Oct 15 2019
12:05 AM unreal_ is now known as Guest47474
03:16 AM Deejay: moin
05:04 AM Tom_L: morning
05:13 AM jthornton: morning
05:13 AM pink_vampire: hi jthornton
05:14 AM XXCoder: hey all
05:15 AM jthornton: hey pink
07:29 AM beachbumpete1: Hey folks anyone know why draftsight only seems to save one instance of paper space drawings when you save the file? I have made several versions of paper space with title blocks and printed them fine but once I save it only seems to save one file. Am I doing something wrong?
08:38 AM skunkworks: jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7fy4qBC-g
08:42 AM JT-Shop: kinda short on data, how long is it?
08:44 AM skunkworks: 6 mins
08:45 AM skunkworks: so - if you take a window - like linuxcnc and drag it around the screen - you get realtime delays
08:45 AM skunkworks: but - if you use the G2 gl opengl driver (from raspi-config) it is way better
08:55 AM JT-Shop: thanks
09:15 AM JT-Shop: I need to fire up the Rpi4 just got a 7c81 yesterday to play with
11:50 AM * jthornton had so much fun flying the drone he forgot to go to menards
12:04 PM Loetmichel: Hmpf... Holidays are expensive... I "just" went to the home improvement shop for a few wood panels to pimp a kitchen cabinet at home... 2 hours later: 300 eur gone... but i have a new battery powered circular saw and some other tools... (and the boards and hardware, too) :-)
12:25 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel: unless you go the ChinaCo tools route, with its downsides
12:26 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: it IS a "chinatool"
12:26 PM Loetmichel: "einhell" which is the "toom home improvement shop" brand
12:26 PM Loetmichel: kinda like harbor freight quality
12:28 PM Deejay: hi
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: "ein-hell" sounds like a brand name you'd make up as a joke since the product is so bad
12:33 PM CaptHindsight: one hell
12:34 PM Loetmichel: nope, its not THAT bad
12:34 PM Loetmichel: just average quality. Usable, but nothing to phone home about
12:35 PM CaptHindsight: I have a couple <$20 power tools from walmart purchased after midnight for some help a friend project while traveling
12:36 PM CaptHindsight: the drill chuck regularly gets loose so you have to tighten the screw after some drilling
12:37 PM CaptHindsight: the grinder bearings just get worse and worse over time until you can no longer hold it from the vibration or noise
12:38 PM Loetmichel: yeah, sounds familliar
12:39 PM Loetmichel: einhell quality is a bit better
12:39 PM Loetmichel: its useable, although not meant to inherit it to your kids ;)
12:44 PM CaptHindsight: does anyone air travel with hand tools? Do you put them in your checked bags and hope they arrive or if it's <$200 do you just purchase new ones when you get there?
12:44 PM CaptHindsight: and then UPS?FEDEX them home when you return?
12:47 PM Loetmichel: last time i air travelled i had about 40kg of copper bars and tools in my sports bag... that look on the face of the girl at the baggage counter when the display of the scale stopped at 58 kg ;)
12:47 PM Loetmichel: but that was LOONG before 9/11
12:48 PM Loetmichel: i had a leatherman wave at my belt and they said nothing when i was boarding/trhu security
12:51 PM CaptHindsight: ueah almost 20 years on any everyone still acts like a bunch of fraidy cats
12:55 PM * SpeedEvil ponders computing if more people have died due to taking less safe modes of transport and waiting in line at TSA.
12:56 PM SpeedEvil: Does working for the TSA count as death?
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: pretty sure being of the living dead is a plus for the TSA
01:01 PM jym: Greetings =)
01:22 PM * jthornton takes a minute break
01:23 PM jym: jthornton: QUICK the boss is coming... HIDE!!!
01:24 PM jthornton: too late jym I've already found myself slacking off and ordered myself back to work
01:25 PM jym: jthornton: Well, slaves can't be fired, so you're safe!
01:37 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, I've traveled with a lot of electronics, but I try to put everything in checked baggage. Had a few TSA inspections, but never anything missing. The times I've had to pack suspicious devices in carry-on luggage, there were no issues either.
01:39 PM Rab: OTOH, there's a state surplus outlet in town where they sell items confiscated at the airport. Bins and bins of personal items and tools of all types, e.g. a leatherman/gerber bin, a swiss army knife bin, a folding knife bin...and many bins of hand tools.
01:41 PM Rab: Occasionally you will find something really expensive and esoteric like a pair of manufacturer-brand specialized crimpers, a marker of some tradesperson's bad day at the airport.
01:41 PM Rab: So I guess all that boils down to, tools go in checked luggage.
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: I often travel with just carry-on
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: so I have some extra sets of hey keys and screw drivers I've collected from purchased while away and UPS back home
01:55 PM Rab: I believe (US) airports will let you mail prohibited items to yourself from the airport, then get back in line. So maybe it would be prudent to pack a prepaid USPS flat rate box to expedite that process if you need to.
