Oct 22 2019
03:36 AM Deejay: moin
04:51 AM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest28971
05:15 AM Tom_L: morning
05:23 AM jthornton: morning
05:33 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
05:58 AM jthornton: only 0.4GB behind this morning
06:00 AM XXCoder: yay
06:13 AM nubcake is now known as nubcake_
06:13 AM nubcake_ is now known as nubcake
06:37 AM SpeedEvil: That's quite a lot of text, or not a lot of video.
07:57 AM Elmo40: behind?
07:58 AM Elmo40: on what. downloading? ripping a dvd? comparing your pr0n collection with someone else?
09:23 AM Deejay: re
11:58 AM jymmmm: hola
11:59 AM CaptHindsight: buenos nachos
12:00 PM CaptHindsight: jymmmm: como frijol?
12:00 PM CaptHindsight: how you bean?
12:01 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: lol, pretty good, another blackout tomorrow, yay =)
12:01 PM CaptHindsight: day and night or just days?
12:02 PM CaptHindsight: sunlight hours
12:02 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: tues and wednesday
12:02 PM jymmmm: err wed and thur
12:02 PM CaptHindsight: so does work just shut down and everyone just parties in the dark?
12:03 PM jymmmm: in the dark
12:03 PM CaptHindsight: haven't heard of any candle fires yet
12:04 PM jymmmm: There has been at least one fire, not power related
12:06 PM jymmmm: I need to spend health money before the end of the year, can't be OTC medicatons, but can be first aid. any suggestions?
12:07 PM CaptHindsight: flu shot
12:07 PM jymmmm: oh hell no
12:09 PM narogon: I have some strange problem. I've downloaded 2.7.14 source. configured with ./configure uspace and created the package with dpkg buildpackage -nc -b. my version is #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u4 (2019-07-19)
12:10 PM narogon: config.h has #define RTAPI_USPACE /**/
12:11 PM narogon: but if I check with #if defined(RTAPI_USPACE) it seems to not be defined
12:11 PM narogon: I need it in order to use some funcionts of rtapi
12:12 PM narogon: but I misunderstand or forget something
12:15 PM narogon: could anybody point me the way to check it?
12:27 PM jymmmm: CaptHindsight: OH JOY they updated the blackout to include this evening too!!!
12:27 PM CaptHindsight: \0/
12:28 PM CaptHindsight: do they also have electrical bill payment blackouts?
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: can you stop paying your electric bill to avoid financial emergencies?
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: think of the children
12:34 PM jymmmm: Since they can remote turn on/off, I doubt it
12:39 PM CaptHindsight: so no double standard, got it
01:12 PM JT-Shop2: so much for flying today... 28 MPH wind gusts
01:20 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: You read this? https://www.thanassis.space/myowncpu.html Pretty nifty.
01:20 PM FinboySlick: I like the guy's writing style too.
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: i saw the story a few days ago
01:36 PM FinboySlick: It's a shame that FPGA development is such a pain. Spartan 6 are pretty amazing.
01:38 PM CaptHindsight: nah you just have to become familiar wit the tools, then VHDL or Verilog, then know all the quirks with the tools, then the work-arounds, then it's a piece of cake
01:41 PM gregcnc: So the spindle checked out. Maybe my paranoia or idk. I'll put it back together, but with some balance rings on the pulley to fine tune it.
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: now that the weather has turned cooler it's time to start pouring metals
02:38 PM JT-Shop2: aluminum?
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: anything that works with sand
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: or ceramic media https://carboceramics.com/Industrial/Industrial-casting-media
02:44 PM roycroft: i would be interested in making some bronze some day
02:44 PM roycroft: it's hard to come by, and rather more expensive than its consituent components
02:47 PM XXCoder: is it harder to mix or what
03:24 PM roycroft: i think you just melt some copper, toss in some tin, and you have bronze
03:28 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: I remember messing with it back when we were looking at Bitcoin mining.
03:41 PM SpeedEvil: I was contemplating melting copper+zinc to make brass under an inert atmosphere when I had an important realisation about the vapour pressure of zinc at copper melting temps
03:48 PM roycroft: yeah, that does not sound like it would be a fun thing to do
03:49 PM SpeedEvil: Spoiler: you don't need the inert atmosphere, as zinc is @1 bar basically.
03:54 PM FinboySlick: SpeedEvil: As the 'will it blend' guy in a labcoat would say: "Don't breathe this."
03:55 PM roycroft: another reason to make bronze
03:55 PM roycroft: no toxic zinc vapor involved
03:56 PM SpeedEvil: You need to get it quite a lot too hot to make equivalent tin vapour.
