Jun 16 2019
12:58 AM Deejay: moin
01:02 AM XXCoder: hey
01:02 AM XXCoder: jymm: yeahy
04:39 AM jthornton: morning
04:40 AM XXCoder: yo
04:40 AM jthornton: grandkids and daughter are on their way home
06:46 AM tiwake: jthornton: what would you recommend getting for thread pitch micrometers?
06:59 AM jthornton: thread wires have always worked for me
07:12 AM gloops: have bid on another lathe out of boredom lol, funny the bid holds when you werent really serious about buying it
07:13 AM XXCoder: lol
07:19 AM gloops: and also when its more than 100 miles away..never the ones down the road
07:21 AM XXCoder: less you want it, ,more likely you gets eh heh
07:27 AM gloops: it is actually/maybe a good old lathe, allegedly daughter selling off deceased dads stuff - so knows nothing about it, 2.5 hour drive
07:27 AM gloops: could get there and its cracked or something
07:31 AM Loetmichel: GNAH! alzheimers... waiting for 2 weeks now on the payout of a small inheritance... just noticed that i forgot to sign the document that states that i am good with the payout... (its 5 siblings of my fahter and my sister and me, not so easy to get them to all "pull in the right direction") ... *jumps in the car, drives a 100km to get that document to my "inheritance managing uncle" :-)
07:52 AM Tom_L: morning
07:55 AM jthornton: morning
07:56 AM Tom_L: usual overnite storm...
07:56 AM Tom_L: at least there's still power this time
08:02 AM phipli: Morning
08:37 AM tiwake: used thread wires too, but they are way too slow
09:04 AM Tom_L: tiwake get some thread gages then
09:04 AM Tom_L: go no-to
09:04 AM Tom_L: go
09:05 AM Tom_L: https://www.gsgage.com/thread-plugs
09:06 AM Tom_L: well you want external though..
09:08 AM tiwake: enh, yeah, but it only works for one class of threads and one standard size
09:09 AM tiwake: I'm thinking that mitoyo set would be perfect... a 0-1 and 1-2
09:11 AM tiwake: I have some thread wires that are really good quality, but they piss me off... heh
09:20 AM perry_j1987: morning all
09:21 AM perry_j1987: so tried boring a hole with an endmill the hole is coming out undersized
09:21 AM perry_j1987: doublechecked endmill size and its correct in the cam
09:22 AM perry_j1987: any list of things to go through to diagnose? :P
09:22 AM perry_j1987: (helical boring - climb milling)
09:24 AM tiwake: perry_j1987: what is your tool stickout, material you are cutting?
09:24 AM perry_j1987: im farting around with this 20mm aluminum
09:25 AM perry_j1987: stickout is 25mm or so
09:25 AM perry_j1987: 1/8 flat endmill
09:25 AM tiwake: so tons of deflection... how deep are you cutting?
09:26 AM perry_j1987: through
09:26 AM tiwake: do you have flutes at least the length of the material?
09:26 AM perry_j1987: ya
09:26 AM tiwake: how fast are you spinning?
09:27 AM perry_j1987: 8000 it says
09:27 AM tiwake: about right I suppose, with coolant
09:27 AM perry_j1987: 79.8mm/min surface speed
09:27 AM perry_j1987: cutting feed rate 1000mm/min
09:28 AM tiwake: communist numbers :-x
09:28 AM perry_j1987: metric is much easier to comprehend than fractions hah
09:29 AM tiwake: how far undersize?
09:29 AM tiwake: because I would expect it to be, even if you run the same feature over and over again
09:29 AM tiwake: at least a little undersize
09:29 AM Wolf__: single pass or using a rough + finish
09:29 AM perry_j1987: suppose to be 5mm hole and calipers say 4.4mm
09:30 AM tiwake: use pin gauges
09:30 AM perry_j1987: single pass
09:30 AM perry_j1987: but i've reran it several times no change in size
09:30 AM tiwake: yeah, because of deflection
09:30 AM tiwake: thats common
09:31 AM tiwake: make it bigger with tool radius compensation
09:31 AM perry_j1987: i was hoping to be able to use an endmill for this so i could do a few different size holes without tool changes heh
09:31 AM Wolf__: also are you sure the machine is dead on for movement distances
09:31 AM tiwake: it will do that even with beefy endmills
09:31 AM perry_j1987: its a 6040 cnc
09:32 AM Wolf__: and zero backlash
09:32 AM perry_j1987: steps per mm are 320 and ballscrews
09:32 AM tiwake: ballscrews don't automatically mean no backlash
09:32 AM perry_j1987: i did a test cut in some wood 100mm box and calipers say its dead on 100mm x and y
09:33 AM tiwake: wood is soft and squishy
09:33 AM tiwake: so is plastic
09:33 AM Wolf__: helical circle = x+y slop
09:33 AM tiwake: ^
09:33 AM tiwake: use a bore gauge, or set up a test to actually measure backlash
09:34 AM perry_j1987: i dont have a bore gage
09:34 AM perry_j1987: calipers and mic
09:35 AM Wolf__: have any 1/4” shaft end mills?
09:36 AM perry_j1987: 1/8 alot of
09:36 AM perry_j1987: wait think i have some 4mm shaft ones
09:36 AM tiwake: you could test with another endmill as a pin gauge
09:36 AM Wolf__: ^ thats where I was going
09:37 AM Wolf__: quality ones will be pretty close to dead on
09:37 AM tiwake: say you have a 3/8" endmill, use the 1/4" one to make a 3/8" hole and make the hole bigger till it barely fits in
09:38 AM perry_j1987: k just tried a 4mm hole and this endmill that reads 3.9995 with calipers doesnt fit
09:39 AM Wolf__: without having a 5-6 digit $$$ machine, I would go for roughing hole locations or just spotting them, then drilling and reaming to size or using a boring bar to finish size
09:40 AM perry_j1987: then i'd have to have an accurate table on my drillpress too :P
09:41 AM Wolf__: thats what the spotting on the cnc is for lol
09:42 AM perry_j1987: even with that if the drillpress table's off i get a nice angled hole heh
09:42 AM perry_j1987: i just want to get perfectly placed holes dead on accuracy with the cheapest machiens possible :P
09:45 AM Tom_L: cutter comp
09:45 AM Tom_L: :)
09:46 AM perry_j1987: is that done in cam or linuxcnc
09:46 AM perry_j1987: im up for giving it a try
09:46 AM Tom_L: yes
09:46 AM Tom_L: tell linuxcnc the cutter is smaller
09:46 AM Tom_L: in the tool table
09:47 AM Tom_L: if you need +0 -.0002" then i'd do something else
09:48 AM perry_j1987: i want a 6mm hole and it gave me 5.4mm hole
09:48 AM Tom_L: what size cutter?
09:48 AM perry_j1987: 1/8
09:49 AM Tom_L: there's yer problem
09:49 AM perry_j1987: just checked this 5mm hole and its 4.4mm as well
09:49 AM Tom_L: :) cutting metric holes with imperial tools
09:49 AM tiwake: perry_j1987: calipers can be off by a fair margin
09:49 AM Tom_L: tell it the cutter is .124" or .123"
09:49 AM perry_j1987: heh well the imperial endmil lwas the only one i could find with long enough flutes
09:49 AM Tom_L: or .1235
09:50 AM Tom_L: change the value in small increments until you get what you want
09:51 AM Tom_L: acording to andy, linuxcnc works in double precision floating point math so just about anything you give it, it should handle within the bounds of your machine tolerance
09:51 AM tiwake: Tom_L: wait, what? lol
09:51 AM tiwake: thats stupid precision
09:51 AM tiwake: in a good way
09:51 AM Tom_L: :)
09:52 AM Tom_L: it came up the other day. or i wouldn't know
09:52 AM perry_j1987: so in the tool table on linuxcnc instead of the cam?
09:53 AM tiwake: I don't think fanuc is that precise
09:53 AM Tom_L: try it there yes. that's the easiest
09:53 AM perry_j1987: ya that'd be nicer so the cad/cam can stay true sizes etc
09:54 AM Tom_L: 04:57 PM andypugh: You might want to tell him that linuxCNC is working in double-precision floating-point throughout and that is almost certainly far more accurate than a PLC.
09:55 AM tiwake: fanuc is not PLC
09:55 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2019-06-12.html
09:55 AM Tom_L: it was about another argument
09:55 AM Tom_L: on the forum
09:55 AM tiwake: ah
09:55 AM Tom_L: umm cnczone? practical machinist...
09:55 AM Tom_L: one of them
09:55 AM tiwake: PLC's are... I don't know what to think of them
09:56 AM tiwake: "useful improper crap"
09:56 AM tiwake: or something
09:57 AM tiwake: "now built-in with more crap called IoT"
10:01 AM Tom_L: perry_j1987, it's common for operators to use cutter comp on a machine
10:01 AM perry_j1987: that makes me feel better :)
10:01 AM perry_j1987: ok so i opened up the tooltable
10:02 AM perry_j1987: i have linuxcnc set to mm
10:02 AM perry_j1987: and i just noticed the tool table says 0.125 for diameter of this tool (imperial...)
