#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 22 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:01 AM _unreal_: tomorrow I'm going to do a bunch of milling
12:06 AM _unreal_: make all of the feet for my cnc machine
12:06 AM XXCoder: fancy
12:06 AM _unreal_: I have a bunch of scraps of starboard
12:06 AM _unreal_: so I'm going to make some stacked 1" starboard feet 2"
12:06 AM _unreal_: and I have these nice self sticking rubber pads. so I'll make them screw them together
12:06 AM _unreal_: and mount them
12:06 AM _unreal_: will be nice
12:06 AM _unreal_: and give me the extra height I need to fit the motor on the bottom
12:06 AM _unreal_: XXCoder, an suggestions on a good source for getting custom sized timing belts?
12:06 AM XXCoder: sadly dunno
12:06 AM _unreal_: I'm going to need some rather long one's
12:06 AM _unreal_: hum
12:06 AM XXCoder: I only know cheapo timing ones
12:06 AM _unreal_: cheapo?
12:06 AM XXCoder: yeah chinesium
12:06 AM _unreal_: hum
12:06 AM XXCoder: fine for 3d printing not milling
12:06 AM _unreal_: a Ineed some with a little heft
12:06 AM XXCoder: lets see
12:06 AM _unreal_: well at least ? 7-9mm wide
12:07 AM _unreal_: I'm not running dual motors
12:07 AM XXCoder: ahh ok
12:07 AM _unreal_: I'm running timed pullie
12:08 AM _unreal_: and I'm running timed pully to a servo that is already going to be geared down
12:08 AM _unreal_: I think my length is going to be around 50"
12:08 AM _unreal_: arpox
12:09 AM _unreal_: again I really cant get an accurate number TILL I can get away from my daughter
12:09 AM _unreal_: to many interuptions
12:09 AM _unreal_: killing me on completing tasks
12:10 AM _unreal_: ! good lord Pu
12:12 AM _unreal_: well 1am I need to go to bed
12:16 AM XXCoder: later
12:22 AM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest317
02:43 AM Deejay: moin
05:43 AM jthornton: morning
05:46 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:46 AM XXCoder: check this out. same machine as mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQWrBrkMzCs
05:46 AM XXCoder: not too bad., though mine will be much weaker laser
05:54 AM jthornton: you got yours yet?
05:55 AM XXCoder: not yet
05:55 AM XXCoder: watching videos to learn
05:55 AM XXCoder: its at north oregon and supposely take all way to friday to arrive i doubt its that long
05:55 AM XXCoder: rpi4 will arrive tues.
05:56 AM jthornton: you going to convert it to LinuxCNC?
05:56 AM XXCoder: not right away
05:56 AM XXCoder: will try some stuff
05:56 AM XXCoder: like inkscape to gcode
06:07 AM XXCoder: watching 23 min of guy testing stuff
06:07 AM XXCoder: brass ring engrave it works lol
06:08 AM XXCoder: erm it looks wood but used brass powder as fill? not sure lol
06:08 AM XXCoder: if you want watch its https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdKnaIsnpOQ
06:15 AM XXCoder: link bomb lol 11 min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HfzG3UbMoc
06:36 AM _unreal_: XXCoder, did you ever go to bed?
06:36 AM XXCoder: yes
06:36 AM _unreal_: 5 min doesnt count
06:36 AM XXCoder: after im done watching you sleep
06:40 AM _unreal_: which rpi4 did you get?
06:40 AM XXCoder: nice alum black case one
06:40 AM XXCoder: a second
06:40 AM XXCoder: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XTQL6YZ/
06:41 AM _unreal_: ? there are different versions of rpi4 which version did you get
06:41 AM _unreal_: does that one have the FPGa?
06:42 AM XXCoder: fpga not found so guess not?
06:42 AM _unreal_: the fpga one would make for a great hardware controller
06:47 AM _unreal_: more or less MESA built in ;)
06:47 AM XXCoder: ah well if im using it for linuxcnc I would get MESA
06:47 AM XXCoder: is it seperate module, or rpi4 "hat"?
06:49 AM _unreal_: looks like you can get pci express on the pi 4
06:51 AM _unreal_: interesting the internet seems to have forgotten it
06:52 AM XXCoder: odd. well mines standard 4 gb ram obne
06:53 AM _unreal_: I saw a number of videos on it
06:53 AM jthornton: pcie on a pi 4? where?
06:53 AM _unreal_: there was a custom version with A pga ON IT
06:53 AM _unreal_: jthornton, hack
06:53 AM jthornton: ah
06:53 AM XXCoder: i ee. well I went for standard :)
06:56 AM _unreal_: cant find it
06:56 AM _unreal_: this is amazing
06:56 AM _unreal_: sigh
07:01 AM _unreal_: there was a version of rpi4 with a custom programmable logic chip on it an FPGA I believe that could be programmed and re-programmed to design a custom logic controller to do what ever you want.
07:05 AM _unreal_: and now I cant find hide or tail of it
07:05 AM _unreal_: My searches are CLEARLY being directed away from what I'm looking for
07:06 AM XXCoder: try "exact" google search (verbium something)
07:06 AM _unreal_: I dont know what you mean
07:06 AM _unreal_: there were youtube reviews of rpi4 before it came out with people showing the board and pointing out the custom logic chip
07:07 AM XXCoder: well in search page theres "tools" menu, click then then in list there is "all" and "verbium"
07:07 AM XXCoder: select latter for better matches
07:09 AM _unreal_: https://www.reddit.com/r/FPGA/comments/b875fq/the_new_raspberry_pi_4_will_include_an_fpga/
07:10 AM XXCoder: it was a hoax
07:10 AM XXCoder: look at video title :)
07:10 AM _unreal_: ?
07:10 AM XXCoder: april fool
07:12 AM TurBoss: ççççççççç
07:13 AM XXCoder: apparently serial code is hex for APRILFOOLS, and qr code GETS April Fools
07:13 AM XXCoder: hey
07:14 AM _unreal_: so aparently my father has hoses plugged into every organ in his body right now
07:15 AM _unreal_: and I'm Bared from going to see him in the hospital because he "" doesnt want"" my daughter to see him like this.. seems more like a double intender
07:15 AM _unreal_: seeing as how I'm a FULL time single parent
07:38 AM elmo40: been there... my father developed a rare form of lymph cancer. blood circulation was so bad they amputated both legs. i became angry every time i went to see him... the hospital didn't want me there. (i was only 16)
07:38 AM XXCoder: blood cancer for my dad. he lived with for long time but he died evenually
07:40 AM _unreal_: ya.. sad thing is my father has had a KNOWN issue for 18 months EASY!!!!
