Oct 06 2019
12:05 AM _unreal_: so I got rid of the two harddrives that were in the desktop and put a single 1tb drive in
12:10 AM _unreal_: will be interesting to see if the fucker continues to work or looses its BOOT as well
12:50 AM jesseg: hey guys, right around 2 minutes, the video depicts some heat treatment that involves wrapping in wire and soaking in some goop before heating and quenching.. Anyone know what the wire is for and what the goop is? https://vimeo.com/288711470
12:51 AM XXCoder: wire to hold goop together I think
12:52 AM jesseg: that's what I'm thinking
12:52 AM XXCoder: since vimeo dont support captioning i got no idea whats being spoken there
12:52 AM jesseg: there's no voice
12:52 AM jesseg: it's just music
12:54 AM jesseg: Here's a similar trick on youtube: https://youtu.be/3PwAQZNLy0I?t=81
12:54 AM jesseg: but again, no voice
12:54 AM jesseg: just music
12:54 AM XXCoder: think I found it a second
12:56 AM XXCoder: thats secondary channel for clickspring
12:56 AM XXCoder: he does talk in main
12:56 AM jesseg: oh cool
12:56 AM XXCoder: maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOw9WqMOHjA
12:58 AM t4nk-freenode: jeeeeessseeeeeeeeeGggg!!!!!! my rock in stormy waters
12:58 AM * t4nk-freenode smashes to pieces :|
12:58 AM XXCoder: jesseg: you havent heard of clickspring?
01:00 AM jesseg: no hadn't
01:00 AM XXCoder: maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFWSaffwZOo
01:00 AM XXCoder: oh man man youre in for treat
01:01 AM XXCoder: unfortunately hes on hatius after he discovered something about his current project that he had to cut off hard to work with scientists to publish a paper
01:01 AM XXCoder: then he plans to resume afterwards
01:01 AM jesseg: hmm, I was vaguely familiar with regular case hardening where carbon black is sealed off with the bit, but I had not seen a white paste
01:02 AM XXCoder: drat he dont use white paste on that one either
01:02 AM XXCoder: cant remember when he did
01:06 AM XXCoder: found one where he uses it but didnt say what white stuff is lol
01:06 AM jesseg: lol
01:07 AM XXCoder: watch all his videos anyway heh
01:08 AM XXCoder: salt or lead baths hmm
01:08 AM XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quenching#Quench_hardening
01:08 AM jesseg: I have one more question, if I may... It looks like he puts the work piece in a tray of shavings and it makes it turn color...: https://youtu.be/3PwAQZNLy0I?t=104
01:09 AM jesseg: I'm generally familiar with quench hardening
01:09 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXzyCM23WPI
01:09 AM jesseg: so I figure the workpiece flames when quenched because he's quenching it in oil
01:09 AM XXCoder: he talks about color a lot if I recall on this one
01:10 AM XXCoder: ya it says something about salt or lead before oil cooling so dunnpo
01:11 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uST7iJgC_gs even better one
01:11 AM XXCoder: he actually makes tool for bluing parts. larger area
01:15 AM XXCoder: he truly is a master
01:16 AM XXCoder: i went into "withdraw" when he stopped making videos for few months. hes "sorta back" with side projects as hes busy with paper.
01:20 AM jesseg: hmm, well in that video it mentioned he was bluing it but it looked like he just heated it and then quenched it when it reached the correct color
01:20 AM XXCoder: I think it was early video before he had equipment specific to that
01:21 AM XXCoder: looks like it requires being surrounded by metal but dunno
01:21 AM XXCoder: hence pile of chips in that box he made (last link)
02:09 AM Deejay: moin
04:36 AM sensille: i still don't know if i love or hate my language ... "Segmentwälzfräser"
05:16 AM Loetmichel: sensille: a.k.a a mill bit that is meant for hoziontal milling and has carbide inserts?
05:17 AM Loetmichel: ah, gear hobbing. i see
05:31 AM sensille: one day i want a 4th axis
05:31 AM XXCoder: sens you could make one
05:31 AM XXCoder: depends on what you wanna make with it anyway
05:33 AM sensille: probably need to buy at least the chucks
05:33 AM XXCoder: some planet gear setup, and stepper
05:42 AM sensille: so a chinese 4th-axis setup would probably easiest for a start
05:42 AM XXCoder: likely
05:42 AM XXCoder: pink made a 4th axis using milled plastic and spindle
05:43 AM XXCoder: not sure how she made it positionable
05:43 AM Tom_L: morning
05:43 AM XXCoder: yo
05:48 AM sensille: problem is lack of z height
05:48 AM XXCoder: well I had this conceptal 4th axis
05:48 AM sensille: only 60mm travel or so
05:48 AM XXCoder: its posited OUTSIDE machining area
05:48 AM XXCoder: but collet points inward
05:49 AM XXCoder: so stock would be rotating right above bed
05:49 AM TwoTall is now known as C-me
05:49 AM XXCoder: properly setup, it gives you somewhat less than 60mm for your machine
05:50 AM sensille: low rider axis
05:50 AM XXCoder: basically.
05:50 AM XXCoder: hey jt
05:51 AM XXCoder: negative is of course theres small part that cant be cut since collet is somewhat outside machine zone too
05:51 AM XXCoder: but its not big issue just add inch of rod stock
05:51 AM jthornton: morning
06:03 AM taloot: hii
06:04 AM XXCoder: yo
06:04 AM taloot: can i use wireless to connect to mesa's ethernet utp
06:07 AM XXCoder: good question? someone probably can answer
06:07 AM taloot: thanks coder
06:08 AM jthornton: normally you use the motherboard NIC and a CAT6 cable to connect to a Mesa ethernet card
06:09 AM taloot: yes this is the default setup..
06:09 AM jthornton: no clue how you could connect wireless
06:11 AM taloot: alos what if i use tablets ethernet
06:12 AM taloot: wintel tablest very cheap.. but i read somewhere that there nic is usb connected
06:13 AM jthornton: a Rpi4 will work with 4GB memory
06:13 AM taloot: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.126.96.36.19912786uegBEz&id=599199684200&ns=1&abbucket=20#detail
06:14 AM taloot: tablet comes with cpu + screen + touchscreen in cheap package
06:14 AM taloot: also its x86 not arm
06:14 AM jthornton: sorry don't read chinese
06:15 AM taloot: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.188.8.131.522c7cb6FPcEY7&id=598307283590&ns=1&abbucket=20#detail
06:15 AM taloot: use google translate
06:16 AM taloot: u can find good things there
06:16 AM taloot: Intel Quad-core processor J4105 (14nm) with 4MiB Cache, up to 2.5Ghz(Single Thread) or 2.3Ghz(Multi Thread)
06:16 AM taloot: Dual-channel Memory DDR4-PC19200 (2400MT/s)
06:16 AM taloot: Total 32GiB RAM Space with two SO-DIMM slots
06:16 AM taloot: 4 x PCIe 2.0 for one M.2 NVMe storage
06:16 AM taloot: 2 x Gbit Ethernet ports
06:16 AM taloot: 2 x SATA 3.0
06:16 AM taloot: SSE4.2 accelerator (SMM, FPU, NX, MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AES)
06:16 AM taloot: Intel UHD Graphics 600 (Gen9.5 LP GT1) up to 700Mhz
06:16 AM taloot: HDMI 2.0 and DP 1.2 multiple 4K/60Hz video outputs
06:16 AM jthornton: try one and let us know how it works
06:17 AM taloot: yes i will
06:20 AM C-me is now known as TwoTall
06:20 AM taloot: im trying to fiind good tablet... like suface
06:21 AM taloot: and i will use linuxcnc + mesa ethernet
06:21 AM taloot: this will be cheapest package
06:21 AM TwoTall is now known as JoeKING
06:22 AM taloot: 100+200$ complete FPGA + touch screen controller
06:22 AM JoeKING is now known as TwoTall
08:45 AM jym: YAY blackouts..... not!
