#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 28 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:06 AM Deejay: moin
06:03 AM jthornton: morning
06:03 AM XXCoder: morning
06:27 AM Tom_L: morning
06:40 AM _unreal_: morning
06:41 AM _unreal_: had not planned on getting up yet but I had to pee so bad
06:41 AM XXCoder: cooooombobreak
07:29 AM gonzo_: fsphil, you need the chainsaw out of your hab kit
07:39 AM gonzo_: oops. wrong chan
08:33 AM _unreal_: nothing like a milling job early in the morning
08:54 AM perry_j1987: nothing like coffee early in the morning :)
08:59 AM gloops: nothing like nothing early morning
09:03 AM _unreal_: arg... I have not had coffee yet.. you guys are ass wholes ;)
09:03 AM _unreal_: I'm facing my inlay right now
09:03 AM gloops: pics?
09:03 AM _unreal_: 1/32 step overs 1/8th bal
09:04 AM _unreal_: uploading
09:05 AM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DH2SAy3ef7ZAjL38GrP3fYbSqznci-Ke
09:05 AM _unreal_: the N inprint is the area that I'm going to mill that 3d grape into
09:05 AM _unreal_: to get rid of it
09:05 AM _unreal_: I have an other grape vine that I'm going to mill into the teak
09:07 AM gloops: hmm, inlay like marquetry?
09:07 AM _unreal_: kind of...
09:08 AM _unreal_: I had the grape milled but I had forotten to offset the Z so it cut to deep AND on top of that there were hollows in the wood I didnt know about
09:08 AM _unreal_: its a wine bottle my father had built for his girl friend. This one was the "test run"
09:08 AM _unreal_: so I said mind if I swipe this...
09:08 AM _unreal_: and I'm correcting it
09:08 AM gloops: so youre gonna mill out the outline and set it down in that flat teak
09:09 AM _unreal_: ya I'm just facing the teak so its level with the rest of the pine
09:09 AM gloops: i see now
09:09 AM _unreal_: I figured it would look more interesting to use the teak then fix it with an other pine.
09:09 AM gloops: yeah different woods often set one another off
09:10 AM _unreal_: I'll likely paint it then sand it after I do the grape vine on the teak
09:10 AM _unreal_: :) I'm milling at full speed
09:10 AM _unreal_: high risk for lost steps
09:10 AM _unreal_: but I'm only cutting a few tho
09:13 AM gloops: im going to vcarve this on oak, old beekeeping proverb round the border, then make pine or maple flower petals to go round the outside to make it look like a flower
09:13 AM gloops: https://ibb.co/d6zZgLR
09:14 AM gloops: how did the grapes carve out?
09:27 AM _unreal_: soon as it loads I just finished this part
09:27 AM _unreal_: now I'm scared. this is where it fucked up on me last time
09:27 AM _unreal_: I may grab a bit of wood and do a test run to ensure I have my feeds and depths right
09:27 AM _unreal_: loads=uploading photo
09:28 AM _unreal_: what cha think? https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DH4f4yt8ecWj3As2I4Jd76ersHyHFKb7
09:33 AM gloops: looks fine to me
09:41 AM _unreal_: I still have to put the grape vine on it though :S
09:52 AM _unreal_: milling the vines
09:54 AM perry_j1987: what part is that _unreal_
09:58 AM _unreal_: wine bottle holder
09:59 AM _unreal_: I'm milling the grape vines now
09:59 AM _unreal_: with luck they will come out decent
10:01 AM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DHtAA-u9vNic-sG8xgg8nWwOPnmIM5fe
10:01 AM _unreal_: the scary part
10:01 AM _unreal_: I have my feed rate DIRT train slow
10:01 AM _unreal_: because the detail is so fine
10:02 AM _unreal_: going to make coffee
10:06 AM jym: Morning folks
10:09 AM perry_j1987: morning
10:28 AM _unreal_: gloops, you left?
10:29 AM _unreal_: so happy so far I have not ripped out any of the little GRAPE points.
10:29 AM _unreal_: I'll prob run the program a few times to do all the clearing
10:30 AM _unreal_: then epoxy fill everything for safety
10:31 AM jym: _unreal_: ...including your kybd =)
10:37 AM gloops: hi yeah not always watching this
10:44 AM _unreal_: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME... the computer froze and drove X wayyyy beyond its speed. luck I was standing there AT that second. it was jumping to the next location
10:44 AM _unreal_: X has totally lost location
10:44 AM _unreal_: wtf
10:44 AM _unreal_: !@#$!@#$~!@# HOW!!!!!! I dont get it. its windows updates on that computer HOW THE FUCK!!!! I've dissabled it like 3 times now keeps comming back
10:44 AM gloops: lol, just home and run again
10:44 AM gloops: g54 0 isnt lost
10:48 AM _unreal_: what are you talking about the MOTOR stalled
10:49 AM _unreal_: its fucked, I'm going to have to pocket it and do it again
10:49 AM jym: _unreal_: windows updates?
10:51 AM _unreal_: the motion controller I have on my home machine is windows based
10:51 AM _unreal_: nothing I can do about it
10:51 AM _unreal_: its a planetcnc controller
10:52 AM _unreal_: I cant run the LAPTOP I wanted to on my home machine because its DEAD
10:52 AM _unreal_: had I been using that one I'd be using the printer port
10:52 AM _unreal_: but its dead
10:52 AM _unreal_: no clue why
10:53 AM _unreal_: pentium 4 3.4ghz laptop with a printer port. and it just died. wont power on any more
10:53 AM _unreal_: totaly dead
10:53 AM SpeedEvil: Maybe it's just resting.
10:53 AM _unreal_: hit the power. the fan spins lights turn on HD spins up. thats it
10:53 AM gloops: it doesnt matter if the motor stopped
10:54 AM _unreal_: if your going to tell me al I have to do is go off home. sorry this was not homed before hand
10:54 AM gloops: youre saying you lost position and the cutter wasnt in contact, so just stop, home and run again
10:54 AM _unreal_: I cant home because the block is to tall
10:55 AM gloops: cant jog round it?
10:55 AM _unreal_: the bottom of my X will strike it
10:55 AM _unreal_: to long
10:55 AM _unreal_: the bottle holder blcok just fits my entire work area
10:55 AM _unreal_: so I have to work on it with the major travel in X
10:56 AM _unreal_: at some point I'll get fed up and rebuild the entire upper assembly. if/when I do that I'll gain almost 5" on the Y and about 2" on X and 5" on Z
10:58 AM gloops: jog back to 0s then
11:04 AM _unreal_: I have no reference
11:04 AM _unreal_: I'm fucked. all I can do is pocket it again and start from scdratch
11:05 AM _unreal_: I just put hot glue in the ethernet port. so I cant even accidentity plug a network cable in
11:05 AM _unreal_: meaning I just removed the ethernet
11:05 AM _unreal_: maybe with luck if its blind to the network it will stop enabling Q@#%$!@$#% udking up dates
11:05 AM _unreal_: I dont get it
11:09 AM jthornton: holy cow that's extreme measures
11:11 AM * skunkworks hugs linuxcnc and linux...
