#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 31 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:09 AM _unreal_: threaded rod
12:14 AM elmo40: where? on the outside?
12:14 AM _unreal_: Y will be twin lead, X and Z will be single
12:14 AM _unreal_: all using 1/2-13
12:14 AM _unreal_: i'm using brushed servos and geared down considerably
12:14 AM _unreal_: I dont know what my max feed rates will be yet I have not done the math. but this machine is going to be powerful'
12:14 AM elmo40: oh. actual threaded rod... why not ACME?
12:14 AM _unreal_: $
12:14 AM _unreal_: for starters
12:14 AM _unreal_: money time etc...
12:14 AM _unreal_: I also dont have a lathe
12:14 AM _unreal_: so i can't adjust a lead screw to the correct size etc..
12:14 AM _unreal_: and I've never had an issue
12:24 AM _unreal_: so tomorrow I'm going to see if I can get my threaded rod
12:26 AM _unreal_: going to be a trick getting straight rods
12:26 AM _unreal_: I also have to figure out how to do some turnings :/
12:26 AM _unreal_: so I can mount the @ER%@#$%#@4 pully
12:35 AM Wolf__: I don’t think threaded rod comes straight
12:50 AM _unreal_: this guy talking LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeBqSI8oevA
02:18 AM Deejay: moin
04:51 AM jthornton: morning
04:59 AM Tom_L: morning
05:11 AM XXCoder: heys
05:11 AM XXCoder: they finally fixed a61 yay
05:11 AM XXCoder: but sucks that I woke up "zombie" and was feeling really bad back pain and feeling sick all dau
05:43 AM jthornton: yea that suck to feel bad
05:43 AM jthornton: hmm we didn't get the 30°F they forecast last night it's only 39°F
05:44 AM XXCoder: yeah tho if a61 wasnt fixed it would suck really bad. alterative would be hard metal one
05:44 AM XXCoder: I hate hard metal jobs
05:44 AM XXCoder: blocks have been baked and hardened, then mill it to part
05:48 AM jthornton: is it difficult to keep tolerance?
05:50 AM XXCoder: not really doosan is plenty rigid to handle that
05:50 AM XXCoder: it just eats $40 inserts like its illegal tomorrow
07:00 AM elmo40: _unreal_, don't worry too much about straight rods. you have linear rails. it'll keep everything straight ;-)
07:56 AM _unreal_: XXCoder, dont you love tooling hardened materials :)
07:56 AM XXCoder: lots of fun
07:57 AM elmo40: using ceramics?
07:57 AM XXCoder: errm not too sure lol
07:57 AM XXCoder: sumino
07:57 AM XXCoder: whatever thats spelled
07:58 AM _unreal_: well I guess I'm going to lock tight some screws.. till I get to the hardware store again NOT much I can do sigh
07:59 AM XXCoder: my whole laser engraver thing is stalled
07:59 AM XXCoder: I have 2 days vacation next days and nothing to do :(
07:59 AM XXCoder: laser toy was supposed to fill it
08:05 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: Your new board is coming from china?
08:05 AM XXCoder: yeah sadly
08:05 AM XXCoder: no local one
08:06 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: Did you have to return the old board?
08:06 AM XXCoder: nope
08:06 AM XXCoder: dunno what to do with it. robot arm maybe lol with lasercut cardboard
08:06 AM jymmmm: XXCoder: Well, you still can use the laser in the meantime
08:06 AM XXCoder: nah laser cant turn off
08:07 AM XXCoder: what can it do?
08:07 AM jymmmm: NEVER turn off?
08:07 AM XXCoder: cant even setup since its burning away it would burn rug or something
08:07 AM XXCoder: yep
08:07 AM XXCoder: problem is they hacked grbl to use motor port and depopulated laser pwm port
08:07 AM XXCoder: so laser dont have enable. they somehow made it work anyway. but I upgraded grbl and that hack is gone
08:08 AM XXCoder: this board dont relaly work with standard grbl
08:08 AM jymmmm: gotcha, maybe use a relay in the meantime?
08:09 AM XXCoder: dunno how to lolo
08:09 AM jymmmm: oh, ok.
