#linuxcnc Logs

Jul 04 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:18 AM Deejay: moin
02:15 AM Loetmichel: *aaaah* the things we do... just soldered 2 new contacts into an Socket 1150 because someone at the customer dropped the I5 in it corner first. Thank god for the mechanics microscope!
02:16 AM Loetmichel: morning btw.
05:05 AM Tom_L: morning
05:06 AM jthornton: morning
08:41 AM perry_j1987: morning
08:42 AM perry_j1987: wow Loetmichel
09:47 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
10:00 AM perry_j1987: first threadmilled threads and they are fitting
10:00 AM perry_j1987: muahahaha
10:41 AM jthornton: awesome
10:41 AM * jthornton just finished cutting in the south living room exterior wall an it's hot out there
10:44 AM jthornton: and now the high is 92°F for today
10:46 AM SpeedEvil: https://i.imgur.com/qLIzU6h.gifv - robot bowling. (render)
10:55 AM Tom_L: SpeedEvil, that's funny
10:58 AM perry_j1987: omg they are takin our jobs!
10:58 AM perry_j1987: now how am i going to go bowling
10:59 AM jthornton: http://www.old-point-alpacas.farm/mp_slr.htm
11:00 AM perry_j1987: i've always wanted a solar tracking array
11:01 AM jthornton: with no motors!
11:02 AM perry_j1987: no motors?
11:02 AM jthornton: yup
11:02 AM perry_j1987: how does it move with no motors
11:02 AM Tom_L: read it
11:03 AM jthornton: refrigerant transfer
11:03 AM perry_j1987: oh duh
11:03 AM perry_j1987: you can use propane for that
11:03 AM perry_j1987: liquid propane
11:03 AM jthornton: you skipped to the photos lol
11:03 AM perry_j1987: it has a low boiling point
11:04 AM jthornton: and a high vapor pressure at 90°F it was 145psig the other day when I transfered some
11:04 AM perry_j1987: aye
11:05 AM perry_j1987: look up mentos wheels
11:05 AM perry_j1987: err not the candy
11:05 AM perry_j1987: mintos
11:05 AM perry_j1987: always wanted to try making one
11:07 AM jthornton: I have enough projects to last the rest of my life I think lol
11:07 AM jthornton: at least it seems that way right now
11:07 AM perry_j1987: heh
11:07 AM perry_j1987: projects are like jello
11:07 AM perry_j1987: there's always room for more
11:08 AM jthornton: lol
11:08 AM jthornton: nap time here... I'm worn out from painting in the heat
11:12 AM roycroft: today is tie dye day for me
11:12 AM roycroft: i'll probably dye half a dozen shirts
11:13 AM roycroft: i have to reassemble a machine stand that i refinished first though
11:13 AM * roycroft should get going pretty soon
11:37 AM SpeedEvil: Solar tracking is now less point full, with solar panels costing $0.5/w.
11:38 AM SpeedEvil: Once you count problems with the mounts, and increased area, it may often be worth just buying a few more panels,
11:38 AM perry_j1987: was 4 or so when i bought mine
11:42 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: considering that some fellow ircers have in excess of 30kWp on their roof thráts still a cobsiderable amount of money
11:43 AM Loetmichel: ... not to mention a dozen line-synchronized inverters... ;)
11:47 AM Loetmichel: or the 400m^2 roof space thats needed to mount the panels ;)
12:14 PM PL7icnc: hi BubbleRe-
12:14 PM PL7icnc: Bushman, are you on SIR
12:16 PM PL7icnc: Bushman, Sir i Realy like to Help You But not getting the point as you come up with different GUI and OS on every day
12:16 PM PL7icnc: Bushman, Sir im a ordanary worker in a bigger shop with 5 Plasmas running
12:17 PM PL7icnc: Bushman, i got 15 min rest during worktime access to the WWW
12:18 PM PL7icnc: Bushman, and i do Education on 4 Education centers CNC stuff 45min every 14day
12:19 PM PL7icnc: im in Germany English getting better and Better as practice Counts
12:20 PM PL7icnc: someone on Here to help on the Chat behavior does he get this mesages prompted if i call his Nick in first place
12:20 PM PL7icnc: it may also depend on Software and OS as all depends on that
12:22 PM Tom_L: maybe you want a private message?
12:22 PM PL7icnc: mr Tom_L does this apear as he is off
12:22 PM SpeedEvil: Loet sure. But trackers aren't free either, and if you are roof mounting may be not practical.
12:22 PM SpeedEvil: Only a bit under 10 here.