10:02 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g41-g42
10:02 AM Tom_L: your program must have it on though
10:02 AM perry_j1987: is there something in gcode that would tell it the cutter is in imperial or metric measurements?
10:03 AM Tom_L: G20 G21
10:03 AM perry_j1987: the cam measurements are all metric
10:03 AM Tom_L: measure it and put in the units you want
10:03 AM perry_j1987: but i did setup this tool like it was imperial etc
10:03 AM perry_j1987: in cam
10:04 AM Tom_L: any cad cam worth being called that doesn't care
10:04 AM Tom_L: i posted one last night in both using the same file
10:04 AM Tom_L: for _unreal_
10:05 AM perry_j1987: so would the cam be converting the imperial cutters to metric measurements than since the cad documents are all metric is what im wondering
10:05 AM Tom_L: depends on the cad cam as to where the conversion takes place i believe
10:05 AM perry_j1987: or is there some gcode that its specifying a difference based on the cutter used for that block etc
10:05 AM Tom_L: maybe in the tool list or in the post
10:06 AM Tom_L: no special gcode for cutters
10:06 AM Tom_L: not like that anyway
10:07 AM perry_j1987: ok
10:07 AM perry_j1987: i jsut checked post i only see g21 so its metric
10:07 AM perry_j1987: ok so my head can wrap around this better :)
10:07 AM Tom_L: read up about cutter comp there and understand it before you use it
10:08 AM perry_j1987: in linuxcnc i just spotted in the tool table the diameter for this tool number was set to imperial decimal units 0.125 instead of its metric size
10:08 AM Tom_L: or just change the tool size in the tool table and forget about cutter comp
10:08 AM perry_j1987: so would that account for what im seeing
10:08 AM perry_j1987: if it thinks the cutter is 0.125mm etc
10:09 AM Tom_L: your hole isn't off that much is it?
10:09 AM perry_j1987: .6mm
10:09 AM Tom_L: if you're using mm in linuxcnc use it throughout
10:09 AM perry_j1987: aye i have no idea how 0.125 is in the tooltable lol
10:10 AM Tom_L: you may not _have_ to but it's certainly safer
10:11 AM Tom_L: make some wood test cuts so you understand what things are doing
10:13 AM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-config.html
10:14 AM Tom_L: read about 'units'
10:16 AM perry_j1987: ok
10:16 AM Tom_L: This does not affect the linear units in NC code
10:20 AM Tom_L: i can't find anything on it yet but i would assume the tool table units would follow the LINEAR_UNITS in the ini
10:24 AM perry_j1987: hey would you look at that
10:24 AM perry_j1987: when i put the right diameter of endmill in the tool table...
10:24 AM perry_j1987: guess what
10:27 AM Tom_L: did you use metric on the tool?
10:27 AM perry_j1987: ya
10:27 AM perry_j1987: i first tried deeleting the diameter in tool table to use what cam said
10:27 AM perry_j1987: reran the feature and hole still undersized slightly
10:27 AM Tom_L: i'm trying to figure out which .ini setting determines that
10:27 AM perry_j1987: grabbed mic and this 1/8 tool is 3.025mm
10:27 AM perry_j1987: so put that in tooltable and i can put this 4mm endmill through the hole perfectly no discernable play
10:28 AM Tom_L: i would use the tool table tool diameter then instead of cutter comp
10:29 AM Tom_L: if you change it mid ship, be sure to reload the tool table
10:46 AM perry_j1987: ok
10:52 AM _unreal_: hello... nope never mind good buy. coffee is kicking in
10:57 AM perry_j1987: got a problem. cant figure out why nomatter what i change in gcode it kicks out when it gets to a certain spot ... here's the rails https://www.linearpositioningsystems.com/style/images/door-guide-pic1.jpg
10:57 AM perry_j1987: jk :)
11:20 AM Tom_L: use more comp
11:24 AM jymm: More cowbell
11:25 AM Tom_L: mooooove it mooooove it..
11:26 AM perry_j1987: heh
11:27 AM perry_j1987: seen that pic on google image search when i was trying to figure out what this linear rail i have is
11:27 AM jymm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdcTmpvDO0I
11:27 AM perry_j1987: i picked up this 5-6' ballscrew with a huge linear rail for 10 bucks from someone
11:27 AM perry_j1987: the linear rail is very wide and has a tapemeasure markings down the center of it
11:29 AM gloops: square?
11:39 AM Tom_L: rail gun
11:49 AM jymm: scrap old microwaves =)
11:51 AM jymm: I have 8 microwave transformers , diodes and caps, I SO want to connect them up, and scared shitless to at the same time =)
11:52 AM gloops: are you trying to break the world record for defrosting a chicken jym?
11:55 AM jymm: If each xmfr is 5KV * 8 = 40KV * 8 doublers = 10M volts
11:55 AM gloops: whats the application?
11:56 AM jymm: "Hold by beer"
11:57 AM jymm: gloops: because we can ?
11:57 AM gloops: i saw that you can make a crude plasma cutter with a microwave
11:58 AM jymm: I've seen welders using them
11:58 AM jymm: You get them free from any appliance store dumpster
11:59 AM jymm: they have to pay to get rid of them anyway, so they dont care
11:59 AM gloops: yeah, i see quite a lot here outside houses - people just put scrap metal on the street for collection
12:00 PM jymm: Just harvest the xfmr, diode, cap, and microswitches
12:02 PM jymm: gloops: I did this... https://i.imgur.com/KyI9Pg8.jpg
12:02 PM gloops: wow that is pretty
12:02 PM jymm: gloops: and these https://i.imgur.com/rPyFRIf.png
12:02 PM gloops: people die doing that though dont they??
12:03 PM jymm: gloops: Nah, you just have to be respectful and only use one hand
12:03 PM gloops: very nice, do you have any control over where the pattern goes?
12:04 PM gloops: i dont have enough knowledge of electrics for that lol
12:04 PM jymm: gloops: not really / sorta kinda, you can maipuate things to get certain things, it's really a hit/miss try differen tthings and you get different effects
12:05 PM jymm: gloops: Just don't use tow hands and if you get shocked it wount go across your chest/heart
12:06 PM gloops: sounds pretty enthralling lol
12:07 PM jymm: gloops: I just make a habit of grabbing the back of my pants before turning on
12:07 PM jymm: gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwGnxB9BXK0
12:09 PM jymm: gloops: It's quite easy if you want to try it
12:09 PM gloops: they are good, its that kind of natural pattern you cant copy by hand
12:09 PM gloops: if you tried drawing it it wouldnt look the same
12:10 PM jymm: And each one is unique in itself
12:10 PM gloops: yeah
12:10 PM jymm: I just use baking soda and water and a brush
12:12 PM jymm: you play around and get deep veines, shallow veins, etc
12:12 PM jymm: I would like to get/use a foot switch though
12:13 PM gloops: im scared to get a 40w laser i dont think this is for me lol
12:13 PM jymm: Why scared?
12:14 PM gloops: i dont know anything about lasers, the 15w bluray looks more idiot friendly
12:26 PM CaptHindsight: don't shoot your eye out
12:28 PM CaptHindsight: jymm: if you come down with skin cancer in the next few years check and see if you were generating x-rays from your current setup
12:29 PM CaptHindsight: the use your time mashine and go back and use shielding on it
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: if you don't get cancer then don't worry about it
01:03 PM jymm: CaptHindsight: HV generates xrays?
01:08 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.nde-ed.org/EducationResources/HighSchool/Radiography/xraygenerators.htm
01:11 PM CaptHindsight: Bremsstrahlung
01:12 PM CaptHindsight: it was invented by the Germans to explain how x rays are generated
01:13 PM CaptHindsight: if the Russians had invented it then it would be called тормозное излучение
01:25 PM Tom_L: jymm, is that with or without the capacitor?
01:26 PM jymm: CaptHindsight: Is that at 5KV or in the 10KV+ arena?
01:27 PM jymm: Tom_L: the pics I posted are just xmfr, not caps or diodes
01:27 PM jymm: s/not/no/
01:28 PM Tom_L: 2-5 kv?
01:29 PM jymm: Tom_L: I believe so. It's whatever I could find I don't have a HV probe to know for sure
01:29 PM jymm: Tom_L: bigger xfmr are better as they don't heat up as much during prolonged use
01:29 PM CaptHindsight: 10KV
01:29 PM jymm: CaptHindsight: k
01:30 PM CaptHindsight: why crt's had so much shielding
01:31 PM jymm: CaptHindsight: Yeah, but that is also with an electron gun too iirc
01:31 PM Tom_L: jymm just set it in a bucket of water to cool it
01:31 PM jymm: Tom_L: what if I just lick it instead?
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/20385/peaks-on-top-of-bremsstrahlung
01:32 PM Tom_L: if you're into that yeah
01:32 PM CaptHindsight: jymm: post video of when you do!
