#linuxcnc Logs

Jan 02 2020

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:22 AM XXCoder: cool
12:27 AM XXCoder: hope those can bear up
12:27 AM nvz: I ordered my bearings and they got delivered.. but I shipped them to the wrong address :P I shipped em to my fathers house like a marooon
12:27 AM nvz: XXCoder: and yes, I use Debian 10.2 Buster
12:27 AM XXCoder: cool
12:27 AM XXCoder: might evenually do a clean wipe and install debian
12:27 AM XXCoder: does xfce for debian work?
12:28 AM nvz: in XFCE I had to manually enable and configure each display
12:28 AM nvz: XXCoder: no, for support in #debian
12:28 AM XXCoder: ahh cool :)
12:29 AM nvz: I've been using and supporting Debian nearly 20 years
12:29 AM nvz: I can't much stand working in IT.. the field pisses me off too much
12:29 AM nvz: I just cussed out a company trying to recruit me for a job I actually wanted 6 months ago.. even built a whole life plan around
12:30 AM nvz: cause they're at least the 6th headhunters that have made me different offers on this damn job and when you go through the whole process they act like they're not sure if the company even needs people
12:30 AM XXCoder: jeez
12:31 AM nvz: I even told them I was willing to do this 6mo ago for the 16/hr I was offered by another company.. and you offering me double at this point is just f'n insulting after I moved to go find work elsewhere
12:32 AM nvz: its not about the money for me.. I need money like most people, but I'm not ruled by it.. I considered working for that company cause I believed in what they were doing and I was perfectly skilled for it
12:33 AM XXCoder: finally some progress
12:33 AM XXCoder: eat seat0: Failed to find session configuration lightdm-slack-greeter
12:33 AM nvz: one recruiter even tried to tell me I'm overskilled for the position.. I said well then you're lucky I'm willing to do it for peanuts.. cause the kinda people you're liable to find that are green enough to work for that rate are probably not going to know linux like I do
12:35 AM nvz: I hate these damn tech companies with their meaningless double speak and b.s. they pull it drives me insane
12:36 AM XXCoder: yeah some places corp culture is just bad
12:36 AM nvz: I got contacted to do some contract work for GlaxoSmithKline once and they grilled me about having a Dell Certification.. I said do you even know what a Dell Certification is? The company nearly went under over one bad phone call and the following internet smear campaign.. so they developed an ass-kissing course its got nothing to do with technology..
12:37 AM XXCoder: dell lol
12:37 AM nvz: furthermore what I was hired for and ultimately did, was went in after hours to an empty building and worked out logistics of moving empty dell docking stations and monitors on arms from cubicle to cubicle so they could lease 1/3 of their office space
12:37 AM nvz: I interacted with no customers, worked on absolutely nothing technical.. etc..
12:38 AM nvz: I could tell a million stories like that.. Bayer, Wells Fargo.. you name it..
12:38 AM nvz: its always the same bullshit
12:38 AM XXCoder: yeah
12:38 AM XXCoder: current job, you like it?
12:38 AM nvz: they have no idea what they want, other than to scrutinize and argue with you
12:39 AM nvz: I'm currently unemployed.. kind of a vacation if you will.. heh.. though I'm going back to work next week and working on trying to make a business on the side out of this cnc crap
12:40 AM elmo40: nvz, I too love Debian.
12:40 AM elmo40: If they had a stronger commercial following, how RedHat and them did, I think Debian would be the one distro to rule them all.
12:40 AM nvz: elmo40: loving debian is red </taylor swift>
12:41 AM * Wolf__ wants to love debian… but doesnt know how to do anything in linux….
12:41 AM elmo40: money _still_ rules the world...
12:41 AM elmo40: it is simple. open a terminal and type fancy words
12:41 AM elmo40: ;-)
12:42 AM nvz: This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.
12:42 AM Wolf__: I just do QC checks on JT’s how to pages to see if they are idiot proof
12:43 AM elmo40: Wolf__, you can use a phone to do that.
12:43 AM elmo40: web browser
12:43 AM XXCoder: fancy
12:43 AM elmo40: no OS required...
12:44 AM Wolf__: lol, its how I have my current Lcnc machine setup and mostly working
12:46 AM Wolf__: managed to get a mesa ethernet setup and working just using his how to page
12:55 AM XXCoder: allright lets see if I finally fixed it
12:58 AM XXCoder: fixed!
01:05 AM renesis: no u!
01:05 AM XXCoder: fluxed? ;)
03:05 AM Deejay: moin
03:48 AM veegee: My vertical mill (First LC-1-1/2 VS) manual recommends Esso Febis K53 oil for all parts of the head
03:48 AM veegee: Like once daily minimum
03:48 AM XXCoder: hey
03:48 AM p0g0: Esso is still a company?
03:48 AM veegee: Yes in Canada at least
03:48 AM veegee: but I'm trying to find an alternate
03:49 AM p0g0: The oil will have viscocity and detergent ratings.
03:49 AM veegee: But that's not the point. Instead of converting a grease gun to an oil gun, why not get a second "central" pump oiler just for the head?
03:49 AM p0g0: You should be able to match it readily.
03:49 AM veegee: The machine has a central oiler for the slide ways and screws
03:49 AM veegee: but why not have a second one filled with the K53 oil hooked up to the head
03:50 AM veegee: Not sure why people are converting grease guns to oil guns to do this manually when this sounds perfect for the pump oiler: https://eisenm.com/products/manual-pump-oiler-for-bridgeport-milling-machine-one-shot-lubrication-cla8-b
03:51 AM veegee: Also funny that Bridgeport recommends velocite #11 spindle oil
03:51 AM veegee: and the clones recommend something else, I wonder why
03:55 AM XXCoder: clones might want oil to wear out faster? heh
03:56 AM veegee: No but seriously
03:57 AM XXCoder: oil do wear out but besides that dunno
03:57 AM veegee: If it says oil once per day, It's probably because there's no real retaining mechanism for the oil
03:57 AM veegee: it probably drips out over the course of a day
03:58 AM veegee: so it's not the wear of the oil so much because you're changing the oil every day
03:58 AM veegee: just like the way oil, it's not reused
03:58 AM veegee: half of it drips down the sides
03:58 AM XXCoder: i know :)
03:59 AM veegee: I got my 120-240V step up transformer ready, my 240-600V three phase transformer ready, my VFD all configured and hooked up
03:59 AM veegee: just waiting for the oil before I can start using this thing
03:59 AM XXCoder: cool :)
04:08 AM veegee: Next question is, I want to add a CNC feature that's very heavily manually controlled
04:09 AM veegee: that is, I want to be able to be in the middle of a cut, then take my hands off, and then press a button to continue milling an arc for example
04:09 AM XXCoder: theres that automatic manual
04:09 AM XXCoder: its between cnc and manual
04:09 AM veegee: does LinuxCNC have that kind of feature?
04:09 AM veegee: and what's it calleD?
04:09 AM XXCoder: you can define stuff and it runs
04:09 AM XXCoder: its not linuxcnc
04:10 AM XXCoder: ran one of those automatic manuals. it was interesting
04:10 AM veegee: Can you link me to one?
04:10 AM veegee: I'm sure you can do something similar in linuxCNC. If not, I'll add that capability to it
04:10 AM XXCoder: looking a sec
04:11 AM veegee: and if I want to do full CNC eventually, do I absolutely _need_ ballscrews?
04:11 AM XXCoder: problem is that I dont know proper name for such a machine
04:11 AM veegee: yeah me neithr
04:12 AM XXCoder: anyway maybe can do ACME
04:12 AM veegee: it's just something that executes G code
04:12 AM veegee: I'll modify linuxCNC to run basic G code on demand without any extra configuration
04:12 AM XXCoder: system im talking about isnt gcode system, its one you add macro commands and it runs on that
04:12 AM veegee: yeah I can modify linuxCNC to do similar
04:12 AM XXCoder: anyway betetr go all way to cnc anyway
04:13 AM XXCoder: ballscrews can be quite cheap from china
04:13 AM veegee: you tell it to cut an arc with parameters a, b, c
04:13 AM XXCoder: just repaclk balls yourself
04:13 AM XXCoder: remove bad balls and put in good ones
04:13 AM veegee: I want like actual precision ground ballscrews
04:13 AM veegee: and not sure what dimensions are recommended for the bridgeport clone I have
04:13 AM XXCoder: dunno too
04:13 AM veegee: cnczone forum might be a better place to ask
04:14 AM XXCoder: maybe
04:14 AM veegee: Also, what's a good starter endmill kit?
04:14 AM veegee: I have collets and everything, just no endmills. Can you recommend some good endmills to start with? Going to order today or tomorrow
04:15 AM XXCoder: dunno on that too, work shop uses expensive ones lol
04:15 AM veegee: I don't mind
04:15 AM veegee: I want solid carbide
04:15 AM XXCoder: I'd start off with cheap ones
04:15 AM XXCoder: just till know how machine runs and all
04:16 AM XXCoder: then move on to better ones
04:16 AM veegee: runs like a standard bridgeport in good condition
04:16 AM veegee: there's probably zero difference in how it runs
04:17 AM veegee: Going to practice machining wood first
04:17 AM XXCoder: then I guess can go stright to good stuff, in least till convert to cnc
04:18 AM veegee: I guess cheap steel endmills are fine for wood
04:18 AM XXCoder: probably, just make sure it can declog
04:19 AM XXCoder: or machines becomes a very big and awkward firestarter ;)
04:55 AM Tom_L: morning
04:55 AM XXCoder: yo
05:03 AM jthornton: morning
05:03 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:21 AM jymmmm: Good morning
05:21 AM Deejay: hi
05:23 AM jymmmm: veegee: I like CMT router bits... https://www.amazon.com/slp/CMT-Router-Bits/p372ck3cj5tp47s
05:25 AM jymmmm: veegee: They have both upcut and downcut, solid carbide... https://www.amazon.com/CMT-191-008-11-Carbide-Spiral-Diameter/dp/B000P4HOEQ
07:00 AM _unreal_: well that was fun...