07:40 AM _unreal_: and willfuly refused get checked out
07:41 AM _unreal_: he finally relented and wet in to get a check up for "hemroids"
07:42 AM _unreal_: So what could have likely ended up being a simple colonoscopy proceadure is now likely terminal. I still have no idea what "stage cancer he has.
07:43 AM _unreal_: I'm going to assume stage 4
07:47 AM XXCoder: dunno but just do best as you can. once he dies its done forever
07:47 AM XXCoder: I regret not talking with my dad more.
07:48 AM XXCoder: off to bed
07:52 AM elmo40: g'night
07:52 AM elmo40: i lost a friend a couple weeks back... i even messaged her the day before she died but she didn't reply. only 38!
07:56 AM _unreal_: yep...
07:56 AM elmo40: sad world
07:57 AM _unreal_: ya I'm in a really awkward spot as well
07:57 AM _unreal_: My father owns multi homes
07:57 AM _unreal_: I have 4 siblings I'm the eldest
07:57 AM _unreal_: AND one of the houses is mine regardless if I want it or not.
07:57 AM elmo40: the will been updated???
07:58 AM _unreal_: yes
07:58 AM _unreal_: because it was a home when he and my mother were divirced.
07:58 AM _unreal_: one of my siblings lives in that house
07:58 AM _unreal_: I live in an other one of his houses
07:59 AM _unreal_: etc...
07:59 AM _unreal_: he travels with work so he's crashing all of his homes as he travels
07:59 AM _unreal_: its an interesting setup
07:59 AM elmo40: living there means nothing. what is on paper is what matters
07:59 AM _unreal_: NO KIDDING
08:00 AM _unreal_: so
08:00 AM elmo40: read the Will
08:00 AM elmo40: make sure ALL items are listed in detail
08:00 AM _unreal_: A I dont have access to it or not that I know of
08:01 AM elmo40: you should be able. it must be organized asap!
08:02 AM _unreal_: and B I know the will has been updated becuase My step mother out of the blue divorced him last year. socked the hell out of me. now I know why she was very interested in having me move down to this state.
08:02 AM elmo40: my friend didn't expecet to die so she didn't have one... all her banking, online passwords, 6-year old daughter stuff is all fucked now. the courts will get in there and ruin everything.
08:03 AM _unreal_: I'm not to worried hes talked about his will endless ly
08:03 AM _unreal_: and his very job IS dealing with BIG money and international business
08:37 AM jymmmm: Good morning folks
08:50 AM _unreal_: dont you good morning me mister
08:53 AM jymmmm: _unreal_: Um, "May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your bed tonight" ???
08:56 AM jymmmm: _unreal_: better?
09:15 AM kritterr: Are there any open source solutions for a GUI interface (leveling, etc - the part I do after generating gcode) that are equivalent to mach3?
09:16 AM kritterr: I personally don't mind using proprietary stuff, but I prefer to go open source if the solution is equivalent/better
09:20 AM kritterr: And to be clear, this isn't my asking if it's better than linuxcnc - I fundamentally agree with the aims of the LinuxCNC project, I just have two mills that already have perfectly good grbl boards on them
09:21 AM kritterr: and I need them to make PCBs for me (indeed, for use with linuxcnc)
09:26 AM kritterr: Also, since I'm still at the stage of "pick a way to talk to my steppers", it was explained to me that mach3 uses USB and deals with the overhead by having the commands sent *after* they make it through the USB interface.
09:27 AM kritterr: Can LinuxCNC do that? Use those same cards, I mean?
09:27 AM kritterr: because those are cheaper than a Mesa, and tbh I'm curious to try all the solutions anyway - parallel, USB, and ethernet (likely eventually settling on ethernet)
09:41 AM Loetmichel: hmm, just found my "soccer-WM-videoprojector" from 2014. Plugged a raspi in, put it on my nightstand: YES, still works. Now if that were a bit more resolution than 800*600 and not that much fan noise that would be ideal to read book or play a bit (steam remote) before sleeping. Anyone knows of a _cheap_ LED projector with 1280*xxx and SILENT? Can be pretty dark, too.
09:55 AM JT-Shop: hmm FedSex just delivered a package from McMaster-Carr
09:57 AM jymmmm: Loetmichel: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07D467KPD/
09:59 AM Loetmichel: jymmmm: 800*480 native. thats not enough to read ebooks with. Also about the same specs as i already have. but thanks
10:00 AM jymmmm: Loetmichel: Supporting 1920x1080 resolution
10:01 AM jymmmm: ah ok
10:01 AM _unreal_: kritterr, ahh. depends on your sotware
10:01 AM kritterr: That's what I'm deciding on
10:01 AM _unreal_: the GCODE is a set design path. bed leveling is a feature of the machine control software. be it linuxcnc, planetcnc mach3 etc...
10:02 AM jymmmm: Loetmichel: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GDNVND9/
10:02 AM kritterr: Right, so for a normal non-linuxcnc (like I have right now) I need some way to just...like jog it around and make a height map
10:02 AM _unreal_: is your bed not level?
10:03 AM _unreal_: and WHAT kind of a bed on what machine? mill or EDM?
10:03 AM _unreal_: kritterr,?
10:04 AM kritterr: Normal CNC mills, and a) probably not very level and b) I'm milling PCBs so, in theory, it's easy enough to do the height map
10:04 AM Loetmichel: jymmmm: looks good but no word about noise level. which makes me a bit weary ;)
10:04 AM kritterr: I did it once (once) upon a time with Candle
10:04 AM kritterr: but tbh candle didn't strike me as especially good
10:04 AM Loetmichel: do you have personal experience or are you just googling?
10:05 AM _unreal_: kritterr, what machine bed are you leveling?
10:05 AM _unreal_: is this for a mill or your EDM?
10:05 AM _unreal_: and what are you cnc'ing
10:06 AM _unreal_: sigh..
10:06 AM kritterr: Just for the CNC mills for today. It's a CNC 3018, nothing special. And just some PCBs.
10:07 AM kritterr: Maybe a little 555 synthesizer for fun.
10:08 AM _unreal_: ok
10:08 AM _unreal_: kritterr, dont bother leveling
10:08 AM _unreal_: now that I have half an idea what your doing do it the simple way
10:08 AM kritterr: My question isn't really about leveling
10:08 AM kritterr: It's more "what software should I be using if I want to level"
10:08 AM _unreal_: kritterr, get a pine board. lets say 1"x work dimention you need
10:08 AM kritterr: Already on.
10:09 AM _unreal_: and just mill an inside area
10:09 AM _unreal_: and Pocket the 0,0 corner
10:09 AM kritterr: I appreciate the advice on leveling, but it's software I need to know about
10:09 AM kritterr: in particular, what to use
10:09 AM _unreal_: you dont need to level if you do that
10:10 AM kritterr: I understand. Thank you.