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: I completely emptied out my laptop bag recently and found that I had made several round trips with a corkscrew in the bottom of the bag
01:56 PM Rab: Obviously not an ideal solution to anything.
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: i once carried on a complete CNC 3-axis all metal router
01:59 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: so what?
02:01 PM CaptHindsight: tools are scary, but a bag full of metal parts was not
02:01 PM Rab: Disassembled? That's cheating!
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: would not have fit in the bag otherwise
02:03 PM Loetmichel: CaptHindsight: as i said: i carrried a duffelbag full of copper rails from a big power distribution box and the tools to crimp 90mm^2 wire lugs and the lugs trhu TSA... back in 1998:-)
02:04 PM Loetmichel: that look the girl gave me when i sat that duffelbag down on the scale and it "jingled"... onehanded... and then she saw the weight ;)
02:04 PM Rab: Loetmichel, there was no TSA in 1998.
02:05 PM Loetmichel: you know what i mean
02:05 PM Rab: I guess so.
02:05 PM Loetmichel: it wasnt TSA anyways
02:05 PM Loetmichel: because it was a flight from germany to maroc
02:05 PM Loetmichel: but still: that wouldnt work today
02:05 PM Loetmichel: as i said above: they didnt even bat an eye about the leatherman wave at my belt
02:06 PM Loetmichel: security check, whatever you will call it
02:06 PM Loetmichel: they WERE concerned about the micro torch i use as a lighter
02:06 PM Loetmichel: so i gifted it to them
02:07 PM Loetmichel: no problem, i always have backup lighters ;)
02:07 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=10414&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- these things
02:08 PM Loetmichel: its funny though to go to the airport and have to clean out the pockets... and the box is to small to hold all the items ;)
02:09 PM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15868&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- thats whats usually in my jeans ;) (plus 2 wallets, one with money, one with papers/ID and drivers license and stuff)
02:13 PM CaptHindsight: has an actual need for cargo pants
02:16 PM Loetmichel: i dont like cargo pants
02:17 PM Loetmichel: the pokets on the legs are no good for heavy stuff, it tends to rub on the legs and causes abrasions
02:22 PM CaptHindsight: didn't they make a cartoon series for someone similar?
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: inspector gadget
02:40 PM * JT-Shop knitted a phone from two broken phones
02:56 PM SpeedEvil: JT-Shop: congratulations.
02:56 PM SpeedEvil: JT-Shop: now put the other two phones together, and ebay as untested.
03:06 PM JT-Shop: only 1 broken phone now
03:49 PM taloot: hello
04:08 PM Deejay: gn8
04:50 PM Tom_L: cradek around?
04:52 PM Tom_L: is there a method in the axis code so when running an offset other than G54 the display of active gcodes would be updated to reflect the proper work offset?
04:53 PM Tom_L: or some linuxcnc status that can be read that would be more up to date with the interpreter?
04:54 PM Tom_L: some guys writing qtpyvcp GUI are asking about it
05:34 PM _unreal_: sup
05:42 PM _unreal_: sigh
05:42 PM Tom_L: stuff
05:45 PM _unreal_: to deal with
05:47 PM _unreal_: :)
05:58 PM * jthornton didn't get much accomplished today...
06:07 PM _unreal_: at work I did :)
06:08 PM _unreal_: O-BTW I just got LCNC weezy install started. figured out the @#$QW#$%#@$wqer security BS
06:08 PM _unreal_: so that i5 system is starting to be installed
06:08 PM _unreal_: its going to be my main controller for the big cnc machine I'm bilding
06:09 PM _unreal_: You know I'm really torn
06:09 PM _unreal_: between getting a mesa controller and going with the PAR ports
06:09 PM _unreal_: because I HAVE to dual boot this machine so that I can have autocad ETC... on it
06:10 PM _unreal_: being at work I cant use the opensource STUFF because no company uses opensource in general
06:10 PM _unreal_: figures
06:17 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, you live?
06:21 PM _unreal_: any one around?
06:21 PM _unreal_: sigh
06:23 PM andypugh: I don’t see amy problem dual-booting a machine with a Mesa card. The machine will just not know how to use it in Windows/
06:24 PM _unreal_: :) hehe not what I mean
06:24 PM _unreal_: if I dual boot with PAR ports then I'm going to get a lot of random data/control signals
06:25 PM _unreal_: The other options is to just linuxboot it and ditch the win side
06:25 PM _unreal_: but if I do that I'm goign to make it so that I have to have an other computer for doing cad work
06:25 PM _unreal_: I do but I'm thinking like an other laptop or somethin
06:25 PM _unreal_: I just dont want the machine to do be doing a anything random that was not expecte
06:25 PM _unreal_: d
06:26 PM _unreal_: I just stopped by the machine shop today thats building it to tell them HAY HURRY THE F up
06:29 PM _unreal_: so many people and no one around
06:29 PM jthornton: I don't count?