07:01 AM _unreal_: my daughter is at a friends house for a while today. "going" to the friends house tomorrow. but I got a txt yesterday from work saying hope you guys all had a great holiday and vacation see you all tomorrow.
07:02 AM _unreal_: I never even thought about it. got ready for work. dropped off my daughter much to the supprise of her friends parents who thought OH SHIT WHAT DAY IS IT?
07:03 AM _unreal_: so now she's having an un expected playdate
07:03 AM _unreal_: soo anyone else have any WTF moments today?
07:05 AM _unreal_: called "the service manager" and he said ya bunch of guys tried to show up at work. and HE was not part of the group text message.
07:05 AM _unreal_: ahh... ya lousy bum
07:06 AM _unreal_: beachbumpete1, whats new?
07:26 AM _unreal_: ?
07:46 AM beachbumpete1: Hey Unreal
07:46 AM _unreal_: hay ya bum
07:47 AM beachbumpete1: Happy New year
07:47 AM beachbumpete1: Im so pissed at my printer right now ;)
07:49 AM _unreal_: dont feel bad I'm pissed at work
07:49 AM _unreal_: they sent out a message yesterday saying hope you had a great vaca see ya at work tomorrow
07:49 AM _unreal_: dropped my daughter off to her "friends house" much to there suprise
07:50 AM _unreal_: got a TXT 10min later "thought we were doing this fri" I'm like WHAAA?
07:50 AM _unreal_: come to find out a bunch of people tried to go to work
07:53 AM _unreal_: beachbumpete1, ?
07:54 AM beachbumpete1: man that sux
07:54 AM beachbumpete1: I ordered and installed a bunch of upgrade parts for my printer over the holiday break
07:54 AM _unreal_: almost two hours later got an oh sorry for the confusion group text
07:54 AM beachbumpete1: now I cant get it to first layer right
07:54 AM _unreal_: ?
07:55 AM beachbumpete1: tried a bunch of things no luck
07:55 AM beachbumpete1: I installed a bunch of new corner braces for the frame, a new nozzle, new belts, and a few other items.
07:56 AM beachbumpete1: now it prints a nice test cube fine
07:56 AM _unreal_: so what is it not doing?
07:56 AM beachbumpete1: but when i tired to print the nautilus shell
07:56 AM beachbumpete1: it failed to stick down on the end
07:56 AM beachbumpete1: I use glue sticks and glass plate normally
07:56 AM beachbumpete1: never had a problem so far once I figured it out
07:57 AM beachbumpete1: now I tried four times and it failed each time
07:57 AM beachbumpete1: I THINK it is the new stainless steel nozzle or a setting or something.
07:57 AM beachbumpete1: really frustrating
08:02 AM _unreal_: its not sticking to the surface ?
08:03 AM _unreal_: I'm not sure EXACTLY what the failure is by your description
08:06 AM beachbumpete1: yeah not sticking and my initial height is probably off now
08:06 AM _unreal_: ok not sticking to the surface
08:07 AM _unreal_: so that means that ether your hotplate is not at the right temp. OR your extruder tip is not at the right TEMP
08:07 AM _unreal_: do you put down blue masking tape at all?
08:14 AM _unreal_: I dont know that I would assume the height is off. does your printer have a touch sensor for bed leveling?
08:15 AM _unreal_: IF so then the end of the tip "should" be transparent because the tip is used as the sensor point of contact.
08:24 AM _unreal_: beachbumpete1, ?
08:26 AM beachbumpete1: Yeah no sensor, manual leveling.. no tape just glass plate and glue stick normally. never had a problem before with it.
08:26 AM beachbumpete1: bed is heated to 45c for this pla
08:28 AM _unreal_: there is no touch sensor in the tip?
08:28 AM _unreal_: did you build your printer?
08:30 AM _unreal_: first of all I'd dbl check your temp. if you have a new tip it may be cold
08:30 AM _unreal_: if the bed has not changed then likely nothing has changed there
08:31 AM _unreal_: the new tip may be drawing more power. you may need to calibrate the temp range in the tip.
08:32 AM beachbumpete1: nope no sensor came that way. it was a kit.. will check tip temp with my digital therm when I get home..
08:46 AM * _unreal_ feels like a chines guy.. NO you chek now
08:48 AM _unreal_: Whaaaa ? xxcoder is not online
08:48 AM _unreal_: omg
08:51 AM _unreal_: anyone around?
09:03 AM gloops: what seems to be the problem?
09:07 AM _unreal_: no issue just bored
09:07 AM _unreal_: milling my 3rd aluminum part on my machine MUCH better
09:07 AM _unreal_: figured out how to change the milling direction in ESTLcam
09:07 AM _unreal_: now I'm doing climb cutting, cut the feed rate in half down to 100mm/min
09:08 AM _unreal_: same plunge as before
09:08 AM _unreal_: much better results thus far
09:08 AM _unreal_: :S and an hour and a half cut time now
09:08 AM _unreal_: for a single part
09:10 AM _unreal_: I'm making the mounts for my new machine
09:11 AM _unreal_: gloops, opinion question. single flute upcut high rpm or two flue straight for milling aluminum?
09:36 AM ziper: https://www.sophiabrueckner.com/justsand.html
09:38 AM methods_: pew pew
09:40 AM beachbumpete1: back atcha :)
09:40 AM _unreal_: ?
09:43 AM _unreal_: 4min left on my aluminum part
09:43 AM _unreal_: quality so far looks amazing
10:08 AM Loetmichel: *giggle* $me just went to the home improvement store and bought fir lumber in planed/chamfered for 130eur... i am seriously wondering if i can make that into a bedframe without any paper plans, just by gut :-)
10:10 AM elmo40: Loetmichel, sure. why not?
10:11 AM elmo40: will you have this much success?
10:11 AM elmo40: https://frinkiac.com/img/S13E17/960293.jpg
10:11 AM Loetmichel: elmo40: i am not sure if i bought enough lumber, if its rigid enough and if 4 5mm by 100mm framing screws are enough to hold the four 3" square bed foots in place ;)
10:24 AM _unreal_: Loetmichel, i'm sure many crafters in the past of done just that
10:31 AM Loetmichel: _unreal_ :
10:31 AM _unreal_: Loetmichel,
10:31 AM Loetmichel: [17:11] <Loetmichel> Brandano: point was that i went to OBI, got to the lumber isle and went "hmm, that looks sturdy enough, lets think about how many i need of that!"... and proceeded to "build" the bed in my head while buying the lumber
10:31 AM Loetmichel: [17:12] <Loetmichel> you know the "lets see what they have aviable and how i can use that" approach
10:31 AM _unreal_: all the time
10:32 AM Loetmichel: sorry, took a second to find the lines
10:32 AM _unreal_: well i'm heading off to go say high to my father in the hospital and bring him his mail
10:32 AM _unreal_: back in a few hours
10:34 AM Loetmichel: whish him well from me unbeknownst
11:24 AM dirty_d: When you use a mesa card is linuxcnc still doing the servo PID calculations and stuff, or is it offloaded to the FPGA on the mesa card?
11:40 AM skunkworks: Linuxcnc does the pid stuff
11:46 AM dirty_d: So the mesa card is only making sure the step pulse is 5us long and counting encoder pulses?
11:56 AM pcw_home: The mesa card is setting the pulse length and frequency between updates (at the servo thread rate)
11:58 AM pcw_home: (and counting encoder pulses running UARTS, PWM etc )
11:59 AM dirty_d: hmmm, there's no plan to allow an external controller to take in a buffered stream of steps and handle the realtime stuff itself?
12:00 PM dirty_d: There's a lot of low cost hardware capable of doing that and it wouldn't require a PC running a realtime kernel
12:00 PM Loetmichel: *BOOOARPPPSSSS* maan that was a bad idea to take a whole loaf of toast and make american sandwiches with cheese and ham in the sandwichmaker... wife ate 3 edges, the rest went into my belly... #juuust_a_wafer_thin_mint
12:01 PM dirty_d: kinda want a sandwich now
12:02 PM pcw_home: Yes you can do things like that with an Arduino (for limited step rates) or STM but thinkgs dont work so well when you want complex real time motion features
12:03 PM sensille: like encoder feedback
12:03 PM Loetmichel: pcw_home: if there is no OS to interrupt an 20mhz 8b avr can do plenty of step generation and stuff
12:03 PM dirty_d: I was thinking more like an FPGA with soft processor
12:03 PM dirty_d: a mesa card could do that itself with the right firmware
12:04 PM Loetmichel: IMHO the OS on modern PCs is the problem, it makes the system "nondeterministic" in terms of interruphandling
12:04 PM dirty_d: but I think even one of the faster STM32 microcontrollers could do it
12:05 PM dirty_d: a low end one too maybe. I'm pretty sure most have quadrature decodes built in, not sure how many
12:05 PM sensille: dirty_d: i'm currently building an fpga-based controller board, but with 3d printers as main target
12:06 PM dirty_d: sensille, what sends commands to it though?
