#linuxcnc Logs

Dec 09 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:07 AM CaptHindsight: ve7it: 4' dish at 12GHz is about a 2 deg beamwidth?
12:12 AM ve7it: sounds possible...
12:33 AM password2: Hi , is only linux cnc ontopic here?
01:10 AM sensille: and cars. cars are ontopic everywhere
01:36 AM password2: i was wondering how i would go about at getting a replacement for an very old cnc mills keypad
01:36 AM password2: do they follow a standard?
02:21 AM Deejay: moin
02:40 AM Loetmichel: *ouch*... just re-assembled 31 HP laserprinter by hammering the side walls in with "karate chops"... now my hand hurts ;)
02:40 AM XXCoder: percussion maintance
02:47 AM Loetmichel: indeed :-)
05:05 AM Tom_L: morning
05:08 AM jthornton: morning
05:08 AM jthornton: 50°F
05:09 AM XXCoder: yo
05:16 AM Tom_L: 31F, Hi 38
07:22 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
07:35 AM elmo40: Loetmichel, long term fix?
08:08 AM Loetmichel: elmo40: for what?
08:32 AM jymmmm: Good morning folks
08:37 AM password2: goooood bye
11:24 AM Loetmichel: *giggle* sometimes i am a wee bit irresponsible. But on the other hand: rainy streets + BMW525i + "DSC off" = loooads of fun on the commute home. Especially in the roundabout. As they say in germany: "Fährste quer siehste mehr!" (Driving sideways you see a lot more!) :-)
11:38 AM Jymmm: lol
11:39 AM gregcnc: are you going to try to keep that BMW alive or are you already looking for the next one?
11:39 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: that thing will not pass the next roadworthy check anyway
11:39 AM gregcnc: yes you said
11:40 AM gregcnc: rust?
11:40 AM Loetmichel: and i am ALWAYS looking for new cars
11:40 AM Loetmichel: nope, broken winshield and welded exhaust, and "blind" headlights
11:40 AM Loetmichel: all three in itself a reason to fail the "TÜV"
11:41 AM gregcnc: not repairable or just moving on?
11:41 AM Loetmichel: and all three expensive enough to fix that every signle one makes a new "beater" cheaper than the repairs
11:42 AM gregcnc: blind head lights?
11:42 AM Loetmichel: new windshield: $900, completely new exhaust including the catalytic converter (thats whats welded to the mainifold): $1800, new headlights: $700
11:43 AM Loetmichel: the "glass" in front of them is scratched/fogged
11:43 AM gregcnc: hazy? automotive glaucoma
11:43 AM Loetmichel: you can polish them but it only works for half a year, been there done that
11:43 AM Loetmichel: yes
11:43 AM Loetmichel: hazy
11:44 AM Loetmichel: i already polished them once, worked for a while, but now they start to get hazy again: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17343&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:44 AM Loetmichel: left_ polished: right: not
12:55 PM Centreline: I have to polish the headlights of my ford galaxy, but theyre under 100e apiece anyway
12:55 PM Centreline: I'm always happy that my landrovers have round glass headlamp units...
12:58 PM Centreline: could you not clear lacquer to protect the softer polished surface though? (mine are 13 years old and have never needed polishing until now)
12:59 PM Centreline: $1800 for a exhaust system... I really love my landrovers after reading that...
01:00 PM SpeedEvil: When it's cheaper to make a CNC pipe bender than...
01:03 PM Centreline: I think that's the price for a complete new chassis for my landrover 90...
01:04 PM Centreline: Sure, its nowhere near as much fun on tarmac. Until it snows...
01:05 PM Centreline: I know someone who has a amg mercedes, and his spares prices make my eyes water too...
01:46 PM Loetmichel: Centreline: BMW. if i buy aftermarket its a lot cheaper. but i cant get an aftermarket catalytic converter that is "allowed"
01:47 PM Centreline: Sprinter parts prices make my eyes water too, 700e for one injector (the one with the pilot sensor in it)
01:47 PM Loetmichel: yeah
01:47 PM Loetmichel: "german engineering"...
01:48 PM Centreline: And it has to go on the Star system for ecu resets (or leave the battery off for a fortnight like I did)
01:48 PM Loetmichel: ... kinda pricey, especially considering i paid 2100 eur for that BMW
01:48 PM Tom_L: and put how much in parts in it so far?
