Jul 01 2019
01:54 AM Deejay: moin
02:20 AM miss0r: mornin'
02:21 AM XXCoder: heys
02:40 AM gloops: right, finally ready to get this machine doing something
02:41 AM gloops: experience tells me this is probably the point it will break down...but
02:43 AM Loetmichel: hmm, strange problem... Coworker loaded and started a program from doubious sources (playing "music" on the Stepeprs), now the 3d display in axis has about 300mm offset in x and y... (not displaying the real zero point, and if you zero in it shows "380mm" as x0 when its really -2,0mm for example)... anyone knows where that is saved to?
02:44 AM Loetmichel: Is there another offset layer apart from machine offset and workpiece offset?
02:44 AM XXCoder: wonder if it used set offset
02:45 AM XXCoder: some machine do
02:45 AM XXCoder: basically special coord where all others is offset by it,
02:45 AM Loetmichel: in LinuxCNC i mean
02:45 AM Loetmichel: machine offset still shows correct values
02:45 AM XXCoder: ie if x is set at 1" and others is set to zero on that special coord, it will move all other coord (not machine) by 1"
02:46 AM XXCoder: not sure if linuxcnc has special offset
02:46 AM Loetmichel: as in: if you press # it shows correct values from machine origin
02:46 AM XXCoder: ah!
02:46 AM XXCoder: g92
02:46 AM XXCoder: global offset
02:47 AM Loetmichel: thanks, will check once the program i am running is done
02:47 AM XXCoder: To make the current point, what ever it is, have the coordinates X0, Y0, and Z0 you would use G92 X0 Y0 Z0. G92 does not work from absolute machine coordinates. It works from current location.
02:47 AM XXCoder: reading for cancel
02:48 AM Loetmichel: funny thing: if you set the worpiece origin correctly (as in: touching the workpiece and setting x y and z to the approbiate values of the program used at the moment, x-2 and y-2.5 in my case) it mills correctly, despite displaying 380++ to much in x and ~120 to much in y
02:49 AM Loetmichel: thats how i run it atm ;)
02:55 AM pingufan: Hello. Is there a free viewer for GCodes available/known? I want to open a .ngc file and watch the tool moves in timeleap to slow motion. For verification on my Linux workstation before running the job in reality on my CNC mill (AXIS).
02:56 AM Loetmichel: pingufan: you could replicate your linuxCNC machine in a VM and use "sim" instead of real machine
02:56 AM Loetmichel: and then use axis
02:56 AM Loetmichel: that would be the closes to the real thing
02:57 AM sensille: but there is a free viewer, i just don't remember the name
02:57 AM Loetmichel: +t
02:59 AM pingufan: I would prefer running something natively on my openSUSE Leap 15. Too many VMs meanwhile.
02:59 AM pingufan: But AXIS and .rpm based systems appear a bit cmplicated.
03:00 AM Loetmichel: thats why i suggested a VM
03:00 AM Loetmichel: because for verification of programs you want to be as close to the real thing as possible
03:02 AM sensille: pingufan: http://bfy.tw/OMtu
03:10 AM gloops: pingufan notepad++
03:11 AM XXCoder: vismach
03:11 AM XXCoder: i designed one for tutorial but never completed the tutorial side
03:12 AM gloops: oh not just a reader, a sim
03:12 AM pingufan: notepad++ on Linux... rofl
03:12 AM XXCoder: i use xed
03:13 AM gloops: i only read as far as - <pingufan> Hello. Is there a free viewer for GCodes available/known? I want to open a .ngc file
03:13 AM pingufan: Hehe
03:16 AM sensille: i seem to remember camotics was recommended to me
03:16 AM Wolf__: set z higher than crash, run it
03:16 AM sensille: omits the FF-part
03:19 AM XXCoder: oh this week is a vacation one
03:19 AM XXCoder: sensille: its eh roughly ok for stock cutting cnc sim
03:19 AM XXCoder: at work I use predator cnc editor pretty good
03:20 AM sensille: I use the sim option in F360
03:21 AM XXCoder: I used linuxcnc itself as sim, but its annoying to install sim version on my home pc
04:06 AM pingufan: Well, I found a promising tool named "CAMotics". But it is not available as .rpm for my Leap 15.0.