12:22 PM Tom_L: he is still connected
12:23 PM PL7icnc: Tom_L, that is clear but not on
12:23 PM Tom_L: seems so
12:23 PM PL7icnc: on the PC i mean
12:24 PM PL7icnc: Mr Tom_L can you send me a private mesage to see the behavior
12:24 PM Tom_L: it appears in a separate window
12:25 PM PL7icnc: i see user connected you
12:25 PM PL7icnc: so hope is he sees this bevor close
12:35 PM jym: Happy 4th
12:35 PM Tom_L: baah humbug
12:36 PM * jym hands a roman candle to Tom_L
12:36 PM * Tom_L does the right thing and aims it at jym
12:37 PM * jym duct tapes Tom_L to the rocket and lites the fuse
12:37 PM Tom_L: sky perspective?
12:38 PM jym: Sure, let's go with that... you can see all the fireworks at once
12:38 PM PL7icnc: I Am off Thanks you all for your infos on the Forum and Here
01:27 PM perry_j1987: .5mm depth of cut sound too much for 2 flute cutter in brass 1/8 diameter
01:28 PM perry_j1987: trying to figure out the cause of chatter marks
01:59 PM gloops: deflection
02:02 PM Tom_L: brass likes to grab
02:04 PM gloops: tbh id be happy enough if your machine is a chinese 6040 - getting .5mm in brass
02:06 PM SpeedEvil: I wonder at what point tool flex comes in.
02:06 PM Tom_L: i've had my share of issues breaking .125" carbide cutters but i think it's the crappy sherline holders
02:06 PM SpeedEvil: Doesn't take much tool flex at all to make a 1/8" tool move.
02:06 PM Tom_L: i'm going to try to switch it to a collet instead
02:07 PM Tom_L: they always break where the grub screw pushes against the tool
02:07 PM Tom_L: i have been known to re'use them albeit alot shorter
02:08 PM Tom_L: https://www.sherline.com/product/3079-end-mill-holders/
02:08 PM Tom_L: doesn't affect larger tools
02:08 PM Tom_L: the plan is to make one to fit a .500" tool and i'll use a valenite collet holder i have
02:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/valenite/valenite_holder1.jpg
02:09 PM Tom_L: i had to use that holder for something else so i gotta make another one
02:09 PM gloops: think ive broken 2 3.175mm tools in a year - thats 22mm cutting edge, one ran into something, ive swept at least 10 up not even knowing
02:10 PM Tom_L: i had been using the holder for a center drill
02:11 PM gloops: grub screw must be applying some force that makes a difference Tom_L
02:11 PM Tom_L: i'm sure that's the issue
02:11 PM gregcnc: is that a DA collet?
02:11 PM Tom_L: hss probably wouldn't break but you don't get .125" tools with that small a shank
02:11 PM Tom_L: in hss
02:12 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, i forget what series it is
02:12 PM gregcnc: more than likely the bore on that holder sucks
02:12 PM Tom_L: i'm sure of it
02:12 PM gloops: rocking ever so slightly on the screw
02:12 PM Tom_L: i don't have problems with any other size tools
02:13 PM gregcnc: larger and stronger
02:13 PM Tom_L: but i tend to use alot of .125" due to the spindle power
02:13 PM Elmo40: that is a tiny spindle!
02:14 PM Elmo40: Tom_L, when is the 5Hp VFD drive coming? ;-)
02:15 PM Tom_L: gregcnc, there's a drawing of the collet there if that tells you the series
02:16 PM Tom_L: yeah, double angle but don't know the series
02:18 PM gregcnc: http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/DA_Collet.html
02:18 PM Tom_L: iirc it may be a DA300
02:19 PM gregcnc: sounds right
02:19 PM Tom_L: i cut most of it off sadly
02:20 PM Tom_L: to fit under the sherline spindle
02:20 PM gregcnc: extension?
02:20 PM Tom_L: yeah 6" iirc
02:23 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/p/Valenite-1-2-Shank-Da300-Collet-Chuck-Extension-Holder-Ve-0500/1837956920
02:25 PM ItsFlipp: Hey all. Any ideas on approaches to fix these little seams that are left after 2d contours? https://i.imgur.com/4ZSeG9D.jpg
02:25 PM Tom_L: arc leadout
02:26 PM Tom_L: or let debur fix it
02:26 PM ItsFlipp: sadly don't have a debur setup in my garage :/
02:26 PM FinboySlick: ItsFlipp: Your flat areas look like the mill could use a little bit of tramming too.
02:26 PM Tom_L: you're pulling the tool straight up after the cut
02:27 PM Tom_L: pics tend to make things look alot worse
02:27 PM ItsFlipp: tom_L: let me check, but I think fusion's toolpath has arc leadout in the toolpath...
02:27 PM Tom_L: that would be my first guess on it...
02:28 PM ItsFlipp: FinboySlick: I think it's just standard toolmarks. Tram is ~1 tenth across 13"
02:28 PM Tom_L: it's not at a quadrant break so it's not backlash i doubt
02:28 PM ItsFlipp: Tom_L: yeah, that's what I initially thought, but my machine is pretty well tuned with less than 2 tenths backlash, but I did notice it does have a bit of initial stiction/lost motion on direction change
02:30 PM Tom_L: is it critical or just annoying?