10:10 AM kritterr: For example, bCNC or Candle or etc. What's the recommended front end?
10:10 AM kritterr: i'd rather use linuxcnc but that'll be a few days
10:11 AM _unreal_: what ever software your using to control the cnc machine MUST have a mapping software that you can use a probe to level with
10:11 AM _unreal_: ether touch, or conductive
10:11 AM _unreal_: so I mean the question your asking is more or less useless because its only reletive to the control software that is driving the cnc machine
10:11 AM kritterr: Got conductive probing.
10:12 AM kritterr: i'll try bcnc
10:12 AM _unreal_: ok THEN the control software your using Bcnc I believe yousaid must have a maping feature
10:12 AM kritterr: Ideally, yeah. If I ever want thin traces anyway.
10:12 AM _unreal_: IF it does then your all set...
10:12 AM _unreal_: kritterr, regardless thats not true
10:12 AM _unreal_: IF
10:13 AM _unreal_: you set up a working milling block for PCBs
10:13 AM _unreal_: you dont need to level the bed or probe it
10:13 AM kritterr: Eh, it took like 3 minutes to probe it last time
10:13 AM _unreal_: because if you design a board with set hold downs so it can be re-located to the same location on the machine and you set a working off set as a tooling offset
10:13 AM kritterr: (also my wood is outside and it's like -30C)
10:13 AM kritterr: oh
10:14 AM kritterr: i have firewood
10:14 AM kritterr: nvm
10:14 AM _unreal_: then when you put the board back into its known location it should be dead nuts level
10:14 AM kritterr: Bark on the milling block should look nice.
10:14 AM _unreal_: I dont think you really understand what I'm saying
10:15 AM kritterr: I do.
10:15 AM _unreal_: most cnc softwares allow you to have SET off set locations
10:15 AM kritterr: You are suggesting that I put an unlevel block of wood on the bed, then mill out a flat portion that fits my bare copper boards
10:15 AM _unreal_: so if you do a pocket job and mounting holes so that part can be mounted in the same location EVERY TIME
10:16 AM _unreal_: ETHER FITS or over sized IDEALY and you use screws to hold it down
10:16 AM jymmmm: Loetmichel: Such a whiner, eeeeesh lol
10:16 AM Loetmichel: hmm?
10:16 AM kritterr: I would also like to remind you that, at present, *I am not quite at the level of experience necessary to make a block like that*
10:16 AM _unreal_: I could draw it for you in about 5min including gcode
10:16 AM jymmmm: Loetmichel: got to be quiet, they have a return policy, blah blah blah
10:16 AM kritterr: No matter how simple it is, even if it takes 0.00001 minutes of experience, I have 0 minutes.
10:16 AM Loetmichel: jymmmm: ah
10:17 AM _unreal_: kritterr, are you running windows?
10:17 AM kritterr: Yeah. Why you gotta rub it in like that?
10:17 AM _unreal_: i'm not
10:17 AM kritterr: I'm joking.
10:17 AM _unreal_: check out carbide create ITS FREE
10:17 AM Loetmichel: not a whiner. just wanted to know if you are googling or had personal experience with that model
10:17 AM _unreal_: it also has a grbl control
10:17 AM jymmmm: I am, Windows is just the most profitable virus ever
10:17 AM _unreal_: its also CAD and CAM for 2d all in one
10:17 AM kritterr: god i hate windows
10:17 AM kritterr: I'll try that.
10:18 AM jymmmm: Loetmichel: I had my eye on the first one for a while
10:18 AM _unreal_: it has a number of VERY annoying issues that you will learn to work around
10:18 AM kritterr: Windows: The hottest garbage.
10:18 AM _unreal_: kritterr, also check out designspark
10:18 AM _unreal_: machanical
10:18 AM _unreal_: its again WINDOWS but its the best IMO CAD software out there
10:18 AM _unreal_: and free
10:18 AM kritterr: I usually use Fusion or Solidworks
10:18 AM _unreal_: try it
10:18 AM kritterr: i'd be linux 100% all day if i could use Fusion on Linux
10:18 AM kritterr: Which, of course, I can. Except not on my distro.
10:19 AM _unreal_: kritterr, I have two computers in front of me
10:19 AM kritterr: Except I can. But not easily.
10:19 AM _unreal_: one is lin the other is win
10:19 AM kritterr: same
10:19 AM Loetmichel: kritterr: ah. so you are rich?
10:19 AM Loetmichel: (solidworks)
10:19 AM kritterr: No. I am merely a pirate.
10:19 AM Loetmichel: i see ;))
10:19 AM _unreal_: i OWN FUSION :)
10:19 AM _unreal_: :p
10:19 AM kritterr: i've been leaning more towards fusion lately
10:20 AM _unreal_: I got a steal of a deal $310 anually for ever so long as I renew it
10:20 AM kritterr: My friend wasn't willing to pirate Solidworks and he started using it, so I just switched to it as well
10:20 AM _unreal_: other wise its $500 something
10:20 AM * Loetmichel works for a company that does military hardware mostly... cloud storage is a nogo ;)
10:20 AM _unreal_: :)
10:20 AM Loetmichel: so i use MoI ;)
10:20 AM kritterr: because he kept asking questions so i had to boot it
10:21 AM Loetmichel: and sometimes freecad to convert certain 3d formats to something MoI understands ;)
10:21 AM kritterr: i remember when i had every single CAD tool installed all at once
10:21 AM _unreal_: kritterr, anything 2d I typically use designspark. and carbide create. anything 3d milling I use fusion
10:22 AM kritterr: Solidworks, Fusion, Inventor, FreeCAD, openCAD, and like several others
10:22 AM _unreal_: if its complicated I design in designspark and then open the dxf in carbide
10:22 AM _unreal_: to generate cam
10:22 AM kritterr: Kind of a non-technical question, but gcode is really old, right?
10:22 AM kritterr: Did ancient machinists actually like...write the code by hand?
10:22 AM _unreal_: kritterr, gcode goes back to punch card days
10:22 AM _unreal_: yes
10:23 AM Loetmichel: kritterr: yeah, even the machines with paper tape as data input understand a variant of Gcode
10:23 AM Loetmichel: ;)
10:23 AM kritterr: So they basically had a design in front of their eyes and then used their brains as CAM?
10:23 AM Loetmichel: yes
10:23 AM _unreal_: no different then one of those music box things with a drum with pegs on it
10:23 AM kritterr: How the actual fuck did they do that
10:23 AM Loetmichel: still do it sometimes now
10:23 AM Loetmichel: for simple things
10:23 AM Loetmichel: its easy
10:24 AM kritterr: Well, turbochargers are older than modern computers, and they made turbo wheels then as well, right?