06:30 PM _unreal_: anyone but ;)
06:30 PM _unreal_: :p warm pale ale
06:30 PM Tom_L: lots of driving today
06:31 PM _unreal_: heh Tom_L that was me last week
06:31 PM _unreal_: LOTS
06:31 PM jthornton: where did you go?
06:31 PM _unreal_: hell and back
06:31 PM Tom_L: W SW ks
06:31 PM Tom_L: made a big loop
06:31 PM jthornton: wow that is a big loop
06:31 PM _unreal_: w sw ks?
06:31 PM Tom_L: well, kingman
06:32 PM Tom_L: then s to almost Ok
06:32 PM jthornton: I got some more flight time on the drone today and learned some more about the interface
06:32 PM _unreal_: drone
06:32 PM _unreal_: ?
06:32 PM Tom_L: get the tablet working?
06:32 PM _unreal_: whats a drone
06:32 PM Tom_L: a spy thing
06:32 PM jthornton: DJI Phantom 3 Professional
06:33 PM jthornton: yea got the tablet yesterday and sorted it all out this morning... dang thing is huge lol
06:33 PM jthornton: James Bond...
06:33 PM _unreal_: jthornton, muhahhahaahahahahahahh
06:33 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAcW05dWktU2JoWjQ
06:33 PM gregcnc: the things that destroyed the model aircraft hobby
06:33 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAa2NIdmxsVlZXVk0
06:34 PM _unreal_: jthornton, my props are 13"
06:34 PM Tom_L: we're about due for another one of those
06:35 PM _unreal_: jthornton, ?
06:35 PM gregcnc: more restriction on flying models coming hopefully doesn't kill off some types of models entirely
06:35 PM jthornton: cool
06:35 PM jthornton: really?
06:36 PM _unreal_: jthornton, gregcnc USA or other country?
06:36 PM _unreal_: jthornton, what cha think?
06:36 PM gregcnc: usa, hard altitude limits, with unknown methods of enforcement
06:36 PM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MZ6BV61
06:36 PM _unreal_: o,O
06:36 PM jthornton: I have that one as well as a 6 motor larger one
06:37 PM Tom_L: build one you can sit in
06:37 PM _unreal_: jthornton, my frame is 1 lb
06:37 PM jthornton: I like the phantom better than all the rest of my fleet
06:37 PM _unreal_: carbon fiber WEB cage,
06:38 PM Tom_L: about 4 rotak engines...
06:38 PM jthornton: lol
06:38 PM Tom_L: opposing rotors
06:38 PM gregcnc: http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/amagov/2019/10/07/fightforflight/
06:38 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, I had a company make a special jig so I can make a drone in any fastion I want
06:38 PM jthornton: gave up on flying for real a while back, need a set of plans for a Benson?
06:38 PM _unreal_: if your looking for any kind of a custom design I can build it
06:39 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAVTFPT3UwVEF6S2s
06:39 PM * jthornton checks his data usage...
06:40 PM _unreal_: My frames are feather light
06:40 PM jthornton: what flight controller do you use?
06:40 PM _unreal_: pixhawk
06:40 PM _unreal_: opensource
06:41 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAalQ5ZTJkc1duZ0U
06:41 PM jthornton: I've never tried that one, can you program in way points?
06:41 PM jthornton: out of data...
06:41 PM _unreal_: YES
06:41 PM _unreal_: YES AND LOTS LOTS LOTSLOTS LOTS LOTSLOTS LOTS LOTSLOTS LOTS LOTSLOTS LOTS LOTS
06:41 PM _unreal_: MORE
06:42 PM _unreal_: out of data?
06:42 PM _unreal_: are you using your phone for internet
06:42 PM Tom_L: jthornton, my bud's dad used to restore stearman
06:42 PM Tom_L: had a hangar with a couple experimental aircraft in it as well
06:43 PM _unreal_: back in a bit need to make dinind
06:43 PM _unreal_: dindin
06:43 PM _unreal_: heh
06:43 PM _unreal_: with luck XXCoder is online when I get back
06:45 PM jthornton: I'd like to get my Tarot 650 into the air
06:46 PM jthornton: opps it's a tarot 960
06:46 PM jthornton: 18" props
06:46 PM _unreal_: hum
06:47 PM gregcnc: what do you carry?
