#linuxcnc Logs

Oct 03 2019

01:52 AM elmo40: flux was my go-to environment.
01:57 AM elmo40: such simple editing, too! text file.
01:57 AM elmo40: lightning quick! such little overhead.
02:08 AM Deejay: moin
02:09 AM t4nk-freenode: moin gnate.
03:40 AM Sabotend_ is now known as Sabotender
04:58 AM jthornton: morning
05:02 AM Tom_L: morning
07:24 AM miss0r2: 'ello
08:19 AM miss0r2: I just found out (yesterday) that the 250 buisnesscards I just started handing out does not have my phone number on'em?! How did I miss this? I even had the wifey have a look at the design prior to ordering. *sigh*. I am ordering new ones as we speak.
08:24 AM TurBoss: xD
08:25 AM gregcnc: I'm miss0r, no you may not call me
08:25 AM gregcnc: email?
08:26 AM miss0r2: yeah
08:27 AM miss0r2: and address.. company name ect...
08:27 AM miss0r2: Just not my phone number, which is usualy how people in this line of work communicate
08:27 AM miss0r2: that 100eur down the pooper
08:28 AM gregcnc: that's like 12USD here
08:28 AM gregcnc: Gold plated?
08:28 AM miss0r2: nah.. embossed, rounded corners, thick quality, print on both sides ect
08:28 AM gregcnc: ah
08:29 AM miss0r2: but thats not how they get'ya... its the shipping :D
08:30 AM miss0r2: I don't mind people going 'ah' when they get one handed. :)
08:31 AM miss0r2: Giving them the impression that I make too much money on them. But then I drive off in my 2001 toyota sportsvan, and they calm down :D
08:33 AM gregcnc: there was a printed version of this a while ago https://youtu.be/TcM_4Mhl2l8
08:33 AM miss0r2: I've thought about making something like that before.
08:34 AM miss0r2: But I wouldn't settle for the chinesium speakers
08:34 AM miss0r2: :)
08:34 AM miss0r2: but the idea of milling a realy nice speaker appeals to me
08:36 AM miss0r2: gregcnc: I made a pretty nice 18" sub for my home cinema a while back. It was wood though. Did it on the x-carve I had here for a while
08:37 AM miss0r2: https://imgur.com/a/39BjbYj
08:37 AM miss0r2: no screws used on the cabinet
08:37 AM gregcnc: all my stuff is down right now. I have a 10" sub in a .13m^3 transmision line, but not connected. Used to be in my truck
08:38 AM gregcnc: woofers in my old speakers have died. i want to build a pair of horns
08:39 AM miss0r2: in my humble experience, horns are best suited for outside applications, where you have to throw the bass a great distance.
08:39 AM miss0r2: well.. not "best suited".. it just doesn't make sense to do all that work for something that will sit inside an enclosed space (room, car ect)
08:46 AM miss0r2: I've always sorta wanted a pair of cast iron speakers.. perhaps even a version with an arc tweeter. That would be sweet.
08:47 AM gregcnc: this will be a 6" componet car audio pair that's only be waiting forever for em to do something with
08:48 AM miss0r2: component... Like a woofer with a tweeter suspended in the middle?
08:48 AM gregcnc: separate tweeter
08:49 AM miss0r2: ahh
08:50 AM miss0r2: at the moment I am all into headphones. Its easier to listen to with kids in the house :D
08:59 AM elmo40: 100 euro for only 250 business cards? sounds excessive.
09:00 AM miss0r2: ha... I guess I am getting ripped off :D
09:12 AM elmo40: over here we can get 500 cards for $10 !
09:12 AM elmo40: add gloss both sides, $12-$15
09:13 AM elmo40: add bunch of photos and text on back, $25
09:13 AM elmo40: are your cards metal? :-P
09:18 AM miss0r2: no... :D
09:18 AM miss0r2: Just damn overprised, apparently
09:21 AM jthornton: maybe they are using a gutenberg printing press???
11:15 AM drdoc: ugh
11:15 AM drdoc: I have a gorgeous 8-hour histogram
11:16 AM drdoc: except for those 40uS outliers
11:17 AM jesseg: lol... Seen in Ad copy: "And we released three versions to help you choose" -- shouldn't that be "And we released 3 versions to force you to choose?"
11:21 AM drdoc: jthornton: I finally got the RTAI kernel & modules and linuxcnc built in Stretch
11:21 AM drdoc: ... and rtai-*.ko will not load
11:23 AM * drdoc turns in his Admin card
11:59 AM jthornton: nice
12:04 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: have you asked in the dev channel?