08:10 AM jymmmm: Well, toss a sharpie in there and make it a glorified etch-a-sketch ;)
08:12 AM XXCoder: lol indeed
08:12 AM XXCoder: or cnc etch a sketch
08:12 AM XXCoder: like that one
08:14 AM _unreal_: always a good time
08:14 AM _unreal_: sigh
08:14 AM _unreal_: do I want to fight the fight to change the blade on my band saw
08:15 AM _unreal_: I was given an industrial band saw... broken naturally I had to take everything apart. clean everything repair a number of things. re align everything and oil everything
08:15 AM XXCoder: fancy
08:15 AM XXCoder: can cut metal stuff
08:15 AM _unreal_: but the blade shroud on the Up stroke is plastic and half broken
08:16 AM XXCoder: 3d print it?
08:16 AM _unreal_: and I've been to lazy to try to find a replacement
08:16 AM _unreal_: I dont have a 3d printer
08:16 AM XXCoder: aha I have an idea
08:16 AM XXCoder: mill plastic ;)
08:16 AM XXCoder: or fancy wood handlke
08:16 AM _unreal_: the part is like deep chanel
08:16 AM _unreal_: one sec let me see if I can find a modle number
08:18 AM _unreal_: 14" wa-14
08:20 AM _unreal_: I think its a COMMON band saw re-branded endlessly
08:20 AM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-wYpmPQzCA the green one is the same one
08:21 AM XXCoder: looks utterly standard
08:23 AM _unreal_: https://www.purplewave.com/auction/140806/item/AD9753
08:24 AM _unreal_: that is THEEE same one. same push button and everyting
08:24 AM _unreal_: My plastic shroud is broken upper half
08:25 AM XXCoder: ahh ok
08:25 AM XXCoder: thought you meant handle
08:25 AM XXCoder: which is quite easy'
08:25 AM XXCoder: whole panel dunno maybe some spares stuff site?
08:28 AM XXCoder: wonder if you could just add plastic sheet and epoxy it
08:28 AM XXCoder: then epoxy other side of cracks just to make it one peice again if its all cracked
08:28 AM XXCoder: depends if epoxy is cheaper than replacement
08:31 AM _unreal_: i'm just trying to find it
08:31 AM _unreal_: its thick plastic
08:32 AM _unreal_: https://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f12/grizzly-14-bandsaw-g1019-206026/
08:33 AM _unreal_: found the manual https://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/g1019_m.pdf
08:35 AM _unreal_: I think I found it $8
08:35 AM XXCoder: cheap enough
08:38 AM _unreal_: oohh there is an up grade a dust chute... arg... cant find it in the photos though
08:38 AM gregcnc: My delta is so old that guard is wood
08:40 AM _unreal_: damn the circle cutter part is discontinued
08:40 AM XXCoder: look around see if theres adoptor for newer
08:40 AM _unreal_: and the miter guage
08:40 AM _unreal_: I'm just ordering from the grizzly webpage
08:42 AM _unreal_: brb checking the machine see if there are ANY other items I may want to add to it just for safety
08:43 AM _unreal_: glad I looked
08:43 AM _unreal_: I'm missing the upper two cover nobs
08:58 AM _unreal_: XXCoder, there I now have parts ordered
08:58 AM _unreal_: will be nice to upgrade everything
08:58 AM _unreal_: still doesnt help me not wanting to fight the bandsaw to change the @#$#$ blade to the nice metal blade I just purchased
09:03 AM gregcnc: blade change is easy
09:40 AM Loetmichel: _unreal_: THAT is a CHEAP "CNC"... if you can call it that ;)
09:40 AM Loetmichel: (the video you linked)
09:40 AM Loetmichel: ant btw_ straighening rods is easily done by hand if you got the knack of it
09:41 AM Loetmichel: you only need a flat surface, a sharp but not hard corner( soft wood desk edge for example), a good eye and some muscle :-)
10:54 AM _unreal_: gregcnc, NO its not
10:54 AM _unreal_: not on my band saw currently
10:54 AM _unreal_: the plastic guard is fractured in a number of areas and held together with tape as best I can
10:54 AM _unreal_: I just ordered replacements
10:55 AM _unreal_: I litteraly have been looking for replacements for some time and JUST find them this morning
11:11 AM _unreal_: sigh
11:12 AM _unreal_: XXCoder, cant complain $24 for a bunch of parts to that bandsaw and $10 shipping
11:13 AM _unreal_: 2 knobs, the frame arm cover, a new table insert, dust chute NO idea where that goes, new blade guard,
11:15 AM _unreal_: any lathe guys in here?
