#linuxcnc Logs
Sep 30 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
11:11 AM Tom_itx: skunkworks, power was out yesterday briefly which probably blew it's brains
11:34 AM Loetmichel: T_F_Skywalker: why destroyed?
11:34 AM Loetmichel: just search for the balls and set them back in the blocks
11:35 AM Loetmichel: been there done that about half a dozen times with my Z Ballscrew on the big router
12:54 PM T_F_Skywalker: I looked for the screws, found the screws, placed them back into the block, then spun the damn screw the wrong way and proceeded to spit them across the room into the void... So I used that as an excuse to upgrade to better ones. Lets just say it was one of those days.
12:54 PM T_F_Skywalker: err balls not screws...
12:54 PM T_F_Skywalker: maybe it still is one of those days.
12:59 PM CaptHindsight: how is Jet these days for table saws? https://www.jettools.com/us/en/c/woodworking-table-saws/180?Filter=1&fa_180Mo0C=1-3%2f4&PageSize=9999&page=1&Reset=no
01:02 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: a good place to start?
01:04 PM drdoc: We had the older equivalent of the 30" 115V model, probably a couple generations back
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: years ago they made solid tools
01:04 PM CaptHindsight: don't know about the new
01:04 PM drdoc: it was infinitely upgradeable
01:04 PM drdoc: :-)
01:05 PM drdoc: seriously, I think it worked fine out of the box
01:05 PM drdoc: but the foreman had kaizened the hell out of it
01:10 PM CaptHindsight: have a line on one with a big fence 60in
01:11 PM drdoc: nice
01:11 PM drdoc: I like Jet
01:11 PM drdoc: they're solid, a bit heavier than they have to be, a little sloppier than I'd like
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: another option is to just build a vertical saw on rails like at the Home Depots
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: takes up less space
01:12 PM drdoc: but it's not that hard to tighten them up
01:12 PM drdoc: you could do that
01:13 PM drdoc: dagnabbit
01:15 PM drdoc: that RTAI 5.2 make implodes
01:16 PM drdoc: ---
01:16 PM drdoc: In file included from ./include/linux/kernel.h:10:0,
01:16 PM drdoc: from arch/x86/entry/common.c:10:
01:16 PM drdoc: arch/x86/entry/common.c: In function ‘syscall_return_slowpath’:
01:16 PM drdoc: arch/x86/entry/common.c:297:5: error: implicit declaration of function ‘ipipe_root_nr_syscalls’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
01:16 PM drdoc: ipipe_root_nr_syscalls(ti)) &&
01:16 PM drdoc: ^
01:16 PM drdoc: ./include/linux/compiler.h:77:42: note: in definition of macro ‘unlikely’
01:16 PM drdoc: # define unlikely(x) __builtin_expect(!!(x), 0)
01:16 PM drdoc: ^
01:16 PM drdoc: ---
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/37106-testers-needed-for-new-rtai-packages
01:20 PM CaptHindsight: the no-calibration branch is NOT fixed yet
01:21 PM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Building_RTAI_5.2_Packages
01:23 PM miss0r: wtf.. has this channel turned into actually having to do with linuxcnc? :D
01:24 PM drdoc: miss0r: sorry, dude.
01:24 PM miss0r: hehe
01:24 PM drdoc: let me get this build working and I'll tell you about my gf's PMS
01:24 PM drdoc: :-p
01:24 PM CaptHindsight: it usually does
01:24 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: that's the recipe I'm following
01:24 PM miss0r: drdoc: ew... but... thats more like it ;)
01:25 PM CaptHindsight: the RTAI dev is down the hall from me but he's out of commission for several more weeks
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: recovering from surgery
01:26 PM CaptHindsight: so nothing will change until later this year
01:27 PM jym: CaptHindsight: brain replacement?
01:28 PM drdoc: huh. It's building
01:29 PM * drdoc chalks it up to PEBKAC
01:30 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: perhaps you can answer this:
01:31 PM drdoc: is any of the RT environment or LinuxCNC itself tied to systemd?
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: nope
01:31 PM drdoc: cool
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: I have it running on Gentoo
01:31 PM drdoc: I usually run Devuan
01:31 PM CaptHindsight: also Sid
01:32 PM drdoc: Debian without systemd - uses SysV init instead
01:32 PM drdoc: makes life a lot easier of you're doing homemade services
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: we skipped Devuan again since many packages were old
01:32 PM drdoc: yeah
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: we have the latest AMD hardware and needed 4K working well
01:33 PM drdoc: I generally don't need yesterday's build, but y'all kind of do
01:34 PM drdoc: I don't even remember the last time I built a kernel
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: he builds several a day
01:34 PM CaptHindsight: i used to back in the 90's and 00's but that was for kernel as BIOS
01:35 PM drdoc: when I first started building kernels it was opposite that
01:35 PM drdoc: we built for several days
01:35 PM t4nk-freenode: heh, this week's 5.3.2 is a little late
01:35 PM CaptHindsight: how to get a kernel to fit in 512MB
01:35 PM drdoc: I got kicked off the Linux-on-POWER mailing list for a dirty hack
01:36 PM CaptHindsight: on the new Ryzen stuff it's done in minutes
01:36 PM drdoc: I know
01:36 PM t4nk-freenode: 1m22secs or so :)
01:36 PM drdoc: on the new POWER stuff it's often less than a minute
01:36 PM t4nk-freenode: ryzen 7 2700x
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: if i had an application for the 32 core it would probably be done in <60 seconds
01:38 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx/p/N82E16819113541
01:38 PM t4nk-freenode: still firefox, qtwebengine and such take 'long' 18mins for firefox, 40mins or so for webenine
01:39 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: yeah
01:39 PM t4nk-freenode: gotta reduce the makeopts because I only have 16G mem
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: 64MB of L3 cache
01:39 PM t4nk-freenode: for 32 cores?
01:39 PM CaptHindsight: enough space to run many apps in cache
01:39 PM drdoc: this was '96 or '97 and we were porting YellowDog to the RS/6000 "carolina" boards
01:40 PM t4nk-freenode: that will be again tight to compile, won't it?
