Oct 10 2019
12:38 AM sensille: morning
12:50 AM sensille: pretty much :) still somewhat early for most in this TZ
12:51 AM miss0r: I do machine repairs for a living, so I get up early to go to the factories when they open. So this is almost an hour into my workday
12:52 AM sensille: i just like to get up early
12:52 AM sensille: did you finish your work on that controller yesterday?
12:52 AM miss0r: I have two kids age 4Years & 8months. so getting up early is not a question of prefrence
12:53 AM miss0r: nope. The spare parts will get here today
12:53 AM miss0r: I just ordered them yesterday
12:53 AM sensille: kids are great :)
12:54 AM miss0r: After my morning coffee I tend to agree
12:54 AM miss0r: before... not with certainty..
12:57 AM sensille: you certainly don't have to agree every minute :)
01:01 AM miss0r: I will most likely repair the controller later today - reinstalling it monday - I will let you know if it was a success.
01:10 AM sensille: -if ;)
02:03 AM Deejay: moin
04:20 AM XXCoder: 28f at one area on way home. wow
04:20 AM XXCoder: first ice frost too
04:31 AM taloot: paraport era has ended
04:34 AM XXCoder: and what is paraport?
04:35 AM andypugh_ is now known as andypugh
04:38 AM XXCoder: yo
04:38 AM taloot: did you fix your asroc
04:38 AM taloot: asrock
04:48 AM Tom_L: morning
04:48 AM XXCoder: yo
04:49 AM sensille: taloot: ... has ended for you?
05:21 AM jthornton: morning
05:23 AM XXCoder: yo
05:23 AM XXCoder: jthornton: they finally sold off old fadal lool
05:27 AM jthornton: for scrap price?
05:27 AM XXCoder: maybe? dunnop
05:27 AM XXCoder: its been on sale for 2 years
05:44 AM jthornton: I replaced the screen on my galaxy s4 yesterday but something is still wrong with it, it doesn't seem to make a call
05:44 AM XXCoder: can you browse stuff on it?
05:44 AM XXCoder: ie use cellular data
05:45 AM jthornton: I didn't try to use the browser, I put the sim back in the phone with the broken camera yesterday
05:45 AM jthornton: I'll try some different things today
06:21 AM taloot: mesa store iis the worest estore i have ever seen
06:21 AM jthornton: which one?
06:22 AM taloot: the whole website
06:23 AM jthornton: which store?
06:23 AM taloot: very misleadiing
06:23 AM taloot: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=83_85&page=2
06:23 AM jthornton: try mesaus.com
06:24 AM jthornton: I don't see anything misleading on that page
06:24 AM taloot: wonderfull
06:24 AM taloot: the one you gave me
06:25 AM taloot: not like the one i sent to you?
06:25 AM taloot: i never saw this website
06:25 AM jthornton: that's my store
06:26 AM sensille: that's a lot of cards ...
06:26 AM taloot: and the other one.... for whom
06:27 AM taloot: since when you have this site up?
06:27 AM jthornton: the other one is Mesa
06:27 AM jthornton: about 3-4 years now
06:27 AM taloot: your site is good
06:28 AM jthornton: thank you
06:28 AM taloot: mesa site from freetel days
06:28 AM sync: I don't see anything misleading on it tho
06:29 AM jthornton: confusing with all the cards maybe
06:29 AM taloot: yes
06:29 AM taloot: and old pci
06:29 AM taloot: now i have servo
06:29 AM taloot: absloute
06:30 AM taloot: which board should ii i te
06:30 AM taloot: take
06:30 AM taloot: to run the servo. in Velocity mode
06:30 AM taloot: 0-10v
06:31 AM taloot: 7148?
06:31 AM jthornton: normally a 7i77 for servos with your choice of 5i25/6i25 or 7i92 depends on how you connect to the pc
06:33 AM jthornton: 7i48 can be used with 5i24/6i24 or 7i80 or 7i93
06:33 AM jthornton: 7i77 is more common
06:33 AM taloot: i order 3cards in your siite
06:33 AM taloot: but shippiiing is expasiiive
06:34 AM jthornton: to where?