10:24 AM _unreal_: kritterr, lets say you have punch cards. you just need a sensor to read the holes can those sensors can drive relays to move motors
10:24 AM Loetmichel: you just have to be good at math in your head because of all the mill bit radius correction ;)
10:24 AM kritterr: So someone, somewhere, must have turned a turbo wheel into CAM in his head.
10:24 AM kritterr: fucking mind-boggling
10:25 AM _unreal_: kritterr, regardless your bed leveling need is for the most of the time not worth dealing with.
10:25 AM _unreal_: maping a surface is really more so needed IF your milling onto a surface that is anything but flat
10:25 AM kritterr: When you think about it, leveling the bed is just really, really, really tiny EDM
10:25 AM _unreal_: like say a wooden spoon
10:25 AM Loetmichel: usually those were made as a model of a single blade from wood/foam, then poured with some resin, then assebled to a full plastic/foam wheel and then simply cast in steel with lost form
10:25 AM _unreal_: kritterr, not really
10:26 AM kritterr: It was a joke.
10:26 AM _unreal_: i dont get it
10:26 AM kritterr: Tiny spark from closing/opening the circuit
10:26 AM kritterr: (opening/closing any switch, no matter how small, will produce an extremely small arc for a very brief time, as I'm sure you know)
10:27 AM kritterr: Loetmichel, did someone carve the original by hand?
10:27 AM Loetmichel: yes
10:27 AM _unreal_: anyways design spark machanical, and carbide create are something you should look at. carbide will make it very easy to make 2d milling jobs and EASY. BUT!!!!!!!! it has a nubmer of software design flaws and the #$%@#$%^@#$%34 designers have never bothered to correct ANY of them
10:28 AM _unreal_: for example if you click on items or select multi items they have a tendency to stick to the mouse
10:28 AM kritterr: Why do you use both design spark and carbide for 2d?
10:28 AM _unreal_: and you have to click the other button or toher locations and you have to undo and try again
10:28 AM kritterr: Loetmichel, that's pretty remarkable in itself. What is the actual margin for error on a turbo wheel? 0.1mm? Less?
10:29 AM _unreal_: kritterr, because carbide has some ok CAD in it but its NOT ideal
10:29 AM _unreal_: its crude at best
10:29 AM syyl_: the mill at my dayjob can do z-height compensation by mapping the whole workpiece surface with the 3d probe
10:29 AM syyl_: its a painfull slow process if the part is larger than the palm of your hand and you want decent ressolution
10:30 AM _unreal_: where as designspark and fusion etc... allows you to move parts with ease and design with high levels of detail
10:30 AM _unreal_: also if you design something in carbide SAVE often
10:30 AM _unreal_: you can save in the carbide software format. and save the gcode file
10:30 AM Loetmichel: kritterr: other way to do it is to carve a single blade and use a copying mill to make the wheel, rotating it a certain degree for every blade you need
10:31 AM kritterr: https://www.hemmings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//2011/01/Turbo.jpg
10:31 AM kritterr: That looks like a prop to me, and those are made by hand sometimes.
10:31 AM kritterr: also
10:31 AM Loetmichel: like a deckel GK12 or similar
10:31 AM kritterr: ...do most people know what a copying mill is, or is that just you
10:31 AM kritterr: since i've never heard anyone else ever speak of them
10:31 AM syyl_: deckel KF
10:32 AM syyl_: the gk can only do smaller/larger but not 1:1
10:32 AM kritterr: I mean the old style
10:32 AM _unreal_: kritterr, a copying mill is just an armature one wide has a router on it. the other side has a "probe" the probe follows the design by hand control
10:32 AM syyl_: copy/tracer mills are a thing of the past, obsolete for many, many years
10:32 AM Loetmichel: syyl_: i bow to your deckel knowledge ;)
10:32 AM syyl_: ;)
10:32 AM kritterr: Yeah, that's what I mean
10:33 AM kritterr: i thought they were fairly obscure
10:33 AM syyl_: nothing on a copy mill is "just", haha :D
10:33 AM kritterr: Apparently not.
10:33 AM Loetmichel: kritter asked about how it would have been done before CNC ;)
10:33 AM syyl_: you need a frickn diploma to run one to its full potential
10:33 AM kritterr: When did turbo wheels start to look like turbo wheels?
10:34 AM kritterr: I bring up turbo wheels because they're kind of the typical "cool CNC mill" item.
10:34 AM kritterr: i.e. complex and they look neat
10:34 AM kritterr: ...Plus I like turbos.
10:34 AM _unreal_: turbowheel? you mean impeller
10:34 AM kritterr: Yeah.
10:34 AM _unreal_: kritterr, how old are you?
10:34 AM kritterr: Turbo wheel is a colloquialism
10:35 AM kritterr: because rednecks think the word impeller sounds funny
10:35 AM kritterr: Late 20's.
10:35 AM Loetmichel: kritterr: the "turbos" on the ship i served on looked like the "normal " ones you see today. just with 6ft diameter... and taht ship was from 1961 ;)
10:36 AM kritterr: syyl_, i remember when i was veeeeery young, being in a wood shop and seeing a propeller mounted on a wall. there was basically a peg that traced the shape, and above that, a router was mounted, carving out a piece of wood above it.
10:36 AM Loetmichel: so the MWM engine desing was likely at least a decade older
10:36 AM kritterr: It was all manual, he had to move the frame himself.
10:36 AM kritterr: That's a copying/tracing machine, right?
10:37 AM syyl_: the most basic. the woodworkers also call them copy-carvers
10:38 AM kritterr: Yeah, that's what it was. I wonder why he had it mounted on the wall.
10:39 AM kritterr: this is almost exactly what it looked like: https://gfycat.com/kindlythoughtfulbellsnake
10:39 AM syyl_: yes, those are super basic
10:39 AM syyl_: also used to copy gunstocks
10:40 AM syyl_: http://www.gorton-machine.org/forms/form_2070a/index.html
10:40 AM syyl_: here are some examples what a full blown copy/tracer/pantograph can do
10:40 AM kritterr: What a neat machine.
10:40 AM kritterr: Loetmichel, so do modern turbo impellers predate modern computers
10:40 AM kritterr: cuz if so
10:40 AM Loetmichel: to be honest: i wouldnt trust a prop made of a single piece of wood ;)
10:40 AM kritterr: someone may have CAM'd a turbo wheel in his head
10:40 AM Loetmichel: yes they do
10:41 AM kritterr: Very good.
