#linuxcnc Logs

Jun 22 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:51 AM Deejay: moin
04:02 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyItts-ofME
04:03 AM XXCoder: not bad channel
05:45 AM jthornton: morning
05:46 AM XXCoder: hey jt
06:50 AM Tom_L: morning
06:53 AM jthornton: morning
06:53 AM Deejay: afternoon
06:54 AM jthornton: Deejay: is always ahead of us
06:55 AM Tom_L: yeah
06:55 AM Deejay: indeed :)
06:55 AM Tom_L: little cooler today.. Hi 86°F nearly 100 yesterday
06:56 AM Tom_L: you gettin rain jt?
06:56 AM jthornton: 91°F for the high today
06:56 AM jthornton: it's north of me
06:56 AM jthornton: about 90 miles
06:57 AM Tom_L: i think we're supposed to around 4-5
06:57 AM jthornton: we have a poker run to go to today gotta make sure the frog toggs are in the bike
06:58 AM Tom_L: arrg, sun night i gotta take my kid out to the vo'tech so they can leave for their national event in Louisville. they leave at 1am
06:59 AM jthornton: yuck
06:59 AM XXCoder: fun
06:59 AM Tom_L: the other one went last year
07:01 AM Tom_L: get your part done and delivered?
07:01 AM jthornton: there was no one there except maintenance lol found out they have been not working Fridays for a while
07:02 AM Tom_L: production slowin down ehh
07:14 AM jthornton: yea it's been slow for them for years
07:14 AM jthornton: at one time they had 3 final assembly lines
07:16 AM jthornton: they need to start making brushless dc motors lol
08:59 AM Tom_L: funno, alot of talk about threading here in the last few weeks
08:59 AM Tom_L: funny,
09:05 AM JT-Shop: got that M30 x 3.5 tap in yesterday
09:13 AM Tom_L: nice
09:13 AM Tom_L: lathe or mill part?
09:15 AM jthornton: wood lathe spindle adapter from M30 to 1-8
09:19 AM Tom_L: ahh
09:20 AM Tom_L: i'd like to find an adapter i can screw on my sherline spindle to adapt er collets
09:21 AM Tom_L: i think those silly sherline tool adapters are off just enough i keep snapping 1/8" cutters at the shank
09:22 AM Vitran: I don't know if this exists. Is there an online database of drawings? I have a link of the Engineering in Miniature, Model Engineer, and Home Shop Machinist magazines, but if I wanted a drawing of, let's say, a standard venturi someone had designed, does one exist?
09:22 AM Tom_L: grabcad.com
09:22 AM Vitran: I haven't found drawings there so much.
09:23 AM Tom_L: no but generally the cad files are there
09:25 AM Vitran: These were the links to the model engineering and likedatabases. http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/resources/article-index/ http://www.machinistsworkshop.net/resources/article-index/ http://www.itech.net.au/modelengineer/ http://www.itech.net.au/modelengineer/mew_magazine.php http://www.itech.net.au/modelengineer/eim_magazine.php
09:25 AM Vitran: I have found some drawings there, but usually for things like making a gear cutter, a small steam engine, an offset steady rest, or other such tools and projects.
09:26 AM Vitran: A local museum has all the magazines for loan
09:38 AM perry_j1987: morning
09:42 AM mmachines: morning folks. I ended up spending a few hours last night hacking on my linuxcnc config - just for fun
09:58 AM Tom_itx: Vitran, most of these are grabcad or a waste of bandwidth: https://i.materialise.com/blog/en/3d-model-databases/
10:14 AM perry_j1987: taig tools got a new site
10:59 AM perry_j1987: hmm
10:59 AM perry_j1987: would airbrush compressor be strong enough to blow chips you think
10:59 AM perry_j1987: im asking cause i like quiet as much as possible lol
11:09 AM veek: is the 227489-9 makita bevel gear, sintered or machined .. any idea?it's got those holes/dimples but they don't look exactly like the usual sintered holes
11:25 AM gloops: perry blow some loose chips with it, see what you think
11:27 AM perry_j1987: i'd have to get one first
11:28 AM perry_j1987: i ran this helical bore about half way then stopped it and took part out and dumped out a load of chips that were not evacuating the hole
11:28 AM perry_j1987: i think this is whats causing me to break the 1/8 endmills? heh
11:30 AM PL7icnc: hi is BogJohn from the Forum somtimes showing up here
11:31 AM PL7icnc: BigJohnT
11:31 AM gloops: not under that nick
11:32 AM PL7icnc: Good Day Mr Gloops Sir how is it going under the Dark clowd
11:32 AM PL7icnc: Boris
11:32 AM gloops: hi, haha, its going to be entertaining
11:32 AM gloops: PL7icnc <perry_j1987> would airbrush compressor be strong enough to blow chips you think
11:32 AM PL7icnc: Mr Gloops i got so far untill NOW no Further Contract for CNC Education
11:33 AM gloops: ahh bad luck - maybe there are other schools or colleges to try
11:33 AM PL7icnc: Mr gloops what kind of chips and what envirerment
11:34 AM gloops: perry_j1987 are you cutting aluminium?
