#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 28 2020
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:34 AM CaptHindsight: https://tsapps.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=820482
12:39 AM CaptHindsight: Published December 31, 1993
12:39 AM CaptHindsight: Enhanced Machine Controller Architecture Overview
12:56 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
01:50 AM Loetmichel: *ah* Finally some order on the keyboard drawer of the CNC mill...The mill bit stand turned out great! -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17709&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
02:06 AM Deejay: moin
02:44 AM bensttech: Hi does any know the devel status of hostmot2 eth with regards support for the inputs (TB6) on 7i95
04:20 AM Loetmichel: gnah. our engineer has a 4 day week contract... every friday he is at home... and calls me about 5 times a day about things to do and stuff... maaan thats not going forward at all if you have to take about 2 hours out of your day to get the guy up to speed. :-(
04:33 AM XXCoder: heh
04:33 AM XXCoder: im eating pickle slices and sweating quite a lot
04:33 AM XXCoder: devil spit flavor. very very spicy
04:34 AM veegee: The next person I encounter in person who uses a dumbass imperial unit of measurement like "oz", I'm just going to say "fuck you" and walk away
04:34 AM veegee: Unless it's a client :(
04:34 AM XXCoder: walk a mile
04:35 AM veegee: z
04:35 AM XXCoder: ;)
04:35 AM veegee: "in person" because I know someone here will do it lol
04:36 AM XXCoder: :)
04:36 AM p0g0: perches, chains, mils, acres, PSI... I await the abuse.
04:36 AM XXCoder: wheew okay putting away the pickles
04:36 AM veegee: I just bought the 25cm (10") Vertex rotary table. It's 45kg or so, hell of a thing to lift on and off of the work table
04:36 AM XXCoder: getting little too hot!
04:36 AM p0g0: I expect you'll first need to look some of those up...
04:37 AM veegee: I'm familiar with the units, I just hate them
04:37 AM veegee: torque wrenches have inch pound scales but have 10 unit increments wtf
04:37 AM veegee: zero logic
04:37 AM p0g0: gosh, hate, why waste your time and heart with that?
04:38 AM p0g0: My metric sockets fit on 3/8 & 1/2 drives...
04:39 AM * p0g0 intends to offer apoplexy soon
04:39 AM veegee: Time to replace the dial scale in my split beam torque wrenches with a Nm scale. At least that's easy to do
04:39 AM p0g0: I have studs on my truck's bell housing that have both metric and imperial threads...
04:41 AM p0g0: ^ The 'easy to do", all those measures are some arbitrary scale- metric's virtue is the ease of computation and if you are a physicist, some comfort as to where the scale came from.
04:41 AM p0g0: Most folks could care less about a mole of water molecules.
04:41 AM veegee: Well I can make a case for imperial (UNC) threads. 1/4" 20 TPI is much coarser than the M5 or M6 thread
04:41 AM p0g0: For example
04:42 AM veegee: For machining, no way in hell am I going to use "thou". µm is the only appropriate unit
04:42 AM p0g0: When the mertic stud on my honda's exhaoust manifold stripped out (at about 60% of the rated torque!) the easiest thing to do was hand tap the next up size- an imperial one...
04:42 AM veegee: So I understand the purpose of UNC vs metric threads because UNC is much coarser
04:43 AM veegee: But no excuse for using units like oz, tsp, tbsp, mile, yard, etc.
04:44 AM veegee: simple mL and m cover all that
04:44 AM p0g0: Now, when I lived in New Zealand, it became obvious that things like studs and sheets of plywood were just rebranded imperial things, not precise integer metric.
04:44 AM XXCoder: brits mock usa then use stones
04:45 AM veegee: I have two clients from the UK and they work out daily. Never heard them use that unit. They talk in kg and cm
04:46 AM p0g0: Anyone in the US that is serious about science or really any set of computation uses metric, until they cannot. I am taxed by the acre, not the hectare.
04:46 AM p0g0: My roads are speed limited in MPH
04:46 AM p0g0: etc
04:47 AM veegee: yeah fucking stupid ass country
04:47 AM p0g0: One of many
04:47 AM p0g0: feel free to denote yours, I'll point out it's failures..
04:47 AM veegee: any rant over. Ball screw installation a success
04:48 AM veegee: very smooth. NO idea why everyone recommends acme for manual machining
04:48 AM veegee: I always lock the axis not in motion anyway
04:48 AM XXCoder: "everyone" interesting
04:48 AM veegee: if you search on google, everywhere you look on machining forums, they tell you to stay away from ball screws on manual machines
04:49 AM veegee: But I'm going to add additional functionality and put servos on the table locks which are touch activated
04:49 AM p0g0: XXCoder, it works for the Roadrunner...
04:49 AM veegee: if you put your hand on the Y axis handwheel, it'll automatically unlock the saddle
04:49 AM XXCoder: p0 on what?
04:50 AM p0g0: The Roadrunner cartoons- every malign device was an "Acme" brand- the dynamite, the anvil, whatever.
04:50 AM XXCoder: ah lol
04:50 AM veegee: yeah
04:50 AM p0g0: Acme just means "Highest Peak"
04:50 AM p0g0: But it is a type of thread
04:50 AM XXCoder: sorry, quite tired. 10 hours of boring work
04:51 AM p0g0: Get some rest?
04:51 AM veegee: you mean work causing boredom or hole boring?
04:51 AM p0g0: is there a difference?
04:51 AM veegee: Very much so
04:52 AM XXCoder: i gotn so bored that I was boring stuff
04:52 AM XXCoder: ;)
04:52 AM XXCoder: nah boredom. it was boring work day
04:52 AM veegee: what do you do?
04:52 AM p0g0: bores stuff.
04:52 AM XXCoder: run a61 mill cell
04:52 AM p0g0: obviously
04:52 AM veegee: a what what what what?
04:53 AM XXCoder: cell is 2 horzional mills 2 pallet processing stations, main computer and pallet transit system
04:56 AM XXCoder: https://youtu.be/yXUoSZHikCs
04:56 AM XXCoder: that ones bit more larger and expensive (3 floors of pallets) but otherwise same
04:56 AM XXCoder: pallet transit must have traveled million miles by now
04:56 AM p0g0: google hates tor...