04:07 AM XXCoder: https://camotics.org/ offical site
04:09 AM pingufan: I know this one. Don't know why, but they use different libraries. Does not match openSUSE Leap 15.0
04:10 AM XXCoder: aqh dunno
04:11 AM gloops: what about freecad does that do cutting sim?
04:11 AM gloops: seem to remember ichs working on it
04:11 AM XXCoder: yeah its still incomplete I think
04:13 AM pingufan: In last time I often find very poorely tested packages. :(
04:14 AM XXCoder: thats why I use debian based distro, usually more complete suport
04:26 AM miss0r: Searching for "free online proxy" and making it to "free online pr" and google suggests free online pregnancy test haha how would that even work :) I'm afraid to even do that search
04:27 AM XXCoder: lol
04:27 AM XXCoder: likely result of some amount of girls worried about that
04:29 AM miss0r: yeah hehe
04:36 AM sensille: you can't get pregnant online
04:36 AM sensille: (or so i've been told)
04:59 AM Tom_L: morning
05:10 AM Tom_L: Loetmichel, .var file has fixture offsets. ini has backlash comp
05:12 AM Tom_L: and the G92 thing mentioned above are the only offsets i'm aware of
05:13 AM Tom_L: i'd offset the coworker into the next room and keep him there
05:15 AM Tom_L: G53 but it's non modal
05:19 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: i was thinking about it... (the coworker offset)... especially because he tends to start private jobs in the lunch break (which is ok) that run til 17:00 (which is not ok) on a regular basis.
05:21 AM Tom_L: i figured it was likely the same guy
05:22 AM jthornton: morning
05:22 AM Tom_L: hey jt
07:52 AM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: heh, I avoid Debian for the same reason
08:05 AM beachbumpete1: Hello LinuxCNC :)
08:07 AM jdh: hello FloridaMan
08:12 AM beachbumpete1: Hey JD
08:12 AM beachbumpete1: Howzitgoin?
08:13 AM jdh: hot and humid.
08:14 AM beachbumpete1: Its a bit hot here too man. Thank GOD I just fixed the AC in my van ;)
08:15 AM beachbumpete1: Drove up to Orlando Airport to pick up my daughter for a visit and it would have SUCKED not having it for a few hours there and back. Actually its only about an hour and a half but still...
08:33 AM rmu: WTF https://ooe.orf.at/stories/3002720/
08:33 AM rmu: sorry
08:33 AM rmu: wrong #
11:24 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neiko-11402A-Stubby-4-Inch-Change/dp/B07CVQWDMY - I have a screwdriver which has an autochanger, and supports 25mm hex bits. This is handy. Does anyone make very very stubby bits, that is ~1/2" of actual bit, 1/2" of hex.
11:25 AM SpeedEvil: Yes, this is silly, but would be moderately useful for working in 1/2" ply and such to make clearance holes.
11:27 AM roycroft: you'll be regrinding them to brad points before working in the plywood, yes?
11:28 AM SpeedEvil: Possibly.
11:29 AM SpeedEvil: But, while there is in principle plenty of meat to regrind the above into the shape mentioned, ...
11:32 AM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/Drill-Length-Threaded-Tight-Fit/dp/B011MFOGTM
11:32 AM roycroft: that might be interesting for you
11:32 AM roycroft: you could take a piece of round stock, drill and tap the end, and mount those in it as needed
11:33 AM roycroft: i don't think you'll find much shorter drills
11:34 AM roycroft: you can probably even chuck them up on the hex shank part, and ignore the threaded part
11:35 AM roycroft: at least for the 1/2" one
11:35 AM * Loetmichel just milled a pocket 6mm deep into 8mm alu... then cut a smaller rectangular hole in said pocket with a 2mm bit for the rest of the 2mm material.
11:35 AM Loetmichel: in the corner of the pocket
11:36 AM Loetmichel: BAD Loetmichel... forgot that there is a 3mm inner radius in the pocket corner...