10:41 AM Loetmichel: but i would assume that since fluid simulations came round the quality of said impellers got a LOT better
10:41 AM kritterr: syyl_, that's a really cool link
10:41 AM kritterr: tyvm
10:42 AM kritterr: Though I suppose all machinists love old machines, never met one that didn't
10:42 AM Loetmichel: thats partly because the new machines are usually crap
10:42 AM Loetmichel: even the big ones
10:43 AM syyl_: (i disagree)
10:43 AM Loetmichel: compared to the old ones where the engineers designed by "gut" and had a ton of "superflous" material
10:43 AM kritterr: look on the bright side, odds of one of us ever owning a big new CNC mill are pretty low
10:43 AM kritterr: Heh, that's 90% of my rationale for EDM
10:43 AM syyl_: speak for yourself, sir
10:43 AM syyl_: ;)
10:43 AM Loetmichel: also its kinda neat to see how ingenious the old guys were
10:43 AM kritterr: you can make them really light
10:43 AM kritterr: no vibrations
10:43 AM kritterr: ...ideally.
10:44 AM syyl_: i have never seen a "light" edm - ram or wire
10:44 AM syyl_: ;)
10:44 AM kritterr: tbh i can't see why
10:44 AM kritterr: baxedm has one
10:44 AM kritterr: sec
10:44 AM kritterr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzneuHc0Sk
10:45 AM syyl_: our old aeg elotherm and the new agie roboform both have about 350x350 work envelope
10:45 AM kritterr: I'm being unfair, that's not really "light", his machine is extremely nice
10:45 AM kritterr: But it is lighter than most real EDMs.
10:45 AM syyl_: and come in way beyond 2..3 tons :D
10:45 AM kritterr: I'm trying to make one even lighter and crappier than that.
10:45 AM syyl_: dont even want to think about the mitsubishi wire edms
10:46 AM Loetmichel: syyl_: i didnt mean that modern machines dont do their job
10:46 AM kritterr: So this is kinda awkward but you're actually the first person I've ever spoken to live that has somewhat recent experience with EDM
10:46 AM Loetmichel: i meant that the old ones usually are more forgiving if you do something wrong
10:46 AM kritterr: You mind if I ask you things from time to time?
10:47 AM syyl_: i dont run them myself
10:47 AM syyl_: they sit next to my mill at work ;)
10:47 AM kritterr: i mean, you have seen them irl
10:47 AM kritterr: that is mre than i can say.
10:48 AM kritterr: My only pressing question is: Why is multi-axis sinker EDM not a thing? My machine attempts to use a TIG electrode to act like an actual cutting tool - approach from the right angle and sparky sparky.
10:49 AM syyl_: uhm
10:49 AM syyl_: thats a thing
10:49 AM syyl_: completely standard
10:49 AM _unreal_: syyl_, beat me to it heh
10:49 AM kritterr: I've had some difficulty finding images/pictures of it
10:49 AM syyl_: when you do mold work and cut the gates into the cavity
10:50 AM syyl_: you run the electrode in at an angle
10:50 AM kritterr: I understand why a real machine shop might not want that, because it's slow, but a home user doesn't really mind if it's slow.
10:50 AM kritterr: Also, how often are EDM "milling" operations done? I've seen drawings of that, never anything more detailed. As in waving the electrode back and forth rather than up and down.
10:50 AM syyl_: you mean following a contour?
10:51 AM kritterr: Think like milling out a pocket.
10:51 AM syyl_: yes, the machines can do that
10:51 AM syyl_: and its stupid slow
10:51 AM syyl_: our edm guy at work showed that to me
10:51 AM syyl_: to cut a larger counterbore
10:51 AM syyl_: its just stupid slow :D
10:51 AM kritterr: How slow? Most 3D printers are pretty slow, so my expectations are as low as possible.
10:52 AM syyl_: that was like a 40mm diameter, 20mm deep in steel
10:52 AM syyl_: with a 10mm electrode
10:52 AM syyl_: took all day
10:52 AM kritterr: I'd accept a pretty slow machine if it could machine out an inconel turbo wheel in my shop, just sayin. All day seems like a good deal for custom inconel work.
10:52 AM syyl_: not to speak about electrode wear
10:53 AM kritterr: Well, would you mind critiquing my strategy regarding electrode wear?
10:53 AM syyl_: well, it will wear :D
10:54 AM syyl_: modern generators have become way better
10:54 AM syyl_: 10 years between machines made a huge difference
10:54 AM kritterr: 1) I'm using tig electrodes, so those are very common and cheap. They're also tungsten which I suspect will last longer. 2) When the rod gets all worn, the user just goes and cuts it (exactly the same as a tig welder would do).
10:54 AM syyl_: i dont see any benefit of contour-ram-edm above normal cnc milling
10:55 AM kritterr: 1) Lighter and can be made of cheaper components 2) exotics. Point (1) is only of benefit to the home user.
10:55 AM syyl_: i guess you will be better off buying a used industrial mill :D
10:55 AM kritterr: He's not making 1000 parts a day, so he doesn't mind if it's very slow.
10:56 AM Loetmichel: syyl_: no forces to speak of, so higher precision with lower quality/strengh parts
10:56 AM kritterr: Well, it's an open source project
10:56 AM syyl_: i hear the "i dont mind if its slow" often
10:56 AM kritterr: i want to make something other people can build for themselves
10:56 AM Loetmichel: also hard materials work as well as soft ones
10:56 AM Loetmichel: as long as they are conductive ;)
10:56 AM syyl_: and the reality: it will piss you off after the first part :D
10:56 AM Loetmichel: yeah, see that with my 3dprinters all day
10:56 AM kritterr: i'll accept that for free titanium machining at home.
10:57 AM Loetmichel: already tuned my bedflingers up to 70mm/sec for that reason
10:57 AM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqOiytidZOM <- :-)
10:57 AM kritterr: 3) I suspect it is possible to reprofile the usable depth of the electrode by bringing it close to a flat piece of steel and then turning the electrode around in circles, using settings designed to intentionally wear the electrode
10:57 AM kritterr: (Is that true? Could that work?)
10:57 AM syyl_: yes, there are machines that can dress the elctrode
10:58 AM kritterr: also i run my printer like a son of a bitch too Loetmichel
10:58 AM kritterr: that thing shakes the house during infill
10:58 AM Loetmichel: it doese shake my desk sometimes, indeed ;)
10:58 AM kritterr: btw syyl_ to be clear, everything you've said is true
10:58 AM kritterr: It's just that a used EDM doesn't scale
10:59 AM kritterr: i want everyone to be able to make one. like a reprap.
10:59 AM Tom_L: but i don't want one!
