#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 25 2019

02:24 AM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: wella asa you know dah waterat5 >100C is notta dah water, it isa dah steema
02:28 AM CaptHindsight: steemah also works forah dah anodize sealing
02:30 AM CaptHindsight: decipher is found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhHhXukovMU
02:38 AM pingufan: Hello. I want to show a message in axis 2.5.2. I knw how to let a message pop up, but during the milling job this comulates to a pile of messages. -> Nasty. Can I display somehow/somewhere one message and update its content?
02:55 AM CaptHindsight: pingufan: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/21-axis/16859-is-there-a-way-to-print-a-message-to-axis
03:15 AM pingufan: Thank you.
03:16 AM pingufan: Can I remove/close all message popups of lower-right corner by a Gcode command?
03:30 AM pingufan: What is the Keyboard hotkey to continue the job paused by M1 ?
03:32 AM pingufan: AXIS 2.5.2. I remember that - whatever I tried - the job was either terminated or restarted.
04:17 AM XXCoder: pingufan: ugh yeah had that issue. dont think I ever resolved.
04:17 AM XXCoder: maybe its in menus
04:17 AM XXCoder: resume?
04:17 AM pingufan: The button click works.
04:18 AM XXCoder: on play button?
04:18 AM pingufan: Anyway. I will have to do that 320 times and then the job is done.
04:18 AM pingufan: Pause button (to release it)
04:18 AM XXCoder: dang crazy. 320 parts or many stops?
04:18 AM XXCoder: or combo thereof? heh
04:18 AM pingufan: 320 parts.
04:18 AM pingufan: I will survive that.
04:19 AM pingufan: Do you have an idea on how to drastically speed up VNC access to the CNC mill? I get an update every 5 seconds in best case.
04:20 AM XXCoder: no idea unfortunately
04:20 AM XXCoder: 320 heh my records 750
04:20 AM XXCoder: single day
04:21 AM pingufan: I do not stand besides the CNC mill where alst a dyson vacuum is running, and a compressor. So I watch the mill from distance (through vnc on AXIS)
04:21 AM XXCoder: but worse was 660, it was on lathe, and single part a time
04:21 AM XXCoder: ahh yeah hmm
04:21 AM XXCoder: maybe just avoid sharing computer for lnuxcnc and video
04:21 AM pingufan: Do you have a CNC lathe?
04:21 AM XXCoder: use raspi connected
04:22 AM XXCoder: nah was at work
04:22 AM XXCoder: my home machine is cnc roputer small one
04:22 AM pingufan: Mine is also a small router.
04:22 AM XXCoder: nice. router seem to be easiest to get lol
04:24 AM pingufan: Mine is a "Gravograph VX". I converted the engraving machine into a high precision router (new electronics, spindle, magnetic valves for coolant, ... vacuum)
04:25 AM XXCoder: way fancier than mine
04:25 AM pingufan: Works nice. But PM could be higher, it only does 14000 rpm. A bit low for �1mm endmills.
04:27 AM XXCoder: mines chineseium spindle so can do 24k rpm
04:27 AM XXCoder: machine is 3040 something chinese frame
04:29 AM pingufan: This would be nice, but I only have �35mm for the spindle shaft and not more than 65 mm above.
04:30 AM pingufan: Anyway... It is double stage belt driven now and it works.
04:31 AM pingufan: What I plan to do is replacing the spindle by a self made one (C8-ER11A-150L). It has smaller bearings and so the bearings will be cooler. Then I can play with 2nd stage belt
04:33 AM pingufan: The current bearings ate inner diameter 16mm. This is brutal speed for them.
04:33 AM XXCoder: nice
04:35 AM pingufan: Some time ago I thought about converting my mini lathe (EMCO Unimat SL) into a CNC lathe, but it is not worth to do it. It is so small+weak+unprecise...
04:35 AM pingufan: Also without indexing it cannut cut threads...
04:36 AM pingufan: But sometimes I would need a CNC lathe. So it would be great to know someone who could do such things for me then.
04:37 AM pingufan: Of course, best would be when he is located in Austria or Germany.
04:39 AM pingufan: because of distance (shipping)
04:40 AM XXCoder: cant use say encoder?
04:40 AM XXCoder: that combined with special tap attachment that allows tap to move down and up a little sjhould work
04:40 AM pingufan: And this really works? What does a small encoder cost?
04:40 AM XXCoder: dunno if your machine can use those special holders tho
04:41 AM XXCoder: i went super cheap with magnet sensor, 1 khz sensor
04:41 AM XXCoder: that would tell your machine that true spindle speed would be
04:42 AM pingufan: But it also needs to know the angular position, no? Otherwise it cannot cut a thread.
04:42 AM pingufan: Also the speed heavily varies between free run and load-run
04:43 AM pingufan: It uses a 90W sewing machine motor only, with 3-stage belt gear.
04:44 AM XXCoder: never tested tapping with it
04:45 AM XXCoder: my machine had to be stowed away when I moved. still stowed away due to no room
04:46 AM pingufan: What size was/is it?
04:47 AM XXCoder: 3040 is kinda a hint ;) 30cm by 40 cm
04:47 AM XXCoder: but even with that small machine, no room :(
04:48 AM XXCoder: im figuring where to put my obsidian 3d printer once it evenually arrives
04:54 AM Tom_L: morning
04:54 AM XXCoder: hey
04:55 AM pingufan: Do you have pictures of it?
04:56 AM Tom_L: jthornton, you happen to remember the link to that git quick reference page?
04:57 AM pingufan: Would like to see how you built your encoder, etc...
04:59 AM pingufan: How fast must the linuxcnc computer be for a lathe? I imagine that such encoder will generate lots of pulses at 2000 rpm.
05:00 AM XXCoder: theres way to handle that without HUGE amount of INTs.
05:00 AM XXCoder: have some single board pc process that and just output speed to linuxcnc pc
05:00 AM pingufan: To detect also manual rotation of the chuck, will I need two gears where the teeth of one are oriented to the gaps of the other gear?
05:01 AM pingufan: I can't imagine a different way of doing that.
05:01 AM pingufan: Will then generate a signal similar to a rotary pushbutton.
05:02 AM XXCoder: not too sure I only rarely run a lathe, and only as operator and not setup, let alone builder on it :)
05:25 AM Loetmichel: a lathe with "software gears" for the spindle/leadscrew is better off with using a Mesa card than doing it with LPT
05:25 AM Loetmichel: those pulses are a bit much for software counters
05:26 AM XXCoder: yay the expert is in
05:26 AM jthornton: morning
05:26 AM pingufan: I also thought that. Handling >200000 ips is really heavy.
