#linuxcnc Logs
Jul 27 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM XXCoder: arylic is less sensive to that but..
12:04 AM XXCoder: btw nylon you need shitloads of coolant
12:04 AM pink_vampire: the molten plastic fly from the cutter
12:04 AM pink_vampire: this is so crazy
12:04 AM XXCoder: :)
12:04 AM XXCoder: whats you making anyway
12:04 AM pink_vampire: you only see trail of smoke
12:04 AM pink_vampire: so fun
12:09 AM pink_vampire: I'm trying to cut acrylic very fast, so I have some fun push the cutting speed
12:14 AM XXCoder: hopefully you figure feed and rpm for clean edge cuts
12:14 AM XXCoder: you probably want some mist coolant to keep temperate down to prevent bending by heat
12:24 AM pink_vampire: what is the best way to drill holes in acrylic?
12:24 AM pink_vampire: peak? or not?
12:25 AM XXCoder: i dont know, we dont run arylic at work
12:25 AM XXCoder: maybe peck cycle
12:25 AM XXCoder: prevent it from getting too warm
12:25 AM XXCoder: maybe watch some videos on arylic milling
12:31 AM pink_vampire: 120 holes start now
12:31 AM pink_vampire: 2mm drill
12:31 AM pink_vampire: 60K rpm
12:36 AM pink_vampire: it look good
12:36 AM pink_vampire: but fail
12:37 AM XXCoder: what happened?
12:38 AM pink_vampire: too sloooow
12:38 AM XXCoder: got hot eh?
12:38 AM pink_vampire: no
12:38 AM pink_vampire: just slow
12:38 AM pink_vampire: the cut is perfect
12:39 AM XXCoder: nice :)
12:45 AM CaptHindsight: BOO!
12:45 AM XXCoder: you owe me new computer
12:46 AM CaptHindsight: scare the bits out of it?
12:47 AM CaptHindsight: need cooling for acrylic cutting
12:48 AM CaptHindsight: or use a laser
12:48 AM XXCoder: not as bad as nylon
12:48 AM CaptHindsight: or C4
12:48 AM XXCoder: if you use mist cooler nylon will laugh at you and lock your endmill
12:48 AM XXCoder: and take your mom out in a date
12:49 AM CaptHindsight: ever mill ice?
12:50 AM XXCoder: nope
12:50 AM XXCoder: saw some videos. cooool
12:51 AM CaptHindsight: https://www.livescience.com/66018-permanently-magnetic-liquids.html
12:52 AM XXCoder: ya saw that, interesting
12:52 AM XXCoder: wonder what applications it will be in.
01:16 AM pink_vampire: half of it done
01:16 AM pink_vampire: now half parting
02:08 AM Deejay: moin
02:10 AM pink_vampire: moin moin moin moin moin moin moin moin moin moin moin very moin Deejay
05:32 AM gonzo_: that was very morning
05:32 AM gonzo_: less so now
05:33 AM XXCoder: its super ultra morning here. 3:28 am
05:44 AM gonzo_: or is it a late night?
05:44 AM XXCoder: its both
06:00 AM gonzo_: that needs a beer interface
06:12 AM jthornton: morning
06:50 AM Tom_L: morning
06:51 AM XXCoder: morningnight
06:52 AM jthornton: niebubfg'
06:57 AM XXCoder: whats up
06:59 AM jthornton: someone is buying our hot tub my wife bought and we never used :)
07:02 AM XXCoder: whaaa
07:02 AM XXCoder: hot tub, and never used
07:06 AM Tom_L: get to sort thru all the water soaked junk today
07:07 AM Tom_L: sorted the big pieces last night and emptied them for keep or disposal
07:07 AM jthornton: yea never got a roundtuit to run 220v from laundry room panel through the house to the florida room
07:13 AM XXCoder: 220v dang thats lot of power
07:51 AM _abc_: Hi. Does anyone know if there's a Stretch compatible linxcnc-userland package somewhere?
07:51 AM _abc_: .deb
07:52 AM JesusAlos1 is now known as JesusAlos
08:02 AM pcw_home: _abc_ there's a LinuxCNC-Stretch-uspace deb the buildbot
08:19 AM _abc_: pcw_home: thanks, will look. Got a link?
08:19 AM _abc_: To the whole repo, not the exact file.
08:31 AM jthornton: buildbot.linuxcnc.org
09:31 AM _unreal_: anyone seen fdarling?
09:44 AM gonzo_: I can never get my head around 110V mains. 240V standard for everything in uk
09:44 AM gonzo_: and if you have 3ph, you get 415V
09:46 AM _abc_: 110V means no electric tea kettle for you. Long wait.
09:48 AM syyl: full kettle-power!
09:55 AM _abc_: Is 2.8.0~pre1 a development or a stable release? I have a git master tree installed and am trying to figure out what it was for, got interrupted at the time and it was left untouched for a few months on disk.
09:56 AM _abc_: I assume it is development since 2.7 is stable? Correct?
10:02 AM pink_vampire: is there a way to make hardware pause button
10:02 AM pink_vampire: not E-stop just pause
10:10 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: ^
10:14 AM Tom_L: _abc_ i think it's a release now. i know several are using it
10:14 AM Tom_L: pink_vampire yes
10:14 AM Tom_L: i have one on my pendant
10:15 AM Tom_L: look over my configs
10:15 AM _abc_: Tom_L: maybe it's an unofficial release? The master page at linuxcnc.org claims 2.7.14 is current. Wrong?
10:16 AM Tom_L: hard to say. i know it's in transition
10:16 AM Tom_L: pretty sure they made a new master branch since 2.8 but i could be mistaken
10:16 AM _abc_: I would like to not ride the bleeding edge, I am using the userland only mode as simulator on the machine (laptop) where I play with CAM scripts.
10:16 AM jthornton: yea
10:16 AM Tom_L: yeah what?
10:20 AM Tom_L: pink_vampire http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/NEW_MILL_2.7/
10:21 AM Tom_L: it's in there
10:21 AM Tom_L: part in my_jog.hal
10:23 AM Tom_L: i _think_ i'm using edge there as a debounce but mot sure
10:29 AM pink_vampire: I'm sorry for disappearing, I was feeding my pet
10:29 AM pink_vampire: Tom_L: I that in the hal?
10:31 AM pink_vampire: I want to wire it to green E-stop style button
10:32 AM Tom_L: physical button doesn't matter
10:32 AM Tom_L: i have a button on my pendant for pause/resume
10:32 AM pink_vampire: it is not push button, it is locking button
10:32 AM Tom_L: so tell hal that
10:33 AM pink_vampire: how?
10:33 AM Tom_L: if i am high, pause. if i am low resume
10:35 AM Tom_L: there are a number of ways you can do that
10:36 AM Tom_L: use an AND gate and tie one leg high or low?
10:37 AM pink_vampire: I'm trying to copy and modify the E-stop line
10:37 AM pink_vampire: net estop-ext <= parport.0.pin-15-in
10:38 AM pink_vampire: net pause <= parport.1.pin-15-in
10:38 AM pink_vampire: like that?
10:38 AM Tom_L: do you have 2 parallel ports?