12:06 PM sensille: klipper, 3dp controller sw
12:07 PM dirty_d: have you looked at g2core?
12:07 PM sensille: that will at least be my first target
12:07 PM pcw_home: But the PC has the advantage of unlimited memory and floating point performance plus HAL provides a powerful and extensible real time tool kit
12:07 PM sensille: dirty_d: no
12:07 PM dirty_d: it's similar to grbl, but seems better
12:09 PM sensille: in the long run i want to base all motion on b-splines, executed by the fpga
12:09 PM dirty_d: pcw_home, you don't need that to make a motor hold a certain position with encoder feedback though
12:10 PM sensille: you need at least a good floating point performance
12:10 PM dirty_d: I think the PCs performance is better suited to read the gcode and do advanced trajectory planning
12:10 PM dirty_d: then send the planned trajectory to an fpga or microcontroller
12:11 PM sensille: klipper does that on an rpi or pc, and uses an mcu to execute it
12:12 PM dirty_d: the motion controller can coordinate the axes and respond to external events and notify the PC
12:12 PM pcw_home: The problem with buffered systems like Mach is the you are now committed to implement _all_ real time features in the external real time device
12:12 PM sensille: yeah
12:13 PM dirty_d: well, not all if you're using step/dir servo controllers
12:13 PM pcw_home: an the resources and development environment are usually quite inferior to LinuxCNC/HAL
12:14 PM pcw_home: threading,probing,tapping, adaptive feed, PlasmaTHC and any new thing you want to try
12:16 PM dirty_d: Yea, It's definitely good that linuxcnc can do that stuff, but if you're just controlling steppers with no feedback, shouldn't it at least be an option to just plan a trajectory and send out a stream of pulse timings, and let people use that to interface with external controllers?
12:16 PM pcw_home: Having a single locus of control makes a simpler model...
12:17 PM dirty_d: then you could run linuxcnc on a laptop with a normal kernel and use an arduino or something
12:18 PM pcw_home: As soon as you have a buffered system like that you lose most LinuxCNC features so might as well us GRBL or similar
12:18 PM dirty_d: linuxcnc needs to plan the trajectory anyway right? is that exposed so people could write plugins to do something like this if they wanted, like a smoothstepper plugin or something
12:19 PM dirty_d: like what features?
12:19 PM pcw_home: the threading etc mentioned above
12:20 PM dirty_d: but that's just a coordinated movement
12:20 PM pcw_home: nope
12:20 PM dirty_d: the path that the axes need to make is known
12:20 PM pcw_home: Nope
12:20 PM dirty_d: wait, why?
12:21 PM pcw_home: its synchronized to the spindle
12:21 PM dirty_d: yea i know
12:21 PM pcw_home: same with rigid tapping
12:21 PM dirty_d: yea but the external controller would be controlling the spindle too
12:22 PM dirty_d: so it would know to coordinate it with the other axes
12:23 PM sensille: it's somewhat stupid that a powerful PC can't adhere to a strict timing so you have to go 20 years back in time and use a tiny mcu
12:23 PM dirty_d: you could implement that by treating the spindle as another axis motor and sending the pulse timings coordinated with the pulse timings of the other axes
12:24 PM dirty_d: and the external controller just does it
12:24 PM pcw_home: but if the low level stuff is done in a FPGA or MCU the complex real time stuff can be accomplished very well by a PC
12:24 PM _unreal_: hello
12:25 PM _unreal_: milling the second one of my parts now for my new cnc machine
12:25 PM sensille: out of curiosity ... can RT linux reserve full cores for its purposes?
12:25 PM _unreal_: yes
12:25 PM dirty_d: are there other platforms that linuxcnc can run on that have better realtime performance?
12:25 PM pcw_home: dirty_d that only works for servo spindles, most machine have VFD spindles
12:25 PM dirty_d: pcw_home the VFD spindle still has an encoder right?
12:25 PM pcw_home: yes
12:25 PM _unreal_: sensille, you can divide what cores are used for RT and non RT
12:26 PM dirty_d: i mean coordinate with the spindles encoder
12:27 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, yes there are other platforms they are called "linux"
12:27 PM _unreal_: :)
12:27 PM _unreal_: there are other RT os's but I dont know of any that have lcnc built for them
12:27 PM dirty_d: there's a realtime kernel for raspberry pi, if the realtime performance was better that a PC it might be desirable to use linuxcnc on it
12:27 PM pcw_home: yes, you can do that and that is what controllers for Mach, UCCNC etc use
12:28 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, ahh rpi is limited on its CPU
12:28 PM dirty_d: yea, but how much do you really need?
12:28 PM dirty_d: grbl runs on a 8MHz 8-bit arduino
12:28 PM pcw_home: The RPI is worse than many PCs real time wise (but sufficient for LinuxCNC if you are not using software stepping)
12:28 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, also in general an ALL in one computer or computers with "software" gpu's are not a good choice for lcnc IF your using the pc its self to generate pulses
12:28 PM dirty_d: we can definitely get by with 1GHz+
12:29 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, you need to use an external controller MESA for example
12:29 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, btw THE RPI ethernet BLOWS
12:29 PM dirty_d: do you mean like a laptop with integrated graphics?
12:30 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, any computer with intergrated GPU
12:30 PM _unreal_: they SMA the memory
12:30 PM _unreal_: software stepping is not advised
12:30 PM dirty_d: so any laptop then?
12:30 PM _unreal_: not any laptop
12:30 PM dirty_d: well actually they dont hall have the gpu in the cpu
12:30 PM dirty_d: is that what you meant?
12:31 PM _unreal_: doesnt have to be in the CPU can be an "" external"" but still intergrated
12:31 PM _unreal_: its the shared memory system that is the poopatrator
12:31 PM dirty_d: oh gotcha
12:31 PM dirty_d: that makes sense
12:31 PM _unreal_: or SMA
12:31 PM pcw_home: The main issue with laptops and real time is that they tend to have power management stuff that you cannot turn off
12:31 PM _unreal_: I would NOT suggest using a PI for lcnc
12:32 PM dirty_d: so then a laptop with an ethernet mesa card would probably be ok?
12:32 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, more likely then not.. ANY computer tied to a mesa controller will work ok
12:33 PM pcw_home: It might be, you can check by booting the Stretch test image from a USB drive and running the latency test (no need to install)
12:33 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, a 486 50mhz running dos an TURBOCNC using the parallel port can pull 20khz eazy BUT it has to do with the overhead
12:33 PM dirty_d: do you think a closed loop stepper would work better with linuxcnc sending step/dir signals to it's driver, or if linuxcnc received the encoder signals and drive it with a regular stepper driver?
12:34 PM pcw_home: closed loop drives would work better
12:34 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, closed/open isnt going to make it work better or worze
12:34 PM dirty_d: because the PID loop is faster right?
12:34 PM dirty_d: on the controller
12:34 PM _unreal_: FUCK broke a bit
12:35 PM _unreal_: dirty_d, wrong
12:35 PM pcw_home: if LinuxCNC closes the loop, its still a "full current/modulate position" loop
12:35 PM _unreal_: closed loop add's MORE overhead means you have more info to processes.
12:36 PM _unreal_: closed loop depends more on HOW your using it
12:36 PM pcw_home: if you use a good closed loop step driver its a full servo system that modulates the current (torque)
12:36 PM _unreal_: if your motor controller has the encoder feature built in
12:36 PM _unreal_: or if your using the computer directly to software read that info
12:36 PM dirty_d: I meant the PID loop on a closed loop stepper driver runs faster than linuxcnc could it itself, I would think
12:37 PM _unreal_: depends on the driver and the DRIVE
12:37 PM dirty_d: yea
12:37 PM Tom_L: pcw_home, do you happen to know what files your dpll routines are in?
12:37 PM _unreal_: and the LOAD the motor is dealing with
12:37 PM _unreal_: so dirty_d no not really
12:37 PM Tom_L: wanted to see how it gets initialized
12:37 PM pcw_home: Yes it typically runs at 20 KHz or better (and runs a torque loop on good drives)
12:38 PM pcw_home: Tom_L: Topxxxx.vhd
12:38 PM _unreal_: no wonder
12:38 PM dirty_d: I ordered a leadshine hbs86H to play with
12:38 PM _unreal_: the stupid little center some how snagged and locked the endmill
12:38 PM _unreal_: instead of bbeing thrown out
12:39 PM Tom_L: thanks
12:39 PM pcw_home: Tom_L: (not really routines just setup)
12:39 PM Tom_L: yeah that's what i'm interested in
12:39 PM Tom_L: just trying to learn a bit
12:43 PM _unreal_: ok back up and running
12:43 PM _unreal_: switched to the two flute. but its straight end mill not up cut :/
12:43 PM pcw_home: Tom_L not sure my code is the best example (VHDL from a guy the started with DTL logic...)
12:44 PM Tom_L: just trying to figure out how to use the built in features of the chip right now
12:44 PM _unreal_: dtl logic?
12:47 PM pcw_home: Diode-Transistor-Logic
12:47 PM _unreal_: wow this bit is so much louder
12:47 PM Tom_L: old tech
12:48 PM pcw_home: Yep I'm an old Tech :-)
12:48 PM Tom_L: well me too but not so much tech
12:50 PM * nvz gives Tom_L a fist wedge
12:51 PM nvz: now you're a sophisticated caveman!
12:51 PM Tom_L: pcw_home, is ClockMultH part of it?