05:27 AM pingufan: Especially because I have to do it twice (two sensor gears)
05:32 AM jthornton: Tom_L: I don't even remember the page lol
06:17 AM pingufan: Where can I find x11vnc for this old Ubuntu 8.x ? I hope it is faster than that what I see now on the gnome desktop...
06:44 AM pingufan: It is a nightmare what gnome does. It repeatedly pauses vnc service and I cannot see the screen remotely.
06:46 AM pingufan: Is it possible to download required packages and install manually?
06:52 AM pingufan: Loetmichel: Is it easily possible to install one of the latest linuxcnc versions on openSUSE (Leap) ?
06:53 AM pingufan: Loetmichel: Does it require explicitely a RT kernel? I was told that new kernels are doing it a bit differently.
06:55 AM pingufan: My plan is to switch to a AMD A10 based board (Mini-ITX size), then I have true 64 bit and four cores for low money. This boards usually have only one PCIe socket, there I need to insert a LPT card. So graphics in integrated, LAN is integrated, ...
06:56 AM pingufan: But I really dislike any sort of Debian. I prefer SuSE.
07:04 AM Loetmichel: pingufan: actually: i have no idea, i always installed it from the live CD (debian)
07:04 AM pingufan: Is the hardware I plan to use good or bad?
07:05 AM Loetmichel: but i belive it NEEDS the realtime kernel, not only for LPT use but also to have the servo thread running correctly (even with a mesa card)
07:05 AM pingufan: As it is the only debian, I can live with this debian crap, too.
07:05 AM Loetmichel: hmm, cant say that i have problems with that: my machine runs fine remotely
07:06 AM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_ChO1AKYY
07:06 AM Loetmichel: (caution, second part is loud)
07:06 AM pingufan: My current machine is a VIA C7, 32 bit, 1-core, 1800 MHz. It works, but sometimes it displays a rTAPI error (but still works)
07:06 AM Loetmichel: and that LinuxCNC computer is only a core2duo 2,8ghz IIRC
07:06 AM Loetmichel: and only 4gb of ram
07:07 AM Loetmichel: yeah, a single core is a bit thin
07:07 AM pingufan: Well, I'd like to have the same display speed from remote. :)
07:07 AM Loetmichel: expecially if you do VNC
07:08 AM Loetmichel: also the VIA chips are really bad in mips/mhz
07:08 AM pingufan: Indeed.
07:08 AM Loetmichel: so its even slower
07:08 AM pingufan: Can I copy the entire ~/linuxcnc tree to a new PC and my cnc is configured?
07:09 AM Loetmichel: i would recommend at LEAST a dualcore Intel with 2,5ghz or up for the recent linuxCNC versions
07:09 AM Loetmichel: you should be able to just copy the machine confing
07:09 AM Loetmichel: that should be that
07:10 AM Loetmichel: the "my machine" file that stepconf wizard generates
07:10 AM pingufan: What's about the new versions of linuxcnc compared to my old AXIS 2.5.2? Configs still working on new one?
07:10 AM Loetmichel: and then run the stepconf wizard again on the new PC
07:11 AM Loetmichel: that SHOULD take care of any inconsistencys
07:13 AM pingufan: Is this new linuxcnc 32 or 64 bit?
07:15 AM pingufan: Also: I war very surprised that my ancient 2.5.2 didn't support a 5 TByte NFS chare. It showed nothing, not even one cnc job. I finally moved the share to a different export (a smaller one), then it worked again. Hope this is not happening again on new linuxcnc?
07:17 AM pingufan: I will also use a very small SSD on the new computer (to make it fully shock resistant. Something with 32GB or even less.
07:18 AM Loetmichel: mo idea
07:18 AM Loetmichel: cant get my linuxCNC machine see ANY shares here in the company
07:18 AM Loetmichel: all windows shares though
07:19 AM * Loetmichel uses sneakernet for the gcode files
07:20 AM pingufan: Therefore I prefer openSuSE so strongly. It simply works.
07:20 AM pingufan: But I can show you how my exports file looks, and the cnc's fstab.
07:21 AM pingufan: This is my /etc/exports: /srv/rainer/emc2-jobs *(rw,async,no_subtree_check)
07:22 AM Loetmichel: imho the last good suse version was 7.3, but thats just personla preference i guess
07:23 AM Loetmichel: as i said: no idea about that, i have not enough linux experience to be of any help there
07:24 AM pingufan: And this how I mount it: goliath:/srv/rainer /goliath/rainer nfs rw,user,auto,exec 0 0
07:24 AM pingufan: I wanted to help you.
07:25 AM pingufan: But it seems that at least AXIS 2.5.2 has massive problems when browsing high-volume shares.
07:35 AM jthornton: what do you expect from libraries that were created before massive shares were even invented?
07:36 AM pingufan: That they work. :D
07:37 AM pingufan: Even when I use good olf FreePascal 2.4 on Linux, I can do a findfirst/Findnext in such huge shares and I have not the smallest issue.
07:53 AM JT-Shop: then you need to write a gui using that...
07:54 AM pingufan: Developers simply should look carefully on what libs they use. ;)
07:54 AM JT-Shop: no matter how much kindergarden logic you use no one is going to change axis unles you do it
07:54 AM JT-Shop: I'm sure they did when they wrote it 15 years ago...
07:55 AM pingufan: How is the current version of linuxcnc ?
07:55 AM pingufan: It is written with different libs, so is this problem gone now?
07:55 AM JT-Shop: the current version of linuxcnc is 2.8
07:56 AM JT-Shop: I doubt it because axis is still the same and still uses tkinter
07:56 AM pingufan: What has changed in new version then?
07:57 AM JT-Shop: lot's of changes to trajectory planner, motion and many other changes like gantry homing and joints vs axes
07:58 AM pingufan: Ok. Is it now 64 bit or 32 bit (as before)?
07:58 AM JT-Shop: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/debian/changelog
07:58 AM JT-Shop: either one works
07:59 AM JT-Shop: except for some of the qt gui's require 64bit
07:59 AM pingufan: So look&feel is the same?
08:00 AM JT-Shop: of axis and tkinter yes
08:01 AM pingufan: And it is still based on GNOME desktop? (The ISO)
08:02 AM JT-Shop: no, the iso is not gnome, I forget what it is I don't use the iso
08:04 AM pingufan: I must say that this ISO based on Ubuntu 8.04 with its crazy gnome was the worst experience I ever had. I needed hours to configure it as I need.
08:05 AM pingufan: Is the entire linuxcnc one .deb package? Could it also be installed i.e. on SuSE (rpm based)?
08:06 AM pingufan: I will try it in a virtual machine before touching/changing anything on my existing cnc.