11:36 AM Loetmichel: AAANd another 2mm 2 flute carbide bit with xx length cutting broken off... :-(
11:37 AM Loetmichel: xx= 16mm cutting length i meant
11:41 AM Loetmichel: cutting 6.15mm deep alu is a BIT much for the 2mm 2flute in one go... at 1200mm/min feedrate ;)
11:41 AM Loetmichel: (in the corner)
11:41 AM Loetmichel: 0.15mm cutting depth is my normal in alu for the 2mm bit ;)
12:16 PM SpeedEvil: roycroft: Interesting. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0084CNHJ2 - is the screwdriver - and the hex it takes is 1/4" though, so those though very close won't work. I wonder if just drilling out hex stock, then epoxying in drills would work.
12:16 PM SpeedEvil: epoxy/loctite/silver solder.
12:19 PM roycroft: i'm not sure you'd even need to do that
12:19 PM roycroft: just drill out some rod, tap to 1/4"-28, and screw the stubby drill in
12:19 PM roycroft: as long as you don't have to reverse the drill it won't come out
12:20 PM Rab: I got some hex drills where the drill was epoxied into the shank, they tended to turn loose under normal use. It was really annoying.
12:20 PM SpeedEvil: The hex is too large to fit in the autochanger.
12:20 PM roycroft: if you want to make a holder for each one you can certainly use epoxy or whatever
12:20 PM SpeedEvil: toolchanger.
12:21 PM SpeedEvil: Rab: got a fair bit of silver solder, which is probably a better plan.
12:22 PM roycroft: you could drill the hex stock for the holder, insert the drill, and then drill through both for a roll pin to hold in place
12:22 PM roycroft: that makes it removable so you can replace the drill when it wears out/breaks without having to make a new holder
12:23 PM SpeedEvil: Indeed - but these are going to be light duty, mainly used on wood and aluminium in a low torque application mainly for pilot holes.
12:23 PM Rab: That reminds me, I'd like a hex shank tap holder. I have a hex-to-3/8" adapter and a tap holder with 3/8" drive, but the combo is pretty wobbly...nervous about using it for 6-32 or smaller.
12:24 PM roycroft: yes, but as soon as you assume you'll never need to replace the drill you'll break it :)
12:24 PM SpeedEvil: A nice press fit with tight holes would be another better way to do this, but requires more stuff.
12:25 PM roycroft: at any rate, i don't think you'll find any drills that are "stubbier" than those
12:25 PM Rab: Could even have a little set screw in the shank, and grind a divot in the drill to engage.
12:25 PM roycroft: so it's probably worth figuring out how to mount them
12:26 PM roycroft: yes, a set srew would work too
12:26 PM roycroft: but i still think just drilling and tapping would be fine, as you should not need to ever run the drill in reverse
12:27 PM SpeedEvil: roycroft: If you mean tapping for the above hex/threaded things, that won't work - the hex is too large.
12:28 PM SpeedEvil: it needs to fit through a 1/4" hex opening.
12:29 PM roycroft: oh, yeah, so tapping for a 1/4"-28 thread in a 1/4" holder would not work well
12:29 PM roycroft: so make a drill holder out of 1/2" hex stock, and machine the end that inserts into the tool holder to 1/4"
12:30 PM roycroft: the 1/2" part would not have to be very long - overall lenght would still be very short
12:31 PM SpeedEvil: The toolholder is integrated into the above screwdriver, and retracts and presents the tool. The tool has to pass through a 1/4" hex hole to get into storage.
12:32 PM roycroft: oh, the entire tool has to do that
12:32 PM roycroft: hmm
12:33 PM roycroft: and the drills themselves are hardened, so would be challenging to modify
12:33 PM SpeedEvil: I think silver solder is likely to be easiest, in a reasonably accurately drilled hole.
12:34 PM SpeedEvil: Drill the hole in the hex clean the bit of any nitride or other coating, add flux, solder.
12:34 PM SpeedEvil: trim off remaining bit.
12:34 PM roycroft: it might be easiest to just take a standard stubby drill, cut off most of the webbed/cutting end, and regrinding the tip
12:35 PM roycroft: and then cutting off most of the shank, if necessary
12:35 PM SpeedEvil: Is there a good reason not to silver solder to the fluted portion?
12:37 PM Rab: Screwdriver with automatic toolchanger, crazy.