11:34 AM perry_j1987: brass
11:34 AM PL7icnc: brass is ok on Airflow
11:35 AM PL7icnc: mr perry_j1987 you need about 60litr/min
11:35 AM PL7icnc: perry_j1987 cutter size
11:36 AM perry_j1987: 1/8
11:36 AM perry_j1987: trying to do about 20mm deep 5 to 6mm holes in brass
11:36 AM PL7icnc: then i guess it can bel less then 25l(min
11:36 AM perry_j1987: have to helical bore because my spindle doesnt do slow speed for drills
11:36 AM PL7icnc: i do that 2
11:38 AM PL7icnc: if it is a HF aircoold there is a airflow to the bit that might do it without
11:38 AM PL7icnc: did you make a sample
11:38 AM perry_j1987: it is 2.2kw water cooled spindle
11:41 AM PL7icnc: you may do a high sped centerdrill
11:41 AM PL7icnc: there are HM drills if it is no hole throu
11:41 AM PL7icnc: dont drill throu
11:41 AM perry_j1987: its a through hole
11:41 AM PL7icnc: with the HM bits
11:41 AM PL7icnc: it kills the front
11:41 AM veek: Oo nice 'Reliable machined bevel gears' any of the Makita with GA have that
11:41 AM PL7icnc: if it is only a low pice count i do drill to 1mm
11:41 AM PL7icnc: and then do a Hand trill trou the last
11:41 AM PL7icnc: or SAME material to the bottem and then drill into that and make it a non throu
11:44 AM PL7icnc: i am in Germany teatching only Metric CNC stuff
11:48 AM perry_j1987: its hard enough learning new things
11:48 AM Tom_L: perry_j1987 you using coolant?
11:48 AM perry_j1987: imagine trying to add fractions into the mix :)
11:48 AM perry_j1987: no coolant
11:48 AM perry_j1987: i just remembered I have a spare vacuum pump
11:49 AM Tom_L: maybe a vacuum to evacuate the chips
11:49 AM perry_j1987: edwards 2 stage vacuum pump
11:49 AM perry_j1987: with an outlet blower on it heh
11:49 AM Tom_L: doubtful
11:49 AM PL7icnc: there is a good 130l/min blower at homedepo
11:49 AM PL7icnc: at 35USD
11:50 AM perry_j1987: link?