11:12 AM perry_j1987: _unreal_ you have any straight lines in the design?
11:14 AM _unreal_: zero
11:14 AM _unreal_: skunkworks, I'd be using lcnc right now for this setup if that stupid laptop worked
11:15 AM _unreal_: its booted twoce for me and I dont know whats worng?
11:15 AM _unreal_: I'm guesing dieing caps
11:15 AM perry_j1987: was going to say you can just jog around and line up with a few features and set the DRO to what that feature coordinate is
11:15 AM perry_j1987: do that a few times and it will zero back in on 0,0 well enough for v-bit engraving
11:16 AM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DHtAA-u9vNic-sG8xgg8nWwOPnmIM5fe
11:16 AM _unreal_: no straight lines
11:16 AM _unreal_: and TINY
11:16 AM perry_j1987: that mkes it easy
11:16 AM perry_j1987: vbit is self centering obviously
11:17 AM perry_j1987: jog around aligning the bit with different areas, tell the DRO the coordinates you think its suppose to be at
11:17 AM perry_j1987: then jog to another feature's coordinate and compare if it went the right spot
11:17 AM perry_j1987: adjust the DRO
11:17 AM _unreal_: I'm already pocketing...
11:17 AM perry_j1987: keep doing that a couple times
11:17 AM perry_j1987: well thats no fun :P
11:18 AM _unreal_: there is no way to correct it
01:27 PM miss0r2: 'evening
01:32 PM _unreal_: afternoon
01:35 PM jym: Bacon Taco https://i.imgur.com/GpEmZYY.png
01:36 PM jym: ve7it: Bacon Taco https://i.imgur.com/GpEmZYY.png
01:36 PM ve7it: you lucky bastaXX!
01:37 PM jym: ve7it: No no, just found it, still have to make it
01:37 PM ve7it: looks like scrambled eggs in the middle
01:38 PM jym: cheese and egss, yes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZSWNjz1jU
01:39 PM ve7it: egg pizza looks good too
01:40 PM jym: The egg avocado looks good to me
01:41 PM ve7it: yup
01:41 PM jym: and I'm gonna try the bacon taco, the only time I've ever really wanted to lace bacon, though I've seen it before
01:44 PM ve7it: I tried the omlette in a bag.... not recommended... tastes like plastic
01:45 PM ve7it: that bacon taco looks good... just needs a side of sausage patties
01:45 PM ve7it: how can you tell I missed breakfast
01:50 PM jym: ve7it: Had sausage egg sandwich this morning
01:51 PM jym: First in a LOONG time
01:52 PM jym: ve7it: good to know about the bag omlette
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: ve7it: did you remove it from the bag before eating? :)
02:20 PM ve7it: hmmmm.. thought it was kind of chewy!
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: jym: pizza in a cup, burger in a shoe, hotdog in a cannon
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: and spray on soup
03:44 PM jym: CaptHindsight: waffle pizza
03:44 PM jym: CaptHindsight: But Bacon Tacos works for sure
03:47 PM gonzo_: omelette needs a lot of air whipped in
03:47 PM gonzo_: though scrambled egg in the uwave works well
03:49 PM jym: There are things that should be put in a microwave, egss is one of them
03:49 PM jym: shuld NOT*
03:53 PM Deejay: gn8
04:30 PM ve7it: jym, I agree, I once thought I could make a hard boiled egg by putting the egg in a cup of water in the microwave... wife never forgave me
04:30 PM jym: ve7it: didn't poke a hole in the shell first, huh?
04:32 PM ve7it: lets just say it amazing how many places egg bits can get into and stick to!
04:32 PM jym: ve7it: You should have just bought her a new microwave =)
04:33 PM ve7it: luckily it was in a rental house!
04:33 PM jym: ve7it: And cooking eggs is an art... Taken me years to get scrambled eggs down
04:36 PM SpeedEvil: I have just taken eggs (in the plastic container they come in) out of my oven.
04:36 PM SpeedEvil: The container shrink-wraps to the eggs a bit at 130c for an hour, but it works fine.
04:38 PM jym: polymer flavored eggs.... no thanks
04:51 PM gonzo_: doing eggs in a camp fire is fun. You have to poke a finger size hole in. Have seen the result of someone who just did a pinhole. Which sealed itself
04:52 PM gonzo_: luckily I wasn't sat near when it went. But it was certainly 'shared' around
04:54 PM gonzo_: why were the eggs and package in the oven? You have a young child? They like to do things like that. Had the situation when friends littl'n had posted a plastic toy in there, and his missus hadn't noticed when the dinner went in
05:00 PM _unreal_: GOD what a long drive. just got back from picking up my daughter from her POS mothers.
05:02 PM gloops: 3 hours?
05:05 PM SpeedEvil: gonzo_: No water needed, no need to find a dish, just works.
05:09 PM jym: SpeedEvil: paprbag on the campfire eggs
05:09 PM jym: ???
05:09 PM SpeedEvil: jym: no, baking in the plastic container.
05:10 PM jym: SpeedEvil: I meant campfire cooking
05:13 PM jym: SpeedEvil: I did see soft baking whole eggs in the coals, but didn't look appealing when he cracked them open
05:14 PM jym: SpeedEvil: And I am NOT one of those people that "eat with their eyes" either, Don't care how it looks as long as it tstes good.
05:22 PM _unreal_: gloops, yes
05:22 PM _unreal_: #@$%@#$@# Xwife lives on the other side of the state...
05:22 PM _unreal_: I have are daughter 90% of the year
05:23 PM _unreal_: The courts were NOT happy with her ;)
05:27 PM gonzo_: how old?
05:27 PM mr_boo: hi
05:28 PM mr_boo: is this the most common pin configuration for the parallel port? https://discuss-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/optimized/3X/7/d/7d5fee22e276cbda8b18c99650da9669a7ab32a8_1_590x500.jpg
05:46 PM pcw_home: That's a very common arrangement of the step/dir pins (not that it really matters with LinuxCNC)
05:47 PM mr_boo: i'll go for that then
05:48 PM mr_boo: do you know if there exist a simple basic configuration with emergency stop switch incorporated?