11:15 AM _unreal_: that are in the usa
11:22 AM skunkworks: Loetmichel: I read that as 'and some music..'
11:22 AM skunkworks: which probably helps too
11:30 AM _unreal_: OK
11:30 AM _unreal_: Y is officaly finished
11:30 AM _unreal_: just got the last support bolts on
11:31 AM _unreal_: and BOY that frame is rigid as I hopped it would be
11:31 AM _unreal_: its far more rigid then my current machine and I've had no really issues with my current machine
11:55 AM roycroft: hi, folks
11:56 AM roycroft: i need to repair a thread in a cast iron table saw top, and did not have the correct size heli-coil, so i went to get a kit in that size
11:56 AM roycroft: i got the usual "time-sert are much better" spiel
11:56 AM roycroft: bought the heli-coil
11:57 AM roycroft: and then got curious (the heli-coil kit was $33, the time-sert was $95)
11:57 AM roycroft: i found this video
11:57 AM roycroft: :
11:57 AM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpDduCVUy6w
11:57 AM roycroft: it's a decent test of the various thread inserts
11:58 AM gloops: just buy the inserts loose https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150pcs-Helicoil-304-Stainless-Steel-Thread-Repair-Insert-Kit-M3-M4-M5-M6-M8/113862460422?
11:58 AM roycroft: and to save folks a half hour, heli-coil outperformed time-sert in that test
11:59 AM roycroft: i do, when i already have the installation tool and tap
11:59 AM roycroft: but i've never used this size before
11:59 AM roycroft: so i needed the whole kit
11:59 AM gloops: ahh
11:59 AM roycroft: that was the other odd thing
12:00 PM roycroft: when i went through my drawer of heli-coils yesterday, i found that i had 10 metric sizes and just one sae size
12:00 PM roycroft: i probably use about 50% sae and 50% metric fasteners in the various things i do
12:00 PM roycroft: so it's odd that i have a 10:1 ratio of repair kits vs. 1:1 for fasteners used
12:01 PM gloops: all been metric for a long time here, apart from when working on old stuff
12:01 PM roycroft: i'm just guessing on the fastener ratio, but it's maybe 2:1 or 1:2 at most
12:01 PM roycroft: nowhere near 10:1, certainly
12:02 PM roycroft: for things i make myself, i'd use metric fasteners all the time, except metric fasteners are usualy much more expensive than sae, and much harder to find
12:02 PM roycroft: metric tooling is always way more expensive than sae here
12:03 PM roycroft: plus, all the legacy (meaning made before today) stuff from the usa
12:08 PM roycroft: this is more about performance than price, anyway, although for my current application i do not need high performance
12:08 PM roycroft: the "big certs" are the only type that tested better than heli-coil, and they require a large hole
12:09 PM roycroft: they would not work for my current application
12:09 PM roycroft: "big serts", i gues they're called
12:10 PM roycroft: i'd like to see that testing repeated in cast iron and in mild steel
12:12 PM _unreal_: would likely yield even better results considering cast and steel are stronger then aluminum
12:14 PM roycroft: yes, but which would perform best
12:15 PM roycroft: in that one test suite, in 6061 aluminium, heli-coil outperformed time serts in both the shear and tensile tests
12:15 PM roycroft: i wonder if that would hold true in other materials
12:16 PM roycroft: as i said, my current application is not a high-performance one, and i'm certain that any thread repair system i use would work fine
12:18 PM roycroft: that first test is actually a torsion test, not a shear test
12:45 PM _unreal_: dont know
12:45 PM _unreal_: then again if preformance is not part of the needs then it doesnt matter
12:46 PM _unreal_: and hence WHAT EVER WORKS works :)
12:46 PM _unreal_: kind of cool to get to see the year 2000 and the year 2020
12:47 PM _unreal_: but I still stand firm. after the year 2020 its all hind sight
12:47 PM _unreal_: :)
12:51 PM _unreal_: well the soft foam feet I put on the new cnc frame. are doing what I was hopping they would do.