09:53 AM _unreal_: blackouts?
09:53 AM _unreal_: jym, ?
09:54 AM drdoc: buenos dias, gemtlemens
09:59 AM _unreal_: sup
09:59 AM jym: _unreal_: Yeah, due to the wildfires last year, PG&E now has blackouts if there is high risk for a fire. Last blackout has a coupel weeks ago for 48 hours. Today was 10pm last night until (they say) 8am today. Then probably another one on Wednesday
09:59 AM _unreal_: o,O
09:59 AM _unreal_: and you live in what state again
09:59 AM jym: Kommifornia
10:00 AM _unreal_: sounds like its time to move to a red state
10:00 AM jym: Meh
10:01 AM jym: I'm on generator and portable heat right now, it's all good.
10:01 AM _unreal_: lol I remember some pathetic tree hugger labral was going wild on some news show claiming that logging causes forest fires
10:02 AM drdoc: I'm trying to figure out the difference between "linuxcnc-dev" and "emc" targets on the git rrepo
10:02 AM _unreal_: drdoc, dev is developer. I believe if your just going for general use you want EMC
10:03 AM _unreal_: both work
10:04 AM drdoc: that was my guess
10:04 AM _unreal_: I'm leaving in 20min ish to take my daughter here today https://coralcastle.com/
10:05 AM _unreal_: its not very big and very over priced. but never been
10:06 AM drdoc: I'd pay
10:07 AM drdoc: I used to work in Florida a lot, but mostly in Tampa and a couple of times near Daytona
10:07 AM drdoc: I never made it to Miami, outside the airport
10:07 AM _unreal_: heh
10:07 AM _unreal_: miami is nothing special
10:07 AM drdoc: I almost got arrested at that airport
10:07 AM _unreal_: if you?
10:08 AM _unreal_: for?
10:08 AM drdoc: pre-2001, you could carry a pocketknife under 3" on a plane
10:08 AM _unreal_: ahh
10:08 AM _unreal_: heh ya now you cant even have a set of nail clippers
10:09 AM jym: I think you can carry nail clippers now
10:09 AM _unreal_: DAMN
10:09 AM drdoc: I was checking in and this tiny person tried to take a $200 knife on the grounds that it was overlength
10:09 AM drdoc: it was 2.5" long, and I argued with her till she called security
10:10 AM _unreal_: nifty
10:10 AM drdoc: the problem was that the general "rule of palm" was that your paalm is approximately 3" wide
10:10 AM drdoc: and hers was more like 2
10:11 AM _unreal_: heh
10:11 AM drdoc: the guard that came to get me asked what was the problem, she told him I had a weapon
10:11 AM drdoc: I'd been telling her to get a %^$^(%^&^ ruler and she wouldn't, so I asked the guard to measure the knife
10:11 AM _unreal_: where is a tape recorder when you need one
10:12 AM drdoc: he looked at it, asked how she measured it, and when she showed him he fell out laughing
10:12 AM drdoc: "Honey, that's barely even a *knife*"
10:12 AM drdoc: "We'll get you a ruler."
10:13 AM jym: WTF?! https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-administration-fire-lgbtq/
10:13 AM _unreal_: I assume you gave her a 1 finger salute in the end?
10:13 AM drdoc: _unreal_: per-2001, I very rarely had trouble with TSA
10:13 AM drdoc: pre-2001 I mean
10:14 AM drdoc: I was working for IBM as a contract instructor, so I was in some other city about every other week
10:15 AM drdoc: getting along with TSA then - and now, really - was simple
10:16 AM _unreal_: jym, I find that VERY hard to believe considering trump him self opened maralago TOO blacks and LGBTQ when he took over it and all of his surrounding wealthy Nabors ALLL well known DEM. $ contributors tried to stop him..... LOL oh... the hypocrisy
10:16 AM drdoc: Know the rules, work with or around them, get there with your shit together
10:18 AM jym: _unreal_: I still think he is the most hated president ever, which is very sad. Bring back Clinton (mr, not Mrs)
10:18 AM drdoc: jym: you can carry a knife now, actually
10:18 AM Tom_L: jym he's dying
10:18 AM drdoc: IIRC it's a 2" limit
10:19 AM jym: drdoc: boo
10:19 AM jym: Tom_L Clinton?
10:19 AM drdoc: or Perot
10:19 AM drdoc: :-)
10:19 AM Tom_L: saw a blurb passing in the store the other day
10:19 AM Tom_L: who knows...
10:20 AM jym: Tom_L I only have ONE question for Clinton
10:20 AM _unreal_: clinton has looked like the walking dead for the past 3 years
10:20 AM drdoc: If you guys are gonna do politics I'm gonna go clean the garage or something
10:20 AM Tom_L: she sure has
10:20 AM _unreal_: drdoc, lol
10:21 AM _unreal_: drdoc, ya as I said I'm going to that castle today
10:21 AM drdoc: Take pics
10:21 AM _unreal_: later when I get back I have to do a few milling jobs
10:21 AM _unreal_: will do
10:21 AM drdoc: seriously
10:21 AM _unreal_: and tomorrow :( I have to do jury duty
10:21 AM jym: "You are the leader of the free world, not a bad looking guy, could have anyone you want, Why her?"
10:21 AM _unreal_: AGAIN
10:21 AM drdoc: I'd rather go there than Disneyworld
10:22 AM _unreal_: :)( I have annual passes to disney and universal
10:22 AM jym: _unreal_: how much are those?
10:22 AM Tom_L: jym, hillary or monica?
10:22 AM Tom_L: :)
10:22 AM _unreal_: how much are what?
10:22 AM jym: Tom_L Yes
10:22 AM jym: _unreal_: annual passes
10:22 AM jym: Tom_L But mostly monica
10:22 AM _unreal_: depends on your choice of passes
10:23 AM _unreal_: I have the second highest for both disney and universal
10:23 AM jym: and how much did they cost you?