12:53 PM _unreal_: and the bit cloged and snapped
12:53 PM _unreal_: @#$@#$
12:53 PM _unreal_: ok back to the up cutter
12:54 PM _unreal_: oh look nvz would be an example of new tech
12:54 PM pcw_home: Tom_L: where do you see that?
12:54 PM Tom_L: topepphostmot2
12:55 PM Tom_L: 7i90 files
12:55 PM Tom_L: ~ln300
12:56 PM _unreal_: ! now I know why it snapped
12:57 PM Tom_L: op error
12:57 PM _unreal_: the part is not down FLAT to the waste board
12:57 PM pcw_home: that's just an arbitrary name for the componanet instantiation
12:57 PM Tom_L: ok
12:57 PM _unreal_: to much plunge
12:57 PM _unreal_: will be ok after the first pass
12:59 PM _unreal_: I was like WTF
12:59 PM _unreal_: snapped the bit??? then snapped the second one, so I went back to the up cut bits and it started to drag at the same point. that was my somethings wrong here clue
01:00 PM pcw_home: Tom_L: That's how primitives are instantiated: LocalName : PrimitiveName
01:00 PM _unreal_: pcw_home, what is your dtl hardware?
01:04 PM pcw_home: I built stuff many (many) years ago with DTL (HNIL) parts
01:04 PM pcw_home: controllers for diffusion furnaces
01:08 PM _unreal_: pcw_home, still no idea heh... I have a bunch of PLC hardware on hand. never used
01:11 PM Tom_L: DTL was like 70's tech wasn't it?
01:13 PM pcw_home: yeah even late 60s
01:14 PM pcw_home: a step up from RTL
01:30 PM _unreal_: got a link?
01:30 PM _unreal_: 20min left and my second part is done
01:30 PM _unreal_: the major lead screw mounts for my new cnc machine will be done
01:30 PM _unreal_: hell its done now just dont the finish passes
01:31 PM _unreal_: dont=doing
01:32 PM _unreal_: nothing like letting a CNC do the dirty work :)
01:40 PM Connor: Anyone recommend a good all round coolant for use in Lathe, CNC Mill, horizontal band saw, and surface grinder? I've been using Premier 600 Synthetic Coolant (Sold by Tomrach way back when).
01:41 PM Tom_L: Connor i use rustlic
01:41 PM tiwake: colgate toothpaste
01:41 PM tiwake: works wonders
01:41 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Rustlick1.jpg
01:42 PM Connor: Had problems in the bandsaw though.. It looks like it's not draining all that well, so stands in the chip tray, then water evaporates off, then I add new water, but it must be diluting it. Saw some rust spots on it.
01:42 PM _unreal_: tiwake, minty finish?
01:45 PM _unreal_: not even a chuckel
01:46 PM tiwake: not from me... feel too sick at the moment.. went home from work early today
01:46 PM _unreal_: I dont go back to work till tomorrow
01:46 PM _unreal_: two weeks off paid :)
01:47 PM Connor: Looking at the DuraKut 4010 (What tormach is selling now)
01:47 PM _unreal_: final pass finally
01:47 PM _unreal_: will be nice to get this last part onto my CNC
01:48 PM _unreal_: last major part, till I get parts in :/ and start building the Z
01:48 PM _unreal_: X/z and Z assembly are all thats left on tttthe new cnc really
01:53 PM Connor: Anyone have recommendations for coolant standing in a horizontal bandsaw chip try and not draining? Damn tray is flat.. and with the floor slightly not level, it just puddles at one end.
02:05 PM methods_: tilt the floor the other direction?
02:06 PM Connor: I never understood why they made the chip trays flat.. Why not a little bit of a funnel shape to the center of the drain?
02:08 PM _unreal_: Connor, thats what they make a hammer for. give it a BIT of a dip in an area ;)
02:09 PM _unreal_: ok all 4 of my lead screw mount locations have been finished
02:09 PM miss0r: 'evening
02:10 PM _unreal_: afternoon
02:10 PM _unreal_: litteraly
02:10 PM _unreal_: 4 here
02:10 PM _unreal_: 3
02:10 PM miss0r: its 9 here... so ahh :)
02:10 PM miss0r: Only possible conclusion: your timezone is wrong :P
02:11 PM _unreal_: I guess your going to tell me your in france
02:11 PM _unreal_: :)
02:12 PM miss0r: hehe... Le hehe that is
02:12 PM miss0r: and no, I am not :D I might even take offence to that
02:12 PM miss0r: I am in Denmark ;) But I get where you are comming from :D
02:13 PM _unreal_: you smell what I'm sinken
02:13 PM _unreal_: heh
02:13 PM miss0r: hehe Indeed
02:13 PM _unreal_: enjoying the tropics here
02:13 PM miss0r: Enjoying the shitty cold weather that won't quite turn into a proper snowstorm
02:14 PM _unreal_: hehe its only 81F outside
02:14 PM _unreal_: yesterday I mowed the lawn
02:14 PM miss0r: which is good. My 4x4 is grounded due to a major oil leak.. so it would suck to just sit back and wait till it blows over knowing I would LOVE to be out driving it
02:14 PM miss0r: damn
02:14 PM miss0r: We are hovering around 35f
02:14 PM _unreal_: ya I gave up on winter when I got the chance in 2013
02:15 PM _unreal_: 35 years of winter bullshit
02:15 PM _unreal_: and I dont miss it
02:15 PM _unreal_: miss0r, ever heard of earthcam?
02:15 PM miss0r: Nope
02:15 PM miss0r: is that a CAM package of some sort?
02:16 PM _unreal_: https://www.earthcam.com/usa/florida/fortlauderdale/everglades/?cam=everglades
02:16 PM _unreal_: this is live
02:17 PM _unreal_: LIVE right now
02:17 PM _unreal_: fyi TURN the audio on. its an in video setting
02:18 PM miss0r: Looks like you could locate a mosquito around there...
02:18 PM _unreal_: endless
02:18 PM miss0r: Looks nice :)
02:18 PM _unreal_: give it a few and you'll see peole laoding onto a boat or one of them comming back in
02:18 PM _unreal_: I use to use earthcam to help me "get through" winter
02:18 PM miss0r: I went on a "swamp boat" tour in Louisiana some years ago. Looked alot like that
02:19 PM _unreal_: :)
02:19 PM _unreal_: here comes a boat
02:19 PM nvz: I thought they just rode crocodile back in louisiana :P
02:20 PM _unreal_: there goes a boat
02:20 PM miss0r: A friend of mine moved to lake charles, So I've visited on several occations
02:20 PM _unreal_: theres some people
02:20 PM _unreal_: its been what? 4 years since I took my daughter on that
02:20 PM _unreal_: I'm going to have to take her to that park again
02:20 PM miss0r: I don't like people :D Which is why I almost live isolated here in the contry zone. :D
02:21 PM miss0r: well.. unless you are my wife/children/friends.
02:21 PM _unreal_: may be soo BUT cant argue that it helps to watch summer LIVE for a bit
02:21 PM _unreal_: ya cant forget the wife....
02:22 PM _unreal_: children can be lent out to fam for short times but cant forget the wife ;)
02:22 PM _unreal_: I use to stream some of these streams to my media pc setup.
02:22 PM _unreal_: when I use to live in maine
02:23 PM _unreal_: middle of winter. trust me it made a difference
02:23 PM miss0r: hehe don't get me wrong about the weather here. Apparently I have some viking ancestry.. if the ambient temperature is above 68 I get uncomfortable.. But 60, Wearing t-shirt and shorts is a nice temperature for sitting around not doing much :)(
02:23 PM _unreal_: summer is not that hot. its just getting use to it
02:23 PM _unreal_: and DONT think your alone
02:23 PM miss0r: hehe, I get that. the little I know about Maine is what I learned watching that horrible "gold divers" show...
02:23 PM _unreal_: I'm 100% euro mut
02:24 PM miss0r: euro mut? :) You'll need to elaborate on that
02:24 PM _unreal_: I am 100% euro background
02:24 PM _unreal_: my mother is swedish, my father is italian. and spreads out from there
02:25 PM _unreal_: my fathers father came from northern italy
02:25 PM miss0r: I hope you took your look from the italians and your temperment from the sweeds... :D
02:25 PM _unreal_: likely
02:25 PM miss0r: well.. both from the sweedes, actualy :D
02:26 PM _unreal_: every one says I look Scandinavian
02:26 PM _unreal_: VERY Scandinavian
02:26 PM miss0r: almost transparrent skin color?
02:26 PM miss0r: :P
02:27 PM methods_: he's walkin around with a helmet with horns on it
02:27 PM _unreal_: blond blue eye
02:27 PM beachbumpete1: Anyone using Fusion360 that knows how to slow down a joint animation? I know there is the animation environment but I am talking about slowing down the simple joint or model animation in the design space?
02:27 PM _unreal_: and a VERY high alcohol tollarence
02:28 PM _unreal_: miss0r, I'm in south florida I GOT me a tan everywhere the sun shines
02:28 PM _unreal_: want to see where the sun DONT shine ;)
02:28 PM miss0r: Not particularly, no :)
02:29 PM _unreal_: believe you me my ass could blind a person in the sun shine
02:29 PM _unreal_: refelective properties that is
02:29 PM miss0r: amature... I can do that in the dark
02:29 PM miss0r: :D
02:29 PM _unreal_: before I moved south that was me
02:29 PM miss0r: One reason I've always wanted to visit Maine is the crap festival
02:30 PM _unreal_: crap festival?
02:30 PM methods_: mmmmmm
02:30 PM _unreal_: What area of maine?
