#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 15 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:02 AM gloops: painting signs from 5am on a sunday lol https://ibb.co/1vm09SG
02:07 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/5nL5W2d
02:18 AM Deejay: moin
04:00 AM net|: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Humanoid-Biped-Educational-Robot-Kit-Servo-Bracket-Ball-Bearing-Black-17DOF-PJK/173927093553
04:20 AM XXCoder: what about it?
04:31 AM gloops: im thinking of building another router, a small one, maybe 800x400 work area, after xmas
04:31 AM XXCoder: cool
04:32 AM gloops: most work my router is doing is smaller than that, a small one i can completely enclose to stop noise, also keep it clean with extraction, free the bigger one up to do other stuff
04:33 AM gloops: tried and tested formula - chinese steppers and parport, chinese screws heh
04:34 AM XXCoder: :)
06:26 AM XXCoder: linuxcnc PNP test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb4kSznglo0
06:26 AM XXCoder: not mine
06:51 AM Tom_L: morning
06:52 AM Tom_L: 28F, Lo 22
06:53 AM Tom_L: what's this white crap on the ground?
06:54 AM XXCoder: someones wet dream? ;)
07:05 AM p0g0: If it is really crap,that's urea, the icing on a cloacal cake.
08:07 AM jymmmm: Good morning folks!
09:07 AM _unreal_: milling aluminum with my cnc for the first time
09:07 AM _unreal_: seems to be handling it ok
09:08 AM jthornton: 6 days until the winter solstice
09:08 AM _unreal_: already?
09:08 AM _unreal_: hehe
09:09 AM jthornton: unless you live in the southern hemisphere... then you have a ways to go
09:11 AM _unreal_: hum
09:11 AM _unreal_: ya I'm getting defelection
09:12 AM _unreal_: running the cycle again
09:14 AM _unreal_: I'm thinking about taking my daughter to the beach
09:15 AM _unreal_: http://bocasurfcam.com/
09:18 AM _unreal_: I was starting to think I lost steps I think the part moved
09:24 AM _unreal_: and its quiet
09:25 AM _unreal_: sigh
09:38 AM jymmmm: IF you work with plastics.... PLASTICS CHEMICAL RESISTANCE CHART https://www.plasticsintl.com/chemical-resistance-chart
09:40 AM p0g0: jymmmm, I've been working with O3 lately, finding pumps and piping for that has been a learning exercise.
09:40 AM jymmmm: O3 ???
09:40 AM jymmmm: Olifin? Delrin?
09:40 AM p0g0: Ozone, corrosive as heck
09:41 AM p0g0: eats the double carbon bond in rubber and friends
09:41 AM jymmmm: p0g0: ^^^^^^^^^^
09:41 AM jymmmm: Don't use rubber? lol
09:41 AM p0g0: so, getting elastic diaphram type pumps that don't die in a month or two is harder than it sounds.
09:42 AM p0g0: vitran
09:42 AM SpeedEvil: stainless steel is elastic
09:43 AM tiwake: jymmmm: nice chart, though I don't understand the concentration+weight
09:43 AM jymmmm: p0g0: Well, that chart lists ozone
09:43 AM jymmmm: tiwake: read the time, it talks about it
09:43 AM p0g0: jymmmm, yes it does
09:43 AM jymmmm: top*
09:43 AM tiwake: oh, its not additive then
09:44 AM tiwake: it should read OR
09:44 AM tiwake: instead of +
09:44 AM tiwake: heh
09:44 AM SpeedEvil: Also, be carefuyl about charts. 'does not dissapear in a beaker' is different from 'mechanical properties under stress unaffected and does not undergo chemical based stress fractures or ...
09:45 AM jymmmm: Nice, they list vaseline
09:46 AM p0g0: eh, viton, sorry
09:47 AM p0g0: a fluoroelastomer
09:47 AM p0g0: yeah, grease is a decent barrier to ozonz
09:48 AM tiwake: how?