10:23 AM _unreal_: i have the plantnium I believe
10:23 AM drdoc: Monica was one of the best-looking herrings ever
10:23 AM _unreal_: for my daughter and I like $1,600 for the year
10:23 AM _unreal_: but thats access to ALLL the parks, 360
10:24 AM drdoc: and I'm convinced that she was hand-picked by Hillary
10:24 AM _unreal_: the universal passes are like $800 a year
10:24 AM _unreal_: I typically take my daughter to disney once a month ish
10:24 AM _unreal_: make it worth it
10:24 AM _unreal_: I'm likely to take her next weekend
10:25 AM _unreal_: >:) muhahhaahahah
10:25 AM drdoc: _unreal_: if I lived there and my kids were still young, that would be a great investment
10:25 AM _unreal_: my daughter is 10
10:25 AM drdoc: mine are all 36
10:25 AM drdoc: :-p
10:25 AM _unreal_: heh
10:25 AM _unreal_: younger then me
10:25 AM drdoc: seriously
10:26 AM drdoc: 3 kids
10:26 AM _unreal_: luckly I dont have to deal with my Xwife much. I have primary and she lives 4 hours away ONE way
10:26 AM drdoc: twins who turn 37 in December and a step-daughter who turned 36 in April
10:27 AM _unreal_: heh
10:27 AM drdoc: high-school graduation presents nearly broke me
10:27 AM _unreal_: $ or metal
10:27 AM drdoc: yes
10:27 AM _unreal_: mental
10:28 AM drdoc: yes
10:28 AM _unreal_: hum
10:28 AM jym: I need a petcock valve with 10mm threads on one end, and barb on the other end to replace the oil drain plug on my generator, any suggestions?
10:28 AM _unreal_: ya I only have the one
10:29 AM drdoc: what's the 10mm pitch?
10:29 AM _unreal_: wanted more but Xwife decided drugs, .... partys etc... and cheating were better option.
10:29 AM _unreal_: courts told her otherwise :)
10:30 AM _unreal_: long story short though...... FACEBOOK really did my marriage in
10:30 AM drdoc: I've been on her end, minus the cheating
10:30 AM drdoc: no excuses
10:30 AM _unreal_: on her end
10:30 AM _unreal_: ?
10:30 AM drdoc: I was the one doing drugs
10:30 AM _unreal_: ahh
10:30 AM _unreal_: aoh ohoh HER as in my X
10:30 AM drdoc: had to quit 30 years ago
10:30 AM drdoc: yes
10:31 AM drdoc: I think FB kills a *lot* of marriages
10:31 AM _unreal_: YA...
10:31 AM _unreal_: facebook privet messaging and cel phone txting but mainly FB is the kickstarter
10:32 AM drdoc: although if you put it like that, the gabby neighbor who tells your wife your geirlfriend's been coming over is what killed that marriage too
10:32 AM drdoc: that remote-sex thing was happening long before FB
10:33 AM _unreal_: I come from "Maine" Maine is full of MF'ers just hopping to screw any relationship for there personal short gain.
10:33 AM _unreal_: could be
10:33 AM _unreal_: well I'm off
10:33 AM drdoc: have fun!
10:33 AM _unreal_: back in a few hours so I can finish the stuff for work :()
10:33 AM _unreal_: not looking forward to it
10:33 AM _unreal_: I cant seem to get the levels right
10:33 AM drdoc: heh
10:34 AM drdoc: ?
10:34 AM _unreal_: I need to amek an engraving
10:34 AM drdoc: go, tell me later
10:34 AM _unreal_: I can send the file
10:34 AM _unreal_: give me a moment
10:34 AM drdoc: ok
10:36 AM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eAJb2URRtHEoRkOyny49GcllOjydP4VS
10:36 AM _unreal_: Vcarve and lines and holes
10:37 AM _unreal_: That should be to scale
10:38 AM drdoc: thanks!
10:38 AM _unreal_: so the material is 1/8 thick
10:38 AM _unreal_: thats the SVG version
10:38 AM drdoc: cool
10:38 AM _unreal_: it should be to scale
10:38 AM drdoc: I'll look after I clean the garage
10:38 AM drdoc: :-)
10:38 AM jym: drdoc: I could replace it with a 10mm bolt if that helps
10:38 AM _unreal_: My goal is this
10:39 AM _unreal_: 6 holes, two large centers and 4 tiny holes. lot of lines with a 0.20 mm straight rasp blade, and Vcarve iwth different bits. I have a 10 degree bits for the small stuff
10:39 AM _unreal_: and 90 degree for the larger letters
10:40 AM _unreal_: I cant seem to get the depths right
10:40 AM drdoc: huh
10:41 AM drdoc: jym: the tap drill for 3/8" NPT is 9/16"
10:41 AM _unreal_: ok well I'm off
10:42 AM drdoc: ok, have fun
10:42 AM jym: drdoc: I dont want to modify the threads, just want to just a valve instead of a oil plug.
10:44 AM drdoc: I'd drill a bolt for a 1/16 npt
10:44 AM jym: drdoc: Oh, maybe... https://www.amazon.com/MonkeyJack-Petrol-Switch-Petcock-Motorcycle/dp/B078JHLZRD
10:45 AM drdoc: cool!
10:45 AM drdoc: BSP thread?
10:45 AM jym: Though I'm not sure if I'll have the clearnace for that one
10:45 AM jym: china 10mm thread? lol, idk
10:46 AM drdoc: not sure it matters
10:46 AM drdoc: I use an M8 tap for 8mm BSP
10:46 AM drdoc: that's why I asked about the thread pitch
10:47 AM drdoc: the taper on metric pipe threads is tiny compared to NPT
10:48 AM drdoc: here you go:
10:48 AM drdoc: https://www.amazon.com/MonkeyJack-Petrol-Switch-Petcock-Motorcycle/dp/B078JHLZRD
10:48 AM drdoc: crap
10:48 AM drdoc: https://www.amazon.com/MonkeyJack-Petrol-Switch-Petcock-Motorcycle/dp/B078JHLZRD
10:49 AM drdoc: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y237F5S
10:49 AM drdoc: the last one
10:49 AM drdoc: :-)
10:52 AM gregcnc: what type of valve is on it now? one that latches shut or just a ball valve?
10:53 AM jym: gregcnc: No valve at all, just a drain plug with basically looks like a 10mm bolt
10:53 AM gregcnc: oh
10:53 AM jym: Let me see if I can take a pic....
10:54 AM gregcnc: in got it
10:57 AM jym: https://i.imgur.com/g5nkaU3.jpg
10:58 AM jym: gregcnc: ^^^^^
10:58 AM gregcnc: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BN6GBT9
11:00 AM jym: gregcnc: You think the one you posted, or this https://www.amazon.com/MonkeyJack-Petrol-Switch-Petcock-Motorcycle/dp/B078JHLZRD
11:00 AM gregcnc: If you have low oil shut off anything will work as long as you don't mind cleaning up if it opens?
11:02 AM jym: gregcnc: The gen does have lo cutoff, I just want to make it MUCH easier to change the oil
11:02 AM drdoc: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DXF7G59
11:02 AM gregcnc: amazon.com/dp/B0012W21IY this type seem apllicable, but hard to search for size
11:03 AM drdoc: you'd have to flip the lever
11:03 AM Tom_L: my mower has something similar
11:10 AM jym: How does that B&S one work? Looks like it's a screw on cap?
11:12 AM drdoc: the B&S motor on a friend's racing kart had a low-profile drain valve
11:16 AM drdoc: barb was horizntal and the whole body turned 90 degrees to open it
11:16 AM jym: ah
11:16 AM drdoc: but that was 18 years ago
11:16 AM drdoc: hrrmmm
11:16 AM drdoc: I wonder if you could build LCNC on a playstation 2?
11:19 AM jym: Aw crap... ESTIMATED RESTORATION: 9pm tonight (12 hours from now)
11:27 AM Tom_L: you've been heating already?
11:37 AM jym: Tom_L The house? Yeah, the backup heat has been on since 6am
11:38 AM Tom_L: is this due to the fires or a precaution on the power company?