02:30 PM methods_: tasty craps
02:30 PM _unreal_: I'm from down east, bar harbor
02:30 PM _unreal_: ellsworth
02:30 PM miss0r: I don't know :) I just watched a show about that at some point in the past
02:30 PM _unreal_: never heard of it
02:31 PM _unreal_: I can tell you this. if you ever want to visit maine GO in july
02:31 PM miss0r: I've never actualy been. I don't think I could persuade my wife to fly halfway across the world to eat crap in the cold.. Two reasons basically: One) She doesn't like sea food. two) she hates cold weather
02:31 PM _unreal_: and go to mount desert island
02:31 PM _unreal_: google mount desert island
02:31 PM _unreal_: and look at images
02:31 PM _unreal_: I'd DROP florida IN a heart beat for maine in the summer
02:32 PM miss0r: That is pretty
02:32 PM miss0r: I don't know this from first hand experience, as I've never been: But is it true what they say about the collective IQ of florida?
02:32 PM _unreal_: "granted american holiday" the 4th of july in Bar Harbor maine is in the top 20 list of places to go in the entire USA for the 4th
02:33 PM _unreal_: its low
02:33 PM miss0r: That would annoy me more than anything
02:33 PM _unreal_: and grosly over run with illegals
02:33 PM miss0r: I have an unrealisticly low tolerance for dumb people
02:33 PM _unreal_: so your normal
02:33 PM miss0r: with less tolerance(atleast for these parts)
02:34 PM _unreal_: I... HATE winter more the stupid people :) hence I tollerate it
02:34 PM _unreal_: the=then
02:35 PM miss0r: I can't realy come up with something I hate more than stupid people.. Honnestly
02:35 PM _unreal_: dude I have a loquat trees, 2 mango tree's, perssian cactus apple, different draggon fruit and other stuff growing in the back yard
02:35 PM _unreal_: ensless supply of stuff year round :)
02:35 PM _unreal_: and 4 coconut tree's :)
02:35 PM miss0r: also an endless supply of stupid people :) I'll take the winter, thank you very much ;)
02:36 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, THERE you are
02:36 PM XXCoder: hey
02:36 PM _unreal_: you left me home alone
02:36 PM _unreal_: well not really
02:36 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, ya was a bit of a WTF. this morning
02:36 PM XXCoder: dont worry I sent 2 crooks to keep you company
02:37 PM miss0r: hello XXCoder :)
02:37 PM XXCoder: hey :)
02:37 PM _unreal_: so yesterday I got a group text. from the BOSS.. hope you all have had a great holiday blaa blaa blaa see ya'll tomorrow
02:37 PM _unreal_: so I go to drop my daughter off to her friends parents. and they are like WTF OH!!!! SHIT WHAT DAY IS IT...
02:38 PM _unreal_: then they txt me as I'm all but about to get to the highway. with ahh thought this was tomorrow
02:38 PM _unreal_: I'm like WTF....
02:38 PM _unreal_: 2 hours later after the guy I report to got a slew of WTF's in the morning..
02:38 PM _unreal_: we all got a group txt SORRY FOR the miss understanding BLAA BLAA BLAA
02:39 PM XXCoder: lol
02:39 PM _unreal_: i'm like YA F.............. U..............
02:39 PM miss0r: hahaha
02:39 PM XXCoder: so you gonna drop off again tomorrow?
02:39 PM _unreal_: yep
02:39 PM _unreal_: so my daughter gets two "" playdates"" in a row
02:40 PM _unreal_: I guess a bunch of the guys who live close to work all showed up to an dark building
02:41 PM miss0r: Meh. too bad you couldn't clock in
02:41 PM _unreal_: I....... could I have a key to the building
02:42 PM _unreal_: hehe I've been with the company so long I predate ALL of the managment
02:42 PM XXCoder: lol
02:42 PM _unreal_: infact the owner had me interview some of the managers for there posistion
02:42 PM _unreal_: sadly I'm not kidding
02:42 PM _unreal_: I my self have chosen NOT to be a manager mainly because of my full time single parent issue
02:43 PM _unreal_: and some "bs over head" at work
02:44 PM miss0r: It can be hard sometimes..
02:44 PM _unreal_: easier to "manage" anonymous if you will ;) I TOLD you bla blaa blaa and you ignored me... yet again first thing I say is the expensive LAST thing we do...
02:44 PM _unreal_: I've burned up all the managers ove rand over with that line :)
02:46 PM miss0r: hehe
02:46 PM _unreal_: its funny. because when ever the "" managers "" really fuck up I arg.. have to call the owner. and say BLAA BLA BLAA stupid BLAA BLAA.. OH oh really. ok just do it and tell them I said so
02:46 PM _unreal_: endlessly
02:46 PM _unreal_: miss0r, its the Scandinavian in me :)
02:47 PM miss0r: nice :D
02:49 PM _unreal_: well its been fun but I'm going out back to go work on fixing the screened in pool area
02:49 PM _unreal_: need to fix the screening
02:50 PM _unreal_: miss0r, outside..... IN shorts..... AND sandals.... :)
02:50 PM _unreal_: :p
02:50 PM miss0r: bah.. I just keep up this CAD work here then ;) See'ya
02:50 PM _unreal_: ever played with designspark?
02:51 PM _unreal_: beachbumpete1, I have not dont much with animation and fusion sorry.
02:51 PM _unreal_: miss0r, ?
02:51 PM miss0r: nope
02:51 PM miss0r: Never even heard of it
02:51 PM _unreal_: REALLY
02:51 PM miss0r: yeah..?
02:52 PM miss0r: :)
02:52 PM _unreal_: its produced by a eruo company
02:52 PM _unreal_: and FREE
02:52 PM miss0r: OMG... :D
02:52 PM _unreal_: its my go to OVER fusion
02:52 PM _unreal_: and I own fusion
02:52 PM miss0r: meh.. I'm a MastarCAM guy
02:52 PM _unreal_: its a powerful as fusion, totally free and the "" windows paint" of cad work
02:53 PM _unreal_: full 3d
02:53 PM _unreal_: I would suggest playing with it...
02:53 PM miss0r: I'm getting lazy here..
02:53 PM syyl: a lazy mind...
02:53 PM miss0r: You know? I know MasterCAM inside and out and it has more than plenty what I need
02:54 PM syyl: ..is the devils workshop
02:54 PM syyl: :D
02:54 PM miss0r: syyl: haha
02:54 PM _unreal_: syyl, sorry but my Xwifes mine is the devils workshop
02:54 PM _unreal_: mind
02:54 PM syyl: haha
02:54 PM _unreal_: you may laugh but I'm not kidding
02:54 PM _unreal_: hehehehe
02:55 PM _unreal_: ok I'
02:55 PM _unreal_: I'll be out back OUTSIDE :)
02:55 PM miss0r: Have fun
02:55 PM miss0r: syyl: Are you up to anything interresting?
02:55 PM _unreal_: on a 16' ladder bridges over the pool on an extension ladder split in half
02:55 PM _unreal_: just so I can reach the screen
02:55 PM _unreal_: ARG...
02:55 PM syyl: yep
02:55 PM syyl: seems like i am making a mess in plastics ;)
02:56 PM XXCoder: designspark seems interesting
02:56 PM _unreal_: fucking racoons get up on the screen. walk around and wear the screen splin to the point it gives way
02:56 PM _unreal_: they fall in
02:56 PM miss0r: syyl: You are one of those guys who thing plastic mess is interresting, aren't you? xD
02:56 PM _unreal_: normally fall into the pool. some times land on the HARD and break something. EASY pellet gun target then.
02:57 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/IMG_5419.jpg
02:57 PM syyl: http://gtwr.de/div/IMG_5421.jpg
02:57 PM miss0r: next thing you know, you'll be working in dead tree carcass
02:57 PM syyl: 25 of these please
02:57 PM _unreal_: last year a coon broke its back on the edge of the pool falling though the screen.
02:57 PM miss0r: wow... thats some serious material removal
02:57 PM _unreal_: found it the next day in the water at the "steps" trying to get out
02:57 PM _unreal_: BANG
02:57 PM syyl: in some serious expensive material ;)
02:57 PM _unreal_: mF'er
02:58 PM miss0r: _unreal_: So, too hot, stupid people & Racoons breaking stuff? You are really selling florida
02:58 PM miss0r: syyl: What is that exactly?
02:58 PM miss0r: material, that is
02:58 PM _unreal_: and disneyworld
02:58 PM syyl: PEEK
02:58 PM miss0r: ouch!
02:58 PM miss0r: yeah.. that is realy expensive
02:58 PM syyl: ah youre a man of culture
02:58 PM syyl: :D
02:58 PM _unreal_: looks like a distributer cap
02:59 PM miss0r: syyl: I don't often realy laugh out loud of peoples comments in here.. but the culture one got me ;)
02:59 PM _unreal_: I have annual passes to disney world and universal studios
02:59 PM _unreal_: I can take my daughter year round when ever I want :)
02:59 PM syyl: lol :D
02:59 PM _unreal_: saddly its a 3 hour drive
02:59 PM _unreal_: but what ever. I typically take her once a month
02:59 PM syyl: they are nitrogen purging nozzles for some semi-conductor process
03:00 PM syyl: *test process
03:00 PM _unreal_: nitrogen uncompressed
03:00 PM _unreal_: ?
