Arkansas someone stole a trailer containing medical supplies and toilet paper...
05:59 PM _unreal_: Deejay dont you LEAVE!!!
06:00 PM _unreal_: :/ he leftr
06:00 PM _unreal_: left
06:28 PM _unreal_: ve7it, Whats new
07:44 PM _unreal_: just not fair. my daughter is kicking my ass at foosball
07:44 PM _unreal_: :(
07:46 PM _unreal_: everyone must be milling
07:46 PM Tom_L: or in a plastic bubble
09:06 PM _unreal_: lol
09:27 PM unterhaus: I'm 3d printing a plastic bubble
09:29 PM * infornography pops bubble
09:32 PM ve7it: _unreal_, hey! how goes the dspic wars?