#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 01 2020

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:56 AM veegee: Why do the 1/2" drive non-impact sockets only come in 12 point?
01:01 AM veegee: the 3/8" drive ones come in 6 point
01:01 AM veegee: Shouldn't it be the other way around? You typically put more torque with a 1/2" drive wrench
01:55 AM Deejay: moin
02:22 AM veegee: Deejay do you do any actual audio stuff?
02:23 AM Deejay: audio? nope
02:48 AM XXCoder: I think some celtic pattern is little too fine detailed for 30 mm wide lol
04:11 AM p0g0: veegee, look for the "impact wrench" class sockets, I have 6 point 1/2" sockets, both standard and deep well
04:11 AM veegee: I know, the impact sockets are all 6 point
04:11 AM p0g0: then what is the question?
04:11 AM veegee: But they're very thick compared to non impact, which is why I use standard non-impact sockets for my torque wrenches
04:12 AM veegee: sometimes they don't fit where a normal thin wall non impact socket will fit easily
04:12 AM p0g0: You'll do that with the lifetime guarantee ones. Craftsman or such- you will shred them at some point.
04:13 AM veegee: Yeah so I'm looking for a decent set of 1/2" drive 6 point sockets
04:13 AM veegee: brb I hear a mouse, going to catch it bare handed
04:13 AM veegee: and keep it as a pet
04:13 AM veegee: already have 6
04:14 AM veegee: Jerks on the lower floor of our office put kill traps and poisons . Monsters
04:15 AM veegee: LOL never mind didn't need to chase it, it ran right into my humane trap
04:15 AM p0g0: In my experience it is rare that I need such high torque in places I can't fit an impact class socket- it will happen, I don't recall when it has happened to me. I certainly have needed a thin wall for some stuff,and have broken more than my share of sockets.
04:15 AM p0g0: Hanta Virus much?
04:15 AM p0g0: mouse pee can kill you
04:15 AM veegee: I have a background in immunology, virology, human biology
04:15 AM p0g0: And?
04:15 AM veegee: So... fear mongering doesn't work on me
04:16 AM p0g0: so much for sanity...
04:16 AM veegee: these are house mice, and the virus doesn't exist in this region
04:16 AM veegee: so they couldn't have acquired it
04:16 AM veegee: also been doing this for years
04:16 AM veegee: I'm perfectly healthy
04:16 AM veegee: Fun fact: 100% of disease I acquired is from filthy humans
04:16 AM p0g0: I don't know where you are..
04:16 AM veegee: 0% from my pets
04:16 AM p0g0: wow...
04:17 AM veegee: Toronto
04:17 AM veegee: It's fun watching people lose their shit over COVID-19
04:17 AM veegee: lowest mortality rate ever
04:17 AM veegee: more people die from the flu every year
04:17 AM veegee: and everyone is running around batshit scared like a chicken with its head cut off
04:18 AM veegee: Mainstream media has no scientific education so they don't know jack shit and are making things worse
05:15 AM jthornton: morning
05:16 AM XXCoder: hey
05:23 AM XXCoder: jthornton: my machine need more weight LOL
05:23 AM jthornton: which one
05:23 AM XXCoder: laser engraver
05:24 AM XXCoder: its moving around a little when accel is higher than 500 mm/s
05:24 AM XXCoder: &2
05:24 AM selroc: hello
05:24 AM XXCoder: hey
05:24 AM selroc: I have to say that PyCAM is lacking maintenance
05:25 AM selroc: seb, is it you in charge?
05:44 AM XXCoder: jthornton: I found a way to tune my machine. i have infinity symbol, it has long curves and strights
05:44 AM XXCoder: just set to max speed and see if strights is faster
05:44 AM XXCoder: if it is. either accel is too low or max speed is too high
05:44 AM jthornton: nice
05:45 AM XXCoder: yeah
05:45 AM XXCoder: learning a LOT
05:46 AM p0g0: Is there a name for code that preens already gcode files? It isn't post-processing per se afaict, I'd like to remap tool paths to travel to the next nearest milling locale, for example.
05:46 AM p0g0: *already made gcode files
06:01 AM XXCoder: perfect infinity cardboard.
06:01 AM XXCoder: it takes a hour.
06:04 AM p0g0: XXCoder, while browsing about for gcode optimisers on github, I saw gcode-depths-to-shades for laser based rigs, z axis stuff is used to assign the dwell time for the laser-if it works, you'd get continuous tone greyscales.
06:04 AM p0g0: if that interests you.
06:04 AM XXCoder: interesting. laserweb uses power of laser to do grayscale
06:05 AM p0g0: Maybe that is how it does it, I just saw the title.
06:07 AM XXCoder: maybe?
06:08 AM XXCoder: it might be for machines that cant alter strength
06:09 AM jthornton: I can't understand why all themes are going to washed out pastel colors that just blend together and suck trying see anything
06:10 AM XXCoder: websites have same issue with text color and background. I call it white virus
06:10 AM XXCoder: because designers keep seeing it and getting infected with it and design more sites like it
06:11 AM jthornton: yea they are all a bunch of dumb asses
06:11 AM p0g0: I can only suggest that you use ctrl-a or such to highlight everything, that usually makes text visible.
06:11 AM XXCoder: no help p0. jt I highly recommand dark mode plugin if you use firefox
06:11 AM p0g0: Yeah, changing themes would be the better route.