12:37 PM roycroft: i think i'd prefer a good tight fit between the parts before soldering
12:37 PM roycroft: and not globbing a bunch of solder in the flute gaps
12:37 PM gregcnc: I would plan to drill and braze, then put it off until I forgot why I needed it
12:37 PM SpeedEvil: I say silver solder, braze would work fine too.
12:38 PM roycroft: essentially the same process
12:38 PM SpeedEvil: Thanks for the thoughts anyway. Yes.
12:38 PM gregcnc: what do you do with a 12mm long drill?
12:39 PM SpeedEvil: gregcnc: pilot and clearance holes in wood and aluminium, basically.
12:39 PM SpeedEvil: And yes, almost any drill would be better.
12:40 PM gregcnc: have to finish to cleaning the coolant tank
12:41 PM * SpeedEvil needs practice brazing anyway, so yay.
12:41 PM Rab: For 12mm deep pilot in wood, you could practically just ram in one of the standard bits e.g. torx.
12:42 PM SpeedEvil: Depends on the wood. But yes.
12:42 PM Rab: Possibly I have abused #1 phillips for a multitude of sins. >_>
01:09 PM Elmo40: people still use phillips? everyone knows robertson is the best
01:10 PM beachbumpete1: Naah square drive..
01:14 PM CaptHindsight: heh, and i still see single slot screw heads everywhere
01:15 PM CaptHindsight: is everyone in the USA already on vacation?
01:16 PM Rab: engative
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: i have to pick up material by Tuesday/tomorrow or i won't be able to get any until July 8
01:16 PM Rab: uh
01:16 PM Rab: negative
01:16 PM Rab: I guess I need a vacation.
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: Wednesday is like half a day for lots of suppliers, technically open but don't order anything
01:29 PM Elmo40: we only have today off.
01:29 PM Elmo40: Canada
01:29 PM Elmo40: but it is ~91F outside... I really don't want to do anything in that sun today.
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: Canada Day?
01:33 PM CaptHindsight: anyone else using Debian Buster or Sid with LCNC here?
01:39 PM beachbumpete1: Hell Im not even sure if we are closed or not
01:41 PM gloops: finally found the 5x6mm endmills ive been looking for all day - behind the microwave of course
01:42 PM gloops: it finally came to me, the mrs had the packet on the top while she was tidying, fs i said give me those! and put them safe - behind the microwave
02:02 PM jym: Tom_L: SomeTHING stole my grease bait trap last night, lol
02:14 PM roycroft: oh, canada, you love to eat poutine
02:16 PM jym: If it was country sausage gravy, I'd love it too
02:17 PM jym: oh and squeeky cheese can be fun to eat =)
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: I broke (deeply scored) a carbide spot drill when it hit the remains of a cobalt bit
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: guess it was going too fast
02:26 PM jym: CaptHindsight: try to fix broken bit?
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: only happens on sunday when everything is closed
02:26 PM jym: Amazon drone delivery?
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: had 0.1 inches to go on a 5mm hole
02:27 PM jym: ouch
02:27 PM jym: Tom_L: https://i.imgur.com/yWKZcou.jpg Those suckers are HUGE
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: so had the drill bit break, carbide spot drill and end mill
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: so $60 mistake
02:28 PM CaptHindsight: jym: those the house buddies?
02:29 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Yard buddies, and I found out they only come out after dark
02:29 PM jym: they actually ran away from the flashlight
02:29 PM roycroft: i just heard from my mechanic
02:30 PM roycroft: he could not source any braided brake lines for my van
02:30 PM roycroft: so i guess that's out
02:30 PM jym: summit racing doens't have them roycroft?
02:30 PM roycroft: probably not for a chevy cargo van
02:30 PM roycroft: for 'vettes, sure
02:30 PM jym: You might be surprised
02:30 PM roycroft: i need this vehicle back today
02:31 PM jym: roycroft: check ebay, suriously
02:31 PM roycroft: so he was somewhat limited in his vendor choices
02:31 PM roycroft: i did check ebay last night and did not find any for my van
02:31 PM jym: roycroft: I thought you said it's been parked for years?
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: lucky you
02:31 PM roycroft: i use it once/year
02:31 PM roycroft: this is the time of year :)
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: rockauto.com?