01:48 PM Loetmichel: about 1000
01:49 PM Loetmichel: most expensive part was the new thermostat, belive it or not.
01:49 PM Centreline: My alternator broke on the sprinter and it cost me 700e for a replacement...
01:49 PM Loetmichel: they have a heater in there to trick the cooling system into opening earlier of you put the pedal to the metal, so no "normal" thermostat fits.
01:50 PM Loetmichel: even the (used) rear whishbone was only a 100 eur.
01:50 PM Centreline: its not even the watercooled unit that costs even more, that's just a basic alternator, but I had no choice then... And front wishbones 150e apiece, or I can buy the joints aftermarket for 20e and press them in myself.
01:50 PM Centreline: and it needs replacement joints every year on average...
01:51 PM Loetmichel: because THAT: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17433&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
01:51 PM Tom_L: they can't build parts to last more than a year???
01:51 PM Loetmichel: never seen a crack like that
01:52 PM Centreline: sprinters are renown for front balljoint problems, and older sprinters for rust...
01:52 PM Centreline: Even renault of the period stand up to rust better, and that's not a high bar to beat...
01:53 PM Centreline: but, it will tow a box trailer when fully loaded at 140-150kph... and it drives like a car...
01:53 PM Loetmichel: i know. a friend of mine is car dealer. his standard phrase: "everything but cars with F! (Ford, Fiat, French)"
01:53 PM Centreline: I really miss my old renault master, but it was sloooowwww
01:53 PM Centreline: sometimes I consider getting another, just for the lower maintenance...
01:54 PM * Loetmichel recently went in that old BMW from the company in Seligenstadt (hessen) to Vienna... 700km times two
01:55 PM Centreline: I drove 1600km in a renault recovery vehicle at the weekend, but it was restricted to 90kph (hgv)
01:55 PM Loetmichel: got in the car at 0400, drove to vienna. was there at 1200, did the delivery test with the customer, was back in the car at 1700, and back home 0200 next day ;)
01:56 PM Centreline: The ford galaxy I Have is a vw anyway...
01:56 PM Centreline: its the VW sharan base
01:57 PM Centreline: 850e for a steering rack... so its imported german spares prices :D
01:57 PM Tom_L: don't even think they make the galaxy here anymore
01:57 PM Loetmichel: yes, there are a lot of cars that are indentical apart from the logo in the radiator :-)
01:57 PM Tom_L: certainly wasn't a vw when they did
01:57 PM Centreline: actually the vw part number is often cheaper than the ford re-numbering of the same part
01:57 PM * Loetmichel lives in germany. the spares are not cheaper here ;)
01:58 PM Centreline: Ford galaxy is a 7 seater people carrier in europe, are you sure you aren't thinking of a ford galaxie ? :)
01:59 PM Centreline: Yes, opel, vauxhall, holden etc all the same production line (I used to work for them)
01:59 PM Tom_L: yeah that must be it
01:59 PM Loetmichel: opel vauxhall and holden are all the same company: opel
01:59 PM Tom_L: https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/1966_ford_galaxie_500_1541441828a56eb1e1f8cbe183b91966_ford_galaxie_500_154025114566e7dff9f98764daIMG_3061-1-940x626.jpg
01:59 PM Loetmichel: just different brands in different nations
01:59 PM Centreline: we have the airbags of doom (takara) fitted, but no recall in europe for it yet.
02:00 PM Loetmichel: <- drove Opel Omega station wagon for about 15 years
02:00 PM Loetmichel: the americans called it caddilac catera
02:00 PM Loetmichel: same car though, just rebranded
02:00 PM Loetmichel: (and IIRC not aviable as station wagon in the US)
02:00 PM Centreline: Yes, the manager of the vauxhall plant I worked at had to take a GM car, and he drove a cadillac as it was the same GM parent groop.
02:01 PM Centreline: They are ultimately owned by General Electric anyway.