12:05 PM CaptHindsight: I forget who is working on the new builds now
12:05 PM drdoc: did not know there *is* a dev channel
12:05 PM CaptHindsight: linuxcnc-devel
12:07 PM CaptHindsight: I try to avoid writing software, it's up there with belt sanding my nipples on my list of life's pleasures
12:07 PM drdoc: I'm down with that
12:08 PM drdoc: I don't mind a nice shell script here & there
12:08 PM CaptHindsight: Debian has a few quirks but once you get passed them it seems to work
12:08 PM drdoc: I firmly believe that system admin mentality and developer mentality is a very Us vs Them thing
12:09 PM drdoc: I love Debian
12:09 PM CaptHindsight: the RTAI dev is out for a few more weeks but I'm sure someone in the dev channel knows how RTAI gets loaded and unloaded
12:09 PM drdoc: Honestly I like Devuan better for hacking, but Debian has been my goto for many years
12:10 PM drdoc: it looks like the preempt kernel does better on this box, but I still want to know where I broke the RTAI build
12:10 PM drdoc: hey, video card question
12:11 PM drdoc: 128MB Radeon X300 or 512MB Nvidia 8800GT? Or 8MB PCI Matrox?
12:12 PM Deejay: something with vesa local bus! ;)
12:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI he needs to finish the no-calibration branch
12:13 PM drdoc: Deejay: This box doesn't jave VLB slots
12:13 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: he took a peek at your errors a few days ago and had never seen them before
12:13 PM drdoc: I suppose I could fire up the 486...
12:14 PM Deejay: hehe
12:14 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: that's not one bit comforting
12:14 PM drdoc: :-)
12:14 PM drdoc: the last build sequemce went without errors
12:15 PM drdoc: I purged all the kernel/rtai/linuxcnc debs, whacked the build trees, and started from scratch
12:15 PM drdoc: and checked the patch results as I went
12:16 PM CaptHindsight: I don't commit any of this to memory, but that sounds familiar
12:16 PM CaptHindsight: build clean doesn't clean, so you have to do what you did
12:16 PM drdoc: the problem I was having with the linuxcnc patch was a typo on the build page
12:17 PM drdoc: a missing "<" of course
12:17 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, thats one of the problems with software, every character matters :)
12:18 PM drdoc: the one thing that stood out is that the RTAI module ./configure "doesn't recognize your machine type" so "some dependencies may not be met"
12:19 PM drdoc: the real problem there is that paying attention matters. :\
12:19 PM drdoc: I copy/pasted that line a dozen times without really reading it
12:39 PM miss0r2: 'evening
12:49 PM Loetmichel: gnhihi, sure, THAT was to be expected... just drove to the company to repair something for a friend... coworker does an extra shift... "hey, while you are here, can you repair that PC there and that Monitor over there?" sure... 20 min soldering for a friend, 1 hour working off the clock for the company... should have known when driving there on a holiday... ;)
12:50 PM miss0r2: haha yeah
01:07 PM drdoc: that was crazymaking
01:11 PM drdoc: holy crap
01:11 PM drdoc: I typoed a while loop and started about 200 glxgears
01:11 PM miss0r2: lol
01:12 PM miss0r2: wel.. ahh? How did that effect your jitter? :D
01:12 PM drdoc: well, I had to get into a text console to kill them, and do it blins
01:12 PM drdoc: blind
01:13 PM miss0r2: hehe
01:13 PM drdoc: tyhe machine was too busy to print to screen
01:13 PM miss0r2: so, you resulted to a killall I would assume? :D
01:13 PM drdoc: yes
01:13 PM drdoc: latency-test is still showing base thread max jitter of 4237
01:13 PM miss0r2: That is pretty good
01:13 PM drdoc: I wish I could dedicate this box to running the router
01:13 PM drdoc: :-)
01:14 PM drdoc: it's my CAD system
01:14 PM drdoc: borrowed it to build packages
01:14 PM miss0r2: I've long wanted to get an old IBM PS/2 to run stuff off... IIRC it has an amazingly stable baseclock
01:15 PM drdoc: depends which
01:15 PM drdoc: which PS/2
01:15 PM miss0r2: I've thrown out more than one over the years.. only to later(years) regretting it
01:15 PM miss0r2: the faster 286 one
01:15 PM drdoc: 286/386 in general are pretty linear
01:15 PM miss0r2: model 40 iirc
01:16 PM drdoc: I had a couple of model 77i
01:16 PM drdoc: 486, IDE
01:16 PM miss0r2: yeah
01:17 PM drdoc: huh
01:17 PM miss0r2: never owned one of those
01:17 PM drdoc: it looks like the 128MB video card *was* part of the problem
01:17 PM miss0r2: happens
01:17 PM Rab: I have an NCR 3434 486DX4 PS/2 compatible next to me, has something like 10 microchannel slots.