10:59 AM kritterr: Nope. You're making one. Sorry.
10:59 AM syyl_: lol Tom_L :D
10:59 AM kritterr: Mandatory EDM.
10:59 AM syyl_: sorry, youre getting an edm.
11:00 AM syyl_: and 250l of diesel.
11:00 AM kritterr: I was gonna use diesel for my own machine
11:00 AM kritterr: (or kero)
11:00 AM Tom_L: i saw the one at stuart's
11:00 AM Tom_L: it was pretty cool
11:00 AM kritterr: but for others, uh, i think i'll recommend water
11:00 AM kritterr: lest they set themselves on fire
11:00 AM syyl_: not sure about ram-edm with water
11:01 AM kritterr: sec
11:01 AM kritterr: https://youtu.be/414J0v75Jcc?t=1177
11:02 AM kritterr: Just gotta filter it and monitor conductivity
11:02 AM kritterr: diesel really is better though
11:03 AM kritterr: In particular, you can filter diesel to 2 microns with parts you can find at any Autozone in America
11:04 AM kritterr: Filtering water to 2 microns is likely more expensive and harder to find.
11:04 AM kritterr: Though I guess I could just put water through a diesel fuel filter
11:04 AM syyl_: i would be reasonable concerned running a ram edm without fire suppression ;)
11:04 AM syyl_: just as a sidenote
11:05 AM kritterr: That's a very, very reasonable concern.
11:05 AM syyl_: (they have a co2 system usualy)
11:06 AM kritterr: i see grabbing my argon bottle off the welding cart in a blind panic in my future
11:07 AM kritterr: That said, I think the risk of a fire using water for the dielectric is reduced.
11:22 AM _unreal_: OMG so much better
11:22 AM _unreal_: I put a 1 degree plunge rage rather then a 45 or much higher
11:23 AM _unreal_: how its milling fast
11:23 AM _unreal_: I'm making the feet for my new cnc machine
11:23 AM _unreal_: I'm designing them custom to the self stick on foam feet I have
11:23 AM _unreal_: :)
11:28 AM _unreal_: for all of the hours I've put on this cnc machine my dirt cheap micro spindle has YET to fail me
11:29 AM _unreal_: only 200 watt as well
12:00 PM _unreal_: so quiet
12:05 PM Tom_L: was
12:12 PM _unreal_: half of the large new feet for my new cnc machine milled so far
12:12 PM _unreal_: making 2" tall feet for my cnc
12:12 PM _unreal_: from 1" hdpe
12:13 PM _unreal_: once mounted I'll put self sticking foam bapds
12:30 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, adjustable for leveling?
12:57 PM _unreal_: no need
12:57 PM kritterr: So I'm now running bCNC on my little mill. If I were to set an origin, do I do that at the edge of the table, or the edge of the part?
12:57 PM _unreal_: the bed has already been leveled
12:57 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I built the board
12:57 PM kritterr: Also, just so we're all clear, Windows 10 is horrible.
12:57 PM _unreal_: I had it planed
12:58 PM _unreal_: kritterr, preaching to the quire
12:58 PM _unreal_: ahhh?
12:58 PM kritterr: like it's aggressively terrible. It's like a toy compared to windows 7.
12:58 PM kritterr: it's the "no you can't do that" OS
12:58 PM _unreal_: likely part
12:59 PM _unreal_: kritterr, depends on what your refering to
12:59 PM _unreal_: have you homed?
12:59 PM kritterr: No. I have jogged the spindle around aimlessly, cut my hand slightly, smeared peanut butter on the table by accident, and also scared the cat.
01:00 PM _unreal_: I'm pulling up bcnc right now
01:00 PM kritterr: also bCNC has a cam tab
01:00 PM kritterr: Should I be using that? Or should I do CAM in another program and just import gcode?
01:00 PM _unreal_: bcnc is NOT linuxcnc so dont be a smart ass. if you dont want help seek it else ware
01:01 PM kritterr: I'm not being a smartass. Nothing I said was rude or intended to be rude.
01:01 PM _unreal_: <kritterr> No. I have jogged the spindle around aimlessly, cut my hand slightly, smeared peanut butter on the table by accident, and also scared the cat.
01:01 PM _unreal_: really
01:01 PM kritterr: Yeah. It's called humor.
01:01 PM kritterr: I'm good on the help, thanks.
01:01 PM kritterr: Have a good one.
01:01 PM _unreal_: thats not humer
01:01 PM _unreal_: humor
01:02 PM _unreal_: hello
01:02 PM _unreal_: milling my legs for the new cnc currently
01:02 PM _unreal_: ve7it, making stand off well more of FEET then legs really
01:02 PM _unreal_: so I can fit one of the servos under the dable
01:02 PM _unreal_: table
01:03 PM _unreal_: ! I could mount it a the end but I'd rather not make the table 8" longer then it already is
01:06 PM _unreal_: ve7it, ?
01:06 PM ve7it: yup... just getting organized
01:06 PM _unreal_: wow kritter is rude
01:10 PM ve7it: ok... missed it?
01:11 PM elmo40: yeah. you did. check the logs.
01:11 PM elmo40: or i can PM you
01:14 PM ve7it: elmo40, pm please
01:15 PM _unreal_: maybe he is but I find it hard to believe the guy is late 20's. reminds me far FAR more of a snotty teen
01:15 PM Tom_L: funny, i thought that about you early on.
01:15 PM ziper: Tom_L, and now?
01:16 PM Tom_L: not much different :D
01:16 PM ziper: i used to be a drug addict
01:16 PM * _unreal_ gives a fist pump
01:16 PM ziper: i still am, but i used to too
01:16 PM _unreal_: yes..
01:17 PM ve7it: i am addicted to technology... stuff runs my life.. i cant stop using
01:19 PM ve7it: _unreal_, "Your item arrived at a facility in CANADA on December 21, 2019 at 3:13 pm." now that is really helpful....not
01:20 PM ve7it: i went somewhere.... could be closer, could be 2000 miles away
01:22 PM _unreal_: clearly a user
01:22 PM _unreal_: I wonder if that means that its passed customs?
01:24 PM elmo40: ve7it, i had a package in June 'arrive in canada...' with zero extra details. never made it to my door.
01:24 PM elmo40: and the tracking details just stop there!
01:24 PM elmo40: so i know it wasn't taken from my step
01:31 PM _unreal_: elmo40, I sent ve7it a bunch of expensive bldc motors
01:31 PM _unreal_: and controllers etc...
01:32 PM elmo40: and not to me??
01:32 PM * elmo40 is sad
01:33 PM _unreal_: A you didnt ask ;) B: its for a joint project...
