#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 17 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
02:08 AM Deejay: moin
02:32 AM Loetmichel: maan, sometimes i hate my job. Have to design a dual thin client all in one PC... with a secure KVM switch integrated... cant open that thing because "secure"... also it has a remote control port there is no actual remote control yet by the manufacturer... NO idea how i am supposed to get the switch buttons to the front panel... and HELL will that be full in that enclosure... (prototype is
02:32 AM Loetmichel: resting on the display frame) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17346&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 ... and its ugly, too :-)
03:49 AM rmu: Loetmichel: make a mold, fill it with motherboards and epoxy, and cover it with aluminium foil afterwards ;)
03:57 AM Loetmichel: rmu: hmm? i doubt that would work
03:58 AM Loetmichel: in the end it will look somewhat like THAT just dual head and with 2 clients inside so they can work in two different "secure" networks: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
04:04 AM rmu: it would be secure
04:10 AM Loetmichel: *HRRRMPH* sometimes i want some of the stuff my coworkers apparently smoke... one just called me in the workshop: "ahem, i made a small mistake..." -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17349&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- HOW?
04:12 AM Loetmichel: ... and more important: WHY?
04:16 AM XXCoder: hulk-up-pot
04:19 AM rmu: seems pink-vampire was there
04:22 AM XXCoder: oh yeah forgot about vampire strength indeed
04:23 AM Loetmichel: hrhr
04:36 AM jthornton: morning
04:39 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton im finally back lol
04:42 AM jthornton: where were you?
04:43 AM XXCoder: home or work. with no internet
04:46 AM jthornton: what happened?
04:47 AM XXCoder: my bro's autopay system broke down 2 mpnths ago lol
04:47 AM XXCoder: and he was at east coast so couldnt call or do anything till he returned.
04:47 AM jthornton: lol
04:47 AM XXCoder: perfect timing
05:42 AM Tom_L: morning
05:42 AM jthornton: morning
05:42 AM Tom_L: overslept
05:43 AM XXCoder: overslept
05:51 AM Tom_L: looks like rain your way jt
05:51 AM Tom_L: i thought we were supposed to get some
05:52 AM jthornton: yea tonight and tomorrow, going to get the Bluewing inspected this morning hope it holds off
05:52 AM Tom_L: nice n windy yesterday i figured it was moving in
05:53 AM jthornton: started out to cut a dead tree down yesterday morning, rigged up some ropes to make sure it does not fall on the new shop and the hurricane winds showed up so no cutting
05:54 AM Tom_L: hopefully it held up thru them
05:54 AM Tom_L: never did care for cutting dead wood
05:55 AM jthornton: yea me neither but I have 5 dead trees to cut down and one is a huge white oak
05:56 AM XXCoder: plan to make planks and dry em out?
05:56 AM jthornton: yea the big white oak we will saw up at my buddies place down the road he has a saw mill
05:57 AM Tom_L: figured it might get used for something besides heat
05:58 AM jthornton: I have a lot of hickory trees at my buddies place to cut down that are perfect for firewood he wants some clear lanes for hunting and I get firewood
05:59 AM Tom_L: you probably don't have many hedge trees over there
05:59 AM Tom_L: it's nice hard wood but pops alot
05:59 AM Tom_L: just about every farm row here had them
06:02 AM jthornton: I have mostly hickory, white and red oak, black walnut, cedar, juniper and some softwood types down by the creek
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10:38 AM Joe_Hildreth: At the risk of sounding dumb, if Wheezy is at EOL with no security updates, will the install media be changed to something else?
10:38 AM Joe_Hildreth: I thought I remember seeing a link to a Jessie or newer iso for LCNC. An I imagining that?
10:39 AM x2s: well, there is a branch for Debian Buster and I've got it running with Buster and a rt-kernel
10:40 AM x2s: but Debian removed some packages necessary to build and run linuxcnc and I had to create them myself
10:40 AM Joe_Hildreth: That may be beyond my skill set. :-)
10:41 AM x2s: Sadly rtai doesn't seem to get updates anymore (or at least I haven't seen them). I guess rtai would be better than the rt-stuff in the mainline kernel.