11:50 AM PL7icnc: sorry cand access this homedepo direct
11:50 AM Tom_L: get a small contractors compressor
11:50 AM perry_j1987: they are too loud
11:50 AM Tom_L: put it far away
11:50 AM perry_j1987: cant get it far enough away here :P
11:51 AM Tom_L: can't be any worse than my 5hp sanborn compressor
11:51 AM perry_j1987: i have one of those cheap mist coolant setups never hooked it up (no compressor)
11:51 AM gloops: vacuum needs a slightly more complex set up though
11:51 AM Tom_L: i'm using one of the chinese ones
11:51 AM gloops: i.e chip collection
11:52 AM perry_j1987: there's outlet on vacuum pumps too
11:52 AM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mist-Coolant-Lubrication-Spray-System-For-8mm-Air-Pipe-CNC-Lathe-Mill-Drill-D/382892803922?epid=605518453&hash=item5926308752:g:TeEAAOSwqx1c76hg
11:52 AM perry_j1987: i'll get some tubing to fit it and see if its enough to do the job
11:52 AM Tom_L: been using one of those
11:52 AM gloops: worth trying if youve already got one perry
11:53 AM Tom_L: i doubt it would work on the mister
11:53 AM gloops: can just test it holding the pipe manually
11:53 AM PL7icnc: homedepo checks if you are inside states
11:53 AM perry_j1987: need a tube the irght size to test
11:53 AM PL7icnc: mr perry_j1987 what state are you in the US
11:55 AM net|: boyancy engine https://i.imgur.com/9fdZ2dt.png using mercury and stargate electromagnet valve ? https://i.imgur.com/dvTLWSO.png
11:55 AM PL7icnc: there are offen good deals around your city
11:55 AM net|: only one moving part
11:55 AM PL7icnc: toom,walmart even mediacenters or car repai
11:59 AM PL7icnc: i am off have a nice weekend
11:59 AM gloops: drawing in blender i see, net
12:00 PM Tom_L: how's blender's post?
12:01 PM gloops: never got round to trying it Tom_L dont know if its still being developed
12:01 PM Tom_L: 21 months ago
12:01 PM Tom_L: unlikely
12:02 PM gloops: yeah looks like its been dropped, shame
12:03 PM gloops: i see TurBoss was on it for a while
12:14 PM jthornton: hmm looks like my part is finished so back to the shop to start another one
12:16 PM perry_j1987: heres the one i got https://www.idealvac.com/Edwards-1-E2M1-Rotary-Vane-Dual-Stage-Mechanical-Vacuum-Pump-Rebuilt-Refurbished/pp/P101038
12:33 PM jym: Mornin
12:37 PM perry_j1987: morning
01:00 PM Deejay: evening
01:01 PM jym: Deejay: almsot time for you to say DN9
01:02 PM Deejay: not yet :)
01:06 PM CaptHindsight: been using an antibacterial coolant but the odor of it gets to me, sort of a sweet ester
01:07 PM CaptHindsight: have to add something to mask it, still better than smelling mildew/mold/feet
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: scented coolant and cutting fluids, an untapped market
01:11 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Um, I use a cinnamon scented one
01:11 PM jthornton: I should go out and put another part in the vmc
01:15 PM jym: CaptHindsight: https://www.amazon.com/LPS-Tapmatic-AquaCut-Cutting-Fluid/dp/B00KWW3NZU
01:15 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Cinnamon scented https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71ZviROzmRL._SL1500_.jpg
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: something more floral
01:16 PM CaptHindsight: food odor get tiring
01:16 PM jym: CaptHindsight: honeysuckle?
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: afternoon Gyros
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: BBQ pork
01:17 PM CaptHindsight: yesyterdays sardines
01:19 PM jym: I thoguht you said NON-food
01:22 PM CaptHindsight: gunsmoke
01:24 PM Rab: Don't usually see these deelz in this hood: https://austin.craigslist.org/tls/d/bryan-whitney-horizontal-milling-machine/6916098317.html
01:24 PM Rab: https://austin.craigslist.org/tls/d/bryan-linley-jig-borermilling-machine/6914336461.html
01:25 PM Rab: Interesting topology on that jig borer...more of an elbow rather than a knee mill?
01:28 PM CaptHindsight: they ceratinly cleaned it
01:28 PM CaptHindsight: certainly even
01:30 PM Rab: Yeah, nice hammertone paint finish that covers a lot of the fasteners...probably looked more like the horizontal mill before that.
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: lots of work to tear it down fully to media blast
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: then you have to do that yourself or hope someone else doesn't hit the ways
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: $1100 https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/d/chicago-bridgeport-mill/6913098957.html
02:09 PM perry_j1987: mmmm tapping head on craigslist for 30 bucks
02:36 PM jthornton: pretty cheap
02:43 PM Tom_L: perry_j1987, jt has one he'll sell ya for alot more
02:43 PM perry_j1987: heh
02:45 PM Tom_L: no seriously.... get your checkbook out.