05:48 PM mr_boo: such as simple schematic or block diagram
05:52 PM jym: mr_boo: You would probably need to use a BOB that has a heartbeat for the eSTOP aspects
05:53 PM jym: or use a safety relay
05:53 PM jym: or both
05:54 PM mr_boo: what i have got are the following, 3 stepper motors, 3 stepper drivers, a homemade psu and a computer with linuxcnc installed
05:54 PM mr_boo: i intend to construct the rest
05:54 PM jym: pcw_home: (whats the correct term I'm looking for "heartbeat pulse"??)
06:00 PM mr_boo: i'm not an expert on this but i guess linuxcnc supports the emergency stop feature so maybe i really don't need a hardware e-stop anyway
06:00 PM Tom_L: it's a good idea to do that in hardware
06:01 PM mr_boo: probably in case the pc would go nuts or something
06:01 PM mr_boo: the most obvious solution would be to just cut the power to everything with the push of the e-stop button
06:02 PM mr_boo: in fact i've got 3 geckodrive copies that a friend gave me
06:03 PM Tom_L: copies?
06:03 PM mr_boo: yes prolly made in china
06:04 PM mr_boo: they have no brand label on them
06:04 PM Tom_L: making a mill?
06:04 PM mr_boo: yes
06:04 PM Tom_L: i did that as well
06:04 PM Tom_L: how big are your steppers?
06:04 PM mr_boo: nema 23 and 74mm long
06:04 PM mr_boo: 0.189 Nm torque
06:04 PM Tom_L: in/oz
06:05 PM mr_boo: ~ 3 in long
06:05 PM Tom_L: those are pretty small
06:05 PM Tom_L: ~26.7 in/oz
06:05 PM Tom_L: mine are 570
06:06 PM mr_boo: the strongest with nema 23 format are the ones which have 0.3 Nm
06:06 PM Tom_L: plan for some fairly light cuts
06:07 PM mr_boo: i never intented to use this cnc for cutting motor parts in aluminium or steel
06:07 PM Tom_L: no problem, just didn't know what you expected
06:08 PM mr_boo: these stepper drivers were rather powerful with a large heatsink and the steppers where claimed as "high torque" steppers
06:08 PM Tom_L: that's a relative term
06:08 PM mr_boo: truly
06:09 PM mr_boo: i'd like my cnc to be precise as to be able to do some nice circuit boards
06:09 PM mr_boo: i realize this puts demands on accuracy on the leadscrews and assembly of the cnc
06:09 PM Tom_L: i think the first steppers i had on my sherline were around 80 in/oz .56 nm
06:10 PM Tom_L: and they were way too small to suit me
06:10 PM Tom_L: you definitely want to minimize friction
06:10 PM mr_boo: now i start to realize why the recommended applications for these steppers were "package industry" and "3d printer" rather than CNC :(
06:11 PM gonzo_: ballnuts rather than lead screws then?
06:11 PM Tom_L: ballscrews make a big difference
06:11 PM gonzo_: (makes my steppers sound almost industrial!)
06:11 PM jym: s/industrial/mario bros/
06:12 PM Tom_L: mine are probably oversize but i'd rather have that than the opposite problem
06:12 PM Tom_L: i have yet to stall them
06:12 PM jym: gonzo_'s stepper motors... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2AWswAMvw
06:13 PM mr_boo: still these steppers were ~ $25 each
06:13 PM gonzo_: I had numerous goes at adding motors to my mill. Nothing was really man enough. But when I changed out the worn out acme screws for good quality ballscrews, it moved the goalposts in a favourable direction
06:14 PM Tom_L: mr_boo, mine weren't much more than that: https://www.ebay.com/itm/3pcs-NEMA23-570OZ-IN-5A-3-8-DUAL-SHAFT-STEPPER-MOTOR/253223632606?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
06:14 PM gonzo_: ]does it maye me old, that I didn't recognise that. never payes that game
06:15 PM gonzo_: it post dates my computer game time
06:15 PM mr_boo: i don't think i got a good deal and besides that they were somewhat mashed up in transit
06:15 PM mr_boo: they did come in a plastic bag!!
06:15 PM Tom_L: i'm running gecko drivers on mine
06:15 PM mr_boo: not even a cardboard box
06:16 PM gonzo_: mine came in a big 'styrene package, hand collected. And that still got mashed by the weight
06:17 PM gonzo_: That YT video spooled on to 'this old tony'
06:17 PM gonzo_: wonder if that is based on my viewing, or would everyone get that
06:18 PM mr_boo: it would've been a great idea to talk to you guys before i ordered these steppers
06:18 PM mr_boo: for just a littel bit more money i could've got way stronger motors
06:20 PM gonzo_: life is a learning curve
06:20 PM XXCoder: cool project idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx2m2RELDz8
06:20 PM gonzo_: my mill is on mk4 retrofit
06:21 PM Tom_L: mr_boo what design are you doing your mill?
06:22 PM mr_boo: i think of something like this https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1aix4JpXXXXa1XXXXq6xXFXXXu/Best-price-cnc-machine-millingLFG6090-mini-cnc-mill-intechcnc-cnc-router-sale.jpg
06:23 PM Tom_L: so gantry style
06:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Column_Mill_VMC.jpg
06:23 PM Tom_L: that's what i did
06:23 PM mr_boo: but i guess an xy-table would be more accurate with coorinates
06:25 PM mr_boo: looks really neat
06:27 PM mr_boo: wonder if i could run my stepper at higher current if i add additional cooling to them with fin heatsink and even a coolling fan
06:27 PM Tom_L: i would consider larger steppers as an option
06:28 PM Tom_L: the geckos have idle current shutdown. dunno if the copies do or not
06:28 PM Tom_L: they product the most heat when not moving
06:28 PM Tom_L: produce*
06:28 PM mr_boo: i tested these with their rated current for an hour or so and the motors did get hot after a while
06:29 PM Tom_L: mine get warm but not anywhere near 'hot'
06:29 PM Tom_L: but i'm also only running them at half their rated current
06:30 PM Tom_L: still plenty of torque
06:30 PM mr_boo: do you think letting them get hot would reduce life as the magnetic properties would get affected?
06:31 PM Tom_L: too hot yes but steppers run somewhat hot
06:39 PM mr_boo: is there a rough figure (order of magnitude) of what torque a stepper motor should have in order to be suitable for CNC applications in general?
06:41 PM gonzo_: last long run on mine, the motor was >100deg C!
06:41 PM mr_boo: holy
06:41 PM gonzo_: hmm, yep
06:42 PM gonzo_: that is with big sinks on
06:42 PM gonzo_: recon needs more and some fans
06:42 PM _unreal_: still waiting for the company I work for to go for it making a few of these
06:42 PM _unreal_: https://a360.co/2Mo7Jrw
06:42 PM _unreal_: Maybe not ERXACTLY to that design but close to it
06:43 PM mr_boo: my journey of making me a CNC is gonny be really complicated i realize
06:43 PM mr_boo: hope it'll be rewarding in the end
06:43 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, how much do you plan to spend?