01:32 PM Tom_L: did you do those you posted?
01:33 PM jymm: CaptHindsight: sure =)
01:33 PM jymm: Tom_L: Of the photos, yes
01:34 PM Tom_L: wonder if a neon sign xfmr would work
01:34 PM Tom_L: not sure i still have it...
01:34 PM Tom_L: i do have a broken microwave though
01:34 PM jymm: I'm sure it would depending on the VA
01:35 PM jymm: Tom_L:let me find another video to convert microwave xfrms
01:35 PM Tom_L: not sure what's broke on it
01:35 PM Tom_L: if you don't hear back from me you'll know what happened :)
01:37 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqJFZ7_nB40 Lichtenberg using Neon Sign Transformers
01:37 PM jymm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyW9iaXm-Zk
01:38 PM CaptHindsight: jym spells it Lick-ten-berg
01:43 PM Tom_L: so keep the microwave and put the wood inside as a shield?
01:46 PM jymm: Tom_L: exactly
01:46 PM Tom_L: use round stock and make lamp bases
01:47 PM pcw_home: A friend of mine used to make Plexiglass Lichtenberg figures by "borrowing" time on Shell Research's electron accelerator on weekends...
01:47 PM jymm: Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL8A-5MmRRo
01:47 PM jymm: pcw_home: heh
01:48 PM pcw_home: those are made in a flash... (and bang)
01:51 PM jymm: Tom_L: I have gotten 2ft flames too
01:52 PM jymm: rare though
01:53 PM Tom_L: too much baking soda?
01:54 PM jthornton: Tom_L: neon transformers are what they use around here to make those wood etchings
01:54 PM Tom_L: not sure i kept it..
01:54 PM jymm: Tom_L: the arcs came together (intentionally)
01:55 PM jymm: Tom_L: It's really an art, just play with different things
01:55 PM jymm: Tom_L: But you start getting used to different things easily
01:56 PM Tom_L: all i did with it was a jacob's ladder
01:56 PM jymm: hard woods, soft woods act differently
01:56 PM Tom_L: i'm sure they would
01:56 PM jymm: heavy solution, light solution, etc
01:56 PM Tom_L: why baking soda?
01:57 PM jymm: electrical conductor
01:57 PM jymm: water alone is not conductive. but salt water is
01:57 PM Tom_L: what about saltwater?
01:57 PM Tom_L: i know that
01:58 PM jymm: never tried
01:59 PM Tom_L: try different chemicals, maybe you'd get colored patterns
01:59 PM Tom_L: or blow your roof off
01:59 PM jymm: there is a coil in the transformers that I remove
01:59 PM Tom_L: why?
01:59 PM jymm: can't find the video showing it though
01:59 PM Tom_L: low voltage?
02:00 PM jymm: Not sure, it's just just what I originally saw, but since it's just a few turns I'm guessing so
02:01 PM Tom_L: now i gotta see if i still have that transformer
02:03 PM jymm: https://youtu.be/7lVMnKm5d8Q?t=169
02:11 PM perry_j1987: hmm is fusion360 suppose to show threads being cut in simulation mode??
02:30 PM jym: Tom_L: So, you still alive?
02:31 PM Tom_L: wanna see a fractal arm?
02:31 PM jym: sure
02:31 PM Tom_L: good to want
02:32 PM jym: Ok, then I wont show you the xmfr mod I do
02:32 PM Tom_L: i liked the other transformer better
02:32 PM Tom_L: personally
02:32 PM jym: ok
02:33 PM jym: and when you fry it?
02:33 PM Tom_L: the guy's oil burner one
02:33 PM jym: Heard of it, but no clue what it is
02:34 PM Tom_L: 10kv 23ma
02:34 PM Tom_L: opposed to 2.1kv 500ma
02:34 PM jym: out of what?
02:35 PM Tom_L: latter is the microwave
02:35 PM Tom_L: i dunno
02:35 PM Tom_L: probably from back east somewhere
02:35 PM Tom_L: they burn alot of oil
02:36 PM jym: I've drawn 20A before on certin things, not sure 23mA would do that
02:36 PM Tom_itx: https://www.grainger.com/product/ALLANSON-Oil-Burner-Ignition-Transformer-23M555
02:36 PM Tom_L: that's probably the exact one
02:36 PM jym: 9 micrwave xfrm'ers = free
02:37 PM Tom_L: just saying...
02:37 PM jym: $70, no thanks, they are eventually gonna burn out
02:37 PM jym: as are mine
02:38 PM jym: and I can woree them in series for hight voltage
02:38 PM jym: wire
02:38 PM Tom_L: get the phase right
02:38 PM Tom_L: i did that on my cnc psu
02:39 PM Tom_L: only parallel'd them
02:39 PM jym: what happened?
02:39 PM Tom_L: i'm using it
02:39 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/psu2.jpg
02:39 PM Tom_L: bench test
02:39 PM jym: and if out of phase?/
02:39 PM Tom_L: i'm sure i don't need all 3 of them
02:40 PM Tom_L: parallel, they short
02:40 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure about series
02:40 PM jym: and how do you determine if they are in phase?
02:40 PM Tom_L: i guessed by the wires
02:41 PM jym: ...assuming mixed xmfrs
02:41 PM jym: mis-matched*
02:41 PM Tom_L: i dunno a safe way to find out
02:42 PM jym: I'm guess you can test usinf a step down xmfr on the primary side
02:42 PM Tom_L: i originally had a diode bridge on each one but ended up paralleling them and using one bridge
02:42 PM jym: OR...
02:43 PM jym: connect mains to the secondary side and
02:43 PM Tom_L: the wire might be too fine for that
02:43 PM jym: ha, oh hell no =)
02:44 PM jym: HELLVA lot of amperage then, but use a low load to test like a lightbulb
02:44 PM Tom_L: just be careful. like playing with fire around a can of gasoline
02:45 PM jym: 16:1 ratio (2000 and 110)
02:47 PM jym: Wive the MW xfmr in reverse (120V on the secondary side) shoud give you 7.5V on the primary side
02:47 PM jym: Wire*
02:47 PM jym: Then use a 12V car lightbulb
02:48 PM jym: Or use a 24VAC xmfr on the secondary side, ant that should give you 1.5vac on the primary side
02:55 PM cgi: anyone good with CF hanging in here? (Carbon fibre)
02:56 PM jym: Tom_L: How'ss the storms doing you?
02:59 PM jym: Looks like Tom_L got electrocuted or blown away
03:00 PM jym: or both
03:02 PM Tom_L: storms all week
03:02 PM jym: Tom_L: you hanging in there?
03:03 PM Tom_L: of course
03:03 PM jym: lost power?
03:03 PM Tom_L: had somebody drop by. i'm still alive :)
03:03 PM Tom_L: couple days ago for ~12 hrs
03:03 PM jym: zombie Tom_L
03:03 PM Tom_L: branch fell on the lines and took em down
03:04 PM jym: generator?
03:04 PM Tom_L: funny, i didn't hear the wind at night and i usually do
03:04 PM Tom_L: i just started to get the gen out and the trucks pulled up to fix it
03:04 PM jym: you wanted 12 hours to pull out the gen?
03:04 PM Tom_L: i figured the frig would be good thru the night
03:04 PM jym: waited*
03:04 PM jym: oh, late at night?
03:06 PM Tom_L: i forget what time but they said it would be back on by 2am and it took till 11 the next day
03:06 PM Tom_L: i was up anyway. one kid gets home at 2 and the other gets up to leave at 3
03:06 PM jym: That's way I'm playing with this inverter, for when I can't run the gen at noght, but still want some light/fans running this summer
03:06 PM Deejay: gn8
03:07 PM jym: Deejay: gn9
03:08 PM jym: This 20" whole house fan only draws 80W on low surprisingly
03:08 PM Loetmichel: re from my Uncle... *maaan* i dont think i will ever learn not to tell someone that i am working in IT... "just deliver a singed document to my uncle 100km away... 7 hours later i am back home, having fixed his PC, his smartphone and sold him a notebook i had by accident in my car. Also explained how to use google maps on the smartphone instead of his outdated satnav in the car...
03:10 PM Tom_L: jym, not an attic fan?
03:10 PM jym: Loetmichel: dumbass =)
03:10 PM Tom_L: loovers mounted in the celing type
03:10 PM jym: Tom_L: no attic
03:10 PM Tom_L: i've seen a few of those around here
03:13 PM jym: Well, i have a couple of those fans, LOVE EM
03:14 PM jym: great for drying carpet, airing out places, and just to keep the whole house cool too
03:14 PM jym: and special effects oncce in a while =)
03:15 PM Loetmichel: jym: for what?