02:45 PM Tom_L: :)
02:46 PM perry_j1987: does he mind if its rubber
02:46 PM Tom_L: plastic maybe
02:46 PM perry_j1987: hah
02:47 PM perry_j1987: remember that scene on willy wonka the everlasting gobstopper
02:47 PM perry_j1987: i need that in endmill form
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: anyone know the attraction to Slack? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slack_(software)
03:01 PM roycroft: there is none, capthindsight
03:01 PM roycroft: the instant i see the words "cloud based" i lose any potential for any interest in the thing :)
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: why yet another IRC-like service?
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: i understand the profit motive, but not the "user" motive
03:20 PM mmachines: no experience with slack. work uses cisco jabber for instant messaging
03:24 PM jym: CaptHindsight: "...Slack was previously compatible with non-proprietary Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and XMPP messaging protocols, but the company closed the corresponding gateways on May 2018"
03:26 PM jym: I like xmpp, except for the XML aspect, but meh
03:39 PM Deejay: gn8
03:40 PM XXCoder: discord seem to be gaining popularity
03:40 PM XXCoder: but meh as its still centerized
03:51 PM jym: doscord is a gaming thing, isn't it?
03:51 PM jym: discord*
03:51 PM jym: irc is centralized too
03:52 PM XXCoder: you can set your own irc servers
03:52 PM XXCoder: discord you cannot
03:53 PM XXCoder: and irc is not centeralized, there can be many irc servers under single irc domain
03:53 PM XXCoder: hence netsplits
03:59 PM perry_j1987: spend a couple days away from the lathe and i've forgotten how to setup the tool offsets bah
04:01 PM jym: XXCoder: But isn't discord more gaming people?
04:02 PM XXCoder: hardly
04:02 PM XXCoder: out of all channels im in, only 2 is gaming related
04:02 PM XXCoder: specifically mystcraft and retro gaming handhelds
04:02 PM XXCoder: out of 9
04:26 PM andypugh: I made the first part of the silly “PiPro” case.
04:27 PM perry_j1987: hah took me up on the idea eh
04:28 PM andypugh: I had forgotten who had the idea, but I liked it.
04:28 PM perry_j1987: hackaday that night posted the same thing few hours later
04:28 PM perry_j1987: someone stupidly put a pi in a cheese grater
04:28 PM perry_j1987: yours will be better :)
04:29 PM andypugh: Yes, it was the comments thread on that post that had me decide to go with the idea.
04:29 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/SfJrRtMMETaiGE6y8
04:29 PM perry_j1987: thats pretty darn cool
04:29 PM andypugh: It’s a really attractive structure in the metal.
04:29 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/pK7KJwdneGy7F4LX9
04:30 PM andypugh: As expected, I did have to poke out all the holes with a pointy thing.
04:30 PM perry_j1987: pretty laborious method then eh
04:31 PM andypugh: It didn’t take that long, the bits of stuff blocking the holes didn’t put up any fight.
04:31 PM andypugh: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3705677
04:32 PM perry_j1987: air nozzle on compressor?
04:32 PM andypugh: No, a bit more than that. I actually used a scriber. It turned out to be just the right size.
04:32 PM perry_j1987: ok
04:32 PM perry_j1987: hopefully someone doesnt want you to make 1000 of them now heh
04:36 PM andypugh: If they did, I would outsource to a job-shop I know quite well.
04:36 PM andypugh: It’s a job for faster spindles and auto-tool-changers
04:42 PM perry_j1987: aye
04:53 PM jthornton: hmm I can't get the 7i92 to work with a 7i77, does fine with a 7i76... just trying to collect the hal pin names
04:54 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wRxG3JFdvy/
04:54 PM jthornton: if I unplug the 7i77 the loadrt command works...
04:59 PM andypugh: Is the 7i77 jumpered for cable power and taking too much?
05:05 PM jthornton: yes, and I'm not sure nothing is connected to the 7i77 however I'm using a USB 5v source so that may be the issue
05:12 PM jthornton: using a real 5v power supply fixed it , thanks andypugh
05:13 PM mmachines: yesterday I mentioned I wanted to eliminate a long list of MDI_COMMANDs in my ini file
05:14 PM mmachines: the issue was I had connected pyvcp pins to halui.mdi-command-NN to the MDI_COMMAND in ini then eventually to a script or subroutine
05:14 PM mmachines: it got too unwieldy. say I want to remove one of the MDI_COMMANDs - it throws off the sequence IDs ...