06:43 PM _unreal_: have you ever used or owned a CNC before?
06:43 PM mr_boo: i made me a wire winder earlier
06:43 PM * roycroft just finished making the mounting plate for his x-y table, and now has it mounted on his rotary table
06:43 PM gonzo_: is that a req?
06:44 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, again how much do you plan to spend building a machine?
06:44 PM _unreal_: how big of a machine? what are you design specs etc.....
06:44 PM mr_boo: as little money as possible
06:45 PM mr_boo: if money wasn't an issue i guess this channel wouldn't exist
06:45 PM _unreal_: ok have you done a cost analysis yet?
06:45 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, HARDLY
06:45 PM _unreal_: its very easy to make large sums of money
06:45 PM mr_boo: well i've already spend lot on crappy motors
06:46 PM _unreal_: how much
06:46 PM _unreal_: and again WHAT SIZE machine are you going for
06:46 PM gonzo_: didn't you mean, easy to SPEND large sums?
06:46 PM mr_boo: like $80 ish on the 3 steppers
06:46 PM _unreal_: give me some specs PLEASE and I can give you some good advice
06:46 PM mr_boo: the stepper drivers were a gift from a friend
06:46 PM _unreal_: gonzo_, ALWAYS true :)
06:47 PM mr_boo: well my main objective would be circuit boards and panels for potentiometers and buttons
06:47 PM _unreal_: what?
06:47 PM mr_boo: i don't intend to make motor part made in steel for example
06:47 PM _unreal_: are you planning on milling PCB boards? are you planning on putting nice designs on plastic?
06:48 PM _unreal_: are you planing on cutting plywood parts or even aluminum. HWAT is your work area desires
06:48 PM mr_boo: when it comes to size i would think of making objects rougly big as a computer keyboard
06:48 PM * _unreal_ palm to face
06:48 PM _unreal_: sooooo 6-7" by 16"
06:49 PM _unreal_: and what materials are you "cutting"
06:49 PM _unreal_: desire to cut
06:49 PM mr_boo: FR4 circuit boards and plastic and wood
06:49 PM _unreal_: ok... thats what I needed to know
06:50 PM mr_boo: i guess aluminium is much tougher than the mentioned materials above
06:50 PM _unreal_: its ashame you have already purchased motors your going to spend a LOT more in to build a machine to do what you desire then it would cost to just buy a china made POS cnc that does the same job really well
06:51 PM _unreal_: purchasing a machine for that size work area and materials would cost you around $200 including controllrs mtors everything
06:51 PM _unreal_: + shipping
06:51 PM mr_boo: i know that but how good are they really
06:51 PM _unreal_: 6040 would be a good start for you
06:51 PM _unreal_: what do you do for work
06:52 PM _unreal_: tick tock
06:52 PM mr_boo: i've taken up my studies again after many years
06:52 PM _unreal_: ???
06:52 PM _unreal_: that tells me nothing
06:52 PM _unreal_: I am a marine engineer
06:53 PM mr_boo: i haven't had a real employment ever
06:53 PM _unreal_: I work on super yachts, luxury yachts most boats etc.... I do everything from glass work to design. cad, electronics etc....
06:53 PM _unreal_: ?
06:53 PM _unreal_: how old are you
06:53 PM mr_boo: 41
06:53 PM _unreal_: self employed?
06:54 PM mr_boo: me and a friend tried to make cnc units for plasma cutters back in the days
06:54 PM mr_boo: well when i finally finish my studies i plan to to some cnc stuff
06:54 PM mr_boo: i can build stuff
06:55 PM mr_boo: just because i'm not successful in life doesn't mean i'm totally lost
06:55 PM _unreal_: ok.... well I'm done giving advice. so far I know you have little or no work experience. so no real background work on. your going to spend way more in $ and time trying to build a machine TRUST ME.....
06:55 PM mr_boo: however i make a lot of crazy priorities from time to time
06:56 PM mr_boo: wouldn't it be possible to buy a kit and use these motors i already have?
06:56 PM gonzo_: one of the most useful parts of my uni course, was 'engineering accountacny'
06:56 PM gonzo_: making decisions based on cold accounting
06:56 PM mr_boo: i've worked mostly with electronics and rather little with the mechanical part
06:56 PM _unreal_: engineering accountacny
06:57 PM gonzo_: yep, I chose that over 'spelling' or 'typing'
06:58 PM mr_boo: but from the start i must admit i had the gut feeling that making a CNC without any experience can't be a winning concept over buying a kit
06:58 PM Tom_L: mr_boo i'd say if you want to do it don't let anybody discourage you but have a plan
06:58 PM gonzo_: I don't touch type, so I'm looking at the kbd. And have hit rtn before looking up
06:59 PM gonzo_: there is a lot of experience here (and I don't include myself in that!). Take advice rather than having to make all the mistakes again
06:59 PM Tom_L: everyone's experience level and requirements here are different
06:59 PM mr_boo: btw are the motors i bought ~ 26 in/oz weaker than the $200 CNC kit?
06:59 PM Tom_L: i dunno for sure but i'd say yes
07:00 PM mr_boo: holy cow then i've really screwed up
07:00 PM mr_boo: i really overrated these motors
07:00 PM Tom_L: i've seen 74in/oz nema17 advertised for 3d printers
07:00 PM mr_boo: weird that they still cost almost half as the CNC kit. must be hugely overpriced
07:01 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, motor size an OZ/IN go hand in hand. but regardless bigger oz/in=less likely to loose steps. more power to cut with. FASTER
07:01 PM Tom_L: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-59Ncm-84oz-in-Nema-17-Stepper-Motor-2A-4-wire-1m-Cable-for-DIY-3D/32589488227.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.42ba5c923lSwE4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_5%2Csearchweb201603_53&algo_pvid=464b6de3-434c-4f11-949f-94e2830f8751&btsid=1c9b6970-97de-490b-b807-511398106bf7&algo_expid=464b6de3-434c-4f11-949f-94e2830f8751-6
07:02 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, there are two schools of thought. you can have FAST but weak motors. (those are used on 3d printers) they dont expect to see much of any resistance
07:02 PM Tom_L: 84 in oz nema17
07:02 PM Tom_L: $60 for 5
07:03 PM _unreal_: So the chances of loosing steps is very low. BUT if you want to do milling or a subtractive machine. you need to be able to push the cutting head though your work material
07:03 PM _unreal_: that can be al ot of resistnce TRUST ME
07:04 PM _unreal_: plus the vibrations and bouncing of the spindle (router/ dremel/ what ever motor) can cause sudden jolts that cause lost steps if your feed rates are to hight....'