02:30 PM gregcnc: is that not backlash?
02:30 PM Tom_L: :D
02:30 PM Tom_L: gregcnc if it were it would show up at a quadrant break
02:30 PM Tom_L: i think
02:30 PM ItsFlipp: yup, fusion has 0.025 lead-in radius + diameter, and while there's a tiiiiiny chance it may be getting lost in post I doubt it
02:31 PM ItsFlipp: yeah, to be clear: this is mooooostly just cosmetic
02:31 PM ItsFlipp: it does tend to complicate press-fit surfaces though
02:31 PM gregcnc: stiction/lost motion is the definition of backlash, but I agree not related
02:31 PM Tom_L: give it a little more leadout and see what that does
02:31 PM gregcnc: this can be several things
02:32 PM ItsFlipp: gregcnc: I had always assumed backlash was due to play between ballscrew/nut, and that stiction was more the built-up static friction forces when at rest/changing direction
02:33 PM ItsFlipp: e.g. if you twist a towel until it doesn't twist any more and produces force, when you twist it the other way it will "give" until it's bound tight the other way then transmit force
02:33 PM ItsFlipp: Tom_L will do, I'll see if that cleans things up
02:34 PM gregcnc: tool pressure on finish pass, radius of lead out, add overlap on finish, if feed is high could be control
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: ItsFlipp: you'll find what you just described more often in CNC routers and poorly designed machines
02:34 PM Tom_L: not sure what else it could be but if the tool sit there longer than another spot it will show
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: since their frames and bases will flex
02:34 PM Tom_L: that or do a thin cleanup pass
02:35 PM gregcnc: if it has arc leads, it's not sitting
02:35 PM Tom_L: yeah
02:35 PM ItsFlipp: CaptHindsight true. This isn't exactly off a VMC or anything; just a 770M
02:35 PM Tom_L: unless like he said, post it removing it
02:35 PM gregcnc: post wont' remove it
02:35 PM Tom_L: depends on the tolerances
02:36 PM Tom_L: but i'm with you on that
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: ItsFlipp: a rigid machine will just typically have backlash from play in the ball/leadscrew nuts
02:36 PM gregcnc: it might turn it into linear move, but it will be present
02:36 PM gregcnc: the wall finish is disappointing for a 770
02:37 PM CaptHindsight: unless the gibbs and ways are not adjusted or worn
02:37 PM ItsFlipp: I'm wondering if I'm just taking an imporper spring pass...? I'm leaving 0.02 with adaptive, and final contour is with a .25" 3-flute. That's about 8% WoC
02:37 PM ItsFlipp: gregcnc: agreed; I'm still dialing it in, still a relatively new machine to me
02:37 PM Tom_L: gregcnc you can tell on the ID the arcs were translated
02:37 PM gregcnc: try lighter finish pass
02:38 PM ItsFlipp: Tom_L oh, don't worry about the ID arcs; that's just a roughing pass. It was finished during the second setup
02:38 PM gregcnc: it's a stepper machine, arcs will only ever get so good, but they should be better than that
02:38 PM Tom_L: are you climb or conventional cutting the pockets?
02:39 PM gregcnc: wait this isn't a finish pass?
02:39 PM ItsFlipp: gregcnc ok, will try that.
02:39 PM ItsFlipp: sorry; the parts I highlighted earlier were finishing passes
02:39 PM ItsFlipp: I thought Tom_L was referring to the large inner bore finish that you can clearly see the linear paths from the roughing
02:39 PM ItsFlipp: tom_L climb
02:40 PM gregcnc: OK, there is also look finish pass overlap
02:40 PM Tom_L: i _was_ looking at that
02:40 PM ItsFlipp: ah, okay, my mistake!
02:40 PM Tom_L: so nothing shown is a finish pass?
02:40 PM ItsFlipp: here's a look at the other side's op. disclaimer: my soft jaws had a bit of slop, so the piece actually rocked a few thou :(
02:40 PM gregcnc: what is the actual step increment for that machine?
02:40 PM ItsFlipp: https://photos.app.goo.gl/3wkkMoTu9jBUc9en7
02:41 PM Bushman: wtf was this PL7icnc guy?
02:41 PM * JT-Shop finally got that damn tccm out of the truck!
02:41 PM Tom_L: bush he's a german that took ick's place
02:41 PM Bushman: and why was he PMing me with translate google quality english? >_<'
02:41 PM * Tom_L read that as icbm at first
02:41 PM Tom_L: wtf
02:41 PM Bushman: Tom_L: who's ick?