01:33 PM elmo40: ah, i get it. no joints for Elmo...
01:33 PM * elmo40 isn't feeling the love
01:34 PM _unreal_: sory allready passed it along ;)...
01:34 PM _unreal_: ve7it, is about to take a deep hall next :)
01:34 PM _unreal_: when ever it shows up
01:34 PM jymmmm: elmo40: Puppy butt to cheer you up... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTnbDg_V4AA2Cpg.jpg
01:34 PM _unreal_: I bet it will show up monday or tue.
01:34 PM _unreal_: ve7it,
01:35 PM _unreal_: ! oh I should have mailed a coconut
01:35 PM _unreal_: as well
01:36 PM _unreal_: jymmmm, who doesnt love a good puppy butt
01:36 PM ve7it: yea cool... we dont see many coconut in these parts
01:36 PM jymmmm: _unreal_: exactly and fuzzy puppy butt at that!!!
01:36 PM _unreal_: ve7it, sadly I bet if I had though it would have broken
01:37 PM _unreal_: they dont like the cold. milk freezes and cracks the inside shell. soon as it melts it leaks
01:37 PM * _unreal_ does enjoy a good cocnut now and every other day then.....
01:38 PM _unreal_: ve7it, did you know there is a plunge tool for Green coconuts.
01:38 PM _unreal_: pluck them off the tree. use the hole making tool cuts all the way to the inside in like one move. and you can toss a straw in
01:38 PM elmo40: don't resorts use that?
01:39 PM _unreal_: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjB6qfM_8nmAhURQK0KHXb7BpAQjhx6BAgBEAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tastepanasian.com%2Fmanual-can-openers-gg-16%2Fvanteam-coconut-opening-tool-useful-stainless-steel-coconut-opener-tool-coco-water-punch-tap-drill-straw-open-driller-cut-knife-hole-tools-opener-for-fresh-coconut-water-1pcs-b07d6mh59f-hh-3986.html&psig=AOvVaw18UoX2jzVDhWwArEgAISE7&ust=157712954
01:39 PM _unreal_: 7248392
01:39 PM _unreal_: http://www.tastepanasian.com/manual-can-openers-gg-16/vanteam-coconut-opening-tool-useful-stainless-steel-coconut-opener-tool-coco-water-punch-tap-drill-straw-open-driller-cut-knife-hole-tools-opener-for-fresh-coconut-water-1pcs-b07d6mh59f-hh-3986.html
01:40 PM _unreal_: I have few of those and a few tree's in the back yard
01:40 PM elmo40: _unreal_, no qurl.org in your world?
01:40 PM elmo40: stupid large links...
01:40 PM _unreal_: I can be slurping a coconut in like 10 seconds
01:41 PM lambda77: Good evening
01:41 PM _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26rcd7O2TkU
01:42 PM _unreal_: omg that guys a pussy
01:42 PM _unreal_: he's also cutting into the hard area even on green coconuts LOL
01:43 PM _unreal_: better but even this guy is weak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGtV2X_kfhk
01:44 PM lambda77: Is it possible to install and run linuxcnc2.7.14 on a generic Ubuntu18.04? Do I have to install preemt or rt kernel?
01:44 PM lambda77: Can I do that with 5.0.0 kernel?
01:44 PM lambda77: Could it be that the deb package for 64bit does request 32bit python packaes?
01:45 PM _unreal_: lambda77, you must have RT/PREEMPT if your running real time
01:45 PM lambda77: is lowlatency worse?
01:45 PM _unreal_: if your using mesa you may not
01:45 PM _unreal_: un usable
01:46 PM lambda77: can I use a 5.0.0 RT/PREEMT kernel for linuxcnc?
01:46 PM _unreal_: lambda77, rt/preempt has to do with ensuring a smooth pulse train if your using a par port or any realtime control system.
01:46 PM _unreal_: if it builds I dont see why not
01:47 PM lambda77: So should install a RT/PREEMT 5.0.0 kernel with the instructions from https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51669724/install-rt-linux-patch-for-ubuntu
01:47 PM _unreal_: if your using a setup that does not require realtime like some of the ethernet mesa cards "I BELIEVE" or depends on scheme..
01:47 PM lambda77: and then try to build linux cnc
01:48 PM _unreal_: yes you should have RT regardless
01:48 PM lambda77: ok, I will change the kernel
01:48 PM lambda77: thanks a lot _unreal_
01:48 PM _unreal_: and you want RT/preempt installed before building lcnc
01:49 PM lambda77: yeah, so far I had troubles with dependencies
01:49 PM _unreal_: I have in the past. I ended up just installing EVERYTHING and it got the missing debs
01:50 PM _unreal_: also you can do a deb search in regards to what its seeking. I cant tell you have to do it off the top of my head its been a while.
01:50 PM _unreal_: but you can do a deb search regarding what your MAKE file is seeking and go from ther
01:51 PM _unreal_: its like a search and output deb list. then import your deb list to your apt install
01:51 PM _unreal_: follow?
01:51 PM lambda77: could it be that the version on the debian arichive/repo and the 64-bit debian package on the website are a bit broken concerning dependencies?
01:51 PM lambda77: yes, I do follow
01:53 PM _unreal_: I'm not an ace AT ALL when it comes to linux, I just know how to dig my way out with a little google help
01:54 PM _unreal_: I remember I was building once and it was asking for c++ stuff and it just couldnt find it. so I said FUCK IT and installed EVERYTHING in the c++ archive. sure enough what I was building built after that
01:57 PM lambda77: but don't you also use travis and build linuxcnc there regularly?
02:02 PM _unreal_: no
02:02 PM _unreal_: I dont anyways
02:02 PM _unreal_: heh my daughter is eyeballing me becuase lunch isnt ready yet
02:02 PM _unreal_: feed me feed me
02:16 PM * elmo40 passes Canadian doughnuts to _unreal_
03:11 PM Tom_L: lambda77, you could run RTAI
03:11 PM Tom_L: unless you need preempt-rt
03:12 PM lambda77: Tom_L: I'm currently compiling a preempt-rt kernel
03:12 PM lambda77: I kinda need that one, but that will probably not fix my dependency problems
03:13 PM Tom_L: that could be why they stopped using ubuntu...
03:14 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/index.html
03:14 PM Tom_L: i thought jt might have one for ubuntu but i guess not
03:18 PM lambda77: Tom_L: thanks a lot! that website has a guide for Lubuntu Preemtive and linuxcnc
03:18 PM Tom_L: ahh ok
03:18 PM Tom_L: i must have overlooked it
03:19 PM lambda77: even for 18.04 and 19.04!
04:24 PM Deejay: gn8
04:35 PM _unreal_: lambda77, is it building for you?
