Feb 27 2020
01:58 AM Deejay: moin
03:15 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
05:04 AM Tom_L: morning
06:46 AM unterhaus: I was looking at ways people installed the dro cables on their lathe, and all I have to say is SMH
06:48 AM unterhaus: my favorite is what I like to call "messy tangle in the chip tray"
06:51 AM unterhaus: not sure I have enough length to do a cable carrier though
07:33 AM jthornton: step 3 remove the two star screws with the provided star driver... fail it's too big to fit into the star
07:34 AM unterhaus: that's not good
07:34 AM unterhaus: is "star" == torx?
07:34 AM jthornton: no a 5 sided star
07:35 AM jthornton: ah pentalobe screwdriver
07:40 AM unterhaus: I think I got some of those in a couple of hex driver kits
07:48 AM unterhaus: anyone have any recommendations for nema 17 or 23 steppers?
07:57 AM Elmo40: umm...
07:57 AM Elmo40: that is a loaded question
08:03 AM jthornton: I get mine from Automation Direct
08:06 AM * JT-Shop wonders how to stop the recommended for me crap on my phone
08:07 AM gregcnc: turn it off?
08:07 AM gregcnc: I mean the recommendations
08:10 AM JT-Shop: they pop up on the notifications bar from the top
08:11 AM gregcnc: should be able to press and hold and give options
08:14 AM JT-Shop: I'll try that next time... seems to me I turned all notifications before
08:14 AM gregcnc: updates seem to reset things sometimes
08:18 AM Loetmichel: Hmm. Is it decadent to print a holder for used mill bits out of Carbon fibre PLA?
08:19 AM Javabean: not really, not in my book... but cfpla does seem to print smoother layerlines for some printers/setups
08:20 AM Loetmichel: indeed, also its more true to the CAD because it doesent shrink as much as pure PLA
08:21 AM methods_: JT-Shop: found you something nice to wear with your chickens
08:21 AM methods_: https://www.etsy.com/listing/735419435/neon-rainbow-chicken-tutu-chicken-outfit
08:30 AM JT-Shop: I'm pretty sure the other hens would laugh at one wearing that... speaking of chickens time to pick up the poopcicles
08:34 AM Loetmichel: Javabean: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17703&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
08:35 AM Loetmichel: thats not overengineered, is it?
08:36 AM unterhaus: I could probably get away with amazon motors, but I dont' know how to derate a motor. Automation direct seems like a good idea
08:37 AM Javabean: oh, heavens no... there is too many flat surfaces to be "overengineered"
08:38 AM Loetmichel: was just 10 minutes in the cad, then another minute in cura, then sending it to the printer after checking its not occupied on the webcam ;)
08:38 AM Loetmichel: THATS why you have a print farm at the company with webcams on each printer K)
08:38 AM Loetmichel: ;-)
08:39 AM Javabean: meh, a good printer should shart that out pretty quickly
08:40 AM Loetmichel: 6 hours
08:41 AM Loetmichel: i meant: if you have a print farm central to your company that all workers have access to: better make sure they can look at the bed before sending a print job... could get ugly fast otherwise ;)
08:46 AM Javabean: hah, we only "share" 2 channels... and yet i can still give myself a headache chatting with you
08:47 AM Loetmichel: i have about 30 cahnnels open here. maybe we share more?
08:47 AM Loetmichel: :-)
08:48 AM Javabean: i checked, only here and reprap... what else you got thats good?
08:49 AM Loetmichel: ##electronics for example
08:49 AM Loetmichel: and a few others ;)
08:49 AM Loetmichel: thats the only "common" one on this server
08:50 AM * Javabean grumbles, had to drop ##electronics due to migraines
08:50 AM Loetmichel: maybe #ubuntu-de if you are german
08:50 AM Loetmichel: migraines?
08:50 AM Javabean: nien deutsche sprekenze
08:50 AM Loetmichel: cause of all the trolls there?