06:34 AM taloot: Saudi Arabia
06:34 AM sensille: taloot: how can you live with that 'i'-key?
06:34 AM taloot: sorry man keyboard is broken
06:35 AM jthornton: yea shipping is usps priority to Saudi Arabia
06:35 AM sensille: obviously :)
06:36 AM taloot: ii may let you shiip iit to my sister,, she iiis studyiing iin stanford
06:36 AM taloot: let me try it
06:36 AM jthornton: that would be much cheaper
06:36 AM taloot: yes
06:37 AM jthornton: and depending on the weight the store might offer first class
06:37 AM taloot: yeah but shippiing is high compariing to amazon and new egg
06:38 AM taloot: also my sister told me shipping from cali iis expansiive
06:39 AM jthornton: yea but you pay for cheap shipping on amazon once a year
06:39 AM taloot: no most of tim
06:40 AM taloot: time.. but theyare special case
06:43 AM taloot: why mesa dont have anythiing for fiber laser
06:43 AM taloot: its a trendiing now
06:43 AM taloot: torch hieght control
06:43 AM taloot: only chiinese cnc system avaliable
06:43 AM taloot: very expansiive
06:44 AM jthornton: Mesa has torch height control
06:46 AM jthornton: chickens are awake
06:47 AM taloot: for fiber laser?
06:47 AM taloot: or for plasma>?
06:47 AM jthornton: plasma
06:47 AM taloot: http://www.fscut.com/
06:47 AM taloot: this is the only option for chinese laser
06:48 AM taloot: i need acoustc headtraccking
06:48 AM taloot: thats all
06:49 AM taloot: fiiber laser growing at ccrazy rate
06:49 AM taloot: very heap in china.. i have diret contact wiiith tt hem
06:50 AM XXCoder: I always wanted a laser machine for engraving, light cutting but little too expebsive for me
06:50 AM XXCoder: I would have to build a case too lol
06:50 AM taloot: i can help you
06:50 AM taloot: 500w
06:51 AM XXCoder: maybe in future, no room now. my cnc router is also idle
06:51 AM taloot: but u need high pressure air or o2
06:51 AM taloot: im about to buy 2kw
06:52 AM XXCoder: cool. :) whats your 2kw cost in usd?
06:52 AM taloot: 14500
06:52 AM taloot: this is speciia price
06:52 AM taloot: latest prie
06:52 AM XXCoder: 14k usd eh. interesting
06:53 AM taloot: yes
06:53 AM taloot: last year it was 28K
06:53 AM XXCoder: pretty large machine I guess?
06:53 AM taloot: 3 u rack mount
06:54 AM taloot: looks like pc
06:55 AM gregcnc: xxcoder just a laser
06:56 AM XXCoder: 14k usd laser? geez
06:56 AM taloot: yes laser source only
06:56 AM taloot: u need chiiller and cutting hea
06:56 AM taloot: ABOUT 1500$
06:56 AM taloot: the head
06:57 AM XXCoder: dang too much for me :)
06:57 AM taloot: go for 500w
06:57 AM taloot: 5900 usd
06:57 AM sensille: you can buy 5W instead
06:57 AM taloot: there is used IPG
06:57 AM taloot: @ 3500$
06:58 AM taloot: tap and slots... fantastiic wiithlaser ut
06:58 AM taloot: cut
06:59 AM XXCoder: if im successful on my goals I would get something like that
06:59 AM XXCoder: but it ,ay be years :(
06:59 AM jthornton: I get some parts cut out with laser for my Spyder Store
07:00 AM taloot: price gowing downs day after day
07:01 AM taloot: but the acocustic if i ican solve it
07:01 AM taloot: then i can use lCNC
07:02 AM taloot: i will design a device for it in china
09:36 AM taloot: I THINK ican use this
09:36 AM taloot: seriously mesa guies, please tryt find slouton for the height control for fiber laser
09:38 AM taloot: i wonder why there isnt linuxccnc fiiber lasaer
10:47 AM jym: Blackout, day 2... OH JOY
10:49 AM jym: 6am, in the dark, was rewiring the cable to the generator. So NOW I should have the full 120v/30A available to me, instead of the inrush popping the generator breaker =)
10:51 AM jym: I'll test it out later today with the clamp on amp meter.