01:40 PM drdoc: a 200MHz PowerPC 603
01:40 PM t4nk-freenode: it bugs me a bit, not being able to use 16 cores
01:40 PM drdoc: it was... tedious
01:41 PM t4nk-freenode: I have j14 for the normal stuff or so
01:41 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: who's "we"?
01:41 PM t4nk-freenode: social worker and him probably ;)
01:41 PM t4nk-freenode: :b
01:42 PM drdoc: heh
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: wewho
01:42 PM drdoc: CaptHind> we have the latest AMD hardware
01:42 PM drdoc: that who
01:42 PM drdoc: I presume work
01:46 PM CaptHindsight: same thing
01:47 PM drdoc: so...
01:47 PM drdoc: if you don't mind me asking
01:49 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-3-HP-240V-Cabinet-Left-Tilting-Table-Saw-with-Extension-Table/G1023RLX $1800, looks flimsy
01:51 PM drdoc: specs say it weighs 522lb, with the table being ~75 of that
01:52 PM drdoc: so, yeah
01:52 PM roycroft: i have the original g1023 and it is a great saw
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: guess I'm used to machines with granite bases
01:52 PM roycroft: the extension table for that is fine
01:52 PM roycroft: it will support a sheet of mdf just fine :)
01:52 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: for $1800 I'd want a lot more leg under that extension
01:53 PM roycroft: why?
01:53 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: what I was thinking
01:53 PM drdoc: roycroft: because.
01:53 PM roycroft: i'm sure it will support 10x the weight you would ever put on it
01:53 PM roycroft: but if it were me i'd buy the saw without that extension table, and build my own
01:54 PM drdoc: I'm more interested in lateral movement
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: how about vibration ans stability when you're sliding materials across it
01:54 PM drdoc: there's no side-to-side bracing at all
01:54 PM CaptHindsight: say 100lbs of HDPE or polycarbonite
01:55 PM drdoc: I spent my teens in a shop that was populated with Korean-war surplus
01:55 PM roycroft: i think you're making much ado about nothing
01:55 PM drdoc: probably
01:56 PM drdoc: hence the "Because."
01:56 PM drdoc: but I like waving my cane at the kids
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: https://imaschelling.us/schelling-s45/
01:56 PM roycroft: i use my table saw almost every day
01:57 PM roycroft: the reason i would not buy that one is because of all the wasted space underneath
01:57 PM roycroft: as i said, i have the original g1023
01:58 PM roycroft: if i were buying one today, i'd buy the current version of that saw without the extension table
01:58 PM roycroft: and would build a cabinet to go on the side of it to store table saw accessories, etc.
01:58 PM drdoc: I think it's the fundamental PoV gap between carpenters and metalsmiths
01:58 PM roycroft: the top of that cabinet being the extension tabe
01:58 PM roycroft: table
01:58 PM roycroft: and i would put the whole thing on a mobile base
01:59 PM roycroft: which is exactly how my current saw is set up
01:59 PM drdoc: I can manage wood if I have to, but I'm a lot more handy with steel
01:59 PM roycroft: carpenters don't use table saws like that
01:59 PM roycroft: furniture makers, luthiers, and cabinetmakers do
01:59 PM roycroft: carpenters use portabe job site table saws, or track saws
01:59 PM drdoc: "mobile base" is a non sequitur
01:59 PM drdoc: you just demonstrated my point
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: https://imaschelling.us/schelling-fk4/
02:00 PM * roycroft does both machining and woodworking
02:00 PM roycroft: perhaps my perspective is a bit more balanced :)
02:00 PM drdoc: I read "carpenters, carpenters, and carpenters do"
02:00 PM drdoc: probably
02:00 PM roycroft: if that's what you read then you're being intentionally obtuse
02:01 PM CaptHindsight: I only cut wood to make pallets to ship machines on
02:01 PM roycroft: i don't think you're stupid enough to think that
02:01 PM drdoc: not eactly
02:01 PM roycroft: so i have to believe you're doing it intentionally
02:01 PM drdoc: exactly
02:01 PM roycroft: it's like saying welders, sheet metal fabricators, and machinsts are all "metalworkers"
02:01 PM drdoc: I meant that to me, "carpenter" is an umbrella term
02:01 PM drdoc: yes, that
02:02 PM roycroft: actually, more like saying welders, sheet metal fabricators, and machinists are all "machinists"
02:02 PM drdoc: they *are* all "metalworkers"
02:02 PM roycroft: so someone who turns wooden bowls is a carpenter?
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: I don't like this argument, can we change it to something to do with high fiber foods?
02:02 PM roycroft: is anyone who works with wood a carpenter?
02:03 PM roycroft: is a carver a carpenter?
02:03 PM drdoc: I'm gonna apologize and stop
02:03 PM drdoc: I truly did not intend to offend you
02:03 PM roycroft: my overall point is that it's important to look at the use of a piece of machinery when judging its suitability
02:04 PM roycroft: and the use of umbrella terms is not conducive to that
02:04 PM roycroft: i'm not trying to be argumentive for the sake of being so
02:04 PM drdoc: ok
02:04 PM roycroft: there's a reason grizzly make about 974 different models of table saws
02:04 PM roycroft: besides grizzly being grizzly and being in love with big, fat catalogs
02:04 PM drdoc: my original point was "they all look like table saws to me"
02:05 PM roycroft: the g1023 series is, i'd say, the "bridgeport" of table saw families
02:05 PM drdoc: If I recognize the difference between a dado and a rip blade, I got lucky
02:05 PM roycroft: i.e. moderately heavy, fairly high precision
02:05 PM roycroft: good for a job shop/small cabinet shop
02:06 PM roycroft: not suitable for factory production use
02:06 PM roycroft: not suitable as a job site saw
02:06 PM roycroft: it's the equivalent of the delta unisaw
02:06 PM CaptHindsight: swap motor for 10HP servo?