08:51 AM Javabean: trolls and hyperphysics
08:51 AM Loetmichel: Javabean: "Ich spreche kein Deutsch"
08:51 AM Loetmichel: and now you do ;)
08:51 AM Loetmichel: trolls is why the ignorelist was invented ;)
08:52 AM Javabean: yeah... been tempted to go back, if only for the log
08:54 AM Javabean: hmm, ought to see if there is a EDM(milling) channel
09:13 AM JT-Shop: there is a ##chickens channel
09:13 AM unterhaus: that sounds pretty useful
09:13 AM unterhaus: if you raise chickens
09:16 AM * SpeedEvil wonders how fast a chicken could type with hunt-and-peck.
09:16 AM gregcnc: click farm?
09:18 AM JT-Shop: we talk about anything on that channel
09:23 AM methods_: did you post the chicken tutus in there
09:23 AM methods_: i want a cut of the sales from ##chickens
09:34 AM JT-Shop: lol
09:34 AM * JT-Shop is stuck here all day waiting for UPS to deliver a package from Mesa
09:35 AM JT-Shop: since they changed the route up I'm at the end of the run usually but not always...
09:40 AM flyback: https://www.eetimes.com/isolated-power-transfer-in-an-ic-sized-package/
09:41 AM flyback: BMCC
09:41 AM * flyback bitchslaps Elmo40
10:03 AM p0g0: cluck farm?
11:42 AM unterhaus: now trending: don't pop bubble wrap because the air is from China
12:02 PM skunkworks: yikes
12:02 PM skunkworks: I bought some stuff from china and the guys here thought I should wait opening them
12:06 PM CaptHindsight: does it contain any small animals?
12:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200221-sitrep-32-covid-19.pdf page 2
12:11 PM CaptHindsight: viability and survival time
12:16 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
12:16 PM cradek_ is now known as cradek
12:34 PM CaptHindsight: https://mdaprecision.com/products/benchtop-milling-machines/5-axis-cnc-systems/tn5-v6-tc8/ $48,950
12:35 PM methods_: https://toywiz.com/neca-chia-bernie-sanders-chia-pet/
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: is pocket NC and the Chinese router stuff the only other option besides DIY for a small 5-axis mill?
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: Datron and Hass prices are even higher
12:35 PM * JT-Shop airs up the tires and lubes the chain on the mountain bike hoping FedSex delivers soon
12:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/Sunwin-Column-Engraving-Machine-High-pricision/dp/B00G7AZCQE
12:46 PM CaptHindsight: $3k https://www.amazon.com/UCONTRO-Desktop-Engraving-Machine-LinuxCNC/dp/B074QLGSRN/ref=pd_sbs_147_7
12:46 PM CaptHindsight: and how much time to rebuild it properly to cut plastic?
12:51 PM gregcnc: POE steppers? https://www.applied-motion.com/news/2019/08/integrated-motors-power-over-ethernet-poe
12:52 PM CaptHindsight: where do you get the cat6 with 14ga wires?
12:53 PM CaptHindsight: nema14 32oz-in
12:53 PM gregcnc: I don't think there is any serious options for 5axis besides what you mention
12:54 PM gregcnc: in that price range
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: pocket NC is $6k or $9k based on the spindle option
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: quite a gap from the flimsy ChinaMill to the $50K MDA
12:59 PM gregcnc: http://www.5axismaker.com/ looks not much better, but they may have their own 5x software
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: https://support.pocketnc.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017884294-How-do-I-choose-between-the-V2-10-and-V2-50-
01:00 PM CaptHindsight: mach3 on the axismaker
01:01 PM CaptHindsight: all cobbled from t-slot
01:02 PM CaptHindsight: Â£5,000
01:02 PM CaptHindsight: ~$6500
01:04 PM * JT-Shop wonders how he could simulate a mouse button press with a push button to wake the screen up
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: from what distance and wirelessly?
01:05 PM CaptHindsight: trying to kill power management in Debian?
01:06 PM gregcnc: huh looks like pocketNC got into dental https://youtu.be/iB9J_B1Om5A
01:06 PM JT-Shop: it can be wired it's on the mill
01:07 PM JT-Shop: I've turned off every power saving "feature" that I can find and screen still goes black after about 10 minutes
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: hah, thank those devs
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: what distro?