02:01 PM elmo40: Loetmichel, you mentioned you used a 'karate chop' to get the laser printer going. just wondering if that was a long term repair strategy or the proverbial band-aid
02:01 PM elmo40: ;-)
02:01 PM Loetmichel: elmo40: we modify IT tech to be shielded against over the air eavesdropping
02:02 PM Loetmichel: so there is a lot of brass sheeting in there and copper tape. the chops are needed to get the original covers to snap in with all that additional material
02:02 PM elmo40: oh. i thought you were 'repairing' it :-P
02:02 PM Loetmichel: no, reassembling 36 of them
02:03 PM Loetmichel: after shielding
02:03 PM elmo40: i've seen your photos of the shielded components. looks nice. would this shielding be sufficient to protect computers from Plasma torch high-frequency starts?
02:04 PM Centreline: faraday cages, and removing lights to stop van eck phreaking :)
02:06 PM Loetmichel: elmo40: probably
02:07 PM Loetmichel: not the farady cages alone, but in combination with the filters we use on most i/o its usually "EMP safe"
02:07 PM Loetmichel: so plasma starts shouldnt be a big problem ;)
02:07 PM Loetmichel: Centreline: indeed
02:08 PM Loetmichel: can get slightly out of hand though
02:08 PM Loetmichel: lately i had to shield a video projector
02:09 PM Loetmichel: after two weeks i gave up with internal mods and simply put the whole thing in 1.5mm alu ;)
02:09 PM Centreline: Yes, putting machines in cabinets with solid steel doors, inside a server room with no windows anyway, in case someone managed to sneak a camera in somehow to observe the jabber lights.
02:09 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17121&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
02:09 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17158&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
02:09 PM Loetmichel: that was "fun" ;)
02:10 PM Centreline: Does that still cool enough? you could probably sell a lightweight version of that to the silent projector crowd :)
02:11 PM Loetmichel: it still has fan slots on the right places
02:11 PM Loetmichel: here half assembled: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17118&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
02:12 PM Loetmichel: and its no more silent than before
02:12 PM Loetmichel: but not for mounting in "reach" any more
02:12 PM Loetmichel: the air that comes out of that thing is about 80°C.
02:12 PM Loetmichel: not a probelm with a plastic shell
02:13 PM Centreline: barco do enclosures for their "beamers" https://www.barco.com/~/media/images/landing%20page%20images/compatible%203rd%20party%20accessories%20for%20projection/tempest-picture%20product%20jpg.jpg?w=1273&la=en
02:13 PM Loetmichel: but an aluminium shell is painful to touch at that temperature ;)
02:13 PM Loetmichel: yeah, thats basically what i did
02:13 PM Loetmichel: just a bit more "form fitting" ;)
02:13 PM Loetmichel: and its a panasonic device
02:14 PM Loetmichel: even the military has not enough money to buy barco ;)
02:14 PM elmo40: fan? no liquid cooling?
02:14 PM Loetmichel: elmo40: same as before
02:14 PM Centreline: the barco lenses are liquid cooled, but they still have fans inside to cool the radiator and boards
02:14 PM Loetmichel: that thing has about half a dozen air "turbines"
02:15 PM Loetmichel: and a 525W metal vapor lamp ;)
02:15 PM Centreline: evn back in the crt era (I used to own a w/c barco, I have a sony dlp now)
02:16 PM Centreline: you shut down, and the chassis wont spin down for 2mins while it gets the internal components down from running temperature :)
02:16 PM Loetmichel: Centreline: the LCDs inside that thing are liquid cooled, too
02:16 PM Loetmichel: but the radiators are just in the frame
02:16 PM Loetmichel: not outside
02:16 PM Loetmichel: on the "air intake" side IIRC
02:17 PM Centreline: the AV people have silent enclosures that use the case to dissapate heat, or vent outside the room and thats big business because they are very high end
02:17 PM Loetmichel: so the air cools the LCs on the intake, then the electronics, then the lamp, then back out ;)
02:17 PM Loetmichel: Centreline: i worked in stage rental for about 10 years
02:17 PM Loetmichel: i have seen barcos by the dozen
02:17 PM Loetmichel: on a single venue
02:18 PM Loetmichel: still the customer i serve now wouldnt pay for a single one ;)
02:18 PM Loetmichel: especially not if tempest shielded by us ;)
02:18 PM Centreline: yeah they can chain them together for more lumens and all sorts, clever stuff. But yes, theyre not cheap...