02:07 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like variable speed for cutting plastics
02:08 PM roycroft: you don't need variable speed for that
02:08 PM roycroft: you just need a saw blade with the correct profile for plastics
02:08 PM roycroft: and you need to not be timid when cutting the plastics
02:08 PM roycroft: just slap a proper blade on and push it through quickly
02:09 PM roycroft: it's slow feed that causes problems with plastic
02:09 PM roycroft: i cut lexan and acrylic on mine
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: when I'm tired i slow down and then the plastic melts
02:09 PM roycroft: i also cut brass and aluminium on mine
02:09 PM roycroft: then when you're tired don't cut plastic :)
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: ripping 10ga aluminum could be handy
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: but it gets loud
02:10 PM roycroft: again, you just need a proper blade that's designed for non-ferrous metals
02:10 PM roycroft: yes, you *do* need really good hearing protection when cutting metals
02:10 PM roycroft: earplugs overlaid with earmuffs is good for that
02:10 PM drdoc: I use a Foredom on a roller cart for ripping aluminum
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: laser and waterjet is quieter
02:11 PM roycroft: https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-TABLE-SAW-10-SUPER-HEAVY-DUTY/G1023
02:11 PM roycroft: that's my saw
02:11 PM roycroft: i have a biesemeyer fence on it though
02:11 PM roycroft: sure, if you have a laser cutter or waterjet
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: oh, how are those fences?
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: somebody has one for cheap
02:12 PM roycroft: biesemeyer is a rock solid fence, but it causes fence bumping syndrome, which almost all tablesaw fences do
02:12 PM drdoc: and the C2Q is still chunking along on that build
02:12 PM roycroft: i.e. to dial it in you have to bump it, lock it (causes it to move), unlock, bump, lock, etc.
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: check back on Wednesday
02:12 PM roycroft: my favorite fence was the one i had on my old saw - a vega
02:13 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: yup
02:13 PM roycroft: the vega works like a height gauge for metal layout
02:13 PM drdoc: at least it's not a 166MHz powerPC
02:13 PM jthornton: hmm griz sells saw stop now
02:13 PM roycroft: you get it close, lock it down, and then there's a microadjust dial to get it perfect before you do the final locking
02:13 PM CaptHindsight: there's a waterjet shop near me with a giant machine, but it's always a few days to get anything cut
02:13 PM roycroft: rockwell sell vega fences now
02:14 PM roycroft: my current saw has a 32" fence, and i want a 52" like my old saw had
02:14 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of getting another vega that is 52"
02:14 PM roycroft: but the biesemeyer is pretty much the workhorse precision fence on the market
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: rockwell, jet etc all used to make solid machines
02:14 PM jthornton: my saw stop fence doesn't move when you lock it down
02:15 PM roycroft: even though you have to bump it to set it, once it's locked it's absolutely parallel to the blade every time, and it does not move at all
02:15 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: which table saw do you have?
02:15 PM roycroft: and when i talk about bumping the fence, i'm taking about making adjustments of thousandths of an inch, not eights or sixteenths
02:16 PM roycroft: that precision is often not necessary for wood projects
02:16 PM jthornton: PCS175 36" rip capacity
02:16 PM jthornton: https://www.sawstop.com/table-saws/by-model/professional-cabinet-saw
02:17 PM roycroft: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_FE-KHeh2o
02:17 PM roycroft: there's the vega
02:18 PM jthornton: CaptHindsight, this one https://www.sawstop.com/build#build-price/professional-cabinet-saw/professional-cabinet-saw_PCS175_TGP236A_MB-PCS-000
02:18 PM jthornton: well back to work...
02:18 PM roycroft: skip ahead to just after 9 minutes to see the adjustment mechanism
02:19 PM roycroft: and yeah, if i had the cash to spare, a sawstop with a vega fence would be great
02:20 PM roycroft: i made a little dial indicator holder with a magnetic base that i set on my saw fence rail which makes it easier to make ajustments in thousandths
02:20 PM jthornton: I do the same
02:20 PM roycroft: and i'm sorry, i meant to say rockler sell vega, not rockwell
02:21 PM roycroft: it's not necessary to dial a saw cut in to that kind of precision most of the time
02:21 PM syyl: i wish saws where way more precise
02:21 PM roycroft: but if you make a batch of parts and ruin one, it's really mportant to make the replacement to match the others as accurately as possible
02:21 PM roycroft: they can be as precise as you want them to be
02:22 PM roycroft: https://www.rockler.com/table-saw-fence-systems
02:22 PM syyl: we have a felder at work, its ok-ish
02:22 PM roycroft: felder make some pretty good saws
02:23 PM roycroft: one does not see many felders in north america
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: what makes for a good table saw?
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: most manufacturers cut corners these days to compete with Chinaco prices
02:23 PM syyl: a flat table, a good sliding table, a good spindle and a powerfull motor go already a long way
02:24 PM syyl: the felder allows us to cut a lot things to final dimension without machining
02:24 PM roycroft: it's an arbor on a table saw, not a spindle
02:24 PM roycroft: but yes
02:24 PM roycroft: and most table saws do not have sliding tables
02:24 PM roycroft: but sliding tables can be retrofitted to most
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: arbor day, why does a spindel get a holiday?
02:25 PM syyl: most saws here are sliders
02:25 PM roycroft: the mitre slots need to be dead on parallel to the plane of the blade
02:25 PM syyl: correction: in a professional enviroment all are
02:25 PM roycroft: so there has to be an adjustment for that
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: syyl: rail saws?