02:31 PM jym: oh heh
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: not today but next week
02:32 PM roycroft: i could potentially wait a couple days yet
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: right now, can be difficult at times
02:32 PM roycroft: my absolute drop-dead deadline is tuesday of next week
02:32 PM CaptHindsight: plan your breakdown better :)
02:32 PM jym: uhual van rental
02:32 PM roycroft: but 1. i'm paying double insurance right now (i keep either my pickup or my van on the insurance, but usually never both)
02:32 PM roycroft: 2. my mechanic gets "distracted" with other jobs quite easily
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: kids get sick Saturday late afternoon
02:33 PM roycroft: that plus the 4th of july holiday (and he'll probably not be working on friday) means my realistic deadline is tomorrow at the latest
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: or the day before a vacation flight
02:33 PM roycroft: jym: i don't want to rent a van because it may get damaged
02:34 PM roycroft: there are over 300 craft booths and over 150 food booths at the fair
02:34 PM roycroft: and every one of them will be packing in on the same day
02:34 PM roycroft: trying to drive through narrow paths in the woods
02:34 PM roycroft: people will be traveling those same paths with carts and wheelbarrows
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: lots of stuck VW buses :)
02:35 PM roycroft: there is a very good chance that my vehicle will at least get scratched
02:35 PM Rab: roycroft, why braided?
02:35 PM roycroft: so i don't think a rental vehicle is wise
02:35 PM roycroft: rab: rats chewed through all four brake lines
02:35 PM Rab: ooh
02:36 PM roycroft: braided lines would dissuade them from a repeat performance
02:36 PM roycroft: or at least slow them down
02:36 PM roycroft: the moth ball idea might work out though
02:36 PM roycroft: cheap and easy
02:37 PM Rab: Slip lengths of flexible metallic conduit over the regular $15 brake lines? :P
02:39 PM roycroft: i'm thinking about doing a few needed repairs to the van, installing a trailer hitch on it, and then selling my pickup and using the van more regularly
02:40 PM roycroft: one of the main reasons i use my pickup regularly vs the van is that i can't easily get loads of compost/gravel etc. in the van
02:40 PM roycroft: they won't load it
02:40 PM roycroft: so if i need a yard of gravel they'll dump it on the ground behind the van, i shovel it in, go home, and shovel it back out
02:40 PM roycroft: that's not gonna happen
02:40 PM roycroft: but i could get a trailer and have them load into the trailer
02:41 PM roycroft: and, living in oregon, it's nice to have one's hauling vehicle have a roof, since it rains so much here
02:41 PM roycroft: so the van makes more sense for everything but that one application
02:41 PM roycroft: if i drive it regularly it will be less likely to be attacked by critters
02:41 PM jym: roycroft: or a trailer you cna simply cover and no insurance needed, and lower to the gorund
02:41 PM jym: it's lower to the ground*
02:42 PM jym: and no brake lines
02:42 PM roycroft: but i still need something to haul the trailer
02:42 PM roycroft: my prius can't do that
02:42 PM jym: I thought you aid you have a pickup?
02:42 PM roycroft: yes, i'm thinking of selling the pickup
02:42 PM jym: said*
02:42 PM jym: and the van?
02:42 PM roycroft: no
02:42 PM roycroft: sell the pickup, keep the van, put a hitch on the van, and get a trailer
02:43 PM jym: and are yu sure the prius cant pull a trailer, I've seen hitches for them
02:43 PM roycroft: toyota specifically say that one should not put a hitch on a prius
02:43 PM jym: ah
02:43 PM roycroft: i'm not going to try to haul a ton and a half with a prius anyway, even if i could
02:44 PM roycroft: and i haul timber and sheet goods all the time
02:44 PM roycroft: the van is ideal for that
02:44 PM roycroft: the pickup is tolerable for that
02:44 PM syyl: trailer is a good solution
02:44 PM roycroft: besides
02:44 PM roycroft: the bed in my pickup is 6' long
02:44 PM syyl: you are not stuck with an open toped vehicle ;)
02:44 PM roycroft: metal comes in 10' lengths
02:45 PM roycroft: i can fit a 10' stick of metal in my van - it has bucket seats and a gap in between them
02:45 PM roycroft: yes, syyl, the van + trailer gives me the advantages of both a covered and uncovered vehicle
02:45 PM roycroft: plus it lets me remove a vehicle from my inventory
02:46 PM syyl: i just had a hitch mounted on my car
02:46 PM syyl: as my dad got a new one and didnt want to tow a trailer anymore
03:38 PM Deejay: gn8
03:38 PM Tom_L: jym we have those around here too but the ones i'm after are smaller
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: wahhh wwaaahhh metal supermarkers doesn't give you the weight of the pieces anymore
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: alro.com still does
03:46 PM jym: Tom_L: Ah, yeah, the honey cyrup has been working good, how about you?