01:18 PM Rab: And 6 full-height SCSI bays.
01:18 PM Rab: And 32MB of RAM!!!!
01:18 PM miss0r2: that thing is a beast :D
01:19 PM drdoc: what miss0r2 said
01:19 PM miss0r2: I do nest warm feelings for the old server towers with the "duck feet" sticking out to the sides
01:19 PM drdoc: I had a PC/RT - the first IBM RISC system
01:20 PM miss0r2: sweet
01:20 PM drdoc: hacked an IDE card into it so it would stop dimming the lights when I powered it up
01:20 PM drdoc: had the 16MHz CPU card and IIRC 24MB RAM
01:20 PM miss0r2: I used to have a Compaq proliant 3000series server
01:20 PM drdoc: AIX v2.2
01:20 PM Rab: I was something like the third reported user in the world running Linux with microchannel patches. It felt really elite at the time.
01:20 PM miss0r2: that thing was massive
01:21 PM miss0r2: nice
01:21 PM drdoc: Rab: those were the days, right?
01:21 PM Rab: drdoc, great days!
01:22 PM miss0r2: one of these days I am going to "invest" in a dual pentium pro motherboard with PCI support. fill it to the brim with ram and find a suitable GFX card to run on there..
01:22 PM miss0r2: I have two Pentium pro 200mhz processors floating around for this project.
01:22 PM miss0r2: I will use it to play quake on for two hours, get bored with it, and never use it again :)
01:23 PM Rab: I e-wasted matched quad ppros w/1MB L2 cache. Couldn't find anyone who wanted them. :(
01:23 PM miss0r2: that just hurts, doesn't it?
01:24 PM miss0r2: drdoc: What I remember sucked about the 'early' days was compiling a slackware kernel for SMP support, on a machine that took hours to do it running on just one of the two CPUs
01:24 PM Rab: Well...those things always ran really hot. You had to have a serious heatsink solution.
01:25 PM Rab: The only stuff I hung on to has Z80 and 68K CPUs. ;)
01:25 PM miss0r2: meh.. noise it not an issue for me. heck, I used to sleep next to a running 1200mhz PC with a thermaltake xaser 11 cooler on it
01:26 PM miss0r2: I don't remember the rated noise level.. but it was insane :D
01:27 PM drdoc: miss0r2: you in the US?
01:27 PM miss0r2: no - Denmark
01:28 PM drdoc: ah
01:28 PM miss0r2: you?
01:28 PM drdoc: I'm looking at a PICMG dual PPro board
01:28 PM drdoc: US - Texas
01:28 PM miss0r2: in that case; I am not at liberty to sell Greenland so just let it rest :P
01:28 PM miss0r2: bad joke, sorry :D
01:29 PM drdoc: lol
01:29 PM drdoc: so I reset the stats on latency-test
01:29 PM drdoc: started a dozen glxgears and a looping dd writing from /dev/urandom
01:29 PM miss0r2: 1) Where are you looking at said card 2) how bad is it?
01:30 PM drdoc: max jitter's sitting at 3514
01:30 PM drdoc: the card's on my desk, actually
01:30 PM drdoc: it ran last time I used it, maybe 3 years ago
01:31 PM miss0r2: picture or it didn't happen ;D
01:31 PM drdoc: but I'd have to put on pants!
01:31 PM miss0r2: just take a step back, damnit... :)
01:31 PM drdoc: 2 steps
01:31 PM drdoc: :-)
01:31 PM miss0r2: (or two, depending on your godgiven talents)
01:31 PM miss0r2: ha
01:34 PM miss0r2: going to new york, i've on two seprate occasions been asked if I was from Texas. I guess being a 6'2" 260 pound cornfed beef sporting a full beard makes people think that.
01:34 PM drdoc: https://imgur.com/a/h9zYJJ0
01:34 PM miss0r2: also, I might have been wearing a straw hat at the time. I guess everyone thinks that is what texans look like :)
01:34 PM jthornton: and a texas accent!
01:35 PM miss0r2: I regon you don'y know what you are talking about, partner
01:35 PM miss0r2: is that somewhere along the lines? :D
01:35 PM miss0r2: drdoc: Nice. I would't know where to plug it, though
01:35 PM drdoc: PICMG backplanes are cheap
01:36 PM miss0r2: but how are they rated on the Quake hardware list? :)
01:38 PM drdoc: not bad?