02:25 PM roycroft: correction: a lot of professional environments do not require sliding tables
02:26 PM syyl: maybe in north america
02:26 PM roycroft: anywhere
02:26 PM roycroft: i would not mind adding one to mine
02:26 PM roycroft: but i don't have the room in the shop for that
02:27 PM roycroft: a sliding table takes up a lot of space
02:27 PM syyl: of course it does
02:27 PM roycroft: i have a sled that runs in the mitre gauge slots, and that works fine for what i do
02:27 PM roycroft: if you're making smallish parts there's no need for a sliding table
02:28 PM roycroft: these days i find myself breaking down sheet goods with my track saw and then feeding the smaller pieces to the table saw
02:29 PM roycroft: but to say that all professional environments use table saws with a sliding table is like saying all professional machines shops use 21x120 lathes
02:30 PM syyl: you will have to look very close to find a non slider here (germany) in a commercial shop
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.grizzly.com/search?q=(categoryid:530002)
02:32 PM syyl: exception are construction site/mobile applications
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: syyl: dis kinda saws? ^^
02:32 PM syyl: then you get those annoying contractor saws
02:32 PM syyl: yes, CaptHindsight
02:45 PM JT-Shop: this is my slider https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbG-n--LFgQ
03:25 PM mozmck: I have never seen a sliding table on a table saw - and my brother worked in commercial cabinet shops for years. What is the sliding table for even?
03:27 PM jthornton: mine is for making accurate cross cuts up to 25" deep
03:27 PM jthornton: it's a 1000 times better than a miter gauge IMHO
03:28 PM XXCoder: moz one of uses is making bunch of same size beams very fast
03:28 PM XXCoder: you just measure and clip block of wood at one side, and just cut away
03:28 PM jthornton: and accurate
03:28 PM XXCoder: using that block as stop
03:28 PM mozmck: I've made and used a sled for small parts, so I know about that.
03:28 PM XXCoder: sadly I dont have any slider, my tablesaw is way too small :D
03:29 PM XXCoder: oh lol ok
03:29 PM jthornton: if you have slots you can make one like the video
03:29 PM mozmck: I guess a slider could be nice for large sheets - I've just never seen one in a shop or in use.
03:29 PM XXCoder: yeah just no room. I do want to make one
03:29 PM mozmck: I think I saw one at a store once now that I have looked them up.
03:30 PM jthornton: I've seen gantry looking saws for breaking down plywood and stuff in big sheets
03:30 PM jthornton: but it's just a circular saw on rails
03:30 PM * jthornton heads to town again...
03:31 PM mozmck: Yeah, I've seen things like that in Home Depot that are vertical
03:31 PM XXCoder: snowing in spokane jeez. earliest in 100 years
03:32 PM mozmck: Wow, if these are "extremely affordable", then I can see why most shops don't have them: http://www.hermance.com/Industrial/Sliding-Table-Saws
03:33 PM XXCoder: lol
03:33 PM XXCoder: it list price and "get a quote"
03:37 PM roycroft: jthornton: you'll see one of those in every home depot store, made by milwaukee :)
03:38 PM roycroft: but i use this to break down sheet goods:
03:38 PM roycroft: https://www.festoolusa.com/products/sawing/track-saws/575388---ts-55-req-f-plus-fs-usa
03:56 PM Deejay: gn8
04:28 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: I'd like a tool that shrinks 4x8 sheets down to 3x3 for easier transport , then expands them again in the shop
04:39 PM Tom_L: just teleport em
04:39 PM CaptHindsight: yes
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: plywood spray
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: make any shape you want
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: dries in minutes
04:41 PM * t4nk-freenode completely waves that off, whilst eating away at his powerglued-shut-fingers
04:42 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/d/mchenry-jet-table-saw/6988493601.html seems worth it for $500
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/d/prospect-heights-festool-cms-ts-75-with/6982499323.html
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: I paid around $1300 for it around 2 years ago in EU at a very good exchange rate and brought it disassembled in my checked luggage...
04:44 PM CaptHindsight: sir, is that a table saw in your bag?
04:55 PM syyl: i dont have room for anything tablesawish ;)
04:55 PM syyl: resulted in buying a festool tracksaw
04:56 PM syyl: that thing has probably cut more plastic and aluminium than wood in the years i had it :D
05:00 PM jym: CaptHindsight: They have those, but while it's 1/4 the size, it's 4x the weight in "compact mode".
05:31 PM _unreal_: heh we hired a new welder guy at the company... he was telling me he could do work so much faster making aluminum parts manually cutting them.
05:31 PM _unreal_: and I was telling him that with a CNC machine parts could be nested and cut faster AND I could design in bevels for welding etc...
05:32 PM _unreal_: and inside cut outs etc....
05:33 PM * _unreal_ needs a beer before showering
05:33 PM _unreal_: need to relax a bit
07:40 PM _unreal_: jthornton, they work great. one wronging. they are all plastic DONT ever drop it
07:40 PM _unreal_: and dont let it sit in the sunshine
07:43 PM drdoc: hell
07:43 PM drdoc: I have a Ryobi chop saw that's cast aluminum
07:44 PM drdoc: sitting in the sun (ok, central texas dew) for about a week corroded it rigid
07:44 PM _unreal_: drdoc, there is a big difference. the company I work for has a shit load of festool products. they ARE worth the money IF your in the industry business
07:44 PM _unreal_: heh
07:45 PM _unreal_: the plastic one's fracture if they sit in the sun for to long and get dropped
07:45 PM drdoc: Oh I wasn't dissing festool, I don't know anything about them
07:45 PM drdoc: I was just saying that in some climates nothing's safe on the porch
07:45 PM _unreal_: expensive and high quality
07:45 PM _unreal_: and they have all kinds of how the fuck? tech in them making them quiet
07:46 PM drdoc: heh
07:46 PM _unreal_: drdoc, south florida here
07:46 PM drdoc: plastic helps that a lot
07:46 PM drdoc: then you know what I mean
07:46 PM _unreal_: :)
07:46 PM drdoc: our average dawn RH is like 88%
07:46 PM _unreal_: ya things lasted a lot longer back up in maine where I grew up
07:46 PM _unreal_: very dry most of the year
07:47 PM drdoc: where are you? I used to work around Tampa quite a bit
07:47 PM _unreal_: humidity wise
07:47 PM _unreal_: rain wise FUCK always raining
07:47 PM _unreal_: north of fort lauderdale
07:47 PM drdoc: 2 things I remember about Tampa
07:47 PM _unreal_: work IN fort lauderdale
07:47 PM _unreal_: lot of fag?