10:38 AM pink_vampire: so pin 15 in the other lpt will work as pause
10:38 AM Tom_L: ok
10:38 AM pink_vampire: yes, I have 2 lpt0 lpt1
10:40 AM Tom_L: halui.program.pause bit in
10:40 AM Tom_L: pin for pausing a program
10:41 AM Tom_L: halui.program.resume bit in
10:41 AM Tom_L: pin for resuming a program
10:41 AM pink_vampire: there is also pin for resume?
10:41 AM pink_vampire: ok i see
10:41 AM Tom_L: feed your signal to a flip flop or something
10:43 AM pink_vampire: so if pause get 1 logic even for short time, you must give 1 logic to the resume pin to release it?
10:43 AM Tom_L: you want them opposite right?
10:44 AM Tom_L: i would debounce it
10:44 AM pink_vampire: how do you debounce it?
10:45 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/debounce.9.html
10:45 AM pink_vampire: I want it to work with a button like E-stop but green, you click on it - pause, half turn and it pop out - resume
10:45 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/man/man9/edge.9.html
10:46 AM Tom_L: just depends how you want to approach it and the end goal
10:47 AM Tom_L: with edge you can output just a pulse even though the button holds it's state
10:47 AM pink_vampire: I wish linux cnc can do it, with out external electronic
10:48 AM pink_vampire: but how do you release the pause?
10:49 AM Tom_L: read edge
10:50 AM Tom_L: gotta run but it's not a difficult thing
10:51 AM pink_vampire: N it is time in seconds?
11:00 AM jym: Monring
11:02 AM pink_vampire: hi jym
11:03 AM jym: pink_vampire: she's alive (kinda?)
11:04 AM pink_vampire: yeah
11:04 AM pink_vampire: i'm here
11:04 AM jym: very cool
11:05 AM jym: pink_vampire: any more rifle locker extensions? lol
11:06 AM pink_vampire: yeah
11:06 AM pink_vampire: I want to ass pause button
11:06 AM pink_vampire: the e-stop shake the house
11:07 AM jym: a butt-stop button =)
11:07 AM pink_vampire: add*
11:07 AM pink_vampire: lol
11:08 AM jym: Nah, shake your booty Button!!!
11:08 AM pink_vampire: LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
11:08 AM pink_vampire: press with my hip no no no
11:09 AM jym: hip, butt, whatever...... it's a booty Button now
11:09 AM pink_vampire: I'm sure ABB will patent the butt-stop button
11:10 AM jym: Hey, they have those hip button at the grocery store checkout lines
11:10 AM pink_vampire: WHAT??
11:11 AM jym: When you bag your own groceries, you hip press the button to turn on the conveyor belt
11:12 AM pink_vampire: where??
11:12 AM jym: everywhere?
11:14 AM pink_vampire: I will look at walmart
11:14 AM jym: Well, walmart has those lazy susans
11:15 AM pink_vampire: I'm only go to walmart
11:15 AM pink_vampire: all the other close so early
11:15 AM pink_vampire: shoprite close at 12AM
11:16 AM pink_vampire: I go at 3-4AM
11:16 AM jym: pink_vampire: LOL, try going outside when the big ball of fire in the sky is up
11:17 AM flyback is now known as JONNYCARSON
11:17 AM pink_vampire: I'm going to lowes right now
11:18 AM pink_vampire: I'm out of waste board
11:18 AM JONNYCARSON is now known as flyback
11:21 AM jym: have fun
11:21 AM jym: jthornton: Thought of you when I saw this, though his feed mech is less than desired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svOs2jratHM
11:37 AM jym: I bet he wish he had CNC... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I57FCsvUajg
11:38 AM pink_vampire: WTF IS THAT!1
11:38 AM jym: watch the whole thing
11:38 AM pink_vampire: what a setup he is have on the mill
11:39 AM jym: Like I said, bet he wish he had cnc
11:39 AM pink_vampire: mistake #1 no hydraulics
11:40 AM jym: Well, he got the job done
11:46 AM _unreal_: gonzo_, has to do with safety
11:46 AM _unreal_: US has 220
11:46 AM _unreal_: most homes are setup with a 220 mains and that is broken off into the 110
11:47 AM _unreal_: sure its not as effecient as 220. but your more likely to survive a wack from 110 then 220
11:47 AM gonzo_: 240 is safe, as out connector gear is all pretty manly
11:47 AM gonzo_: our
11:47 AM JT-Shop: yea no need to power a LED with 240vac
11:48 AM JT-Shop: oven, stove, water heater, heater etc yea
11:50 AM jym: dryer
11:53 AM jthornton: jeez jym what a crappy splitter, why did you think of me?
11:53 AM jym: I'm still trying to figure out out to distrobute 48VDC, then drop down to needed voltages; 12v, 5v, etc like for solar.
11:54 AM jym: jthornton: No, NOT the feeding thing, that was crap. Just the screw, motor, and pillow bearings
11:54 AM gonzo_: did have to explain in little words to someone recently, who thought we should change over to usb for domestic power and have 5v distribution
11:55 AM gonzo_: but VH DC is not kind on switchgear
11:56 AM jym: VH????
11:56 AM gonzo_: HV
11:56 AM jym: "...in little words" lol
11:56 AM jym: ah
11:56 AM jym: 5VDC elecric dryer =)
11:57 AM gonzo_: same person thought we could do 'wireless chgarging' for electric cars
11:57 AM _unreal_: and DC is all out dangerous
11:57 AM gonzo_: though have seen a trail for charging buses, but that had a drop down transformer half core
11:57 AM _unreal_: gonzo_, you can with great loss
11:57 AM jym: Well, that IS possible... drive over the inductive pad in the concrete
11:58 AM _unreal_: it works great but its not effecient at all.
11:58 AM gonzo_: the efficiency is the prob
11:58 AM gonzo_: and passing cyclists catching fire from the styrat fields
11:58 AM gonzo_: stray
11:58 AM jym: Just grab the marshmellows
11:59 AM pink_vampire: I need wire edm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBQF_6TQks0
11:59 AM jthornton: hmm can't seem to find that satellite dish icon I had before I lost everything
11:59 AM gonzo_: people have tried having centralised psu giving 300V DC, to all the SMPSUs in the house
12:00 PM gonzo_: but it's switching DC that is hard. Doesn't self quench like ac
12:00 PM _unreal_: but then again look at light bulbs. good old filiment bulbs make a lot of heat BUT cost nothing to produce. and have little to no impact on the environment. then you go to CCFL and LED's TO MAKE JUST ONE of ether you could power a house for months with all the machines it takes to get all the raw materials etc... to build the circuits and chemiclas
12:02 PM gonzo_: also, they talk of the low effciiency of incandescent lamps, all that power wasted as heat. Till you ask them where that heat goes?
12:03 PM skunkworks: gonzo_: that only works 1/4 of the season...
12:03 PM gonzo_: there were complaints about the high gas bills at our old company. They were chasing to see who was having aircon and heating on at same time. As that was the only explanation of the spike in gas bills.
12:03 PM gonzo_: till I pointed out, at the same time they changed out all the CRT monitors
12:03 PM gonzo_: skunkworks, not in the UK. That is valid for 40weeks of the yr
12:04 PM gonzo_: though chuffin hot here now.
12:06 PM gloops: chuffin hot? lol, must be english, not here atm though
12:07 PM gonzo_: hehe yep
12:07 PM gonzo_: technically that is a unit of coolness
12:07 PM gonzo_: chuffing cold
12:07 PM gonzo_: it would be piggin' hot
12:08 PM gonzo_: thursday supposedly had hottest day on record.