10:52 AM jym: Then I get to see why my ODB2 port is dead. I think when I got a smog the other day, their equipment popped a fuse (hopefully that's all it is)
10:53 AM jym: Heh, somebody took a shot at a PG&E truck
10:53 AM jym: pcw_home: WB
12:21 PM taloot: im done send my regards to the shareholder
01:28 PM drdoc: chain saw motor?
01:29 PM drdoc: somebody mentioned using the motor from an electric chainsaw for a spindle the other day
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: yuse whatcha got
01:34 PM drdoc: used chainsaws are a dollar a dozen around here; I'm just looking for info on how to choose
01:35 PM * drdoc grew up on the plains, literally never used a chainsaw
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: spindle power and speed requirements?
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: rpm vs power/torque
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: what do you need/want?
01:35 PM JT-Shop: if it's orange and says Sthil and runs it's a good one
01:36 PM drdoc: well, right now I'm running a 1/6hp 18,000rpm foredom
01:36 PM drdoc: and I don't have a lot of tools to work around
01:37 PM drdoc: so, mostly:
01:37 PM drdoc: 1) battery-powered or corded?
01:37 PM drdoc: 2) how do you fit a collet to the shaft?
01:38 PM drdoc: I use a 24V power source, so I'm guessing an 18-20V battery-powered would give me PWM control?
01:39 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: optimally, high-speed, decent torque would be my choice
01:39 PM drdoc: But the Makita router I have bookmarked is $100, vs $10-15 for a chainsaw
01:40 PM drdoc: so you cold say I'm very flexible.
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: the bearings on a chainsaw motor won't be very tight
01:40 PM drdoc: that was the next question
01:40 PM CaptHindsight: the application only requires that it spin under load
01:40 PM drdoc: I'm a lot more concerned with runout
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: so you'll have some runout if you drive directly
01:41 PM drdoc: so I need something I could upgrade the bearings?
01:41 PM drdoc: or build a belt drive
01:41 PM CaptHindsight: you could have the motor and belt to another pulley with spindle bearings
01:41 PM drdoc: yes
01:42 PM drdoc: I actually had been thinking about something like that anyway
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: this will also allow you to have a speed ratio to increase/decrease speed or torque
01:42 PM drdoc: right
01:43 PM drdoc: I have a $48 micro-drill that has ridiculously tight runout
01:44 PM drdoc: I had thought about adapting that for a spindle
01:44 PM gregcnc: fark I hope none of you is ever blessed with having to track down bearings with high temp grease
01:44 PM drdoc: gregcnc: btdt
01:45 PM drdoc: although it was 3.15" bearings
01:45 PM drdoc: err
01:45 PM drdoc: 3.125"
01:45 PM CaptHindsight: http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=103769.0
01:46 PM drdoc: we ended up getting them from a foundry in Pennsylvania
01:46 PM gregcnc: eh these where 6205 and 6004, but I spoke with a guy he said he knew what I wanted confirmed suffixes and then had standard stock waiting for me after I drove almost an hour
01:46 PM drdoc: that's actually not awful
01:47 PM drdoc: thew biggest problem I had was finding somebody who could converse intelligently
01:48 PM gregcnc: I could get std bearings for 1/8th the price at my usual place
01:48 PM drdoc: yes
01:50 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: thanks!