02:41 PM ItsFlipp: gregcnc: checking, but I think it's a tenth per step
02:42 PM Tom_L: a german instructor
02:42 PM ItsFlipp: yeah, a tenth
02:43 PM gregcnc: so it actually moves a 1/10th if commended?
02:43 PM gregcnc: commanded?
02:43 PM ItsFlipp: like I said though, on the rightmost vertical surfaces on that pic you can see that it didn't completely clean up the roughing passes due to the piece rocking in the poorly-made soft jaws
02:43 PM ItsFlipp: gregcnc: yup
02:43 PM perry_j1987: back
02:44 PM gregcnc: mainly curious as they don't publish or I haven't found it
02:44 PM perry_j1987: so if its tool flexing. i need to reduce that .5 depth of cut
02:44 PM perry_j1987: or keep it at .5 and rough it out and then do a second pass to clean it up at smaller amount
02:44 PM gregcnc: that part will distort in the vise
02:47 PM JT-Shop: geez now I can put the dash back on the truck when the tccm arrives
02:49 PM JT-Shop: looks like summit racing has the best price and lowest core charge
02:51 PM ItsFlipp: gregcnc: which part?
02:51 PM gregcnc: your thinwall part
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: did you have difficulty ordering from Summit?
02:51 PM ItsFlipp: a bit. it's being held by the lower surface though, which has quite a bit more metal
02:52 PM ItsFlipp: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pDF4JU13pUVTAThB6
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: my orders would always be delayed due to some "fraud check"
02:52 PM JT-Shop: not yet, why?
02:53 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: They're on to you.
02:53 PM JT-Shop: hmm, never had that happen
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop: they would call on the phone
02:54 PM JT-Shop: I usually order exhaust tubing from them to make these http://spyderstore.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=59_67
02:55 PM gregcnc: not a credit card address issue?
02:55 PM FinboySlick: When you really trust your machine's backlash and rigidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBEDaY2ZV9w
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: nope, I'd use paypal
02:55 PM FinboySlick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pW-VwFNvtw too
02:55 PM JT-Shop: ah I never use paypal to pay a bill, I always use my CC
02:56 PM gregcnc: probably those $20,000 orders then
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: doesn't help that i answer the phone with a different business name every time
02:56 PM JT-Shop: I have multiple businesses so I just say hello
02:56 PM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: You're the nicest home-grown terrorist I know.
02:56 PM JT-Shop: lol
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: Guido's House of Body Oils, Panda Hotline
02:57 PM gregcnc: that type of od turning in a mill isn't even new
02:57 PM FinboySlick: gregcnc: New or not, it's pretty impressive to me.
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: Ed's Shovel repair
02:58 PM gregcnc: i'm more impressed by the animation with chips
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: RTAI-LVF (la versione funzionante)
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: RTAI 5.2.2 stable release for LinuxCNC is here: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/releases
02:59 PM perry_j1987: not happy with ole-standby "hello City morque"
02:59 PM CaptHindsight: what to call the working fork of RTAI?
03:00 PM Tom_L: RTAI4
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.rtai.org/ that is what they use
03:01 PM Tom_L: RTAI_FTW would get mis'interpreted as RTAI_WTF
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: it will never be on the rtai.org site
03:01 PM Tom_L: we can be assured of that
03:02 PM Tom_L: RTAI_4_LCNC
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: maybe RTAI_LCNC then -#
03:03 PM Tom_L: a special blend of herbs and spices
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: RTAI-LCNC_5.x
03:03 PM Tom_L: sounds like a winner
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: up to him
03:04 PM Tom_L: why you bothering me about it then? :D
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: fun
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: try it sometime :)
03:04 PM Tom_L: do i win a prize if my name is chosen?
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: that's an idea
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: RTAI_winners_name_#
03:05 PM Tom_L: i should go work on that holder..
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: nso hot in here the works gonna harded itself
03:56 PM Deejay: gn8
04:38 PM perry_j1987: giving this gwizard a try
04:38 PM perry_j1987: its not going too well lol
04:43 PM * JT-Shop2 has 8 fixtures changed over to LED's only 16 to go...
04:43 PM JT-Shop2: perry_j1987: what kind of G code are you trying to generate?
04:43 PM perry_j1987: its some sort of godly feed and speed wizard
04:44 PM perry_j1987: I am trying to get a nice surface quality on brass
04:44 PM perry_j1987: with this 2 flute 1/8 endmill
04:44 PM perry_j1987: on a 6040 cnc
04:48 PM JT-Shop2: profile cutting or surface cutting? not that I do a lot of brass but it should machine pretty easy unless it has a high copper content IIRC
04:48 PM XXCoder: if its holes maybe reamer or postprocess with lapper if smoothness of hole is required
04:50 PM JT-Shop2: XXCoder: do you machine a lot of brass?
04:50 PM XXCoder: nah
04:50 PM XXCoder: its almost always alum for me
04:50 PM gloops: finishing pass?