03:56 PM roycroft: if it's real bronze, and not that modern stuff that's passed off as bronze
03:56 PM roycroft: which is really brass with a bit less zinc than brass
03:57 PM SpeedEvil: They're putting some silli stuff in bronze these days.
03:58 PM FinboySlick: SpeedEvil: Political dissidents?
04:02 PM Deejay: gn8
05:27 PM drdoc: ugh, I can't keep up
05:28 PM _unreal_: huh?
05:28 PM drdoc: 2.7.xx is the ultra-stable version
05:28 PM drdoc: so far so good
05:28 PM _unreal_: hum
05:29 PM drdoc: which is the "I need new features but I don't want to bug-hunt any more than necessary" branch?
05:29 PM Tom_L: 2.7.14
05:29 PM drdoc: 2.8 or 2.9?
05:29 PM _unreal_: I still need yall to give me a hand getting lcnc installed on that ufi bios pc
05:29 PM Tom_L: 2.8 is stable
05:29 PM drdoc: OK
05:29 PM Tom_L: if you need it, use it
05:29 PM _unreal_: I can get the install to work but when it comes to installing the grub it fails
05:29 PM drdoc: I run a 2-motor Y system
05:30 PM Tom_L: 2.8 makes that easy
05:30 PM _unreal_: drdoc, split signal or mirror signal?
05:30 PM drdoc: _unreal_: did you try bringing up the one-time boot options?
05:30 PM _unreal_: there is no onetime or its labled different
05:30 PM _unreal_: and this is an isssue getting grub to install
05:30 PM _unreal_: I need to work on a project for work for a little and later on I'll get that computer powered up if yall are around
05:30 PM Tom_L: _unreal_, i wouldn't try dual boot win10 with anything
05:30 PM drdoc: I know, but I think the problem is not what you think it is
05:31 PM drdoc: I will be around
05:31 PM _unreal_: drdoc, you may be right
05:31 PM _unreal_: owho knows
05:31 PM drdoc: Tom_L: I'm triple booting Win10 with Linux and OS X
05:31 PM drdoc: on a Thinkpad
05:31 PM _unreal_: not a think pad. ANYTHING but a think pad
05:31 PM _unreal_: heh
05:31 PM drdoc: but it takes some determination...
05:31 PM _unreal_: ya this laptop is some Acer something or other with a pentium D cpu
05:31 PM jymmmm: drdoc: modified bios?
05:31 PM drdoc: nosir
05:32 PM _unreal_: grub
05:32 PM drdoc: USB wifi
05:32 PM jymmmm: drdoc: hackintosh or OSX VM?
05:32 PM drdoc: and judicious use of UEFI vs legacy boot
05:32 PM drdoc: hackintosh
05:32 PM drdoc: t440p
05:33 PM jymmmm: drdoc: Well, iirc osx only supports UEFI
05:33 PM _unreal_: g00 X7.232Y2
05:33 PM _unreal_: wtf
05:33 PM _unreal_: oh
05:34 PM _unreal_: multi keyboards UGH
05:34 PM drdoc: _unreal_: if Windows 10 is installed as a legacy system and Linux isinstalled as an EFI boot, you won't see grub
05:34 PM drdoc: jymmmm: true
05:34 PM _unreal_: drdoc, win10 I believe was installed as EFI
05:34 PM _unreal_: I only just installed it
05:34 PM _unreal_: I :S can re-install it
05:34 PM _unreal_: I dont know shit aobut EFI
05:34 PM drdoc: jymmmm: Windows 10 boots legacy; OS X and Linux boot UEFI
05:35 PM drdoc: OK
05:35 PM drdoc: _unreal_: get into the BIOS, set UEFI boot only, secure boot off
05:36 PM drdoc: it's a *lot* easier to install Windows first and then Linux
05:36 PM drdoc: but every Win10 ISO I've used boots AND INSTALLS according to the BIOS settings
05:38 PM drdoc: so if BIOS is set to UEFI boot, windows installs with an EFI partition and will only boot UEFI
05:38 PM drdoc: if BIOS is set to Legacy, Windows does that
05:38 PM drdoc: also
05:39 PM drdoc: 4-port KVM means never having 3 keyboards
05:39 PM drdoc: :-)
05:39 PM Tom_L: yeah but you gotta remember where your at with it
05:40 PM drdoc: I got this 4-port DVI/USB rig for $25
05:40 PM drdoc: and it takes standard cabling, unlike some
05:41 PM _unreal_: drdoc, I did install win first
05:41 PM drdoc: so $8 worth of goodwill DVI cables and a bunch of spare A-to-B USB cables and I Am A Happy Man
05:41 PM _unreal_: I'm mainly paying atention to this CAD drawing I have to do for work right now
05:41 PM drdoc: ok
05:41 PM drdoc: _unreal_: holler or pm when you can fiddle with the Envy
05:42 PM Tom_L: _unreal_ what cad do you use for it?