06:12 AM jthornton: I looked at that once
06:15 AM jthornton: interesting that the "offical" rpi 7" touch screen the preferences setting page is bigger than the screen so you can't save anything
06:16 AM XXCoder: geez
06:16 AM XXCoder: not high enough dpi
06:16 AM XXCoder: guess they didnt check usability?
06:18 AM jthornton: i guess no one used it
06:18 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:20 AM jthornton: finally found a font that made it so I could see the top of the save button lol
06:20 AM XXCoder: :D
06:21 AM XXCoder: hack of the day
06:23 AM XXCoder: i like this project https://youtu.be/9j-HeCZQ8SU
06:23 AM XXCoder: kick lift caster for router table
06:30 AM jthornton: not for your average handyman
06:30 AM XXCoder: let alone guy like me heh
06:30 AM XXCoder: i predict i just need few tools
06:31 AM XXCoder: cnc roter of course, table saw, belt sander stuff, saw and router table
06:31 AM jthornton: I wonder why he heated the music wire
06:32 AM XXCoder: what time?
06:33 AM jthornton: ~10:50
06:33 AM XXCoder: ah im there now lol
06:33 AM XXCoder: annealing?
06:34 AM jthornton: not needed, I've wound lots of music wire as is
06:34 AM XXCoder: interesting. dunno
06:34 AM jthornton: of course you could not bend it with a couple of wood screws as is lol
06:37 AM XXCoder: lol whats you use
06:37 AM jymmmm: good morning
06:38 AM XXCoder: hey
06:40 AM jthornton: https://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tips/techniques/skills/sharpening-with-waterstones
06:41 AM jthornton: that's an interesting waterstone station
06:42 AM sync: jthornton: I see nothing that is not possible for the average guy
06:42 AM jthornton: the average guy with a welder, a CNC router yea
06:43 AM jthornton: most average guys don't have either one
06:44 AM sync: you don't really need the router
06:44 AM XXCoder: i learned a lot from robertz
06:44 AM XXCoder: he grinds stones to each other after each use
06:45 AM jthornton: yea the coarse stone can flatten the finer one
06:45 AM XXCoder: he have set that have rough side and finer side on both blocks
06:46 AM sync: also you don't need to weld anything in that table
06:46 AM sync: XXCoder: that's a bit different tho
06:46 AM sync: his stones are precision ground
06:46 AM XXCoder: indeed
06:47 AM XXCoder: but same usage pattern can keep stones flat always.
06:48 AM jthornton: who is robertz
06:48 AM XXCoder: i kinda mispelled name but hes precusion guy on yt
06:48 AM XXCoder: we talked about his spindle rebuild recently
06:51 AM jthornton: I sorta remember that
06:52 AM XXCoder: seem to me every wood guy invents their own logo
06:58 AM jthornton: yea and if they are hand wavers and in your face I don't watch it
06:58 AM XXCoder: you might like this one https://youtu.be/iB7CP0O8xqM
07:02 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: I can totally build that router table in 20 minutes! And why yes, I HAVE been smoking what NorCal is famous for =)
07:03 AM XXCoder: lol
07:04 AM XXCoder: one face and 3 infinity symbols from cardboard. not a bad days work lol
07:05 AM XXCoder: one failure, and one i had to trim a little (testing how many times cut before it gets though cardboard)
07:08 AM jymmmm: jthornton: It's interesting, when I've seen japanese waterstones in use, they have a completely different setup - with some sort of tray the stone is placed into which is almost twice as long as the stone itself. Sorry, I dont have any ref at the moment.
07:09 AM XXCoder: oh yeah and two thi9ck paper face and bunch of tests with blue masking tape. its blue so blue laser really vaporizes it hard
07:09 AM XXCoder: jy yeah that weird knife maker guy uses such system
07:09 AM XXCoder: he have many different stones
07:10 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: nods
07:10 AM XXCoder: his latest is dark choculute knife
07:13 AM _unreal_: yawn
07:15 AM XXCoder: jt one of reasons I like that guy in last video is hes small project, and hes just direct on talking. not very jokey at all
07:17 AM jthornton: yea his video is about the content
07:20 AM XXCoder: yeah
07:21 AM XXCoder: bah
07:21 AM XXCoder: anyway off to bed laters
07:25 AM JT-Shop: night
07:27 AM p0g0: I think that whetting a pair of stones is more about hard vs soft as much as coarse vs fine.
07:27 AM p0g0: If the two are she same hardness, you might be right.
07:27 AM p0g0: *the
07:28 AM JT-Shop: I think I'll just use my surface grinder to keep my wetstones flat
07:28 AM p0g0: But I'd still wonder if the fine wouldn't out wear the course, the surface area of the coarse that is in contact is smaller.
07:29 AM p0g0: I have a tool that is made for surfacing round stones. A handle, a set of independent wheels that have industrial diamond embedded.
07:29 AM p0g0: Spin the stone, hold the tool at a slight oblique
07:30 AM JT-Shop: test out your theory and let us know if it worked or not
07:30 AM p0g0: The surface grinder will hollow grind unless you move it across the face, right?
07:32 AM p0g0: It's ancient tech, pyramid era at least, to use whetted stones to flatten. I am not sure there is really much to test or prove.
07:32 AM p0g0: How did those Mayans flatten all those rocks?