12:08 PM gonzo_: that is if the wx station proves to be in cal
12:09 PM gloops: yeah, not very hot in yorkshire atm though, ive got long sleeves on
12:09 PM roycroft: it's only going to get up to 30 here today
12:09 PM roycroft: which means 38 or so in my shop :(
12:10 PM roycroft: i would not mind that so much except i'm applying shellac today, and that is almost impossible to do in such heat
12:11 PM roycroft: fortunately the drawers i'm finishing are for a shop fixture, so they don't have to be perfect
12:11 PM roycroft: because there's no way they can be perfect in such heat
12:13 PM gloops: i left off an observation bee hive on wednesday, too hot, only the doors and a bit of molding left, did the doors this morning
12:14 PM gloops: we arent used to 38c here
12:17 PM * jthornton ponders how to add a network printer to debian 10...
12:20 PM jym: jthornton: it can't find it?
12:24 PM jthornton: don't have a clue what button to push to make it look
12:34 PM _abc_: jthornton: one usually uses cups to add printers.
12:34 PM _abc_: jthornton: http://localhost:631
12:34 PM jthornton: unable to connect, I assume cups is not installed by default
12:35 PM _abc_: Or not started.
12:35 PM _abc_: Do you have a printer already/
12:35 PM _abc_: Any printer?
12:35 PM _abc_: On that machine.
12:35 PM jthornton: not installed, just looked
12:35 PM jthornton: printer on a windblows pc
12:36 PM _abc_: There are other ways to add printers than cups. But cups tends to work for most people. You may have to install cups and samba, not sure.
12:36 PM jym: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting
12:36 PM jthornton: samba is installed but cups was not
12:36 PM _abc_: So install cups and refer to: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#CUPS_and_Samba
12:37 PM jthornton: Add Printer Add Printer Error Unable to add printer: Forbidden
12:37 PM jthornton: lol at debian
12:37 PM _abc_: Sometimes it takes me days to get the security settings right between samba and Windows so things work. I assume things got better meanwhile, it was really uphill both ways some years ago.
12:38 PM _abc_: jthornton: need sudo etc
12:38 PM jthornton: sudo where? it's a web page...
12:38 PM _abc_: Ah on the cli.
12:38 PM _abc_: For the web page to work cups needs certain things done to it I forget.
12:39 PM jthornton: I don't see a cli from http://localhost:631
12:39 PM _abc_: Your shell in a terminal on the same machine
12:45 PM _abc_: jthornton: I think you may have to log out and back in or such to update the groups you're a member of. Since you need to be in lpadmin to admin printers.
12:45 PM jthornton: ok
12:45 PM _abc_: Just guessing. The problem appears in several threads in the past and some mark it "not a bug"
12:54 PM jthornton: dunno why debian makes you life so miserable trying to just do simple things like print a fucking page to a printer
01:02 PM jym: and yet you can print wirelessly from your phone, go figure
01:03 PM jym: Huh, never saw a belt driven lathe before
01:05 PM _abc_: jthornton: they are not doing it on purpose, it is a side effect from adopting foreign packages and then splitting them into -dev -doc -client -server -lib and -whynotanother
01:05 PM jthornton: this page https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616718 suggests you need to be part of the lpadmin group but there is no group by that name!\
01:05 PM _abc_: I assume if you'd install the whole printing system (apt task-print -- or print-task) it would work
01:06 PM _abc_: jthornton: yeah so something else needs to also be installed. Just a second
01:06 PM _abc_: How did you check there is no such group?
01:06 PM jthornton: groups
01:06 PM _abc_: Also did you install full cups?
01:06 PM jthornton: should have I used sudo groups?
01:06 PM _abc_: jthornton: after logging out and back in?
01:06 PM jthornton: yea
01:06 PM _abc_: No, no need for sudo
01:06 PM jthornton: nope that's just root
01:07 PM _abc_: grep lpadmin /etc/groups ?
01:07 PM jthornton: maybe apt install task-print-server
01:07 PM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/k2ZykBzwZWE
01:07 PM jthornton: but I don't want a print server lol
01:07 PM _abc_: jthornton: is lpadmin in the file?
01:08 PM _abc_: /etc/group not groups
01:08 PM jthornton: grep: /etc/groups: No such file or directory
01:08 PM _abc_: no 's'
01:08 PM jthornton: lpadmin:x:125:
01:08 PM _abc_: So your logging out and in did not help.
01:08 PM _abc_: Just a second
01:09 PM jthornton: ok
01:09 PM _abc_: When you logged out did you close the shell terminal or just logged out of the gui?
01:09 PM jthornton: rebooted
01:09 PM _abc_: wow that is not what I meant by logging out :)
01:09 PM jthornton: it's the easy way lol
01:09 PM _abc_: no, it is not.
01:10 PM _abc_: On unix one reboots once every 3 months when the power goes out and the UPS runs down
01:10 PM _abc_: That, or tripping over power strips
01:11 PM jym: _abc_: Or... https://i.imgur.com/LJ9hAJ6.jpg
01:12 PM _abc_: sudo adduser --group lpadmin $USER; # this should fix it
01:12 PM _abc_: jym: I love that smile. Your kid? He's promising :)
01:12 PM jthornton: yea just tried both and rebooting is easier I don't have to enter my user name and password if I reboot
01:12 PM _abc_: try the little sudo above
01:12 PM jym: _abc_: Nope, Just loved the evil grin on his face
01:13 PM jthornton: adduser: Specify only one name in this mode.
01:13 PM _abc_: uhh just a second
01:14 PM _abc_: sudo adduser $USER lpadmin
01:14 PM _abc_: this should work, sorry I misinterpreted the manpage a bit before.
01:15 PM _abc_: After this you could run groups again see if lpadmin appeared
01:16 PM _abc_: And by log out and in I meant close the shell terminal and reopen jthornton
01:18 PM jthornton: ok I'm a member of lpadmin now
01:18 PM _abc_: nice, now try again
01:18 PM _abc_: in the web interface
01:18 PM jthornton: thanks, I'm in... what a royal PIA
01:19 PM _abc_: jthornton: when you install the whole printing task this is handled. When you install it in bits some of the security packages are left out from dependency lists.
01:19 PM jthornton: I wonder why it does not see the hp1220c printer...
01:19 PM _abc_: It needs to be listed in the smb listing
01:19 PM jthornton: ah ok, I usually don't install the print server on a fresh install
01:19 PM _abc_: smb resource browsing or what it is called
01:20 PM _abc_: It was in the link I pasted before, together with someone else.
01:20 PM _abc_: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#CUPS_and_Samba here
01:23 PM jthornton: well crap it's a USB printer, no wonder it's not in the list...
01:23 PM _abc_: It can be shared on windows and then you see it
01:24 PM _abc_: jthornton: got that? ^
01:25 PM jthornton: looking now
01:26 PM jthornton: hmm the printer is shared
01:27 PM _abc_: Right, now smb will take a while to update the information to all the nodes, meaning, you may have to wait 1-3 minutes before it shows up on the linux machine in the lists.
01:27 PM jthornton: no, it was already shared
01:28 PM _abc_: smbclient -L computername shows it?