07:04 PM _unreal_: high
07:04 PM gonzo_: engraving pcb's is going to be pretty low resistance though ?
07:04 PM mr_boo: those nema17 motors are even smaller than the ones i got but twice as strong
07:04 PM _unreal_: gonzo_, depends on feed rates
07:04 PM Tom_L: :)
07:05 PM mr_boo: i guess i wont need speed at this point
07:05 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, cutting wood consider nema24+
07:05 PM _unreal_: My cnc machine has nema34's
07:05 PM Tom_L: build it with what you have and once you're done later you can always upgrade them
07:05 PM _unreal_: and I'm still loosing steps now and then
07:05 PM mr_boo: but if i'll ever will get to produce a series of something speed would become an issue
07:05 PM _unreal_: if I give it to much in the feed rates
07:06 PM mr_boo: i was naive to the point as to believe that these motors would be as strong as to be able to avoid loosing steps
07:07 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, if your going to build a machine by hand. your best bet is to use WOOD and MDF.. problem with that is that you cant CANT make it really small. wood of any kind of heavy so you need the power to make the machine move. Hence bigger nema motors higher oz/in
07:07 PM _unreal_: it all goes hand in hand
07:08 PM XXCoder: whats boo's usercase anyway
07:08 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, any motor can loose steps if it does not have an encoder
07:08 PM XXCoder: if its all just circuit board engraving, can make it out of 1010 extrusions
07:08 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, he has no money
07:08 PM XXCoder: so budget is literally $0?
07:09 PM gonzo_: I believe that you can have power or speed, but not both together. At low speed you miss steps, at high speed, ther steppers just lose their 'grip' and stall. But most normal machining (that I do) you only go fats when positioning the tooling, which is not cutting, so low loading
07:09 PM XXCoder: aliexpress you can get 2020s really cheap as long as under 550mm
07:09 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, "<mr_boo> i haven't had a real employment ever"
07:09 PM Tom_L: gonzo_, you can have both but speed costs money
07:10 PM Tom_L: at some point though you would switch to servos
07:10 PM gonzo_: for steppers, generally you only fget reletive force at low speed
07:10 PM mr_boo: whacky that these motors are ~ 3 inch long and are weaker than many small steppers such as the nema17 linked above
07:10 PM mr_boo: and also more expensive
07:10 PM mr_boo: makes no sense
07:11 PM Tom_L: you didn't shop around
07:11 PM mr_boo: things are starting to look real grim
07:11 PM _unreal_: not grim
07:11 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, the fix is to use gearing
07:11 PM _unreal_: mechanical advantage. but that depends on how much load you expect to have
07:12 PM XXCoder: also double check and settle down on design. I wasted $300 or so on rails and screws that have seen no use so far.
07:12 PM mr_boo: this'll be my destiny as well if i don't make the right desisions now
07:12 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, do you have tools DO YOU KNOW how to use tools like routers. table saws hole saws etc....
07:13 PM _unreal_: all the basic tools 99% of the people use to make cnc machines with
07:13 PM mr_boo: yes
07:13 PM mr_boo: i have a crasily small workshop
07:13 PM XXCoder: execellent. can always hunt down scrap wood!
07:13 PM mr_boo: a small table mill, table saw and a lathe
07:13 PM XXCoder: ask shops aropund if ok to get pallets
07:13 PM XXCoder: lots free wood!
07:13 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, your cheapest bet for a cnc is to build a wood cnc design
07:14 PM XXCoder: if possible find scrap limated wood which is better for some stuff
07:14 PM gonzo_: you can always hack together bits to get you going, then using the machiune to remake new tidy bits
07:14 PM mr_boo: i've even been thinking of having the nuts made of wood
07:14 PM mr_boo: this worked for the wire winder
07:14 PM _unreal_: with 90 degree angle aluminum on 45 degree chamfer cuts on the edge of wood
07:14 PM mr_boo: forcing machine threads through wood will be free of backlash
07:14 PM _unreal_: THAT would be your cheapest design cost for cost.
07:15 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, no
07:15 PM _unreal_: wood will not work as a theaded drive "nut"
07:15 PM mr_boo: it did for the wire winder
07:15 PM Tom_L: some wood is very hard but i still wouldn't recomend it
07:15 PM mr_boo: but it reauires a long piece of wood
07:15 PM _unreal_: if your going to use threaded rod (your only cheap option) then you use coupler nuts. OR you get starbaord and TAP that
07:16 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, no one here will reccomend that. it will not last
07:16 PM gonzo_: and high friction?
07:17 PM mr_boo: as long as i got time and scrap material i guess i could play around
07:17 PM mr_boo: in fact the wire winder came out pretty useful
07:17 PM Tom_L: got pics?
07:18 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, https://www.amazon.com/KING-STARBOARD-White-12-27/dp/B00S1KX508/ref=asc_df_B00S1KX508/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312142597187&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5832211357481093150&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9012012&hvtargid=pla-761033185592&psc=1
07:18 PM mr_boo: i had a video once but i'll have to search for it
07:19 PM _unreal_: OMG my internet is crawling
07:19 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, https://www.lowes.com/pd/hillman-1-count-0-500-in-zinc-plated-standard-sae-regular-nut/3013471?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-hdw-_-google-_-lia-_-126-_-fasteners-_-3013471-_-0&kpid&store_code=1069&&k_clickID=go_1737082938_73652688888_338436039340_pla-333193706604_c_9012012&gclid=Cj0KCQjwj_XpBRCCARIsAItJiuRxiN3AnBpu7QYhF6mcLGUdckPsiOUhx1NeJZi14FZdBQ-FLFc7gWwaAhs6EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
07:20 PM _unreal_: those nuts are easy to deal with and very cheap. Thats a .5" one likely bigger then you need
07:20 PM roycroft: please to shorten those urls, thank you very much :)
07:21 PM gonzo_: one of the colleagues at work built a mill, with thick MDF, linear bearings and theaded bar/studding. And uses a woodwork router as the spindle. Works on ali, but needs to take very light cuts
07:21 PM gonzo_: mastoly used on plastics
07:21 PM _unreal_: using a small strip of brass 1"x2" you can braise then with a torch and solder. will hold reall good
07:21 PM gonzo_: mostly
07:21 PM Tom_L: roycroft has limited bandwidth
07:22 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, lol
07:22 PM XXCoder: them bytes is expensive
07:22 PM Tom_L: sry, i'm just tired...
07:22 PM roycroft: i have a 25 line window for irc
07:22 PM roycroft: those two links were 9 lines
07:22 PM roycroft: over 1/4 of my screen
07:22 PM XXCoder: geez! whats you use
07:22 PM _unreal_: wtf?