11:39 AM jym: Tom_L precaution by PG&E when the weather dictates high fire hazards (winds and low humidity)
11:41 AM jym: Tom_L this is the 2nd blackout this season, another one estimated on Wednesday too.
11:42 AM Tom_L: do they get alot of arcing or static?
11:43 AM Tom_L: trees rubbing the lines?
11:43 AM jym: Tom_L lots of dry brush in open areas. JSUT before the fire last year, they cleared away 20ft each side of all power lines of EVERYTHING
11:44 AM jym: I do have to say, they do a hellva job keeping trees clear of the lines.
11:45 AM jym: ...and you get free firewood too
12:55 PM jym: Eeeesh, if it isn't the generator making noise, now have a helicopter buzzing around checking power lines
01:11 PM skunkworks: So - the freqency that the rpi4 was running was 600mhz.. I think we should run with force_turbo=1
01:12 PM skunkworks: which turns off scaling unless the temp hits its max limit
01:12 PM skunkworks: currently running 1500mhz at 43c
01:13 PM jthornton: where do you set that?
01:15 PM skunkworks: in the config.txt
01:15 PM jthornton: ah ok
01:15 PM skunkworks: getting random 2ms+ overruns..
01:16 PM jym: skunkworks: oc'ed it too much?
01:17 PM skunkworks: that is the max frequency from the factory.. no overclocking
01:17 PM jym: 1500 is the max factory?
01:17 PM skunkworks: from the factory..
01:17 PM jym: interesting
01:18 PM skunkworks: (the max it would go to when frequency scaling)
01:19 PM jym: gotcha. I havne' played with any rPi myself
01:20 PM skunkworks: Now getting .6ms read.tmax
01:20 PM skunkworks: so far
01:20 PM jym: at 1500?
01:21 PM skunkworks: yes
01:21 PM jym: k
01:22 PM skunkworks: 2.7ms spikes before adding force_turbo
01:22 PM skunkworks: This is running onle 1 core for realtime..
01:22 PM skunkworks: only
01:23 PM Loetmichel: yeah, a pi is a bit weak
01:23 PM Loetmichel: for linuxCNC
01:23 PM Loetmichel: IMHO
01:23 PM Loetmichel: probably something like a beaglebone black would work better
01:23 PM Loetmichel: or something more modern
01:24 PM Loetmichel: oh
01:24 PM Loetmichel: also only 1 ghz
01:24 PM Loetmichel: ok, so something a bit more modern
01:29 PM skunkworks: this is the rpi4..
01:29 PM skunkworks: it runs pretty decent
01:29 PM skunkworks: it is 1.5ghz
01:29 PM skunkworks: way newer than the beaglebone..
01:57 PM JT-Shop: step one get old phone to work, step two recover data from phone that got ran over by a Spyder
02:05 PM gloops: step 3, chin the Spyder driver
02:10 PM jthornton: step 0 don't leave your phone on the dash of your spyder when going around corners...
02:13 PM taloot: arm vs x86
02:14 PM taloot: x86 always win,.. in term of performane
02:26 PM * jthornton plugs in the Rpi4 and hunts for a flat spot to put it down... hmm this case of 30-06 should work
02:36 PM drdoc: jthornton: I'm running the preempt_rt Buster install, according to your notes
02:37 PM drdoc: on my fresh Buster install, GDebi GUI exits without error when I try to install linuxcnc-uspace
02:37 PM skunkworks: still still a peak of .6ms for hm2_7i92.read.tmax
02:37 PM drdoc: I *think* it's because I'm running GDebi as not-root
02:37 PM skunkworks: I would have had a following error by now
02:38 PM drdoc: $ sudo gdebi linuxcnc-uspace_2.8.0~pre1_amd64.deb
02:39 PM drdoc: works and installs dependencies as well
02:59 PM skunkworks: jthornton: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/18-computer/36879-raspberry-pi-4?start=210#147285
03:02 PM jthornton: cool, why only isolate core 3?
03:03 PM jthornton: I also just read that force turbo 1 is ok if you don't over voltage it
03:05 PM skunkworks: jthornton: if you isolate 3 cores - the user experience sucks
03:05 PM jthornton: ah ok
03:05 PM skunkworks: Plus I don't think there is enough userspace left for the non realtime stuff in linuxcnc to keep up
03:06 PM skunkworks: jthornton: I read that too.. we are not really overclocking - just turning off the speedscaling or whatever it is called
03:07 PM Loetmichel: skunkworks: "powersaving"?
03:07 PM jthornton: yea, which is good when you have a fan and want real time
03:07 PM Loetmichel: as in: "if idle, clock down"?
03:10 PM skunkworks: right
03:13 PM jym: For $4, ordered it... https://www.amazon.com/MonkeyJack-Petrol-Switch-Petcock-Motorcycle/dp/B078JHLZRD
03:39 PM _unreal_: sup
03:42 PM jym: crickets
03:42 PM _unreal_: when I use to live in maine I use to go nuts killing those bastards
03:42 PM _unreal_: sooooooo loud
03:43 PM _unreal_: all night long
04:08 PM Deejay: gn8
04:27 PM jthornton: I wonder if it's worth the trouble to try and run LinuxCNC headless...
04:36 PM jym: jthornton: rPi4 ???
04:38 PM jthornton: yea
04:39 PM jym: I thought it only had one ethernet port?
04:43 PM jthornton: yup, what is the concern?
04:56 PM jym: so pi, + mesa ether + lan ?
05:05 PM jym: jthornton: I suppose I just didn't realize the pi+ehter mesa would work well over a switch is all
05:09 PM jthornton: probably not
05:09 PM jthornton: it does have wifi which is what I ssh into it with
05:10 PM jym: Ah ok, RDP shouldn't be too bad headless then I would think.
05:15 PM as: https://www.amazon.com/ODROID-Intel-Quad-core-Processor-Included/dp/B07LHBMC8W
05:15 PM as: https://wiki.odroid.com/
05:16 PM as: they have good boards
05:32 PM jym: It always kills me when nobody uses intel ethernet chips
05:36 PM jym: They even published the schematics, kinda impressive
05:41 PM jym: Heh, $130 for the ram =) https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Kingston-Technology-HX424S14IBK2-32/dp/B01BNJL8I4
05:43 PM jym: Is there a case for that board?
06:06 PM XXCoder: not too bad
06:06 PM XXCoder: wonder what latency etc would be like
06:09 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
06:09 PM _unreal_: freaking hell I passed out HARD
06:39 PM jym: XXCoder: what case form factor is that?
06:40 PM XXCoder: no idea
06:40 PM XXCoder: it doesnt even say
06:44 PM _unreal_: you need one of my shells for that
06:45 PM XXCoder: they dont make form factor case?
06:45 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
06:45 PM _unreal_: try that
06:45 PM _unreal_: :)
06:46 PM XXCoder: ah lol
06:46 PM _unreal_: I have the molds I'M NOT kidding
06:46 PM XXCoder: yeah I remember that
06:48 PM _unreal_: was/is as looking at getting one?
06:48 PM _unreal_: sigh
06:48 PM XXCoder: nah wasnt, was rely to as
06:49 PM _unreal_: hum
06:49 PM _unreal_: ya I have not sold any of these shells in a while
06:50 PM _unreal_: They were selling like hot cakes for a while
06:51 PM XXCoder: maybe you need to find other areas where people dont know about your items
06:51 PM _unreal_: ?