01:28 PM jthornton: but I think I found a setting that it was only shared with homegroup windblows
01:28 PM _abc_: on linux cli?
01:28 PM _abc_: Yeah so you need to change the home group on samba to match whatever you have on the windows side
01:29 PM jthornton: rebooting wondblows to use username and password
01:29 PM _abc_: iirc it won't let you share without that nowadays.
01:29 PM jthornton: bash: smbclient: command not found
01:29 PM _abc_: so you said you installed samba...
01:29 PM jthornton: yep
01:30 PM _abc_: Perhaps only server?>
01:30 PM jthornton: sudo apt install samba
01:31 PM _abc_: sudo apt-get install smbclient
01:31 PM _abc_: :) see how that package splitting works now >:-)
01:32 PM * _abc_ is on #devuan which is the home of systemd freedom aka debian de-systemd'd
01:32 PM jthornton: I have to go now, someone is coming to pick up the hot tub
01:32 PM _abc_: :)
01:32 PM _abc_: jthornton: you can continue when you are done with that
01:36 PM jym: How weird... I "setup" a printer last month, wouldn't print. Just now (because I dind't know about it) goto http://localhost:631 and I see the printer there, click TEST PRINT, and it prints.
01:37 PM _abc_: I find cups which is contributed by iShiny to the "open source" community has the same level of mystery systemd has, need to read sources to find out what it does. That, and it's like other iShiny devices. Either it just works or you'll never get it going.
01:37 PM _abc_: This sums up my experience with cups since about 1999 or so.
01:40 PM jym: network printing has always been a clusterfuck. We used to have a XP VM just purely for the print queue option for the windows users, even though technically they could print to all the network printers directly
01:41 PM jym: Surprisinly, apple makes printing easy
01:42 PM jym: go get an old mac mini for $40 if nothing else but to be a print/scaner server
01:43 PM jym: and media server too if you like
01:43 PM jym: OSX 10.4 minimum
01:45 PM jym: like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Mini-Core-2-Duo-2-66GHz-4GB-320GB-A1347/133111151903
01:48 PM jym: Which I think technically is CUPS under the hood
01:57 PM _abc_: They do not use cups themselves afaik.
02:13 PM jym: But TOTALLY different from the BSD aspects =)
02:14 PM jym: Well, I think it prints, lol
02:14 PM jym: now might have been the pdf itself super tiny china manual
02:15 PM jym: WHOA.... "CUPS and the CUPS logo are trademarks of Apple Inc. Copyright © 2007-2017 Apple Inc. All rights reserved."
02:18 PM Vq: Yeah, they bought it.
02:20 PM jym: heh
02:29 PM Vq: The developer too.
02:30 PM Tom_L: jthornton, just tell it 'the printer is right over there -> print this'
02:45 PM jthornton: I tried that Tom_L and I even cursed at it but debian is just too tough
02:46 PM roycroft: jthornton: i picked up some flap disks for you today
02:47 PM roycroft: i'll email you with weight and dimensions later this weekend - you said you would send me a shipping label
02:47 PM jthornton: ok thanks
02:48 PM jthornton: do you want paypal or a check?
02:48 PM jym: roycroft: 150,000 of em , right?
02:48 PM jthornton: or cc?
02:48 PM jym: or bitcoin or cocoa pods
02:48 PM roycroft: a box of 10
02:49 PM roycroft: paypal would be fine
02:50 PM roycroft: they're running low on the flap discs, but i'm surprised they have any at all left
02:52 PM jym: that good a price?
02:59 PM roycroft: these are high quality german made flap discs
02:59 PM roycroft: they are $3 each
02:59 PM roycroft: crappy, useless flap discs are $4.29 each at harbor freight
02:59 PM roycroft: you figure out if it's a good price :)
02:59 PM roycroft: oh, sorry
02:59 PM roycroft: these are 36 grit
02:59 PM roycroft: 36 grit are $3.99 each at harbor freight
03:00 PM roycroft: even with a 20% off coupon they're more expensive than these german ones
03:03 PM roycroft: oh, that $3.99 price is for aluminium oxide
03:03 PM roycroft: these are zirconia
03:03 PM roycroft: those are $6.99 each at hf
03:04 PM Jymmm: ah ok
03:05 PM jthornton: hot tub gone... time to put everything back together
03:25 PM * roycroft laughs
03:25 PM roycroft: some guy just came by and offered me $750 for my vw bus that's sitting next to the driveway
03:25 PM roycroft: he said it's worth $500, but he likes it so he's offering more
03:26 PM roycroft: i'm like "um, multiply that offer by 15 and we'll talk"
03:26 PM JT-Shop: my 67 bus would go anywhere including the woods
03:26 PM roycroft: this one is a '74 westy weekender
03:26 PM roycroft: i have a '65 on the back lot
03:26 PM roycroft: i'm trying to sell that
03:27 PM roycroft: well, i'm trying to get ready to sell it :)
03:27 PM roycroft: it's fairly stripped down, but it has an engine
03:27 PM roycroft: and it's mostly rust-free
03:27 PM roycroft: i should be able to get at least $8k for it
03:27 PM roycroft: i could probably hold out for $12,500
03:27 PM roycroft: folks back east will pay a lot for a splitty that's not rusted out
03:28 PM roycroft: the '67 was an oddball
03:28 PM roycroft: lots of one year only parts
03:28 PM roycroft: that's the year they converted from 6v to 12v
03:28 PM roycroft: and the next year the bay window bus came out
03:29 PM JT-Shop: the 67 was the only bus I had, beatles 57, 66, 67, 68
03:29 PM roycroft: i was going to convert the '65 to an ev, but i'm not ambitious enough for that any more
03:29 PM roycroft: my '74 westy has a brand new engine
03:29 PM roycroft: but it's inside the bus
03:29 PM roycroft: not in the back where it belongs
03:29 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:29 PM roycroft: my plan is to sell the '65, and use some of the money to pay my mechanic to put my '74 back together
03:30 PM roycroft: i should head back to the shop now, having gotten rid of mister pesky scammer
03:32 PM JT-Shop: lol
03:40 PM pcw_home: I wonder how many people fall for these stupid fishing scams: Email purports to be from Bank of America, email received from ispc1.intranet.coprosys.cz...
03:43 PM pcw_home: I visited their fake website and it was full of misspellings
03:45 PM jthornton: I don't, I just delete them
03:46 PM pcw_home: I usually just mark them as spam but I got curious
03:48 PM Deejay: gn8
03:50 PM jym: pcw_home: ignorance is bliss???
03:51 PM jym: Netflix Taco Chronicles is awesome!!!
03:52 PM jym: Now I want to try Barbacoa and basket tacos
03:53 PM DaViruz: if you send one million emails you only have to find the one in a million-stupid
03:53 PM DaViruz: i suppose
03:54 PM jthornton: yea you wonder if they even find that one in a million that has money to steal, that raises the odds
03:55 PM pcw_home: yeah the success rate has to be pretty small
03:56 PM pcw_home: fishing with a broken hook...