07:33 AM p0g0: Faces so accurate that you cannot fit a feeler gauge between the stones.
07:38 AM unterhaus_: I worked for a guy that tested a lot of the theories about flattening stones. Using two identical stones works fine
07:39 AM unterhaus_: they also wear each other flat. Some people insist that using only two stones makes them cup, but it's not true
07:41 AM p0g0: I agree, and it's kinda standard journal bearing engineering. How could two flats make a cup anyway?
07:42 AM p0g0: Look at all the early failures in grinding lenses, making concaves is difficult.
07:44 AM unterhaus_: I have two norton flattening stones. People don't like them for some reason, but they work for me
07:44 AM unterhaus_: my theory was that a single one will not stay flat
07:45 AM unterhaus_: I belong to a facebook sharpening group. Someone on there was selling oilstones from Crete. I really wanted one but resisted
07:48 AM p0g0: Here, the "Arkansas whetstones" are favored for hardness/fine-ness. I'm pretty sure the meta-material folks will clean all our clocks soon tho.
07:49 AM unterhaus_: the guy that used to sponsor a lot of my work makes stones in pairs. Hated doing it, so he kept raising the prices. people still bought them
07:50 AM unterhaus_: pretty sure the raw material was just a commercial stone, but then it goes on a machine for a while to get really flat
07:52 AM unterhaus_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB8dd3r7qiA
07:58 AM JT-Shop: p0g0, what do you mean by hollow grind on a surface grinder?
08:00 AM p0g0: I mean that in some orientations, you'll cut a hollow concave face, in others, whth wear, you'll get a tapered face normal to the rotation axis of the stone, only if you rack the grinding wheel across the face with precision can you cut a flat on that wheel.
08:02 AM JT-Shop: do you know what a surface grinder is? I have a Brown and Sharpe 612...
08:05 AM p0g0: JT-Shop, OK, I mistook that for the more common wheel grinders. you have a real surfacing tool, my mistake.
08:06 AM unterhaus_: They had a couple of surface grinders at work. Wonder if they are going up for auction this year
08:07 AM unterhaus_: They replaced the spindle on the little one, don't think it ever got used.
08:15 AM JT-Shop: yea I could see someone trying to flatten a waterstone with an angle grinder... there's prob a putube video already
08:15 AM JT-Shop: when I got home with the 612 I found out pretty fast why it was so cheap
08:16 AM unterhaus_: spindle?
08:16 AM JT-Shop: the guy I bought it from didn't know the proper placement of the X axis bearings
08:16 AM JT-Shop: table was not level as the bearings were installed wrong
08:17 AM unterhaus_: the table just sits on the bearings, right?
08:17 AM gregcnc: I lack grinders
08:17 AM gregcnc: and space for them
08:17 AM JT-Shop: yea, roller bearings in a cage but the bearings must be alternating
08:17 AM unterhaus_: I know someone that bought a new BP and a new grinder at the same time. I helped move them into his basement
08:18 AM * JT-Shop just got more floor space yesterday when the Enco mill got a new zip code
08:18 AM JT-Shop: that must have been pricey
08:18 AM unterhaus_: I thought it was ridiculous, and then his BP bearings died on the first job he used it for
08:19 AM unterhaus_: but he had not used it until the warranty period was up, so BP wanted $$ to fix it
08:19 AM gregcnc: spindle bearings?
08:19 AM unterhaus_: yes
08:19 AM unterhaus_: probably would have been expensive to fix because I'm sure the spindle was made wrong
08:20 AM JT-Shop: wow that sucked
08:20 AM unterhaus_: that's something I would do
08:20 AM gregcnc: i would check it as soon as i could?
08:20 AM unterhaus_: yeah, I would think about it :)
08:20 AM gregcnc: lol but never get around to it?
08:21 AM unterhaus_: exactly
08:23 AM gregcnc: yeah we all have that something we really needed, overnighted, and never touched
08:23 AM unterhaus_: of course, I would'nt spend $10k on a new BP
08:23 AM unterhaus_: I generally don't go for overnight on anything
08:24 AM unterhaus_: 'cause I know I'm not going to get to it tomorrow
08:24 AM JT-Shop: and for once I sold something for more than I paid for it :)
08:24 AM gregcnc: right, I learned my lesson 20 years ago
08:25 AM gregcnc: the Enco?
08:25 AM gregcnc: machinery prices are way up, everybody is a "maker"
08:28 AM unterhaus_: we have a new makerspace starting up. Hopefully they get some machines
08:28 AM unterhaus_: the old one was just 3 crapped out 3d printers
08:28 AM gregcnc: what are they starting with?
08:29 AM unterhaus_: https://therivet.org/the-workshop/
08:30 AM unterhaus_: I thought about joining one in Pittsburgh, but a 3 hour drive each way is too far
08:30 AM unterhaus_: they got most of the equipment from the brand name makerspace that shut down
08:31 AM unterhaus_: at the local one, they have plans for the things I would use if I make a donation
08:43 AM mr_boo: i've found that the t-slot plate that makes up a cnc table is a pretty expensive part of a cnc
08:43 AM unterhaus_: you really don't need one
08:44 AM mr_boo: trying to figure out a good alternative
08:45 AM unterhaus_: most people just have a waste board that they flatten to the cnc
08:45 AM unterhaus_: gets too many holes in it, new waste board. Whatever a sheet of mdf costs
08:46 AM unterhaus_: ^flatten with the cnc
08:46 AM gregcnc: woodwork vs metalwork
08:47 AM mr_boo: even if i had a t-slot table under i'd use a particleboard between workpiece and table
08:49 AM unterhaus_: there is one guy using the Shapeoko xxl for metal and he uses a mdf wasteboard
08:50 AM unterhaus_: it's not like you are going to overcome the slop in the system with the hold down method
08:50 AM gregcnc: If that sort of tolerance is OK. Does shapeoko have MDF bolted to the rails?