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: we always curse the devs here when we have to fix that
01:09 PM CaptHindsight: I forget now, it's either a kernel option or a combo of that and really killing the daemon
01:10 PM JT-Shop: debian 10 IIRC
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: yes, they are taking US orders
01:10 PM gregcnc: what they're doing there is a great application
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: do they rely on fusion360 for CAM?
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://support.pocketnc.com/hc/en-us/articles/360041096274-What-is-the-general-workflow-of-trimming-the-aligner-
01:15 PM CaptHindsight: the patents for aligners expired so everybody is jumping in on it like 3d printers
01:16 PM gregcnc: oh, i had no idea, should be affordable now.
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: hahaha
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: they are only about $2k now vs $8k
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: for $2 of plastic
01:17 PM gregcnc: yeah, how many sets average?
01:17 PM methods_: JT-Shop: training video for your chickens
01:17 PM methods_: https://imgur.com/gallery/aN8jFIj
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: a set every 2 weeks for
01:19 PM CaptHindsight: I can print aligners and skip the molds and thermoforming
01:19 PM veegee: Hey guys what are those sliding metal way covers called?
01:20 PM gregcnc: way covers
01:20 PM veegee: Ok yeah my fault for phrasing that poorly
01:20 PM veegee: I have rubber accordion way covers now but I don't really like them and want to replace them with rigid metal ones
01:20 PM gregcnc: https://dynatect.com/product/protective-covers/machine-way-covers/
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsR0_wTR2a8
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: mass production
01:21 PM JT-Shop: methods_, would not help all my chickens are hens, no roosters to kick a hawk's ass
01:21 PM veegee: gregcnc thanks. I actually asked them for a quote on rubber accordion covers a while ago and they quoted me an insane $500 or so for a kit you can acquire for $40 on ebay
01:21 PM veegee: I shudder to think what their quote would be for metal ones
01:21 PM gregcnc: yeah stupid expensive
01:21 PM veegee: probably more than I paid for the machine itself
01:22 PM gregcnc: wear item
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: veegee: i was quoted $10K
01:22 PM veegee: CaptHindsight are you serious?
01:22 PM veegee: I was just kidding when I said probably more than I paid for the machine, but that's WAAAYYYYYY more than what I paid for the machine
01:22 PM veegee: wtf are they smoking?
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: yes, was more than the whole machine for SS covers, set of 2
01:23 PM gregcnc: i've read on fourms stupid expensive. can't run without them
01:23 PM veegee: Ok that quote is so offensive I'm going to ask them for a quote and troll them for a bit to waste their time
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: https://buww.com/
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: I also got quotes on vinyl roll up covers
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: not cheap either
01:25 PM gregcnc: they just aren't commodity items and made to order
01:25 PM veegee: When I install my ball screw kit, I'm going to fully clean the table and saddle and ways. So when I put it back together, I want to keep it as clean as possible
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.shaverinc.com/machine-safety-protection/steel-way-covers/steel-way-covers/
01:26 PM veegee: Hmm there must be a way to DIY
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: also the SS roll-up types
01:26 PM gregcnc: what machine?
01:28 PM veegee: Bridgeport clone
01:28 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.webstaurantstore.com/choice-full-size-standard-pan-and-cooling-rack-pan-grate-set-8-deep/407FULLDR8KT.html we were going to use them to cover these pans
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: SS pan $50, SS roll up cover $5,000
01:32 PM gregcnc: probably why restaurants use lids
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: this was for a lab machine
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: water baths
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: there are robot arms to pick and place parts into the baths so the same arms can put the $10 lids on and off
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: but the roll-up cover are more dramatic
01:35 PM gregcnc: were you talking about aligners the other day? they were talking about trimming in that video but it sounds like the dr does it online
01:35 PM gregcnc: wow lines of chirons
01:41 PM JT-Shop: CaptHindsight, john@bpmill:~$ xdg-screensaver status
01:41 PM JT-Shop: enabled
02:00 PM SpeedEvil is now known as TabletEvil
02:00 PM TabletEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: frustrating that the Debian devs have the screen killer left on by default
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: been that way for years
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: the Chirons are overkill for trimming thin plastic
02:28 PM gregcnc: sure, but they are built for 24/7
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: but they work, have support and somebody approved the budget for them
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: $100k+ x many
02:29 PM gregcnc: i think 200k starting
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: those are the ones you want to buy at auction :)
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: only used on thin plastic 24/7
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: never touched metal
02:35 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: screen killer?