07:23 PM roycroft: i use as much real estate as i can spare for an irc session
07:23 PM roycroft: and that's a single 80x25 terminal window
07:23 PM gonzo_: low res rules
07:23 PM jym: fuck short urls
07:23 PM Tom_L: 1 line tty
07:24 PM roycroft: i actually have a 27" retina display imac with two external 27" 4k displays
07:24 PM roycroft: but i do more with my computer than irc
07:24 PM Tom_L: i'm sure we all do
07:24 PM _unreal_: so mr_boo in conclusion what we are all getting at is that you need to put together a plan. .... ;) PLAN B... at this point LOL. come up with a design. see what your working oz/in is and can be depending on gearing and have a finished design put together. IF not your going to go no where real fast
07:25 PM gonzo_: recall once being in a bragging conversation about projectors, and admitted that my projector was 600x800 resolution
07:25 PM gonzo_: you can see the pixels on the wall
07:25 PM _unreal_: gonzo_, lol
07:25 PM gonzo_: I explained to them that I just used analogue sownscaling
07:25 PM roycroft: if you are close enough
07:25 PM gonzo_: downscaling
07:25 PM _unreal_: I got a 720p projector with I believe 1hr run time on it
07:25 PM _unreal_: have never really used it
07:26 PM roycroft: i have a 55" 1080p tv in my living room
07:26 PM roycroft: if i stand close to it i can see the pixels
07:26 PM roycroft: if i sit across the room on the sofa i cannot
07:26 PM _unreal_: 50" 4k here
07:26 PM gonzo_: after a while whilst they argued in confusion. i explained, I just take my glasses off
07:26 PM _unreal_: thought the marant 7.1 is starting to fail :(
07:26 PM mr_boo: thanks for all tips guys
07:27 PM mr_boo: seeya later
07:27 PM _unreal_: mr_boo, so MAKE a plan
07:27 PM roycroft: or downgrade them to an old 12" tandy cga display with the crt almost totally burned out and so dim you can barely see it in a dark room
07:27 PM mr_boo: i will
07:27 PM _unreal_: he has no plan
07:27 PM roycroft: and then ask them how the "pixilated" projector is
07:28 PM * roycroft needs to get back to the hot, hot shop for a while
07:28 PM gonzo_: the original british TV standard was 405 line. That was HD. Well in it's day
07:28 PM XXCoder: heh roycroft second screen here is 99% for irc
07:28 PM * gonzo_ needs to go to bed. 1:24am here
07:29 PM roycroft: it's actually not horrible today
07:29 PM XXCoder: 1% is when I need to read 2 windows so once ie: instructions on second screen while working on program on other
07:29 PM roycroft: it only got up to 28
07:29 PM roycroft: and only 31 in the shop
07:29 PM Tom_L: gonzo_, where are you?
07:29 PM gonzo_: uk
07:29 PM roycroft: yesterday it was 33 outside, and 40 in the shop
07:29 PM XXCoder: 31 would be just below freezing here ;)
07:29 PM XXCoder: 77f here nice weather
07:30 PM roycroft: the big win is that i'm done with machining/grinding for the day
07:30 PM roycroft: i just have some woodworking to do
07:31 PM roycroft: so i can put on shorts and a light shirt
07:31 PM roycroft: wearing heavy clothing in hot weather is definitely not fun
07:32 PM XXCoder: wish we have maxwell's demon device thats big enough to keep shop cool
07:43 PM _unreal_: 8:30 here
07:43 PM _unreal_: pm
07:44 PM _unreal_: roycroft, where are you?
07:44 PM t4nk_freenode: 8:39, you liar!!
07:44 PM t4nk_freenode: :b
07:44 PM _unreal_: 33f outside
07:44 PM _unreal_: shhhh
07:44 PM * _unreal_ checks local weather
07:44 PM _unreal_: it is currently 82F outside
07:45 PM _unreal_: 86% humidity
07:45 PM _unreal_: and the sun is down LOL
07:46 PM _unreal_: roy are you talking C or F temp?
07:50 PM _unreal_: so has any one seen fdarling at all?
07:50 PM _unreal_: guy sees to be totally MIA
08:09 PM Tom_L: it happens on irc
08:30 PM Elmo40: it is Summer.
08:30 PM Elmo40: time to lounge at the beach. enjoy a cool one. who has time for IRC
08:31 PM roycroft: i don't do fahrenheit
08:32 PM roycroft: and i am in western oregon, on the west coast of the usa
08:32 PM * roycroft decides to not push to finish one of his projects that he wanted to complete this weekend
08:33 PM roycroft: i shall have completed two of the three - that's pretty good
08:33 PM roycroft: especially considering how hot it's been
08:33 PM roycroft: hot weather just sucks all the energy out of me, and i have to struggle to work faster than at a snail's pace
08:42 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/zvxoHUT 4K projector over a 21" x 12" area
08:43 PM CaptHindsight: if you play a racing game with it the headlight in the rear view mirrors blind you just like on the road
08:46 PM CaptHindsight: sometime we project them on the shop walls at 30ft x 18ft
08:48 PM XXCoder: is that picture of projector>?
08:49 PM XXCoder: looks more like resin printer
08:57 PM kyle__: Hello.
08:57 PM XXCoder: yo
08:57 PM kyle__: Anyone use a maslow cnc w/makercam?
08:57 PM XXCoder: so any video on cnc issues
08:57 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: 4K projector in the resin printer
08:57 PM XXCoder: ahhok capt
08:58 PM kyle__: I'm doing my first real cut, and Z thinks it's .5 inches into the material, but it's actually close to an inch
08:58 PM kyle__: It's all the way through the .75" stock I've got in there.
08:58 PM XXCoder: sounds like setup issue
08:58 PM Elmo40: offset issue?
08:58 PM XXCoder: tlo, or z setting
08:58 PM Elmo40: using steppers? maybe steps/mm is out?
08:59 PM kyle__: Honestly I'm not sure what these are. I got a kit for it. I think it's actually some sort of geared servo. Because it doesn't look like a typical stepper to me.
08:59 PM Elmo40: use a dial indicator. travel up and down the dial. see if it is the same as the dial.
08:59 PM kyle__: (in either the arduino hardware driving it or the shape of the motors)
08:59 PM Elmo40: links? photos?
09:00 PM kyle__: They've got a lot of shots of the parts in here: https://www.makermadecnc.com/#
09:00 PM Elmo40: you can manually position the tool? clamp a dial in the holder and do the Z movements. see if it is accurate that way.
09:00 PM kyle__: That's the one I have. It's a maslow CNC> All open source, etc.