03:59 PM jym: one tenth of a percent (0.001) of 1,000,000 is still 1000, so even if you get just $100 from each, that's $100,000
04:01 PM jym: and that's just from a single campaign. Eveen have 10 running, and that's $1M
04:01 PM jym: ... tax free =)
04:06 PM pcw_home: 1/1000 sounds way high though
04:12 PM jym: Well, even 0.0001 then
04:14 PM jthornton: odd angry ip doesn't show the wind7pc but I can ping it
04:19 PM jym: dumb updates making me restart, it's linux eeeeesh
04:20 PM jthornton: damn firefox is getting annoying... type in 192 in the address bar and when you click on an address on your lan you get a page about 1920 penny or some shit
04:20 PM Tom_L: :)
04:20 PM jym: jthornton: gotta add the http://192....
04:21 PM jym: else it's a "search" parameter
04:21 PM Tom_L: technology not your friend today?
04:21 PM jym: well, the protocol at least... http://
04:21 PM Tom_L: my bank's app has been screwed up all week
04:21 PM jthornton: but if I click on a history of 192.168.1.something it should not search for it
04:22 PM jym: jthornton: does it have "http://192..." or just "192..." ???
04:22 PM Tom_L: said my transfer didn't go thru so i hit cancel twice
04:22 PM Tom_L: then called to make it happen
04:22 PM Tom_L: so guess what?
04:22 PM Tom_L: instead of transferring 4k it transferred 12k
04:23 PM jthornton: wow
04:23 PM XXCoder: i donmt bother with http:// or anything i just start typing 192. then it shows router url and i press down and enter
04:23 PM Tom_L: and an overdraft from the wrong account
04:23 PM XXCoder: done.
04:23 PM Tom_L: needless to say they got a call
04:23 PM jthornton: jym, it's only windblows firefox that tries to redirect you to some crap place
04:24 PM jthornton: my bank ain't open on saturday...
04:24 PM Tom_L: mine is til noon
04:24 PM Tom_L: and they know me anyway
04:24 PM Tom_L: but it's still frustrating
04:25 PM jthornton: yea, I hear that... anything that messes with your money is scary
04:25 PM Tom_L: problem is, their app said it didn't happen
04:25 PM Tom_L: but it did
04:26 PM jthornton: what did your balance say?
04:26 PM Tom_L: couldn't get it because it was down
04:26 PM jthornton: ouch
04:26 PM Tom_L: supposedly didn't go thru :)
04:27 PM Tom_L: they fixed it but it's just one more thing to do..
04:27 PM jym: Tom_L: check to see it the app will allow you to "scren cap" any of it's pages
04:27 PM Tom_L: they know they're having issues
04:28 PM jthornton: hmm, I might just have to shut the whole lan down and reboot each one, this is getting frustrating
04:29 PM _abc_: jthornton: what went wrong?
04:29 PM _abc_: jthornton: browsers searching RFC1918 ip's online is not new. And I am pissed by it and have been for a long long time
04:30 PM jthornton: this debian 10 shows up on another debian pc as print$ twice
04:30 PM _abc_: Can turn it off using options in config in firefox, no address bar search, no suggestions
04:30 PM jthornton: so something is messed up
04:30 PM jym: jthornton: FWIW, you CAN disable "searching" from the address bar in FF, and only search from the "search box"
04:30 PM _abc_: jthornton: you re-exported (shared?) the printer from the debian10?
04:31 PM _abc_: jthornton: run smbclient -L on the debian 10 hosts's own ip
04:31 PM jym: jthornton: about:preferences#search
04:31 PM jym: damnit
04:32 PM _abc_: :)
04:32 PM _abc_: don't search for that!
04:32 PM jym: about COLON preferences#search
04:32 PM _abc_: now that is anal
04:32 PM jym: That will take you to the preferneces section of ff
04:33 PM jthornton: bash: smbclient: command not found
04:33 PM _abc_: fyi we saw the 1st one right
04:33 PM jthornton: yea turned it off already jym
04:33 PM _abc_: jthornton: huh? Did you not just install smbclient on the debian 10?
04:33 PM Tom_L: yeah jym, get a decent irc client :)
04:33 PM jthornton: I guess not\
04:34 PM jym: jthornton: Ah, ok.
04:34 PM jym: https://i.imgur.com/MyFCuA1.png
04:34 PM jym: Tom_L: pfff, too lazy
04:35 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BfwshcJPsz/
04:35 PM _abc_: looks good to me
04:35 PM _abc_: There are 2 different printers on there
04:35 PM jym: YAY 105F
04:36 PM _abc_: jym: I hope that's your fever not outdoors.
04:36 PM jym: _abc_: It's outdoors, up the road
04:36 PM jthornton: yea they are both out in the shop, I'm looking to connect to a hp1220c down here in the beer cave
04:36 PM _abc_: Well then I hope it is not indoors too
04:36 PM _abc_: jthornton: so get hold of the right host name?
04:36 PM _abc_: or ip
04:37 PM jthornton: and?
04:37 PM _abc_: SMB1 is deprecated iirc.
04:37 PM _abc_: jthornton: you want to find the computer which has the wanted printer!
04:37 PM jym: _abc_: Oh no, but a friend is working there today, no ac, no fans
04:38 PM XXCoder: no ac allowed for your friend eh ;)
04:38 PM jthornton: hmm I think I found something...
04:38 PM jym: XXCoder: the client refuses to turn AC on
04:38 PM _abc_: jthornton: tip: on the desktop there is an icon or tab called network in the file browser/manager.
04:38 PM * Tom_L wonders why paper is spewing from his printer now
04:38 PM _abc_: jym: click on it.
04:39 PM XXCoder: geez!
04:39 PM jym: Tom_L: 10 LPRINT CHR($12) 20 GOTO 10
04:39 PM XXCoder: client has employees suffering under that heat eh?
04:39 PM Tom_L: naw
04:40 PM jym: Tom_L: I had admin rights in college, so when the lab monkeys were being dicks, I would select a random high speed line printer and run that
04:41 PM Tom_L: hehe
04:41 PM jthornton: something is odd from caja I can only see this pc and the nas
04:42 PM jthornton: from another pc next to me I can see all the pc's that are up but this one is screwed up and only shows print$ so I'm thinking it just is hosed
04:42 PM Tom_L: do you need to restart samba after making changes?
04:42 PM _abc_: jthornton: it is not "hosed"
04:42 PM jthornton: yea I think you do
04:42 PM _abc_: jthornton: you have more than one workgroup name in the network
04:42 PM jthornton: no
04:43 PM jym: FWIW, I havne' installed SMB
04:44 PM _abc_: jthornton: read this please and use it: https://serverfault.com/questions/160396/listing-available-smb-shares-on-a-network-through-the-command-line-in-linux/166255
04:45 PM _abc_: jthornton: also windows networks propagate information slowly, sometimes you need to wait, and sometimes you need to restart the DC
04:46 PM Tom_L: yeah it's slower than molasses in an Alaskan winter
04:46 PM jym: _abc_: I doubt jthornton has a DC, but might be polling for it
04:46 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d7ZwDqZC8d/
04:46 PM jthornton: what is a DC?
04:46 PM _abc_: domain controller
04:46 PM jym: Domain Controller
04:47 PM jthornton: the main router?
04:47 PM jym: jthornton: it's an internal SMB thing
04:47 PM _abc_: jthornton: windows smb networking tries to be very clever and falls on it's face in impressive ways. smb machines hold "elections" to see who is going to be the "server"
04:47 PM _abc_: jthornton: if there is no dc on the network.