04:57 AM p0g0: no pix for me...
04:57 AM XXCoder: if youre talking about my link its youtube link not google picture
04:58 AM XXCoder: lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp1B6PS81Uk
04:58 AM XXCoder: that briudge will never never stop eating vehicles. even after 8 inch rise
04:59 AM p0g0: "https://www.youtube.com Our system has detected unusual traffic..." all I get is whinging from https://www.google.com/sorry/...
04:59 AM XXCoder: interesting. too bad as its nice video of a61
04:59 AM p0g0: I expect it is...
05:00 AM p0g0: I wonder if I can run youtube-dl on that URL, but Tor ask that I not, due to traffic loads,
05:14 AM jthornton: morning
05:14 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:16 AM jthornton: wonderful we have isolated snow showers today but the temp is 39°F
05:26 AM XXCoder: im offically old man
05:26 AM XXCoder: facebook showing ad about belts
05:26 AM XXCoder: i very rarely wear one but...
05:30 AM p0g0: Belts are only for the elderly?
05:31 AM XXCoder: nah, its "boring" stuff
05:31 AM p0g0: hehe, you have a corner on the boring market today.
05:31 AM XXCoder: apparently.
06:21 AM unterhaus_: if you are really old, fb starts serving you medical ads
06:23 AM Loetmichel: define really old!
06:32 AM jthornton: if your really old you have a Medicare card in your wallet
06:40 AM Loetmichel: hehe, not if you are german
06:40 AM Loetmichel: you pay out your nose all work life long to have decent care when old anyways
06:40 AM jthornton: you can still have one if your german and live in the US
06:40 AM Loetmichel: its the law
06:40 AM Loetmichel: "pflegebeitrag"
06:41 AM Loetmichel: you could say a tax that your employer has to deduct from your salary and then send to the german IRS so they can "insure" you for old age medical care
06:42 AM Loetmichel: jthornton: that would be silly. if you are a german you have access to german health insurance and benefits
06:42 AM Loetmichel: why would one use the inferior american way if you have the top notch insurance at hand?
06:43 AM Loetmichel: and to my knowledge the german insurance pays for american docotrs, too if you have the right contract with them
07:33 AM Javabean: morning!
07:33 AM Elmo40: moo
07:34 AM Javabean: Loetmichel: did you see the link i posted you about 12 hours ago?
07:39 AM Javabean: grah, it was in *other channel*
07:41 AM Elmo40: i was gonna say... i didn't see any links
07:42 AM * Javabean needs to remember to drink his coffee before posting in irc
07:46 AM Elmo40: ;-)
07:46 AM Elmo40: i currently have my cup in hand...
07:47 AM Elmo40: btw, that vid is informative. i don't like half of the tools he likes, mind you.
07:47 AM * Javabean shrugs
07:48 AM Javabean: he IS a good source for solar pv system information... from batteries to pv panels and all the angry pixie paths between
07:55 AM Loetmichel: he is a dabbling amateur though, not a pro
07:55 AM Loetmichel: IIRC from the few videos of his i have seen
07:55 AM Loetmichel: meaning he dont fully understands WHY that works what he does, he just noticed it does
07:56 AM Elmo40: exactly! doesn't know 'why' just knows that it works...
07:56 AM Elmo40: not an engineer ;-)
07:56 AM Loetmichel: thats not belittling him in any way though
07:56 AM Javabean: he is a published author of a book on the matter, and https://diysolarforum.com is his as well
07:56 AM Elmo40: too many of these babbling idiots on ytube making money. but, that is how the world works...
07:56 AM Loetmichel: as i said: i wasnt belittling him just stating a fact that sometimes shows
07:57 AM Loetmichel: meaning you could get a bit more info from someone that does the same but understands WHY it works in the first place
07:57 AM Javabean: yeah, but to be fair. not many "pro's" on the matter are willing to teach in a similar fashion
07:57 AM Elmo40: Loetmichel, don't worry. i will belittle him. he seems too 'amazed' with things. almost every video. like a 'wow, that worked' kind of amazement.
07:57 AM Loetmichel: so far i didnt catch him to do anything wrong
07:58 AM Elmo40: and no real explanation as to why it worked.
07:58 AM Loetmichel: Elmo40: to be honest: that attitude is more up my alley than some of the "i dont care, to lazy to even show any drive" attitude some others have
07:58 AM Loetmichel: especially teachers sometimes
08:08 AM * Javabean waves in the general direction of germany, heads off
08:23 AM unterhaus_: I'm always amazed when an experiment of mine works, even in the subjects I'm an expert in
08:38 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
08:58 AM skunkworks: I am amazed when anything I do works...
08:59 AM methods_: what is this.........works thing you speak of
09:01 AM skunkworks: 50% of the time.
09:01 AM skunkworks: well.. 30%
09:03 AM skunkworks: When I was 10 and figured out that a diode bridge would convert AC to DC - I thought I had found a way to create AC. (running dc into the bridge -> ac - RIGHT?)
09:08 AM jdh: wouldn't that be cool
09:08 AM skunkworks: I know - Right?
09:09 AM skunkworks: I mainly wanted to create ac so I could make a portable shocker... ;)
09:11 AM jdh: big cap
09:11 AM skunkworks: I had an old telephone crank generator. That was always fun
09:23 AM skunkworks: samiam?
09:27 AM Loetmichel: skunkworks: try a neon transformer. THAT hurts!
09:28 AM Loetmichel: btdt
09:28 AM Loetmichel: accidentally of course
09:31 AM skunkworks: We have a laser here at work that has a 50kv power supply. It uses fiber optics that control the HV tubes. The electronic tech was trying to trouble shoot the control circuit and started to try to measure the 5v with his volt meter. I said - Wait - that is floating at 50kv! and as his probe got close a spark jumped and knocked him off the step ladder...
09:33 AM skunkworks: He said - I think you are right!
10:09 AM Rab: skunkworks, when I was ~8-10yo I was convinced that if you hooked a motor up to a "dynamo", you would pretty obviously have a perpetual motion machine that you could harness for useful work.