09:00 PM roycroft: some of the small mill/drills travel 0.050" per revolution on the z axis, not 0.100" like on the x and y
09:01 PM kyle__: Yes. I can . It's basically coupled to the router's height adjustment.
09:01 PM kyle__: Holdon, getting a picture.
09:03 PM kyle__: https://imgur.com/a/3GoiUo5
09:03 PM Elmo40: very interesting concept
09:03 PM kyle__: So, literally, the Z axis the screw on an off the shelf rigid router base, with a flexible coupling to a motor.
09:04 PM kyle__: They manage to make a nearly vertical full 4x8' cnc pretty cheap this way.
09:04 PM kyle__: Of course, I'm hitting teething issues ;)
09:04 PM Elmo40: maybe the pitch of the z-screw is different than programmed?
09:04 PM Elmo40: is there a config file?
09:04 PM XXCoder: yeah need to measure how far it moves when commanded to move certain distance
09:05 PM XXCoder: but also need to checj tool length setting see if its correct, and make sure zero for z is at correct place
09:05 PM XXCoder: thats the basics
09:05 PM Elmo40: the appear to be 12VDC motors.
09:05 PM kyle__: I think so. A seperate power supply goes to an adruino-backpack type contraption
09:06 PM Elmo40: then again... the motor cables are 6-wire.
09:06 PM Elmo40: and it uses a GRBL board.
09:06 PM Elmo40: that to me says stepper
09:07 PM XXCoder: stepper standard is 4
09:07 PM kyle__: Oh, I didn't realize taht was a grbl board. Damn me for skimming.
09:07 PM * kyle__ sighs
09:07 PM Elmo40: standard is 4, yes, but there are 6-wire steppers
09:07 PM kyle__: OK. WEll, zeroing Z is basically inch it forward until it touches the work, and click set-zero in their interface.
09:08 PM kyle__: So I have to wait until after this cut.
09:08 PM Elmo40: makes sense
09:08 PM XXCoder: ok so you use tool dermined zero. the simplest type
09:08 PM Elmo40: they really dont go into details about the items
09:09 PM kyle__: My gib problem is that it's a vertical machine, and the tabs meant to hold the workpeices in place are below the surface of the work, so I have to dart in and put a few brads into each part before it's done cutting through.
09:09 PM kyle__: s/gib/big/
09:10 PM kyle__: So, is a tool determined zero pretty common for hobby level, or even higher, machines?
09:10 PM XXCoder: mostly hobby
09:10 PM Elmo40: did you program the board or just plug'n'play their stuff?
09:11 PM kyle__: I've used 3d printers and lasercutters, but this is my first devices that does physical cutting based on my gcode, so I'm very green.
09:11 PM XXCoder: company you usually use common reference zero and dermine part zero and tool lengths with that.
09:11 PM XXCoder: impossible with your machine though
09:11 PM kyle__: Elmo40: You have to flash the firmware to it, because it could have changed between now and packaging, but you didn't have to actualy twiddle bits or program like you do when you customise marlin or grbl builds.
09:11 PM XXCoder: and essentally pointless to do more complex than tool dermined zero
09:12 PM * kyle__ nods nods
09:12 PM kyle__: The Z axis is mostly so you can move the router around without cutting the work the entire time.
09:13 PM Elmo40: this style of Z-offset is typical with single-tool machines. If you had a chuck system and (easily) change out a tool for a different cutter then there are stored tool offset values in relation to a common point on the machine. then the material-offset is also measured in relation to the common point on the machine.
09:13 PM kyle__: I mean you can do pockets and drill holes as well, but your precision is limmited.
09:13 PM XXCoder: indeed
09:13 PM XXCoder: your machine is very close to being true 2d machine. only ones that actually is is water jet, laser, and plasma (cutting not engrave)
09:14 PM Elmo40: kyle__, you simply downloaded their .bin file to flash the arduino?
09:14 PM kyle__: I downloaded the arduino procject from their github (stable branch IIRC) and built it.
09:14 PM kyle__: Slightly more than flashing a bin, but only slightly
09:15 PM Elmo40: you eventually going to do this?
09:15 PM Elmo40: http://maslowcommunitygarden.org/The-Meticulous-Z-Axis.html
09:16 PM kyle__: I am now....
09:17 PM kyle__: I just got this from the Mrs for my birthday, and this is the first night it's been 100% finished and functional
09:17 PM kyle__: Haven't looked into upgrades yet.
09:17 PM Elmo40: interesting. they are 'motors with an encoder'.
09:18 PM XXCoder: "servo" thats actually stepper with encoder
09:18 PM Elmo40: there is an 'motorgearboxencoder' file
09:18 PM XXCoder: no wonder it has 6 wires.
09:18 PM Elmo40: yeah. stepper with feedback
09:19 PM Elmo40: kyle__, all the items you need to change, for when you change, are in Settings.cpp
09:20 PM kyle__: Cool. Thank you.
09:20 PM Elmo40: sysSettings.zDistPerRot = 3.17
09:20 PM Elmo40: i am assuming the values are metric, and one 360deg turn moves Z 3.17mm
09:21 PM Elmo40: now, 360deg turn of what, the motor or the output shaft? it does have a gearbox...
09:21 PM Elmo40: i would guess the motor.
09:22 PM kyle__: So, as to the CAM question: what's the best thing to use on linux? Maslow recommends "MakerCam" which is a flash based webapp, and JSCut, which is a less fully featured javascript one.
09:22 PM Elmo40: this value is interesting. unsure what they use it for, though...
09:22 PM Elmo40: sysSettings.sledWeight = 11.6*9.8; // Newtons. For a sled with one ring kit, one Rigid 2200 router and two 2.35kg bricks on a 5/8" thick mdf 18" diameter base.
09:22 PM Elmo40: use the website
09:23 PM kyle__: Yeah, because the sled is suspended from two points like an odd pendulum, it does a LOT of math.
09:23 PM Elmo40: but weight?
09:23 PM kyle__: Although now that I think of it, I should disconnect my sled and weigh it.
09:23 PM Elmo40: what can it possibly do with this value?
09:23 PM kyle__: Weight to figure out how hard they can run those little motors.
09:24 PM kyle__: And how long to wait for the sled to rotate on the ring to be in the right position.
09:24 PM Elmo40: i suppose...
09:24 PM Elmo40: but then you add the tool deep into the material. the weight is meaningless
09:24 PM kyle__: So if I understand it right, they have to calculate how quickly they can turn, things like that as well. The setup of these motors is incredibly unique.
09:24 PM kyle__: Humm. Point.
09:25 PM Elmo40: i am interested to see how you manage a full-board cut.
09:26 PM kyle__: Once I figure it out I'll post pictures.