05:42 PM drdoc: and the 2 Y motors will be wired as 4-axis, a la GRBL Shield breakout
05:43 PM _unreal_: lol ctrl-z ctrl-z ctrl-z ctrl-z wtf?? oh worng keyboARD
05:43 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, many different cad programs
05:43 PM _unreal_: I'm using carbide create right now for the logo lable I'm making
05:44 PM _unreal_: ahh one sec and I'll give you a picture link
05:45 PM _unreal_: shit I only have carbide create files up on the drive here this will give you an idea https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nNcqKQLgUvEC46-d-Da1Yha4n9WvsXAA
05:45 PM _unreal_: Oh wait that is the lable :)
05:45 PM _unreal_: just does not have the "mount holes" in that version
05:49 PM _unreal_: just relized I didnt upload a lot of photos uploading them to the company archive right now
05:49 PM drdoc: Tom_L: the KVM is a lot easier for me to track than several keyboards
05:54 PM _unreal_: I've used KVM's in the past and I always get lost
05:55 PM _unreal_: would be nice to have a system that tracks your eyes
05:55 PM _unreal_: if your looking at X monitor. the the K/M are switched to THAT system
05:56 PM drdoc: _unreal_: I think you missed the "V" part of "KVM"
05:57 PM _unreal_: I ignored the v
05:57 PM drdoc: 4 computers, 1 Keyboard, one Video monitor, on Mouse
05:57 PM drdoc: one* Mouse
05:57 PM _unreal_: or multi monitors. and just a single keyboard/mouse
05:57 PM drdoc: that would make me nuts
05:58 PM drdoc: I have used dual monitors with KVMs, but one stays always on the same system
05:58 PM _unreal_: I hate doing much with win other then IRC, games, CAD
05:58 PM drdoc: I don't even do IRC or games
05:59 PM _unreal_: ?
05:59 PM _unreal_: your ON IRC rigth now
05:59 PM _unreal_: or are you a figment of my imagination?
05:59 PM _unreal_: ! ohhh boy not again
05:59 PM drdoc: I'm on my FrankenMac right now
05:59 PM _unreal_: but your chating on IRC
05:59 PM drdoc: MacOS 10.14
05:59 PM drdoc: yes
05:59 PM _unreal_: :p
06:00 PM drdoc: I meant on Windows
06:00 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/config/ini-homing.html
06:00 PM Tom_L: drdoc read that about homing 2 steppers
06:00 PM _unreal_: ahh never said ON win
06:00 PM drdoc: I have a virtual server in DC and my IRC session runs on it
06:00 PM _unreal_: ok quick shower
06:00 PM Tom_L: Negative HOME_SEQUENCE values indicate that joints in the sequence should synchronize the final move to [JOINT_n]HOME by waiting until all joints in the sequence are ready. If any joint has a negative HOME_SEQUENCE value, then all joints with the same absolute value (positive or negative) of the HOME_SEQUENCE item value will synchronize the final move.
06:01 PM drdoc: Tom_L: I'm basically doing this:
06:01 PM drdoc: https://www.v1engineering.com/forum/topic/inexpensive-linuxcnc-interface-for-mpcnc/
06:01 PM drdoc: mostly because I have everything I need for that
06:02 PM drdoc: he's just using the GRBL shield as a breakout for DRV8825 drivers
06:02 PM Tom_L: ok
06:02 PM drdoc: I need to ohm out my shield board and see how the "A axis" is slaved to Y - serial or parallel
06:03 PM drdoc: GRBL doesn't really do 4-axis, so it's one or the other
06:03 PM drdoc: running the Arduino & GRBL, I home Y like you'd home Z on a 3D printer
06:04 PM drdoc: limit switch on one rail, use a dial caliper to square the other
06:05 PM drdoc: (Which is *fucking* *insane*. Next major expense is a motor & driver chunky enough to drive both screws)
06:06 PM drdoc: so, yeah, your link is next up for reading
06:08 PM drdoc: OK, using index pulses means servo or stepper & encoder, yes?
06:16 PM jymmmm: drdoc: VM's ftw =)
06:16 PM drdoc: Eh
06:16 PM drdoc: Fusion - really *all* virtualization software for macOS - performs horribly
06:17 PM jymmmm: drdoc: Virtual box works great
06:17 PM SpeedEvil: drdoc: flash?