08:51 AM unterhaus_: I am pretty sure it is just fastened down at the corners
08:51 AM unterhaus_: are those t-slot tables really flat?
08:51 AM gregcnc: oh that's a gantry
08:52 AM unterhaus_: I assumed we were talking cnc router
08:52 AM unterhaus_: otherwise the table is provided
08:52 AM gregcnc: unless you build your own
08:53 AM unterhaus_: yes, well, to each their own, I have some of ginergy's books
08:53 AM unterhaus_: I did think about making a small mill, sanity prevailed
08:53 AM gregcnc: I had a tslot table made for the mill I built in 2005?
08:54 AM unterhaus_: if you can call a BP series II sanity. Some might not think so
08:54 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
08:54 AM unterhaus_: my mill design would have worked pretty well I think, but I ended up using the parts at work
08:55 AM unterhaus_: I had an x and y axis, ballscrews. Never did work out the z
08:56 AM unterhaus_: we made something to sharpen razor blades for a large razor blade manufacturer for some reason :)
08:57 AM unterhaus_: actually got close to installing something on their research line, but then they started using that line in production
08:58 AM mr_boo: wouldn't a base plate for a cnc made of wood be a bad idea?
08:59 AM unterhaus_: depends on the forces
08:59 AM unterhaus_: are you going to be milling metal?
09:00 AM unterhaus_: most small cnc are not rigid enough to cause mdf any problems
09:00 AM unterhaus_: I would say that if the cost of a t slot table is the problem, try using mdf
09:00 AM unterhaus_: still be a good learning experience
09:01 AM unterhaus_: is this a gantry/router system?
09:03 AM mr_boo: i'd like to get my hands on an affordable t-slot plate
09:04 AM mr_boo: i'd like to mill metal
09:07 AM mr_boo: i think i'm going to try to make a router system
09:07 AM unterhaus_: I see people on the shapeoko fb page using mdf, mdf with aluminum t-slot, and aluminum with holes drilled in it
09:07 AM unterhaus_: not too many with the full t-slot tables
09:09 AM unterhaus_: I think the most common is mdf with a grid of holes with t-nuts
09:13 AM unterhaus_: definitely worth doing some research.
09:14 AM unterhaus_: I think a big piece of mic-6 would work pretty well. Probably pretty flat.
09:17 AM JT-Shop: yea mic-6 is nice to work with
09:17 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
09:17 AM unterhaus_: not cheap though
09:18 AM mr_boo: i'm still asking myself if i really want to try to build a cnc
09:18 AM mr_boo: haven't spent a lot of money so far though
09:19 AM unterhaus_: it's a good way to waste a lot of money, I hate to think
09:19 AM mr_boo: i've spent some on ball bearings and the biggest expense so far are the stepper motors
09:20 AM mr_boo: and they were so mashed up in transit so i couldn't resell them
09:20 AM unterhaus_: that's bad. I have one servo that was broken in shipping, I should have asked for compensation
09:21 AM unterhaus_: 1 of 4 corners broken off
09:21 AM unterhaus_: I got it for cheap though, I used to buy any servo on ebay that went for less than $50
09:21 AM mr_boo: seriously my steppers came in a plastic bag with no packing material in it
09:24 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
09:25 AM unterhaus_: I believe it, some people just aren't cut out to ship things. I once shipped a pair of bike tires more securely than some breakable things I have received
09:28 AM mr_boo: maybe if i got my hand on a 35x70cm aluminium plate i could drill the holes in it myself
09:28 AM unterhaus_: but the way servo motors are shipped from the factory is just a form-fitting cardboard box, it doesn't take much
09:28 AM mr_boo: buit that would ruin its flatness wouldn't it
09:28 AM unterhaus_: probably would be fine
09:28 AM unterhaus_: drill the holes with the cnc
09:29 AM unterhaus_: but you do need to countersink a little.
09:29 AM mr_boo: i could probably be good with small holes
09:29 AM unterhaus_: if you want it really flat, that is
09:29 AM unterhaus_: aluminum isn't going to warp because of holes
09:30 AM mr_boo: as long as the plate comes with holes or t-slot then its way more expensive than just a plain plate
09:31 AM unterhaus_: find a used optical table
09:31 AM unterhaus_: or just drill holes when you need them
09:32 AM unterhaus_: this is not the hard part of a cnc
09:32 AM mr_boo: the important thing is of course the flatness of the table
09:33 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
09:34 AM unterhaus_: that's why mdf is so nice. Although I know people that have skim cut their milling machine tables
09:34 AM unterhaus_: although crappy machine > no machine
09:36 AM unterhaus_: I'm going to go drill some holes in my crummy lathe for an encoder
09:37 AM mr_boo: although i have no experience of building a cnc there are some things that i'll require and those are 1) no backlash 2) no skewness 3) stiffness in axes
09:42 AM mr_boo: maybe it would be wiser to save money for a commercial cnc instead
09:43 AM mr_boo: but i've been told the ratio of price/value is pretty poor for cncs in general
09:52 AM unterhaus_: get a shapoko XXL, make a better cnc with it, sell the shapoko. There are plenty in that price range, not too much of a premium over the parts
09:53 AM unterhaus_: the nice thing about machine tools is you can make a better one on a worse one. Or else we wouldn't be where we are
09:55 AM mr_boo: do some manufacturers provide much better when it comes to value than others?