04:51 PM XXCoder: another option maybe yeah. maybe finish pass with small cut and higher rpm possibly?
04:52 PM XXCoder: might be wrong on higher rpm thing
04:52 PM gloops: or emery cloth lol
04:52 PM XXCoder: clickspring loves those oil stones
04:53 PM JT-Shop2: finally got that damn transfer case control module out of the truck
04:53 PM XXCoder: oh jt seems work is getting new HUGE mill machine
04:53 PM JT-Shop2: turns out it's wider than deep so you have to wiggle it around 90° to get it out
04:54 PM JT-Shop2: nice
04:54 PM * JT-Shop2 thinks it's time to quit working for the day and have his beer
05:07 PM Tom_L: it _is_ rather humid out
05:08 PM XXCoder: it reached 60% humid inside shop
05:08 PM XXCoder: fun
05:08 PM Tom_L: based on the drip factor, it's at least that here
05:10 PM jthornton: it's only 62% humidity here and 90°F
05:25 PM Tom_L: 88F
05:25 PM Tom_L: not quite as bad
05:25 PM Wetmelon: Evenin'
05:25 PM Tom_L: a noisy one yes
05:26 PM jthornton: you got thunder activity over there?
05:26 PM Tom_L: last night
05:27 PM * Tom_L wonders if jt celebrated with his cannon
05:27 PM jthornton: been busy working on stuff all day
05:27 PM Tom_L: one dog hates the noise so i've been baby sitting alot
05:27 PM jthornton: can't get it out of the big shop any way too much crap in the way and the truck is in front of it
05:28 PM jthornton: yea Cocoa didn't like thunder, I would sit on the floor and it would lay across my lap
05:28 PM Tom_L: slowly working on a holder for that valenite collet extension
05:28 PM Tom_L: you're rural, it's fairly constant here
05:29 PM jthornton: I need to get that damn spindle adapter made soon
05:29 PM Tom_L: got a couple extra fans running to muffle the noise
05:29 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/valenite/valenite_holder1.jpg
05:29 PM Tom_L: just another one of those
05:29 PM Tom_L: i had to use that holder for my threadmill
05:29 PM Tom_L: bored it out to 5/8
05:30 PM jthornton: some kind of collet holder?
05:30 PM Tom_L: valenite 'pencil' extension
05:30 PM Tom_L: was 6" long
05:31 PM Tom_L: http://www.pitstool.com/pdf/l0347.pdf
05:31 PM Tom_L: DA300
05:32 PM jthornton: I thought that looked like a DA collet, I have a few somewhere
05:32 PM Tom_L: i've only got a couple
05:32 PM Tom_L: my bud used them all the time for drill extensions etc in pockets
05:33 PM Tom_L: i was gonna be silly and try and make some: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/valenite/Collet_Drawing.jpg
05:34 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/valenite/Collet.jpg
05:34 PM jthornton: yea that don't look like any fun to make
05:34 PM Tom_L: first problem is the spindle won't drive my slitting saw
05:35 PM Tom_L: so i pretty well scrapped the idea
05:35 PM Tom_L: i'll likely only use 1/8 or 1/4 tools and i've got those collets
05:52 PM jym: OMG... SOOOOOO stuffed
06:31 PM Valen: rtai release hey, that'll make at least one guy very happy
06:31 PM Valen: hope they can keep it up
06:34 PM andypugh: Valen: RTAI releae? Where?
06:34 PM Valen: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/releases
06:35 PM Valen: as in they have done their thing
06:35 PM Valen: and I'm hoping it makes life easier for a wonderfull person here ;-)
06:36 PM enleth: finally got the KR200 to run custom programs despite weird VW config
06:37 PM enleth: the attempt was successful-ish, other than a brand new hole in the drywall next to the robot
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: hey Valen how's winter this year?
06:44 PM Valen: not bad, got ducted air conditioning now so... yay lol
06:44 PM Valen: also hottest winter ever recorded I think yet again
06:45 PM CaptHindsight: any big fires this year?
06:47 PM CaptHindsight: seems like you've had extreme everythings as far as weather, heavy rain, sandstorms, forest fires etc
06:48 PM Valen: not near here, some big ones out where family lives
06:48 PM jym: Valen: Where's "here"?
06:49 PM Valen: I'm in sydney
06:49 PM Valen: they are in bega (like the cheese) ~600km south
06:49 PM CaptHindsight: jym: even their city spiders can kill you
06:49 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_funnel-web_spider
06:49 PM jym: CaptHindsight: The 10 deadliest things on the planet come from australia
06:50 PM jym: top ten that is
06:50 PM Valen: Is one of them my dogs farts?