06:17 PM jymmmm: ...for me
06:17 PM drdoc: it does, but it doesn't emulate a Quadro
06:17 PM drdoc: SpeedEvil: ?
06:18 PM drdoc: I just rather have standalone hardware at my desk
06:18 PM jymmmm: drdoc: I only use XP and it's VM, except for one bare metal machine where it's required.
06:19 PM drdoc: I did ESX/ESXi as part of my job till I was sick of it
06:19 PM jymmmm: sick of what? Ran an entire company on it
06:19 PM drdoc: my first VMware certification # was 4 digits
06:20 PM _unreal_: SWEET!!! I finally got an arrivale time frame
06:20 PM _unreal_: for my memory I ordered for my desktop
06:20 PM drdoc: I taught it, adminned it, fixed problems with it induced by isiots
06:20 PM drdoc: idiots
06:20 PM _unreal_: should be here in a few days.
06:20 PM _unreal_: only been a MONTH
06:21 PM _unreal_: drdoc, theres STUPID people out there?
06:21 PM _unreal_: hewh
06:21 PM _unreal_: so long as there are no hidden supprises. and the memory is the correct kind I'll have 8gigs in my tower. maxed OUT
06:21 PM _unreal_: better then 4gigs thats for damn sure
06:22 PM drdoc: don't get me wrong - if you have a use for it it's the only way to fly, and most standalone corporate systems run at something like 10-15% capacity
06:22 PM jymmmm: drdoc: Well, you can't blame VM's for idiots
06:22 PM drdoc: nope
06:22 PM drdoc: but all my systems sleep in low-power mode when I'm not whacking them, I have a good KVM, and I'm not patient
06:23 PM drdoc: although I do run most DOS and pre-Win7 stuff in VB
06:23 PM jymmmm: Have to? WANTED to... Two (redundant) machines running 9 to 13 VM's, ran great
06:23 PM drdoc: oh yeah
06:24 PM drdoc: I didn't say have to
06:24 PM drdoc: I said if you have a use for it
06:24 PM drdoc: your scenario is the perfect use case
06:24 PM drdoc: and it is great
06:24 PM jymmmm: we can all the corp servers (as VM's) that way
06:24 PM drdoc: you should
06:25 PM drdoc: but comparing ESXi to Fusion is comparing Kobi steak to Costco burger
06:26 PM drdoc: Virtual Box is better, but it still has its limitations
06:27 PM jymmmm: drdoc: https://i.imgur.com/Vq54ANZ.jpg
06:27 PM jymmmm: drdoc: Ok, probably a bad analogy on your part =)
06:27 PM drdoc: yup
06:27 PM drdoc: nope
06:27 PM jymmmm: Costco Kobi beef =)
06:27 PM drdoc: Costco steak is damned good
06:27 PM drdoc: but costco burger is Not
06:28 PM jymmmm: It's $1100 costco burger =)
06:28 PM drdoc: lol
06:28 PM drdoc: anybody who grinds wagyu beef needs a whuppin
06:28 PM jymmmm: sorry, $1200
06:29 PM jymmmm: I had a kobi burger once, not bad, but I liked buffalo better
06:29 PM drdoc: bison or water buffalo?
06:29 PM jymmmm: bison
06:29 PM drdoc: most store-bought "buffalo" is water buffalo
06:29 PM drdoc: I do love me some bison
06:29 PM jymmmm: this place has buffalo, ostridge, alligator, etc
06:30 PM drdoc: and water buffalo is still better than beef
06:30 PM drdoc: The Austin Costco has beef, pork, and chicken
06:30 PM drdoc: pretty good selection of fish though
06:31 PM drdoc: anyhow
06:31 PM drdoc: I'm supposed to be figuring out how to wire my stepper drivers
06:31 PM jymmmm: a+ to A+, a- to a-, leather, rinse, repeat...
06:32 PM jymmmm: lather*
06:32 PM drdoc: uh huh
06:32 PM jthornton: Lather is one of my favorite songs
06:32 PM drdoc: pololu drivers are a little more complicated
06:32 PM drdoc: OK, "joint" vs "axis"
06:33 PM drdoc: I run 2 lead screws & motors on one axis, so that's 2 joints?
06:33 PM jymmmm: drdoc: model#?