09:48 AM p0g0: The thing I do is destroy the O3 with UV, but I have to conduct the O3 around some so I need the pumps and plumbing
09:48 AM tiwake: ozone is the most reactive oxidizer in existence
09:48 AM p0g0: no
09:48 AM p0g0: fluorine
09:49 AM tiwake: well no, fluorine is
09:49 AM tiwake: yeah
09:49 AM p0g0: UV activated O3 is close tho
09:49 AM tiwake: ozone is second to that
09:49 AM p0g0: no,
09:49 AM p0g0: monatomic O
09:49 AM p0g0: that is better, and that is what you get when you nail O3 with the right UV
09:50 AM tiwake: if you can get it to stay that way... heh
09:50 AM p0g0: H2O2 has a half-life of about 20 minutes,iirc, but the liberation of that O can be instantaneous
09:50 AM tiwake: a single o would rather be buddies with their friends
09:50 AM p0g0: promiscuous carbon dating in my case
09:50 AM tiwake: hydrogen peroxide is stable...
09:50 AM p0g0: no, it has a half life
09:51 AM p0g0: in air/water deals
09:51 AM p0g0: part of why you try to never contaminate your wee bottle of it at home
09:51 AM tiwake: as long as light does not hit it, and there are no contaminants, it is stable
09:51 AM p0g0: yes
09:51 AM p0g0: why it keeps at the pharmacy in the light tight bottles
09:53 AM p0g0: But, if you want to clear TOC and PFAS from water, O3 then UV is the tool of choice in many cases- there are returns to scale for muni systems and such that do better, and some carbon loads too, but in my case, it Really Works Well.
09:53 AM tiwake: last I knew the only place in america 80% or better was manufactured is in texas
09:54 AM p0g0: ah, yeah, i have no need for concentration, I just need enough to balance out C in drinking water
09:54 AM p0g0: so, small stuff
09:54 AM tiwake: I want it for rocket engine oxidizer :3
09:55 AM tiwake: it works for the russians
09:55 AM p0g0: ah well, lurk around Houston or Florida or such, maybe you can get on with someone's rocket company.
09:56 AM tiwake: I've already made plenty of parts for rocket systems, made a few small ones myself :-x
09:57 AM p0g0: I did Estes rockets decades back... nothing since puberty or so tho.
09:57 AM tiwake: I've had several aerospace engineers for clients
09:57 AM tiwake: yeah I got bored of those when I was 14... heh
09:58 AM p0g0: I think those are illegal now, the Estes engines- that's some vague recollection from years back.
09:58 AM tiwake: neh
09:59 AM tiwake: can still buy them in stores
09:59 AM p0g0: yeah, I just looked.
10:22 AM jymmmm: p0g0: are you looking for seals / orings?
10:24 AM jymmmm: Great place for orings, any material, any size... https://www.aceseal.com/
10:34 AM jymmmm: p0g0: ^^^^^^^
10:55 AM p0g0: I found what I needed so far re: O-rings, viton stuff. I've an air pump advertised as O3 enamored, but my sense of the company has me wondering, 5 out of 6 efforts to contact them fail- they just ignore their small clients it seems.
11:00 AM jymmmm: p0g0: lovely.... NOT!
11:04 AM p0g0: Yeah. But I may manage to retrofit a more common Vivosun brand air pump- the O-rings failed, but the diaphrams and valves seem tolerant. That would be good, as they have a flow CFM adjustment. The nifty thing about about hitting O3 with UV it that it nails >99% of it on one (decent flux) illumination pass, so you don't need to manage the construction of O3 to match your TOC loads, you just waste energy and make O2 & water.
11:05 AM p0g0: That is, you don't dump O3 into the air, it has become CO2, O2, & H20
11:05 AM gloops: doing a lot of little signs atm, think ill knock another smaller router up after xmas just for them
11:06 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/1vm09SG
11:06 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/5nL5W2d
11:06 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/4tdLnqf
11:24 AM Tom_L: nice one gloops
11:25 AM Tom_L: what do you use to generate the fonts?
11:26 AM gloops: ive got vectric aspire - the fonts themselves just download off the web
11:27 AM gloops: once you designed a sign shape with the toolpaths to cut it out, edge mouldings etc, all you have to do to personalise it is open that file and change the text, few clicks aligning or curving - done, its literally a minutes job
11:28 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:28 AM Tom_L: are you using a router bit on the edge or endmills with several passes?