03:00 PM syyl: i think so
03:01 PM _unreal_: I was going to say 3D PRINTED? and poly ANYTHING
03:01 PM syyl: they insisted on PEEK
03:01 PM _unreal_: heh I use to work for the world leader in biomedical research. "jackson lab"
03:01 PM _unreal_: ok bbiab
03:02 PM miss0r: syyl: you just need to figure out 3D printing PEEK and you'll be rich
03:03 PM syyl: thats a thing
03:03 PM syyl: you can FDM print peek
03:03 PM miss0r: let me rephrase...
03:03 PM miss0r: You need to find a way to viably 3D print peek
03:03 PM miss0r: I.e. spools into a regular maker bot ish
03:04 PM syyl: get a high.temp hotend and youre good to go :)
03:04 PM syyl: and a tempering oven for post processing
03:05 PM miss0r: I had a shitty drive home in the old land rover a few days ago
03:05 PM miss0r: 250km from home on a sunday evening, I found out I was loosing motor oil...
03:05 PM miss0r: and yes, they always do that.. but this was at an alarming rate
03:06 PM syyl: lol
03:06 PM syyl: i just wanted to make a joke about land rovers and oil
03:06 PM syyl: but
03:06 PM miss0r: https://imgur.com/a/QEM4tkL
03:06 PM syyl: you know why the front fender is flat on top?
03:07 PM miss0r: You see the trail leading backwards from the puddle? that continued out into the dark to a point I could not see it anymore form the gas station light
03:07 PM miss0r: hmm.. to make it easier to work the engine? let me know
03:07 PM syyl: so the toolbox has a place to sit when you fix it (again)
03:07 PM syyl: sorry ;)
03:07 PM syyl: oh, thats a reasonable serious leak
03:07 PM miss0r: Not a good place to stand it :) I use the flat part next to the hood
03:08 PM miss0r: Three things went wrong. One: The oil filter had a leak. Two the rear crank seal has failed. Three the gasget holding the oil filter console to the engine has failed
03:09 PM miss0r: one and three I could fix there on the spot.. but replacing the read main seal(assuming I even brought one, which I didn't) requires removing the gear box..
03:09 PM miss0r: I didn't feel like doing that on a gas station a sunday night...
03:10 PM miss0r: so having secured most of the leak I drove home. Stopping at every possible location to top off the oil.. That trip home cost me 12liters of gas station oil... *sigh*
03:10 PM miss0r: You know why everyone who drives a land rover loves it so?
03:10 PM syyl: masochism?
03:10 PM miss0r: Because it takes what would have otherwise been a normal road trip and turns it into an adventure
03:11 PM syyl: lol :D
03:11 PM miss0r: hehe yeah.. that boils down to masochism
03:11 PM miss0r: at the moment I am designing a new transfer gearbox oilpan in masterCAM, because the original one is realy leaky by design
03:12 PM syyl: still cool cars though
03:12 PM miss0r: its a 350mmx155mm metal sheet, with a few shapes pressed into it. and it has only 10 bolts to keep it oil tight...
03:12 PM miss0r: its a 1.5mm sheet
03:12 PM syyl: more sealant! :D
03:12 PM syyl: haha
03:13 PM miss0r: Theres just natural limits to silicone based sealants you know :D
03:13 PM miss0r: Especially on a land rover.
03:13 PM jym: no there's not
03:13 PM jym: out of gas? Add silicone
03:14 PM jym: radiator leak, add silicone
03:14 PM miss0r: syyl: Do you German flok have a name for "slyngsmrring"? (its like when you have a paddle wheel that is ramdomly throwing oil all over the place inside a gearbox)
03:14 PM syyl: schleuderring
03:14 PM jym: flat tire? add silicone
03:14 PM syyl: i think
03:14 PM miss0r: jym: Radiator leak: egg
03:14 PM syyl: i am not a car/gear/drivetrain guy
03:14 PM miss0r: syyl: Well, the land rover has a rust prevention method called "outside schleuderring"
03:15 PM syyl: it leaks oil all over itself? :D
03:15 PM miss0r: its when oil drips down onto the cardan shafts and throws it all over the place, yeah
03:15 PM syyl: do they have an aluminium body?
03:15 PM miss0r: yeah, but the chassis is steel
03:15 PM syyl: uhm, sure
03:15 PM syyl: makes sense :D
03:16 PM miss0r: yeah.. electro galvanic corrotion was not realy discovered in the mainstream until land rover released a huge study for people to buy
03:16 PM syyl: oh
03:16 PM syyl: ouch
03:16 PM syyl: yes, i see
03:17 PM miss0r: I rebuild thisone myself, as you know, and I have installed quite a few solutions to try'n midigate it as much I can
03:18 PM syyl: at first glance its brillant
03:18 PM miss0r: like plastic inbetween the steel and alu.. and ofcourse; I am not drawing the battery negative through the body/chassis anywhere as it was originally. I have a wire going all the way for that
03:18 PM syyl: aluminium, never a problem
03:18 PM miss0r: oh, also :D haha
03:18 PM miss0r: the alu they used it a special propreitary blend of herbs and spices called "burma bright"
03:18 PM syyl: lol, what? :D
03:18 PM miss0r: it is a little bit stiffer than yer' regular garden vareity alu construction sheet.. but it is quite unweldable
03:19 PM syyl: mhpf
03:19 PM syyl: great :D
03:19 PM miss0r: yeah :)
03:19 PM syyl: to quote richard hammond
03:19 PM miss0r: that part has pissed me off more than once
03:19 PM syyl: could be worse
03:19 PM miss0r: 'could be a land rover
03:20 PM syyl: :D
03:20 PM miss0r: I had a pretty cool job today
03:21 PM syyl: yes?
03:21 PM miss0r: I was called in to fix the deublin union (the high pressure coubling in the back of spindles with through tool coolant) on a machine
03:21 PM miss0r: and I was checking the filter. it was clogged BIG TIME
03:21 PM miss0r: still didn't fix it.
03:21 PM syyl: is there something to fix on those rotary unions? or are those a replace deal?
03:21 PM miss0r: and this is one of those machines where you'd need a 3rd joint on your under arm to realy get at it
03:22 PM syyl: of course
03:22 PM syyl: because those well accessible never break down
03:22 PM miss0r: well... its a 50/50 situation. If the ceramic disks that does the sealing are chipped its done.. But I mean; A spring can be cleaned... assuming its even a unit that can be taken apart
03:22 PM XXCoder: lol I remember working on my mecury sable. sure wished I had third joint on my arm then
03:23 PM miss0r: but... as it turned out, they had not tried it without tools in the spindle
03:23 PM miss0r: I asked them to do that, and the pressure was perfect comming out of the taper
03:23 PM miss0r: so ahem.. all their tools were clogged due to poor maintenance of the coolant tank & filters
03:23 PM syyl: haha
03:23 PM syyl: well
03:23 PM syyl: thats
03:23 PM syyl: haha
03:23 PM syyl: :D
03:24 PM Tom_L: new filter would have fixed that
03:24 PM miss0r: Tom_L: Yeah, had they done it in due time
03:24 PM miss0r: but those coolant filters on said machine are the hydraulic vareity as they run 80bar of pressure
03:24 PM Tom_L: yeah
03:24 PM syyl: now they sit there with piano wire, poking the cooleant passages in the tools clear? :D
03:24 PM miss0r: which means they have a bypass valve
03:24 PM miss0r: in this case that was wide open
03:25 PM miss0r: syyl: Knowing them, I think they will just replace the tools
03:25 PM miss0r: which means, the next time I get there I will rob their discard pile :D
03:25 PM miss0r: alot of realy nice carbide drills there
03:27 PM syyl: perfect :D
03:27 PM miss0r: it was a matsura, by the way.. a 405
03:27 PM syyl: nice machines
03:28 PM miss0r: I had just replaced the spindle in that particular one a few months ago
03:28 PM miss0r: a horrible task. You need to remove the spindle motor to get at a bracket to midigate the pressure excerted on the spindle bearings when it unclamps...
03:28 PM Tom_L: one of the operators at my kids work the other day sent the tool changer into the machine when he shouldn't have
03:28 PM miss0r: that needs to be taken out in order to take the spindle out
03:28 PM Tom_L: it cracked the frame
03:29 PM miss0r: how it that even possible?
03:29 PM Tom_L: don't ask me
03:29 PM Tom_L: iirc it was on a dmg mori
03:30 PM Tom_L: may have been a makino
03:30 PM syyl: we never had a toolchanger crash on a dmg
03:30 PM syyl: and i never lie
03:30 PM miss0r: xD
03:30 PM Tom_L: i don't know the control but aparently he pushed a wrong button
03:30 PM miss0r: I mean, one thing is for the thing to have a hickup and do something with the tool changer it is not supposed to even be able to.. another thing is to have enough force put into it to actualy break the frame
03:30 PM Tom_L: afik he's unemployed now
03:31 PM miss0r: dmg mori.. maybe ;D makino no way :D
03:31 PM Tom_L: split it right down the middle
03:31 PM syyl: thats uncommon here, to get fired for a crash
03:31 PM Tom_L: may have not been the first time, i dunno
03:32 PM miss0r: same here.. you'd actualy have to do it diliberately(spell) to get fired for it
03:32 PM Tom_L: i know they've crashed spindles with little reprocussion
03:32 PM syyl: yeah miss0r, same here
03:32 PM syyl: but usualy its just a "yes, its shit, but it happens" thing
03:32 PM miss0r: yeah
03:33 PM miss0r: syyl: I mean, you've crashed like 17 spindles.. and this was just last year.. and you're still employed :D
03:33 PM syyl: haha :D
03:33 PM syyl: yes
03:33 PM syyl: no idea why i still work there
03:33 PM miss0r: if that is the case.. I want to get a contract with your employer.. and I will buy you dinner
03:33 PM syyl: haha
03:33 PM syyl: we had the spindle in the datron i run die about middle of 2019
03:34 PM syyl: 3kW 40k rpm spindle
03:34 PM syyl: <3
03:34 PM miss0r: yeah... those spindles have a limited lifespan
03:34 PM syyl: yes, and with 7000hours it was pretty good
03:34 PM miss0r: Indeed
03:34 PM syyl: it got very loud
03:34 PM miss0r: Those are with oil fog lubrication, right?