06:34 PM drdoc: pbbbbbbt
06:34 PM drdoc: you mean the drivers? A4988
06:34 PM drdoc: if you mean the router, it's a doc Special
06:35 PM jthornton: depends on what version of LinuxCNC your using
06:35 PM drdoc: I keep saying I'm going to build a project according to <those> plans and test it before I throw salt in the soup
06:35 PM drdoc: 2.8
06:35 PM drdoc: but I never do
06:36 PM jthornton: yea each motor is a joint and you can have several joints to make an axis in 2.8
06:36 PM drdoc: jthornton: really I'm just trying to grasp the distinction between joint and Axis
06:37 PM jthornton: you can have one or more joints that make up an axis
06:37 PM drdoc: I've been around mills & lathes all my life, and never heard of a joint
06:37 PM drdoc: well.
06:37 PM drdoc: not in this context
06:37 PM drdoc: ;-)
06:37 PM jthornton: well someone made that up I guess....
06:38 PM jthornton: because we also do robot arms and each moving part has a joint
06:38 PM jthornton: I guess
06:38 PM drdoc: so, a "joint following error" means that one of multiple joints in a single axis isn't keeping up?
06:38 PM jymmmm: https://www.pololu.com/product/1182/faqs
06:38 PM jthornton: yep
06:39 PM drdoc: jymmmm: have that page up in Chrome
06:40 PM drdoc: jthornton: OK, I think I get it, and it's a useful term
06:40 PM drdoc: jymmmm: this was what I was looking for:
06:40 PM drdoc: https://www.pololu.com/product/1182/pictures#lightbox-picture0J10073
06:45 PM drdoc: jymmmm: a guy on the shapeoko forums had detailed schematics for this - using A4988/DRV8825 drivers with a parallel-port BoB
06:45 PM drdoc: along with the lcnc config files he used
06:46 PM drdoc: and the domain in the download link is dead
06:46 PM drdoc: so I'm kind of winging it
06:56 PM jymmmm: drdoc: link?
07:40 PM Elmo40: does this link work?
07:40 PM Elmo40: https://imgur.com/a/wUpR02c
07:42 PM SpeedEvil: yes
07:44 PM Elmo40: my 3D printer was becoming a little flakey
07:44 PM Elmo40: would toss a temp error every now and then. all of a sudden it stopped. checked things out and tried again. ran for ~15min then stopped again.
07:45 PM Elmo40: after removing the board i find this on the back side. the negative terminal solder joint. i think i'll jump up to 24V. hopefully that drops the current demand into a more favourable position for the power solder joint :-)
07:49 PM SpeedEvil: err - and resolder it
07:53 PM Elmo40: nah.
07:53 PM Elmo40: that's too much like work...
08:07 PM _unreal_: and it crashes again
08:07 PM _unreal_: !@#%!@#$%
08:07 PM _unreal_: carbide create is SOOO sketchy.
08:14 PM _unreal_: Omg its just endless
08:15 PM _unreal_: now my tower just said that my keyboard has caused and error and its not recognizing it any more
08:15 PM _unreal_: I'm rebooting
08:15 PM _unreal_: but WHAT THE FUCK
08:21 PM _unreal_: oh wow I think I have a bad USB port on the front of the desktop
08:22 PM _unreal_: I just switched devices and now my mouse isnt working
08:22 PM _unreal_: but my keyboard is
08:25 PM Tom_L: gawd, you just want it all doncha!
08:29 PM jymmmm: Tom_L Next, he'll want the display to work too, eeeeesh, some people
08:50 PM _unreal_: so i think I have a bad USB port or maybe its got a wire issue or seating issue inside the case.
08:50 PM _unreal_: its one of the front ports
08:51 PM _unreal_: its been working. but I have also had a few odd ball issues with the computer as well
08:51 PM _unreal_: so currently its working fine though.
08:51 PM _unreal_: with the new harddrive
08:52 PM _unreal_: making hamburgers for the kid and I
08:52 PM _unreal_: .125
08:52 PM _unreal_: @%@#$
08:54 PM _unreal_: ok so mouse and KB are working again and that usb port is not working well I guess. I wonder if that was the issue that fucked up my install of EWVERYTHING last time?
08:54 PM _unreal_: some kind of power issue or what ever with a bad usb port?
08:54 PM _unreal_: or on the motherboard its self?