06:51 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Correction... TOP ELEVEN
06:51 PM Valen: heh, had so many spiders in the shed that the funnelwebs were building nests out of other spiders webs up around the roof
06:51 PM Valen: they normally are on the ground only
06:52 PM jym: You have to wpe out the old spider webs, or they will keep coming back
06:52 PM jym: OH...
06:53 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/FIRT7lf8byw?t=28 roo vs man
06:53 PM jym: If you get a cut that won't stop bleeding, burn a piece of toilet paper and place the burnt black ash on the cut
06:53 PM jym: Any paper really, but TP or tissue makes the finest ash
06:54 PM jym: Now, I have to mop up the blood on the floor =)
06:55 PM Valen: jym: it was more that I (and everybody else) had never seen them making nests at head height before
06:55 PM Valen: oh I have a video of one dragging something off I think
06:55 PM jym: Valen: as opposed to foot high?
06:56 PM Valen: that was a few years ago though, don't know if I could find it. It was dragging a full size grasshopper or something through the grass
06:56 PM Valen: jym: normally they nest underground. I'll try and take a photo next time I see one, there's 2 that used to be here
06:57 PM jym: Valen: Oh I got something for you then...
06:57 PM Valen: They make a hole that looks just perfect to stick your finger in lol
06:57 PM jym: Valen: Enjoy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pfdRBahCG8
06:58 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/oarr8ZadGg8?t=27 easily caught
06:59 PM jym: Valen: They are a form of ground nesting wasp, attack and paralize terantuals then lay egss on it and they eat the spider alive
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/ngKjcNqo-dc?t=21 cute but deadly
07:12 PM Valen: I got it backwards a wasp got a huntsman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZ8rhTtU5Q
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: dropped 20 deg in the past hour
07:27 PM andypugh: I think that nearly all wasps do the “laying eggs in something alive” trick.
07:28 PM XXCoder: not really
07:28 PM XXCoder: oh left
07:39 PM jym: XXCoder: ???
07:39 PM XXCoder: ???
07:40 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Sounds like a movie... -220F now?
07:40 PM jym: XXCoder: oh left
07:40 PM XXCoder: andypugh left right after saying that
07:40 PM jym: ah
07:40 PM XXCoder: you dont have enter/leave notifications?
07:45 PM jym: I don't keep track
07:45 PM XXCoder: you didnt have to, he left right before my first statement :)
08:17 PM Valen: In other news, compiled master on debian 10 with preempt all seems to be working
08:17 PM Valen: latencytest ran
08:17 PM Valen: and axis is running sim
08:26 PM Tom_L: is 10 purely 64bit?
08:33 PM Valen: I don't know, I installed the 64bit version
08:34 PM * jym is waiting for the 256bit version
08:35 PM XXCoder: skipping 128 but eh
08:39 PM jym: 256bit CPU's should have been out like 5 years ago
08:39 PM XXCoder: problem is 256 bit would need so much more ram than 64 bit
08:39 PM XXCoder: 8 gb ram would act as "1 gb"
08:40 PM jym: XXCoder: And your point is? https://petapixel.com/2017/09/13/hp-z8-pc-can-upgraded-insane-3tb-ram-48tb-storage/
08:40 PM SpeedEvil: That almost doesn't matter due to packing and cachelines.
08:41 PM SpeedEvil: The real limit is singlecore performance almost topped out over a decade ago.
08:41 PM jym: SpeedEvil: I cna deal with a 4" sq CPU
08:41 PM SpeedEvil: I am reminded of the 386sx
08:41 PM XXCoder: bit travel would be bit slow on that
08:41 PM SpeedEvil: 16 bit bus 386
08:41 PM XXCoder: traveling whole 4 inches
08:42 PM XXCoder: photons would die of old age trabeling that distance ;) kidding
08:45 PM jym: XXCoder: https://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon7000/
08:46 PM XXCoder: fancy
08:46 PM jym: XXCoder: 12TB of ram https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10QBI
08:46 PM XXCoder: ok
08:48 PM jym: I wonder what the latency would be on that?
08:48 PM XXCoder: we need some form of bit pushing breakthough
08:49 PM jym: SpeedEvil: 24 cores enough?
08:49 PM SpeedEvil: jym: some algorithms don't parallelise well, which is when singlecore performance matters.
08:50 PM jym: SpeedEvil: I don't know why, but I find multiple CPU's can do better than multiple cores
08:51 PM SpeedEvil: That depends on the app.
08:51 PM jym: SpeedEvil: crypto stuff
08:51 PM jym: SpeedEvil: No, not mining btw
08:51 PM SpeedEvil: If you can parallelise, then yes, it goes 24* as fast.