03:46 PM jym: syrup*
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: jym: the ants in that pic are what 6" long?
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: and drive motorcycles
03:48 PM Tom_L: jym haven't checked yet today
03:48 PM jym: CaptHindsight: just over half inch
03:48 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight they have fangs too
03:49 PM XXCoder: vampire ants!
03:49 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I'm debating grabbing mt maul and breaking apart that rotten sump they've made a nest in
03:49 PM Tom_L: http://www.bluebird-electric.net/artificial_intelligence_autonomous_robotics/Robots_Hexapods_Insects_Animatronics/Robots_Pictures_Hexapods_Soldiers/ant-jaws-woods-mandibles-teeth.jpg
03:49 PM Tom_L: that looks down right wicked
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: the recent inspection outside Chernobyl shows that radiation keep them down
03:50 PM Tom_L: is that what we use for bug spray now?
03:50 PM jym: CaptHindsight: but roach population increased 1000x
03:51 PM CaptHindsight: effected the bacteria, molds etc as well, fallen trees decay much more slowly
03:51 PM * jym is on a rant... REALLY?! $128 "Hurricane survival kit" WTF?! Is the disposable razor so I can shave my butt and kiss my ass goodbye???? https://propacusa.com/product/hurricane-survival-kit/,
03:52 PM XXCoder: i can get that together for less than half price im pretty sure
03:52 PM Tom_L: mark it up and sell it for 10c less and make a profit
03:52 PM jym: XXCoder: the dman flashlight isn't even waterproof, huricane, water, hellllloooo
03:52 PM XXCoder: indeed
03:53 PM Tom_L: jym would bite
03:53 PM jym: Tom_L: ..maybe the seller,
03:53 PM Tom_L: jym how much of that honey mix did you spread around?
03:54 PM jym: The onlt thing I see in there thats worthwhile is the bucket and the gas shutoff wrnech
03:54 PM XXCoder: can get bigger one for 5 bucks
03:54 PM XXCoder: wrench thingy maybe aviliable at aliexpress lol
03:54 PM jym: Tom_L: I placed in throwaway containers and whereever I saw activity
03:55 PM Tom_L: mmm i just spread it on the ground around the activity
03:55 PM jym: Tom_L: No, I put like 1/4" in a contianer, then drilled a 1/2" hole in the side
03:55 PM jym: see pic I posted last
03:56 PM jym: https://i.imgur.com/yWKZcou.jpg
03:56 PM jym: Tom_L: I wanted it animal/water proof
03:56 PM Tom_L: poked a hole in the side?
03:57 PM jym: Yeah, half inch worked for me
03:57 PM Tom_L: it may just fill up with ants
03:57 PM jym: it will, then throw it away and grab another
03:57 PM jym: but you want them to take it back to the nest
03:57 PM jym: not watered down or absorbed into the soil
03:57 PM Tom_L: k
03:58 PM jym: Even 16 ounce water bottle will work
03:58 PM jym: Tom_L: I only filled each one like 1/4"
04:02 PM Tom_L: it must be doing something because there aren't near as many as there were
04:07 PM jym: Tom_L: https://imgur.com/a/goKVA15
04:09 PM jym: Tom_L: just took those photos, and the piss ants are active around and inside the contianer
06:03 PM jthornton: damn got invaded by tobacco horn worms, picked 18 from the raised bed planter
06:03 PM jthornton: s
06:04 PM Tom_L: all the extra moisture this year?