11:29 AM gloops: the edge on those ones in the photos is done on spindle moulder, some i just chamfer with a v bit or put a roundover bit round it
11:30 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:31 AM gloops: could do with a small router for this, fully enclosed, doesnt need to be fast or anything, just frees my other router up
11:42 AM Deejay: re
11:44 AM _unreal_: gloops, are the signs for you or for a client?
11:45 AM gloops: selling them online
11:45 AM _unreal_: whats your turn over?
11:46 AM gloops: not that much lol, its not my full time job...yet
11:46 AM _unreal_: 2-4 a month? 30?
11:46 AM gloops: number of signs or £1000s?
11:46 AM _unreal_: signs
11:46 AM gloops: 20 a week of these
11:47 AM _unreal_: not bad
11:47 AM _unreal_: 10-20 quid/
11:47 AM _unreal_: ?
11:47 AM _unreal_: each?
11:48 AM gloops: varies, i started these cheapo ones with a basic idea of £10 profit each minimum, but put the prices up pretty quick
11:48 AM _unreal_: ya rough and finish products = huge $ difference
11:49 AM _unreal_: I'm dieing to get my big machine going
11:49 AM _unreal_: still waiting on parts
11:49 AM _unreal_: the onlything really holding me up right now is the @#$%#$@%@3 Tnuts
11:49 AM gloops: i dont want the messing about with fancy stuff tbh, id rather have quick simple stuff that sells
11:50 AM _unreal_: 8020 style T nuts with m4 thread
11:50 AM gloops: dealing with picky clients, pain the ass sanding and finishing - im not into that
11:50 AM gloops: make some
11:50 AM _unreal_: the moment I get them I can start putting the damn Y frame together. but I cant even design anything
11:51 AM _unreal_: I thought about it but decided it would take to much time
11:51 AM _unreal_: AND I'd have to do them in steel
11:51 AM _unreal_: small and fine thread in steel to me equals :P
11:52 AM _unreal_: besides I need self aligning
11:52 AM Tom_L: gloops, cu$$tom
11:52 AM gloops: hmm, i dunno, drill and tap some flat bar and stick m4 threaded rod into it
11:53 AM gloops: Tom_L youre right but im probably better walking before i run heh
11:53 AM _unreal_: gloops, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1D35kqiMnAK0GH_AaEDkLZkmSJAxKPVKH https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DGSfzLhsRSR3ifz4o1mIDvj3MzQsHgmc
11:53 AM Tom_L: the mrs has been trying to get me to do some wood stuff
11:54 AM _unreal_: gloops, I'm not a fan of tapping fine thread in steel
11:54 AM _unreal_: and I dont own a tri tap set for m4's
11:54 AM _unreal_: nor am I going to buy some
11:54 AM gloops: just have to wait for the slow boat then
11:54 AM _unreal_: yep
11:54 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/toybox.jpg
11:54 AM Tom_L: stuff like that
11:55 AM _unreal_: gloops, I assume my photos are "complex" ;)
11:55 AM gloops: theres a bloke i see at the wood place who sells similar things as fast as he can make them Tom_L he used those sheets of pine panelling, pine lats glued together
11:56 AM gloops: _unreal_ thats parts off a boat isnt it?
11:56 AM Tom_L: yeah
11:56 AM _unreal_: wellya
11:56 AM _unreal_: ya
11:56 AM _unreal_: that was a fuel valve I designed for a boat
11:56 AM _unreal_: put the companies logo on it as well
11:57 AM Tom_L: gloops, not quite ready to quit my day job just for that
11:57 AM _unreal_: if I can ever get this new home machine going I may quit my day job
11:57 AM _unreal_: hehe
11:57 AM _unreal_: ... naaaa I get to much great free stuff from the marina
11:58 AM gloops: theres money to be made in smale scale woodworking, easy to get bogged down with a load of hand work and finishing though
11:59 AM gloops: well if youre as good with cnc machines as you are with boats it should be a decent machine _unreal_
12:16 PM gloops: whats the specs for the new machine _unreal_?