08:10 AM pingufan: If there is no noticable advantage for me, I will possibly stay on my old ISO. New ISOs need new hardware (in my case), this would be then wasting money only only.
09:14 AM Loetmichel: BTW: i had a dozen martens prints on my cars hood and windhield this morning. so far everything still works... but i doubt it will stay that way... Why me?
09:20 AM JT-Shop: because they love you
09:34 AM Deejay: hi
09:35 AM pcw_home: I don't think even 1TB drives were even available in 2008 when Ubuntu 8.04 came out
09:40 AM sync: pingufan: how is using current hardware wasting money, using a >10 year old system is not worth it anymore
09:42 AM FinboySlick: pcw_home: 1TB were available but at the top of the scale.
09:43 AM Elmo40: it's only money...
09:55 AM jthornton: maybe he needs to try the BDI
10:11 AM JT-Shop: yea the last blank is in the VMC
10:27 AM jym: Morning folks...
10:28 AM jym: Fire from cottonball and wood ashes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YP8LGyIkXI
10:37 AM CaptHindsight: Gnome from 10 years ago was just getting very useable...
10:38 AM CaptHindsight: it was that jump to 3.0 when they went nuts
10:40 AM FinboySlick: CaptHindsight: I suspect some sort of solar flare happened around that time that made the entire world crazy. It's impressive the amount of software projects that completely abandoned any semblance of concern for productivity and user choice.
10:40 AM FinboySlick: All around the same time.
10:41 AM FinboySlick: Maybe a wave of web developpers trying to recycle themselves as software devs after the crash.
10:42 AM mozmck: that's probably it. everyone thinks javascript is a language now
10:44 AM mozmck: And if you don't write it in javascript it isn't "modern", and you won't find any developers that can help ;-)
10:45 AM net|: are there any places that will give you equipment on a payback program for production machines ?
10:45 AM net|: or even a lease
10:45 AM net|: loan rather
10:45 AM net|: would like some brick making machines
10:47 AM net|: 40 dollars a month should be easy for a producer
10:47 AM net|: 140
10:47 AM jym: net|: Your two hands and a trash can = brick making machine (organic certified =)
10:48 AM net|: i want one of them extruding brick makers with auger compresser
10:48 AM CaptHindsight: FinboySlick: it was the shift from laptops and desktops to stupidphones
10:50 AM CaptHindsight: everything needed an "app" and lots of projects wanted to get a piece of that market and tablets
10:52 AM CaptHindsight: I recall looking for programmers 20-30 years ago and people thought Excel was a language
10:52 AM jym: net|: Making you can get ideas to make your own from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jws687nJaUE
10:52 AM CaptHindsight: jym: just get a cow
10:53 AM jym: CaptHindsight: hay in, brick out?
10:53 AM CaptHindsight: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Tibet-5874_-_Something_smells_here%21_%282212605065%29.jpg
10:54 AM jym: mozmck JS *IS* a language (now), used to be just scripting, but not any more
10:54 AM CaptHindsight: these are union cows, one working, one supervising
10:55 AM CaptHindsight: if they were a city crew there would be 5 more supervising
10:56 AM jym: net|: what kind of bricks are you attempting to create?
10:57 AM jym: CaptHindsight: excell a language?! how would they even think that?!!!
11:00 AM CaptHindsight: jym: well they write Excel "programs" using it
11:02 AM jym: CaptHindsight: They couldn't distinguish a script/macro from a "program"?
11:12 AM net|: on alibaba there are extruding brick machines as low as 2500
11:13 AM CaptHindsight: net|: how much does a reliable one cost?
11:14 AM net|: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Small-Brick-Making-Machine-Clay-brick_360144171.html seen this one, still looking though
11:16 AM net|: the bricks look small though
11:16 AM net|: hook it upto a hybrid electric car
11:17 AM net|: 11kw or 15 hp would be easy to get on demand ?
11:18 AM net|: nm yes
11:25 AM Jymm: lol, that page locked up the machine hard
11:28 AM Jymm: net|: could you repost that link?
11:49 AM net|: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Small-Brick-Making-Machine-Clay-brick_360144171.html
11:50 AM net|: every town should have one or 2 of those for community to use too bad its only summer work :)
11:51 AM net|: looks like its still in need of a cnc stacker system
11:51 AM sync: you still need a place with clay
11:52 AM net|: clay is easy to find, even the thick green stuff can be broken up good
11:54 AM Jymm: net|: watch the video for the stacker system... https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Automatic-Logo-Clay-Brick-Making-Machine_60775559483.html
11:54 AM Jymm: net|: where are you from (country)? and what kind/type or bricks are you wanting to make?
11:55 AM sync: brick grade clay is not easy to come by
11:55 AM net|: in the winter a dirt wamer could probably be installed on the extruder to make everything good.
11:56 AM net|: sync you can use soil stabilizer like lime for that
11:56 AM net|: even garden dirt would work
11:58 AM sync: then you have to have access to lime
11:58 AM net|: or a bit of cement mix with extra lime
11:59 AM net|: it has S on the mix
12:56 PM Joe_Hildreth: Wow, things look different using web interface.
12:57 PM Joe_Hildreth: I need a sanity check. G-Code M3 with an S code >0 will cause motion.spindle-froward to go high, correct?
01:13 PM cradek: yes
01:26 PM Joe_Hildreth: cradek, thank you.
01:29 PM net|: http://www.solarcities.eu/content/how-long-does-it-take-and-how-much-gas-can-you-get
01:34 PM Jymm: net|: bio gas fired brick kiln?
01:38 PM net|: sounds like a good plan was thinking of running a hottub with it
01:38 PM net|: might try compost heating too
01:40 PM Jymm: Might be better with woodgas than biosgas, but couldn't say for sure
01:40 PM net|: can get lots of cow dung if i can come up with a way to get it out of them when they go for water
01:40 PM net|: maybe scare them a bit
01:41 PM Jymm: Just used the field dried dung pods as fuel, and burn directly
01:42 PM net|: maybe if i had a robot
01:43 PM net|: call it the dung beatle 5000
01:44 PM net|: collect and turn into dried pellets
01:45 PM net|: not sure it would have more btu than regular dried grass though
01:46 PM net|: more efficient turning it into gas
01:48 PM net|: for someone running a restaurant could make alot of gas.
01:50 PM net|: turn what you can into dogfood and the rest like old bread and things go into digester.