05:15 PM mmachines: working solution now is a python userspace component
05:15 PM mmachines: I'm adding hal 'edge' components (one for each button) to keep the button trigger high long enough for the userspace to see it ~1 second
05:20 PM jthornton: in QtPyVCP you can have the MDI command in the button...
05:21 PM mmachines: that's great - I will take a look at QtPyVCP at some point, maybe migrate
05:28 PM noel is now known as Guest30299
06:07 PM skunkworks: wow - after tramming everything I could on my little green machine... The spindle was out of tram by about 50thousands...
06:08 PM skunkworks: on a 12 inch circle
06:09 PM skunkworks: gots some issues :)
06:10 PM skunkworks: it is funny - it is like they machined / ground the edges excpt for 1.. Now that the spinidle is trammed in the x axis - the edge that was off - is not pretty much on.
06:10 PM skunkworks: *now
06:22 PM andypugh: I can’t work out whether it is good now, or bad.
06:23 PM andypugh: mozmck_m: Do you know if anyone is working on a Live-Build setup for the 2.8 ISO?
06:24 PM jym: skunkworks: Aren't you working backwards? The monster and now almsot sherline sized =)
06:28 PM skunkworks: andypugh: currently it is gooder...
06:29 PM skunkworks: still a bit of nod..
06:29 PM skunkworks: about 10thousands over the same distance.. Probably need to shim
06:33 PM Tom_L: skunkworks, i thought you had that one nearly done
06:35 PM CaptHindsight: room temp blackening vs prime and paint of low carbon steels
06:35 PM skunkworks: I thought so to.. 1 step forward - 1.5 steps back..
06:37 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: didn't really think the tram would be that far off :)
06:38 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20190622_183135.jpg
06:38 PM Tom_L: i should check mine again now that it's been run a while
06:40 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQaAKUAzK0w
06:40 PM SpeedEvil: Plant walkthrough and PR by colchester lathes in 1965?
06:44 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/nQaAKUAzK0w?t=297 how old do they look? seems awful laborious
06:44 PM andypugh: I think I saw that recently. Or maybe another, one
06:45 PM andypugh: Cute vans
06:45 PM CaptHindsight: andypugh: how unionized was the UK back then (1965)
06:47 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: basically 100% AIUI.
06:47 PM andypugh: Adequately but not excessively. Things went wrong in the 70s, when there were trade unionists who were more interested in bringing down the government than in their members continued employment.
06:51 PM CaptHindsight: wonder what they use at the factory to cut profile bearings?
06:52 PM CaptHindsight: the ends look machined
06:58 PM andypugh: What do you mean by “profile bearings?”
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.brammer.ie/Images/linear-bearings-sm.jpg
07:04 PM CaptHindsight: profile rail
07:05 PM Tom_L: probably a series of grinding wheels
07:07 PM andypugh: Are you asking how they are cut to length, or how the profile is made?
07:09 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8wjI31SDwA
07:16 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohTvrRi9294
07:16 PM Tom_L: just a precision chop saw
07:19 PM skunkworks: .004" shim seems to have fixed the spindle knod
07:24 PM skunkworks: would .001" in a 10 inch circle be close enough?
07:26 PM andypugh: Depends how many 10” cutters you use.
07:28 PM skunkworks: probably none on this machine.. It would be more small drill deep
07:30 PM skunkworks: I am going to say it is good enough.. The table top to y axis base way is .005" off.. (over about 9 inches)
07:33 PM roycroft: andypugh: i don't know if you saw my findings about my lathe last night - it was rather late in your part of the world
07:34 PM roycroft: the index dial on my cross slide was loose, and it was slipping when i was backing the cutter of
07:34 PM roycroft: so i was not rezeroing accurately
07:35 PM roycroft: or, mayhap a better way of saying it is that i was not rezeroing at all
07:35 PM roycroft: i was rerandoming :)
07:36 PM skunkworks: now within .0005" (no - could not leave it alone..)