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: yes the many layers Debian leaves enabled to make your screen go dark
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: like the world depends on this
02:37 PM Tom_L: it's the only thing that keeps world peace
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: i recall some Ubuntu version was the worst
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: i think we built a new kernel to stop it from happening
02:38 PM XXCoder: i wonder if xscreensaver does same thing
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: it's one of the layers
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: but yeah kill that
02:39 PM XXCoder: nah it works better as locking screen than lightdm
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: and then see whatever else they left on to blank your screen during machining
02:39 PM XXCoder: lightdm freezes once a while
02:39 PM XXCoder: linuxcnc I dont use screensaver or lock screen anything
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://pocketnc.com/pages/dental looks like they have some sort of cloud based 5-axis CAM
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: 1000 trim credits to access the software
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: upload trim line
02:49 PM CaptHindsight: wonder if they have some deal with autodesk
02:50 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, I heard they gave up on developing their own 5-axis CAM and had a deal with Fusion360.
02:51 PM Rab: Where I heard that, I do not recall, but it was surely on the Internet.
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: what I figured
02:51 PM Papagno: Hi at all . If complile actual master with last git for g71 have error in compile : emc/rs274ngc/interp_g7x.cc:25:32: warning: unknown option after ‘#pragma GCC diagnostic’ kind [-Wpragmas]
02:51 PM Papagno: <Papagno> emc/rs274ngc/interp_g7x.cc:27:5: error: missing space between ‘""’ and suffix identifier
02:51 PM Papagno: <Papagno> emc/rs274ngc/interp_g7x.cc:29:27: error: expected declaration before end of line
02:51 PM Papagno: <Papagno> make: *** [objects/emc/rs274ngc/interp_g7x.o] Error 1
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: so they make some $ for every part cut
03:59 PM Deejay: gn8
04:58 PM JT-Shop: Automation Direct has a $49 CPU that is compatible with Arduino MKRZero shields
04:58 PM JT-Shop: as well as theirs
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: almost anything is better than ladder logic
05:03 PM * JT-Shop likes laddder logic
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: the *dunio + breakout board is about $49
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: or more
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: it's worth it just for the ease of the IO
05:05 PM Loetmichel: *note to self: DONT switch off the flourescent desklamp when the printer is one hour into a four hour print. :-( also MAAN does that "Silk Gold" filamen printe niiice... (and that benchy isnt too bad for the first print (actual the second, the first was a calibration tube) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17706&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
05:09 PM JT-Shop: calibration tube?
05:21 PM Loetmichel: JT-Shop: s/tube/cube
05:22 PM Loetmichel: that thing: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17700
05:22 PM Loetmichel: to calibrate the drives of the printer
05:23 PM JT-Shop: is that on thingiverse?
05:24 PM Tom_L: iirc it's one of the first things you print on a new printer
05:26 PM Loetmichel: indeed
05:26 PM Loetmichel: indeed
05:30 PM _unreal_: hello
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/db/f8/4f/70/50/9632e08e66e468ec20e68cec7187f9a8_preview_featured.JPG not this :)
05:35 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1278865
05:35 PM Loetmichel: its to calibrate the xyz steps per mm
05:36 PM Loetmichel: ah, that was JT-Shop
05:36 PM Loetmichel: sorry
05:45 PM CaptHindsight: my test file is for resin printers vs glue guns
06:43 PM jthornton: hmm I seem to have a vertical line on my monitor
06:49 PM infornography: That is an.... alignment feature. In the home version of the game.
06:51 PM infornography: Unless it's the line that only appears in the pirated version of linuxcnc
06:55 PM _unreal_: !!! you pirated linuxcnc
06:55 PM _unreal_: ! YOU BASTARD
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