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: electric lawn mower is another
01:56 PM drdoc: they're a lot more expensive
01:57 PM drdoc: one of my buddies used to harvest 48VDC motors out of treadmills
01:58 PM drdoc: if I remember right max rpm was around 3600
01:59 PM gregcnc: but you still need a spindle
02:00 PM drdoc: yes
02:02 PM drdoc: it comes down to whether adapting a cheap motor works as well as and costs less than a $100 router + $40 collet kit
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: Am I just lucky or is Amamzon really starting to suck with late deliveries and missing parts?
03:17 PM XXCoder: maybe someones stealing packages off your deck
03:17 PM XXCoder: that crimes trending up pretty lot :(
03:17 PM JT-Shop: we had a rash of mailbox thefts of packages only
03:18 PM SpeedEvil: In lieu of wages, employees are allowed now to steal three packages a month.
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: nothing stolen, just missing parts from sealed boxes
03:21 PM CaptHindsight: and late deliveries
03:21 PM XXCoder: dunno, i once ordered 4 items, got 3 in box, then another package with one
03:21 PM XXCoder: first was big box, plenty of room for one more item
03:22 PM CaptHindsight: more like false delivery times
03:23 PM CaptHindsight: they list : Have it by (2 days from now) for $35 and then the next day you get a email saying that it's delayed
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: so it's 3-6 days
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: then you have to contact them for a refund
03:24 PM XXCoder: heh ill never use priority again. I ordered google fi phone, high priority one day delivery
03:24 PM XXCoder: well it did transit in a day
03:24 PM XXCoder: after 2 weeks processing
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: it's not UPS or FEDEX, it's just shipped too late that or the next day, something like at 11:53 pm
03:26 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: I've gotten a lot of the missing-parts or straight-up wrong item from Amazon lately
03:27 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: were they Amazon stocked or 3rd party sellers?
03:27 PM CaptHindsight: I'm having trouble with both
03:27 PM drdoc: 3rd-party, every one
03:27 PM drdoc: there are a *lot* of Amazon "import/export" sellers operating on percentages
03:28 PM drdoc: they sell trash and deliver worse, assuming that some percentage of buyers will just cut their losses
03:28 PM drdoc: then when they stack enough negative reviews the reappear with a different bank acount & name
03:28 PM CaptHindsight: I bet they have figured out some way to game the shipping as well
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: I paid $30 for 2-day delivery and then they said it was for 2-8 day delivery
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: I didn't have a screen shot of when I made my choice
03:29 PM drdoc: I've been told, by an ex-relative who lives in Shanghai, that the Chinese government subsidizes packet-mail shipping to the US
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: yes it does
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: the rates are being renegotiated this year
03:29 PM CaptHindsight: i expect them to rise
03:29 PM drdoc: I recently ordered 2 high-end keyboards for a lot less than their worth
03:30 PM drdoc: 2 weeks later I received 2 *very* shoddy "generic" phone cases
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: I've pretty much stopped buying anything Chinese made
03:30 PM drdoc: likewise, if I can avoid it
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: i still buy from Korea and Taiwan
03:31 PM drdoc: the seller who shipped me those phone cases didn't even bother to have them shipped back
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: otherwise it's all scammy or crap
03:31 PM drdoc: yep
03:31 PM drdoc: can't even blame them, really
03:31 PM CaptHindsight: the only China made anything lately has been from USA supplier
03:32 PM XXCoder: you would have to stop buying huge amount of tech
03:32 PM drdoc: a decent 32-tooth 2GT timing pulley costs ~$8-15, depending on bore and manufacturer
03:32 PM CaptHindsight: motherboards, ram, HD's etc are about it
03:32 PM drdoc: anybody who can sell them $20/dozen is cutting some broad corners
03:33 PM SpeedEvil: I did a very rough basic survey and found that in pretty much all classes of components (capacitors, RAM, ...) you can get stuff made in USA
03:33 PM SpeedEvil: But.