01:39 PM drdoc: the peripheral latency sucks - the backplane isn't particularly speedy
01:39 PM miss0r2: I don't know :) but I think it is just one of those things I will never realy get around to do
01:39 PM drdoc: but if you need support for 14 ISA slots, it's great
01:39 PM miss0r2: I will just pick up the CPUs once in a while deciding not to throw them out because they are too pretty
01:39 PM drdoc: well, you have the expensive part
01:39 PM drdoc: they're worth $20-30
01:39 PM miss0r2: yeah.. I've seen they go for a pretty penny for the gold scrap
01:40 PM drdoc: I gave mine to a friend who was doing what you want to do
01:40 PM miss0r2: play quake for two hours'n leave it?
01:40 PM drdoc: I think he played Doom, but yeah
01:40 PM * drdoc prefers Duke Nukem
01:41 PM miss0r2: Yeah.. I would also play duke nukem 3D
01:41 PM miss0r2: well, 3D in my case anyway
01:41 PM miss0r2: the former versions never spoke to me
01:41 PM miss0r2: that and commander keen 4
01:42 PM drdoc: 3D Atomic 4EVAR
01:42 PM Rab: drdoc, where in Texas?
01:42 PM drdoc: Austin
01:42 PM drdoc: hey, regarding jitter & software stepping
01:43 PM drdoc: I need to allow for the absolute max, not somewhere up in the curve?
01:43 PM miss0r2: is that a long way from houston? thats the only place I "visited" I landed there and drove to fort worth
01:43 PM Rab: drdoc, what a coincidence, greetings from Austin!
01:43 PM drdoc: it's 3 hours from Houston
01:43 PM miss0r2: yeah. allow for the max
01:43 PM drdoc: Rab: really? Excellent!
01:43 PM mozmck: drdoc: at 70+ mph
01:44 PM drdoc: got an LPT breakout you'd sell cheap?
01:44 PM miss0r2: mozmck: Get off the road, slow driver :P
01:44 PM drdoc: mozmck: 2.5 at 2:30am
01:44 PM mozmck: :-)
01:44 PM mozmck: I'm about 4 hours north of you
01:44 PM Rab: drdoc, not really, I have one of the typical $10 chinese things.
01:44 PM drdoc: OKC?
01:44 PM Rab: Sounds more like DFW.
01:44 PM mozmck: No, hour north of Dallas
01:44 PM drdoc: ew
01:45 PM drdoc: I used to travel 114 a LOT
01:45 PM drdoc: oops
01:45 PM drdoc: spiked my jitter
01:45 PM mozmck: I don't like going into DFW much. But Austin traffic is not much better.
01:45 PM drdoc: it's up to 5100
01:45 PM miss0r2: drdoc: still not bad
01:46 PM drdoc: actually I prefer driving in DFW
01:46 PM drdoc: miss0r2: that's the build box
01:46 PM drdoc: the one that'll be running the router is at 13k
01:46 PM miss0r2: drdoc: Well... the interresting result will be that on the router.
01:46 PM miss0r2: hah... well, its still 'okay' if you are not planning on running it too fast
01:47 PM drdoc: the router has 1.5A steppers - the computer's probably fast enough
01:47 PM miss0r2: meh.. I don't ever meet any local to me folk in here. a few germans, a few swedes and a few belgiums.. no other dains that I am aware of
01:48 PM miss0r2: I would say so
01:48 PM drdoc: mozmck: where exactly?
01:48 PM mozmck: drdoc: in the country near Van Alstyne
01:48 PM drdoc: I hope those 30K spikes were the video card
01:48 PM drdoc: they happen like every 70 minutes
01:49 PM miss0r2: that is just annoying
01:49 PM drdoc: mozmck: My grandfather had a ranch near Frederick OK
01:50 PM drdoc: and my dad built cotton farming equipment, so I spent a lot of time driving through there
01:50 PM mozmck: I see. That's a couple hours west and a little north of me looks like.
01:50 PM drdoc: yes
01:51 PM mozmck: They've been growing a lot of cotton around here last couple of years. I hadn't seen any of that for quite a few years. Prices must be up or something.
01:52 PM drdoc: I guess
01:52 PM drdoc: We had a lot of customers around Ardmore & Marietta
01:52 PM drdoc: they didn't care for me much
01:53 PM miss0r2: not beardy enough?
01:54 PM drdoc: I was a pinko hippie, as far as they were concerned
01:54 PM miss0r2: hehe
01:55 PM drdoc: hey, do the tarantulas migrate in your part of the world?
01:55 PM miss0r2: in Denmark?