12:51 PM _unreal_: compressing and forming to the surface they are sitting on. I had a feeling the bottom was not exactly perfect
12:51 PM _unreal_: but at least its very rigid so that should ensure the body of the table does not warp
12:59 PM Loetmichel: skunkworks: music never hurts ;)
01:00 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: i dont like timeserts for their size
01:00 PM Loetmichel: they are WAY to big in most "problematic" places
01:00 PM Loetmichel: i use a "würth" product thats pretty much a copied helicoil and they are great
01:01 PM _unreal_: nifty https://www.thirtythreeforty.net/posts/2019/12/my-business-card-runs-linux/
01:01 PM Loetmichel: the outer diameter is the BARE minimum larger than the orginal thread
01:01 PM Loetmichel: so they fit pretty much anywhere
01:02 PM _unreal_: Loetmichel, I figured you'd like that homemade cnc machine video hehe. and the guy is germin
01:04 PM _unreal_: Loetmichel, ?
01:05 PM Loetmichel: he sounds german
01:06 PM Loetmichel: could also be dutch or swiss or austrian though
01:06 PM Loetmichel: they have pretty similar english accents
01:14 PM _unreal_: the website is .de
01:25 PM Loetmichel: thats a hint, indeed ;)
01:26 PM Jymmm: Loetmichel: prefixed by: abc.
01:29 PM Loetmichel: ?
01:30 PM Jymmm: Loetmichel: ABC.DE
01:30 PM Loetmichel: ah
01:31 PM Loetmichel: thas not of siginificance for determining where the youtuber lives though ;)
01:36 PM _unreal_: I dont get it
02:36 PM _unreal_: few......
02:36 PM _unreal_: just finished mowing the entire yard
02:36 PM _unreal_: yes GREEN grass :pppppppp
02:36 PM _unreal_: interesting https://coderobe.net/
02:45 PM roycroft: loetmichel: heli-coils have one main drawback in my experinece - there is a tab at the bottom of the insert that needs to be broken off in many applications, and if it's in a blind hole, or even worse, a hole that exits into an inaccessable cavity, that tab can cause problems
02:45 PM roycroft: i might consider using a time sert in a circumstance like that
02:46 PM roycroft: but the crap that the time sert zealots spew about heli-coils having little strength and coming out easily is just that - a pile of stinky crap
02:47 PM roycroft: i've *never* had a heli-coil repair fail
02:48 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: you can grind down said tab beforehand though and rely on a counter-nut to screw in the coil and loctite to keep it in place
02:48 PM roycroft: i'm not sure how that would work well
02:48 PM roycroft: a heli-coil is essentially a spring
02:49 PM roycroft: and it needs to stretch out as it's inserted
02:49 PM Loetmichel: yes, helicoils are pretty strong, way stronger than the original thread if insertet into alu anyways
02:49 PM roycroft: that's why it's inserted using the bottom of the coil
02:49 PM Loetmichel: yes, its easier from the bottom but from the top works, too
02:49 PM roycroft: i think it would be difficult to twist it in from the top
02:49 PM Loetmichel: its a bit harder though
02:50 PM Loetmichel: and you better get the screw and counter nut out before the loctite hardens ;)
02:50 PM Loetmichel: been there done that
02:50 PM roycroft: anyway, the only time i've ever run into that situation is when i would do spark plug hole repairs in vw engines
02:50 PM Loetmichel: more than a few times ;)
02:50 PM * Loetmichel had to repair the threads on his CNC 6040s z-axis
02:51 PM roycroft: i'd crank so that the piston is down, drill, crank it back up to tdc, insert the heli-coil, break the tab, remove the tab with a magnet, and then suck out the aluminium shavings with a vac
02:51 PM roycroft: with the piston at tdc the tab is really easy to pull out with a magnet
02:52 PM roycroft: a long pair of needle-nose pliers might even work
02:52 PM Loetmichel: tdc?