07:47 PM drdoc: 1) It rains every afternoon, whether it needs to or not
07:48 PM drdoc: 2) strip club every 2 blocks
07:48 PM _unreal_: :) I'm sure i've driven through tampa but I've never visited
07:48 PM drdoc: oh, and the Ed Director there had a cow every time he asked me where I had dinner
07:48 PM _unreal_: full time single parent
07:48 PM _unreal_: cow?
07:49 PM drdoc: "White people don't GO there!!!"
07:49 PM _unreal_: where did you eat :)
07:49 PM drdoc: I ate a lot of cuban food
07:49 PM _unreal_: oh ? white peoploe dont? BS
07:49 PM drdoc: mostly places that used to be somebody's living room
07:49 PM _unreal_: thats half there business is the blanka
07:49 PM drdoc: oh yeah
07:50 PM _unreal_: sigh
07:50 PM _unreal_: milling a part then re-aranging my mill for a fixture so I can do the backside milling
07:50 PM _unreal_: ARG.
07:50 PM _unreal_: making a mini cn machine for my daughter
07:50 PM drdoc: heh
07:51 PM drdoc: I printed most of mine
07:51 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hwpQkvDz8Is0VM2x1CVzT2GD9hms17B4
07:51 PM _unreal_: check that out then
07:51 PM drdoc: ...which is not its end state
07:51 PM _unreal_: its not updated to the latest version there are some errors in that drawing
07:52 PM drdoc: once I know what to fix I'll cut plate
07:52 PM _unreal_: plate?
07:53 PM drdoc: it's designed to use V-slot extrusion & flat plate
07:53 PM drdoc: I already had the v-slot, so I printed all the plate
07:53 PM drdoc: https://imgur.com/UuvZJUD
07:54 PM _unreal_: You look at my design?
07:54 PM drdoc: it's a lot stiffer than I expected
07:54 PM drdoc: not yet
07:55 PM _unreal_: plate aluminum I gather
07:55 PM drdoc: yes
07:56 PM drdoc: damn, how big is your printer?
07:56 PM _unreal_: ?
07:56 PM _unreal_: I dont own a printer
07:56 PM _unreal_: only a cnc
07:56 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Epi_HnCUA83Bbr7-sbDEt4EFKLzObQoM
07:56 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1LFl4v5AcZk8ed-yGZLsisnEbMLLkKv7Q
07:57 PM drdoc: izzat G11?
07:57 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NMDZD1AhnIh9qN-_XjH8rDLjb4nw0W1O
07:57 PM _unreal_: g11?
07:57 PM _unreal_: do you mean G10?
07:57 PM drdoc: no, I mean G11
07:57 PM drdoc: G10's hitemp brother
07:57 PM _unreal_: NEVER heard of g11
07:57 PM Wolf__: nice mini router drdoc https://i.imgur.com/buaZcnI.jpg
07:58 PM drdoc: Wolf__: sweet
07:58 PM drdoc: _unreal_: I don't think it's made anymore
07:58 PM _unreal_: base board heating BLAA
07:58 PM _unreal_: drdoc, what kind of material is g11?
07:58 PM drdoc: I have a bunch that was salvaged from a Westinghouse plant
07:58 PM _unreal_: my cnc is made from G10
07:58 PM Wolf__: old house
07:59 PM _unreal_: fiberglass
07:59 PM drdoc: the G11 I have looks *exactly* like that
07:59 PM Wolf__: FR11?
07:59 PM drdoc: IIRC it's just rated for much higher temperatures than G10
07:59 PM _unreal_: HEH my 10yo daughter just went prancing by just got out of the shower
08:00 PM drdoc: hold on
08:00 PM drdoc: _unreal_: I like that design
08:00 PM _unreal_: :)
08:00 PM _unreal_: if you have looked at some of the other photos you can get an idea for how big it is
08:00 PM drdoc: do you have the CAD files?
08:00 PM _unreal_: maybe 6x6" working area
08:00 PM _unreal_: yes
08:00 PM drdoc: right
08:01 PM _unreal_: drdoc, I use designspark mainly
08:01 PM _unreal_: and i designed that 100%
08:01 PM drdoc: I use Solidworks mostly, have a little training in mastercam
08:02 PM drdoc: I was learning TopSolid in my last job, and I hope to never hear that name again
08:02 PM _unreal_: small learning curve but design spark is STUPID easy
08:02 PM drdoc: cost?
08:02 PM _unreal_: FREE
08:02 PM drdoc: nice
08:02 PM _unreal_: I kid you not
08:02 PM drdoc: better than Fusion 360?
08:02 PM _unreal_: when it comes to rapid prototyping YES
08:03 PM _unreal_: IMO
08:03 PM _unreal_: I use tboth
08:03 PM drdoc: I'll have to look at it
08:03 PM _unreal_: but DS is my goto
08:03 PM drdoc: F360 maketh me to snarl
08:03 PM Wolf__: I think that is the opinion of all SW users lol
08:03 PM _unreal_: if you install DS let me know and I'll hit you with my main design file of that cnc design
08:03 PM drdoc: cool, thanks
08:04 PM _unreal_: so you like that design ya?
08:04 PM drdoc: Wolf__: it's a poisoned-well thing
08:04 PM _unreal_: its based on sleeve bearings FYI
08:04 PM drdoc: F360 does *everything* exactly backward from SW
08:04 PM _unreal_: if someone wants to change it to a better bearing system they need only increase the "bearing HOLDER size
08:04 PM drdoc: _unreal_: very cool
08:04 PM _unreal_: drdoc, I'm not suprised
08:05 PM drdoc: I like sleeve bearings, where they belong
08:05 PM _unreal_: and maybe the RAIL mount sizes
08:05 PM drdoc: you just have to take care of them
08:05 PM _unreal_: ya
08:05 PM drdoc: hold up a mo
08:05 PM _unreal_: I expect this little machine I'm making for my daughter will last a long time
08:05 PM _unreal_: as long as she keeps it oiled
08:06 PM _unreal_: she's 10 now. but my first plan is to set her up with a PEN on an elastic holder so she can do drawings etc...