01:50 PM andypugh: Some nice stuff here: https://www.apexauctions.co.uk/auction/auctionDetails/3397?fbclid=IwAR1zAAEsLFzBpdGYwa-EjV3M1HPPlv1CuCmfgpSzImHsS8KTdB6CuQvcXpM
01:52 PM * net| wonders if liquid methane is easy to make
01:53 PM net|: https://sciencing.com/compress-methane-gas-liquid-7398367.html cryogenic freezing at -150 C
01:56 PM net|: propane bottles might not work then
03:03 PM Deejay: gn8
03:35 PM Tom_L: andypugh how much of that is gonna end up in your living room?
03:36 PM andypugh: I am resisting
03:36 PM andypugh: (Heroically)
03:36 PM * Tom_L doesn't really believe that
03:37 PM XXCoder: yo
03:37 PM Tom_L: i'm wondering what that mitsutoyo vision probe is
03:37 PM Tom_L: lot 110
03:37 PM XXCoder: 6 axis robot whoo
03:37 PM XXCoder: 150 pounds looks like lol
03:38 PM XXCoder: lol if one wanted one, that price is riciously low
03:41 PM SpeedEvil: It's only cheap because it's killed fourteen people.
03:44 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.apexauctions.co.uk/auction/itemDetails/3397/403743 probably easier to resell and price.
03:44 PM SpeedEvil: And ship
03:44 PM andypugh: I am tempted by some of the large micrometers. But maybe not the 800mm ones
03:44 PM andypugh: There is a ton of HSK and Capto tooling too
03:44 PM SpeedEvil: Wish I was close enough to pick some of this up.
03:44 PM andypugh: I have a friend who is bidding and has offered to collect. But the robot is too big for his car.
03:44 PM andypugh: The Niken rotary is worth more than the robot is going for.
03:46 PM XXCoder: SpeedEvil: lol
03:46 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.apexauctions.co.uk/auction/itemDetails/3397/403972
03:47 PM XXCoder: 1M caliper dang
03:47 PM XXCoder: normally very expensive
03:47 PM SpeedEvil: Page 13 'piles of mics'
03:48 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.apexauctions.co.uk/auction/itemDetails/3397/403965 jesus
03:48 PM * Tom_L clicks to see what jesus looks like
03:48 PM XXCoder: dang that
03:48 PM XXCoder: he looks like lots of half circles
03:49 PM Tom_L: they could just be C clamps too
03:49 PM SpeedEvil: At that price, worth it as clamps.
03:50 PM Tom_L: P12 has more of the same
03:52 PM XXCoder: next item from speed's link is another lot of same
03:52 PM XXCoder: only green
03:52 PM XXCoder: green jesus?
03:52 PM XXCoder: then brown jesus
03:52 PM XXCoder: okay done with that joke. even more mics
03:53 PM XXCoder: oitem 240 interesting. box of misc measuring equipment. looks like junk box
03:53 PM XXCoder: probabky old/retired
03:53 PM cradek:
03:53 PM XXCoder: erm 239
03:54 PM XXCoder: 240 looks slightly better, dial indictors and such
04:15 PM perry_j1987: hi guys
04:15 PM perry_j1987: just got back into town
04:16 PM perry_j1987: went to pickup a proculier tapping head and the guy ended up having all sorts of fun stuff
04:18 PM perry_j1987: i walked away with little more than I was planning on heh
04:24 PM perry_j1987: andypugh you got a new case made for the raspberry pi 4 yet? :P they just released it
04:24 PM perry_j1987: heh
04:26 PM pcw_mesa: Loads of endmills in the 800s Renisha MP3 probe ~330
04:28 PM andypugh: I have an MP3 already, and it’s a bit too big for my machine
05:07 PM roycroft: folks, i'm considering moving to insert tooling for my lathe
05:07 PM roycroft: any pointers/hints/whatever on what i should be looking at?
05:07 PM roycroft: there seems to be such a huge variety of inserts
05:07 PM roycroft: i mostly turn steel - 1018, stainless, and drill rod and the like
05:08 PM roycroft: i'm looking a combination facing/turning tool, internal threading, external threading, chamfering, and boring bar
05:08 PM roycroft: so i'm thinking five insert tool holders
05:08 PM roycroft: i don't think i want an insert parting tool, at least not right away
05:09 PM perry_j1987: inserts break on my lathe on stainless
05:09 PM roycroft: i was just, for example, looking at an external threading tool holder, and it says it takes a60, g60, and ag60 inserts
05:09 PM roycroft: then i looked at a60, g60, and ag60 inserts
05:09 PM roycroft: and they look almost identical, if not identical
05:09 PM roycroft: and the specs i saw on them are identical
05:10 PM roycroft: there are certainly some missing specs, because i'm certain they are not actually identical
05:11 PM roycroft: perry_j1987: machinists all over the world use inserts on stainless steel
05:11 PM perry_j1987: on more capable lathes though :)
05:11 PM roycroft: while i'm not expecting that i'll buy something and it will work perfectly right away
05:11 PM perry_j1987: so if you dont have rigidity just saying they will break
05:11 PM roycroft: and i'm not expecting that i'll not damage any inserts while learning how to use them
05:12 PM roycroft: i do expect that i should be able to find inserts that workf for me
05:12 PM perry_j1987: im sure you have something better than what i have for a lathe though anyhow
05:12 PM roycroft: mine is a 12x36
05:12 PM perry_j1987: i have bottom of the barrel haha
05:12 PM roycroft: not a big, massive machine
05:12 PM perry_j1987: mine is 7x10 hah
05:12 PM roycroft: but big enough that i can do work on it :)
05:12 PM roycroft: oh, you have one of those little hf specials
05:12 PM roycroft: i have one of those too
05:12 PM perry_j1987: ya
05:12 PM roycroft: i need to sell it
05:12 PM roycroft: it's taking up space
05:13 PM perry_j1987: where are you located :P
05:13 PM roycroft: i used it for many years
05:13 PM roycroft: i'm in western oregon
05:13 PM roycroft: i hated it the whole time, but i got some work done with it
05:13 PM roycroft: i put a 14" bed on it
05:13 PM perry_j1987: i've cnc'd this one
05:13 PM roycroft: i got a 4 jaw for it
05:13 PM roycroft: and qctp
05:13 PM roycroft: so it's been upgraded a bit
05:13 PM perry_j1987: steel qctp made big difference
05:14 PM roycroft: imo that's the first thing one gets for a lathe that does not come with one
05:14 PM roycroft: even before a 4 jaw
05:14 PM roycroft: the 0xa is a pretty tiny toolpost though
05:14 PM roycroft: i can see how your machine is probably too flexy for some inserts
05:15 PM perry_j1987: i've been contemplating making a gang tool setup right off the cross slide for it
05:20 PM roycroft: well, i need to go work on our booth at the country fair before the clouds roll in and the sky starts peeing on me
05:24 PM perry_j1987: ok
05:26 PM gloops: well, ill finally get round to giving my router a spin on some brass plate tommorrow
05:26 PM gloops: im hoping i can profile parts from 1mm brass with it
05:29 PM perry_j1987: should be able to
05:29 PM perry_j1987: i've been playing with brass on my 6040
05:29 PM gloops: hows it going with the brass?