03:15 PM jym: fog, halloween = connected to a motion sensor on an enclosed path
03:16 PM jym: ping pong balls =)
03:16 PM jym: streamers
03:16 PM jym: fake storm
03:18 PM jym: Tom_L: 20" whole house fan running off 12v battery https://i.imgur.com/ve2OxBD.jpg
03:18 PM Loetmichel: jym: those big "squirrel cage" fans are dangerous
03:18 PM jym: Loetmichel: see pic above
03:18 PM Tom_L: that's what i had pictured
03:18 PM jym: Loetmichel: Yeah and start a fire with wet wood very easily
03:18 PM Loetmichel: had a problem in a company that the brugular alarm was triggered EVERY night at 2:00
03:19 PM jym: Loetmichel: swap cooler fans =)
03:19 PM Loetmichel: after a lot of searching it turned out that the big squirrel cage fan for the heating furnace sucked enough air out of the building that (if all windows are closed) it rattled on the main door hard enough to trigger the switches
03:20 PM jym: Loetmichel: lol
03:20 PM Tom_L: no fresh air duct for the furnace?
03:21 PM Loetmichel: Tom_L: AFTER we found out what the problem was: yes ;)
03:22 PM jym: lmao
03:22 PM Loetmichel: never occured over day because then there always were open windows and doors
03:22 PM Loetmichel: s/over/during
03:23 PM jym: and the alrm is off during the day, but if EVERY night at 2am, tell you it's environmental
03:23 PM Loetmichel: yes
03:23 PM Loetmichel: at 2:00 the furnace started to heat up the building so its good to go at 0700 when the employees arrive
03:23 PM Loetmichel: :-)
03:24 PM jym: that's nice at least
03:25 PM Loetmichel: took us one or two leaps to get from "alarm triggering" to "vacuum in the building ;)
03:26 PM Loetmichel: to clarify: i was employed by the company that installed the alarm system back then ;)
03:26 PM jym: lol
03:27 PM jym: gloops: get the laser, then you can do stuff like this... https://i.imgur.com/ERKKrvs.png (glass mirror I made)
03:28 PM Tom_L: har har
03:29 PM jym: Tom_L: You approve?
03:29 PM Tom_L: 100%
03:29 PM jym: thank you =)
03:29 PM Loetmichel: looks nice
03:30 PM Loetmichel: but poker, really? do you have a license for that? ;)
03:30 PM jym: Loetmichel: Thank you, took FOREVER to photograph it though
03:30 PM Loetmichel: jym: let me guess: you dont have white ceilings?
03:31 PM jym: Ha, no garage rafters
03:31 PM jym: Ha, no ,garage rafters
03:31 PM Loetmichel: i can relate
03:31 PM Loetmichel: i usually just use photoshop when i have to take pictures of our PC-Monitors
03:32 PM jym: I NEVER photoshop
03:32 PM jym: I might resize/crop, but that's it
03:32 PM Loetmichel: (glass panels in front of the TFT with shielding mesh in, glare displays are a joke compared to that)
03:32 PM Loetmichel: PITA to get no reflections of the surroundings in the glass
03:33 PM Loetmichel: so i gave up, take a picture of the monitor and simply blacken out the display
03:33 PM Loetmichel: or insert a windows logo
03:33 PM Loetmichel: for our product pages
03:33 PM jym: Yeah, I just don't have enough special lighting setup
03:33 PM jym: I don't normally do studio photography
03:34 PM Tom_L: you use lightroom / photoshop?
03:34 PM jym: Me? Never
03:35 PM jym: I don't edit my photos
03:35 PM jym: I do try to get the shot the best I can on the camera though
03:36 PM jym: "TRY" being the key word here =)
03:37 PM jym: I've been fighting/learn difusers for multiple things not just photography for years
03:38 PM jym: difuser, polarizers, etc, but they are expensive
03:39 PM jym: but how in the fuck they do it for ever LCD display on phone/tablets I'll never know
03:40 PM jym: Even on 54" TV's
03:40 PM jym: and not much on google about it either, almost like a trade secret sorta thing
03:43 PM sync: jym: they are a completely different animal
03:45 PM sync: and what means "even"? a LCD does not work without one
03:57 PM jym: sync: They can, but use an overhead projector
04:04 PM sync: even a lcd projector has a polarizer
04:05 PM Loetmichel: jym: lee filters are somewhat cheap
04:06 PM Loetmichel: and they have about everything you will ever need for lighting filters/diffusers/polarizers etc
04:12 PM jym: Loetmichel: but are sold by sq in, not sq feet
04:38 PM CaptHindsight: I'd tell you where I get my filters for <$10ea but then I wouldn't be able to get them for <$10ea :)
04:39 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I would need them in 4x8 feet sheets
04:40 PM CaptHindsight: just polarizing film?
04:40 PM jym: I believe so
04:40 PM jym: https://www.sonycrackle.com/watch/3821/2507263
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: cgi> anyone good with CF hanging in here? (Carbon fibre)
04:47 PM CaptHindsight: cgi: just ask your actual questions
04:48 PM XXCoder: cgi havent returned for a while now
04:53 PM jym: CaptHindsight: What would you do for a klondike bar?
04:54 PM jym: CaptHindsight: (actual question, not make believe)
04:54 PM CaptHindsight: jym: I only eat imaginary frozen dairy treats
04:55 PM jym: CaptHindsight: you poor bastard
04:56 PM jym: CaptHindsight: What about a ramen bomb?
04:56 PM CaptHindsight: jym: If it was amatter of life and eath that some poart of your body had to be reproduced as a frozen dairy product, what part would you choose?
04:56 PM CaptHindsight: eath/death
04:57 PM jym: CaptHindsight: No comment
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: think of the children
04:57 PM jym: CaptHindsight: hense the "no comment" =)
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: the fate of the free world is in your hands
04:58 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Well, let me answer like this... I'd be going out with a smile on my face
05:03 PM jym: Can a clamp-on ac/dc amp meter also read voltage via the clamp typically? I found a klein CL800 at home depot for $110, but they suck for telling the specs and limited "real" reviews
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: jym: the clamp around only measures current
05:05 PM jym: Damn, thanks CaptHindsight
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kleintools.com/catalog/clamp-meters/digital-clamp-meter-acdc-auto-ranging
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: the test leads are used to measure voltage
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: Test leads measure AC/DC voltage, resistance, continuity, frequency and capacitance and tests diodes
05:06 PM CaptHindsight: Thermocouple probe measures temperature
05:06 PM jym: IT would have been a nicety. What is "...ghost or stray voltages" ???
05:06 PM sync: it doesn't really work that way
05:08 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stray_voltage
05:10 PM CaptHindsight: here is one without the Klein quality https://www.harborfreight.com/600A-T-RMS-ACDC-Clamp-Meter-64015.html
05:10 PM jym: CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkHVD-XhwxY
05:12 PM jym: CaptHindsight: so stray/ghost votlages is like is someone miswired a circuit in s swimming pool as example?
05:14 PM CaptHindsight: I don't like to point fingers
05:17 PM jym: CaptHindsight: 2000A CL900
05:18 PM jym: CaptHindsight: But is that an example of "stray voltages"?
05:18 PM jym: touch the railing and get zapped?
05:19 PM jym: I've had that happen touching a PC case while barefoot, miswired circuit I later found out and fixed
05:28 PM jym: The CL800 does 600A, the CL900 does 2000A. If a truck battery is rated at 800 CCA, does that mean the starter inrush can be 800A ?
05:29 PM jym: ve7it: Hi Lawernce
05:30 PM ve7it: hey jym
05:30 PM jym: ve7it: I'm looking at klein clampon meters =)
05:31 PM ve7it: dont know anthing about them... a/c or d/c
05:31 PM jym: ve7it: Me neither, but want to do some DC readings =)
05:33 PM jym: ve7it: I'm just wondering if the extra $30 is worth the 2000A feature =)
05:33 PM jym: vs 600A
05:34 PM jym: ve7it: ... and do I REALLY want to be around a 1000A potential =)
05:34 PM ve7it: 2000A is a LOT... I figure 200A is about all I ever measured (arc welder)
05:34 PM jym: ve7it: I was thinking truck starter (battery rated at 800CCA)
05:38 PM ve7it: yea... could be useful as a performace reference... might help determine if a problem was starter or battery, but most issues I have worked on were corroded ground connections... steel, copper, moisture and d/c current dont play well
05:38 PM jym: QUESTION... If you burn a pile of zombies, does the smoke infect others?
05:39 PM jym: ve7it: Yeah, or attempting to isolate an intermittant issue; Set the meter to Min/MAX and see if you get different reading under different conditons
05:41 PM jym: ve7it: Or even those "jump packs" and do the REALLY give you the rated CCA they say they do
05:41 PM ve7it: for fixed installations like solar installs, I would probably use shunts as required, but for debugging, clamp on sure is nice
05:42 PM jym: ve7it: This would be me first clampon, I've had my fluke forever
05:43 PM jym: ve7it: The CL800 (600A) is $110 at home depot, the Klein CL900 is 2000A for $142
05:44 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Have you used klein meters?