08:55 PM _unreal_: its a second hand PC anyways. rather I traded a tri core laptop for it. guy wanted my laptop BAD
08:55 PM _unreal_: dont know if it was a good trade or not but were also talking 8 years ago
09:18 PM flyback: http://cowlark.com/fluxengine/index.html
09:18 PM flyback: just ordered the parts to make two
09:18 PM flyback: $50.xx
09:26 PM _unreal_: flyback, you dont have room
09:48 PM flyback: uh
09:48 PM flyback: this doesn't take up any room
09:48 PM flyback: fits inside my milk crate that my pc sits on
09:48 PM flyback: inside the crate is a amd itx that will be for cd's and floppies
09:48 PM flyback: on top is my laptop main pc
10:04 PM Tom_L: flyback, years back pepsi wrote a floppy interface on an avr
10:07 PM flyback: cool
10:08 PM flyback: there's another one called floppycontrol, it does waveform editing to manually fix a signal and also can actuate the heads on the drive by connecting them to the board
10:08 PM flyback: but it needs a $50 arduino and you have to make your own pcb and solder a slot
10:08 PM flyback: so I wenr with flux engine instead
10:08 PM flyback: you order $10 cypress mcu board
10:08 PM flyback: slide in a floppy connector
10:08 PM Tom_L: why do you need to read those ancient disks anyway?
10:08 PM flyback: solder
10:08 PM flyback: done
10:09 PM flyback: irc logs and emails and bbs stuff
10:09 PM flyback: I lost 20 yrs ago
10:09 PM flyback: friends I lost contact info for
10:09 PM flyback: im also imaging 200 old hd's and 1000 old cd's
10:09 PM Tom_L: those discussions are 20yrs outdated now too
10:09 PM flyback: yes but they give me handle names
10:09 PM flyback: and clues how to find them
10:11 PM flyback: it's very precious to me
10:11 PM flyback: if I don't do anything else in life
10:11 PM flyback: it's trying to reconnect with lost friends
10:14 PM Elmo40: ok. soldered the melted negative terminal on my board. also bumped it up to 24V. motors sound different! i'll see what kind of speeds i can push now. all stepper graphs show with 24V you have more torque at every RPM compared to 12V.
10:17 PM Connor: So, wasn't the supermicro motherboard.. per say.. was issue with the integrated ethernet.. Dropped in a PCI nic and it worked fine. Go figure..
10:17 PM Elmo40: flyback, you making a floppy drive?
10:18 PM Elmo40: Connor, i've had new boards (back in 486 days) with dead onboard nics.
10:18 PM Connor: Nics worked. Just not with the Mesa card.
10:18 PM Elmo40: nothing knew they were even there.
10:18 PM Elmo40: oh. that is interesting. what would cause that conflict? some irq setting ?
10:19 PM CaptHindsight: maybe the driver
10:19 PM flyback: no
10:19 PM flyback: a special interface
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: Mesa only uses UDP IIRC
10:20 PM flyback: that records the pulses from a drive
10:20 PM flyback: and rebuilds the data in software
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: "hm2_eth, simply uses these UDP packets as a communications bus"
10:20 PM Connor: I could ping.. but, the Mesa would drop out with errors.. I could even query the card and get the pin mapping.. was strange.
10:21 PM Connor: I'm thinking maybe the integrated nics offload the tcp/ip stack.. or supermicro does some funky stuff..
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Datagram_Protocol
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: It has no handshaking dialogues, and thus exposes the user's program to any unreliability of the underlying network; there is no guarantee of delivery, ordering, or duplicate protection.
10:22 PM Connor: I do know that with IPMI they can share the same nic when the IPMI is installed (not installed in this case)
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: UDP is suitable for purposes where error checking and correction are either not necessary or are performed in the application; UDP avoids the overhead of such processing in the protocol stack. Time-sensitive applications often use UDP because dropping packets is preferable to waiting for packets delayed due to retransmission, which may not be an option in a real-time system.
10:22 PM flyback: Elmo40, this is like a opensource kyroflux or catweasel
10:22 PM flyback: it handles gcr even
10:22 PM flyback: and odd formats
10:22 PM flyback: copy protection bad sectors etc
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: jym: you in the dark?
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: jym: any good ghost stories?
10:24 PM Connor: I am trying to figure out why Firefox scrolls so damn slow on the machine..
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: what version FF?
10:25 PM Connor: it's like the browser is running in molasses
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: some were memory beasts
10:25 PM Connor: What ever comes with the linuxcnc debian 9 distro
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: flash and JS would slow it down
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: debian 9 is also called?
10:25 PM Connor: Stretch
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: ah
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: try to update it
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: slow cpu?
10:26 PM Connor: No. Not really.
10:27 PM Connor: Faster than my atom board.. but it wiped the floor with it.. Same install
10:27 PM Connor: I'm thinking it might be video drivers or something.
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: try FF on a local file with networking turned off
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: does it still scroll slowly?
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: which GPU?
10:28 PM Connor: Nvidia I think.
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: it should default back to software rendering...