03:34 PM syyl: and then very quiet
03:35 PM syyl: nope - runs in ceramic bearings, lifetime lubricated
03:35 PM syyl: (lifetime means, until it dies, haha=
03:35 PM miss0r: hah... on a 40k ? ;S
03:35 PM miss0r: that is pretty awesome
03:35 PM syyl: yep, very nice GMN spindle
03:36 PM miss0r: usualy on high speed spindles with *some* life expectancy they use an oil fog
03:36 PM syyl: yep, in our 5axis dmg its a oil fog spindle
03:36 PM syyl: 42k fischer spindle
03:36 PM miss0r: Brilliant system
03:37 PM syyl: not sure about the large 27k with hsk63
03:37 PM miss0r: Design complete: https://imgur.com/a/F9cC3ek
03:38 PM syyl: your oilpan?
03:38 PM miss0r: probably oil fog as well.. usualy when you cross the treshhold of 18k its a good idea with oil fog
03:38 PM miss0r: yeah
03:38 PM syyl: that spindle is a diva.
03:38 PM syyl: when you run it at full 27k it dies very quickly
03:39 PM syyl: repeatably within 500hours
03:39 PM miss0r: Some of those spindles are not rated at a very high duty cycle
03:39 PM syyl: since we run it 95% max
03:39 PM syyl: no problems whatsoever
03:39 PM miss0r: i.e. that 27k is for short bursts of 15-20 minuts and then a cooldown afterwards(running slower).
03:40 PM syyl: yeah, we where finish-milling mold cavities at 27 ;)
03:40 PM miss0r: because usualy they factory build spindles uses bearings that are rated at the same max speed as they write on the spindle.
03:40 PM syyl: thats more like 15...20hours
03:40 PM miss0r: yeah... very few high end spindles are build for that
03:40 PM syyl: :D
03:41 PM syyl: we have that 95% policy on all machines now
03:41 PM syyl: and it seems to help very much
03:41 PM miss0r: When I rebuild spindles, I always add 20% (if possible) bearing tolerance to the max spindle speed
03:41 PM miss0r: Indeed
03:41 PM miss0r: that way I can actualy make good on the one year warranty I provide
03:41 PM XXCoder: heh a61 is machines at work that basicallu never stop running
03:42 PM miss0r: I have to call it a night
03:42 PM miss0r: See you around
03:42 PM syyl: goodn8
03:42 PM XXCoder: 2 shifts of 10 hours each, and to cover 4 hour gap we have lots jobs for machine to run and leave it running overnight
03:42 PM XXCoder: in least thats normally done. last time we didnt because air main center was shut down because 2 days of not being used.
03:45 PM Deejay: gn8
04:04 PM Connor: Anyone have a good source for a power transformer? One I have is making huge amounts of noise.. 220/380/440 Input, 110/24 output 100VA
04:13 PM _unreal_: ok I'm back after a "@@#$@#$" load of fun splining
04:14 PM gloops: getting some interesting house names
04:15 PM gloops: https://imgur.com/Ufxj9fb
04:19 PM _unreal_: well I'm back in now
04:19 PM _unreal_: let me get an updated photo uploaded
04:20 PM _unreal_: :) hick... this boy has had some tequila
04:20 PM _unreal_: and been on a ladder over the pool
04:20 PM _unreal_: I should take a PHOTO :)
04:20 PM _unreal_: of the green pool
04:23 PM _unreal_: SHHHHHHH
04:24 PM _unreal_: lead screw parts installed https://drive.google.com/open?id=1g9lr1CepUdEPi5NcA2wNqxJbsjyfZgnh
04:25 PM _unreal_: one of the pulleys in the picture 48 tooth
04:25 PM _unreal_: and the motor to drive the Y
04:25 PM _unreal_: going to be pushing 1/2-13
04:26 PM _unreal_: ?
04:27 PM _unreal_: gloops, pant y glow?
04:27 PM _unreal_: any one?
04:27 PM gloops: its a place in Wales..i looked it up before i made it heh
04:27 PM _unreal_: wales.. I'm SHOCKED...
04:27 PM gloops: i read panty glow
04:28 PM _unreal_: the english are KNOWN for the irony of words
04:29 PM _unreal_: intent intended
04:29 PM gloops: had some strange ones i must say
04:30 PM _unreal_: got ONE of the #$%@#$%^45 screens fixed https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gGbB3aqJVbz2TmnpStcdEqGz__NiVgbP
04:30 PM _unreal_: ya endless summer sucks :)
04:31 PM _unreal_: sorry i miss spoke let me correct my self
04:31 PM gloops: mosquitos?
04:31 PM _unreal_: >:)
04:31 PM _unreal_: gloops, really! its always summer here
04:32 PM gloops: we get them here, but usually in hotspots, some lakes and rivers, ditches etc
04:32 PM gloops: you get the odd ones round the garden
04:32 PM gloops: and only in hot spells
04:32 PM _unreal_: where do you live again?
04:32 PM gloops: UK - Yorkshire
04:34 PM veegee: jymmmm thanks for the recommendation. Those bits do look nice. I'm going to get one or two of the CMT bits, but also this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01FGFFDAU/
04:34 PM veegee: That'll be my starter kit since it has 2 flute bits as well and I'm going to practice on wood first
04:35 PM _unreal_: veegee, GOOO$$$LORD
04:35 PM veegee: Also they're steel so less likely to snap like solid carbide if I do something dumb which I very likely will like climb milling without adjusting backlash
04:36 PM _unreal_: if its $$ with in your means all the power to you..
04:36 PM veegee: _unreal_ it's a whole kit with two and four flute bits. A search on MSCDirect shows similar prices
04:36 PM _unreal_: what do you have for a machine?
04:36 PM veegee: First LC-1-1/2 VS made in 2008, bought from a machinist in excellent condition
04:37 PM veegee: Just waiting for the Vactra #2 way oil and spindle oil to be delivered before I do anything
04:37 PM _unreal_: does that HAVE pitch to the power head?
04:37 PM veegee: Already hooked up my monster of a power supply for its 575 volt motor
04:38 PM veegee: say again?
04:38 PM _unreal_: looks like you can change the pitch the attitude of the HEAD?
04:38 PM veegee: you can do everything
04:38 PM veegee: it's a Bridgeport clone
04:38 PM veegee: Like one of the respectable ones from Taiwan with Meehanite castings
04:39 PM _unreal_: https://media.exapro.com/product/2018/07/P80711113/15e597d0c1aac6f55761d442520ebc75/462x340/first-lc-1-12-vs-p80711113_12.jpg
04:39 PM veegee: Did a lot of research and checked out a lot of machines before I settled on this one. All the scrape marks are still visible. One shot oiler, power feed, power draw bar, etc.
04:39 PM _unreal_: thats likely also the weakest point
04:39 PM gloops: those cheapo chinese cutters work fine on ally
04:39 PM gloops: and brilliant on wood - $1 each you cant go wrong
04:40 PM veegee: gloops from aliexpress?
04:40 PM gloops: i get mine on ebay
04:40 PM veegee: Still, can't wait a month for shipping
04:40 PM gloops: its all the same high quality carbide heh
04:40 PM _unreal_: my current progress https://drive.google.com/open?id=1g9lr1CepUdEPi5NcA2wNqxJbsjyfZgnh
04:40 PM veegee: I'm too excited
04:40 PM veegee: Yeah for carbide, the chinese haven't figured out a way to make it cheaper
04:41 PM veegee: _unreal_ I have a 6040 CNC as well haha
04:41 PM _unreal_: my working area is around 18x30x10"
04:41 PM veegee: But I'll try out this endmill kit and if I don't like it for any reason, Amazon is easy with returns
04:41 PM _unreal_: I dont think you'll have an issue with the bits
04:42 PM _unreal_: just a big chuck of $
04:42 PM veegee: Also waiting for air compressor delivery so I can use the power drawbar
04:44 PM _unreal_: veegee, if your going to go all out. you may as well get a vacuum pump as well
04:44 PM _unreal_: :)
04:44 PM _unreal_: funny thing is I'm not kidding
04:45 PM veegee: vacuum pump for what? The worktable?