05:45 PM ve7it: not that bad, but that is in USD.... cl900 on amazon.ca is 210.68
05:48 PM ve7it: https://www.amazon.ca/Klein-Tools-CL800-Auto-Ranging-Digital/dp/B019CY4FB4/ref=sr_1_1
05:48 PM ve7it: jym, looks like a nice meter
05:50 PM ve7it: I like that it doesnt use 9v battery, but I hate that it uses AAA.. AA are cheap and common... dont know why they keep using other stuff
06:07 PM CaptHindsight: jym: I have in the past. Klein tools used to be loacted just ouside Chicago.
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kleintools.com/history
06:10 PM jym: ve7it: I HATE AAA, love AA
06:10 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I know klein hand tools are good, just dont' know anything about their T/E
06:10 PM ve7it: me to
06:11 PM jym: ve7it: I've standardized on AA and 18650's for most everything
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: Klein helped win the civil war with pliers
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: the south did not have pliers or if they did it was only one pair that they had to share
06:12 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I'd prefer a gatlin gun over pliers
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: or on a busy day they would only get 1/2 a plier and would only tighten things half way
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: they would return the next day with the other half of the pliers and fully tighten them
06:13 PM jym: ve7it: I found a nice single AA/14500 headlamp if you are interested
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: the south however had cotton, the cotton mill and the gin mill
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: the north had to wear wool
06:13 PM jym: CaptHindsight: who had the moonshine?
06:14 PM jym: CaptHindsight: WHAAAAT?! No polyester leisure suits???
06:14 PM jym: ve7it: 2000A https://www.amazon.com/Resistance-Continuity-Klein-Tools-CL900/dp/B079MV9DRH
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: moonshine was invented so that the southerners could make ethanol at night since their street lights were powered by it
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: without the street light they had to rely on the moon for light at night, hence the term moonshine
06:15 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Did it run their lriding lawn mowers too? They have some BIG ASS LAWNS down there
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: polyester was invented by the Poles right before WWII
06:16 PM XXCoder: huge mower, tiny yard?
06:16 PM XXCoder: oh misred
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: that is why the Axis powers invaded them first
06:16 PM XXCoder: misread
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: little known fact
06:17 PM * jym knows nothing of the civil war
06:17 PM jym: well, something about slavery I think
06:17 PM CaptHindsight: jym: no that would be silly, before the civil war all southern lawns were cotton fields
06:18 PM jym: ah
06:18 PM jthornton: hmm they didn't have lawns, they were afraid of disease being transmitted by bugs so they stripped it down to dirt
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: they tried that again in the 19030's in the west
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: the dustbowl
06:19 PM jym: jthornton: Really?
06:19 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I thought that was due to lack of water?
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: 1930's even
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: yes, when they diverted the direction of the chicago river
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: it made water roll uphill from east to west
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: roll/flow
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: that is why they built the Hoover dam and the Colorado river
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: to keep water on the west side of the USA
06:21 PM jthornton: yea, we stayed at a one of the first buildings in the mississippi valley in Natchez and the nice lady gave us all the history all the way back to slave days
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: it was far less costly than lowering the Rocky Mountains
06:21 PM jym: Then why is california basically a desert without the Calif aquduct?
06:22 PM jym: jthornton: Interesting, I wonder if it was like mosquitos and west nile virus is today
06:23 PM XXCoder: calfornia is huge
06:23 PM XXCoder: north half of it is like oregon, lots trees and wet
06:23 PM CaptHindsight: jym: if you guys could learn to drink and water farms with salt water you wouldn't be having the water problems
06:23 PM jym: XXCoder: But San Diego would be a desert today wouthout the aquaduct
06:24 PM jthornton: and all the history back to the time when the original building was built to get a land claim from the French I think
06:24 PM XXCoder: basically yeah
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: the French were at war with England at the time and they needed $$
06:24 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Then you would have salty nuts!
06:25 PM jym: ...in the shell
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: why Napoleon lost as Waterloo
06:25 PM jthornton: anyway if you built a structure you could get x amount of acres deeded to you
06:26 PM jym: jthornton: I'd totally homestead 10 acres today if I could =)
06:26 PM jthornton: I don't even think you can do that in Alaska any more
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: jym: whereabouts?
06:26 PM jym: jthornton: nope, sadly
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: yah can in Canada
06:27 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I don't know, forest with a year round river?
06:27 PM XXCoder: canada is #2 largest country but people is like one of usa states
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: but that would mean learning French and manners
06:27 PM XXCoder: or is it #4 largest? forgot
06:27 PM jthornton: lol
06:27 PM Tom_L: they have manners?
06:27 PM jthornton: even in the west?
06:27 PM jym: Tom_L: No, they have poutine
06:27 PM jym: ve7it: is Canadian
06:28 PM jthornton: speaking of poutine, time for me to cook some chow
06:28 PM jym: jthornton: what dead flesh over a fire are we having today?
06:29 PM jthornton: cow
06:29 PM XXCoder: mooo
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.canadianaffair.com/blog/how-big-is-canada/
06:29 PM jym: wwwwoohoomooooooooooo
06:29 PM jym: jthornton: What? No gator???
06:29 PM XXCoder: so I was remembering right nice
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area
06:30 PM CaptHindsight: canada beats China by at least 3-4 sq ft
06:31 PM jym: I could do desert, if underground
06:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.canadaimmigrationvisa.com/selfemployed.html
06:32 PM Tom_L: jym the aussies do
06:33 PM jym: Tom_L: Hmmm, they also have the top ten worlds most deadlest creatures there too
06:33 PM XXCoder: i'd love to return to canada (my grandfather immgrated into usa) but canada have far less services for deaf
06:34 PM jym: CaptHindsight: But NOT Darwin California
06:35 PM jym: XXCoder: like what, no CC youtube.ca ???
06:35 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.worldstopexports.com/cheese-exports-country/
06:35 PM CaptHindsight: most think #1 is France
06:36 PM jym: We export cheese????????
06:36 PM jym: oh, my bad... gubermint cheeeeeese
06:37 PM perry_j1987: apparently i need to start tearing my hair out... this thing was boring perfect sized holes this morning and all of sudden now its undersized again
06:37 PM Tom_L: did you re'load anything that didn't get saved?
06:38 PM CaptHindsight: perry_j1987: what was the fix last time?
06:38 PM CaptHindsight: hope it wasn't magic
06:38 PM Tom_L: he had entered inch in the metric tool table
06:38 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Tequilia
06:38 PM CaptHindsight: jym: too much or too little?
06:38 PM Tom_L: i just wondered if it got saved
06:38 PM jym: CaptHindsight: too little
06:38 PM perry_j1987: i doublechecked it
06:39 PM CaptHindsight: speaking of Tequilia, I have to get back to work
06:39 PM XXCoder: more tariffs. india returned tariffs to us, specifically 28 usa goods
06:39 PM XXCoder: ecomony is probably crashing in a bit
06:39 PM jym: XXCoder: like?
06:39 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: cow products
06:39 PM XXCoder: reading
06:40 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, how it Tequilia work related?
06:40 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Cow in a can ?
06:40 PM XXCoder: The increased charges have been imposed on 28 products including chickpeas, phosphoric acid, apples, almonds and walnuts,
06:40 PM XXCoder: nothing on cows.
06:40 PM CaptHindsight: jym: bottles would be silly
06:41 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Bag-O-Moo???
06:41 PM XXCoder: im not sure whats your obession on cows is
06:41 PM jym: XXCoder: There are Indian religion that a cow is sacraed and can't even be physically touched
06:42 PM XXCoder: I know, though im pretty sure touching isnt part of it
06:42 PM jym: XXCoder: it is
06:42 PM XXCoder: im not asking why india thinks it is so, im asking why capt is obessed over it.
06:42 PM XXCoder: entirely different question.
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: jym: pretty much all quadrapeds
06:44 PM CaptHindsight: the people of india use to worship all quadrapeds until they found out how tasty they are
06:44 PM jym: XXCoder: okey touching is permitted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_in_religion_and_mythology
06:45 PM jym: CaptHindsight: ...ten started workshipin them all and having them over for breakfast, lunch, and dinner
06:45 PM CaptHindsight: same reason Moses led the nation of Israel out of bondage in Egypt
06:45 PM jym: no tasty cowssss in egypt?
06:46 PM XXCoder: all cultures have something sacred.
06:46 PM CaptHindsight: ever see a cow idol in an Egyptian tomb?
06:46 PM CaptHindsight: just pyramids and jackals
06:46 PM CaptHindsight: ever taste jackal?
06:49 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Hey, toss in a smoker and everything is tasty
06:50 PM XXCoder: including smoked wood?
06:50 PM jym: XXCoder: Yep, you just have to pick out the arsonic and asbestos
06:50 PM jym: ...and lead
06:51 PM XXCoder: huh?
06:51 PM XXCoder: i dont think all natural wood has asbestos and lead heh
06:51 PM jym: I think they said by the time they are done with the post wildfire cleanup, they will have removed a million pounds off this mountain
06:53 PM jym: They cleanup 100 lots a day, removing the top 4 inches, and said it'll take 3-5 years to complete
06:55 PM Tom_L: but don't you have fires every year?