02:52 PM roycroft: and my strategy going forward is to avoid situations where i have to do thread repairs in blind holes or in inaccessable cavities :)
02:52 PM roycroft: top dead center
02:52 PM Loetmichel: ah!
02:53 PM roycroft: and no, i never used an indicator to find tdc in those situations :)
02:53 PM roycroft: the point is to have the piston pretty close to the top of the cylinder, so the tab is close to the hole
02:53 PM Loetmichel: i can imagine, "close enough" would be sufficient there
02:53 PM roycroft: "remotely close" is sufficient
02:54 PM roycroft: anyway, i found that video interesting
02:54 PM roycroft: and shall point folks who trash heli-coils to it
02:54 PM roycroft: heli-coil do not recommend using loctite, btw, and it's really not necessary
02:54 PM roycroft: the insert is held in place by the spring tension
02:55 PM roycroft: if you try to back it out it will try to coil up tighter
02:55 PM roycroft: and your bolt will prevent that
03:18 PM * Loetmichel was just contemplating to get his big drone out of storage, mount the 2 100W led modules under it and let it hover for 20 minutes over the neighborhood starting at 00:00... sometimes i am an ass ;)
03:21 PM Choscura is now known as choscurectum
03:22 PM choscurectum is now known as Choscura
03:32 PM _unreal_: arg....
03:34 PM Deejay: gn8
03:35 PM _unreal_: sigh. I have till 6pm to get to the hardware store
03:37 PM _unreal_: I'm not sure what tonights CNC goal is?
03:37 PM _unreal_: if much?
03:37 PM _unreal_: would be nice to design the lead screw mounts
03:38 PM Tom_L: the whold design should have been done up front
03:38 PM _unreal_: HAA
03:38 PM Tom_L: makes it easier
03:38 PM _unreal_: not when I'm getting parts free and random at that
03:39 PM _unreal_: a lot of the parts I'm using are mostly "prefabed"
03:39 PM _unreal_: sooo
03:39 PM _unreal_: bug regardless the lead screw mounts I can DESIGN
03:39 PM _unreal_: now that I have the primary rail mounted I can get my measurments and build the mounts
03:40 PM _unreal_: I do wonder how fast this machine will move
03:41 PM _unreal_: saddly I dont see 200 IPM happening
03:41 PM _unreal_: maybe 75
04:00 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:03 PM Tom_L: roycroft, the table slows down in one direction then and speeds up in the other provided it's not facing E or W
05:11 PM roycroft: happy new year, all
05:17 PM _unreal_: new years already !!
05:17 PM _unreal_: heh
05:17 PM _unreal_: ve7it, how goes it
05:17 PM _unreal_: cant wait for my parts to arrive net week
05:17 PM XXCoder: happy new year all
05:17 PM _unreal_: next
05:18 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, cant wait for those band saw parts to get here
05:18 PM XXCoder: not bad for free machine basicallu
05:18 PM XXCoder: just fix up a little
05:18 PM _unreal_: ya
05:18 PM _unreal_: really old guy down the road gave it to me
05:18 PM _unreal_: use to stop and talk all the time. THEN his dog pulled him fell broke a hip
05:18 PM _unreal_: back at it 4 months later and his dog pulled him. broke the other hip
05:19 PM ve7it: gday cnc nerds
05:19 PM XXCoder: ouch old age thats not easy
05:19 PM _unreal_: but before that he'd stop buy walking his dog around the area never failed
05:19 PM _unreal_: who are you calling nerds? were all geeks here
05:20 PM _unreal_: heh
05:20 PM _unreal_: had I not had my daughter and NOT rained so damn much. i could have gotten a lot more done
05:20 PM ve7it: hey... I think I am going to take the rest of the year off
05:20 PM _unreal_: one more day of vacataion, then I have one day of work and back to vaca
05:20 PM _unreal_: heh
05:21 PM _unreal_: ve7it, dont you think thats a little excessive
05:21 PM _unreal_: I mean I could see a little but the rest of the year
05:22 PM _unreal_: and how much time ya planning on taking off in 2020 o,O O,o o,O O,o HUMM....?