01:07 PM _unreal_: gloops, hi sorry had to go finish something for my neigbors
01:08 PM _unreal_: gloops, work area assume to be 18x32 Z to be determined 4-10" https://drive.google.com/open?id=1adQweaGjSkkFvFvusslkvgVxxnET7f9l
01:09 PM _unreal_: the work bed boards before cutting down a little was 2'x4'
01:10 PM _unreal_: well hate to run but I'm taking my daughter to be beach
01:10 PM _unreal_: ;) sucks living in the tropics
01:10 PM _unreal_: http://bocasurfcam.com/
01:11 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20191215_124239.jpg
01:11 PM _unreal_: skunkworks, ?
01:11 PM _unreal_: OH mesa 7i92
01:12 PM Tom_L: sam, what you up to today?
01:12 PM skunkworks: making space
01:12 PM skunkworks: ;)
01:14 PM Tom_L: little green machine?
01:14 PM skunkworks: yes
01:17 PM Tom_L: are you running any sserial off that or is the 7i92 enough io?
01:19 PM skunkworks: I am running smart serial to the stmbl drive
01:23 PM skunkworks: although I still have some I/O left
01:23 PM skunkworks: on the stmbl drive and the mesa card
01:23 PM skunkworks: enough to run a 4th/5th axis
01:23 PM skunkworks: that is mainly why I moved stuff - so I had enough room to put another drive
01:34 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20191215_131330.jpg
01:44 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: Aren't those ZIP Drive cables great :)
02:06 PM skunkworks: they are.. I have a bunch that I use for varios things
02:06 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: A few?! How many zip drives did you have?! lol
02:09 PM skunkworks: we had quite a few - for a while that is what we used to send art to the customer...
02:12 PM skunkworks: drives are long gone - but the cables remain
02:13 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: Well, that's the disks, not the drives :)
02:13 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: Actually, I think I still have a USB ZIP DRIVE and disks.
02:14 PM jymmmm: Mostly for achival/data transfer purposes.
02:14 PM skunkworks: I think I have one - maybe
02:15 PM jymmmm: They gave a LIFETIME guarntee in the disks, I should fuck with them and make a claim :)
02:24 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: You're a jerk!!!! Now, I can't find it, and it's gonna kill me until I do!
02:25 PM jdh: I have a pport zip drive somewhere. 15 or so disks
02:26 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: and it's 32F 90% so I'm gonna be freezing my ass off going thru everything till I do find it.
02:26 PM jymmmm: jdh: I know I got rid of all pp/scsi ones, only kept (I believe) the USB one.
02:27 PM jdh: they were around long enough for usb?
02:27 PM jymmmm: Yeah, for MAcs
02:29 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: AND the worse of all, it might not even exist anymore!!! lmao
02:37 PM skunkworks: sorry... (not really....)
02:38 PM jymmmm: skunkworks: hahahaha :D
03:10 PM JT-Shop: anyone have a tap disintegrator they can email me
03:34 PM Tom_L: trying to tap bubblegum now?
03:37 PM Deejay: gn8
03:51 PM Elmo40: JT-Shop, did you break a tap?
03:53 PM XXCoder: jymmmm: did you ever get click of death?
03:54 PM XXCoder: welcome
03:55 PM JT-Shop: yea
03:56 PM XXCoder: jt you know of any good coating to protect plastic from fingerprints? lol
03:57 PM JT-Shop: sperm whale oil
03:58 PM XXCoder: lol
04:00 PM XXCoder: its gaming android handheld, man its plastic is very fingerprint-magnetic heh
04:00 PM XXCoder: marks on it as soon as I hold it
04:02 PM miss0r: 'evening
04:02 PM miss0r: I just had myself a jolly good time in the wind and rain removing the brake drums and washing out mud.. Oh joy :)
04:02 PM XXCoder: fun
04:02 PM miss0r: I'll just go ahead and categorise that as a 'meh'
04:03 PM miss0r: and doing so discovered that both the front wheel bearings had play in'em.. so I had to tighten that as well.. Still in the pouring rain
04:03 PM JT-Shop: my phone is the same way XXCoder
04:03 PM JT-Shop: miss0r, you're having too much fun
04:04 PM XXCoder: glossy plastic I bet
04:04 PM miss0r: JT-Shop: I KNOW! :D
04:04 PM XXCoder: its worse when its matte lol
04:04 PM * JT-Shop wonders why he is working on Sunday evening...