10:10 AM Rab: In my defense, it's not an uncommon idea.
10:15 AM skunkworks: I had the same...
10:26 AM Loetmichel: *snicker*, getting some order into this company... starting with the 3d-printer-corner... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17715&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
10:31 AM methods_: holy fuck they closed the port of LA
10:31 AM methods_: news is saying they only shut down 25% but my buddy out there says nothing is going in or out
10:32 AM methods_: the port is silent he says
10:36 AM serp: why?
10:36 AM methods_: coronavirus i guess
10:37 AM methods_: i don't think they've figured it out on wall st yet either or the market would be down even more
10:55 AM ve7it: _unreal_, https://www.bgmicro.com/9z1652.aspx not a bad deal
10:55 AM Tom_L: V is too low isn't it?
10:56 AM Tom_L: maybe he's running 24v.. i forget
11:04 AM CaptHindsight: methods_: last week https://www.presstelegram.com/2020/02/21/coronavirus-causing-dip-in-chinese-imports-at-ports-of-l-a-long-beach/
11:05 AM methods_: yeah that was last week
11:05 AM methods_: this is today
11:05 AM methods_: i know someone who's there
11:06 AM Rab: methods_, are they in a position to know of a port closure order, or are they simply observing reduced traffic?
11:09 AM methods_: observing
11:10 AM methods_: observing 0 traffic
11:10 AM methods_: he says even during the strikes there was traffic
11:10 AM methods_: now there is nothing
11:12 AM CaptHindsight: Clorox stock prices are up
11:12 AM Rab: Time to sell Clorox, and buy everything else. ;)
11:14 AM Rab: Looks like (very broadly) average shipping time from major Chinese ports to LA is 20 days.
11:15 AM CaptHindsight: are they out of P95 masks yet at all the hardware stores?
11:15 AM CaptHindsight: wait for that run
11:15 AM ve7it: Tom_L, he is building a plus and minus 25V supply ( running a 24V motor )
11:16 AM Rab: Which would correspond to when the PCBA industry was dead in the water, too. I am hearing that scheduled jobs are back in process now.
11:17 AM Rab: I wonder if that's a sign of improvement, or if the CCP just ordered anybody who's still breathing to get back to work.
11:20 AM CaptHindsight: at lease people aren't out buying duct tape and plastic film to seal off their homes here yet
11:22 AM Rab: Home Despot website says all local stores are sold out of masks.
11:22 AM Tom_L: most of those masks wouldn't help much
11:23 AM CaptHindsight: oh great, I actually need some for a sanding project
11:23 AM Rab: Many highly intelligent individuals in the fine state of Texas.
11:23 AM gregcnc: I have a gas mask around somewhere
11:25 AM CaptHindsight: Menards still has them
11:27 AM Rab: CaptHindsight, sounds like an arbitrage opportunity.
11:28 AM CaptHindsight: filters. gloves, hand sanitizer....
11:29 AM CaptHindsight: then canned and other non perishable foods
11:59 AM unterhaus_: I have a lot of suitable masks around, none of those fake surgical masks that the Chinese wear
12:00 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5x85m/corona-beer-continues-to-suffer-because-of-coronavirus-fears
12:01 PM CaptHindsight: lots of people wear them every day in Asia, it is one of the first things you notice getting off a plane
12:03 PM CaptHindsight: during rainy season you put on a full length rain coat and face mask and you become invisible to the locals
12:35 PM gregcnc: eh a lot of people won't drink anything mainstream anymore
01:09 PM roycroft: perhaps the only good that will come of this coronavirus scare is that people will stop drinking corona beer and will start drinking decent beer :)
01:19 PM Loetmichel: harhar, just got a speeding ticket. photo was taken on 9th of februrary, ticket was in the mail TODAY.. MAAAN german bureaucracy sure is slow ;) (only 10 eur because only 100kph instead of 100kph, so peanuts, just found if funny how long they take these days)
01:22 PM Loetmichel: 110kph in a 100kph zone ... thick fingers typing nonsene ;)
01:22 PM methods_: they think the pope might have it, i wonder how many people he infected on ash wed
01:23 PM roycroft: i thought he cancelled that
01:23 PM methods_: i think he went into hiding yesterday after wed
01:23 PM methods_: but don't quote me on that
01:26 PM roycroft: honestly, with all the bullshit that president fuckhead is spewing these days, it's hard for me to make the effort to sift through that crap and get any real news about anything, so i can't say i have any clue as to what is going on
01:27 PM roycroft: it's way too much work to find out the truth about anything
01:27 PM roycroft: i'm trying, but i can't keep up
01:27 PM Rab: You should be relieved to hear that he's tasked Pence with saying nothing about the coronavirus!
01:27 PM roycroft: yeah
01:27 PM roycroft: so we can pray away the virus
01:27 PM roycroft: or send the virus to conversion therapy
01:28 PM roycroft: or just do what the president himself said, wait until april and it will go away on its own
01:28 PM Rab: We'd better wait and see what happens to the pope first.