09:56 AM mr_boo: is for example Shapoko known to do great stuff?
10:12 AM unterhaus_: there are a number of cnc companies that are competing at the low end. Don't know if one is better than the others.
10:13 AM unterhaus_: I'm just using shapeoko as an example because they work. But you might want to look at the upgraded z axis
10:14 AM unterhaus_: I guarantee that if you diy, you will waste that much money
10:16 AM _unreal_: ok time to mill a rather large part
10:16 AM _unreal_: for my machine
10:23 AM Tom_L: so _unreal_ you gonna finish your mill today?
10:29 AM unterhaus_: I know better than to over-constrain a system, and yet here I am
10:33 AM _unreal_: not even hardly likely Tom_L
10:33 AM _unreal_: My father destroyed yesterday. and looks like hes going to destroy my ablity to do anything today as wqell
10:34 AM _unreal_: decided he wanted to go look at cars to buy. decided he wasnt going to leave the car dealer till he owned a car. 6 FUCKING HOURS
10:35 AM _unreal_: today he has decided that its going to be parked in the garage. which he has packed to the brim with SHIT that needs to be thrown away. and he thinks he's going to park his car in there
10:35 AM _unreal_: durring the hurricain last year he decided I'm GOING to put my car in there. and it took 8 hours to clear enough crap just to fit my car in period
10:36 AM _unreal_: he has two table saw's two band saws two drill presses, a sand blaster cabinet. and lots of trash that should be thrown away. and LOTS of other stuff and a motor cycle. and a one car gurage.
10:38 AM unterhaus_: dad better get to it then
10:38 AM unterhaus_: or buy a tent for the car
10:43 AM Loetmichel: *GNAH!* JUUUST fixed that &%Q§$§%"/ bowden cable that opens the hood on the BMW 525i, refilled the dire needed Fluids (oil, cooling, window washer), replaced the two running light bulbs that were gone since months... WHAT a pain in the A** to get to that cable... Just as i was finishing up the driver side window did break lose of its mechanics. You can hear the lift motor and linkage move,
10:43 AM Loetmichel: but the glass doesent. It doesent end, does it? THATs what you get for buying 20 year old cheap beater cars :-(
10:44 AM _unreal_: he just purchased a used hertz car
10:44 AM _unreal_: 40k on it been outside its entire life..
10:59 AM unterhaus_: I recently totaled a car with 140k miles on it. Outside most of its life. Ran into a dog. Bad for the car, fatal for the dog
11:11 AM _unreal_: ok milling has started
11:13 AM _unreal_: lets see how long it takes before I get told we are going to do the impossible
11:13 AM _unreal_: I'm not kidding when I say its just a wall of SHIT going in there
11:15 AM _unreal_: I'm doing a 3d round over job on this part I'm making
11:15 AM _unreal_: Icould get away with out doing it but it will leave a VERY sharp edge on this acrylic cover
11:16 AM _unreal_: and there is an ESTOP button that this cover/idler is part of making it so that the belt is out of the way and semi protected from fingers
11:16 AM _unreal_: for the X axis
11:16 AM _unreal_: I have two parts to make, the outside acrylic 1/2" cover and an aluminum 1/4" plate/other side of the idlers central dowel mount
11:21 AM _unreal_: Loetmichel, never been a fan of poly window linkages
11:22 AM Loetmichel: i actually dont know if its steel or plastic
11:22 AM _unreal_: Loetmichel, metal one's almost never break
11:23 AM Loetmichel: but i know i can move the window by hand if i press the "down" button and its not attached to the mechanics any more
11:23 AM _unreal_: plastic one's most commonly break during the winter months btw
11:23 AM Loetmichel: i assume the glass slipped out of the steel "clip" on the bottom
11:23 AM Loetmichel: i cant hear any grinding noises of a damaged linkage
11:24 AM Loetmichel: but i can hear it move smoothliy
11:24 AM Loetmichel: just that the glass is no longer attached to it
11:24 AM _unreal_: typically they are a pusher
11:24 AM _unreal_: and fold
11:24 AM _unreal_: normal breakage is near the glass attachment point
11:24 AM _unreal_: with in 5"
11:24 AM Loetmichel: i can also move the linkage down, move the window dont by hand, and then press the "up" button to close it again
11:25 AM Loetmichel: so i doubt the linkage is damaged
11:25 AM _unreal_: could be a pin who knows
11:25 AM _unreal_: my guess would be broken at the top
11:27 AM Loetmichel: _unreal_: https://www.kfzteile24.de/artikeldetails?ktypnr=15272&returnTo=rm%3DshowArticles%26ktypnr%3D15272%26node%3D0%252C1%252C100335%252C100751%2314&search=1115-1370
11:27 AM Loetmichel: i think it slipped out of the two metal clips there
11:29 AM Loetmichel: point was that i am thinking i will NEVER have a car thats working in all places. SOMETHING is always broken :-(
11:32 AM _unreal_: Oh.. cable drive interesting
11:33 AM _unreal_: My money is on the plastic clips that attach to the window its self
11:33 AM _unreal_: one or both
11:34 AM _unreal_: I assume you have not taken the inner wall off of the door?