04:47 PM jym: jthornton: No, nothing to do with router, it's which windows or samba box thinks it's a "master"
04:48 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8VgDtf42Xg/
04:48 PM _abc_: this takes time. When you have an unfortunate situation and reboot a host with a busy network you can end up temporarily with two (or more) "masters" (aka servers)
04:48 PM jym: s/servers/DC's/
04:48 PM jthornton: that must be why when I shut everything down and boot one at a time it clears up
04:48 PM _abc_: yes
04:49 PM _abc_: except on linux hosts it's enough to restart samba service
04:49 PM jym: jthornton: how many windows boxes do you have running typically?
04:49 PM _abc_: samba and nmbd
04:49 PM jthornton: 3
04:50 PM jym: It shouldn't take too long with only 3 hosts, unless there'sss a bugannoyance with windows internally
04:51 PM jym: jthornton: is the beer cave printer directly on the network, or conneted to a pc?
04:51 PM _abc_: If the network is busy it can take forever. The elections use udp and the hosts don't hear each other.
04:51 PM _abc_: jym: it's a USB printer connected to a pc
04:51 PM jthornton: connected to the windblows pc down here via usb
04:51 PM _abc_: jthornton: what's the ip of your winblows pc
04:51 PM jym: jthornton: Oh, do you still have/use TWO routers?
04:51 PM jym: internally
04:52 PM jthornton: 192.168.1.58
04:52 PM _abc_: right so that computer does not show a shared printer
04:52 PM jthornton: never used two routers, but have many switches
04:52 PM _abc_: jthornton: what does smbclient -L 192.168.1.58 show
04:53 PM _abc_: jthornton: it feels like that windows box needs a reboot after you made sure (again) that the printer is shared and is shared in workgroup WORKGROUP not in something called something else
04:53 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MVW3yHqQvP/
04:54 PM _abc_: Nice so now you can install the printer under cups on linux d10
04:54 PM _abc_: You may want to make the share name more cli friendly.
04:54 PM _abc_: Share name Printer_HPDJ1220C sounds better than what you have now if you have to type it into a linux cli
04:55 PM Tom_L: Beer_printer
04:55 PM jym: jthornton: Yeah, name the printer "beercave"
04:56 PM _abc_: jthornton: also you had 2 $printer shares on a machine because it has 2 printers. The $printer share contains the windows drivers for the printer for other windows machines to download and use, it is not used by cups.
04:57 PM _abc_: jthornton: in cups you will have to select a driver for the network printer from the drivers on offer, hopefully hpij supports it.
04:57 PM jthornton: the hp1220c is not showing up
04:57 PM _abc_: Not showing up where?
04:57 PM _abc_: You need to type a share name into the cups interface
04:57 PM jthornton: add printer or find new printers
04:58 PM _abc_: smb://192.168.1.58/Printer_HPDJ1220C if you renamed it
04:58 PM Tom_L: did you set it up as shared in windows?
04:58 PM _abc_: as I said.
04:58 PM jthornton: add printer > windows printer via samba?
04:58 PM Tom_L: i'm sure you did
04:58 PM _abc_: jthornton: yes
05:00 PM jthornton: hmm the share name is still HP DeskJet 1220C
05:00 PM _abc_: jthornton: did you rename it!
05:00 PM _abc_: jthornton: and reboot after that...
05:01 PM jthornton: ok found that in another tab...
05:01 PM _abc_: Note modern windows needs no reboot after you change the share name but expect the old share name to linger for a while on other machine's network displays.
05:03 PM jym: Just FYI... windows/smb shares (be ot file or printers, best to be all lower case and only hyphen, no underscores. Sometimes those cause issues
05:04 PM jthornton: damn I think I got it...
05:05 PM jym: WOOHOO
05:05 PM jthornton: hmm, but it's not printing anything
05:06 PM jym: try the localhost thing and see if th eprinter share is showing up
05:07 PM jthornton: Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME)"
05:13 PM jthornton: Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED)"
05:15 PM jym: IS GUEST allowed to print?
05:17 PM jym: I saw this (bottom of page) https://serverfault.com/questions/137135/what-does-nt-status-bad-network-name-mean-in-samba
05:18 PM _abc_: Now you're at the point where windows "security" must be brought to a level where it talks to samba security. This is the part which I remember took me two days a few years ago.
05:19 PM _abc_: jthornton: I wish you good luck, really.
05:21 PM jthornton: thanks, time to treat the chickens
05:22 PM jym: jthornton: Questions: are the names of your windows boxes mixed case??
05:22 PM jym: like: BeerCave isntead of beercave ?
05:23 PM jym: or longer than 8 characters?
05:24 PM jym: Not a solution, but can sometimes help to minimize M$ bullshit
05:28 PM jym: jthornton: what does your smbclient logs show?
05:41 PM jthornton: where are they?
05:42 PM jthornton: ah found it
05:42 PM jthornton: E [27/Jul/2019:17:12:08 -0500] [Job 3] NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED opening remote spool 1
05:44 PM jym: on the beercave pc, is GUEST allowed to print?
05:49 PM jthornton: no clue
05:49 PM XXCoder: isnt there parallel access role?
05:50 PM XXCoder: or serial cant remember lol
05:50 PM jthornton: for what?
05:51 PM XXCoder: beercave is linux pc right?
05:53 PM jthornton: debian 10 is where I'm trying to print to a printer on a windblows 7 pc... BeerCave is where I'm sitting
05:54 PM XXCoder: so basically remote printing using a win7 machine?
05:54 PM jthornton: aye
05:54 PM XXCoder: okay bit more advanced dunno lol
05:55 PM jthornton: should be as simple as click click click done but debian makes it so difficult to do simple things
05:55 PM XXCoder: using remote desktop?
05:56 PM jthornton: no
06:14 PM Tom_L: is user a member of that printer group?
06:14 PM Tom_L: (if that might matter)
06:16 PM jthornton: yea I think so, I can print to both the printers out in the shop which are ethernet printers
06:21 PM XXCoder: isnt 3d printer also need serial group?
06:22 PM jthornton: not sure, have not used mine in a long time... never could get a quality print with it
06:23 PM XXCoder: definitely needs some learning to get good prints
06:24 PM jthornton: yea, must not have spent enough time putzing with it
06:25 PM _unreal_: so has any one seen fdarling?
06:31 PM jym: XXCoder: _abc_ said a different group than serial
06:32 PM XXCoder: abc is more likely to be correct. i couldnt recall correctly
06:32 PM jym: jthornton: can you print to beercave from other linux machines?
06:33 PM jthornton: not tried
06:34 PM jym: ok
06:34 PM jym: look at the BOTTOM of this page jthornton https://serverfault.com/questions/137135/what-does-nt-status-bad-network-name-mean-in-samba
06:35 PM jym: the part where it talks about the GUEST in smbclient config
06:35 PM jym: I think it's just a perms issue, where your deboan bos is trying to authenticate as your login userid instead of GUEST to the BC-printer
06:35 PM jym: (bc = beercave)
06:36 PM jthornton: I tried guest@ but got the same result
06:37 PM jym: jthornton: Can you try adding another printer to your debian box and see if that works?
06:37 PM jym: this way we can isolate where the issue is
06:37 PM jthornton: jym, I can print to all the other printers
06:38 PM jym: from your debian box?