06:55 PM XXCoder: sucks
06:55 PM jym: Yes, but not like last year
06:55 PM XXCoder: last year man it was nasty
06:55 PM XXCoder: I had to wear mask for 2 weeks
06:55 PM CaptHindsight: why you should clean al the time, you don't clean for 1 million years and it's a big project
06:56 PM jym: PG&E was found to be at fault
06:57 PM XXCoder: what is pg&e
06:57 PM Tom_L: pacific gas & electric
06:57 PM jym: Power and gas company
06:57 PM Tom_L: i'd guess
06:57 PM XXCoder: interesting
06:57 PM XXCoder: some fires in cananda and im bit worried
06:58 PM XXCoder: if it gets bad like last year I have to wear mask for few weeks again. nose gets raw
06:58 PM jym: XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Fire_(2018)
06:58 PM XXCoder: ow
06:58 PM jym: XXCoder: the paper N95 masks?
06:59 PM XXCoder: this region got all ashes from calfornia, oregon own wa state, and canada due to wind patterns
06:59 PM XXCoder: so we had so much ash it was permently "overcast" with no clouds
06:59 PM jym: XXCoder: How to do think it was here 2 miles away?
06:59 PM XXCoder: uh not sure it was rated for say sandblasting and grinding which makes ultrafine dust
06:59 PM CaptHindsight: jym: pretty sure out fearless leader said it was due to not enough raking :)
07:00 PM CaptHindsight: out/our
07:00 PM XXCoder: raking lol
07:00 PM jym: CaptHindsight: lets not go there
07:00 PM CaptHindsight: would I lie?
07:00 PM jym: eh
07:00 PM jym: 2000A meter it is =)
07:05 PM jym: XXCoder: But it's due to the fire that they are having blackouts now, there are already 5 scheduled this month
07:06 PM jym: ...anticipated "high fire risk days"
07:06 PM XXCoder: :( sucks
07:07 PM jym: XXCoder: It was the first time I had to shut off the gen, goto sleep, then wake up and start it back up. Thus the inverter =)
07:08 PM jym: XXCoder: and no way in hell I'd get any sleep at 100F with no fan running
07:09 PM XXCoder: yeah
07:10 PM jym: I need to figure out how to run a gas (propane) line
07:10 PM jym: Like do I NEED 3/4" pipe, or would 1/2" work fine???
07:11 PM XXCoder: i still want power generation, enough for my ac in least
07:11 PM XXCoder: small wind power and solar panels
07:11 PM jym: XXCoder: wHAT SIZE ac?
07:12 PM XXCoder: 2 hose portable
07:12 PM XXCoder: not sure what watts it uses, I guess 800w to 1kw
07:12 PM jym: XXCoder: huh? I mean in BTUS's
07:12 PM XXCoder: window ac and portables have very different watt usages per btu thats why I directly used watts and not btu.
07:13 PM jym: XXCoder: I came across ONE AC that was used with solar
07:14 PM jym: It was only 5000 BTU, but did work with solar where others' wouldn't
07:14 PM jym: XXCoder: can you use swamp coolers?
07:16 PM jym: XXCoder: Those I have personnaly seen used on a off grid setup quite nicely
07:16 PM XXCoder: swap cooler hell no
07:16 PM jym: lol
07:16 PM XXCoder: i hate high humidity
07:18 PM XXCoder: if I recall right it cools by vaporing water into input air correct?
07:18 PM jym: XXCoder: Here you go, ths is the one I was taking about... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaVCNQ_59lM
07:18 PM XXCoder: watching
07:18 PM jym: XXCoder: correct, they work great in desert climates
07:18 PM XXCoder: autocaption is decent
07:19 PM XXCoder: here is fairly abnormal that summer is always drier than winters
07:19 PM XXCoder: i dont mean by amount of water, that increases in summer, but percent
07:19 PM XXCoder: my room can reach 80% humidity in winter and 40% in summer
07:20 PM jym: XXCoder: This is the AC they are talking about... https://www.amazon.com/Frigidaire-FFRE0533S1-Window-Mounted-Mini-Compact-Full-Function/dp/B01B4XUUDI/
07:21 PM XXCoder: not surpised on surges, my room light dims once a while
07:23 PM jym: XXCoder: HE says that aC can run off a 600W solar and decent battery bank for the surge
07:24 PM jym: XXCoder: how big is your solar setup?
07:24 PM XXCoder: zero
07:25 PM XXCoder: im still considering
07:25 PM XXCoder: i wanted combo solar and wind so theres some power during nights to recharge battery
07:25 PM XXCoder: here at some height its alway windy
07:27 PM jym: XXCoder: Maybe start with ine 100W panel you can always add more later on
07:27 PM jym: one*
07:28 PM jym: XXCoder: get a cheap $20 charge controller (MPPT), then can always get a bigger one once you get the hanf of everything
07:28 PM XXCoder: i saw some nice kits for 1kw (400w wind and 600w solar) kit and it was interesting
07:28 PM XXCoder: doesnt come with controller and battery iirc
07:28 PM jym: XXCoder: Make sure to get a MPPT charge controller, not PWM
07:29 PM jym: XXCoder: how much was the kit?/
07:29 PM XXCoder: uhh lets see
07:30 PM XXCoder: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/ECOworthy-1400W-Wind-Solar-Hybrid-System-400W-Wind-Turbine-Generator-1000W-mono-Solar-power-Panel-1KW/33034113632.html
07:30 PM XXCoder: larger kit, 1400w
07:34 PM jym: XXCoder: zero reviews
07:35 PM XXCoder: yeah theres other kits just selected one like one I saw
07:37 PM XXCoder: ohhh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co3bR9Go24I
07:37 PM XXCoder: watching now, not sure what contents it is yet
07:38 PM XXCoder: pretty strightforward build so far
07:39 PM XXCoder: oh adjust so lengths is equal didnt think of that
07:43 PM XXCoder: he put it on tree. geez
07:44 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxE-5Cg3vVU another one, but after 7 months (different guy)
07:46 PM XXCoder: he has nasty words for one company lol
07:59 PM jym: XXCoder: tree taller than pole
07:59 PM XXCoder: sure but wouldnt it regrow and stuff
08:00 PM jym: and the wind doens't care =)
08:00 PM jym: satleetite dishes do though =)
08:01 PM XXCoder: i mean, grow and block blades
08:01 PM jym: looked liek a tempteray setup to me
08:02 PM XXCoder: maybe but nothings as perment as temp solution
08:05 PM jym: Ther permanent solution was returning it
08:07 PM XXCoder: oh didnt see whole thing. why was it returned? erm brb in few mins
08:08 PM jym: 400w turbine only putting out 32W
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: jym: I didn't see the backlog.... what do you need several sq ft of polarizing film for?
08:11 PM jym: CaptHindsight: light difuser
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: polarizing filter is anti-diffuser
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: is this a 20 questions or is there a full answer
08:12 PM jym: CaptHindsight: it's what I've seen (in multiple layers) within a LCD display
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: they use both a diffuser and a polarizer
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: diffuse the backlight for even illumination
08:13 PM CaptHindsight: polarizer works with crystals to block or pass light
08:14 PM jym: CaptHindsight: I don't know the sceince, just wnat even illumintion
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: ok, you just want a diffuser
08:15 PM jym: and I can't see a single film offering that based upon what I've seen thus far
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: what is the light source?
08:15 PM jym: edge lit leds
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: how large a screen?
08:16 PM jym: 24" diag
08:16 PM CaptHindsight: or area you wish to have light diffused over?
08:17 PM jym: 24" x 24"
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: do you have access to a snadblaster?
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: sand even
08:17 PM CaptHindsight: snad would be silly
08:18 PM jym: no, but I have spray on "glass frost"
08:18 PM jym: and a laser =)
08:19 PM jym: ...that can etch glass
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.acplasticsinc.com/categories/light-diffusing-acrylic
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: etch a piece 24 x 24
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: glass or acrylic
08:21 PM CaptHindsight: bbl hasta banana
08:26 PM jym: hasta
08:35 PM XXCoder: jym: wonder why so low
08:37 PM jymm: XXCoder: crap or defective?
08:37 PM XXCoder: maybe. if they cheapened dynimo inside it would make lower power
08:38 PM jymm: no clue how they make things cheaper but they do =)
08:40 PM XXCoder: 90% plastic dynamo. lol
08:40 PM XXCoder: though if it generates even 60% power it'd rock hard actually, since it'd be so cheap everyone can bvuy it
08:40 PM XXCoder: everyone with income anyway
08:59 PM cgi: Anyone who is good with carbon fiber hanging in here?
08:59 PM XXCoder: oh FINALLY youre back
08:59 PM XXCoder: its better to ask question than ask to ask a question
09:00 PM Elmo40: question: 0.9deg or 1.8deg steppers? Do they run slower since the resolution is higher? is the torque higher in one over the other in the same frame?