11:53 AM Javabean: Loetmichel: that is why i haven't fixed my cabin air thermostat nor my stereo
12:37 PM Loetmichel: _unreal_: correct. was shying away from it until i bought at least a 10 pack of replacement clips ;)
12:39 PM unterhaus_: somehow I don't think that not fixing one thing will keep another from breaking, but it would be an interesting experiment
12:49 PM unterhaus_: got the first hole in my lathe drilled. Now if I could just find the 4mm t-handle
12:49 PM Javabean: is it with the 10mm socket?
12:58 PM unterhaus_: no, I don't have too many problems finding those
12:59 PM Javabean: grrr, your lucky
01:00 PM unterhaus_: I always had trouble with 7/16" sockets.
01:02 PM Javabean: meh, those are easy for me...and many others it seems. the 10mm sockets have a meme about disappearing
01:04 PM unterhaus_: I guess I don't use too many hex head metric screws
01:04 PM unterhaus_: I have some somewhere.
01:04 PM gregcnc: if you work on cars you know the 10mm socket's tendencies
01:05 PM * Javabean is busted
01:05 PM Loetmichel: Javabean: also 8mm and 7mm if you are into small electronics
01:05 PM Loetmichel: and phillips #0 and #1
01:05 PM Loetmichel: bits
01:05 PM Javabean: don't forget 5mm if you mess with m3
01:05 PM Loetmichel: 5.5
01:05 PM Loetmichel: not 5
01:05 PM Loetmichel: that wouldnt fit ;)
01:06 PM unterhaus_: I tend to lose things if they are somewhere around the house. Sockets get used in the garage, either on bicycles or cars
01:06 PM Javabean: hmmm... i guess it has been a while since i had to touch m3... guess that means tearing apart/building-anew a railcore
01:07 PM Loetmichel: maaan that SDcard i installed the octopi on is BAAAD... 8gb class one i found in my drawer... took about 2 hours just to install libreoffice...
01:07 PM Javabean: class one?? they made those in 8gb?
01:08 PM Loetmichel: Javabean: obviously
01:08 PM Javabean: but the original readers can't handle them
01:18 PM unterhaus_: speaking of not being able to find something, can't find my phone
01:21 PM unterhaus_: okay, leaving it on do not disturb probably isn't the best idea
01:23 PM Javabean: i usually find mine in the couch cushions
01:27 PM * Loetmichel has his in a belt pouch made of 1,5mm alu
01:28 PM Loetmichel: it doesent disappear EVER
01:28 PM Loetmichel: also its a note3... and still the first display ;)
01:34 PM unterhaus_: it was in my coat pocket
01:37 PM JT-Shop: crap the 16' 2x6 I need is behind a pile of red oak boards and under a pile of cedar siding...
01:37 PM JT-Shop: who is the idiot that put that there?
01:39 PM unterhaus_: a wood pile is the worst thing
01:39 PM unterhaus_: I have been giving away my short stock. Hate to see it go, but it's so annoying
01:47 PM JT-Shop: I have a good rack for 2x up to 10' and another one inside for ply and 1x stock
01:48 PM JT-Shop: making a drying rack from some screwed up parts 10' and 20" deep to be fastened to the side of the shop under the lean too
01:49 PM JT-Shop: just figured out an out of the way place for 16' stuff...
01:49 PM unterhaus_: my wood stash is mostly under the front porch. It's a pain to get to. Maybe if I ever finished a project?
01:53 PM skunkworks: wow - I think for a machine control using mesa - you could get by with 1gb rpi4
01:53 PM skunkworks: running at 1800mhz helps a little too
02:08 PM gregcnc: two things I learned today dardelet thread and releasing tap holders I'd seen releasing tap holders in video many times, now I know why I need one
02:15 PM rue_mohr: gregcnc, https://twitter.com/RueNahcMohr/status/1233990166143856640
02:15 PM * JT-Shop hopes skunkworks took good notes on the rpi4
02:20 PM gregcnc: rue_mohr I have a tapmatic reversing head for that, but releasing holders are old school for lathe
02:21 PM rue_mohr: :)
02:22 PM pcw_home: My RPI3 setup with 1G would crash with if you rotated a very dense backplot (out of memory...)
02:37 PM JT-Shop: anyone need a tapmatic?
02:37 PM elmo40: JT-Shop, i love my tap-o-matic head
02:37 PM elmo40: could always use a second one ;-)
02:37 PM elmo40: just... because...
02:39 PM jymmmm: I thought it was rPi5 now?
02:40 PM unterhaus: I would like to have a tapmatic, but I have tap collets instead
02:42 PM elmo40: unterhaus, tap-o-matic is for a manual drill press. Collets are for machines that go in reverse.
02:46 PM JT-Shop: elmo40, I have one for sale
02:46 PM gregcnc: is tap-o-matic, different than tapmatic?
02:51 PM elmo40: maybe?