04:45 PM _unreal_: vacuum hold down table
04:45 PM veegee: I have a vise
04:45 PM veegee: And it's a vertical mill, there's plenty of Z axis travel
04:45 PM _unreal_: veegee, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LFl4v5AcZk8ed-yGZLsisnEbMLLkKv7Q
04:46 PM veegee: the dude threw in a huge heavy vise
04:46 PM veegee: Makes sense for the 6040 CNC machine though
04:46 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QbNDFX0OICUy7FteExP7jd0FW6Z8xEst
04:46 PM _unreal_: you dont even know what I'm talking about then
04:46 PM _unreal_: lol
04:46 PM _unreal_: vice
04:47 PM veegee: I know what a vacuum hold down table is
04:47 PM veegee: It's not really necessary for a vertical mill
04:48 PM _unreal_: depends on what your working on
04:48 PM veegee: your mom
04:48 PM veegee: just kidding
04:48 PM _unreal_: take more then a vice
04:48 PM _unreal_: my mothers a big BIG... girl
04:48 PM veegee: Need a huge hold down table then
04:49 PM * _unreal_ hears a flapping/sucking sound
04:49 PM _unreal_: a vacuum table comes in very handy
04:49 PM veegee: Your youtube video isn't loading for some reason
04:49 PM veegee: pictures loaded fine though
04:50 PM veegee: And yes I have a synchronous gigabit fibre line, it's not my internet
04:50 PM _unreal_: dont know try it a few times. its not youtube its google
04:51 PM _unreal_: the video is 13 seconds
04:51 PM veegee: Going to weld the end cap on my grease guns to make an "oil gun" for the grease fittings on the mill
04:52 PM veegee: first time welding something, need to practice on some scrap metal first
04:52 PM _unreal_: make sure its saturated with oil forst
04:52 PM _unreal_: first
04:52 PM veegee: you're kidding right?
04:52 PM _unreal_: dont want it getting stuck
04:53 PM _unreal_: I work on multi million dollar luxury yachts for a living. what do you think
04:53 PM veegee: wait what did you mean by make sure it's saturated
04:53 PM veegee: I might have misread
04:54 PM Wolf__: don’t take welding advice from a boat mechanic =P
04:56 PM veegee: I'm just welding the plunger end on so the oil doesn't leak
04:56 PM veegee: I'm pretty sure the metal surface should be clean for this operation'
04:57 PM Wolf__: yes, clean and bright metal = good to weld
05:03 PM gloops: bang the rust off with a hammer
05:04 PM Wolf__: or just use 6010 stick welding
05:09 PM veegee: Wolf__ what welding sticks should I get for general purpose?
05:09 PM veegee: Will be going to the store in an hour
05:10 PM veegee: I already have a stick welder in the garage still in its box
05:10 PM Wolf__: no idea, I almost never stick weld lol
05:10 PM veegee: Just need some welding sticks and a face shield, etc.
05:12 PM Wolf__: don’t have a gas welding setup do you? for the cap you could probably just braze it, Ive never had luck stick welding thin stuff
05:13 PM JT-Shop: yea my J&J Automation business is officially shut down! no more dual slowbooks to keep up with
05:23 PM Tom_L: yay... i think
05:24 PM jthornton: J&J was a partnership and my partner died a few years ago and the only work I got was some parts to make for Briggs, well they are real slow so they are going to start making the parts so no reason to keep two companies open
05:27 PM Tom_L: yeah i remember that
05:28 PM jthornton: I do all my industrial work under CnC Machines LLC
05:28 PM Tom_L: is that the pll one?
05:28 PM Tom_L: err pal
05:28 PM jthornton: pal?
05:28 PM Tom_L: whatever they're called :D
05:29 PM Tom_L: programming logic chips
05:29 PM jthornton: PLC
05:29 PM Tom_L: there ya go!
05:29 PM jthornton: it's that and my online stores
05:29 PM Tom_L: :)
05:29 PM jthornton: Programmable Logic Controller
05:29 PM jthornton: you got one right :)
05:29 PM Tom_L: heh
05:30 PM Tom_L: pal are programmable array logic
05:30 PM Tom_L: similar
05:30 PM jthornton: is that similar to fpga's?
05:31 PM Tom_L: i'd say older and not as popular now
05:31 PM Tom_L: i never programmed any
05:32 PM Tom_L: not nearly as big
05:32 PM Tom_L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_Array_Logic
06:06 PM _unreal_: I'm not a machanic I'm a boat TECH.... I do everything.
06:06 PM _unreal_: veegee, ya I mainly mig weld if I'm going to do anything
06:07 PM _unreal_: ve7it, sup
06:07 PM _unreal_: veegee, all of the leadscreen mounts are done https://drive.google.com/open?id=1g9lr1CepUdEPi5NcA2wNqxJbsjyfZgnh
06:08 PM _unreal_: ARG auto name fill heh ve7it veegee
06:21 PM veegee: _unreal_ Nice. I too am a fan of Reese peanut butter cups
06:21 PM veegee: But hate those shitty plastic foldable tables
06:21 PM veegee: hate anything that wobbles
07:03 PM veegee: I don't get it... The mill manual specifies Vactra #2 way oil for the ways, but then specifies Esso Febis K53 for the head, which is supposedly equivalent to Vactra #2
07:04 PM veegee: It lists Febis K53 for the slide ways as an alternative as well
07:04 PM veegee: Does that mean I can use Vactra #2 for the head?
07:11 PM tiwake: guys
07:11 PM tiwake: https://houston.craigslist.org/hvo/d/tomball-cnc-machines/7047486366.html
07:11 PM tiwake: thats kind of an insanely good deal
07:35 PM jdh: buy it!
07:44 PM veegee: tiwake thanks for the heads up, race you to it
07:44 PM tiwake: veegee: I have no place to put the stuff
07:44 PM tiwake: I want all of it though :(
07:45 PM tiwake: its a 9 hour drive from where I am
07:55 PM tiwake: veegee: if you get that stuff, let me know
07:56 PM veegee: I'm just messing with you, I live in Toronto
07:56 PM veegee: But if I had the space for it, I would get the VMC
07:56 PM veegee: Right now my biggest concern is what the hell kind of oil to use for the spindle on my mill because the user manual is written in chinglish
07:57 PM veegee: It recommends Febis K53 for the head wtf
07:57 PM veegee: I emailed them, hopefully they'll get back to me on that. ISO VG 68 for the headstock doesn't sound right
08:28 PM _unreal_: veegee, I dont need to use any oil :)
08:39 PM _unreal_: ve7it, you live?
08:42 PM _unreal_: Its very quiet in here
08:47 PM flyback: veegee, bmcc
09:22 PM tiwake: needs more pony
09:24 PM tiwake: https://derpibooru.org/images/1801543
09:44 PM _unreal_: That was interesting. my computer froze
10:03 PM jymmmm: veegee: I've used and like the CMT bits for wood, no idea on endmills
10:06 PM beachbumpete1: well I figured out what I did to my printer to screw it up...
10:07 PM beachbumpete1: apparently I did not install the new nozzle properly
10:07 PM beachbumpete1: It sure felt like it was in there correctly
10:08 PM beachbumpete1: but I started a print tonight and found that plastic was oozing out on the top of the threaded area of the nozzle
10:08 PM beachbumpete1: I took everything apart and found that there was also plastic pooling on top of the heat block
10:09 PM beachbumpete1: so I cleaned up a nasty mess and torched out the original nozzle
10:09 PM beachbumpete1: got everything clean and reinstalled it
10:09 PM beachbumpete1: now it is printing beautiful again.
10:09 PM beachbumpete1: Live and learn I guess...
10:35 PM elmo40: beachbumpete1, did you find an alternative to draftsight?
10:36 PM beachbumpete1: elmo40: no not really.... still trying to decide if I want to ante up for draftsight pro
10:36 PM beachbumpete1: if I am honest with myself at least with all of the many many drawings I have done with it at work
10:36 PM beachbumpete1: it is hard to deny its value, it really does work very well
10:37 PM beachbumpete1: its is basically 95 percent of autocad for a very small fraction of the price
10:37 PM beachbumpete1: most of what I do here at my home shop is done in fusion360
10:37 PM beachbumpete1: and I can certainly create some rather impressive drawings with that
10:38 PM elmo40: i listed one but i have no idea on its capabilities or how it can output (proprietary or not)
10:38 PM elmo40: https://www.cad6.com/e/cad6starter.htm
10:38 PM beachbumpete1: it is more the architectural style drafting drawings with title blocks and all of that stuff that is the value of draftsight
10:39 PM beachbumpete1: lately we have been creating a lot of models for entryway doors and articulating shutters inside fusion360 that get CNC machines on our flatbed router at work
10:39 PM beachbumpete1: having to use the built in drawing functions of Fusion360 forced me to investigate what it can do
10:40 PM beachbumpete1: it is quite good actually and once you start playing with it you realize what it can do. much of it is not apparent on its face.
10:40 PM beachbumpete1: However there are quite a few disadvantages
10:40 PM beachbumpete1: for instance
10:40 PM beachbumpete1: if you are creating a title block custom title block
10:41 PM beachbumpete1: most of the time you will be creating several drawing pages of the same part/project
10:41 PM beachbumpete1: right now all of the items in the title block CANNOT be copied and pasted easily
10:41 PM beachbumpete1: you have to click on the item and then copy and past the actual text in the cell
10:42 PM beachbumpete1: you CAN create a new template of the completed and filled out title block and use that in each drawing
10:42 PM beachbumpete1: but then you cannot edit those cells apparently
10:43 PM beachbumpete1: you would think you could just click on all the entities in the title block
10:43 PM beachbumpete1: and then copy and paste them into the additional pages title block
10:43 PM beachbumpete1: for some reason that is currently impossible
11:03 PM _unreal_: that was freaky
11:03 PM _unreal_: clearing a few things off my bed and I had a tiny frog jump off my bed
11:03 PM _unreal_: I was like WTF?
11:04 PM _unreal_: followed by HULK SMASH
11:04 PM _unreal_: I assure you that frog saw it coming too
11:17 PM _unreal_: nifty
11:17 PM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eykdYvws4k
11:18 PM _unreal_: well I'm going to bed, I have to WORK in the morning :p
11:33 PM ziper: why did you smash the frog