04:04 PM miss0r: If any of you are looking at getting a new phone I can seriously recommend the CAT S61
04:05 PM miss0r: I've had it for just over a year now. and it has been to hell and back. Still working flawlessly
04:05 PM JT-Shop: never heard of that one
04:06 PM XXCoder: termal included interesting
04:06 PM miss0r: Indeed, XXCoder - that is the reason I bought the S60.. but it has some metal mesh on it and that didn't last..
04:06 PM miss0r: So I had to get the S61 - which is realy nice
04:07 PM miss0r: JT-Shop: I have a tap disintegrator... Interrested? :P
04:07 PM XXCoder: curious what price it was
04:07 PM miss0r: XXCoder: The tap disintigrator or the cat s61? :)
04:08 PM XXCoder: latter lol
04:08 PM XXCoder: always wanted one to check around house for leaks etc
04:08 PM miss0r: hehe.. I payed ~900eur for it
04:08 PM Rab: XXCoder, the magic term is "oleophobic". I don't know if there's a true oleophobic coating you can apply aftermarket, but you could probably destroy any resale value with this snake oil: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SGXW1TB
04:08 PM XXCoder: hmm yeah thats around typical
04:08 PM miss0r: its a bit on the expensive side, but it works
04:08 PM XXCoder: thanks
04:09 PM XXCoder: hmm thats for screen im talking about case plastic
04:10 PM Rab: Right, but it might work for case plastic as well.
04:10 PM XXCoder: i suppose but it says reapply each 3 months. meh
04:11 PM Rab: It could just be clear nail polish. Skeptical of that 10H claim.
04:13 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, where did you get the single point thread mills?
04:13 PM XXCoder: you mean single flute?
04:15 PM _unreal_: well that was fun
04:15 PM _unreal_: dont know if any of you guys saw me on the beach looking at that webcam link I posted
04:18 PM JT-Shop: single something lol
04:24 PM XXCoder: lol
04:36 PM JT-Shop: miss0r, only if you can email it to me lol
04:37 PM jymmmm: XXCoder: On the zip drives? Yep, had a bunch of drives because of that
04:38 PM XXCoder: its quite funny that its basically hardware virus, you can spread it using broken or "infected" disks
04:38 PM XXCoder: it breaks disks in way that it will break drives that will breaks disks in same on, passing it on
04:41 PM jymmmm: XXCoder: Snake oil in BULK, starting at $0.88 =) https://nanoage.en.alibaba.com/product/62357014137-807160420/
04:41 PM XXCoder: LOL
04:42 PM jymmmm: or https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/All-Mobile-Phone-Nano-Water-Liquid_62247502056.html
04:42 PM XXCoder: few decades earlier they'd call it radium coating
04:42 PM XXCoder: or titanium coating
04:43 PM jymmmm: Meh, if I can't get a MSDS/SDS forget it
04:45 PM XXCoder: some stuff just turn fad
04:45 PM jymmmm: XXCoder: Is water and wax nano or micro or pico??
04:45 PM XXCoder: laser, titanium, radium
04:45 PM _unreal_: randomium
04:49 PM jymmmm: Tossing a piece of 2x3 angle in the wood stove has done WONDERS!!! https://i.imgur.com/Yf5LXi9.jpg
04:50 PM jymmmm: JT-Shop: ^^^^^
04:52 PM JT-Shop: not sure what I'm looking at or what wonders it has done
04:56 PM XXCoder: whoa. its ash coated
04:56 PM Tom_L: hah
04:57 PM JT-Shop: no wonder my paypal account looked so screwed up in slowbooks I've not reconciled in 3 months lol
05:05 PM jymmmm: JT-Shop: It allows you to lean wood/tinder on it and let it breath
05:06 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, where did you get the thread mills from?
05:07 PM jymmmm: This works INSTANTLY for burns, just found out the hard way... https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D7C46KI/
05:08 PM jymmmm: It has 2% lidocane in it
05:09 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk made me think of.
05:10 PM SpeedEvil: 'Apparently I can't monetize this video because Youtube doesn't like the word "lidocaine.