06:52 PM _unreal_: total lack of advertizing on my part
06:53 PM _unreal_: I have not had to do much labor over the past year before I'm jsut beat
06:53 PM _unreal_: all I have to do is SIT and I pass out
06:56 PM _unreal_: brb baking soda time. heart burn bad
07:22 PM skunkworks: jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpsfvV6KwUU
07:34 PM jym: Now there's talking of blackout Tuesday, wednesday and thrusday
07:34 PM skunkworks: jym: yeck
07:36 PM jym: And wednesday has a 30F for the low.
07:37 PM jym: 39F*
07:40 PM _unreal_: jym, still love cali?
07:41 PM jym: love/hate, something liek that
07:42 PM XXCoder: I love wshington state, but then its also 50th best state for driving in.
07:43 PM XXCoder: always some pro some con
07:43 PM _unreal_: florida is sooooooo full of illegal mexians its crazy
07:44 PM _unreal_: my boss was telling me the other day that 90% of the applications he's getting in the past 4 years are from illegals
07:44 PM XXCoder: and is he hiring them?
07:44 PM _unreal_: not if he can help it
07:44 PM XXCoder: what does that mean?
07:44 PM _unreal_: can be hard to identify fraud
07:45 PM XXCoder: yeah thats the try your best aspect which is fine
07:45 PM _unreal_: since I've worked for the coompany he's HIRED/FIRED something like 30 people discovering they were illegal
07:46 PM _unreal_: any fool who thinks the wall isnt needed is beyond a moron
07:46 PM XXCoder: wall does shit
07:46 PM XXCoder: well it does do something
07:46 PM XXCoder: it affects envorment areas and animals in it
07:47 PM _unreal_: LOL there ARE no tree's hardly along the mex us border
07:47 PM XXCoder: envorment is not just trees.
07:48 PM XXCoder: you really dont know much eh?
07:48 PM _unreal_: I use to work for the world leader in bio medial
07:48 PM _unreal_: I'm published with them
07:48 PM _unreal_: JAX.ORG
07:49 PM XXCoder: yet you thought envormental means just concern with tres.
07:49 PM _unreal_: o,O
07:50 PM _unreal_: there are nearly zero land creatures that migrate
07:50 PM _unreal_: any great distance. UNLIKE birds
07:51 PM XXCoder: yet there is migrations across areas where wall would be.
07:51 PM XXCoder: like I said
07:51 PM XXCoder: I also said wall doesnt do anything about HUMAN migrations
07:52 PM _unreal_: "GO FUCK YOUR SELF" My father is trying to call me. wants me to go move some stuff for him. he's at his girl friends house and he only has a small car. and at nearly 9pm on a school night...
07:53 PM _unreal_: rather transport stuff for him.
07:54 PM _unreal_: how is washington 50th for driving?
07:55 PM XXCoder: youre welcome to find out
07:55 PM XXCoder: 2 days ago I went to get mom to store, almost got in accient twice on way there
07:55 PM XXCoder: normally isnt that bad but could happen randomly
07:56 PM _unreal_: did I mention illegals EVERYWHERE down here
07:56 PM _unreal_: I see a hit and run at least once a weak
07:56 PM XXCoder: they stay where people is willing to hire them
08:02 PM _unreal_: ya right...
08:02 PM _unreal_: I left maine, maine is begging to be over run by them as well
08:02 PM _unreal_: begging=beginning
08:03 PM XXCoder: was wondering lol
08:03 PM _unreal_: its a border state
08:03 PM _unreal_: lot of mexicans go to canada, cross over to US legals as "visitors" and never leave
08:03 PM XXCoder: problem is that some industries desperately need them
08:03 PM _unreal_: leagly
08:04 PM _unreal_: if your talking farmers, thats VERY seasonal
08:04 PM _unreal_: and for short time frames
08:04 PM XXCoder: indeed
08:05 PM _unreal_: this milling job is sooooo scary
08:05 PM _unreal_: i'm 90% done I keep having to SKIP around the code
08:06 PM _unreal_: no code seems capable of making decent vcarve using a very high angle V
08:06 PM _unreal_: err no software
08:06 PM XXCoder: whats angle like
08:06 PM XXCoder: 10 degrees?
08:06 PM _unreal_: 10 degrees
08:06 PM _unreal_: and like 1/2" of flute
08:07 PM _unreal_: I need it for the very fine detail in my companies logo
08:08 PM _unreal_: every software I've tried so far fucks up the fine print
08:08 PM XXCoder: esalcam maybe
08:08 PM XXCoder: mispelled
08:08 PM XXCoder: estlcam
08:08 PM XXCoder: its not free but trial lasts while
08:09 PM XXCoder: if you like it its not very expensive either. though it dont do inlays with angled tools?
08:09 PM _unreal_: I own estlcam
08:09 PM XXCoder: old info so maube its changed
08:09 PM XXCoder: ahh ok
08:09 PM _unreal_: and I've had trouble with that one as well
08:09 PM _unreal_: estlcam SUCKS for anything fine detailed
08:10 PM XXCoder: f carve is only other I know of
08:10 PM _unreal_: it rounds bit sizes to only two decimals
08:10 PM XXCoder: theres artcam unknown to me
08:10 PM _unreal_: so if you wnat to use a 3.175mm bit it rounds it upto 3.18
08:10 PM _unreal_: artcam does not exist any more
08:10 PM _unreal_: if you can find a copy of it I'd love it
08:10 PM XXCoder: oh really
08:10 PM jym: _unreal_: are yu sure?
08:11 PM XXCoder: jym: it says so on website
08:11 PM _unreal_: even arcive.org does not have any backups of the download
08:11 PM XXCoder: http://allpcworld.com/download-autodesk-artcam-2018-free/ maybe
08:11 PM XXCoder: downloading
08:12 PM XXCoder: that site is unknown to me, so watch out for virus or whatever
08:14 PM _unreal_: no shit.... downloading
08:14 PM _unreal_: 600megs
08:14 PM _unreal_: ya planning on scanning
08:14 PM _unreal_: this tailered web searching BS really pissis me off
08:14 PM _unreal_: cant find stuff any more. its alll based around what your going to buy.
08:15 PM XXCoder: yeah google really sucks now
08:16 PM _unreal_: two things left to mill and the plate will be done
08:16 PM _unreal_: and I can cut it out
08:16 PM jym: XXCoder: PLEASE let me know how that download does
08:16 PM XXCoder: i cant scan it unfortunately I dont really trust linux antivirus solutions. dont know which is good
08:16 PM _unreal_: ya i was not kidding when I say I've tried a LOT of software
08:17 PM _unreal_: I'm on win10 right now
08:17 PM _unreal_: I'll hit it with AVG
08:17 PM _unreal_: OMG 2.5hrs download time remaining
08:18 PM _unreal_: is it going about 75k for you as well?
08:19 PM XXCoder: 851k now
08:19 PM XXCoder: was 1.1 mbps
08:19 PM _unreal_: holding steady at 75k
08:19 PM _unreal_: wtf
08:21 PM XXCoder: i think its rate limiting if more than one guy downloads it at once
08:27 PM XXCoder: finished download
08:27 PM XXCoder: yours might get a speed boost by now
08:27 PM _unreal_: nope
08:27 PM _unreal_: still 75
08:28 PM XXCoder: drat oh well
08:29 PM _unreal_: wierd
08:29 PM _unreal_: restarted the download started going at 1.1m then dropped down to 200
08:31 PM XXCoder: gonna go
08:31 PM XXCoder: bbl
08:42 PM _unreal_: its amazing how much just having the dust shoe in place cuts down on dust and debree
09:17 PM skunkworks: The 5v to the mesa now measures 4.75v and at the encoder interface it measure 4.25v..