10:28 PM Connor: https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/3210/X7SBE.cfm
10:28 PM CaptHindsight: and unless you have ancient hardware still run pretty quick
10:29 PM Connor: So, some sort of Intel® Xeon® 3000 Sequence and Core™ 2 Quad / Duo Series CPU
10:29 PM Connor: I'm sorry.. ATI, not Nvidia.
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: from 10 years back or so
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: November 2007
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: On-board ATI ES1000 (32MB) graphics
10:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/es1000.c2102
10:32 PM CaptHindsight: 180 nm process!!!!!
10:32 PM CaptHindsight: The GPU is operating at a frequency of 200 MHz.
10:32 PM Connor: Yea, it's a old mobo.. It'll do.. Won't be browsing on it that much..
10:32 PM Connor: mostly just the Linuxcnc GUI
10:33 PM CaptHindsight: OpenGL 1.0
10:36 PM Connor: I forget, is their a way to make linuxcnc come up full screen, and eliminate everything else except maybe method to shut down cleanly?
10:36 PM Connor: Like a kiosk?
10:36 PM CaptHindsight: yeah but I don't do that, someone else here does it for me
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, starts up LCNC runs and fills the screen
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: common app
10:38 PM CaptHindsight: IIRC debian has some start up and launch feature for apps
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/33967-auto-start-linuxcnc-dev-and-full-screen
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.cravtec.com/frezarkacnc/suby-linuxcnc/index.php/component/jcomments/feed/com_content/8
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/linux-faq.html#_automatic_startup
10:44 PM _unreal_: ok so Im milling this company lable thing finally
10:45 PM flyback: UGH
10:45 PM flyback: POPWER FAILURE
10:48 PM _unreal_: ?
10:57 PM flyback: we had a blink
10:57 PM pcw_home: Does than mean something went "POP" and the power went out?
11:03 PM _unreal_: :s :P
11:03 PM _unreal_: I never finished my beer
11:03 PM _unreal_: just finished it
11:03 PM _unreal_: I think I opened it like 3 hours ago
11:03 PM _unreal_: half full
11:03 PM _unreal_: wow
11:03 PM _unreal_: blaaa
11:03 PM _unreal_: gone now
11:15 PM Elmo40: flat?
11:16 PM _unreal_: worse WORM
11:16 PM Elmo40: flyback, anything on a UPS?
11:16 PM Elmo40: i have many laptops. it saves me from these little blips a lot
11:17 PM Elmo40: lenovo work stations. their hardware is very nice. :-)
11:17 PM Elmo40: but anything else, i try to keep on UPS. i hate when a brown-out occurs.
11:17 PM Elmo40: especially when i'm 3D printing something ;-)
11:18 PM _unreal_: Elmo40, I have an APC 1500 I'm going to get a new battery for
11:18 PM _unreal_: LOVE the stuff the luxury boats toss :)
11:18 PM _unreal_: I have two. one with good batteries, one with dead one's
11:18 PM _unreal_: :)
11:18 PM _unreal_: could not complain about free
11:19 PM Elmo40: same!
11:19 PM Elmo40: an office tossed 2 of them because 'they were beeping all the time'
11:19 PM Elmo40: just needed batteries.
11:19 PM _unreal_: dude I get so much FREE shit from the luxury yachts its stupid
11:19 PM Elmo40: i have a great source. around $15 for the batteries
11:19 PM _unreal_: are you in the US?
11:19 PM Elmo40: start spreading the love!!
11:20 PM Elmo40: nah. i'm a canuck
11:20 PM Connor: So, Brigeport uses SAE-10 oil for spindle.. Lathe calls for ISO 32 for the Headstock and feed gear box.. 10W = ISO 32 from what I can tell.. would it be okay to substitute or use the same oil ?
11:20 PM Elmo40: yes
11:20 PM Elmo40: now, who's oil are you using? and which type?
11:21 PM Elmo40: a hydraulic oil works rather well. compressor oil, too.
11:21 PM _unreal_: Connor, if they are near the same weight then yes it should be fine. just ensure your not mixing synthetic
11:21 PM Elmo40: i use synthetic AMSOIL in my stuff.
11:21 PM _unreal_: Elmo40, I assume you drained good did a wash and then put in new?
11:21 PM Elmo40: well... about that mixing issue. depends on if it is PAO or PAG based.
11:22 PM _unreal_: synthetic
11:23 PM Connor: Completely drained it. Flushed with kerosene and brake cleaner
11:23 PM Connor: letting it flash off over night.