05:30 PM perry_j1987: good
05:30 PM perry_j1987: use HSS endmills
05:30 PM perry_j1987: carbide breaks on these wimpy frame machines
05:30 PM gloops: compared to ally? about the same, much harder?
05:31 PM perry_j1987: brass is squeeky metal im finding
05:32 PM gloops: yeah, ive worked with it before, just not on a router heh, i can drop the speed but air cooled spindle starts getting hot if too slow
05:37 PM perry_j1987: aye when i bought mine i got the 2.2kw water cooled spindle for that fact
05:40 PM Jymm: Food tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKQVfheFkok
05:44 PM perry_j1987: next time i get a bar burger and there's a toothpick in it im going to send it back and ask for a real burger
05:44 PM perry_j1987: not fake food
05:46 PM perry_j1987: oh man im going to have too much fun with this new procunier tapping head
05:51 PM Jymm: Is 99% pure Magnesium hard or soft?
05:52 PM Jymm: https://www.ebay.com/itm/99-99-Mg-Magnesium-Metal-Rod-Bar-16mm-x-9cm-for-Light-a-Fire-Outdoors-Survival/401667275223
05:54 PM perry_j1987: hard to scrape filings for fire starting
05:55 PM perry_j1987: hard to control them to fall into a nice little pile to start i mean
05:56 PM Jymm: I've had cheap mg bars, then soft mg bars, easy for scarping period
05:58 PM perry_j1987: i heard some small engine blocks are mag
05:58 PM perry_j1987: was always weary of running into one when i was breaking the blocks up for some backyard metal casting years ago heh
05:58 PM Jymm: old VW block were
06:05 PM perry_j1987: anybody have a procunier #12 collet to sell me :P
06:13 PM perry_j1987: dont everbody jump at once :P
06:16 PM Jymm: $100
06:16 PM Jymm: $200
06:16 PM Jymm: Final offer... $800
06:21 PM perry_j1987: heh
06:21 PM * Jymm has a spent lithium battery he SO wants to vent!!!!
06:22 PM Tom_L: let it all out Jymm
06:23 PM Jymm: Tom_L: Yeah, no area big enough that isn't a fire hazard
06:24 PM Tom_L: build a camp fire
06:24 PM Jymm: I guess I could go over to the fire camp and ask if I can be a pyro
06:24 PM Jymm: They have a HUGE training field
06:24 PM Tom_L: wonder what happens under water
06:25 PM Jymm: If I still had a 55gal steel drum, I could tell you
06:26 PM perry_j1987: there's a square broached hole at the bottom of this collet
06:26 PM * perry_j1987 is contemplating making my own collet for the one im missing
06:27 PM perry_j1987: how much work do you guys think that square part of the tap is doing at these small tap sizes? :P
06:28 PM Tom_L: as much as the rest of it
06:28 PM Tom_L: it's just not as thin
06:29 PM Tom_L: ebay one
06:29 PM andypugh: perry_j1987: There were loads of collets in that auction I linked to earlier
06:29 PM Tom_L: is he in UK though?
06:34 PM Tom_L: andypugh have you heard any updates on the STMBL driver mods?
06:34 PM Tom_L: rev 2 or whatever it would be
06:35 PM andypugh: Not much. I think that there is a prototype working.
06:44 PM sync: Tom_L: it works™
06:45 PM sync: but currently there are more important jobs to finish
06:46 PM Tom_L: just checking to make sure it didn't get shelved
06:46 PM Tom_L: seems like a good driver
06:48 PM sync: well, it's open sores so you are free to roll your own
06:49 PM _unreal_: do you guys think this is ligit or a scam? here is the real https://buildyourcnc.com/Item/electronicsAndMotors-electronic-component-breakout-Mach3-USB-Board
06:49 PM _unreal_: This is the one I'm not sure about https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-USB-MACH3-100Khz-Breakout-Board-4Axis-Interface-Driver-Motion-Controller-New/254246332101?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D58647%26meid%3Da431414bab994d5e99d206e81c6b8edc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D283310621784%26itm%3D254246332101&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
06:53 PM _unreal_: ?
06:54 PM andypugh: _unreal_: Mach3? Don’t really care :-)
06:55 PM _unreal_: this is a hardware question NOT a software question
06:56 PM andypugh: It is and it isn’t. It is ahrdware that won’t work with LinuxCNC
06:57 PM andypugh: The URL on the board takes you to a redirect and that takes you here: https://shop110839059.world.taobao.com
06:57 PM andypugh: 235 Yuan is $30
06:57 PM jthornton: tossed the drive belt on the Spyder about 4pm just wrapping up the rescue mission and what a place to break down a busy 4 lane highway during rush hour
06:57 PM andypugh: Yikes
06:58 PM jthornton: there was just enough shoulder to have the trailer off the highway
06:58 PM Tom_L: jthornton, you seem to find all the good places to break down
06:58 PM Tom_L: wasn't the last one on a bridge?
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: drive belt just for accessories?
06:59 PM Jymm: spyder trailer?
06:59 PM jthornton: yea like blowing up the engine on the I-310 bridge while under construction so no shoulders and only 3 total lanes
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: not interference engine hopefully
06:59 PM jthornton: no the drive belt that turns the rear wheel
07:00 PM Tom_L: don't drink bottled water. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/bottled-water-brand-found-have-high-levels-arsenic-pulled-stores-n1020991
07:01 PM CaptHindsight: stick with Brawndo
07:01 PM jthornton: water from mexico...
07:02 PM Jymm: sold at target and walmart
07:02 PM andypugh: Are you awae of the story of Dasani (Coca Cola-branded tap water) in the UK?
07:02 PM Tom_L: you already know better than to drink the water down there :)
07:02 PM andypugh: First they advertised it as “bottled spunk” and that really only means one thing in the UK
07:02 PM * Jymm hugs his sawyer water filter =)
07:03 PM Jymm: andypugh: LMAO
07:03 PM CaptHindsight: I get my bottled water from Poland
07:03 PM andypugh: And then it turned out that their process was adding (I think) Benzene to water that was perfectly safe to drink as delivered through the tap by the water company.
07:03 PM Jymm: andypugh: that only means one thing everywhere =)
07:04 PM andypugh: Jymm, well, to an extent you can have a superhoro with a “spunky sidekick” and not necessarily assume they are covered in semen in US english, I believe.