06:38 PM jym: jthornton: ^^^^^
06:38 PM jthornton: yes
06:38 PM jthornton: from all my pc's
06:39 PM jym: jthornton: Ok, can you get to your BC PC, and look at the printer permissions, see if GUEST or ANONMYOUS is allowed to print to it?
06:39 PM jthornton: yes
06:40 PM jym: can you show me the perms page please?
06:40 PM jthornton: not very easy, no
06:40 PM Tom_L: jt, is that an xp box?
06:40 PM Tom_L: the printer is on an xp box?
06:41 PM jthornton: 7
06:41 PM jym: Ok, well I'd double check to make sure that shared printer has been added to the guest/anonymous group
06:41 PM jthornton: I've already checked that 3 times and rebooted 4 times
06:42 PM Tom_L: well that's clearly not enough
06:42 PM Tom_L: :)
06:42 PM jym: look at the BOTTOM of this page jthornton https://serverfault.com/questions/137135/what-does-nt-status-bad-network-name-mean-in-samba
06:42 PM jthornton: absolutely but I'm hungry and tired and dinner is almost ready
06:42 PM jym: or paste your smbclent config
06:42 PM jym: ok, enjoy dinner =)
06:44 PM jym: Tom_L: Kinda weird, because I don't even have smb installed and I'm now able to print to my mac which is sharing the printer via smb
08:02 PM enleth: so I'm trying to repair this motor, which happens to use an imperial-sized rotor and metric endbells
08:02 PM enleth: the rotor shaft is 1/2", endbell bearing sockets are 35mm
08:02 PM enleth: the original bearings are 6202 15mm ID, 35mm OD
08:03 PM enleth: with adapter sleeves pushed in
08:03 PM enleth: the bearings are shot, I have to replace them and the stupid sleeves won't come out
08:03 PM _unreal_: I love it when I make a new file with corrections and forget to transfer it and load up the same file that is worng and start cutting only to say WTF....
08:03 PM _unreal_: oh DUH......
08:03 PM _unreal_: farkkk.
08:03 PM jym: enleth: heat/cold.... torch
08:04 PM enleth: jym: I ran out of oxygen for the oxy/propane torch so I'll try that as soon as I get some more
08:04 PM jym: enleth: propane is fine
08:05 PM _unreal_: I'm milling a teak inlay wood part
08:05 PM _unreal_: I had a fillet size totally worng
08:05 PM jym: enleth: We're talking thermal expansion, not tempering/cutting =)
08:05 PM enleth: jym: do you think it's a good idea to heat it up while it's in a hydraulic press, under some pressure?
08:06 PM jym: enleth: can you remove it?
08:06 PM _unreal_: jym, interference production?
08:06 PM jym: wth is evveryone underscore?
08:07 PM * Tom_L gives everyone more "M"s
08:07 PM enleth: jym: I managed to pull the bearing with the insert on one side, the bearing on the other side is still on there, that side got pretty rusty
08:07 PM enleth: rotor itself should be fine with some heating
08:08 PM jym: enleth: try wd40 yet?
08:08 PM Tom_L: doubt that would do anything
08:08 PM enleth: WD40, evaporust, off-the-shelf penetrating oil, ATF with acetone
08:08 PM enleth: it's no longer brown with rust, but it's still stuck
08:09 PM _unreal_: enleth, do you have photos of what your trying to do
08:09 PM jym: enleth: Well, I'm not gonna tell if something is or isn't a "smart idea" when it comes to safety =)
08:10 PM Tom_L: enleth the sleeves are on the OD of the bearing?
08:10 PM enleth: Tom_L: on the ID
08:10 PM enleth: 1/2" shaft, 15mm ID metric bearing
08:10 PM Tom_L: and you need to save them?
08:10 PM enleth: or buy new ones, but I can't find anyone selling them so far
08:10 PM jym: enleth: but as _unreal_ said, pics are helpful
08:11 PM Tom_L: they're just there to fix a mismatch gap due to metric/imperial?
08:11 PM enleth: yep, I'll go downstairs to the shop in a minute to take a picture
08:11 PM enleth: Tom_L: yes
08:11 PM Tom_L: you can't turn new ones from brass/bronze?
08:11 PM enleth: because some cretin thought it a good idea to build a motor with an imperial rotor and metric chassis
08:12 PM enleth: Tom_L: I'll do that if I have to
08:12 PM Tom_L: k
08:12 PM enleth: that is, if I decide that trying to get the original ones out of there is more work than turning new ones
08:12 PM Tom_L: is it possible to remove the balls from the bearing and split the ID race?
08:12 PM Tom_L: with say a dremel or some abrasive wheel
08:12 PM enleth: that's one possibility
08:13 PM Tom_L: it's on the rotor?
08:13 PM enleth: those sleeves will work even if I nick them a little
08:13 PM Tom_L: you could damage the rotor with heat
08:13 PM enleth: BRB, I'll go take a picture
08:14 PM _unreal_: enleth, replacing bearings is NOT something that is typical on any kind of sealed bearing kit
08:14 PM _unreal_: most bearings are produced as a one off with a machine that crimps everything in at once
08:22 PM enleth: _unreal_: I think we have a linguistic issue here, when I say "bearing" I mean the whole set of two races, balls, cage and seals
08:24 PM enleth: photos are uploading
08:24 PM enleth: _unreal_: I don't expect it to be serviceable as in replacing the balls inside
08:25 PM _unreal_: again typically the only kinds of bearings that have replaceable bearings are DESIGNED to have them replaced.
08:25 PM enleth: but replacing the whole thing
08:26 PM enleth: _unreal_: you mean "motors that have replaceable bearings"?
08:26 PM _unreal_: its to hard to produce perfect bearings. and parts wear. There for the races are typically part of the bearing kit its self and the entire bearing assembly its self is replaceable
08:26 PM enleth: _unreal_: I think we still aren't on the same page
08:27 PM _unreal_: possible
08:28 PM _unreal_: well I'm going to go take a piss grab an other beer and hopefully come back to a photo link :)
08:29 PM _unreal_: oh and my insert fits perfect
08:29 PM _unreal_: need to find some wood glue
08:41 PM _unreal_: sigh
08:41 PM _unreal_: ok well I'm now gluing my parts together
08:41 PM _unreal_: good old tight boond
08:44 PM _unreal_: ?
08:44 PM _unreal_: the silence is killing my ears
08:45 PM enleth: https://imgur.com/a/WDM0Rqb well there it is
08:45 PM enleth: two rotors (I have two of those), one stator for reference
08:45 PM enleth: two back bearings that I managed to pull off
08:45 PM gregcnc: The sleeve won't press out?
08:45 PM _unreal_: enleth, those kinds of bearings you replace ONLY
08:46 PM _unreal_: as to that sleeve you need to HEAT it and use a puller or a press with a jig to grab it
08:46 PM _unreal_: I would suggest a 4 jaw puller
08:46 PM _unreal_: and heat
08:46 PM enleth: _unreal_: holy fucking bajeezus on a moped
08:46 PM _unreal_: but you have to heat IT fast
08:46 PM enleth: YES I WANT TO REPLACE THEM
08:46 PM gregcnc: heat won't help if thre is no differential expansion
08:46 PM _unreal_: ?