08:53 PM jym: SpeedEvil: IT's built in, but I REALLY should RTFM to get the most out of it =)
08:54 PM roycroft: tie dyeing is done
08:54 PM roycroft: my hippie license is officially renewed :)
08:54 PM jym: roycroft: We need to see the hippie mobile first
08:55 PM roycroft: i was just talking with my mechanic about it on monday, actually
08:55 PM jym: roycroft: https://slm-assets1.secondlife.com/assets/17909356/view_large/hippy_bus_12.jpg?1501198184
08:55 PM roycroft: i have a newly-rebuilt engine for it
08:55 PM roycroft: but i really don't want to install it
08:56 PM roycroft: i'm at a point where i'd rather pay someone to do that
08:56 PM roycroft: i need new carbs for it
08:56 PM roycroft: the ones it has are some crappy webers
08:56 PM roycroft: he's getting me a quote for getting it back on the road
08:57 PM roycroft: mine is a '74
08:57 PM roycroft: bay window, not split window
08:57 PM roycroft: i do have a '65 split window bus that i was going to convert to an ev
08:58 PM roycroft: but i'm probably just going to sell it to pay for getting the '74 back on the road, and to pay off some bills
09:03 PM roycroft: https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/d/springfield-okuma-lc20-cnc-lathe/6926794357.html
09:03 PM roycroft: that's pretty cheap for a cnc lathe
09:04 PM XXCoder: external looks bad but inside seems ojk
09:04 PM roycroft: it's probably fine
09:04 PM XXCoder: shop I work at has old fadal 88 for sale for 2000 bucks but nobodys buying. spindle is kinda shot
09:04 PM roycroft: there's no way i have room for that anywhere
09:04 PM XXCoder: im hoping they evenually scrap it as I asked for all controls on it if it goes.
09:05 PM roycroft: if you can fix/replace the spindle for $2k it's still worth it
09:05 PM XXCoder: yeah no room at all at my home though
09:05 PM XXCoder: heck i have no room for my tiny router, let alone whole mill
09:05 PM roycroft: add $25k for a shop extension
09:05 PM roycroft: and it's probably not worth it
09:05 PM Tom_L: fadal is kinda whimpy
09:05 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:06 PM XXCoder: tom fadal is FANASTIC for basic jobs
09:06 PM Tom_L: for aluminum
09:06 PM XXCoder: it cant do shit for steel stuff
09:06 PM XXCoder: thougfh we sometimes run steel stuff, its always very basic like drill holes or engrave
09:06 PM XXCoder: same for even harder metals
09:07 PM XXCoder: im so happy we dont engrave those washers anymore woooot
09:07 PM Tom_L: i could go eat lunch and come back before the tools changed
09:07 PM Tom_L: but it _did_ cut parts
09:08 PM Tom_L: we had a rotary for it
09:09 PM Tom_L: which was kinda nice
09:09 PM Tom_L: indexer
09:10 PM XXCoder: if I got old fadal for free I probably can figure how to put it somewhere
09:10 PM XXCoder: but not in usable positon in least not till i build shop
09:10 PM roycroft: or sell it
09:10 PM Tom_L: we switched it over for 220v in his first shop
09:11 PM XXCoder: roy its been on sale for almost 2 years now
09:11 PM XXCoder: 2 office mills at $16k each sold out now
09:11 PM roycroft: apparently the right person is not aware that it's for sale
09:11 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:11 PM roycroft: if you get it for free you have an opportunity to find that person
09:12 PM Tom_L: probably $600+ to move it unless you're up for it yourself
09:12 PM norias: hmpf
09:13 PM norias: anyone ever play with the G31 gcode?
09:13 PM XXCoder: tom thats true didnt think of move costs
09:13 PM XXCoder: i probably would need cnc machine mover thing too
09:13 PM Tom_L: norias remind me?
09:13 PM Tom_L: i think i have
09:13 PM norias: "skip"
09:13 PM XXCoder: the 4 small metal rod type wheels thing
09:13 PM Tom_L: maybe not
09:13 PM norias: rather "feed until skip"
09:13 PM XXCoder: and of course steering thing to move around
09:14 PM norias: i guess it just feeds along until an external signal
09:14 PM norias: seems undefined in linuxcnc
09:14 PM Tom_L: i don't see a G31 in the docs
09:14 PM norias: yeah
09:15 PM Tom_L: so no i haven't used it :)
09:15 PM norias: right on
09:15 PM norias: apparently haas has it
09:15 PM norias: i haven't played with it
09:15 PM norias: they use it with probes, it seems
09:15 PM Tom_L: various codes are implemented on different controls
09:16 PM norias: this one is in a book on the design of cnc controls
09:16 PM Tom_L: i have a haas cheat sheet here somewhere...