05:20 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, https://onlinecarbide.com/sipithmi.html
05:20 PM jymmmm: SpeedEvil: bastards!
05:22 PM jymmmm: BTW, those burn gel packets contain far more than you might think you would need surprisingly, highly recommend having around
05:22 PM jthornton: thanks Tom
05:22 PM Tom_L: np
05:22 PM XXCoder: oh thats different
05:23 PM XXCoder: thread mill nice
05:28 PM jthornton: my BP can do thread milling on the fly
05:32 PM jthornton: Tom_L, which ones did you get?
05:34 PM jthornton: looks like for smaller threads the #4, #8 and 1/4 fill the bill
05:40 PM Tom_L: i got from #10 up thru 3/4
05:40 PM Tom_L: i've got taps for the smaller ones
05:41 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't tap anything below #4 anyway
05:41 PM jthornton: I've got taps for almost everything lol but sometimes thread milling might be better
05:41 PM jthornton: I do some M3 a lot and they are a pia
05:42 PM XXCoder: milling is LOT more repeatable too
05:42 PM Tom_L: once you get the fit it's repeatable
05:42 PM XXCoder: ones at work is almost never thread milling too bad
05:42 PM Tom_L: XXCoder too slow for production
05:43 PM XXCoder: yeah though sometimes its just better to mill due to tool life
05:43 PM XXCoder: we ran thousands of certain part and it has 2 thread mills. only one tool are tap type, and that one breaks in part once a while
05:44 PM Tom_L: threadmills don't have much load on the cutter
05:45 PM XXCoder: watching myfordboy make new waste oil burner. cool
05:45 PM Tom_L: don't tell jymmmm about it!
05:45 PM XXCoder: looks much nicer with some stuff 3d printed, some solders
05:45 PM XXCoder: lol
05:46 PM Tom_L: i bet it's icy in the morning here
05:46 PM XXCoder: lol reveal of reverse engineered leaf blower air blower. I guess he wants to replace that leaf blower
05:48 PM jthornton: XXCoder, link
05:49 PM XXCoder: dont tell jymm! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrk0lMhUcYA heh
05:53 PM jthornton: hmm online carbide uses paypal but won't let me just pay it wants me to add a card... no
05:55 PM XXCoder: geez
05:55 PM _unreal_: paypal IS the card
05:55 PM _unreal_: OH pay pal its self
05:55 PM _unreal_: ya thats normal
05:55 PM jthornton: yea sorted that crap out had to log out
05:55 PM _unreal_: you need to have ether a card on file or a bank account on file
05:56 PM jthornton: no you can checkout without that
05:56 PM XXCoder: no, paypal always pushes for paypay card
05:56 PM XXCoder: paypal
05:56 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, I'm saying paypal wants a source to draw from
05:56 PM jymmmm: XXCoder: But it should be optional
05:57 PM jthornton: as a guest you can just use a card and not add it to your paypal account
05:57 PM jymmmm: just in REALLY tiny print/link
05:57 PM XXCoder: like jt said :)
05:57 PM jymmmm: Yeah, what jthornton said
05:58 PM jymmmm: Tom_L Nah, no waste oil to burn, but have 5 yard trucks full of wood chips available for free
05:59 PM _unreal_: ve7it, no shipping issues so far :)
05:59 PM jymmmm: Tom_L Just waiting for my $11 welder to (NOT) arrive
05:59 PM _unreal_: jymmmm, $11 welder?
06:00 PM Tom_L: jymmmm, i figured you'd be more about the wood burners
06:00 PM _unreal_: got link?
06:00 PM XXCoder: can always make burnable gas ouit of those
06:00 PM _unreal_: I'm interested in this welder thing?
06:00 PM jymmmm: Tom_L wod gasifier you mean?
06:01 PM Tom_L: wood anything with all the trees you got
06:01 PM XXCoder: yeah always forgot that word
06:01 PM _unreal_: jymmmm, ?