01:55 PM drdoc: that was one of my favorite things about north texas
01:55 PM drdoc: sorry, was asking mozmck
01:56 PM miss0r2: no worries. I can happily answer no to that anyway :)
01:56 PM mozmck: yeah, some time in the year they are everywhere - you see them on the roads a lot
01:56 PM drdoc: I used to love poking at them
01:56 PM drdoc: *sproing*
01:56 PM miss0r2: arent they dangerous?
01:57 PM drdoc: nah
01:57 PM mozmck: Not the ones here.
01:57 PM drdoc: you don't want it to bite you, but they aren't particularly aggressive
01:57 PM miss0r2: but they are rather big and has what looks like a million legs, right?
01:57 PM mozmck: They are not like the man-eating ones in the jungles.
01:57 PM mozmck: pretty big, but not poisonous.
01:57 PM drdoc: miss0r2: black, very furry, about the size of your palm, full grown
01:57 PM miss0r2: (Yeah, i'm a big guy that is rather arachnophobic(spell))
01:57 PM Rab: Like a bee sting, I have heard.
01:58 PM mozmck: 8 legs. Some are black some are mostly brown.
01:58 PM drdoc: Rab: less painful, the Texas ones
01:58 PM miss0r2: if we had'em here you'd more often than not see me sporting a flamethrower and a hysterical facial expression
01:58 PM drdoc: miss0r2: if you had 'em there you might not be afraid of them
01:58 PM drdoc: :-)
01:58 PM drdoc: they're fun
01:59 PM mozmck: kids around here will pick them up and let them crawl on them.
01:59 PM drdoc: if you startle them, they jump straight up
01:59 PM Rab: We used to have a female Mexican Red-Leg as a pet. The bigger "risk" is that they can allegedly throw their hairs like a porcupine, and those are a pain to pull out.
01:59 PM miss0r2: well... the smaller spiders here also tend to freak me out. even knowing they are not even capable of biting you
01:59 PM drdoc: mozmck: there's a real estate agent[?] here who does commercials with one crawling around on his face
02:00 PM miss0r2: I mean, I can manage to put a glass over them and carry them outside or downright smack them... but if one crawls on me, I throw a fit.
02:00 PM mozmck: They do have pretty large fangs and can bite, but it won't kill you (well maybe from a heart attack but not from poison).
02:00 PM miss0r2: I would die from a panic attack. :D
02:00 PM drdoc: OK
02:01 PM Rab: They are pretty fragile. If you break the exoskeleton they just bleed out.
02:01 PM mozmck: I don't really like them crawling on me, but I've played with them plenty. My little kids caught ones for some friends who had not seen one, and they've kept it and are feeding it grasshoppers.
02:01 PM miss0r2: If there was ever a reason for me to migrate to Texas, I would be to legally own a .50 cal anti material rifle. I've always wanted one
02:01 PM drdoc: I'm gonna let this run on the C2quad box and pray that I've cured those spikes
02:02 PM drdoc: (better video card and Intel gigE instead of realtek)
02:02 PM miss0r2: drdoc: Have you gone through the bios, disabling all the stuff you don't need/stuff that effects the results?
02:02 PM drdoc: then load the packages I FINALLY GOT BUILT and see whether running 64-bit helps at all
02:02 PM drdoc: miss0r2: yes, and set isolcpus
02:03 PM drdoc: haven't really started weeding out OS services or tuning IRQs
02:03 PM miss0r2: alright. I had some strange spikes at some point. it was resulted bt the variable CPU fan speed.. (Don't ask me how) but apparently the cycle that decides the speed vs. temperature gave me spikes
02:03 PM drdoc: I want a pretty vanilla baseline to test the 64-bit RTAI against
02:04 PM drdoc: yeah, I turned that off
02:04 PM miss0r2: I didn't think, at the time, that could do anything :)
02:04 PM miss0r2: it took me a while
02:05 PM drdoc: I have some Zalman PWM speed controls that just have a knob
02:05 PM drdoc: sit between m/b and fan
02:05 PM miss0r2: yeah, that should not mess with anything
02:05 PM drdoc: but honestly, this box has good quiet fans and stellar cooling
02:05 PM drdoc: It's not going to be nearly as noisy as the router...
02:06 PM miss0r2: yeah... that is not realy an issue :D
02:06 PM miss0r2: unless its like a two axis wire foam cutter or something :)
02:07 PM drdoc: right?
02:07 PM miss0r2: hehe
02:07 PM drdoc: Ok, I'm off to pretend I have a life
02:07 PM miss0r2: what router are you building anyway?
02:07 PM drdoc: miss0r2: It's running already, with an Arduino controller
02:08 PM drdoc: which blows
02:08 PM miss0r2: like one of those generic grbl based ones?