06:47 PM _unreal_: jthornton, if your ever looking for making a super custom as I said I have the tooling to do so
06:47 PM jthornton: it's built and ready for a flight controller
06:47 PM _unreal_: and I can do it in any FRP material
06:47 PM _unreal_: :)
06:47 PM _unreal_: I've made one's that are saltwater proof
06:48 PM jthornton: nice
06:48 PM _unreal_: jthornton, "infusion"
06:48 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAWHprcmpfQ29ENFE
06:48 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3vL4RqyNgQAbnRFZk5VSnNMZ00
06:48 PM jthornton: which pixhawk do you use
06:49 PM _unreal_: I have one from 3+ years ago
06:49 PM jthornton: that's a good sign
06:50 PM jthornton: can the pixhawk do a return to home?
06:50 PM _unreal_: my small quads I like controllers like the airmini amaze
06:50 PM _unreal_: yes
06:51 PM _unreal_: return to home. multi controller intpus like digital low freq... and high freq
06:51 PM _unreal_: I have a 433mhz digital controller setup on that one. and I have my turananis setup as well
06:51 PM jthornton: nice, I need to get the tarot 960 in the air
06:52 PM _unreal_: so I can control it with a tablet with a USB dongle And manually control it with my taranus
06:52 PM _unreal_: or with a loaptop if I choose
06:52 PM _unreal_: but that makes it easy to setup WAYPOINTS
06:52 PM jthornton: that's what I want to do
06:52 PM * jthornton goes to tuck the chickens in
06:52 PM _unreal_: jthornton,
06:53 PM _unreal_: my opinion
06:53 PM _unreal_: if you what to have FREEDOM of flight but also respect the rules.
06:53 PM _unreal_: go with pixhawk
06:53 PM _unreal_: and DUAL controller system as I mentioned. with multi freq.
06:54 PM _unreal_: less chance of loosing control and with the digital direct link you can do WAYPOIN control and custom flying methods ETC...
06:54 PM _unreal_: lets say you need to fly at a 45 degree angle to something
06:54 PM _unreal_: so you can see what it is your looking at AND still flight in a straight line and not hit anything
06:55 PM _unreal_: problem with DJI is that its SEMI stupid proofed AND very FCC tight
06:55 PM jthornton: yea but easy to fly
06:56 PM jthornton: tell me more about the dual controller system
06:58 PM jym: IS there an alternative for black pipe (propane usage)?
06:59 PM Tom_L: copper?
06:59 PM jym: Tom_L for propane?
06:59 PM gregcnc: maybe if code allows
07:00 PM Tom_L: copper is safe for LP, but not recommended for natural gas. due to "concerns over corrosion and flaking of copper tubing, copper is not allowed for use on natural gas work in some localities" (see reference)
07:00 PM jym: I saw some SS yellow stuff, but I think it needs speacial tools for fittings
07:02 PM jym: I don't trust this, we have burring animals... https://www.homedepot.com/p/HOME-FLEX-1-in-IPS-x-100-ft-DR-11-Underground-Yellow-Polyethylene-Gas-Pipe-19-111100/301892365
07:05 PM Tom_L: just ask them kindly not to chew a hole thru it
07:05 PM jym: THIS... https://www.lowes.com/pd/PRO-FLEX-1-2-in-CSST-Pipe-Kit/3573156
07:06 PM jym: Tom_L They don't listen, but they DO listen to the moth balls I toss in the holes in their tunnels
07:06 PM jthornton: hmm chow time here
07:07 PM jym: jthornton: Whats on the bbq today?
07:10 PM jym: Tom_L gregcnc CSST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw0IBla9trs
07:12 PM gregcnc: oh that looks good. our code says you can't touch gas pipe without a license
07:16 PM jym: gregcnc: Even for DIY?
07:16 PM gregcnc: that is my understanding
07:16 PM jym: gregcnc: Canada?
07:16 PM gregcnc: IL
07:16 PM jym: ah
07:17 PM jym: gregcnc: This is propane, so IDK
07:18 PM jym: gregcnc: 10ft of black pipe is $24, but the fittings I think are what I think will kill me
07:23 PM jym: Crud, not for outdoor use =(
07:40 PM jym: Ok, I lied, just need to use special sealing tape/sleeve
08:55 PM _unreal_: jthornton, dual control
08:56 PM _unreal_: so that would be using something like a taranus contoller setup or any other... in the 2.4ghz range
08:56 PM _unreal_: I stronglly suggest a taranus
08:56 PM _unreal_: upto 32channels of digital control
08:58 PM _unreal_: jthornton, https://hobbyking.com/en_us/fpv-radio-telemetry-kit-915mhz.html just an example
09:16 PM _unreal_: jthornton, https://drones.altigator.com/radio-telemetry-kit-a-for-pixhawk-433mhz-p-42334.html
09:23 PM jesseg: Howdy
10:38 PM pink_vampire|2 is now known as pink_vampire
11:59 PM drdoc: Hrrrm
11:59 PM drdoc: a 54A power supply for a 4A device would be Bad, yes?