07:04 PM Jymm: andypugh: Oh gawd, that's exactly why after the wildfire there is no water.... the plastic water mains have all leeched out benzene
07:05 PM _unreal_: which link?
07:05 PM _unreal_: I linked EBAY
07:05 PM Jymm: andypugh: But you dont put your spunky sidekick in a bottle either =)
07:05 PM _unreal_: and build your
07:05 PM andypugh: Here is the full story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK4IhaLwXVc
07:05 PM andypugh: _unreal_: Both links you gave have the same URL on the board.
07:06 PM _unreal_: What
07:06 PM _unreal_: ?
07:06 PM _unreal_: oen link is to an ebay sale, the other is to buildyouridea....
07:06 PM andypugh: bitsensor.com
07:07 PM _unreal_: andypugh, are you talking to me?
07:07 PM andypugh: Yes
07:07 PM _unreal_: or someone else
07:07 PM _unreal_: I dont know what bitsensor.com is
07:07 PM andypugh: It’s the URL on the board
07:08 PM andypugh: (in both photos)
07:08 PM _unreal_: I didnt LINK to a picture
07:08 PM _unreal_: I dont know that the pictures in the EBAY link are real or lifted from some site
07:08 PM _unreal_: or ask info regarding details in a photo
07:09 PM andypugh: I give up.
07:09 PM Tom_L: heh
07:11 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, that was a total WTF...
07:12 PM _unreal_: I asked if anyone could look at 2 links and left me know if they think one of them is a FAKE or not. regarding the hardware for sale.
07:12 PM _unreal_: and he goes off on web links posted on the device in photos from the links I posted...
07:12 PM _unreal_: i'm like WTF.....
07:13 PM Jymm: Bromade, not benzene
07:16 PM Tom_L: _unreal_ this isn't a mach3 channel so take what you get
07:17 PM jthornton: lol
07:18 PM Tom_L: kinda like telling the developers you want a feature in linuxcnc and expecting them to write it in
07:19 PM jthornton: yea lol
07:19 PM Tom_L: diy
07:19 PM jthornton: yup
07:19 PM Jymm: Tom_L: they are way too lazy to do that =)
07:19 PM jthornton: you want something you figure it out
07:19 PM jthornton: sometimes it's fun telling them to DIY
07:19 PM Tom_L: i have made a couple suggestions that made it in but i certainly didn't expect them to jump on it
07:21 PM jthornton: I try to do as much of the work for things I need/want as I can
07:21 PM Tom_L: i don't think i'll ever understand the codebase
07:22 PM jthornton: yea, it's a mess I think... I never could follow Axis but now with QtPyVCP it's easy to get the exact GUI you want/need
07:22 PM Tom_L: and another thing. this new pi 4 thing... they have a long ways to catch up imo. after all iphone, galaxy _AND_ microsoft are all up to rev 10!! geesh
07:23 PM jthornton: lol, while the rpi is behind in numbers now with 4 GB of memory it can run emc
07:23 PM Tom_L: yeah i just thought of that...
07:24 PM Tom_L: i just wish i knew python
07:24 PM jthornton: python is fun
07:25 PM Jymm: Tom_L: pffff Firfox is at v67 =)
07:25 PM Tom_L: i didn't 'grow up' programming oops
07:25 PM pcw_mesa: I think just a more memory stingy backplot (VTK?) would allow the RPI3 to be OK
07:25 PM jthornton: me neither, I grew up splitting firewood with a double blade axe in the Alaska winter lol
07:26 PM Tom_L: only so many hrs in a day...
07:26 PM pcw_mesa: the RPI 3 is ok as long as you dont have a fancy high density profiling backplot
07:26 PM jthornton: yea VTK is much better than gremlin
07:26 PM Jymm: jthornton: wearing your mucklucks?
07:26 PM jthornton: only for hunting
07:26 PM Jymm: jthornton: harpoon ?
07:27 PM jthornton: and it's spelled mukluks
07:27 PM pcw_mesa: I wonder how much of a project it would be to get QTPyVCP running one the RPI
07:28 PM jthornton: that would be an interesting project, I have some rpi3's on my desk down here in the beer cave
07:28 PM jthornton: is building a rt preempt kernel pretty much the same as some of the other flavors of debian?
07:29 PM pcw_mesa: I just use a pre-built kernel
07:29 PM Jymm: pcw_mesa: for arm?
07:29 PM pcw_mesa: (not wanting to wait the days it would take a RPI to compile a kernel)
07:30 PM Jymm: pcw_mesa: Just use your pi cluster to compile
07:30 PM pcw_mesa: I'm hoping the SPI hardware on the RPI4 is the same as the RPI3 so the driver just works
07:31 PM * Tom_L waits for the announcement of a mesa pi4 shield for steppers and servos
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: Rpi4 has integrated Ethernet so Mesa cards should work over UDP
07:33 PM pcw_mesa: Yeah and its likely fast enough
07:33 PM Tom_L: even better
07:33 PM Jymm: The piss ants LOVE HFCS, but the black ants aren't even giving it a second look, anyone know if borax is soluable in fat/bacon grease?
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: <memfrob> Hey everyone, I just got RTAI 5.2 working, no math support yet, but latest 4.14 kernel (4.14.130, posted today) with the latest IPIPE code from Xenomai, would anyone be willing to try the testsuite?
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: <memfrob> https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/tree/for-next
07:40 PM Tom_L: Jymm, https://hubpages.com/living/killing-pesky-ants
07:42 PM Jymm: Tom_L: Yeah, I'm using borax and HFCS (table sugar didn't did crap), but the black ants aren't attacted to the sugar, so using fat, but I'm not finding if it's soluable in fats like some things are
07:44 PM Tom_L: If you suspect that you have grease eating ants, substitute peanut butter, bacon grease, mayo or butter for the sugar and melt it with the borax in a little hot water to see if they will take it.
07:44 PM Jymm: Tom_L: FYI they say in that article 6:1 tsp of sugar to borax, BUT... that is only killing the ants, not giving them time to take it back to the nest, Terro only uses 5% so they have a slow death =)
07:45 PM Jymm: Tom_L: I read it, but I'm making larger batches and rather not have the water content in it
07:45 PM Tom_L: you mixing the sugar mix dry?
07:46 PM Jymm: Tom_L: In that one I used HFCS
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: GMO HIV for ants
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: Jymm: leave out tiny sacks of sugar mixed with borax
07:49 PM CaptHindsight: the ants will carry the small sacks back to the nest and share
07:51 PM Jymm: CaptHindsight: I don't want to kill the wildlife, just the ants.