08:06 PM _unreal_: AND HAVE A nasty side effect of learning cad
08:06 PM drdoc: hell yeah
08:06 PM _unreal_: when I finilized this design I'm going to publish it on instructables
08:07 PM drdoc: good
08:07 PM drdoc: mine is a take on the Openbuilds "Sphinx" design
08:07 PM _unreal_: I cant do that till I get the machine built so i can have that as part of the photo log
08:07 PM drdoc: right
08:08 PM _unreal_: !@!@#$ %$ !@345 4^! 2#%!234 are DOG is 18 yo and likely going to live for 2days to 2 weeks at this point
08:08 PM drdoc: so the G11 I have was harvested from a switch room or something at Westinghouse
08:08 PM _unreal_: making lots of funky sounds
08:08 PM _unreal_: interesting
08:08 PM drdoc: huge sheets from 3/4" to 1-1/4" thick
08:08 PM _unreal_: ok g11 and g10 are the same thing
08:09 PM drdoc: some guy on Bladeforums had literal tons of it, sold it off in Priority Mail box sizes
08:09 PM drdoc: G11 has a different epoxy
08:09 PM _unreal_: right but its produced the same way
08:09 PM drdoc: it's harder than G10 by quite a bit
08:09 PM drdoc: yes
08:09 PM _unreal_: aside from the resin it is litteraly the same thing
08:09 PM drdoc: yes
08:09 PM drdoc: and the same color
08:09 PM drdoc: that's why I asked
08:10 PM _unreal_: ya my machine is STUPID rigid EXCEPT where there is metal LOL
08:10 PM drdoc: yeah
08:10 PM drdoc: why G10? there's a lot of money tied up there
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: picked up a 50 year old rockwell 10 table saw
08:10 PM _unreal_: I didnt spend a penty
08:10 PM _unreal_: I use to work for Hincklys
08:10 PM _unreal_: hinckley yachts
08:11 PM drdoc: ah
08:11 PM _unreal_: You know of them?
08:11 PM drdoc: no
08:11 PM _unreal_: oh...
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: it has a round bar fence, so if it's a problem I'll just beef it up with a laser and some rails
08:11 PM _unreal_: I was going to go YOU KNOW G10 AND HICKLEYS " INTERNET CRUSH"" !!
08:11 PM _unreal_: HEH
08:11 PM drdoc: lol
08:12 PM drdoc: I do know a crapload of "waste" G10 comes out of boatyards
08:12 PM _unreal_: BUT that is a material they use in there yachts A LOT
08:12 PM drdoc: IHNI why
08:12 PM _unreal_: ihni?
08:12 PM drdoc: I Have No Idea
08:13 PM drdoc: dagnabbit
08:13 PM drdoc: 6 hours ago:
08:13 PM _unreal_: g10 is typically used as a backing plate for heavy load items. MOTOR MOUNTS, CLEATS
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.jmlage.net/rockwell-model-10-contractor-table-saw.html
08:13 PM drdoc: "I really should have built this kernel on my fast box"
08:13 PM _unreal_: and light duty items
08:13 PM drdoc: Now:
08:13 PM _unreal_: heh
08:13 PM drdoc: I really shoulda built this kernel package on my fast box
08:14 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: nice score
08:14 PM drdoc: <--- don't learn real fast
08:14 PM Wolf__: lol, I did that the first time I built a kernel
08:14 PM _unreal_: ya I have a box setup to build the RT kernel for my armbian box running on a tinkerboard.... that thing took like 3 hrs to build the RT kernel
08:14 PM drdoc: Wolf__: I have no excuse at all
08:14 PM Wolf__: I did mine on a intel atom…
08:14 PM Wolf__: like 20hrs or something stupid
08:15 PM drdoc: I've done it on a sub-200MHz powerPC box
08:15 PM drdoc: I ran linux in the '90s when building a kernel was something you did often
08:15 PM _unreal_: drdoc, I may have to STEEl your design https://imgur.com/UuvZJUD
08:16 PM _unreal_: I have some of that or a close size of that extrusion
08:16 PM _unreal_: the stuff I have is stupid heavy duty
08:16 PM drdoc: OpenBuilds C-beam
08:16 PM Wolf__: I wish I had got in to the linux stuff back that far
08:16 PM CaptHindsight: guess i could put a DRO on the fence
08:16 PM drdoc: Wolf__: I made a shit ton of money out of it
08:16 PM CaptHindsight: mag strip on each rail
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: it's OK, some people here build kernels on their Rpi's vs spending a few minutes building a crosstool
08:18 PM _unreal_: drdoc, if your a big linux guy I have something for ya
08:18 PM _unreal_: :)
08:18 PM _unreal_: how big on linux are you?
08:18 PM _unreal_: ?
08:18 PM drdoc: me?
08:19 PM drdoc: I was an RHCX for years
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: jym> CaptHindsight: brain replacement? quite a comment from a doodyhead!
08:19 PM drdoc: _unreal_: here ya go:
08:19 PM drdoc: http://www.docsbox.net/Build_Manual.pdf
08:19 PM drdoc: Linux, AIX, FreeBSD, a little bit of Solaris
08:20 PM _unreal_: first a room #zipit next a web site mozzwald.com z2 zipit2
08:20 PM drdoc: my last UNIX job was running a bunch of HP/UX workstations
08:20 PM _unreal_: ever heard of a zipit?
08:20 PM drdoc: nope
08:20 PM _unreal_: check that room out
08:20 PM _unreal_: its on freenode here
08:20 PM roycroft: my father used to say that to me when i was a kid
08:21 PM _unreal_: check out that website
08:21 PM roycroft: zip it
08:21 PM roycroft: he said that a lot
08:21 PM _unreal_: heh
08:21 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: this worth $500 https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/tls/d/mchenry-jet-table-saw/6988493601.html
08:21 PM CaptHindsight: whats the big deal about Biesemeyer Fences?