09:16 PM norias: gives me the sense that maybe it's part of the standard
09:17 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: one of issues is its such an ancient machine
09:17 PM XXCoder: it expects tape machine to be connected via parallel. system at work fakes being one
09:18 PM Tom_L: used to record a probed location to a macro variable
09:18 PM XXCoder: so it would need new system to be useful
09:18 PM Tom_itx: https://www.haascnc.com/service/codes-settings.type=gcode.machine=mill.value=G31.pdf
09:20 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g38
09:20 PM Tom_L: similar
09:53 PM Tom_L: XXCoder i set up a bridgeport like that once
09:53 PM Valen: How does one get the 5i24/6i24 to show up in pncconf?
09:54 PM Valen: I tried putting firmware in /var/firmware/hm2 and /var/firmware/hm2/5i24 with no change in the list of cards at the card selection page in pncconf
09:54 PM Valen: Only showing 5i25_internal etc in there
09:54 PM Valen: this is using a run in place version of linuxcnc master
09:54 PM pcw_home: Dont think pncconf knows about the 5I24 (but you could make a 5I20 config and change the card name in the hal file later)
09:55 PM Valen: Question part 2, how do I get 5i20 to turn up in pncconf ;-)
09:55 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: like what? use parallel port to download program? or to use lunuxcnc?
09:56 PM Valen: Or am I better off rolling it all by hand again?
09:57 PM Tom_L: XXCoder i don't remember now, that was eons ago
09:58 PM XXCoder: lol ok
09:58 PM Tom_L: it used a 20ma loop of some sort
09:58 PM Tom_L: current loop
09:58 PM pcw_home: what firmware are you planning to use?
09:58 PM Tom_L: in fact i sent the manuals to archivist because i was 'done' with em
10:03 PM Valen: 4 stepper I was thinking
10:03 PM Valen: pcw_home:
10:03 PM XXCoder: tom about him, is he ok? I guess still too busy or something
10:03 PM Valen: got a pair of 7i32's to attach to it
10:03 PM XXCoder: or completeky done with irc
10:04 PM Valen: 7i32 x2 and a 7i37
10:18 PM Tom_L: XXCoder no idea
10:19 PM XXCoder: hope guys ok
10:32 PM roycroft: someone here told me a while back that he's fine, but not interested in irc any more
10:35 PM XXCoder: if thats the case, happy hes fine
10:35 PM XXCoder: people do change acrpss time
10:47 PM jym: XXCoder: do not
10:48 PM XXCoder: poor you, frozen in time'
10:48 PM jym: XXCoder: If you had to be, what period would you choose?
10:49 PM XXCoder: 100 years in future
10:50 PM jym: XXCoder: Really? why?
10:50 PM XXCoder: not
10:51 PM XXCoder: virtually all era in past is quit cruel to deaf
10:51 PM XXCoder: that or deaf guards for confidental meetings between king and someone
10:51 PM XXCoder: that job is super extremely rare
10:52 PM jym: XXCoder: eh, lip reading
10:52 PM XXCoder: if king finds out can do that, that guard is soon dead
10:53 PM jym: that's kinda a thing for most deaf folks, even if not "trained"
10:53 PM XXCoder: i virtually cant lipread
10:53 PM jym: not at all?
10:54 PM jym: I suck at it, but I can with some people
10:54 PM XXCoder: lipreading is easier for hearing
10:54 PM XXCoder: you can look at lips and hear
10:54 PM XXCoder: learn what it looks like
10:56 PM jym: ah
11:34 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: what happens if you get there and nobody is deaf?
11:34 PM XXCoder: depends on "there"
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: say in the mean time (~100) years
11:35 PM XXCoder: if say its mall ill just browse and stuff
11:35 PM XXCoder: ahh yea
11:35 PM CaptHindsight: say it's trivial to make the deaf hear
11:35 PM XXCoder: deafness will exist for quite a while, but not infinite life
11:35 PM XXCoder: would be interesting
11:36 PM XXCoder: given any tech or cure to make me hear, my brain never really developed hearing centers
11:36 PM CaptHindsight: so nobody born in the past 50 years was raised deaf
11:36 PM XXCoder: so i will never be able to perfectly understand people
11:36 PM CaptHindsight: will we ever have equal rights?
11:37 PM XXCoder: or maybe they have ai onboard board implant in brain that turns noises and spoken stuff into understanding
11:37 PM CaptHindsight: will we stop taking advantage of those less fortunate?
11:37 PM XXCoder: its hard to predict what will end deaf culture.
11:38 PM CaptHindsight: worst case everyone is orange
11:39 PM XXCoder: lol
11:39 PM CaptHindsight: and has a big mouth
11:39 PM XXCoder: I'd just jump few 100 years into futher future
11:40 PM CaptHindsight: yeah, Id; really like a peek first :)
11:40 PM XXCoder: with basic time travel it'd be trivial to make money
11:46 PM jym: As opposed to PREMIUM time travel?
11:47 PM XXCoder: only difference is latter has gold tiolet seat and fancy bed for longer time trips heh
11:47 PM jym: lol
11:49 PM jym: I did not know this, guess I should have read the brochure