02:08 PM drdoc: es
02:08 PM drdoc: yes
02:09 PM miss0r2: I had that controller on an X-carve.. I guess it worked. but I seem to remember it couldn't run all three axis simultaneous
02:09 PM drdoc: https://imgur.com/a/xtgQoat
02:09 PM miss0r2: What are you cutting on that?
02:09 PM drdoc: yeah - It completes about every 5th job
02:09 PM drdoc: so far, ABS
02:09 PM drdoc: and wood
02:10 PM miss0r2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't quite look rigid enough to handle alu?
02:10 PM drdoc: nope
02:10 PM drdoc: it's a first iteration
02:10 PM t4nk-freenode: look drdoc .. an iteration can never be the first time
02:11 PM drdoc: a lot of printed parts that will be Alu when I decide I'm happy with the design
02:11 PM t4nk-freenode: first iteration would be the second time around
02:11 PM t4nk-freenode: the first repeat
02:11 PM miss0r2: this is what I am running: https://imgur.com/a/EwfkflA
02:11 PM drdoc: that would be this then
02:11 PM miss0r2: I've build a new controller for it that is linuxcnc based, but I haven't gotten around to program all the macros into it yet
02:11 PM drdoc: very nice
02:12 PM drdoc: https://imgur.com/gallery/ArIVUxl
02:12 PM drdoc: this was the first router project
02:12 PM miss0r2: nice
02:12 PM drdoc: yeah
02:12 PM drdoc: I need to paint the switch plate so I can finish it
02:13 PM miss0r2: looks like alot of work for a keyboard? :D
02:13 PM drdoc: a LOT of work for a keyboard
02:13 PM drdoc: don't you do stuff that's not resource-efficient?
02:13 PM miss0r2: :D as long as you end up loving it
02:13 PM drdoc: I like things that I made
02:13 PM miss0r2: I can't recall the last time I did something that actualy was :D
02:14 PM drdoc: The Babe says if I can buy it for $20, I'll spend $50 building it
02:14 PM t4nk-freenode: hehe... I've been patching up my wireless keyboard for about 10years now ;)
02:14 PM drdoc: she's not wrong
02:14 PM drdoc: speaking of...
02:14 PM drdoc: it's honeydo time
02:14 PM drdoc: latert, gents
02:14 PM miss0r2: my old microsoft intelli mouse 3.0 I think must be 15+ years old. I've replaced the cord twice, and soldered new switches into it more than once
02:15 PM miss0r2: later
02:15 PM t4nk-freenode: good luck doc
02:15 PM t4nk-freenode: yeh, I also put a new switch into my G-700 already, got another spare handy
02:15 PM t4nk-freenode: switches were cheap
02:16 PM t4nk-freenode: think one of the mouse wheel side switches has broken too, but I don't think I could get a replacement that easily
02:16 PM miss0r2: yeah
04:02 PM serp: i'm having trouble getting a 7176e card to recognize the ethernet port... no lights when i hook up the cat5 from the motherboard to it... if i take a cord from a switch to the motherboard it works but if i take that same cord to the mesa card no lights... anybody got ideas on what to check
04:03 PM drdoc: serp: try running "arp -a"?
04:04 PM drdoc: that'll poke the network for a response
04:06 PM serp: right.. there is no link though.. like there is no power to the port
04:06 PM serp: there would be blinky lights on the port physically if there were
04:06 PM drdoc: right
04:07 PM serp: then it'd just be a network config thing
04:07 PM drdoc: does the card take its power from the ethernet port?
04:08 PM serp: it has a 12V power.. and W1 has the right jumper setting i think
04:08 PM drdoc: ah
04:08 PM serp: sorry this is my first mesa card setup
04:08 PM drdoc: me too
04:08 PM drdoc: :-)
04:08 PM serp: :)
04:09 PM serp: well i am conflating this channel with mesa.. unsure if mesa has a channel
04:11 PM drdoc: doesn't that board take 5VDC?
04:14 PM serp: the manual says it takes from 8v to 32v in.. provides 5v in a lot of places
04:14 PM Deejay: gn8
04:15 PM drdoc: that's for the machine it's running - the board itself is probably 5V in
04:21 PM t4nk-freenode: .... .me is still sitting with a telescopic broom stick in front of him.. *sigh*
04:21 PM t4nk-freenode: iteration .001 let's say
04:21 PM drdoc: I hate that part
04:22 PM t4nk-freenode: with just some silly hand-tools.. I always think I'll wash that pig..