02:19 PM Centreline: I was meaning more the home cinema crowd with the silent enclosures
02:19 PM Loetmichel: Centreline: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2988&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- 8 barcos in 4 dual stacks side by side
02:19 PM Loetmichel: and the big 10klumen ones ;)
02:20 PM Loetmichel: back projection
02:20 PM Loetmichel: they made a new wall in that event hall to have all the tech in the back
02:21 PM Loetmichel: just for a single 10 hour shareholder general meeting
02:21 PM Loetmichel: ... every year ;)
02:23 PM Loetmichel: 3 weeks of stuffing that hall with tech and decoration, including about 100k sqft of thick carpet ;)
02:23 PM Centreline: its about looking impressive to shareholders though :)
02:23 PM Loetmichel: ... only to rip it all out and trash it after 10 hours
02:23 PM Centreline: "We're doing so well, we can afford all THIS" :D
02:23 PM Loetmichel: (the deco, not the tech ;)
02:24 PM Loetmichel: they actually DO so well
02:24 PM Loetmichel: to not feel the 1.5 million eur each year for that meeting
02:25 PM Centreline: Private defence contractors usually do have deep pockets :D
02:25 PM Loetmichel: E-on is the biggest german (european?) energy company ;)
02:25 PM Loetmichel: no, i meant that picture
02:26 PM Loetmichel: that is from my last job
02:26 PM Loetmichel: the stage rental one
02:26 PM Loetmichel: not from this "private defence contractor" i work for now ;)
02:26 PM Centreline: I think EDF might have something to say about that biggest european title :)
02:29 PM Loetmichel: thats why i made a ? behind that ;)
02:31 PM Loetmichel: and to think that i now have to mill defense stuff on two CNC 6040.. :)
02:32 PM Loetmichel: our engineer came to the workshop last week, seeing me making new holes for the power filters in the laser printer panels... SMH and went out... "i didnt see that. watch your fingers!!" -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd9RrLA0X2k
02:32 PM Loetmichel: :-)
02:41 PM Centreline: approved workholding method of keeping it pressed on the wood by hand :)
02:42 PM Loetmichel: its actually held by the vertical wood part and the slot in the back
02:42 PM Loetmichel: i just have to prevent the left end from lifting up and out of the slot
02:43 PM Centreline: I'm from the "What could possibly go wrong." school of workholding, so probably would have done different, but it works for you
02:43 PM Centreline: probably because I've had it go wrong quite often...
02:43 PM Loetmichel: same
02:43 PM Loetmichel: i just dont care anymore ;)
02:45 PM Loetmichel: once you had the first 3mm carbide twoflute all the way thru your thumbnail, the bone and out the other side you start to care a bit less ;)
02:45 PM Centreline: I'm still terrified about qc30 holders falling out the spindle at 2k rpm without a screen between you and them
02:46 PM Centreline: I'm so happy the vmc has iso40 instead...
02:46 PM Loetmichel: yeah, makes nice impact i imagine ;)
02:47 PM Centreline: get it working, then extract bridgeport cnc from basement and have it sold on ebay before it causes more replacement underwear
02:47 PM Centreline: genuine erikson qc30 are usually ok, its the chinese tooling that isn't qualified properly for flange thickness etc to spec that tend to come loose
02:48 PM Centreline: solution, for heavy milling, always use a erikson holder. Faffing about with a probe or light engraving, cheap chinese er32/qc30
02:50 PM Centreline: but new machine isnt yet linuxcnc. it has a heidenhain tnc460 for now until it goes wrong, then retrofit time...
02:52 PM Loetmichel: Centreline: last time i had underwear problems was wehen THAT flew off the arbor at 24krpm: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5471
02:52 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5474
02:52 PM Loetmichel: should have used a bit more material on the lower side ;)
02:52 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5468
02:53 PM Centreline: heh, the worst I have had is blowing up a wheel on my surface grinder when a block stood on end tipped and got longer as it tipped, and went through the wheel
02:53 PM Centreline: it was ok with new underwear, once I'd extracted the 2" steel block from where it was embedded in the stone workshop wall...
02:54 PM Loetmichel: hihi
02:54 PM Loetmichel: can you spell "supersonic shuriken" ? ;)
02:54 PM Loetmichel: (the sawblade) ;)
02:55 PM Centreline: I've had slitting saws work loose and strip the key inside, but never one detach completely, so I imagine that was less than optimal a day.