11:23 PM Elmo40: if you are in Canada or USA, you can get a real high quality oil from here
11:23 PM Elmo40: http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/?zo=5279063
11:24 PM Elmo40: i use it in my work truck and mill. (different product, of course)
11:24 PM Elmo40: the PCH is a ISO32(SAE 10).
11:25 PM Elmo40: i've been using that for about 3 years on my mill and buddies lathe
11:25 PM Elmo40: and my 3D printer ;-)
11:25 PM flyback: yeah my ups's bleeped
11:25 PM flyback: it was only 0.5s
11:25 PM flyback: but they held
11:25 PM flyback: those low end ups's aren't bad for non computer stuff
11:25 PM Elmo40: flyback, without it those pesky electrons get used up quickly!
11:25 PM flyback: router, firewall, etc
11:25 PM flyback: you can't signal to those anyways
11:26 PM flyback: hey did you know some of the commercial ups's have contact closures
11:26 PM flyback: basically relay points
11:26 PM flyback: so if you have some ancient milling machine that does't have enough brains for a serial, etc bus and certainely no way to port ups software top it
11:26 PM Elmo40: i have a cheapy Back-UPS ES 650. was free. worked for 8 minutes in the Summer time when the power died due to a storm.
11:27 PM flyback: but if you short 2 pins on the cnc machine it tells it to do a shutdown
11:27 PM flyback: then you can wire them to contact closure
11:27 PM flyback: I just changed the battery in the ups I got my mom like 15 yrs ago
11:27 PM flyback: I think it only just died in the last few yrs
11:27 PM flyback: but now it's good again
11:27 PM flyback: it'
11:27 PM _unreal_: flyback, I just gave the OK to the machining company to start my cnc machine
11:28 PM _unreal_: $300 in materials just to start..
11:28 PM flyback: oh you are making yourself a nice mill?
11:28 PM flyback: cool
11:28 PM _unreal_: for me FOR work
11:28 PM _unreal_: :)
11:28 PM _unreal_: yes
11:28 PM flyback: oh I think at that price
11:28 PM flyback: even if you made widgets for kids on the street
11:28 PM _unreal_: I'm building a machine that will be equal to a 10k machine
11:28 PM flyback: charge $1
11:28 PM flyback: you would make back the $300 qick
11:28 PM _unreal_: ?
11:29 PM flyback: im saying I don't think you will have any problems making money with it
11:29 PM _unreal_: thats JUST 2 spacers and the square tube that goes on the base that I already have
11:29 PM flyback: Elmo40, the older ups's had a serial mode that just shorted some of the 9 pins
11:30 PM flyback: it sucked for info sending to a pc but useful for non pc stuff
11:30 PM flyback: the es were good units
11:30 PM flyback: the only thing they don't have is the smart charging circuit like the newer "green" ones do
11:30 PM Elmo40: shorting the pins did what?
11:30 PM flyback: apc finally gave up the commerical only feature in their smart line to the back line
11:30 PM Elmo40: it is lead acid, what is smart about the charger??
11:30 PM flyback: to look more "green"
11:30 PM flyback: it doesn't endless trick it
11:30 PM flyback: cuts off
11:31 PM Elmo40: i see
11:31 PM flyback: but they still last yrs
11:31 PM flyback: :)
11:31 PM flyback: firing the 9 pins on a rs232 comveyed signal signals
11:31 PM flyback: on mains
11:31 PM flyback: on battery
11:31 PM flyback: battery low
11:31 PM flyback: battery fucked
11:31 PM _unreal_: there are some that are lion
11:31 PM _unreal_: but I have not seen many
11:31 PM flyback: unreal too expnesive
11:31 PM flyback: unless you are size limited etc
11:32 PM flyback: hang on Elmo40
11:32 PM flyback: https://allpinouts.org/pinouts/cables/miscellaneous/apc-dumb-ups-cable-simple/
11:32 PM flyback: it sucked, outdated and nothing uses it now but quite useful if you had a bunch of arduinos etc on a ups and they didn't have a full serial bus to talk to it
11:33 PM flyback: you could just trigger gpio pins off the serial port
11:33 PM flyback: in dumb signal mode
11:34 PM flyback: some apc don't even have a signal interface
11:34 PM flyback: but they are meant for roku's etc
11:36 PM flyback: basically elmo ignore what I said
11:36 PM flyback: if you have anything that has a usb, rs232 (normal tx/rx terminal) or network signalling ups
11:37 PM flyback: you should use that
11:37 PM flyback: but this legacy dumb mode is useful if you had some electronics that you wanted to trigger a gpio on them that tells them to do a controlled shutdown
11:39 PM flyback: ok?