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: Pyrethroids
07:52 PM CaptHindsight: just enough to attract them
07:52 PM Jymm: Oh I have some hamburger grease in the frig I cna play with !! I forgot about that
07:53 PM Jymm: I hope they like garlic =)
07:54 PM roycroft: i've had pretty good luck with a spray bottle that contains a mixture of dish soap, water, and isopropanol
07:54 PM Jymm: CaptHindsight: Dollar Tree "Honey Syrup" == HFCS + honey
07:54 PM roycroft: it not only kills the ants, it removes the scents they leave to mark their trail
07:54 PM roycroft: it usually takes a while to get rid of them all
07:55 PM Jymm: roycroft: I want to kill the NEST (Queen), not the workers
07:55 PM roycroft: but they do disappear if you're persistent
07:55 PM roycroft: yeah, i get what you're trying to do
07:55 PM Jymm: =)
07:55 PM roycroft: but you also want it to be as non-toxic to oher wildlife as possible
07:56 PM roycroft: if you can find the nest you can kill it pretty easily, of course
07:56 PM Jymm: I'm putting it wildlife proof containers
07:56 PM roycroft: if you don't know where it is though that is harder
07:56 PM roycroft: and i get that you're trying to get the ants to take the death potion home with them
07:57 PM roycroft: that also takes time
07:57 PM roycroft: the spray bottle does an instant kill with no collateral damage if they're eating your food
07:57 PM Jymm: I found the nest, but my HFCD+borax solution 2" from it, and the black ants are not even touching it. The piss ants are going crazy over it though
07:58 PM roycroft: so maybe your method as a strategic maneuver and mine as a tactical weapon combined would do the job
07:59 PM CaptHindsight: plan a party with lots of good ant foods, invite them all over..... and when they are all partying it up, wham
07:59 PM ve7it: Jymm, WHAT IS HFCS? harbour freight cough syrup?
07:59 PM Jymm: I'm good with a slow death =)
07:59 PM Tom_L: high fructose corn syrup
07:59 PM ve7it: ah
07:59 PM ve7it: thanks
07:59 PM CaptHindsight: same thing
08:00 PM roycroft: it is a type of poison that is destroying america
08:00 PM roycroft: it causes a slow death in humans, that's for sure
08:00 PM Jymm: roycroft: If I need instant death, I have bleach for that
08:02 PM roycroft: we-40 in a spray can + a match also does the job quite well if you want instant death :)
08:02 PM roycroft: wd-40
08:02 PM roycroft: there is often collateral damage with that method, however
08:02 PM Jymm: too expensive, but fun when used with a lighter =)
08:04 PM roycroft: speaking of expensive spray cans
08:04 PM roycroft: have any of you used this:
08:04 PM roycroft: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005POGY74/
08:04 PM roycroft: ?
08:05 PM roycroft: i'm thinking of getting one
08:05 PM roycroft: and then perhaps a few more
08:05 PM roycroft: i have an old spray can like that that i got at hf a number of years ago, but it works about as well as one would exepct from an hf product
08:06 PM roycroft: i like the idea
08:06 PM roycroft: i'd love to fill a can like that with acetone or mineral spirts or ethanol and pressurise it to use to clean parts
08:06 PM Jymm: https://www.amazon.com/Vaper-19419-Spray-Non-Aerosol-Sprayer/dp/B0035FH906
08:07 PM roycroft: i don't want the non-aerosol one
08:07 PM roycroft: and i don't mind the price, if it works and it lasts a long time
08:09 PM roycroft: if the thing lasts 10 years, that's $4.50/year, and i'm definitely money ahead vs. using a blue shop towel soaked in solvent to clean a part
08:09 PM roycroft: i promise i go through way more than $4.50/year worth of those blue towels to clean things coming off the lathe or mill
08:09 PM roycroft: $4.50 is two rolls
08:10 PM Jymm: you'll still use up towels
08:10 PM roycroft: but not as many
08:10 PM roycroft: and quite possibly less solvent too
08:10 PM roycroft: because i'd direct the spray blast right on the part
08:11 PM roycroft: whereas now i soak a big setion of a towel, clean the part, then dispose of the towel full of solvent
08:11 PM Jymm: YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT KID
08:11 PM roycroft: yeah, i suppose there's that
08:11 PM roycroft: so add another $400 for a full facial shield with fresh air input
08:11 PM Jymm: or a parts cleaner tank, then the soluvent is recycled
08:11 PM perry_j1987: well i just finished machining a 1/4 collet #12 for this procunier tapping head
08:11 PM roycroft: i use different solvents for different things
08:11 PM perry_j1987: here's to see if it works now heh
08:12 PM roycroft: i do have a couple ultrasonic cleaners, and i clean a lot of parts using that method, with some simple green
08:13 PM roycroft: for the small cleaner i keep jars of various solvents that i can set in the basket of the cleaner, which i fill with plain water
08:13 PM roycroft: and that does a brilliant job
08:13 PM Jymm: roycroft: I have some 1-1-1 =)
08:13 PM roycroft: and allows me to reuse the solvents without having to clean and filter the cleaner every time
08:14 PM roycroft: well maybe i'll get one of those sprayers next time i discover i haven't overshot my tool budget for the month
08:14 PM roycroft: so possibly before i die or before the end of the world (i'm not sure which comes first any more)
08:15 PM Jymm: roycroft: have you tried these yet https://www.amazon.com/Large-Pressurized-Plant-Mister-Sprayer/dp/B07BL5PPYN/ref=asc_df_B07BL5PPYN/
08:16 PM roycroft: yeah, and how durable do you think that would be in a shop, filled with solvent?
08:16 PM Jymm: roycroft: Just store it next to the road flares... what could go wrong?
08:17 PM roycroft: like i said before, the price doesn't bother me a bit, as long as it works well and lastsa good long while
08:17 PM Jymm: they sell rebuild kits for the spray you are loooking at
08:17 PM roycroft: that makes it even more promising
08:18 PM roycroft: and wd-40 is pretty cheap by the gallon
08:18 PM roycroft: so your ant flamethrower would not have to be expensive to operate at all :)
08:19 PM Jymm: roycroft: HAHA, did you see the video in the comments?!?!?!?!