06:02 PM Tom_L: _unreal_ you don't need heat... you're in Fl
06:02 PM _unreal_: the wlder
06:02 PM jymmmm: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MTS-205-Amp-MIG-Wire-Feed-Welder-Flux-Cored-Wire-TIG-Stick-Arc-DC-Combo-Welding/401995868880
06:02 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, it can get down into the 50/40s
06:02 PM XXCoder: yeah just move metal out it'll melt ;)
06:03 PM jymmmm: Tom_L Don't have trees, they burned up in the 150,000 acre fire, well sorta
06:03 PM XXCoder: yeah that feedback just make me laugh. just no way its real
06:03 PM Tom_L: flux core is shite to weld with
06:04 PM _unreal_: jymmmm, waaaaaa?
06:04 PM _unreal_: and free shipping
06:04 PM XXCoder: unreal honesly its likely either nothing or brick in box
06:04 PM _unreal_: I'm tempted to buy the brick
06:04 PM _unreal_: hehe
06:05 PM XXCoder: lol
06:05 PM _unreal_: hell chines roof ceramic tiles are worth more then $15 alone
06:05 PM _unreal_: each
06:06 PM _unreal_: well theres a deal breaker Returns:
06:06 PM _unreal_: Seller does not accept returns
06:06 PM _unreal_: lol
06:06 PM XXCoder: can always start a garage with brick
06:12 PM _unreal_: fuck it I just ordered one
06:12 PM _unreal_: whats $15
06:13 PM XXCoder: lol
06:13 PM XXCoder: if its a brick you owe me a welder ;)
06:13 PM XXCoder: if you get a welder ill ship you a brick
06:13 PM _unreal_: I'm be supprised if it was anything
06:14 PM _unreal_: see's to good to be true thats part of the rason why I said sure F it why not.... shipping alone should SHOULD be at least $15 even for the dirt slowest
06:15 PM XXCoder: yeah any couple of tools or parts on front of welder would easily sumn to 15
06:15 PM _unreal_: so how the person is making any money off it is questionable. also the comments/rattings are interesting they are alllll for a dragon fly pendent
06:15 PM _unreal_: at $5 and all have the same ebay number
06:15 PM XXCoder: yeah then nothing 6 months
06:15 PM XXCoder: theres $22 with same pattern
06:16 PM _unreal_: its all a pattern
06:16 PM XXCoder: except guy remembered to delete item,
06:16 PM _unreal_: I would assume there is a "KNOWN" automated or something like that BUYERS scheme for bumping feed back
06:17 PM XXCoder: yeah
06:17 PM XXCoder: i bet all those buys only from certain sellers
06:18 PM _unreal_: so going to be interesting... my fathers in the hospital
06:18 PM _unreal_: he's been dealing with a bowels issue for likely 18 months now
06:18 PM _unreal_: I've said to him a few times he should go to the DOC and get checked out. NO NO NO its something I ate...
06:19 PM XXCoder: some heart attacks start with gut pain
06:19 PM _unreal_: finally was in to much pain and issues he relented and went to the doc. have not gotten any updates other then likely some kind of a cancer
06:20 PM _unreal_: I mean he's lost like 80 lbs
06:20 PM XXCoder: big c allright
06:20 PM XXCoder: my mom had brain cancer she lost weight quite fast
06:21 PM _unreal_: so we'll see
06:21 PM _unreal_: and whats even more effed up
06:21 PM _unreal_: My step mother his now Xwife after 40 years decided to leave
06:21 PM _unreal_: about 11 months ago
06:22 PM _unreal_: he has multi houses. house in mass. house in florida one down in the Caribbean etc....
06:22 PM _unreal_: and he travels with his work.
06:23 PM _unreal_: my sister lives in one of the houses I live in this one. and he's endlessly crashing at his different homes
06:24 PM _unreal_: so I also have bunch of siblings. the house in MASS was his first home. he and my mother divorced in the divorce that house is titled to me... hehe
06:24 PM _unreal_: I LIVE in this house in FL.
06:26 PM _unreal_: so if he dies arg.... everything has been "will" wise really screwed up...
06:26 PM _unreal_: on top of that my I have 4 siblings. and they have all kind of "abandoned him" family wise.
06:27 PM _unreal_: soo... I dont know whats in store.
06:27 PM XXCoder: hopefully he left a clear will, because thays recipe of ending family basically
06:28 PM _unreal_: the MASS house he was telling me he's getting ENDLESS million dollar offers for the home.