04:22 PM t4nk-freenode: but.. I can't even manage to make a straigt cut ;)
04:25 PM drdoc: washers and beer cans make any cut straight
04:25 PM drdoc: ;-)
04:26 PM drdoc: at least straight enough to make the machine cut the next one
04:27 PM t4nk-freenode: can't even decide on where to cut either; rod is 33cm's
04:28 PM drdoc: don't you need a fixed difference in the segment lengths?
04:30 PM t4nk-freenode: ehm.. come again? ;)
04:31 PM t4nk-freenode: think I'm gonna have to buy some more rods, just bought 1 meter and cut it into 33cm's each
04:32 PM t4nk-freenode: but 3cm's extra, if I would want 30cm's travel.. isn't gonna work
04:32 PM t4nk-freenode: I don't think
04:36 PM t4nk-freenode: ahh well.. it's just a trial.. let's just start a-cuttin'!@ ;)
04:47 PM drdoc: t4nk-freenode: I must have misunderstood what you're working with - I thought you had 33cm fully extended
04:48 PM t4nk-freenode: no, the broom is like 2m, extended
04:48 PM t4nk-freenode: my rods 33 cm each
04:48 PM drdoc: right
04:48 PM drdoc: I get it now
04:48 PM t4nk-freenode: I cut it anyhow, crooked too ;) a bit
04:49 PM t4nk-freenode: I now have a piece of 'inside tube' af about 37cm
04:49 PM drdoc: yay!
04:49 PM drdoc: file time!
04:50 PM t4nk-freenode: don't have one I don't think.. maybe a triangle-shaped one somewhere tucked away.. I'll get sandpaper ;)
04:51 PM t4nk-freenode: so now I need to cut a glider.. perhaps 15cm's is enough for me to fix the table onto
05:03 PM JT-Shop: well it's official, it's Friday at Beer O`clock and no official work was done today
05:39 PM _unreal_: drdoc, you got me VERy much so thinking about that extrusion design
05:40 PM _unreal_: I think I have enough to even build a machine in that "design" design.
05:40 PM _unreal_: I need to dig it out. but if its clean and good to use I just may
05:46 PM _unreal_: milling one of the final parts for my daughters cnc machine
05:48 PM t4nk-freenode: SJEeeesss... this damned glue I bought.. 'Bison kit' 'glues instantly' ... who are they trying to kid :|
05:48 PM * t4nk-freenode pops his ot glue gun in
05:49 PM _unreal_: t4nk-freenode, I've never been a fan of instant glue
05:55 PM _unreal_: its fri?
05:55 PM _unreal_: I thought tomorrow was fri.
05:58 PM jthornton: it's Friday for me :) I get two Saturdays this week
06:02 PM Loetmichel: t4nk-freenode; the only glue thats "instant" is CA glue with a good dab of kicker applied
06:07 PM _unreal_: sigh
06:07 PM _unreal_: hate waiting for a mill job that I HAVE to run slow to ensure I dont have any lost micro stepping
06:08 PM _unreal_: 40min of milling left
06:12 PM SpeedEvil: Heat the workpiece to almost melting to ease cutting.
06:13 PM _unreal_: crossed my mind
06:13 PM _unreal_: I have a bunch of milling jobs comming up
06:14 PM Tom_L: better get some heftier steppers then
06:14 PM _unreal_: a guy that is a contractor to where I work wants me to mill a bunch of face plates for him
06:14 PM _unreal_: they are hefty
06:14 PM _unreal_: well for the size of the machine
06:15 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxvVUvUBqag
06:16 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, it still amazes me that I built this machine 7+ yeras ago and only just got it oing this past summer
06:16 PM SpeedEvil: Cutting carbide on a small lathe with CBN inserts
06:16 PM SpeedEvil: Add larger fans on the steppers and up the PSU by 50%
06:17 PM SpeedEvil: Did you work out when it loses steps?
06:19 PM _unreal_: it has to do with the feed rate
06:19 PM _unreal_: I never loose steps if I go fast enough
06:19 PM _unreal_: slow
06:19 PM _unreal_: slow enough
06:19 PM _unreal_: but if I got too fast I loose steps over time
06:19 PM _unreal_: I'm running 16 micro stepping
06:20 PM _unreal_: My motion controller is also slightly messed up. I hit it with 24v once..... on ground
06:21 PM _unreal_: I recovered it but it still has odd issues now and then
06:21 PM * jthornton wonders why the chickens are pecking at pine shavings on the rock
06:22 PM _unreal_: hey are scientists "cough in there own way"
06:23 PM _unreal_: Lol how many people have a cnc in there bedroom
06:24 PM jthornton: if a 3d printer counts I have one in the beer cave...
06:24 PM Loetmichel: jthornton: because they are dumb as chiclens?