07:38 PM skunkworks: good enough in all directions... now maybe back together for the last time :)
07:44 PM andypugh: roycroft: I am not 100% clear on why that would have the effect you saw.
08:13 PM roycroft: andypugh: if i advance the cross slide randomly all i'll do is take different depth cuts each time, since the cutter is only moving perpendicular to the z axis
08:13 PM roycroft: so it always indexes to the thread properly
08:13 PM roycroft: if, however, i advance the compound randomly
08:13 PM andypugh: Yes. And that isn’t what you were seeing, is it?
08:13 PM roycroft: yes
08:14 PM andypugh: Ah, the compound was the random one?
08:14 PM roycroft: but if i index the compound randomly, which is what i'm effectively doing when the cross slide is not zeroed, it will enter the thread at different places
08:14 PM roycroft: it's the cross slide that was not indexing properly
08:15 PM roycroft: but that affects the indexing of the compound
08:15 PM andypugh: Hmm, OK.
08:15 PM andypugh: You should just convert to solid toolpost and CNC.
08:16 PM roycroft: some day
08:16 PM roycroft: i still think that learning how to machine manually is important
08:16 PM roycroft: and will help when writing gcode
08:16 PM roycroft: and i'll continue to believe that at least until i have a cnc mill and lathe :)
08:17 PM roycroft: if i'm honest i've never really had any interest in a cnc lathe
08:17 PM roycroft: after i finally do the cnc conversion to my mill/drill i might change my mind on that
08:18 PM roycroft: i also believe that, as i'm getting older, manual machining is good for me as it keeps me excercising both physical and mental skills
08:34 PM andypugh: We may be in different places. I have been using lathes since I was 8.
08:43 PM roycroft: i started machining about 15 years ago, when i took some courses at a community college
08:43 PM roycroft: so i started later in life
08:44 PM andypugh: I do like using a lathe. I find it very pleasant.
08:44 PM roycroft: i like operating a lathe more than i like operating a milling machine
08:44 PM roycroft: and if i could only have one or the other i'd definitely want a lathe
08:45 PM andypugh: And even in CNC mode I rarely run a G-code programme as such, I have a set of fixed cycles and a GUI for them, so make things as if I have a magic power feed that returns and takes the next pass automatically.
08:46 PM roycroft: i expect that's what i'll do once i have a cnc machine
08:56 PM Vitran: I have found CNC lathe vs manual lathe much much better
08:56 PM Vitran: Particularity with cycles. Face end. Poke button. Go. Face outside. Poke button. Go
08:57 PM Vitran: Drill hole, bore hole, poke button to go
08:57 PM Vitran: And super nice finishes each time. I also included manual jog wheels on my lathe for X and Z
08:57 PM Vitran: I made sure the jog wheels were different shapes so I don't accidentally drive X instead of Z
09:11 PM Elmo40: Vitran, any photos?
09:14 PM Vitran: https://i.imgur.com/dMdDayH.jpg
09:14 PM Vitran: Since that photo, I added USB ports to the bottom left of the control plate for the mouse and keyboard
09:14 PM Vitran: Poke the buttons to index to the next tool on the turret and tailstock
09:15 PM Vitran: There is also a button above the right jog wheel to switch between moving the tailstock and the turret in the Z or A direction
09:16 PM Vitran: That photo was from about two months ago when I did the first paid project on the machine. Did a whole set of double-ended threaded rods out of 304
09:25 PM andypugh: My CNC lathe looks like a manual lathe, because it’s a conversion. I didn’t want to lose the flexibility of a manual lathe (for example using it for coil winding, or polishing, that sort of thing)
09:26 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TqP1KoVNTfi9dHai6
09:27 PM andypugh: (It’s never been so clean since, that was after I had just finished the conversion. It does have a splash-back now, though.
09:29 PM andypugh: But, anyway, it’s going to be getting light here soon, time to sleep.
09:29 PM Tom_L: later andy
10:51 PM XXCoder: whoa huge snake dead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvkj9YelD3Q
11:04 PM Vitran: I would have expected some bloating shortly after it died