02:55 PM Loetmichel: it bounced off the shop walls half a dozen times ;)
02:55 PM Loetmichel: all around me ;)
02:57 PM Centreline: we had a moment loading that machine the other day, we got it on the deck and pulled the deck level on the hydraulics, then the company wanted us clear of the loading bay so we had to move. The driver said "it wont move" and started to drive forwards with it still on skates, just to move across the yard out the way, and the whole machine started to skate towards him on the cab.
02:58 PM Centreline: So we told the yard guy to go away, and put it on wooden beams before trying to move the truck :D
02:58 PM Loetmichel: good decision ;)
02:59 PM Centreline: I think he needed new underwear as this machine rolled towards the cab for sure :D
03:00 PM Centreline: I did, and I was stood very clear of the situation knowing I wasn't happy with it :)
03:01 PM * JT-Shop is actually making a part on the mill for a change
03:16 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you forget how to run it?
03:23 PM JT-Shop: almost lol
03:26 PM JT-Shop: I sure do like that QtPyVCP interface I made
03:53 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: I'm about to try this recipe; I'm using a prepackage coleslaw mix (14 ounces)... https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/14297/asian-coleslaw/print/?recipeType=Recipe&servings=5&isMetric=false
03:53 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: no bellpepper this time
03:54 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: Well, pack of shredded cabbage
03:57 PM Deejay: gn8
04:47 PM _unreal_: hello
04:47 PM _unreal_: well it looks like its back to waiting again
04:48 PM _unreal_: ordered more of the parts I needed for my cnc machine " thank you CHINA....."
04:48 PM _unreal_: the only major parts I have not ordered yet are the Z axis rails
04:50 PM Centreline: you can get the parts quicker, its just 10x the price, so thank you china for actually putting all this stuff in our budget range :D
04:53 PM asdfasd1: hello
04:53 PM SpeedEvil: And then you realise the price per ton is the same as the price per one.
04:53 PM asdfasd1: my linuxcnc cant access windows machine after upgrading to windows 10
04:53 PM asdfasd1: can anyone help?
04:53 PM asdfasd1: I mean shared folder on lockal network
04:54 PM Centreline: have you tried accessing the share by ip instead of smb name?
04:54 PM asdfasd1: smb://IP address ?
04:54 PM Centreline: so \\10.0.0.1\sharename instead of the wins netbios name?
04:55 PM asdfasd1: \\IP address on widnows does work
04:55 PM asdfasd1: but is it same \\ on linux?
04:55 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, how's the gui goin for that custom machine?
04:55 PM Centreline: the slashes go the other way, but you can yes
04:56 PM SpeedEvil: Can you ping?
04:56 PM Centreline: smbclient -Lip.of_windows.machine should get you a share list, then you can mount the share specifying -cifs I think it is on the mountline
04:56 PM Centreline: let me check, I don't have any windows machines left to rmemeber the syntax off by heart
04:58 PM _unreal_: Centreline, true
04:58 PM _unreal_: once I get this new machine going. it will REALLY be in my budget range
04:59 PM Centreline: its -tcifs on the mount as a flag for win10
05:00 PM Centreline: this might help more https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-mount-cifs-windows-share-on-linux/
05:01 PM Centreline: I just use nfs everywhere :D
05:06 PM asdfasd1: mount error - host is down
05:07 PM Centreline: as SpeedEvil already asked, can you ping the windows host from the linuxcnc machine?
05:07 PM asdfasd1: ping the same IP does show connection
05:07 PM Centreline: ok, and it can't mount from the ip instead of the netbios name?
05:07 PM asdfasd1: I did it, the connection is fine
05:07 PM asdfasd1: no, it doesnt
05:08 PM asdfasd1: it was working fine with windows 7
05:08 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L, I've not started it yet... waiting on information from the president of the company
05:08 PM Centreline: do you have any sort of firewall on the windows machine?
05:08 PM asdfasd1: after upgrade to windows 10 it stops
05:08 PM asdfasd1: nothing additional, just the windows firewall which Im not sure what to do
05:08 PM Tom_L: everything stops after an "upgrade" to win 10!