08:22 PM roycroft: it's worth $300
08:22 PM * _unreal_ waits for drdoc do OMGOMGOMGOMG
08:22 PM roycroft: biesemeyer is bullet proof
08:22 PM roycroft: it never goes out of adjustment
08:22 PM _unreal_: CaptHindsight, they are long
08:23 PM roycroft: it also removes from the table in an instant
08:23 PM roycroft: very useful if you are working with long material and using a miter gauge or sled
08:23 PM roycroft: i still prefer vega for the micro-adjustment capability
08:23 PM drdoc: it's cute
08:24 PM roycroft: but vega and incra are the only two fence systems on the market that have that feature
08:24 PM drdoc: when they started putting linux on phones, my OMGOMG kind of wore out
08:24 PM _unreal_: drdoc, I run quake1 on mine now and then
08:24 PM _unreal_: :)
08:24 PM roycroft: and i don't care what a biesemeyer fence costs new
08:24 PM roycroft: that saw with that fence is worth $300
08:24 PM _unreal_: drdoc, that thing is NOT a phone
08:24 PM drdoc: are they available?
08:24 PM _unreal_: you have to hack it
08:24 PM drdoc: I know
08:24 PM _unreal_: if you ask in that room you'll get a good source
08:25 PM _unreal_: source
08:25 PM roycroft: what will be your use for the saw, capthindsight?
08:25 PM drdoc: remember the iOpener?
08:25 PM _unreal_: I have one sitting next to me
08:25 PM drdoc: heh
08:25 PM roycroft: will you be cutting thick (>25mm) hardwoods frequently?
08:25 PM _unreal_: with the deep frame mod
08:25 PM _unreal_: and cdrom upgrade
08:25 PM roycroft: for sheet goods and softwoods that saw would be fine
08:25 PM roycroft: if you're gonna rip thick oak a lot you will hate it
08:25 PM drdoc: the thing about hacking linux on that sort of thing is that once it's up & running...
08:25 PM drdoc: It's Linux
08:25 PM _unreal_: and my own audio mod
08:26 PM _unreal_: yep
08:26 PM * roycroft is looking at linux distros for an old imac that will not run modern mac os
08:26 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of giving mint a go
08:26 PM _unreal_: drdoc, I have to feed my daughter 9:20 school night BBIAB https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
08:27 PM roycroft: i've never run mint
08:27 PM roycroft: i use debian for most of the servers at work
08:27 PM drdoc: now running Linux on a p5-590, that was a hoot
08:27 PM roycroft: but i don't run linux on any workstations at this point
08:27 PM drdoc: roycroft: I just installed it on a laptop a couple of weeks ago
08:27 PM * _unreal_ loved fedora 7 on p3 900mhz laptop
08:28 PM drdoc: it's pretty nice for a workstation
08:28 PM roycroft: i have a 20" 2009 imac that is useless right now
08:28 PM _unreal_: ok back in a bit
08:28 PM drdoc: hasta
08:28 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of putting a vesa mount on it and hanging it on the wall in my garage shop as a workstation out there
08:28 PM drdoc: there you go
08:28 PM roycroft: so i don't have to haul my macbook pro out there every time i need a computer
08:29 PM roycroft: more importantly, i won't have to run into the house to grab my macbook pro every time i unexpectedly find that i need a computer
08:29 PM drdoc: yes
08:29 PM roycroft: but it is running el capitan
08:29 PM roycroft: and can't be upgraded
08:29 PM drdoc: right
08:29 PM roycroft: and el capitan is useless
08:29 PM roycroft: because it won't talk to modern mail servers or web servers
08:29 PM drdoc: not for a work workstation
08:29 PM roycroft: so i thought making it minty might be nice
08:30 PM CaptHindsight: Biesemeyer Fence looks like a square tube on a square tube (or rectangular tube)
08:30 PM roycroft: the machine is fine other than not running modern mac os
08:30 PM drdoc: if you don't hate systemd mint is really workable
08:30 PM roycroft: it is, capthingsight
08:30 PM roycroft: capthindsight, rather
08:30 PM roycroft: drdoc: i don't really see why people hate systemd so much
08:30 PM roycroft: other than that it's fashionable to hate systemd
08:30 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: 1/8 - 1/2 plastics
08:30 PM drdoc: it does a lot more than it ought to
08:31 PM roycroft: capthindsight: it would be fine for that
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: because is does too much
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: wtf does it need network access?
08:31 PM roycroft: i think people just need to get over their bullshit hanging on to old ways of doing things
08:31 PM drdoc: getting that Mint laptop to look at *my* nameserver instead of the one systemd liked took a good half hour
08:31 PM roycroft: i'm not a luddite by any means
08:31 PM drdoc: it should have been a 40-second vim edit
08:32 PM roycroft: nor do i jump on new technology just because it's new
08:32 PM drdoc: short version: systemd is terribly inflexible
08:32 PM CaptHindsight: pulse audio is another turd
08:32 PM roycroft: i don't believe in reinventing the wheel for fun
08:32 PM roycroft: but if the wheel is broken or can be improved, sure
08:32 PM drdoc: roycroft: that's exactly what systemd is doing
08:32 PM roycroft: however
08:32 PM roycroft: all that said
08:33 PM drdoc: there's nothing at all wrong with resolv.conf
08:33 PM roycroft: when new technology firmly plants itself
08:33 PM roycroft: and is not going to go away
08:33 PM roycroft: if it's not really horrible, then i don't see why one should raise a big stink about it
08:33 PM CaptHindsight: waiting for the systemD registry :)
08:33 PM roycroft: especially something like systemd, with which i rarely have to interact
08:33 PM roycroft: i don't particularly like it
08:33 PM drdoc: I just mostly run Devuan
08:34 PM roycroft: hell, i never liked sysv init :)
08:34 PM CaptHindsight: Gentoo just works
08:34 PM roycroft: as soon as rc had a .d added to the end of it things started going downhill :)
08:34 PM roycroft: but i've learned to pick my fights
08:34 PM roycroft: and systemd is here to stay
08:34 PM drdoc: I put together a set of scripts to build & install octoprint & mjpg-streamer on an x86/amd64 box, a la octopi
08:35 PM roycroft: so the best thing is to just get used to it
08:35 PM roycroft: not to fight a losing battle
08:35 PM drdoc: or, you know
08:35 PM drdoc: just sidestep it
08:35 PM roycroft: i have dug out the old imac
08:35 PM drdoc: check the caps
08:35 PM CaptHindsight: Biesemeyer vs some 30mm solid rails and bearings
08:36 PM roycroft: capthindsight: biesemeyer fences are "carpenter" proof
08:36 PM drdoc: roycroft: lets argue about vi & emacs instead, ok?