01:28 PM methods_: lol
01:28 PM roycroft: or the other thing the president said: hope for a miracle
01:28 PM roycroft: that's a really great strategy for combatting it - try to wait it out and in the meantime hope for a miracle
01:30 PM roycroft: meanwhile, i'll just avoid going near anyone who looks religious/republican/rednecky, and hope that i don't catch it
01:31 PM roycroft: and i'll follow the good advise of the wingnuts, and spend 18+ hours/day washing my hands
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
01:31 PM methods_: probably best to avoid them virus or no virus
01:32 PM methods_: i guess there is an outbreak at UC davis now
01:32 PM roycroft: some lady was on the news yesterday saying that any time you touch anything that an unknown person may have touched you should wash your hands for 20 seconds
01:32 PM methods_: let the games begin
01:32 PM roycroft: so i go to the market
01:32 PM roycroft: disinfect the handle of my shopping cart
01:32 PM roycroft: head down the aisle
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.nih.gov/health-information/coronavirus
01:33 PM roycroft: pick up a bottle of catsup
01:33 PM roycroft: wash my hands
01:33 PM roycroft: pick up a package of peanuts
01:33 PM roycroft: wash my hands
01:33 PM roycroft: hmm, now my shopping trip is taking 7 hours, and i'm going through boxes and boxes of hand wipes
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: stop using your hand to touch things
01:34 PM roycroft: i'm not going to use my ding-a-ling to put groceries in my shopping cart
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: what is with all this touching going on, if people would stop it this would not be a problem
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Unger-Professional-Nifty-Nabber-36/dp/B0000V0AGS/ref=asc_df_B0000V0AGS problem solved
01:38 PM CaptHindsight: https://dmna.ny.gov/foodservice/docs/toolbox/proper_gloveuse.pdf
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: The Right Way to Use Your Fork and Knife https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNE2DhQ1AZ4
01:39 PM roycroft: i wasn't too concerned about the coronavirus until that presser where the utter contempt and incompetence of the white house made it clear that it's going to be far worse than anyone imagined it ever could be in this country
01:40 PM roycroft: all they're doing is denying that it's a problem and blaming it on democrats
01:41 PM roycroft: of all the things to politicize, a serious health threat that does not discriminate based on ideology is certainly not one of them
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.sfcdcp.org/communicable-disease/healthy-habits/how-to-put-on-and-remove-a-face-mask/
01:41 PM roycroft: what face mask?
01:41 PM roycroft: you can't buy them
01:41 PM roycroft: they're all hoarded up
01:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://i.mmo.cm/is/image/mmoimg/bigview/full-body-condom-costume--mw-131897-1.jpg
01:46 PM roycroft: mick mulvaney *just* said *again* that media coverage of covid-19 is all about turning the public against president fuckhead
01:46 PM roycroft: and fuckhead junior said that democrats hope that millions of people die from the virus so that they can win the election
01:47 PM roycroft: *that* is how our government are approaching the crisis
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: because Hillarry is bader
01:49 PM unterhaus_: been thinking about how not adopting medicaid expansion means that rural hospitals have been closing all across the country
01:49 PM roycroft: because americans love their health insurance
01:49 PM roycroft: and they would rather have their hospitals close and not be able to get treatment than have a government-run health care system
01:50 PM * roycroft does not know a single person who "loves" their health insurance company
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: I'm still waiting for that TV show where they compete to be shot it the head first
01:50 PM roycroft: i know a lot of people who love their doctor
01:50 PM roycroft: but that has nothing to do with insurance
01:51 PM roycroft: we had that show in november of 2016
01:51 PM CaptHindsight: there will be a group of upset docs that won't be able to collect as much as they currently do
01:51 PM roycroft: anyway, i'm ranting off-topic too much
01:52 PM roycroft: i should shut up and get back to work
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: mostly specialized surgeons
02:04 PM XXCoder: roycroft: more and more people say that trump never fired emergacy plague team
02:04 PM XXCoder: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/us-politics/ct-trump-pandemic-20170408-story.html
02:04 PM XXCoder: that article is 2017, and predates coronavirus
02:06 PM Rab: "The projected annual cost of a pandemic could reach as high as $570 billion."
02:07 PM Rab: That seems slightly optimistic.
02:07 PM XXCoder: usually is. plus its 2017
02:10 PM methods_: well it would be some very tasty irony if trump and friends ended up with the coronavirus
02:11 PM XXCoder: considering trump love of golden arches that is a possibility
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: (conspiracy foil hat securely fastened with staples) Covid-19 is a manufactured virus by US secret labs to hurt the Chinese with the secondary effect of bringing down trump
02:30 PM CaptHindsight: 2 birds, one stone
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: only democrats believe in science so who else coulda dunit?
02:32 PM roycroft: are you saying that chinese people are democrats?
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: not yet
02:32 PM XXCoder: dead ones is democrats
02:32 PM roycroft: but if they have teh scientists who created teh bioweapon virus, then they must be democrats, because that took science
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: yes
02:33 PM XXCoder: i find it interesting that NK is completely silent. I guess having repressive goverment with walls helps
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: the bubbas wait for an angry invisible man in the sky to do it
02:34 PM roycroft: ted cruz called out aoc on her science cred after she criticised the trump regime's handling of covid-19, asking her if she even knows what a y chromosome is
02:35 PM roycroft: she responded reminding him that she has a degree in microbiology, and has won several awards for her work in the field
02:35 PM roycroft: he's been very quiet on twitter since then
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, more group think
02:35 PM XXCoder: just glad ted cannot be president
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: if you don't agree you must be stupid
02:36 PM roycroft: her reply started out "i know you judge people by the lowest-wage job they've ever had ..."
02:36 PM XXCoder: bloomberg is advertising very heavily. im kinda afraid to come out of house heh
02:36 PM roycroft: honestly, xxcoder, as bad as he would be, he wouldn't be as bad as what we have now
02:36 PM XXCoder: someone might tap my shoulder... then hand me sheet
02:37 PM XXCoder: roy hes almost blue trump
02:37 PM XXCoder: but before demenia
02:37 PM roycroft: i think there should be a rule that there can be no political ads in the middle of a televised debate on the channel(s) that broadcast the debate
02:37 PM roycroft: it really pissed me off to be watching the debate the other night and have bloomberg ads come on during the commercials
02:38 PM XXCoder: but bloomberg edited debate where he was crushed by warren to make it go very differently
02:38 PM XXCoder: and got called out on it
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: nah, it should held in cage
02:38 PM roycroft: yeah, well he's totally unacceptable
02:38 PM XXCoder: hes not completely out. if he did indeed won primaries. its him or trump
02:38 PM roycroft: if it comes down to bloomberg vs. trump, i'll either sit it out or do a write-in vote
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: with those motorcycles that go upsdie down like in Road warrior
02:39 PM XXCoder: then I will bvote for bloomberh. because fuck orange one
02:39 PM roycroft: as much as i want trump gone, i don't want to replace him with trump junior, who is not yet demented
02:39 PM roycroft: i won't ever vote for a billionaire for president
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: well it is pretty sad, we should have a ton of good people running
02:39 PM XXCoder: hes losing very badly anyway so it wont come up
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: it is almost as if uhmericans want crappy leaders
02:40 PM roycroft: it's the presidental paradox: anyone who is qualified to be a good president is smart enough not to run
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: we should go back to just rotating leaders like ancient Greece
02:41 PM XXCoder: nah
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: or forced presidency
02:42 PM XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: if you don't want to run, you are made to run
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: anyone that wants to run does not get nominated
02:43 PM XXCoder: I have no question that I would be better president than Trump. But I question if i would be a good president
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: it would be difficult to find worse than trump if you were to not include those with mental illness
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: but hoards of people like being told what to do by a strongman persona
02:45 PM CaptHindsight: good leaders talk down and yell at you
02:45 PM XXCoder: people keep thinking that if statement matches their views it must be true
02:45 PM XXCoder: need to stop that. teach people actual critical thinking.