08:19 PM roycroft: no
08:20 PM roycroft: oh cool
08:20 PM roycroft: proof of concept right there
08:20 PM Jymm: roycroft: So, maybe you really DO want to store it next to the road flares =)
08:21 PM roycroft: a gallon of wd-40 is $17.99
08:21 PM roycroft: you could incinerate millions and millions of ants with a gallon of that stuff
08:22 PM roycroft: if it would only kill 3 million ants (and i bet a gallon woud kill more than that) the cost would be 6/10,000 of a cent per ant
08:25 PM Jymm: I have a few pounds of Calcium Hypochlorite, I could just toss a ounce or two down the nest hole and just add water
08:27 PM roycroft: if the ground is really dry you could very carefully stuff a few grams of sodium metal down the hole, step way way back, and spray the hole with water
08:28 PM Jymm: roycroft: We just had a 150,000 acre wildfire here in Novemeber
08:29 PM roycroft: that you did
08:29 PM Jymm: 91 deaths, and 51,000 displaced
08:29 PM Jymm: So fire is a bit touch aorund here for many, even though I have multiple fire permits
08:29 PM roycroft: so probably the wd-40 method wold not be advisable, nor the sodium method
08:29 PM CaptHindsight: and jym still won't move to france
08:30 PM roycroft: it's forty fricking five degrees in france!
08:30 PM roycroft: it's like france turned into afghanistan
08:30 PM Jymm: roycroft: I do use gasoline for starting the brushing burning when needed
08:30 PM roycroft: and i'm talking real degrees, of course
08:30 PM CaptHindsight: only with better wine and cheeses
08:30 PM roycroft: not pansy united states degrees
08:31 PM Jymm: roycroft: oh go read your METRIC watch already ;)
08:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.wunderground.com/weather/fr/paris/48.86%2C2.35
08:32 PM roycroft: it's 6.45 o'clock here
08:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.wunderground.com/weather/de/frankfurt/50.11%2C8.68
08:33 PM CaptHindsight: Loetmichel_ will be baking tomorrow
08:33 PM CaptHindsight: later today
08:33 PM roycroft: it's probably the south coast that's gonna be 45 degrees
08:35 PM CaptHindsight: yeah Rome is even hotter
08:35 PM CaptHindsight: 100F later this week
08:37 PM roycroft: holy moly
08:37 PM roycroft: jeff austin has died :(
08:37 PM roycroft: and he was only 45
08:37 PM roycroft: he did party pretty hard
08:38 PM * Jymm is on a killing spree this week... rooting more sage (for mosquitos), those thistle type weeds, invasive ground plant, and weevels (moth balls)
08:39 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.wunderground.com/forecast/it/rome/41.89%2C12.48?cm_ven=localwx_10day
08:40 PM CaptHindsight: atsa lotsa hotsa
08:40 PM roycroft: that's not terribly hot
08:40 PM roycroft: mid to upper 30s
08:40 PM Jymm: https://www.google.com/search?q=weather+death+valley
08:40 PM roycroft: we've gotten up to 39 here in eugene already
08:40 PM roycroft: a couple weeks ago
08:41 PM CaptHindsight: yes but these are Europeans
08:41 PM * roycroft respectfully declines the google link
08:41 PM Jymm: https://www.google.com/search?q=weather+death+valley+california
08:42 PM CaptHindsight: Jymm: well they keep Death Valley hot or it wouldn't be Death Valley
08:42 PM roycroft: wunderground seems rather confused though
08:42 PM roycroft: it thinks it's going to get up to 84c in death valley by the 4th of july
08:42 PM roycroft: i seriously doubt that will happen
08:43 PM CaptHindsight: ? says 112 F on my chart
08:43 PM CaptHindsight: oh C I see
08:43 PM roycroft: sincde the highest temperature ever recorded on this planet is in the low 50s
08:44 PM roycroft: 56.7
08:45 PM roycroft: recorded in death valley in 1913
08:45 PM roycroft: some challenge that record, but it's generally agreed that the high was at least 54 degrees in the same place
08:46 PM roycroft: and that record has been tied but not surpassed in kuwait and iran
08:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuBXvlbHX4 threading M24 Stainless steel
08:46 PM roycroft: that is very very hot
08:46 PM Jymm: El Azizia took the record for highest temperature ever recorded on Sept. 13, 1922, when a thermometer on a weather station hit a whopping 136 degrees Fahrenheit (58 degrees Celsius),
08:46 PM roycroft: keep in mind that 60 degrees is hot enough to pasteurize
08:47 PM roycroft: i'm going on what teh wikipedia claim
08:48 PM Jymm: the Lut Desert in 2005 and measured a stunning 159.3 F (70.7 C). Lut had the highest surface temperature in 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2009 as well.
08:49 PM roycroft: i should go fire up the barbie
08:50 PM roycroft: the wmo debunked the aziziya record in 2012
08:51 PM roycroft: (world meteorological organization)
08:51 PM Jymm: NASA > Wikipedia... https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/HottestSpot/page2.php
08:52 PM roycroft: all i know is that stuff is all bloody hot and i don't want to be anywhere near any of those places when the sun is out
08:52 PM Jymm: roycroft: you forgot about the freezing cold nights as well =)
08:53 PM Jymm: CaptHindsight: Hey, Death Valley is where my borax comes from =)
08:53 PM roycroft: the record cold temperature is -89.2c in vostok station, antarctica
08:53 PM roycroft: and i don't want to be there either
08:54 PM Jymm: I went on a photo shoot near Death Valley
08:55 PM roycroft: i've spent some time in the sonoran desert in april
08:55 PM roycroft: and it was bloody hot
08:56 PM roycroft: but it's really beautiful
08:56 PM roycroft: especially when experiencing it from inside an air-conditioned vehicle
09:06 PM Jymm: lol
09:18 PM roycroft: i'm really bummed about jeff's passing
09:18 PM roycroft: and i just opened my laptop, and a picture of him at the northwest string summit popped up in my screen saver
09:19 PM roycroft: i have a few hundred pictures that cycle through the screen saver, and only one or two of him, so that was kind of eerie
09:42 PM roycroft: so is it even advisable for me to start using insert tooling on my lathe?
09:43 PM roycroft: i keep reading about needing a big, super rigid machine so that i can take heavy cuts, because that's what the insert tooling likes
09:43 PM roycroft: i thought mine was big enough, but now i'm reading that "south bends" don't work well with insert tooling
09:43 PM roycroft: some south bends are smaller than mine
09:43 PM roycroft: i think the 12x36 is a pretty common size south bend
09:49 PM _unreal_: jeff?
09:56 PM CaptHindsight: roycroft: did you look at that mill?
09:56 PM CaptHindsight: on CL
10:02 PM roycroft: it sold, capthindsight
10:02 PM roycroft: before the guy responded to me
10:02 PM roycroft: which is not surprising
10:02 PM roycroft: it was dirt cheap
10:19 PM roycroft: jeff austin, _unreal_
10:19 PM roycroft: former lead singer and mandolinist for yonder mountain string band
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/d/adell-cincinnati-lathe-12x44/6919743590.html
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/tls/d/racine-engine-lathe-with-tooling/6916762302.html
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: a beast for $1k