02:52 PM gregcnc: you are thinking automatic reversing tapping head
03:32 PM Loetmichel: *MAAAAN* Sometimes i am SO clumsy. "Kaputtrepariert" as we say in german. tried to resolder the ardunio and the ramps for the 3d printer because it was missing pins... now its completely dead... shorted the 12V to a datapin accidentally and didnt notice.
03:33 PM Javabean: rip... time to get a sammich
03:33 PM Javabean: ^new sammich.... grah
03:42 PM Tom_L: slap another mega328 in it and hop on down the road
03:54 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L only have mega8 at hand and they need mega2560
03:56 PM Tom_L: ahh it's a bigger ardweenie
03:56 PM Tom_L: those are smt too iirc
03:56 PM Loetmichel: yes
03:57 PM Loetmichel: thats not a problem though
03:57 PM Tom_L: i know
03:57 PM Loetmichel: if i had a coffee and have some good glasses on my nose ;)
03:57 PM Tom_L: you need an isp to get the bootloader in but from there it's an ardweenie again
03:57 PM Loetmichel: i know
03:58 PM Loetmichel: i usually program my mega8 directly in assembler
03:58 PM Tom_L: i don't remember if you need to change fuse settings on those or not
03:58 PM Loetmichel: the only arduino i have is the one in the printer ;)
03:58 PM Tom_L: i used to make programmers for em
03:59 PM Loetmichel: yeah, you'll find an uasbasp here in every other drawer ;)
03:59 PM XXCoder: https://imgur.com/a/SJAUVdh
04:00 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTinyMkII_1-1c_top.jpg
04:00 PM Tom_L: mine did all 3 protocols
04:00 PM Tom_L: and had a built on recovery clock in case you bricked it
04:01 PM Loetmichel: haha
04:01 PM Loetmichel: always reused the 6mhz from an USB hub for that
04:07 PM Tom_L: i think i soldered ~200 of those by hand before i made my toaster oven
04:15 PM Deejay: gn8
04:19 PM skunkworks: JT-Shop: nots
04:19 PM skunkworks: JT-Shop: notes? what are those?
04:23 PM JT-Shop: lol
04:23 PM JT-Shop: I'll just mail mine to you for updates
05:23 PM infornography: anyone using dxf2gcode?
05:28 PM infornography: also, pro-tip. put sliced jalapenos and bacon on a grilled cheese sandwich.
05:30 PM jthornton: pro-tip don't eat grilled cheese sandwiches if you don't want to look like bacon
05:31 PM infornography: :o
05:32 PM * jthornton wonders why it's so friken hard to just play a mp3 in python
05:32 PM jthornton: there is a thousand examples that don't work at all
05:33 PM Tom_L: still workin on the pi code?
05:36 PM jthornton: yea, I got time... not getting the Cinnamon Queens till we return from our vacation the week before memorial day
05:37 PM jthornton: going to Cuba tomorrow to wrap up the Poka-Yoke project
05:46 PM XXCoder: jthornton: you sure its not speaker thats unplugged? ;)
05:47 PM jthornton: VLC plays fine, the speakers are built into the monitor on this pc
05:49 PM XXCoder: :) ya doubted it was but its surpsing common to find out it was dumb
05:50 PM jthornton: yea, it should be simple as falling down
05:50 PM _unreal_: amazing so my father basicly didnt do anything today heh
05:50 PM unterhaus: It's saag paneer sunday
05:50 PM Tom_L: jthornton, does it need a certain audio codec to work?
05:51 PM _unreal_: I was able to get the two major parts I need to get the X axis belt system setup
05:51 PM _unreal_: I'm minus some all thread for one part of it but its more or less finished AND I need to adjust the motor mount a bit
05:51 PM jthornton: Tom_L, not that I know of, the issue is with python-vlc and pyqt5 lack of documentation
05:51 PM _unreal_: I need to mill my slots a little more. they dont let the motor slide far enough to fully tension the belt
05:52 PM jthornton: examples that no longer work because the code has changed etc.
05:52 PM _unreal_: ve7it, how goes it
05:52 PM * jthornton goes to tell the hens a bed time story and tuck them in
05:53 PM Tom_L: https://docs.python.org/3/library/codecs.html
05:54 PM Tom_L: just in case....
05:55 PM unterhaus: I guess I'm never going to find a starrett 98-6 on ebay for a reasonable price
05:56 PM andypugh: They are only $140 new
05:56 PM unterhaus: unreasonable prices on ebay require both buyers and sellers to fail to check Amazon for new price
05:57 PM andypugh: Why that particular thing?
05:57 PM unterhaus: it's useful
05:57 PM andypugh: Yes, but there are better ones
05:58 PM unterhaus: but only about $50 useful, not $126 useful
05:58 PM unterhaus: the machinist levels have the advantage that they aren't so precise that I get a headache using them
05:58 PM XXCoder: fancy blance eh
05:59 PM unterhaus: I was admiring the precision 6" levels on amazon.
05:59 PM andypugh: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114133335606
06:01 PM andypugh: (My suggestion being to look for forgotten but high-quality makers, like Hilger and Watts or Troughton and Simms)
06:05 PM unterhaus: hilger and watts has a big fan base too
06:07 PM unterhaus: "machinist level" seems to translate somehow to "used as an anvil"
06:09 PM elmo40: everything can be either a hammer or pry bar... when it isn't yours ;-)
06:09 PM XXCoder: last week meeting they told everyone to not use anyone elses tool
06:09 PM XXCoder: I think something happened
06:10 PM elmo40: it is a running joke we had at my last work. when is a Snap-On/MacTools/Wiha screw driver a chisel or pry bar... when it isn't yours.