06:05 PM jthornton: they are moths so you get some moths that lay eggs on the under side of the leaves then the next thing you know your plants are stripped to nothing
06:06 PM jthornton: I was lucky to see a tomato half eaten while spraying
06:06 PM Tom_L: https://www.foxnews.com/world/freak-hailstorm-in-mexico-buries-cars-swamps-streets-in-feet-of-ice
06:07 PM jthornton: dang
06:07 PM Tom_L: heh
06:08 PM Tom_L: it must have been small hail or the cars would be beat to crap
06:11 PM Tom_L: my neighbor used to tell me to plant radishes around my tomatoe plants to help with critters
06:12 PM Tom_L: i dunno if it helped but i did it
06:12 PM jthornton: I wonder what that does or is supposed to do? You can't even find a blade of grass under my tomatoes lol
06:12 PM Tom_L: not sure
06:14 PM Tom_L: https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/vegetables/radish/radish-companion-plants.htm
06:15 PM roycroft: i don't know about critter control, but tomatos are planted late and radishes very early
06:15 PM roycroft: and radishes are harvested early
06:15 PM roycroft: so they work together well that way
06:15 PM roycroft: garlic is a good companion plant for tomatos
06:16 PM roycroft: aliums in general
06:17 PM roycroft: i used to plant basil by my tomatoes, just because i used them together a lot
06:17 PM roycroft: one stop harvesting, if you will
06:18 PM jthornton: sounds nice, I think I overloaded the raised beds again this year
06:19 PM Tom_L: i know she used to wrap the stems of the tomatoe plants at the ground level with newspaper to keep grubs from chewing them
06:19 PM roycroft: slugs are the problem here
06:19 PM roycroft: and what i would do about them is get them drunk
06:20 PM jthornton: we have a few slugs but not many
06:20 PM roycroft: i'd get a package of tart tins - the ones about 10cm in diameter
06:20 PM Tom_L: they don't care much for salt
06:20 PM roycroft: fill one about 1/2 full of beer
06:20 PM jthornton: my neighbor has japanese beetles at the moment
06:20 PM roycroft: stick three toothpicks, evenly spaced, in the rim
06:20 PM roycroft: and attach another one, upside down, on top
06:20 PM roycroft: that kept the beer from evaporating
06:20 PM roycroft: and boiling
06:21 PM roycroft: i'd set that down on the ground, buried up to the rim
06:21 PM roycroft: and every couple days empty the beer and dead slugs out
07:12 PM andypugh: CNC gardening anyone? https://farm.bot
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: same story from an actual news source https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48821306
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: "Mexico hail: Ice 1.5m thick carpets Guadalajara"
07:16 PM Tom_L: posted that earlier
07:17 PM CaptHindsight: :) but yours was a link to Fox
07:17 PM Tom_L: meh
07:25 PM jym: jthornton: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Monterey-B-T-Bacillus-Thuringiensis-Pint-Concentrate-Outdoor-Organic-Insecticide-LG6332/206211430
07:29 PM jym: jthornton: tsp of dish soap, tsp of caynne pepper, 2 cups of water in a spray bottle, spray tops and bottomf od leaves
07:30 PM jym: jthornton: Just read that, sounds like soapicide in a way
10:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/u1MwwZa while tired I drilled and tapped the mounting holes for the rails....
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: checked the data sheet for the dia of the rail mounting holes and it has 6mm..
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: like a dope i drill and tap for 6mm, forgetting that 5mm fasterns should be used
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: as fortune would have it the heads are only .3mm to large for the holes in the rails and afer a few minutes on the tool post grinder i have matching 6mm socket cap screws
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: rail to rail parallelism is so close that i don't need the play around the mounting holes
10:15 PM Tom_L: heh
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: 40 year old Matsuura with worn spindle bearings
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: why can't the Chinese make parts 1/2 as close?
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.automation-overstock.com/categories.asp?cat=204 about 1/2 the price of Hiwin
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: supposedly 100% compatible
11:01 PM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/xisLttEKIrs
11:03 PM Tom_L: did you get adaptive feed fine tuned?
11:04 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: no.. not gotten back to it. have some oring groves i want to mill on this thing
11:05 PM jym: skunkworks: Green machine $100... tooling, mods, and accessories $40,000... PRICELESS!!!
11:05 PM jym: =)
11:05 PM skunkworks: some people have boats...
11:06 PM Tom_L: boreing
11:11 PM jym: skunkworks: BOAT == Buck Out Another Thousand