09:18 PM skunkworks: I think we need to get some better power supplies.. The x axis has started losing posision... slightly over a program run.
09:19 PM skunkworks: position..
09:20 PM Tom_L: chinese switchers?
09:21 PM Tom_L: i used a couple with pots on em for 10 & 12v and stuck some hot glue on the pot after they were set
09:21 PM Tom_L: if they drift i can go back and "re'calibrate"
09:22 PM Tom_L: i actually had made a few before i found them cheaper than i could make em
09:22 PM skunkworks: I think these are some switchers from printer or something.. don't remember.
09:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/5v_switcher.jpg
09:23 PM Tom_L: those are some of the ones i made
09:23 PM skunkworks: kinda like a laptop power supply brick
09:23 PM Tom_L: ~3a IIRC
09:23 PM skunkworks: cool!
09:24 PM Tom_L: they use that same chip in the chinese ones
09:24 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20190924_180846.jpg
09:24 PM Tom_L: well, some of em anyway
09:24 PM skunkworks: the powersupply above and to the right of the stmbl drive seems good.
09:25 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Control3.jpg
09:25 PM Tom_L: you can see em there stuck to the cabinet with automotive trim adhesive tape
09:25 PM skunkworks: It is 24v and 5v - it is running the 7i92, rpi4 and 24 runs the stmbl
09:25 PM skunkworks: heh- that works :)
09:26 PM Tom_L: i cheated and got my 24v off one of the centertaps of the big transformers
09:26 PM Tom_L: rectified it with a single diode
09:26 PM skunkworks: that is cheating..
09:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control8.jpg
09:27 PM Tom_L: the blue cap is the 24v and i think the diode is inside the heatshrink
09:28 PM Tom_L: :)
09:28 PM Tom_L: not the prettiest layout...
09:28 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: did you see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpsfvV6KwUU
09:29 PM Tom_L: missed that one
09:30 PM Tom_L: so it _does_ work
09:30 PM skunkworks: it seems to work pretty good so far...
09:30 PM skunkworks: :)
09:40 PM skunkworks: the lightbulb went off when I looked at the actual processor freq and it was 600mhz...
09:46 PM XXCoder: back, I am
10:06 PM _unreal_: I would suggest an RC power supply
10:06 PM _unreal_: That is what I use on any of my devices
10:07 PM _unreal_: infact thats what I power my rpi and tinker board and other such devices with are RC dc dc's
10:11 PM _unreal_: lol you know I am using a 12v car psu that is really a switcher dc-dc that says 12v rated but when I looked it up. its rated for 10-50v dc input and output is based on one resistor. That is what I use for the LED light on my rig
10:13 PM Tom_L: typically the output caps are right on the margin of their design even though the chip will do more
10:16 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/Castle-Creations-Bec-Switching-Regulator/dp/B000MXAR12/ref=pd_nav_hcs_rp_3/138-9204085-5798419?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000MXAR12&pd_rd_r=19a0d42e-8c6d-4e7f-9224-46ae45ac302a&pd_rd_w=uYTPq&pd_rd_wg=et5bV&pf_rd_p=18476462-28ff-42cd-98bf-a50dcf9ce38e&pf_rd_r=RCXAF8C066TYWD2V479E&psc=1&refRID=RCXAF8C066TYWD2V479E
10:16 PM _unreal_: a powersupply like that works wonders
10:16 PM _unreal_: with the programmer you can set the voltage
10:17 PM Tom_L: heh i have a friend that used to make similar regulators for that market
10:19 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H3WCNGT/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A2LO1BM9JQBILQ&psc=1
10:19 PM _unreal_: I use that one for my rpi
10:29 PM XXCoder: download finished unreal?
10:33 PM _unreal_: nope
10:36 PM _unreal_: 19min to go
10:36 PM XXCoder: fun
10:36 PM _unreal_: revolve!!! thats how I do that pattern
10:43 PM CaptTactful: of getting my parport2 limit swtiches setup. would anyone mind helping a bit?
10:46 PM CaptTactful: Sorry, i mean, I am working on getting my parport2 setup...
10:49 PM _unreal_: sigh... I'm trying to find a minipci-e to dual parallel port card
10:50 PM CaptTactful: thats wjhat i got for my dell optiplex gx620
10:50 PM CaptTactful: seems to be accepted by the cpu
10:50 PM CaptTactful: dont know if lcnc actually sees it
10:51 PM CaptTactful: my card has 2 db25 polrts for a total of 3 for the machine
10:51 PM CaptTactful: but, I cant fill out even 2, so, ...
10:54 PM _unreal_: you have a minipcie?
10:54 PM _unreal_: dual par card?
10:54 PM _unreal_: are you talking LAPTOP style mini pci or desktop style minipcie
10:55 PM CaptTactful: yep, 1 onboard and 1 on the pcie card with a 2nd via ribbon cable to header pin on board.
10:55 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, download finished
10:55 PM _unreal_: scanning now
10:56 PM _unreal_: OK so your card only has a single
10:56 PM CaptTactful: not a laptop, i run a minidesktop. optiplex gx620
10:56 PM _unreal_: I have a 23" touch compute I wwas given
10:56 PM _unreal_: broken touch display
10:56 PM XXCoder: cool :)
10:56 PM _unreal_: i5 computer
10:57 PM _unreal_: display is fine but the touch screen is fucked
10:57 PM _unreal_: all glass as well
10:57 PM CaptTactful: correct. the card itself. yes.
10:57 PM _unreal_: and replacements dont exist
10:57 PM _unreal_: I'm trying to find a USB touch display overlay
10:57 PM CaptTactful: u could prob replace the digitizer screen...
10:57 PM _unreal_: so I can dig out the touch display and
10:57 PM _unreal_: CANT find a replacement
10:57 PM CaptTactful: o
10:58 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, Script:SNH-gen [Trj]
10:58 PM _unreal_: C:\Users\berin\Downloads\Autodesk_ArtCAM_2018 (2).zip\Autodesk_ArtCAM_2018\libraries\MicrosoftRuntimeUpdate.vbe
10:59 PM _unreal_: according to AVG it found one threat
10:59 PM CaptTactful: https://www.amazon.com/Multi-Touch-Point-Infrared-Screen-Overlay/dp/B07CW9WWT5/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_147_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=9ZXPJ10Q0ZZPQ1XB5GSE
10:59 PM CaptTactful: maybe this helps?
11:00 PM CaptTactful: have you worked with a 2nd parport in lcnc?
11:00 PM XXCoder: capt thats interesting screen
11:00 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: dang thats nasty thing
11:01 PM _unreal_: CaptTactful, I have an envy23
11:01 PM _unreal_: just let AVG clear it out of the zip
11:01 PM CaptTactful: for the cost, I think its better to get a new touchscreen. if its in ur budget...
11:01 PM _unreal_: other then that therea re no other threats found
11:01 PM CaptTactful: envy23?