06:13 PM Javabean: still surprises me that snap-on and mactools can sell their things for such ridiculous prices
06:13 PM XXCoder: sometimes you pay for certification and warranty rather than item
06:14 PM XXCoder: snapon is just way overpriced
06:14 PM elmo40: Craftsman lifetime warranty.
06:15 PM Javabean: saw a youtube a while back... dude was surprised that a random horror fright torque wrench was more accurate and repeatable in his torque testing rig
06:15 PM elmo40: used to be decent tools... now they suck. the wrench forging dies are worn to hell.
06:15 PM XXCoder: craftman is shit now lol
06:16 PM XXCoder: sometimes worse than hf
06:16 PM Javabean: craftsman these days is no better than hf
06:16 PM Javabean: ...
06:16 PM Javabean: :p
06:16 PM andypugh: I only buy “King Dick” spanners. :-)
06:16 PM XXCoder: competating I see ;)
06:18 PM andypugh: Pretty good tools, not too badly priced. https://www.kingdicktools.co.uk/products/index.asp
06:18 PM andypugh: (And an amusing name)
06:18 PM jthornton: when we go to Branson we like to shop at Dick's 5 & 10 store
06:19 PM XXCoder: andy not too bad
06:19 PM XXCoder: not as bad as kenndy prices
06:19 PM XXCoder: cart is over $800 usd. king dick is around $600
06:19 PM XXCoder: my giant tool cart is $660
06:19 PM jthornton: Socketry
06:30 PM jthornton: are you converting pounds to dollars?
06:32 PM Javabean: why not dollars to kilograms?
06:33 PM XXCoder: andy's link
06:34 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: sure.. I didn't think of that. With just axis running it is around 200mb of memory usage
06:34 PM * Javabean sighs, smacks XXCoder with a harisen
06:34 PM skunkworks: with the os
06:52 PM skunkworks: maybe 2gb minimum
08:23 PM _unreal_: so asside from needing a threaded rod :/ to finish one part of the project My x axis drive system is more or less done
08:24 PM _unreal_: ! oh and I need to mill two of the slots for the motor mounts so it slides further by like 3/16's
08:24 PM _unreal_: sigh
08:49 PM _unreal_: no one around I take it
08:50 PM XXCoder: yo
08:53 PM Tom_L: nope nobody
08:54 PM elmo40: _unreal_, still tinkering?
08:58 PM Javabean: what's with all the noise?? i was trying that sleep thing
08:58 PM _unreal_: always
08:58 PM _unreal_: tinkering
09:01 PM _unreal_: can any of you guys get this to load? https://web.archive.org/web/20150701000000*/https://www.cncshop.com
09:01 PM _unreal_: trying to view it from 2016
09:02 PM _unreal_: just says waiting requesting, waiting, requesting
09:02 PM _unreal_: arg..
09:02 PM Tom_L: you posted 2 links run together
09:03 PM Tom_L: both load
09:04 PM Tom_L: and together they load as well with a stats page
09:04 PM elmo40: Javabean, sleep when you die.
09:04 PM elmo40: there is too much to do!
09:04 PM ziper: i can get the screen you linked, but none of the actual archives
09:04 PM Javabean: yeah, dieing in you sleep sucks... rather it be the other way
09:04 PM XXCoder: looping here also
09:05 PM Tom_L: archive may require a subscription
09:05 PM XXCoder: arcive org dont have it
09:06 PM _unreal_: AHH finally found what I was looking for http://marketing.axyz.com/files/documents/OP0BR02PL19_CutterGuide_Electronic.pdf
09:06 PM elmo40: appears the wayback is broken?
09:06 PM Javabean: thanks unreal, i don't know what its about but now i have a copy
09:07 PM _unreal_: feeds and speeds hart
09:08 PM _unreal_: I have these 13317A
09:08 PM _unreal_: from the chart
09:08 PM _unreal_: they @#$%@#$ amazing
09:09 PM _unreal_: https://www.cncshop.com/us_en/technical-information
09:12 PM _unreal_: ?
09:12 PM _unreal_: ve7it, whats up
10:09 PM ve7it: _unreal_, not much... trying to work out a mechanism using an rc servo to strike a gong
10:11 PM ve7it: got to lift the hammer, then freefall onto gong... but i have limited rotation and speed on the rc servo
10:35 PM _unreal_: hum
10:36 PM _unreal_: ve7it, sounds like a bang up job :)
10:36 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I'm trying to figure out the parts I need to make a normal AC filter before the transformer
10:36 PM _unreal_: https://www.vishnumaiea.in/projects/hardware/diy-surge-protector-line-filter
10:36 PM _unreal_: something like this
10:37 PM _unreal_: ve7it, also I'm torn between 230v and 120v
10:38 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I have some of these http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/63cpq100.pdf
10:38 PM _unreal_: looking at using two of those for the tranformer thing https://www.powertronix.com/userfiles/kcfinder/images/Linear-Power-Supplies-4.jpg
10:41 PM ve7it: _unreal_, going to the shop for a few minutes
10:46 PM _unreal_: NOOOOOOooooooo..........! ahh shit he's gone ;)
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