05:09 PM Tom_L: such a slow pig
05:09 PM asdfasd1: unfortunately...
05:09 PM Tom_L: i found a script you can run to disable alot of the bloat
05:09 PM asdfasd1: I did change encriptopn settings on windows as suggested on one forum
05:09 PM Centreline: can you disable the firewall temporary just to test the connection?
05:09 PM asdfasd1: but still doesnt work
05:10 PM asdfasd1: let me try
05:10 PM JT-Shop: damn missing a 1 when typing in a mdi can screw up your part
05:10 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, you get the cold blast yet?
05:11 PM Tom_L: or a decimal point :)
05:11 PM asdfasd1: still doesnt work
05:11 PM JT-Shop: 60 atm
05:11 PM Tom_L: windy as heck today and cold
05:12 PM asdfasd1: someone suggested adding client max protocol = NT1
05:12 PM JT-Shop: supposed to get that tonight
05:12 PM asdfasd1: but dont know how to do it
05:12 PM asdfasd1: I did what they say but it shows error that it is not recognised
05:15 PM Centreline: microsoft has a big page on smb and which versions are where etc, they keep changing how it works to stop the linux clients getting too good I think :) https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2696547/how-to-enable-and-disable-smbv1-smbv2-and-smbv3-in-windows-and-windows-server
05:16 PM Centreline: caveat smbv1 and v2 have serious security issues though...
05:16 PM Centreline: you'll be vulnerable to eternal blue and other exploits if you turn them on...
05:16 PM Centreline: I don't have a win10 machine to hand to help more sorry
05:17 PM _unreal_: OMG I just want my damn parts
05:19 PM asdfasd1: I did instal smb1 on windows and want restart now
05:21 PM Centreline: the more I read about cifs, the more I love nfs (apart from its complete lack of fine grained permission control)
05:30 PM asdfasd1: after installing smb1 now is mountable with IP
05:30 PM Centreline: tada, sorted
05:30 PM asdfasd1: but still not discoverable while browsing the network
05:30 PM asdfasd1: before when I open the windows network was shown as PC-name
05:31 PM asdfasd1: now nothing shown
05:32 PM asdfasd1: somehow in the past I have added the PC-name as icon next to windows network
05:32 PM Centreline: Id just give your cnc machine a static ip, and map it as a drive in the win machine
05:32 PM asdfasd1: which icon was working with windows 7
05:33 PM asdfasd1: I prefer it the other way round
05:37 PM _unreal_: I have to admit
05:37 PM _unreal_: I never thought I'd really use my netbook much
05:38 PM _unreal_: but since that planetcnc USB cnc controller is windows based it works DAMN good for what it is
05:39 PM Centreline: I just keep everything on linux, and fire up windows in vm's to run design software and cam stuff etc
05:39 PM Centreline: then mostly everything just works
05:40 PM asdfasd1: I have many shared folders on my windows machine, therefore it is better to acces them from linux
05:43 PM asdfasd1: in GUI on file manager when I press CTRL+L
05:44 PM asdfasd1: it open window where it is already entered smb:///
05:44 PM asdfasd1: then I change it to smb://IP/
05:44 PM asdfasd1: is that correct?
05:46 PM Centreline: works for me
05:47 PM Centreline: in nautilus on linux (I dont have any windows machines at my desk to see the other direction)
05:48 PM asdfasd1: when I enter smb://IP/shared folder - it does work
05:48 PM asdfasd1: but when I enter smb://IP/ only then it shows error - "failed to retrieve share list from server"
05:49 PM Centreline: so bookmark the folder where you keep your .ngc files for the cnc, and just click on that bookmark in linux to access them
05:49 PM Centreline: its working, why complicate it more?
05:49 PM asdfasd1: is there any way to show all shared folders on GUI ?
05:50 PM Centreline: yes, but isnt the aim here to get the ngc files onto your linuxcnc machine?