06:29 PM _unreal_: and he's been telling them to go SHOVE it
06:30 PM _unreal_: the the house thats like 1000 miles south of here I'd LOVE to own. I'd kick the current tenents out in a heart beat and turn it into an AIRBNB
06:31 PM _unreal_: its solid cinder block, its 300' above sea level. its in the TRUE tropics
06:31 PM _unreal_: good lord I could see $2-3.5k a week easy
06:33 PM _unreal_: thats almost $200k a year
06:41 PM _unreal_: wow its quiet
06:42 PM infornography: lurking
06:46 PM _unreal_: !@#$!@#$ you broke the silence
06:46 PM CaptHindsight: BOO!
06:52 PM * infornography lurks loudly
07:04 PM _unreal_: single parenting is such a pain in the ass
07:04 PM _unreal_: all I want to do is finish a project and my daughter is endlessly dadding me
07:04 PM Tom_L: you rather have the mrs back?
07:04 PM XXCoder: hmm who linked to dangerous UV light blub?
07:05 PM XXCoder: i remember someone linking to a review of that
07:05 PM XXCoder: found it anyway lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m0TQjBRcFo
07:09 PM CaptHindsight: UVC refers to ultraviolet light with wavelengths between 200 – 280 nanometers (nm) 21W
08:08 PM ziper: Are PID controls inherently symmetric? that is, if your error is 5, will the process have exactly the inverse response as if the error was -5?
08:20 PM Tom_L: jymmmm, get one of these to go with your welder: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Upgraded-40W-USB-CO2-Laser-Engraver-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Cutter-300x200mm/401995852220
08:21 PM XXCoder: exactly same feedback pattern lol
08:22 PM Tom_L: broken chinglish?
08:25 PM jymmmm: Tom_L Alriedt have a CO2 laser, need a YaG laser
08:26 PM XXCoder: tom nah hundreds of feedback, all 6 months old by anon 0-5 feedback users
08:26 PM XXCoder: mostly theres some larger ones
08:29 PM _unreal_: jymmmm, how long ago did you order that welder?
08:30 PM _unreal_: ve7it, are you around?
08:31 PM jymmmm: _unreal_: one day before I got a notice from ebay that the item has been removed and the seller is no longer registered
08:33 PM _unreal_: hum
08:33 PM _unreal_: ?
08:33 PM _unreal_: removed?
08:33 PM _unreal_: then how would I be able to order and if that is the case did you get your money back?
08:33 PM _unreal_: heh
08:34 PM XXCoder: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Upgraded-40W-USB-CO2-Laser-Engraver-Engraving-Cutting-Machine-Cutter-300x200mm/383316528582
08:34 PM XXCoder: less scummy but im oretty sure still scam
08:35 PM _unreal_: does have 27 feed backers
08:35 PM XXCoder: heh all bullshit
08:35 PM XXCoder: most of em is towelsm and random stuff afterwards
08:35 PM _unreal_: ?
08:36 PM XXCoder: every order from that seller was towel
08:36 PM XXCoder: then last 5 other stuff
08:36 PM _unreal_: oh
08:36 PM XXCoder: but all by 0 or 1 feedback buyers
08:36 PM _unreal_: heh
08:38 PM _unreal_: hehe
08:38 PM _unreal_: I only ordered that welder because I can part with $15. I'm more interested to see if I'm going to get anything in return
08:39 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, lol I bet jymmmm will get his welder when he gets his power back
08:39 PM _unreal_: ;)
08:39 PM _unreal_: sigh, I guess its time to go bring the surf board and buggy board in
08:41 PM _unreal_: NOOOOO freaking way. these landings are crazy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO1ay0IU4IU
08:43 PM * _unreal_ waits with a grin to see any responces
08:45 PM ve7it: _unreal_, yup... just back from supper
09:04 PM _unreal_: hum
09:04 PM _unreal_: ve7it, ya so so far looks like there are no issues with the package. then again it hasnt left flordia :)
09:04 PM _unreal_: yet
09:04 PM _unreal_: looking at the tracking
09:05 PM ve7it: so its on the move?
09:05 PM _unreal_: check msg
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11:01 PM _unreal_: hum
11:01 PM _unreal_: quite the net split