09:01 PM Tom_L: 1.8 is typically used
09:01 PM XXCoder: slower dunno but .9 needs twice as many steps to travel same distance
09:01 PM XXCoder: keep in mind your computer ability to spam steps
09:02 PM XXCoder: but same time you could use power of 2 less microsteps which may be good, more power for same resolution
09:05 PM Elmo40: i was thinking 1/4 stepping a 0.9deg
09:05 PM XXCoder: workable I'd think
09:18 PM Elmo40: 1/16 is what many people use with 1.8deg motors
09:19 PM Tom_L: my geckos are 1/10
09:19 PM Elmo40: 1/4 stepping a 0.9 is half the resolution.
09:19 PM Elmo40: 1/10 microstepping?
09:20 PM Tom_L: yes, fixed
09:20 PM Elmo40: 1.8deg motors?
09:21 PM Tom_L: yes
09:21 PM Tom_L: iirc 40k steps / inch
09:24 PM Elmo40: 0.4mm/revolution ball screw?
09:24 PM Elmo40: or gear reduced?
09:24 PM Tom_L: i don't remember now but ballscrews yes
09:24 PM Tom_L: 5mm maybe
09:25 PM Elmo40: must be reduced then.
09:25 PM Tom_L: no
09:25 PM Tom_L: direct
09:25 PM Elmo40: that is crazy fine. is it needed?
09:25 PM Tom_L: Z is 3:1
09:26 PM Tom_L: whatever those chinaco screws are
09:26 PM Tom_L: i thought they were 5mm pitch
09:30 PM Tom_L: i know i haven't stalled them yet
09:32 PM jym: Tom_L: using what PS ?
09:32 PM Tom_L: ps?
09:32 PM jym: power supply
09:32 PM Tom_L: 48v 18A that homemade one i showed you
09:32 PM Tom_L: 2.5A to the steppers
09:32 PM jym: no caps?
09:32 PM Tom_L: they're good for 5A
09:32 PM Tom_L: yes there's caps
09:33 PM jym: where did you get those xmrfs from?
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: I use 0.9 deg steppers often
09:33 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/control1.jpg
09:33 PM CaptHindsight: using some now with 2:1 reduction
09:34 PM Tom_L: i don't think i need 3:1 on Z but i wasn't sure at first
09:34 PM Tom_L: and i don't think i need to bump up the current to the steppers either
09:35 PM Tom_L: jym, those are all surplus parts
09:35 PM jym: local?/
09:35 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:35 PM jym: nice
09:35 PM Tom_L: i bet i could get by with 1 xfrmr
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/FESTO-MINI-SLIDE-EGSL-BS-55-200-12-7P-WITH-ALLEN-BRADLEY-VPL-B0631U-PK14AA/253990227211 $400 or best
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: somebody might have a use for these
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: the positioners are $2K ea and the servos about the same
09:37 PM CaptHindsight: they were never used
09:37 PM CaptHindsight: machine was assembled but never run
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: 489V servos 8k rpm 0.42 Hp
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: 489V
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: hah 480 even
09:38 PM jym: CaptHindsight: is that your company?
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: no, I'm not in Mi
09:39 PM CaptHindsight: I talked the guys there
09:40 PM CaptHindsight: i was looking for something similar then i decided to build my own
09:40 PM jym: oh
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ALLEN-BRADLEY-AC-SERVO-MOTOR-VPL-B0631U-PK14AA-VPL-B0631U-PK14AA/253089067997 the servos on their own are only $50 less
09:41 PM jym: i thought you were talking about the ebay post, cause I didn't see that in the description
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: I be talkin bout the ebay post
09:42 PM jym: the linear actuater?
09:42 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: the cf guy was back but clammed up right after i asked
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: yup
09:42 PM XXCoder: i dont know if guy is actually seeking an answer.
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: sounds very trollish
09:42 PM jym: CaptHindsight: no use and too pricy for me even if a deal
09:42 PM jym: Hey...
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: do you have prince edward in a can?
09:43 PM XXCoder: I remember one time theres bot that come in each exact hour and asked a question
09:43 PM XXCoder: and left
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: you better let him out :)
09:43 PM XXCoder: bot lasted for months, and never missed a hour
09:43 PM XXCoder: cgi: you still in?
09:43 PM jym: I have one of those mibility scooters and want to turn it into a go cart, what kind of controller could I use?
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: CF troll
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: compact flash hanger
09:44 PM jym: I'm serious
09:45 PM jym: It works, just REALLY slow
09:45 PM XXCoder: bigger motor.
09:45 PM XXCoder: way bigger.
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/supercharged-lt5
09:45 PM jym: There is some programmer to change the settings on it, but I don't have one
09:46 PM jym: and I doubt it wiould let me go WAY out of range
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: 755 HP @6400 RPM
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: 715 LB/FT @5000 RPM
09:46 PM jym: XXCoder: I think it's just throttled back intentionally
09:47 PM jym: no flying grandma's sorta thing
09:47 PM XXCoder: hmm ok
09:48 PM XXCoder: no jtag stuff to extract data and modify?
09:51 PM jym: XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFG2rReDc-4
09:52 PM XXCoder: i see
09:55 PM jym: XXCoder: Yeah, so I thinkit's just software limited
09:55 PM XXCoder: yeah so what remains is figuring how to commucate with it
09:56 PM XXCoder: expecially if you dont wnna pony up money for that device
09:56 PM jym: XXCoder: It has to be SPI as there is only three pins on the charging jack it plugs into
09:57 PM jym: A gut on ebay was renting one at one time, but I want to exceed the limits =)
09:57 PM jym: or replace the controller
09:57 PM XXCoder: later may be more likely
09:57 PM jym: but with what is my question, no clue
09:57 PM XXCoder: I remember one device you had to set it to certain reistance level between 2 pins for it to allow commucation
10:01 PM jym: https://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/Products/Mobility-Vehicle-Solutions/Programmers
10:01 PM XXCoder: very expensive.
10:02 PM jym: https://www.cw-industrialgroup.com/Products/Mobility-Vehicle-Solutions/Programmers/PC-Programming/Mobility-PC-Programmer
10:03 PM jym: "The Manufacturing version allows full configuration of a control system's technical parameters."
10:03 PM XXCoder: yeah it still doesnt say price
10:03 PM XXCoder: that tells me that its pricy
10:03 PM jym: Yeah, but maybe if I say I'm making a gocart, they might give me a "evaluation" copy =)
10:04 PM Tom_L: pffft please
10:04 PM XXCoder: it'll be just case and dummy wire
10:06 PM jym: Tom_L: All they can do is laugh and hang up
10:15 PM Elmo40: Tom_L, you have any of those rubber damper mounts for your motors?
10:16 PM Elmo40: i've put them on a buddy's 3D printer. really cleaned up the 'ringing'.
10:17 PM Tom_L: no
10:17 PM Tom_L: i don't notice any harmonics from the frame
10:18 PM Tom_L: the steppers are all hard mounted to the frame
10:19 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/StepperMount2.jpg
10:19 PM Tom_L: there's the makings of the Y axis mount
10:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/X_MotorMount3.jpg
10:23 PM Tom_L: X
10:39 PM jym: XXCoder: $3350 for sotfwareee
10:39 PM Tom_L: no hobby discounts?
10:39 PM XXCoder: cheeap
10:40 PM XXCoder: thats quite expensive, I guess only go kart maintance or production companies would buy it.
10:41 PM jym: who knows
10:41 PM Elmo40: who's software?
10:53 PM jym: XXCoder: if you care... https://scooterland.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/newVSI-manual.pdf
10:54 PM jym: XXCoder: 50A controller
10:54 PM XXCoder: not expecially but im bored
10:54 PM Elmo40: 50A?? damn. that is powerful.
10:54 PM XXCoder: lets see whats at page 7
10:54 PM XXCoder: erm 17
10:55 PM XXCoder: Programming should only be conducted by healthcare professionals with in-depth knowledge of PGDT electronic controllers. Incorrect programming could result in an unsafe set-up of a wheelchair for a user. PGDT accepts no liability for losses of any kind if the programming of the controller is altered from factory pre-set values.
10:55 PM XXCoder: pretty strong warning
10:55 PM XXCoder: and thats it in that section
10:56 PM jym: It's no longer a wheelchair so that doens't apply =)
10:56 PM XXCoder: oh theres more later on
10:56 PM XXCoder: after yet another copy of above warning
10:56 PM jym: it's the "fences" that are what I need access to
10:56 PM XXCoder: yet another warning
10:58 PM XXCoder: interesting. cant you make it "always inside" by hacking a wire that enables or disables
10:58 PM jym: inside?
10:59 PM jym: indoor use/speeds?
10:59 PM XXCoder: no, be always within "fences" '
10:59 PM jym: No the fneces are set at factory and are the MAX LIMITS for the controller to the manufacture that buysss them
11:00 PM jym: so no service guy and fuck em up and sue the company
11:01 PM XXCoder: interesting
11:01 PM Elmo40: is all the power in the joystick controller?
11:01 PM Elmo40: or are there things near the motors&batteries?