04:35 PM _unreal_: interesting reply
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/mcmaster-electron-microscopy-casagrande-1.5401274
04:42 PM XXCoder: nice
04:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RuJ_opFriM
04:46 PM _unreal_: FINALLY xwife responded
05:20 PM _unreal_: well off for the 3hour tour
05:58 PM XXCoder: JT-Shop: both laser and rpi4 is at kent now lol
05:58 PM XXCoder: soon
05:59 PM XXCoder: laser toy tracking says thursday but I think it will be tues.
07:32 PM skunkworks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZU_gNnZNE&feature=youtu.be
07:42 PM Tom_L: gettin a little fancy there
07:43 PM skunkworks: I'm all for the fancy
07:47 PM Tom_L: https://www.foxnews.com/auto/massive-car-pileup-virginia-injuries
08:02 PM jymmmm: Tom_L OUCH
08:38 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest61556
08:52 PM elmo40: snow? pileups? go figure...
09:10 PM _unreal_: whats snow?
09:10 PM * _unreal_ smiles with devels grin as he enjoys his tropics
09:13 PM elmo40: you keep drinking your damn coconut milk...
09:14 PM _unreal_: cheers
09:16 PM beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/gnsDVZr.jpg
09:16 PM _unreal_: ARG.. these counter sunk blocks take extra time
09:17 PM _unreal_: 3d printed?
09:18 PM beachbumpete1: yeah
09:18 PM beachbumpete1: got the first one done yesterday gotta print two more halves for the other speaker
09:21 PM elmo40: beachbumpete1, about damn time!
09:21 PM elmo40: LoL
09:21 PM beachbumpete1: yeah man it has been
09:21 PM beachbumpete1: I had to pause the printe several times the first time around tho
09:22 PM elmo40: you have a COREXY.
09:22 PM beachbumpete1: I am quite pleased with them
09:22 PM elmo40: burn that thing real fast
09:22 PM beachbumpete1: I know right
09:22 PM beachbumpete1: it actually goes pretty fast I just screwed up the settings
09:22 PM beachbumpete1: I also realized that I could have printed with a thicker layer height than .2 as well as less infill
09:23 PM elmo40: and wall count
09:23 PM elmo40: and infill type
09:23 PM elmo40: lines with connecting (if you are using cura) is like adding a second wall.
09:23 PM beachbumpete1: first time I used triangular
09:23 PM beachbumpete1: this time I used cubic
09:23 PM beachbumpete1: lines with connecting?
09:24 PM elmo40: if you use cura.
09:24 PM beachbumpete1: just started a cool new print tonight
09:24 PM _unreal_: beachbumpete1, use cubic if you can. MUCH stronger then triangular
09:24 PM elmo40: the option to 'connect infill lines' will show when you select Lines
09:24 PM elmo40: 'much' stronger?
09:25 PM elmo40: meh
09:25 PM elmo40: it is a speaker box. don't need strength
09:26 PM _unreal_: god I love these bits
09:26 PM beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/yMTJg2e.jpg
09:26 PM beachbumpete1: I need to check that setting I guess
09:26 PM _unreal_: these are amazing https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078S3S956/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
09:28 PM elmo40: nice cutter
09:28 PM elmo40: if you use lines and connect infill you can remove one wall count.
09:28 PM _unreal_: those and these, but I use the up cutters 10x more often https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078MJCZFK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
09:29 PM elmo40: but for a speaker housing i'd say go thick and dense. you do not need it to flex or rattle
09:29 PM beachbumpete1: Its surprisingly strong feeling. It hardly flexes at all and it is still two pieces.
09:30 PM beachbumpete1: I am right now printing a Cinewhoop frame. Can't wait to build this thing and fly it.
09:30 PM _unreal_: heh beachbumpete1 I'm milling square blocks as feet for my new cnc
09:30 PM _unreal_: I need the height
09:30 PM beachbumpete1: sweet what kind of machine are you building?
09:32 PM _unreal_: I need to post a new photo with the rest of the X frame but this will give you an idea https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cZ_rTRuKh85aVzAOJW3WQTf6sAHK0dZi
09:32 PM _unreal_: white one I'm building for my daughter
09:34 PM _unreal_: BLAAA counter sinking with a 1/8 bit
09:34 PM _unreal_: is it done yet
09:34 PM beachbumpete1: is what done yet?
09:35 PM _unreal_: I'm milling
09:35 PM _unreal_: 200mm/min
09:35 PM _unreal_: rapids 600
09:35 PM beachbumpete1: so is it a cnc router or something?
09:36 PM _unreal_: yes
09:36 PM beachbumpete1: nice
09:36 PM _unreal_: My baby https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EfNv_J2UQjn2qWICo-6dBa0aEeP82RDu
09:37 PM beachbumpete1: We have a 5x12 CR Onsrud at work I run all the time. I am really enjoying the whole CNC wood thing
09:37 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1I8y9E8dKzZPAV3djz3p3vfOGrDstoA1z
09:37 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Jhdu2UXy-NDLAabpD3d6cB-wlT9qazFm
09:37 PM _unreal_: My machine is VERY hand made
09:38 PM beachbumpete1: nothing wrong with that
09:38 PM _unreal_: works damn good
09:38 PM beachbumpete1: I started with a home retrofitted RF45 CNC conversion
09:38 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EzVANFGFA96IZYhtiRTWMElxfJVwtkb5
09:38 PM beachbumpete1: I would not mind having a 4x4 CNC router for my shop
09:39 PM _unreal_: My own custom bearings btw that photo you can see where I wore out a set
09:39 PM _unreal_: especially if you zoom in
09:39 PM beachbumpete1: been having so much fun with the TronXY I am considering getting another FDM machine or possibly building a super Tronxy
09:40 PM _unreal_: ahh printer
09:42 PM beachbumpete1: yeah I never honestly thought I would get into them
09:42 PM beachbumpete1: I have a CNC VMC in the garage
09:42 PM beachbumpete1: but it is surprising how many cool things people are making on them
09:45 PM _unreal_: That was a weird sound. the harmonics of the motors made a 1950's UFO like sound effect....
10:24 PM XXCoder: skunkworks: nice
10:26 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: there is gcodes made not to make parts but to make music
10:34 PM _unreal_: ya I've never played with any of that stuff
10:34 PM _unreal_: god damn I'm tired
10:35 PM _unreal_: i HATE that fucking drive
10:35 PM _unreal_: god I cant wait till my daughter is 18 and I never EVER have to deal with the bitch again
10:35 PM _unreal_: bitch=xwife
10:43 PM XXCoder: ok
10:46 PM fjungclaus1 is now known as fjungclaus