05:22 PM XXCoder: chilling till next decade
05:23 PM ve7it: I think I will hook an arduino up just to make sure I understand how to make the motors spin... that will verify the wiring and command structure... not worried about encoders at this point
05:23 PM _unreal_: I'm thinking about taking off the cap to this brand spanking new bottle of capt. morg.
05:23 PM ve7it: now that sounds like a task for the rest of the year
05:23 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I assume coding for the stm32f4 407/411 is more or less identical?
05:24 PM _unreal_: would you guys consider me a drunk of I spent the rest of the year drinking?
05:26 PM ve7it: not as long as we can join in...
05:27 PM _unreal_: ve7it, I have not read enough of the PDF but I assume the a3936 motor controllers dont care if a motor is not hooked upto them even if they are powered?
05:27 PM _unreal_: I dont recall reading any wornings
05:28 PM _unreal_: I also dont know if/what protections the motor controller has built in. I remember you saying your were planning on testing only one motor at first
05:29 PM ve7it: I dont think it will be a problem, but I will wire up multiple motors as I would like to get an idea of total current draw.
05:29 PM ve7it: do you have the schematic handy?
05:30 PM _unreal_: https://www.allegromicro.com/~/media/Files/Datasheets/A3936-Datasheet.ashx?la=en&hash=4C8DD3EB70E27864E777D6152DEB62CCB52BF92D
05:31 PM ve7it: sry.. was thinking of the driver board schematic I did
05:32 PM _unreal_: oh
05:32 PM _unreal_: one sec
05:33 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O_kSp8N4vt2R3FWCY6W7VSbVT9WVyCv-/view
05:38 PM ve7it: one design weaknes I saw on the board was the voltage rating of C24... would have been much safer to use 35 or 50V cap
05:38 PM ve7it: lower left
05:39 PM ve7it: That cap will probably show if there has ever been a higher voltage put in.... maybe its a design feature
05:40 PM ve7it: The regulator will take up to 35V, the driver chips up to 50V
05:41 PM ve7it: and the motors dont care as they are run with controlled current
05:45 PM ve7it: rating on c23 doesnt need to be 50V... its on a 5V regulated line... I think somebody got the specs wrong when they did the parts list
05:46 PM ve7it: It all works, but it looks a little suspicious... maybe seatel will retain me as a design reviewer!
05:53 PM ve7it: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TCfFAySuFCGwRla36AjulNk_QdcdTFKt some playing I did last night with the 3D printer/laser
05:54 PM ve7it: cut up a chunk of firewood on the bandsaw and made some coasters for a buddy of mine
05:54 PM _unreal_: ve7it, dont forget the 7805
05:54 PM _unreal_: thats tied directlly to vcc
05:55 PM ve7it: 7805 is good with 35V max in if it can take the heat generated
05:56 PM _unreal_: interesting, one cap is 25 the other is 50v
05:57 PM ve7it: yea... seemed an odd choice
05:58 PM ve7it: the 25 is maxed out and the 50 is 10X overrated for voltage
05:59 PM _unreal_: I bet those motors would run like a dream at 50v range
06:00 PM jthornton: geez I have 3.7GB of data left for the month...
06:00 PM ve7it: I put urethane on those coasters and the fumes are getting kind of thick in here... was too cold to paint them in the shop. Hey... who needs rum?
06:00 PM _unreal_: jthornton, unlimated here
06:00 PM _unreal_: :)
06:01 PM * _unreal_ is enjoying rum
06:01 PM _unreal_: capt. straight
06:01 PM ve7it: jthornton, one last porno for the month! take the year out with a bang!
06:02 PM jthornton: yea I could watch videos till midnight lol
06:02 PM _unreal_: jthornton, is your internet phone based?