02:46 PM unterhaus: I would like a strong man to tell me how to open the battery door on my ip66 mitutoyo caliper
02:46 PM XXCoder: that was cut in school
02:46 PM XXCoder: cant have voters too smart!
02:46 PM XXCoder: unterhaus: does it have screw?
02:46 PM unterhaus: does not appear to have a screw
02:46 PM XXCoder: also its outwards to right when viewed in readable position
02:47 PM XXCoder: kinda like common remote battery cover
02:47 PM unterhaus: along the length of the caliper?
02:47 PM XXCoder: yeah
02:48 PM XXCoder: hmm
02:48 PM XXCoder: depends on mpdel it seems
02:48 PM unterhaus: would be nice if they could decide on a direction
02:48 PM XXCoder: some is downwards
02:48 PM unterhaus: yeah, I saw that, but this is somewhat coolant resistant
02:48 PM XXCoder: mine is screw off then move to right
02:48 PM XXCoder: ip67
02:49 PM unterhaus: cd-8" pd, I think
02:51 PM unterhaus: ip66
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB9J_B1Om5A&feature=emb_logo dental aligner trimming with 5-axis mill
02:52 PM unterhaus: sales brochure seems a lot like 500-623, they are hiding the manual
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: if you have the coordinates for the path that should be cut then creating the toolpath is mostly just creating an offset for the tool radius
02:53 PM XXCoder: capt nice
02:54 PM XXCoder: i want pocketnc heh but so expensive
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: do you really need 5-axis to trim that?
02:55 PM XXCoder: yeah need to align with teeth starts which is bit hard
02:56 PM unterhaus: mitutoyo europe can go eff themselves
02:56 PM unterhaus: made me register and then no manual
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: V shaped cutting tool in that video?
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: methods_: any thoughts?
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/iB9J_B1Om5A?t=42 cutting starts here
02:59 PM Rab: It's nice to see there is a use for Pocket NC.
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: if a saw was used vs V-tool
03:00 PM XXCoder: seen many more complex uses for nc
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: part if the trimming is not leaving a sharp or jagged edge
03:00 PM Rab: Neat: https://sim.pocketnc.com/
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: it didn't take autodesk too much to setup a web page and 5-axis CAM for this
03:02 PM Rab: I see what appear to be burrs in the close-up shots of the finished piece.
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: they likely polish after
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: so why not use a saw?
03:03 PM XXCoder: you do it by hand
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmM6cIa3pg4
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: 20 Dental Clear Aligners Trimmed in 22min on 5axismaker 5xm600 ^^
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.5axismaker.com/software/
03:05 PM unterhaus: I went to a tutorial on aligning 5 axis machines. Pretty interesting but I didn't learn it because it went right over my head
03:07 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, it's interesting how in that 5axismaker video, each aligner is evidently formed over its own little pallet and there's a jig system to hold them in predictable locations.
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: Rab: yes, the molds are SLA printed
03:08 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, cool application.
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: then you vacuum form over it with the FDA approved thermoplastic
03:10 PM Rab: One wonders if there is any migration of deadly resin constituents into the aligner plastic when heated.
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: not much
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: the FDA approved plastic has some of its own
03:11 PM Rab: Enough to spook people who are worried about composite fillings, probably.
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: no such thing as perfectly safe
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: there is a SLA resin FDA approved for dentures now
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: what it comes down to is if the FDA will approve you
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: do they like you
03:13 PM CaptHindsight: time to extend Pycam to 5-axis?
03:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.5axismaker.com/software/ did it with rhino
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: their script appears to be a binary
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: maybe the Nurbs toolkit lets you see source
03:19 PM unterhaus: there was a screw holding the battery door down after all
03:34 PM XXCoder: not best speaker but interesting. i dont know if theres voice interpeter if not sorry for silent film lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sESUT1UO6E
03:34 PM XXCoder: discription have transcription
03:37 PM Deejay: gn8
04:00 PM sparq: So, I found a Dover high perecision XY table in the ewaste pile at work (one of the beam couplers was sheared). It would be pretty simple to drive it with something like the Smoothie or TinyG, but neither of them can make use of the *astonishingly* precise encoders this thing comes with.
04:01 PM XXCoder: i wonder if you could use something like rpi zero to process encoder input
04:01 PM sparq: What should I drive it with? I want to use it to CNC-ify my lathe.
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: sparq: yes, they did not care about encoders
04:01 PM sparq: XXCoder: Easily -- in fact, already done. Just not a solution for closed-loop controll, alas.
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: what type of encoders?
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: do you have the model numbers?
04:02 PM sparq: This is the product line : https://dovermotion.com/products/linear-stages/xy-stages/precision-xy-table-xyrb/
04:02 PM XXCoder: its not direct, basically you handle encoder by pi then send data to linuxcnc
04:02 PM CaptHindsight: incremental quadrature?
04:03 PM sparq: let me pull the datasheet for the chip
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: sparq: are there motors on it as well?
04:03 PM sparq: https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ds26ls31c.pdf
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: line drivers
04:04 PM sparq: Yeah, it's got some really, really nice steppers with knurled knobs for moving them manually
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: with LCNC you could drive the stepper from an LPT port and a break out board
04:05 PM sparq: I already wrote a little arduino sketch to read the encoders, but that's only useful for manual operation, which would be kind of a waste. :-)
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: for quadrature encoders Mesa makes a multichannel input board
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: ah so are they quadrature?