11:01 PM XXCoder: and hopefullu have remains working
11:01 PM _unreal_: that was a VBE not likely to affect anything
11:02 PM _unreal_: but I dont see an install
11:02 PM _unreal_: it says upgrade only?
11:02 PM _unreal_: and there is a "crack" ?
11:02 PM _unreal_: 2 cracks
11:02 PM _unreal_: wtf?
11:02 PM drdoc: XXCoder: did you read the comment on that download page?
11:02 PM XXCoder: likely for bypassing register required
11:03 PM drdoc: hell, y'all
11:03 PM _unreal_: Disable Anti virus First. Because antivirus can corrupt the Cracked Softwares.
11:03 PM _unreal_: Because Developer companies pay anti-viruses to Block Full Version Cracked softwares.
11:03 PM _unreal_: So ALWAYS Turn OFF antivirus before starting Installation.
11:03 PM drdoc: I could point you at a Solidworks torrent that's less sketchy
11:05 PM XXCoder: he dont want solidworks he wants artcam
11:05 PM drdoc: anything that comes complete with Visual Basic scripts is probably not what he wants
11:06 PM drdoc: just sayin
11:06 PM CaptTactful: has anybody setup a 2nd parport for inputs before?
11:06 PM XXCoder: he didnt want "a cam" he said he wanted artcam. specifically that one
11:06 PM _unreal_: no argument there
11:06 PM _unreal_: I'd love to FIND it. it was free at one point and
11:07 PM _unreal_: autodesk made it go away
11:07 PM _unreal_: wish I had gotten a copy
11:07 PM drdoc: AutoDesk has gone One Ring To Rule Them All with Fusion 360
11:07 PM drdoc: as far as free-to-use goes
11:08 PM _unreal_: the other thing I'm trying to find is a DUAL parallel port minipcie card
11:09 PM _unreal_: this is all I can find https://www.ebay.com/itm/mini-PCI-e-1-Parallel-Card-mini-PCIe-to-DB25-Printer-Port-adapter-For-Mini-ITX-/122110505668
11:09 PM CaptTactful: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pcie+parallel+port+card&i=electronics&crid=3NW7GQQV8PKD3&sprefix=pcie+parallel%2Celectronics%2C189&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_13
11:10 PM _unreal_: 'MINI pice
11:10 PM XXCoder: most of em dont look like dual either
11:11 PM _unreal_: CaptTactful, https://www.momgenerations.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Screen-Shot-2012-12-30-at-2.13.37-PM.png
11:11 PM _unreal_: thats the comptuer I have
11:11 PM CaptTactful: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Port-Parallel-Adapter-Card/dp/B00006B8C6
11:11 PM CaptTactful: heres a dual port card
11:11 PM _unreal_: saddly the touch is DEAD
11:11 PM XXCoder: that is still not mini pci
11:12 PM CaptTactful: oooohh, nice HP
11:12 PM _unreal_: the glass TOUCH display is cracked to shit though :(
11:12 PM _unreal_: I've already gotten cut a few times
11:12 PM _unreal_: I need to get rid of the glass face
11:13 PM _unreal_: and try to find a USB replacement
11:13 PM _unreal_: I'm going to rebuild a box for it
11:13 PM CaptTactful: by "mini pcie" do you mean laptop style pcmcia cards?
11:13 PM CaptTactful: with a db25 on it?
11:13 PM _unreal_: YES the only kind of MINI pcie there is
11:13 PM _unreal_: dal db25
11:13 PM _unreal_: dual
11:13 PM CaptTactful: sorry, never heard it called a "mini"
11:13 PM CaptTactful: ill look
11:14 PM _unreal_: example https://www.ebay.com/itm/mini-PCI-e-1-Parallel-Card-mini-PCIe-to-DB25-Printer-Port-adapter-For-Mini-ITX-/122110505668
11:14 PM CaptTactful: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-ExpressCard-Laptop-Parallel-Adapter/dp/B001Q7X0W6/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=laptop+parallel+port+card&qid=1570421321&s=electronics&sr=1-2
11:15 PM _unreal_: thats an express card
11:15 PM _unreal_: thats basiclly PCMCIA
11:15 PM CaptTactful: hmm, i c the ebay one now. how does it mount?
11:15 PM XXCoder: magic
11:16 PM _unreal_: its just a MINIpcie
11:16 PM XXCoder: kidding dunno
11:16 PM CaptTactful: yes, my apologies.
11:16 PM drdoc: _unreal_: the internet says "Carveco" bought ArtCAM from autodesk
11:16 PM drdoc: https://carveco.com/carveco-software/
11:16 PM _unreal_: carveco can kiss my ass
11:16 PM CaptTactful: well, if it works, great!
11:16 PM drdoc: ?
11:16 PM CaptTactful: i coulod use some magic setting up my 2nd parport...
11:17 PM XXCoder: 7525 buck a year. cheap!
11:17 PM drdoc: sounds like Autodesk....
11:17 PM CaptTactful: maybe in pesos..
11:17 PM CaptTactful: in dollars, not so much
11:18 PM drdoc: Why does latency-histogram always show more jitter than latency-test?
11:18 PM CaptTactful: unreal, check this out
11:18 PM CaptTactful: https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Port-Express-Parallel-Adapter/dp/B0090EE12U
11:19 PM CaptTactful: gotta love startech
11:19 PM drdoc: CaptTactful: that's not mini pcie
11:19 PM CaptTactful: crap
11:19 PM _unreal_: thats not minipci
11:19 PM drdoc: mini pcie mounts flat to the motherboard
11:19 PM CaptTactful: seriously?
11:19 PM drdoc: yes
11:19 PM CaptTactful: argghhh
11:20 PM _unreal_: CaptTactful, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5RXlNfLyWE
11:20 PM drdoc: _unreal_: pci or pcie?
11:21 PM _unreal_: minipcie
11:21 PM CaptTactful: ok ok, gotcha
11:21 PM drdoc: https://www.amazon.com/Ableconn-MPEX-M2WL-Mini-PCIe-Adapter/dp/B01MR76H5F
11:21 PM drdoc: CaptTactful: the *socket* on that adapter is mini-pcie
11:22 PM CaptTactful: yah, i get it now.
11:22 PM CaptTactful: sorry. havent dealt with that form factor.
11:22 PM drdoc: _unreal_: I was looking a few days ago - I've seen dual-serial + paralel, and straight parallel
11:22 PM CaptTactful: im still running a 2nd gen optiplex
11:22 PM drdoc: no dual lpt
11:23 PM _unreal_: ya. thast my only option for adding parallel to the envy23
11:23 PM _unreal_: ! though I believe the WIFI card is in a minipcie slot
11:23 PM _unreal_: not sure I want to switch to USB wifi
11:24 PM _unreal_: on a lcnc
11:24 PM CaptTactful: i try to keep my mill machine offline to decrease latency.
11:24 PM CaptTactful: might b an option for a 2nd mini pcie card then
11:24 PM drdoc: which brings us back to my question
11:25 PM drdoc: Why does latency-histogram always show more jitter than latency-test?
11:25 PM CaptTactful: usb wifi isnt 2 bad for small stuff
11:25 PM CaptTactful: dont kno y
11:25 PM CaptTactful: havent used latency-histogram
11:25 PM _unreal_: I dont need much in the way of internet access i dont think? but then again when all of this is setup I'll be at work
11:26 PM drdoc: it's useful
11:26 PM CaptTactful: maybe it pushes more buttons 4 a fairer test?