11:02 PM jym: all in the controller
11:03 PM Wolf__: 50A peak? what voltage/motors?
11:04 PM Elmo40: 12V, arent they?
11:04 PM Elmo40: maybe 24
11:04 PM Wolf__: 24v typical
11:04 PM jym: 2x 12V batteries (in series)
11:05 PM Wolf__: I have a project or 3 using power scooter/wheelchairs as base
11:06 PM jym: If I can get my hands of the manufacturing programming software, I might be able to have soem fun
11:06 PM Wolf__: which have been pushed back to top of my to do list now that I have 12x 35ah 12v SLA batts from auction
11:06 PM jym: Wolf__: new batteries?
11:06 PM Wolf__: yup
11:06 PM jym: how much?
11:07 PM XXCoder: jym: ebay?
11:07 PM jym: Wolf__: how much did you get them for?
11:07 PM Elmo40: $45 each at my supplier
11:07 PM Elmo40: maybe 55
11:07 PM Elmo40: they arent all that expensive
11:08 PM jym: I'm thinking marine batteries
11:08 PM Elmo40: if you aren't fixed on size, get an automotive AGM battery.
11:08 PM Elmo40: why marine?
11:08 PM Elmo40: they arent anything special
11:08 PM Wolf__: cheap, I’m looking it up
11:08 PM Elmo40: 'deep cell' and all that... it is all about the CA.
11:08 PM jym: deep cycle are menat to be drained down. car are not
11:09 PM Elmo40: it is all the same
11:09 PM Elmo40: lead acid
11:09 PM jym: thicker plates
11:09 PM Elmo40: sure. thicker plates. doesnt mean they are meant to be drained
11:09 PM Elmo40: they simply store more power
11:09 PM jym: Elmo40: Maybe, but I'll be killing them softly =)
11:09 PM Elmo40: why not get a tractor trailer battery.
11:10 PM jym: which is what?
11:10 PM Elmo40: just massive in size
11:10 PM Elmo40: or forklift battery!
11:10 PM jym: 12v?
11:10 PM Wolf__: 16 bats, 4x 70, 4x @ 80, 8x @180
11:11 PM jym: 4x 70??? 70 AH ???
11:11 PM jym: or 7.0AH ???
11:11 PM Wolf__: https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/equiprec/catalogue-id-equipm1-10001/lot-dcb93735-00ce-4103-939f-a9ee010a5a54
11:11 PM Elmo40: same myths keep popping up about diesel oil being better at protecting a race engine compared to gasoline oil...
11:11 PM Wolf__: $70 for lot of 4
11:12 PM Elmo40: $90 for 4? good price
11:12 PM Elmo40: ++ fees...
11:12 PM jym: Wolf__: good deal
11:12 PM Wolf__: yup, still came out ahead big time on just the 35ah
11:13 PM jym: Wolf__: why are you getting 16 batteriesS?
11:13 PM Wolf__: cause I won 4 lots lmao
11:13 PM jym: Wolf__: and you only needed one battery? lol
11:14 PM Wolf__: I have 3 wheelchairs w/ dead batteries so thats 6 batts there
11:14 PM jym: ah ok
11:14 PM jym: Wolf__: any of them hoverrounds?
11:14 PM Wolf__: if I build something bigger, I can always do a 2s2p
11:14 PM Wolf__: yeah, one hover round and 2 jazzys
11:15 PM jym: Wolf__: I have a MVP5 fwiw
11:15 PM Elmo40: apparently a 48" X 20’ x 6" Z MOVING GANTRY router table going up for auction Begins at $10,000!!
11:15 PM Wolf__: https://www.robotshop.com/en/sabertooth-dual-2x32a-6v-24v-regenerative-motor-driver.html I might give this a shot for one of the bases
11:17 PM jym: Wolf__: Please let me know how that works for you
11:17 PM Wolf__: I also got a ebay lot of “dead” 2x12A basic micro older motor drivers on the idea to use the controller to run a daughter board H-bridge with higher amp mosfets and larger current shunts
11:18 PM jym: Wolf__: This NewVSI controller is rated at 50A it seems, I'd love to see if I can get some speed out of the stock motors =)
11:18 PM Wolf__: jym: should work ok, the 2x32A is all over youtube running hacked wheelchairs, tho most of the video makers are clueless and didn’t bother to use the onboard output to unlock the brakes
11:19 PM jym: lmao
11:19 PM jym: Wolf__: link?
11:19 PM jym: Wolf__: I'm JUST getting started in this, and would love to know what this MVP5 can REALLY do
11:20 PM jym: and I need to get snow tires for it too =)
11:20 PM Wolf__: on the hover round its not a issue b/c the brakes have disconnect levers but on the rest like the jazzy with 90 deg gear motors they use mag brakes and the brake over ride disconnects the drive gear
11:20 PM Wolf__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3zu2-2-E9Y
11:20 PM jym: looking...
11:21 PM Wolf__: here is one of them
11:21 PM Wolf__: most of the vids I have seen are just chair bases being driven around lol
11:26 PM jym: Wolf__: I saaw a USB port on that sabertooth, iss it programmable?
11:26 PM Wolf__: yup
11:26 PM jym: free software? lol
11:27 PM jym: Hmmm, just need a 3rd channel for arm up/down now =)
11:27 PM Wolf__: https://www.dimensionengineering.com/products/sabertooth2x32 looks like it
11:29 PM jym: Ohhhhhh arduino libs... https://www.dimensionengineering.com/info/arduino
11:29 PM jym: brb
11:31 PM jym: back
11:31 PM Wolf__: jym: why I might want a bunch of batts https://i.imgur.com/O3CnWmh.jpg
11:31 PM jym: Wolf__: ah, heh
11:32 PM jym: will those tracks do snow?
11:32 PM Wolf__: will but tracks kinda suck in snow really
11:32 PM jym: ah
11:32 PM Wolf__: low ground pressure = easy to slip
11:32 PM jym: It be nice if I could use my phone to drive the thing
11:33 PM jym: like with an ESP8266 wifi module
11:33 PM jym: onscreen virtual joystick pad
11:33 PM Wolf__: https://www.surpluscenter.com/Wheels/Wheel/Pneumatic-Wheels/15x5-00-6-Pair-Of-Lug-Wheels-1-5116.axd or the likes for snow IMO
11:33 PM jym: or an ESP32
11:34 PM jym: those look nice for snow mud
11:35 PM jym: Wolf__: I hate you btw... lmao
11:36 PM Wolf__: I kinda have in mind a 4-5hp walk behind linetrimmer/mower + wheelchair motors and rc drive for one of the projects
11:36 PM Wolf__: lol
11:36 PM jym: Wolf__: I have one of these that the arm will fit the hoverround https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/eefda086-1ac3-4b23-9e56-0a11423bad18_1.2a7557ef39635ab575bc564b79e61540.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF
11:37 PM jym: Wolf__: So, can toss the extra batteris and fanuc arm robot in it =)
11:37 PM Wolf__: lol
11:37 PM Wolf__: nice
11:38 PM jym: Wolf__: have you plated with the mvp5 yet?
11:39 PM Wolf__: little bit
11:39 PM jym: Wolf__: I want to know what the stock motors can do speed wise
11:39 PM jym: fuck the stock controller lmao
11:39 PM Wolf__: really I’m not sure
11:39 PM jym: yeah, me neither
11:40 PM Wolf__: its not going to be super fast tho
11:40 PM jym: Eh,, still might be worth it, if I cna get real batteries and snow tires
11:41 PM Wolf__: I dont remember which model I have, the joystick has the motor controller built in on mine tho
11:42 PM jym: Yeah, it's all int he jotstick box - 4 button ???
11:42 PM Wolf__: yeah think so
11:42 PM jym: same nere
11:42 PM Wolf__: iirc its only running like 35A FETS in it
11:43 PM jym: the manual says 50A - https://scooterland.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/newVSI-manual.pdf
11:43 PM jym: Wolf__: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
11:43 PM Wolf__: thats probably peak for 1ms before the fet turns to smoke lol
11:44 PM jym: you think they would do that?
11:44 PM Wolf__: it probably has current limiting built in
11:44 PM jym: seems like a quality company
11:44 PM jym: it does
11:44 PM jym: programmable
11:44 PM Wolf__: I know it has too many safeties to bother trying to hack the thing lol
11:45 PM jym: all are programmable though... *IF* you can get the software
11:45 PM XXCoder: i wonder if someone made custom controller board for that thing
11:46 PM Wolf__: yeah, I looked at that route, abandoned it when I realized that I can get 3 2x100A controllers for what the software would probably cost lol
11:47 PM _unreal_: I hope I'm not sick
11:47 PM _unreal_: ust started feeling off
11:48 PM jym: Wolf__: yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3zu2-2-E9Y
11:50 PM Wolf__: really, soon as I saw that he used wire nuts on the bot I knew this guy only sorta knows what he is doing lol
11:51 PM jym: maybe he was testing?
11:52 PM Wolf__: *shrug*