09:26 PM Elmo40: do a landscape that is as wide as possible. how well does the router stay the course near the extremes
09:26 PM CaptHindsight: Z is up down, that z is sideways
09:26 PM kyle__: For now when I get too close to the bottom corners the chain retraction tends to bind up.
09:26 PM Elmo40: CaptHindsight, meh. same thing. in relation to the material the Z is still up/down
09:27 PM CaptHindsight: no, up down based on the center of gravity
09:27 PM CaptHindsight: now you want to change up and down
09:27 PM Elmo40: kyle__, chain... not my choice. and only 2 motors. it should really me more like a Delta machine. one in the lower center.
09:27 PM CaptHindsight: what next the sky is sideways?
09:28 PM Elmo40: it is night time. i dont see the sky. it is on the other side of the world... >_<
09:28 PM Elmo40: so it is upside down
09:29 PM kyle__: I don't wann go to the upside down.
09:29 PM Elmo40: yes. Z is in/out, but on an angle (like a horizontal mill...)
09:29 PM CaptHindsight: it's dark here to but i can still see the sky
09:29 PM kyle__: But it's night here to. I may have to pause this cut and continue tomorrow night, because work is early.
09:30 PM Elmo40: i dont mean on an angle like a horizontal mill. i meant in/out like a horizontal mill.
09:30 PM Elmo40: but this sits on an slight angle. so... what is it now? slight up/out and in/down?
09:30 PM CaptHindsight: does this one use two motors mounted above the router and relies on gravity to move the opposite direction from the motors?
09:30 PM Elmo40: yes
09:30 PM Elmo40: hence the bricks.
09:31 PM kyle__: Bricks Bungies and zip ties. Yes. This s one high class machine.
09:31 PM Elmo40: https://mlm8st6acbv7.i.optimole.com/w:1349/h:795/q:0/https://www.makermadecnc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/makemag-289.jpg
09:32 PM Elmo40: i didnt even notice the bearings on the radius
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: bet it has trouble working with tree bark
09:33 PM Elmo40: it is for plywood/mdf/plastic sheet
09:33 PM Elmo40: not live edge
09:33 PM Elmo40: kyle__, no offence, but not a system i'd build myself.
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: replace the router with a spray can and use for graffiti
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: you could tag a large wall in minutes
09:34 PM Elmo40: thank the misses, though. it is an excuse to make sawdust and pretty things
09:34 PM kyle__: That's ok. Most of the ones I lusted after before I got this would'nt fit in my budget or my garage :)
09:34 PM kyle__: Yes. Lots of sawdust. An AMAZING amount of sawdust from this simple chair pattern I found.
09:34 PM kyle__: And even if it's not the most precise thing, it's a lot of fun.
09:35 PM Elmo40: https://www.ronnyziss.com/copy-of-psycheledic
09:35 PM Elmo40: CaptHindsight, there is one
09:35 PM XXCoder: theres bunch of unteresting 4x8 sheet patterns
09:35 PM XXCoder: like set of outside chairs and table
09:35 PM kyle__: That's awesome.
09:35 PM * kyle__ nods
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgjdik4Jt4E
09:36 PM Elmo40: you want to make chairs?
09:36 PM kyle__: Once I get a little more comfortable with it, I was going to use it for playing with some new desks, and maybe some stitch and glue canoe patterns
09:36 PM Elmo40: http://www.sketchchair.cc/
09:37 PM XXCoder: that is nice
09:37 PM kyle__: Very nice.
09:38 PM kyle__: I hadn't seen sketchchair before. I had seen opendesk, and was really sad they seem to have evaporated.
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: SketchChair is a free, open-source software tool that allows anyone to easily design and build their own digitally fabricated furniture.
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: so it's like freecad?
09:40 PM XXCoder: not really looks different way and more specific
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: i have an idea for an open source thing that lets you control a computer
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: handles things like IO transfers, file systems, memory access etc
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: enough fooling around for tonight
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: this weeks buzzword is: Edge Computing
09:45 PM kyle__: Goodnight
09:45 PM Elmo40: kyle__, show pics later on!
09:45 PM Elmo40: CaptHindsight, edge computing?
09:49 PM kyle__: I will!
09:49 PM kyle__: I'm out as well.
09:49 PM kyle__: goodinght
09:49 PM XXCoder: later
10:24 PM jym: XXCoder: https://damndelicious.net/2019/06/07/chicken-satay-with-peanut-sauce/
10:25 PM XXCoder: great light gray text on white
10:25 PM jym: XXCoder: not here
10:25 PM XXCoder: black text on white there eh?
10:27 PM jym: XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com/JFZegxx.png
10:27 PM XXCoder: black titles rest is medium gray
10:27 PM XXCoder: "for the peanut..." title is light gray
10:27 PM jym: you saw the ss -shrug-
10:28 PM XXCoder: uh
10:28 PM XXCoder: I was discribing colors on ss
10:28 PM jym: XXCoder: quit smoking the coolant?
10:28 PM XXCoder: I dont smoke anything thats death for me
10:29 PM jym: Fine, click the PRINT RECIPE to pdf
10:29 PM XXCoder: invert colors work fine
10:29 PM jym: See, you are just fucking with your browser =)
10:29 PM XXCoder: fine hold on
10:30 PM jym: lol
10:30 PM XXCoder: chromeium has NO mods
10:30 PM jym: I'm using FF
10:30 PM XXCoder: me too. you insisted it was my addons so...
10:31 PM XXCoder: its as bad.
10:31 PM jym: I didn't say addons, I said you been fucking /tweeking shit =)
10:31 PM XXCoder: lol
10:32 PM jym: XXCoder: in FF, jsut clieck READER MODE at the top
10:32 PM XXCoder: https://mybrowseraddon.com/dark-mode.html
10:32 PM XXCoder: THE plugin I love
10:33 PM XXCoder: reader mode makes it slightly darker text so definitely more readable.
10:33 PM XXCoder: i never used it before nice
10:33 PM XXCoder: ignores dark mode tho lol
10:33 PM jym: quit annoying me and just read the damn recipe =)
10:33 PM XXCoder: rereading
10:33 PM XXCoder: definitely not shoe leather pk
10:34 PM XXCoder: fairly long prep timne
10:34 PM jym: pfff, it's a zziplock bag in the frig overnight.... please
10:35 PM jym: it aint microwave pizza rolls... it's REAL food
10:35 PM XXCoder: i dont eat microwave pizza rolls
10:35 PM jym: hot pockets, whatever
10:35 PM XXCoder: nor that
10:36 PM jym: Fine no more recipes for you!
10:36 PM XXCoder: lol
10:36 PM XXCoder: im passing it to my sis in law tho
10:36 PM jym: punk!