08:46 PM jdh: inductive coil heater
08:46 PM enleth: _unreal_: what else did you think I want to do? repair them?
08:47 PM _unreal_: gregcnc, it will help if you heat it fast
08:47 PM gregcnc: sure if you have induction
08:47 PM gregcnc: as noted
08:47 PM _unreal_: but correct as soon as the "core" catches up you loose the expansion differnce
08:47 PM gregcnc: anyhow what are these motors from?
08:48 PM gregcnc: it doesn't look like they were designed with bearing replacement in mind
08:48 PM enleth: _unreal_: I want to repair the *motors*, which means replacing the *bearings*, which is what I was talking about from the very start and I have absolutely no fucking idea why would you get so bent on reiterating that I have to replace them whole, which is obvious and no one said otherwise
08:48 PM Tom_L: i was kinda surprised to find out they heat the tools into their holders at my kid's work
08:49 PM Tom_L: i'd really never heard of that before then
08:49 PM Tom_L: but they're running pretty high spindle speeds too
08:49 PM gregcnc: Tom that' quite common now
08:49 PM Tom_L: induction?
08:49 PM gregcnc: inductive heating
08:50 PM Tom_L: he spent most of the day changing tools and told me about it when he got home
08:50 PM _unreal_: The real question is if the the shaft has been gnarled before the sleeve was put on
08:50 PM enleth: gregcnc: grinders from a heavy duty coffee machine
08:50 PM Tom_L: i know induction heat is quite effective
08:50 PM _unreal_: There is a good chance that it was gnarled and had a DOT of epoxy before being press fit
08:50 PM gregcnc: italian?
08:50 PM enleth: gregcnc: german
08:50 PM _unreal_: is the sleve the same type of metal or is it aluminum?
08:51 PM gregcnc: hmm german and not serviceable, can't be
08:51 PM _unreal_: I assume steal
08:51 PM Tom_L: enleth if you could find some sort of induction heater that would heat it more uniform than a torch
08:51 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, agreed
08:51 PM _unreal_: but induction will heat the "core" as well
08:51 PM gregcnc: any evidence of loctite?
08:51 PM Tom_L: and quicker
08:51 PM enleth: gregcnc: the rest of the machine is perfectly serviceable, I found a 200 page service manual detailing every single subassembly, but it looks like they assumed the motors would be just replaced
08:52 PM enleth: can't buy them anymore for this model, though
08:52 PM gregcnc: "lifetime" bearings
08:52 PM enleth: well, this machine has made over 1200000 coffees in its lifetime
08:52 PM _unreal_: bearings life time "L,O,L,"
08:52 PM enleth: yes, that's one million two hundred thousand
08:52 PM enleth: it's got a product counter
08:52 PM gregcnc: so it lasted a lifetime
08:53 PM gregcnc: no serviceman at visiting the coffee shop is going to replace bearings
08:53 PM _unreal_: enleth, do you need the sleeve?
08:53 PM _unreal_: or is it part of the motor
08:54 PM gregcnc: pressing a sleeve that large
08:54 PM gregcnc: disregard
08:54 PM gregcnc: the bearing is behind that sleeve
08:54 PM gregcnc: that's the problem
08:55 PM enleth: those huge sleeves in front of the bearings are pretty much just to prevent ground coffee from getting inside
08:55 PM _unreal_: My best bet is that your going to be better off cutting the sleeve with a cutting wheele.
08:55 PM enleth: stupid design
08:55 PM _unreal_: if they have no real designed use then cut it off
08:55 PM enleth: there's also small sleeves *inside* the bearings that convert the 15mm ID into 12.7mm
08:55 PM gregcnc: except is lasted 1.2Mcoffees?
08:55 PM _unreal_: pull your bearing. if you have the tools TURN a new one and press it on
08:55 PM enleth: _unreal_: I'll probably end up doing that
08:56 PM gregcnc: that's really the only answer
08:56 PM _unreal_: enleth, if you do I'd suggest adding some set bearings
08:56 PM enleth: but I might give it another try or two on the hydraulic press, with some heat
08:56 PM _unreal_: err
08:56 PM _unreal_: sorry beer is kicking in
08:56 PM _unreal_: I'd suggest adding some SET screws
08:56 PM _unreal_: to the sleeve and use epoxy when pressing the new one
08:57 PM enleth: that thing could actually be slip fit and it would work just fine
08:57 PM _unreal_: that will make it so that when it produces 1million more coffees it can be repaired again :)
08:57 PM _unreal_: I'd still add some kind of retainer like set screws
08:58 PM enleth: CA glue will be more than enough to prevent it from rattling
08:58 PM _unreal_: your call
08:58 PM enleth: anyway, I have to remove it first
08:59 PM _unreal_: OMG I cant wait till tomorrow when I can mill my inlay excess off
08:59 PM gregcnc: I'd heat it to see if it's loctite
09:00 PM enleth: could be, maybe
09:00 PM enleth: not sure if loctite would hold up to 10 or so tons in a press
09:00 PM enleth: but maybe with the help of some rust
09:01 PM Tom_L: just don't knock on it with a hammer etc, the rotor will move
09:01 PM _unreal_: enleth, if they used locktight you MUST have good ventilation
09:01 PM enleth: as for removing those large sleeves, I think the safest way would be to cut them lengthwise stopping just shy of the shaft, then split them with a hardened wedge
09:02 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:02 PM _unreal_: enleth, ya cut both sides
09:02 PM Tom_L: i thought you wanted to save em
09:02 PM enleth: either that or chuck it in the lathe and turn it away
09:02 PM enleth: Tom_L: I want to, I don't know if that's going to be possible
09:03 PM _unreal_: enleth, the first test is in good ventilation, give it some heat
09:03 PM _unreal_: and try pressing
09:03 PM _unreal_: ether it will move or it will not
09:03 PM enleth: well OK, going downstairs to get it going with a propane torch
09:03 PM _unreal_: again ventilation
09:04 PM _unreal_: locktight will FUCK you up bad if you burn it
09:15 PM flyback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t00BosKg5m8 <-- autotuned cows
09:51 PM jym: DYNO FAILS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2CEZxQecbc
09:53 PM XXCoder: damn lucky he stopped on time
09:53 PM XXCoder: what the fuck
09:53 PM XXCoder: jym: what shot from truck?
09:54 PM XXCoder: looks like drive bar??
10:01 PM jym: Waterjet wheel removal... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5I_pPjCtg
10:02 PM jym: XXCoder: no clue, just fun to watch
10:12 PM XXCoder: uh
10:12 PM XXCoder: racecar just shred tires
10:12 PM XXCoder: exploding engine
10:18 PM enleth: the fucker moved
10:18 PM enleth: whole press jumped
10:18 PM Tom_L: lots of pressure
10:19 PM Tom_L: did it move far enough?
10:19 PM enleth: it got unstuck, that's enough
10:20 PM enleth: 16 tons got it moving
10:20 PM Tom_L: no gage on it?
10:20 PM Tom_L: psi
10:21 PM enleth: it's an inverted bottle jack press
10:21 PM Tom_L: i figured
10:21 PM enleth: works well enough
10:21 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:29 PM jym: enleth: You could have just asked it "pretty please" and it would have come apart
11:39 PM _unreal_: so you got it OFF or you got it to move?
11:39 PM _unreal_: AND was it gnarled or just press fit?