06:03 PM jthornton: no, sat
06:03 PM _unreal_: figures I wanted to try and get the screws mounted for the Y axis. but I dont have any screws. no one had 1/2" and straight
06:04 PM _unreal_: they where all horidlly warped
06:05 PM * jthornton wanders upstairs to toss the steak on the grill
06:05 PM _unreal_: omg... I read that out of the corner of my eye. I read speakers not steak
06:06 PM _unreal_: I had one of those !?!? moments
06:09 PM net|: http://www.netpipe.ca/games/lunaengine/Luna.html my game engine
06:16 PM _unreal_: net|, https://coderobe.net/
06:21 PM _unreal_: ok so I just got my firth X extrusion mounted
06:58 PM _unreal_: interesting I was expecting to come back to a novel of yacking
06:59 PM _unreal_: instead I did the yacking LOL
06:59 PM _unreal_: My daughter is watching animals unscripted. some TV show
06:59 PM _unreal_: hehe
06:59 PM _unreal_: just watched a bear brake something and wack its self in the balls
07:10 PM Loetmichel: ouch
07:10 PM Loetmichel: was he pissed afterwards?
07:10 PM XXCoder: ow
07:12 PM XXCoder: was once kneed in balls when I was young. yeah never again lol
07:23 PM _unreal_: I only got wacked in the balls a few times. then I became a parrent. I lost count
07:25 PM _unreal_: I'll never forget. SWING the bat sweat heart.... moments later "?!?!? THAT WAS NOT A WIFFLE BALL BAT (raspy airy voice, I should have given her a feather)"
07:25 PM _unreal_: ve7it, coding? or wiring?
07:39 PM Loetmichel: _unreal_: OUCH! :-)
07:41 PM XXCoder: ow heh
07:42 PM XXCoder: kids is just ensuring they dont get more sibings ;)
08:17 PM _unreal_: heeh wish granted
08:19 PM XXCoder: lol
08:19 PM _unreal_: arg... i need one of those 90 degree philips screw driver adatpers
08:20 PM _unreal_: wow there are a lot of fireworks going on
08:20 PM _unreal_: how about yall?
08:21 PM XXCoder: dunno not oing anywhere
08:21 PM _unreal_: there are no limits on fireworks here in florida
08:21 PM _unreal_: if i went up on the roof it would look like the forth of july with a sea of fireworks everythwere
08:45 PM elmo40: _unreal_, updated pics of the build?
09:07 PM beachbumpete1: jeez man I am pulling my freakin' hair out over here with this damn print...
09:51 PM _unreal_: ve7it, you live?
09:53 PM ve7it: just barely
09:53 PM ve7it: found some connectors to build a motor cable
09:54 PM _unreal_: SWEET
09:54 PM _unreal_: oh par port?
09:55 PM _unreal_: the more I think about it I should have included the parallel port cable BUT
09:55 PM _unreal_: the entire shell is solid stainless
09:55 PM _unreal_: and heavy
09:56 PM _unreal_: and they have the stainless braded mesh... I figured that would be subject to shipping issues
09:56 PM ve7it: no problem ... my junk box is overflowing... just took some digging... will wire something tomorrow
09:57 PM _unreal_: bs
09:57 PM _unreal_: you'll put it off till next year
09:57 PM ve7it: I told you... I am taking the rest of the year off :}
09:58 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fVV9dUz8Q6PG8vvjZBhxonPBBfuqWQc7 https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fcoc2xAgaib-Q2Wg19fngoEMoU5TnfrY
09:58 PM _unreal_: getting closer
09:59 PM _unreal_: I'd be much further ahead if I wasnt stuck in endless daddy duty
10:01 PM ve7it: looks interesting.... any chance of spacing the lower guide blocks further apart... it would cut down total travel available, but aid stability
10:02 PM _unreal_: ya I would prefer to spread them but I loose a LOT if I did
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10:02 PM _unreal_: its very rigid
10:02 PM _unreal_: as is
10:02 PM ve7it: excellent
10:03 PM _unreal_: side to side the frame does I'd say 1/10 the flex my current machine has
10:03 PM _unreal_: I really cant defelect it in any direction
10:05 PM _unreal_: ve7it, interesting https://github.com/thirtythreeforty/businesscard-linux
10:06 PM _unreal_: ve7it, also thought you may find this guys work interesting bunch of versions v.6-3.X etc and posts all of his code https://homofaciens.de/technics-machines-cnc-v3-1_en.htm
10:09 PM ve7it: https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-3D-Printed-Dremel-CNC/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email watch some of this guys videos... looks like a nice machine
10:11 PM ve7it: https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-3D-Printed-Dremel-CNC/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email watch some of this guys videos... looks like a nice machine
10:12 PM ve7it: it would take forever to print all the plastic bits, but it makes a nice tidy job... unsupported linear rails... hard to scale up as it gets pretty wobbly
10:15 PM elmo40: _unreal_, barely...