04:06 PM sparq: I'm not sure if that's what it's called, but it's a differential voltage signal.
04:06 PM sparq: spin one way, and the one pin leads, spin the other way and the other pin leads
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: square waves? (pulses)
04:07 PM sparq: Yep
04:07 PM sparq: VERY crisp on the o-scope
04:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/lAKalWVz_rM_E-iCcEaqMq3xaa_v6Znw6uw9tOHTIh1oxecDamHb1WKF9wydT-wNaUVUnPDjpUmdsXi0qJFGJ2omue3hGKRInsd-4auE5MyYuoxwg9C1-2iE
04:08 PM Rab: Looks like quadrature, from the pinout on the Dover page.
04:08 PM * sparq nods
04:08 PM sparq: CaptHindsight: Exactly
04:09 PM sparq: There is also a count pulse on a third pin for triggering interrupts, I suppose
04:09 PM CaptHindsight: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=83_85&product_id=339
04:10 PM Rab: sparq, index pulse.
04:10 PM * sparq nods
04:10 PM Rab: sparq, do you want to use the encoders for closed-loop feedback, or for a DRO, or both?
04:10 PM CaptHindsight: sparq: the board above can give you Step and Dir as well as read quadrature
04:11 PM sparq: CaptHindsight: Awesome
04:11 PM unterhaus: not a lot of value in reading an encoder for a step/dir system
04:11 PM CaptHindsight: closed loop with Step and Dir
04:12 PM sparq: Also, this is a linear stage for an electron microscope. It is accurate AF. :-)
04:12 PM CaptHindsight: yes, i use and have similar stages
04:12 PM sparq: Neat!
04:13 PM unterhaus: Cap'n, have you done closed loop step/dir?
04:14 PM sparq: I have what I think is probably the controller board that went with it, but the pinouts for the encoders don't make sense (the board has VCC on the encoder's index pin).
04:14 PM CaptHindsight: yes, but mostly analog servo (+-5V)
04:15 PM jym: Oh this is interesting.... online svg editor??? http://www.clker.com/inc/svgedit/svg-editor.html?url=%2Finc%2Fclean.html%3Fid%3D541348
04:15 PM jym: very inkscape'esk
04:15 PM CaptHindsight: jym: vs Inkscape?
04:16 PM CaptHindsight: look just like it
04:16 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Yeah it does
04:18 PM jym: CaptHindsight: https://github.com/SVG-Edit/svgedit
04:18 PM jym: CaptHindsight: PReviously at: https://code.google.com/archive/p/svg-edit/
04:19 PM jym: " no server-side functionality" Sweet
04:19 PM XXCoder: cool but I like inkscape heh
04:19 PM jym: XXCoder: Yeah, but we could share/edit on a project
04:20 PM XXCoder: shared editing?
04:20 PM jym: per se
04:20 PM jym: Yeah, like if we aere bouncing ideas off each other
04:20 PM XXCoder: definitely not able to do on inkscape
04:20 PM jym: or you didn't have access to inkscape or whaterver
04:21 PM jym: http://www.clker.com/inc/svgedit/svg-editor.html?url=%2Finc%2Fclean.html%3Fid%3D541348
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: is fusion360 simultaneous 5-axis or 3+2 axis (normal 3 axis with rotary indexing.)
04:21 PM jym: IDK if that'll work, but it's from their onlin edemo library
04:24 PM jym: Hmmm, export to pdf missed an object
04:28 PM XXCoder: lol this is a joke https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cwandt/solid-state-watch
04:29 PM andypugh: sparq: You could experiment with LinuxCNC and just the parallel port. LinuxCNC can handle encoders in software. Not super-fast count rates, but it would be an interesting exercise.
04:29 PM JT-Shop: cleanup on aisle 3... the Enco mill is by the door ready to get a new zip code tomorrow
04:29 PM CaptHindsight: \0/
04:30 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: way to go on that sale.
04:30 PM CaptHindsight: how many people actually showed up to see it?
04:31 PM JT-Shop: the first guy committed to it, I got a text from another guy the next day
04:32 PM JT-Shop: after 2.5 hrs on the mountain bike and moving the mill I think I'll take the rest of the day off
04:32 PM JT-Shop: the boss is not looking...
04:32 PM roycroft: be a nice guy and mix some hand sanitizer in with the cosmoline before you spray it on the mill
04:33 PM jymmmm: Can you actually BUY comoline in the US?
04:34 PM Rab: This place is flogging the brand pretty hard: https://www.cosmolinedirect.com/
04:35 PM roycroft: since it's a term for a family of products that conform to a particular mil-spec i should assume that some form of it can be had in this country
04:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.cosmolinedirect.com/cosmoline-rp-342-heavy-spray-military-grade-rust-preventive/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMImMbxxKX15wIVKx-tBh3SfwmnEAYYASABEgJjo_D_BwE
04:35 PM roycroft: to date mil-spec products have always had a us supplier
04:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/cosmoline/s?k=cosmoline
04:35 PM CaptHindsight: "bottled in China"
04:36 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, I went with the ETS EC 125/3
04:36 PM Rab: Cosmoline was developed by Houghton International in the late 1800s as a pharmaceutical product. The original Cosmoline was an ointment and was used for many different cosmetic and medical purposes. It was kept in homes to disinfect wounds and was used by veterinarians to treat cuts, abrasions, bruises and sprains. Cosmoline could even be found on the farms, where it was used to relieve swelling
04:36 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwOMUhS8gV0 100 watches after 13 years locked data research fun
04:36 PM Rab: in cow's udders.
04:36 PM Rab: Looks like you might not even need the sanitizer!
04:36 PM roycroft: good choice, jt-shop
04:36 PM roycroft: it's a good compromise machine, and lots of folks use it as a final finishing sander
04:37 PM JT-Shop: I also got a long life filter bag for the midi for when I'm making chips and not sanding
04:37 PM roycroft: i knew i'd want an ets ec 150/5 for most of my sanding, and decided on the ets 125/2 as a final finish sander
04:37 PM roycroft: but if i were only buying one sander i'd probably get the one you got
04:38 PM Rab: XXCoder, that kickstarter is despicable. "Our work is thoughtfully made, carefully considered, and overly engineered to do what they do and do it well—often for multiple generations." Except for these perfectly good watches we've turned into e-waste.