05:50 PM asdfasd1: yeah, but I wanted to make it work for future, not only now for 1 file
05:50 PM Centreline: so you can design in the windows cad program, cam process them in the windows cam program, then save them ready to go on the linux cnc machine
05:50 PM asdfasd1: for 1 file I can transfer it with usb flash drive
05:50 PM Centreline: so put your files in a directory, and use that directory, not one file :)
05:51 PM asdfasd1: just wanted to make it work as before
05:51 PM asdfasd1: the local network was discoverable, and when I click on PC it was showing all shared folders
05:51 PM Centreline: ok, if you search the net probably you will find the reason/guides, I dont bother setting up domain controllers and all that now so I dont know how to cure the issue
05:52 PM asdfasd1: anyway, thanks for your help
05:52 PM asdfasd1: much appreciated, at least the network is working now
05:53 PM Tom_L: sharing the folder doesn't allow it to show up in linux?
05:53 PM Tom_L: i do the same thing but not on win 10
05:55 PM Centreline: I think the issue is he can't browse to the machine name in explorer and get a list of shares show up in the gui filemanager, he has to know the folder name in advance because netbios name service isnt running for some reason
05:56 PM Tom_L: oh
05:56 PM Centreline: Id just throw the folder/ip in fstab and call that working at boot a victory personally :D
05:59 PM asdfasd1: here is what i found
05:59 PM asdfasd1: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=270442
05:59 PM asdfasd1: but cant make it work for me
05:59 PM asdfasd1: now it shows error for client max protocol = NT1
06:06 PM Centreline: are you running linuxcnc on a mint install?
06:06 PM Centreline: maybe better finding a walkthrough on debian or ubuntu depending on your base install
06:06 PM Centreline: they can be ever so slightly different at times...
06:07 PM asdfasd1: no, it is debian 7
06:07 PM asdfasd1: I found it - for debian 7 it is only max protocol
06:08 PM asdfasd1: without client
06:08 PM asdfasd1: but still doesnt work
06:08 PM asdfasd1: still windows network folder is empty
06:09 PM Centreline: the other thing is they have to be in the same workgroup
06:09 PM Tom_L: what if you created a shared folder on the linux pc and transferred the file _from_ the win10 pc?
06:10 PM Centreline: and irrc file and print server sharing has to be enabled on the windows machine too
06:10 PM Tom_L: probably still the workgroup thing...
06:11 PM asdfasd1: same workgroup - WORKGROUP
06:12 PM Centreline: it has to be guest file and print server sharing on the windows machine apparently
06:13 PM Centreline: but keep looking you'll find something out on the net I'm sure. This problem has been discussed ad nauseum by thousands of people out there
06:14 PM Centreline: on which note, 1am here and have work in am, so best sleep (not crash, crashing is bad in cnc discussion areas) gnite all
06:14 PM infornography: where can I find some free dxf files?
06:15 PM infornography: i wanna burn something fancy looking with the zaser
06:15 PM Tom_L: grabcad might have somthing
06:15 PM _unreal_: Oh dear... I just started designing a cad file for a part I need to make holes for so I can make a jig to align my rails WHEN I get my parts.
06:15 PM _unreal_: and I'm using the worng extrusion
06:15 PM _unreal_: sigh
06:15 PM _unreal_: time for more alcohal
06:16 PM Tom_L: i'm sure that will help the design process
06:16 PM _unreal_: o,O alcohol always helps the "creative" process
06:16 PM _unreal_: HOW is not up for debate, DOES is a clear given
06:16 PM Tom_L: infornography, https://www.epiloglaser.com/resources/sample-club.htm
06:17 PM _unreal_: OMG what is with that site. it JITTERS terrible when mouse scrolling up and down
06:18 PM Tom_L: not the alcohol?
06:18 PM _unreal_: possble
06:18 PM _unreal_: nope, not the alcohol I just did a video on my phone and its clearly jittery
06:18 PM _unreal_: wtf is with that page
06:20 PM infornography: tool shadows :o
06:24 PM _unreal_: have not seen pink in a while
06:47 PM jymmmm: JT-Shop: WOW, that was BAD BAD BAD... Initially it tasted good, but stir in the cabbage and it turned to mush in like 20 minutes. MAybe I made too much dressing, IDK,
07:11 PM asdfasd1: how did I broke M3 command ?!?!
07:12 PM asdfasd1: when I enter M3 in MDI it does push the spindle button on the screen but the relay doesnt click
07:12 PM asdfasd1: when I push the spindle button with the mouse - the relay does click
07:12 PM asdfasd1: how is that possible
07:14 PM infornography: fascinating
07:15 PM asdfasd1: and even worst - if I leave the spindle on, then M3 turn it off
07:17 PM asdfasd1: any clue?!?