08:36 PM * roycroft used to edit his .emacs with vi :)
08:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://postimg.cc/K3LNV5tp i have spare parts like this laying about my shop
08:36 PM roycroft: but seriously
08:36 PM CaptHindsight: no spaces vs tabs
08:36 PM roycroft: one big feature that you will learn to like a lot about biesemeyer
08:36 PM drdoc: aw, come on
08:37 PM roycroft: the locking lever on the fence itself
08:37 PM roycroft: lift it
08:37 PM drdoc: I gotta go make nice
08:37 PM roycroft: and then pick up the fence and put it on the floor or on a workbench
08:37 PM drdoc: y'all have fun
08:37 PM roycroft: when you need it again just set it back down on the guide rail
08:37 PM roycroft: it's literally as simple as that
08:37 PM roycroft: nothing with bearings and the like is going to work like that
08:38 PM roycroft: and it *never* goes out of alignment
08:38 PM CaptHindsight: I'm never going to transfer it to another machine
08:38 PM roycroft: no, but you will take it off the saw every time you need to use a panel sled or miter gauge
08:38 PM roycroft: well, if you had a not-biesemeyer you would likely slide it way over to the right to try to get it out of the way
08:39 PM roycroft: and sometimes that would work, but often not
08:39 PM roycroft: unless you are always working with small parts
08:39 PM roycroft: the vega fence does not come off that easily, and that's a major drawback
08:39 PM roycroft: but the micro-adjuster makes up for it for me
08:40 PM roycroft: i don't hate my biesemeyer
08:40 PM roycroft: and i do like being able to remove it so easily
08:40 PM roycroft: but i am almost certain to replace it with a vega fairly soon
08:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://imaschelling.us/schelling-fk4/
08:44 PM CaptHindsight: just going to rip 4x8 plastic panels
08:45 PM CaptHindsight: if I cut enough I'll just build a laser system to rip as well as do fancy shapes
08:47 PM roycroft: how accurate do the cuts need to be?
08:47 PM CaptHindsight: rectangles are just doors and windows so +- 1/16"
08:47 PM CaptHindsight: the fancy stuff maybe a little better
08:47 PM roycroft: then you'll be fine with a biesemeyer fence
08:48 PM roycroft: and you won't even have to do much bumping
08:48 PM roycroft: you should be able to get cuts accurate to 1/32" with a little experience by just setting it once
08:48 PM CaptHindsight: the laser could cut all the mounting holes and round the corners
08:49 PM roycroft: the particular saw you posted from cl is way overpriced though, and the seller appears unwilling to negotiate
08:49 PM roycroft: keep in mind that you'll need to add $100 for a good blade for plastics
08:50 PM roycroft: oh, i guess they've come down a bit
08:50 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/Freud-80T-Plastic-Blade-LU94M010/dp/B00004T7AL
08:50 PM roycroft: i have that one, and it's fine for plastics
08:50 PM roycroft: unless/until you use it for not plastics
08:50 PM roycroft: then it's not fine for plastics any more
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.tenryu.com/ToothGeometry.pdf
09:19 PM CaptHindsight: ATAF vs ATAFR
09:20 PM CaptHindsight: http://tenryusawblades.com/product.php?productid=17794
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: http://tenryusawblades.com/product.php?productid=17795
09:27 PM roycroft: you want the raker tooth
09:27 PM roycroft: plastic melts when you cut/machine it, as i'm sure you know well
09:27 PM roycroft: the raker tooth helps clear the goo
09:37 PM Tom_L: i have a tri cut for plastics
09:37 PM Tom_L: every 3rd tooth is different
09:38 PM Tom_L: wasn't $200 though
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: i use them for aluminum
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: Tenryu has a few different grade blades
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: i found that their industrial series does last much longer 2-3 the cheap one for 1/2 price
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: just don't not even once use the blade for steel
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: cut a few DIN rails at it was never the same
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/D1080N-Diablo-10-Inch-Non-Ferrous-PermaShield/dp/B00008WQ38/ref=pd_cp_469_2/138-3243242-1165249
09:50 PM CaptHindsight: Diablo is Freud
10:10 PM roycroft: i have never attempted to cut steel on a table saw
10:10 PM roycroft: fortunately, not even accidently
10:11 PM roycroft: i should assume that if i did, the carbide tips would become carbide projectiles
10:11 PM roycroft: and i'm not at all interested in that
10:12 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
10:15 PM roycroft: i've cut plenty of nails with a skilsaw, but i use a blade with negative rake when i think i'm going to hit nails
10:37 PM CaptHindsight: had the good non-ferrous blade in the miter saw and only needed two cuts in some DIN rail
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: Vega Pro 50 Fence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxG5WlAuKkE
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: 2" pipe rail
10:48 PM CaptHindsight: on one side only
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: cam bearing carriage
10:49 PM CaptHindsight: I have bigger surplus here
10:50 PM CaptHindsight: lotsa hubub
10:51 PM roycroft: i did not have the pro version
10:51 PM roycroft: but i can tell you it's the best table saw fence i've ever used
10:55 PM drdoc: wait.
10:55 PM drdoc: _unreal_: you back?
10:56 PM drdoc: RT on a Tinkerboard?
11:03 PM CaptHindsight: Rockchip RK3288
11:09 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: https://www.pine64.org/rockpro64/ vs the Rpi4 or Tinker
11:15 PM CaptHindsight: drdoc: http://linuxgizmos.com/60-raspberry-pi-mimic-showcases-i-mx8m/
11:45 PM drdoc: CaptHindsight: I'm watching Kodi on a Tinkerboard right now