04:38 PM roycroft: have fun not spewing dust all over the place!
04:38 PM XXCoder: Rab: yeah thats why I said its a joke. its bad one unfortinately.
04:38 PM XXCoder: look at prices. crazy
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: cheesbuger in plastic
04:39 PM JT-Shop: yea that's what I'm hoping to cut down on the dust
04:39 PM roycroft: for panels it really really will
04:39 PM Rab: Well, I would probably charge at least $160 to pot a watch movement as a commercial project.
04:39 PM roycroft: when you're sanding edges where the pad overhangs it won't do as good a job, but nothing can do tht
04:40 PM JT-Shop: I have a 5" dust collector for the planer, jointer and bandsaw and a smaller converted one for the table saw
04:40 PM roycroft: i've sanded mdf, which is notorious for making fine dust, down to P400 and a tack cloth will not pick up any dust
04:40 PM roycroft: and i have the midi extractor too, btw
04:40 PM JT-Shop: does the pad whip when it goes over the edge?
04:40 PM roycroft: it's the same power as the bigger ones
04:40 PM roycroft: just a smaller bag
04:41 PM roycroft: no
04:41 PM XXCoder: Rab: i like the linked video tho, nice math check
04:41 PM roycroft: and if you're sanding flat panels a lot, get a hard pad for it
04:41 PM roycroft: it comes with a medium pad
04:41 PM roycroft: but a hard pad will help ensure crisp edges
04:41 PM JT-Shop: ah ok
04:41 PM roycroft: i think the pads are about $40
04:42 PM roycroft: sadly, when i look at all the money i've invested in my festool sanders, i take another look at all the systainers full of abrasives, and realise i have more money invested in abrasives than in the machines themselves
04:43 PM roycroft: but the abrasives last a really long time, and i always buy full boxes of 50 or 100
04:43 PM JT-Shop: is the super soft pad good for anything?
04:43 PM roycroft: curved surfaces
04:43 PM roycroft: but if you want you can get interface pads for that
04:44 PM roycroft: and you can stack the interface pads on top of each other to get a softer and softer pad
04:44 PM roycroft: i don't have any of the soft pads for my sanders - just medium, hard, and interface pads
04:45 PM roycroft: and i use the hard pads almost all of the time
04:47 PM JT-Shop: thanks
04:50 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: apparently there is pink lit now lol https://www.culturehustleusa.com/collections/powders/products/pink-lit-the-worlds-glowiest-glow-pigment-100-pure-lit-powder-in-blue-by-stuart-semple
04:55 PM sparq: andypugh: The encoders have 8000 divisions per revolution. It's compact and extremely rigid, with gigantic steppers. So... the count rates could be a few hundred kHz, potentially.
04:59 PM skunkworks: gigantic steppers ususally don't rung at high rpm...
04:59 PM skunkworks: run
04:59 PM andypugh: Yes, I was not suggesting using the p-port long term. But as a way to get the thing moving while you woork out what you want it for, it would be a cheap and quick project.
05:00 PM sparq: Ah -- yes.
05:01 PM JT-Shop: roycroft, https://www.toolnut.com/festool-492127-ro125-feq-stickfix-sanding-pad-hard-125mm-5.html
05:01 PM JT-Shop: that one?
05:02 PM Tom_L: do those use hook n loop or stick on?
05:03 PM Tom_L: looks like hook n loop
05:03 PM sparq: andypugh: I was pretty easy getting to the "it moves!" state. The step I'm on is, "What is the *proper* way to drive this thing that doesn't involve buying a $10,000 box with a parallel port."
05:03 PM andypugh: What do you have?
05:04 PM sparq: andypugh: https://dovermotion.com/products/linear-stages/xy-stages/precision-xy-table-xyrb/
05:04 PM andypugh: No, I know that. I mean what do you have that might run LinuxCNC?
05:04 PM andypugh: Od PC? Pi?
05:04 PM andypugh: New PC?
05:04 PM sparq: Newish PC
05:04 PM XXCoder: middle aged pc?
05:04 PM XXCoder: nailed it
05:04 PM sparq: Hah
05:05 PM andypugh: Does it have a parport ot a header on the motherboard for one?
05:05 PM sparq: Nope
05:05 PM andypugh: Have you looked?
05:05 PM sparq: Yep.
05:05 PM sparq: I built the thing, so...
05:05 PM sparq: :-)
05:06 PM andypugh: The motherboard header can be easy to overlook if you don’t want one at the time.
05:06 PM * sparq nods
05:06 PM andypugh: (They are more common that is often assumed)
05:06 PM andypugh: PCI slot?
05:07 PM sparq: it's a miniITX board -- if there is one, it'd have to be tiny and very non-standard
05:07 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, not sure yet still waiting for the sander
05:07 PM Tom_L: the description said hook n loop after i took the time to read it
05:08 PM andypugh: There is a p-port header and a full size PCI slot on this board, as an example: https://www.mini-itx.com/~J3455N-D3H
05:09 PM * sparq nods
05:10 PM andypugh: So, anyway… Do you just want to get the thing moving, or do you have a job for it?
05:11 PM andypugh: I am currently in “cheap and cheerfull messing about mode”. If you are thinking about a way to make a living from this widget then I can change my focus :-)
05:11 PM unterhaus: he said he wanted to put it on his lathe
05:11 PM sparq: Indeed
05:11 PM Tom_L: lathes can be living room ornaments or workpieces
05:12 PM andypugh: Indeed. I have both :-)
05:12 PM Tom_L: ask andypugh about that
05:12 PM unterhaus: I assume anyone that wants to modify their lathe is somewhere in the middle
05:13 PM sparq: Fair.
05:13 PM andypugh: The living-room lathe is very decoratiive, in my defence: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QCTSSkRGtYkiN4sf6
05:13 PM sparq: I am just messing around for fun. I just happen to be a lot more comfortable writing code than I am turning dials.
05:14 PM XXCoder: andypugh: got any good low wattage laser cut or engrave speeds and powers list?