10:15 PM elmo40: almost midnight!
10:17 PM elmo40: _unreal_, i love it. plastic temporary table in the basement... ;-)
10:19 PM _unreal_: temp table?
10:19 PM _unreal_: thats just the build table
10:39 PM _unreal_: ve7it, do you have a GCODE version of the servo controller for milling?
10:41 PM ve7it: you send my servo controller quadrature signals ( like step/dir but much better )
10:41 PM ve7it: gcode processed by linuxcnc
10:57 PM _unreal_: no no what I'm asking is do you have a GCODE cut file to mill the PCB for your dspic board?
10:57 PM ve7it: ah... let me check
10:58 PM ve7it: http://ve7it.cowlug.org/dspic-servo-2bot.ngc its on the web site
10:59 PM ve7it: http://ve7it.cowlug.org/dspic-servo-2bd.ngc drill file
10:59 PM _unreal_: one other quetsion what size PCB?
11:00 PM _unreal_: I have 70x100mm single sided pcb on hand
11:00 PM _unreal_: I have larger but its 4oz dbl sided and the fr4 is paper thin
11:00 PM _unreal_: etching only :/
11:00 PM ve7it: not sure.... I would have to open the project in eagle.... let me see if it still opens
11:01 PM _unreal_: if it fits on the PCB boards I have on hand that would be sweet
11:04 PM ve7it: about 4.2 x 3.9"
11:05 PM ve7it: 4 x 3.4 is possible if no mounting for heatsink is used
11:07 PM ve7it: 100mm x 100mm approx
11:08 PM ve7it: man... still have eagle 6.6 running.... autocad now has it at 9.5... I pretty much switched to kicad after autocad took over eagle... no more limits on board size
11:12 PM _unreal_: heh
11:12 PM _unreal_: is it possible for the foot print to fit my board size or not really? just wondering
11:12 PM _unreal_: yay new years btw :)
11:13 PM _unreal_: possible meaning are the parts just really spaced out or is it taking up the room period
11:13 PM _unreal_: brb putting small child to bed
11:14 PM ve7it: you too... still 3 hours to go here, but someone is setting off fireworks outside now
11:15 PM _unreal_: been all night long here
11:15 PM _unreal_: ad they are back at it everywhere
11:16 PM _unreal_: sounds like fireworks grand fanale
11:18 PM _unreal_: if I go up on the roof and took a video it would be just a sea of fireworks
11:19 PM _unreal_: are the parts realy spaced out on the board?
11:19 PM _unreal_: or is the current size as small as it could be?
11:19 PM _unreal_: just wondering
11:21 PM _unreal_: looking at the PNG guessing its as crammed as can be
11:27 PM _unreal_: !!!! NO WONDER I have not seen my guage arm yet. I never ordered it
11:27 PM _unreal_: from amazon
11:28 PM _unreal_: ok just ordered 100x150 1.5mm single sided PCB
11:28 PM _unreal_: I was wondering why i had not seen my dial indicator magnet arm.
11:43 PM ve7it: aha..... its possible the circuit could be laid out with a bunch of surface mount to make it smaller http://ve7it.cowlug.org/dspic-servo-layout.png but the big stuff is all the power bits
11:44 PM ve7it: there is already of bunch of surface mount caps and resistors used
11:47 PM _unreal_: I just ordered pcbs
11:47 PM _unreal_: tomorrow I'll start ordering parts
11:47 PM _unreal_: I was looking at the torroco but I cant see to find contact info and its being shipped out of mexico
11:47 PM _unreal_: "sketchy"
11:57 PM _unreal_: ve7it, https://homofaciens.de/technics-machines-3D-printer-Granule-Extruder_en.htm