07:28 PM asdfasd1: it seems that doesnt work without S value ?!?
07:28 PM asdfasd1: when this happened?!?
07:29 PM asdfasd1: Im sure before was working without S
07:32 PM Tom_L: but prior to that had you set an s value somewhere?
07:40 PM asdfasd1: Im just looking old G codes
07:40 PM asdfasd1: they have no S at all, and it was working fine
07:41 PM asdfasd1: because of network issues I did enter apt-get update and upgrade
07:41 PM asdfasd1: did I update something which can change it?
07:42 PM XXCoder: hmm maybe it was using old s values last time but changes removed it
07:42 PM XXCoder: or it does not have default value anymore
07:43 PM asdfasd1: I didnt change anything on linuxcnc
07:43 PM asdfasd1: it was working fine for a long time
07:44 PM asdfasd1: it just stopped now
07:44 PM XXCoder: yeah like I said changes may be on software
07:44 PM XXCoder: its safer to require s with m3
07:44 PM asdfasd1: can I add default S to load automatically at start?
07:45 PM asdfasd1: DEFAULT_SPINDLE_SPEED = 100 - The default spindle RPM when the spindle is started in manual mode. if this setting is not present, this defaults to 1 RPM for AXIS and 300 RPM for gmoccapy.
07:45 PM asdfasd1: it says that it default to 1rpm
07:45 PM asdfasd1: but obviously it doesnt
07:46 PM asdfasd1: DEFAULT_SPINDLE_SPEED = 100 doesnt work
07:47 PM skunkworks: I don't think it ever worked without a S set...
07:48 PM skunkworks: For m3..
07:48 PM asdfasd1: I was surprised too, but I did open G codes created june this year
07:48 PM skunkworks: The screen button is as you found.. You have to put what default spindle speed is - I think that is reletively new..
07:49 PM asdfasd1: G21
07:49 PM asdfasd1: G90
07:49 PM asdfasd1: G94
07:49 PM asdfasd1: G01 F600.00
07:49 PM asdfasd1: G00 Z2.0000
07:49 PM asdfasd1: M03
07:49 PM asdfasd1: there is no S at all
07:49 PM skunkworks: That is bad gcode...'
07:49 PM asdfasd1: is there any way I can set default S ?
07:50 PM asdfasd1: so I can use old G codes
07:50 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/config/ini-config.html
07:51 PM Tom_L: DEFAULT_SPINDLE_SPEED =
07:51 PM skunkworks: Hmm.. can you do a startup code?
07:51 PM skunkworks: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini-config.html#_rs274ngc_section
07:51 PM asdfasd1: DEFAULT_SPINDLE_SPEED = 100 doesnt work
07:51 PM skunkworks: I think that is just for the spindle buttion
07:51 PM skunkworks: in the gui
07:52 PM asdfasd1: also thought about RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE but dont know how to add S
07:52 PM asdfasd1: without messing with the other existing G codes
07:53 PM asdfasd1: just added s100 at the beginning of startup code
07:53 PM asdfasd1: and seems to work
07:54 PM asdfasd1: but not sure if the rest is accepted
08:22 PM asdfasd1: thanks guys
08:22 PM asdfasd1: seems fine now
08:24 PM asdfasd1: I have no clue when and how this was changed
09:05 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pillar-drill-bench-drill-drill-press-drill-Stand/264560220442?hash=item3d9904991a%3Ag%3AJOEAAOSwxlBd7NxA&LH_Auction=1 eccentric drillpress.
09:11 PM Rab: Interesting belt.
09:11 PM SpeedEvil: Does that sort of belt exist, or is it actually hose
09:11 PM Rab: I've never seen such a thing before. I don't see a seam, and I don't think it's collapsing in the bends like a hose would, but it's hard to tell.
09:12 PM Rab: Maybe the extra height is something to do with the action of the quill...the collar on top might be a depth stop?
09:16 PM SpeedEvil: hmm
09:16 PM net|: https://github.com/tecan/emscripten-projects
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09:53 PM elmo40: net|, How's the weather in Alberta?
10:59 PM fjungclaus1 is now known as fjungclaus
11:26 PM net|: very seasonal