05:14 PM andypugh: No, sorry, In fact I have never owned a proper laser.
05:14 PM jymmmm: IF anyown uses google voice in chrom/ium, and it locks up/unresponsive... rm -rf ~/.cache/chromium
05:14 PM XXCoder: drat. oh well :D
05:14 PM XXCoder: I want stronger laser, but I dont have space for it lol
05:14 PM XXCoder: money ehh also
05:15 PM andypugh: I have a laser pointer and a CVD player. Ans used to have a HeNe drain surveting level. So that’s not 100% true, on reflection.
05:15 PM XXCoder: lol
05:15 PM XXCoder: i have small 2w machine. its hella fun
05:15 PM andypugh: I have been looking at them, definitely.
05:16 PM andypugh: But probably the ubiquitous CO2 one.
05:16 PM Tom_L: 2kw would be more hella fun
05:16 PM XXCoder: im kinda nervious about co2 ones
05:16 PM XXCoder: cant even see light
05:16 PM Tom_L: a dude here set his house on fire with one once
05:16 PM andypugh: sparq: I think that using that stage on a lathe would be odd. It would be much better used for machineing watch parts as part of a 3-axis milling machine.
05:27 PM sparq: andypugh: Heh. Probably. But I *have* a lathe. :-)
05:28 PM andypugh: You have most of a mill now, too. :-)
05:28 PM sparq: It is the perfect envelope for my lathe, though.
05:31 PM andypugh: It seems likely to have too much X relative to Y. Though I suppose that opens up the possibility of gang-tooling.
05:31 PM sparq: exactly
05:31 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: crazy
05:31 PM XXCoder: i did some research and theres 20w 450nm laser
05:31 PM XXCoder: 100 bucks not too bad
05:32 PM XXCoder: strong enouggh to engrave nonreflective metal, and alter andonize
05:32 PM sparq: andypugh: I have a tiny little Taig lathe, so +/- 160mm x 160mm is perfect
05:33 PM andypugh: Stationary tool, move the whole lathe on that XY table :-)
05:34 PM sparq: The table is rated for 300kg, so that would be no problem :-)
05:35 PM sparq: it used to have a quarter-ton of confocal optics bolted to it
05:35 PM andypugh: Do you habe any more of them :-)
05:35 PM sparq: I wish!
05:37 PM sparq: We got rid of so much amazing stuff when the lab packed up and moved to main campus (I'm at LBNL)
05:37 PM andypugh: LBNL?
05:37 PM sparq: Lawrence Berkeley National Labs
05:38 PM andypugh: Ah, OK. I was thinking NL = Netherlands
05:39 PM sparq: Ah, yeah. People call it LBL and LBNL, but after two years here, I can't figure out why.
05:40 PM sparq: My badge says LBNL, but my email is lbl.gov
05:40 PM sparq: /me shrugs
05:45 PM andypugh: If this is a real project, and you have the money, then you could go straight to the Mesa card. You would probably end up there anyway.
05:46 PM pcw_mesa: identify pcw_mesa blackbelly
05:47 PM pcw_mesa: well that was stupid
05:47 PM pcw_mesa: andypugh: did you see that jogging bug?
05:48 PM andypugh: I did. I thought about suggesting that we disable all user-space jogging as it’s a daft thing to do :-)
05:49 PM andypugh: It is probably a very long-standing bug.
05:49 PM pcw_mesa: Yes its seems to be
05:50 PM pcw_mesa: just aborting any jog in progress if the mode changes might be OK
05:51 PM andypugh: Yes, that seems like a sensible thing to do.
05:51 PM andypugh: Though if it is all-GUIs then the issue is probably deep down.
05:52 PM pcw_mesa: its at least exhibited in axis and gmoccapy
06:04 PM jthornton: easy to replicate
06:07 PM pcw_mesa: I think whoever wrote the jog state machine didn't expect the mode to change in the middle of a jog
06:07 PM andypugh: It is a rather silly thing to do.
06:08 PM pcw_mesa: it is but its rather scary that is jogs forever
06:08 PM jthornton: I used to be amazed at what operators would do with a HMI I programmed and I never used to think they would do the unexpected
06:09 PM jthornton: at least the esc key stops it
06:10 PM Tom_L: pcw_mesa, we won't tell anybody
06:11 PM pcw_mesa: yes, strangely enough changing back to continuous mode and pressing _and releasing_ + or - also stops the jog
06:11 PM jthornton: lol
06:11 PM pcw_mesa: I knew it was only a matter of time before I did that...
06:11 PM XXCoder: they really should have charted the state chart
06:11 PM jthornton: that's not very intuitive like pressing the estop when it runs away but yea that works too
06:12 PM jthornton: pcw_mesa, do you use hexchat?
06:12 PM Tom_L: add it to your signin
06:12 PM jthornton: aye
06:12 PM pcw_mesa: I do at home on Linux
06:12 PM Tom_L: it works on both platforms
06:12 PM pcw_mesa: Yeah i should install it here
06:13 PM jthornton: I think all the girls are on the roost time for a bedtime story
06:13 PM Tom_L: i use SASL on the password login
06:16 PM pcw_mesa: I guess you could also disable mode changing when a jog is in progress (only load the new mode when the jog is complete)
06:19 PM jthornton: yea that would be sensible
06:20 PM andypugh: Without looking at the code, I supect that aborting if the mode changes would be much easier.
06:24 PM pcw_mesa: Its a weird thing to do so probably a minimal fix is appropriate (I think the forum poster that discovered this only did because he was trying to get a pendant to work)
06:25 PM jthornton: seems to be in command.c in eme/motion about line 650
06:26 PM jthornton: if (joint->wheel_jog_active) {
06:26 PM jthornton: /* can't do two kinds of jog at once */
06:26 PM jthornton: break;
06:32 PM jthornton: it seems to only run away when in continuous and switching to incremental and not the other way
07:28 PM infornography: jog run away is only a feature in pirated versions of LinuxCNC
07:32 PM skunkworks: infornography: you know mach well
07:33 PM Rab: Why do I have to pirate to get the features I need?!
09:43 PM _unreal_: ve7it, not bad at all.though I have already purchased my caps and have them in hand
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