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: lots of USA tech is China stuff that has been fixed, like machine tools
03:33 PM SpeedEvil: You are going to have to explicitly design often with non-usual parts.
03:33 PM drdoc: XXCoder: I will buy chinese-made gear from a reputable stateside company
03:33 PM XXCoder: finally rememnered name. foxconn
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: they have the Chinese cast for them but all the machining is done in the USA
03:33 PM drdoc: on the assumption that the US side is doing their own QA on the import goods
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
03:34 PM XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers dont buy those stuff
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: QC in China is a joke
03:34 PM drdoc: I have a couple of chinese knives that are *very* good quality
03:34 PM XXCoder: apple, microsoft, sony among bunch other names
03:34 PM SpeedEvil: QC in china is as good as you are willing to pay for.
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: I have walked through QC areas there with the anti-static booties and calibrated parts in refrigerators
03:34 PM drdoc: but again, bought through a US vendor
03:34 PM SpeedEvil: Including actually having your own people there.
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: it was spotless since it was never used :)
03:35 PM drdoc: and bought on the assumption that I'd complete the fit & finish work
03:35 PM XXCoder: dr still child labor they call "internship"
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: prison labor as well
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: until they need your liver
03:35 PM drdoc: I have zero issues with buying prisoner-built items
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: I'm picky about my livers :)
03:36 PM XXCoder: I do if its extreme conditions
03:36 PM drdoc: but where I know a company is working children, I don't buy
03:36 PM XXCoder: do you own microsoft or apple products?
03:36 PM XXCoder: or anything made in foxconn?
03:37 PM drdoc: I have my last 2 Apple items on Ebay at the moment
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: it's a different world there
03:37 PM drdoc: as far as I know, the only 2 foxconn items I own were made in 88 or 89
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: women and children are 2nd class
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: boys rank a bit higher
03:37 PM XXCoder: thats good :) I do have one apple alumboard keyboard I bought in mid 0s
03:38 PM XXCoder: it was before I knew of foxconn
03:38 PM drdoc: and I have a very unpopular viewpoint about the way adults are treated in other countries
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: if you were to discus this with the average Chinese on the street they would think that you are odd for thinking different
03:38 PM drdoc: I'm all about providing education and resources to improve anyone's standard of living
03:38 PM XXCoder: capt I dont give a bit about what others think
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: women and children are property
03:39 PM XXCoder: any kind of "someone else"
03:39 PM drdoc: but I have ethical issues with dictating *anyone's* morals orsocial standards
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: it's how China has been for many many years
03:39 PM XXCoder: it was same in usa for long time
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: that is why they are heavily censoring outside news and info
03:40 PM XXCoder: and still is in some regions
03:40 PM CaptHindsight: they don't want the average Chinese to know about the rest of the world
03:40 PM drdoc: the US, in particular, has a global reputation for sticking its nose where it's not wanted
03:40 PM XXCoder: drdoc: indeed. thats why I have more general ethos for world, and more specific for myself
03:40 PM drdoc: a very well-earned reputation
03:40 PM XXCoder: inequality is very hard to get rid of.
03:41 PM drdoc: XXCoder: that, exactly, is my stand
03:41 PM XXCoder: and child labor is "over the line"
03:41 PM drdoc: what I can do in action, not telling people, is my business and my responsibility
03:43 PM drdoc: XXCoder: I was drawing a paycheck at 9 years old.
03:43 PM drdoc: Counting 1/2" bolts, nuts & washers into shipping packages in my family's factory
03:43 PM XXCoder: congats?
03:44 PM drdoc: I considered it a privilege then, and still do
03:44 PM XXCoder: was you forced to work for 12 hours?
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/10/south-park-china-chinese-censorship
03:44 PM XXCoder: was you forced to schulude pee times?
03:44 PM XXCoder: or bottle pee?