11:26 PM _unreal_: infact I just got the machineing company to start making some of my parts for the mill I'm bilding
11:26 PM _unreal_: building
11:26 PM CaptTactful: Ias I use a desktop, and without etho nearby, my usb wifi works ok
11:26 PM drdoc: _unreal_: use USB wifi to move what you need, then unplug it to run the machine'
11:27 PM CaptTactful: i just turn off the wifi and leave it plugged in
11:27 PM CaptTactful: dont seem to have issues
11:27 PM drdoc: or that
11:27 PM CaptTactful: turn it on as i need to
11:27 PM CaptTactful: as drdoc said
11:27 PM _unreal_: ya I'd likely just turn it off
11:27 PM _unreal_: !!! serial port internet
11:28 PM CaptTactful: i run my mill on a large bakers rack with my mill cpu next to it while im chatting in my laptop in the same space.
11:28 PM CaptTactful: just a thought
11:28 PM _unreal_: GOD back in the win98 days I use to share internet to a second computer via win98 network sharing
11:28 PM _unreal_: backes rack
11:28 PM _unreal_: bakers rack?
11:28 PM CaptTactful: my belkief is is worth it to keep those functgions separated
11:29 PM _unreal_: ?
11:29 PM CaptTactful: sorry, typing with bandais on...
11:29 PM CaptTactful: bandaids
11:29 PM _unreal_: your typing needs a bandaid :)
11:29 PM CaptTactful: 2 true
11:30 PM CaptTactful: i really like using the wifi slot for additional parport.
11:30 PM CaptTactful: good thinking
11:30 PM CaptTactful: oh, yah, bakers rack
11:30 PM _unreal_: I'd have to open it up again but i'm 99% sure the WIFI is a minipcie slot
11:31 PM _unreal_: what Im looking at is I'd LIKE to have encoders on my motors for this machine I'm building
11:31 PM _unreal_: my motors do not have encoders on them
11:32 PM _unreal_: just bipolar 500oz/in steppers
11:32 PM CaptTactful: nice, id like the same
11:32 PM _unreal_: and I'm going to gear them down with cogs/belts I have
11:32 PM CaptTactful: just now trying to get the card to accept limit switches into lcnc
11:32 PM CaptTactful: next is encoders
11:33 PM CaptTactful: oooh, nice steppers
11:33 PM CaptTactful: what is machine size?
11:33 PM _unreal_: the kit cost me $350
11:33 PM CaptTactful: link?
11:33 PM _unreal_: aprox 30x30x12"
11:34 PM CaptTactful: thats a big Z
11:35 PM _unreal_: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07236CFKC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
11:35 PM _unreal_: yep
11:35 PM _unreal_: I'm going to build the frame from 1" aluminum
11:35 PM CaptTactful: got it. nice. 330 now...
11:35 PM _unreal_: oh 425oz
11:35 PM _unreal_: same difference
11:36 PM CaptTactful: way bigger than mine
11:36 PM _unreal_: each of those motors is STUPID heavy
11:36 PM CaptTactful: i believ it
11:36 PM _unreal_: all 4 of those and its a huff and a puff to get it up
11:37 PM _unreal_: well 12:30am and I need to go to bed I have to be up extra early because I have Q@#R!Q#$TQ#$RQWerqQERYW$%YQWER fucking jury duty AGAIN
11:37 PM CaptTactful: living the dream i c
11:38 PM CaptTactful: buona note
11:38 PM XXCoder: dont be late, boy got jailed 10 days for that
11:38 PM CaptTactful: ouch
11:38 PM XXCoder: guy who did that got fired, as it was way overreaction
11:38 PM CaptTactful: xxcoder, any juice on 2nd parport setup?
11:39 PM XXCoder: not really whats issue and whats you tryong
11:39 PM CaptTactful: ok
11:39 PM CaptTactful: fresh wheezy install
11:40 PM CaptTactful: mini desktop with pcie 2ndary parport installed
11:40 PM CaptTactful: hardware list shows as parport0 onboard
11:40 PM CaptTactful: parports 1 and 2 as pcie
11:40 PM CaptTactful: OK
11:41 PM CaptTactful: step config allows for use of 2 ports not 3 but thats ok
11:42 PM CaptTactful: parport 0 is Ox378
11:42 PM CaptTactful: parport 2 was pre filled field as "1"
11:43 PM XXCoder: if I recall right you can find out address of other one
11:43 PM CaptTactful: wasnt getting anything, so, changed field to parport address
11:43 PM CaptTactful: oXdcc8
11:43 PM CaptTactful: thats machine address for it
11:43 PM XXCoder: so what happens when you try using that?
11:44 PM CaptTactful: switches are wired correct to db25 bereakout board
11:44 PM CaptTactful: nothing happens... at all.
11:44 PM CaptTactful: on 1st port, they worked
11:44 PM CaptTactful: now, nada
11:45 PM CaptTactful: is there a way to see in lcnc if inpouts r working?
11:45 PM XXCoder: not too sure a second
11:46 PM XXCoder: cat /proc/ioports | grep parport
11:46 PM XXCoder: must be sudo
11:46 PM XXCoder: double checking your card addresses
11:46 PM XXCoder: mine was 0378-037a : parport0 which isnt surpising, as thats standard for inbuilt
11:48 PM CaptTactful: 1st is 0x378 (0x778)
11:48 PM CaptTactful: 2nd is 0xdcc8 (0xdcd0)
11:50 PM CaptTactful: so, im not sure if they work as when i open lcnc, at turn on, i ghet a joint 0 on limit switch error
11:50 PM CaptTactful: i have no idea whats going on.
11:50 PM XXCoder: is it set to low or high trigger?
11:50 PM CaptTactful: i hold down switches to no avail
11:50 PM XXCoder: ah so its not that
11:50 PM CaptTactful: let me check
11:51 PM CaptTactful: 2 r inverted
11:51 PM CaptTactful: not the others
11:52 PM CaptTactful: so, im using 5 switches for machine limit switches as Maximum and Minimum Limts to X Y and Z
11:52 PM CaptTactful: well just Max for Z
11:52 PM XXCoder: not sure hope someone can figure that
11:52 PM CaptTactful: then Home X, Home Y, Home Z
11:53 PM CaptTactful: gotcha
11:53 PM XXCoder: numbering is strightforward right? ie breakout literally states what pin #s is
11:54 PM CaptTactful: as far as i know.
11:54 PM CaptTactful: lcnc pin X to breakout board pin X
11:54 PM CaptTactful: 1 to 1
11:55 PM CaptTactful: a far as i can tell
11:55 PM CaptTactful: wish i could test switches in software
11:55 PM CaptTactful: thought HAL offered this?
11:55 PM XXCoder: you should be able to I think
11:55 PM XXCoder: forgot how tho
11:55 PM XXCoder: reprap type does have gcode to tell you all switches status
11:55 PM CaptTactful: i never used HAl, so, tutorials r not helping much 4 me there
11:56 PM CaptTactful: reprap?
11:56 PM XXCoder: 3d printer type firmware. not as good lol sucky
11:59 PM XXCoder: homm
11:59 PM XXCoder: does it home on those switches?
11:59 PM CaptTactful: well, its supposed to home on the 3 Home switches, and not go past the limit switches