06:24 PM _unreal_: beer why I have had 2 tonight
06:25 PM Loetmichel: chickens
06:25 PM _unreal_: and the last 2 I had in the house
06:25 PM _unreal_: :)
06:25 PM jthornton: actually chickens are pretty smart in their own way
06:25 PM jthornton: without any help if they can find food and water they know what to do from day 0
06:25 PM * _unreal_ SEEE ^ ^ Thats what I said too
06:25 PM Loetmichel: _unreal_: i have a CNC mill and a 3dprinter in the kids bedroom (now my mancave) ;)
06:29 PM _unreal_: sigh 14min left
06:30 PM jthornton: time to fire up the bbq and start my weekend
06:30 PM _unreal_: bbq not a bad idea
06:31 PM _unreal_: I may think about doing BBQ for burgers
06:31 PM _unreal_: then again just my daughter and I
06:32 PM _unreal_: sigh. I'm at 12mm of 19.05mm cutting out the part
06:40 PM jayell: hey all, new here. how active is this irc channel vs discord?
06:41 PM Tom_L: we have our moments
06:42 PM _unreal_: shhhh your being over active. sit down and rest
06:47 PM Tom_L: go fire up the bbq and make it an event
06:47 PM _unreal_: got to finish the milling job fist
06:47 PM Loetmichel: jayell: discord? whats that? ;)
07:08 PM drdoc: _unreal_: If I was making one big change to the original design or mine, I'd put a timing belt between the 2 Y screws and one honkin big motor
07:09 PM drdoc: 2 motors on one axis is asking for trouble
07:09 PM drdoc: IMHO of course
07:28 PM * t4nk-freenode tends to some burns
07:28 PM t4nk-freenode: *sigh*
07:29 PM norias: ?
07:38 PM * t4nk-freenode angrily waves a drippy hot glue gun at norias... 'WHAAAATTtt!?!'
07:39 PM norias: sounds bad
07:39 PM t4nk-freenode: yeh, used it a couple of times, but never got burnt before
07:41 PM t4nk-freenode: also; they eat hot glue sticks as if they were water drops on a hot plate
08:34 PM t4nk-freenode: btw; I'm trying some tie wraps to connect the motor to the rod this time ;)
08:34 PM t4nk-freenode: didn't see any pictures, but someone mentioned it on the net.. thought I'd try it
09:34 PM Connor: Hey guys.. having some issues.. Working on a laser cutter.. converting to LinuxCNC. Using 7i76E, and it has 3DM580 Leadshine steppers for the X and Y.
09:35 PM Connor: In PNCconf, in the axis test panel, I can get it to enable.. (I hear the machine go chunk-chunk).. but Zero movement.
09:35 PM Connor: We have it wired up using Step -, Dir -, and 5v to the driver.
09:36 PM Connor: I used the timing for a Keling 4080 and a fre other.
09:36 PM Connor: Anyone have any thoughts?
10:37 PM Wolf__: Connor: disconnect the enable +5
10:43 PM burkelfoo: Conner: also the default timing that pncconf uses (1 usec) is too short from most step drives (start with 5usec =5000 ns step time)
10:57 PM Connor: It's not the enable.. I don't even have those wired up..
10:57 PM Connor: I've tried 5000ns too..
10:57 PM Connor: I'm thinking it might be current underlimit on the 5v supply to the 7i76e
10:57 PM Connor: was only sourcing it with 500ma
11:02 PM burkelfoo: 500 mA should be more than enough (200 ma would be a typical draw)
11:06 PM burkelfoo: In general its a bit safer to power the 7I76E from the regulator (exceeding 6.5V on the 5V input will cause damage)
11:12 PM burkelfoo: Also the 5000 ns steptime is not something to "try" its something to use
11:24 PM * t4nk-freenode slaps drdoc around a bit with some pieces of glue-fouled telescopic broomsticks
11:25 PM t4nk-freenode: . . .
11:40 PM t4nk-freenode: well... it 'works', I built a test setup, motors seem strong enough to drive the rod directly
11:41 PM t4nk-freenode: tie wraps for connecting the motor to the rod is working surprisingly well too
11:43 PM t4nk-freenode: heh, but the end of my rod isn't fixed, and at high speeds it gets quite vibraty
11:44 PM t4nk-freenode: but I guess I don't need high speeds
11:44 PM t4nk-freenode: now the question is.. could I use this to make a better machine ;)
11:44 PM t4nk-freenode: :( gotta buy more broomsticks
11:44 PM t4nk-freenode: :)
11:48 PM t4nk-freenode: and I will have to make some sort of design too, otherwise it won't happen at all