03:44 PM drdoc: XXCoder: just offering a different perspective
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/arts/television/south-park-china.html
03:45 PM jdh: child labor, or privilige
03:45 PM drdoc: you're talking about slave labor, not child labor
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: how about Mexican child labor?
03:46 PM drdoc: I have no idea
03:46 PM XXCoder: me either
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: is that OK as long as they have a relative that works at a Chilis here?
03:46 PM drdoc: I know that I was proud to be part of my family's success
03:47 PM drdoc: and that even though I never actually saw cash from that, the fact that I was earning money for my future was a big fucking deal
03:48 PM drdoc: my point is not that child labor is fine
03:48 PM drdoc: my point is that very few things are all black & white
03:48 PM XXCoder: never said it was
03:49 PM drdoc: so...
03:49 PM drdoc: I don't buy Apple or Nike
03:49 PM XXCoder: precisely.
03:49 PM drdoc: I support organizations that provide health care & any kind of education
03:50 PM drdoc: I recycle, rejoice in the fact that Austin recently started providing compost collection too, and do my best to be aware of the resources I consume
03:51 PM drdoc: what happens in Mexico or China is outside both my sphere of knowledge and my ability to affect
03:56 PM roycroft: eugene started compost collection last week
03:56 PM roycroft: i make my own compost, so it doesn't affect me
03:56 PM roycroft: but it's good for most folks, if they do it
04:04 PM * JT-Shop makes chicken poop compost
04:12 PM Deejay: gn8
04:13 PM XXCoder: chicken poop -> compost -> plants -> chicken poop
04:18 PM SpeedEvil: I think you missed a -> chicken in there somewhere
04:29 PM JT-Shop: yea the chickens have to scratch it all up before the poop and sawdust or paper goes in
04:43 PM JT-Shop: XXCoder: made some short flights with the DJI Phantom today, quite nice position holding
04:44 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop have you messed any with geting a cycle timer in qtpyvcp?
04:45 PM Tom_L: i can't seem to figure out this stuff
04:45 PM Tom_L: saw your new toy yesterday
04:45 PM Tom_L: fun
04:53 PM JT-Shop: you can use the timer in linuxcnc, but no I've not created one yet
05:06 PM _unreal_: So what do I need to do to try and get this EFI bios to boot lcnc install media so I can dual boot?
05:34 PM drdoc: _unreal_: in the BIOS, disable secure boot and set boot priority to legacy
05:37 PM _unreal_: I dont think it has secure boot
05:37 PM _unreal_: what would that be under in the bios?
05:58 PM * _unreal_ PALM TO FACE
05:59 PM * _unreal_ PALM TO FACE PALM TO FACE PALM TO FACE PALM TO FACE PALM TO FACE PALM TO FACE
05:59 PM _unreal_: DADDY I think something is wrong with this costume? turns it upside down and dumps a lot of particals because its falling apart onto the floor
06:00 PM _unreal_: "why" must children be so adorable
06:01 PM SpeedEvil: Because the ones that weren't got murdered early on.
06:27 PM _unreal_: !!!! DING
06:44 PM CaptHindsight: The Origin Of Baby Names https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg9w0YSMLHY
07:40 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Swapping the XY on one end of the cable and flipping the gen switch to 120V, resolved the issue.
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: good thing you sorted that out
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: did you become movie night god and village entertainment director?
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: other games you might play without power: Throw it in the fire
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: you take turns throwing things into a fire pit and see what happens
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: What's that smell?
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: Everyone guesses what and where the odor is coming from.
08:27 PM drdoc: _unreal_: usually in the security tab, but I've seen it put under "Bout" or "Startup"
08:27 PM drdoc: Boot*
09:42 PM _unreal_: hello I'm back
09:42 PM _unreal_: took my daughter out to eat, then had to go to meet my father at his girl friends house to get some "book cases" I didnt want and really dont want now that I have gotten them :p
09:42 PM _unreal_: total crap and no room
10:05 PM roycroft: so your father talked you into hauling the bookcases to the goodwill for his gf :)