10:42 AM Joe_Hildreth: Where does uspace fit in the puzzle?
10:43 AM jthornton: Joe_Hildreth: there is a stretch livecd
10:44 AM Joe_Hildreth: John, Awesome, do you have a link? Or can a link to it be provided in the downloads docs?
10:44 AM jthornton: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
10:44 AM jthornton: that's for 2.7 only
10:45 AM jthornton: my instructions to build debian 9 or linux mint 19 http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/index.html
10:46 AM Joe_Hildreth: When you say for 2.7 only, does that mean 2.7 and newer or only 2.7.x release of LCNC? Sorry if I sound ignorant. :-)
10:46 AM jthornton: no one is currently working on a new livecd that I know of
10:47 AM jthornton: the stretch iso is 2.7, you can change it to master but it might be easier to just follow my instrucions for the os and verions you want
10:49 AM Joe_Hildreth: Looking at your page, I see Deb 7, 9 and mint. Does this work for any deb based OS like *buntu?
10:49 AM jthornton: I've only built the ones listed, the others you would have to try yourself
10:50 AM * jthornton heads back out to the shop
10:50 AM Joe_Hildreth: ok. Thank you for the links sir.
11:16 AM xunil: hi folks, anyone using a torch height control system on a plasma machine with linuxcnc?
11:21 AM Tom_L: i'm sure someone is
11:22 AM xunil: lots of folks on the forums are, was just hoping for a more real-time conversation about it :)
11:23 AM Tom_L: i'd ask what you want and wait for an answer. someone will show up sooner or later
11:23 AM xunil: my friend built a table and i've just gotten the axes moving with a Mesa 7i92... have a Mesa THC card hooked up, and i had started with the external offsets branch, but it sounds like the 'hpid' solution is deprecated and there's a newer component
11:24 AM xunil: just wondering what others are using for tying the THC feedback to the Z axis, and how it's working for them
11:24 AM xunil: and the procedure they use for tuning it
11:25 AM Tom_L: skunkworks has a video of it somewhere
11:25 AM Tom_L: following a corrugated sheet of metal
11:25 AM xunil: sweet :)
11:25 AM Tom_L: that it is
11:25 AM xunil: i'd be happy with the torch just not plunging into the sheet i'm trying to cut
11:26 AM xunil: (poorly tuned PID on the hpid config i'm using right now)
11:35 AM Tom_L: don't think this was his but it's quite similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6CfbUH9IIE
11:36 AM xunil: that's really impressive!
11:36 AM xunil: i'm curious about the cylinder pointing out to the right on that bracket, too, i wonder if it's a proximity switch for height sensing
11:37 AM xunil: i still need to figure something out for that for my friend's machine.
11:38 AM Tom_L: CaptHindsight do you do plasma?
11:38 AM Tom_L: xunil is wondering about THC
11:41 AM xunil: i have to step away for a little bit but i'll check back later.
11:42 AM Tom_L: there are logs if you miss it
11:56 AM roycroft: i finished making the power unit for my belt grinder last night
11:56 AM roycroft: i have some fasteners arriving today, then i'll be able to mount the motor and idler wheel
11:56 AM roycroft: and i'll make the platen this weekend
11:56 AM roycroft: my welds are wicked strong, but pretty ugly
11:57 AM roycroft: tig welding is fun, but requires some finesse that i have not yet attained
11:57 AM roycroft: i'm not sticking the electrode every 2.74 seconds any more, though
11:57 AM roycroft: that's progress?
12:00 PM roycroft: i'm also spending less time grinding welds than welding, so also progress? :)
12:10 PM CaptHindsight: somewhere there's a component for real time Z (or other axis) offsets for THC and other applications
12:10 PM CaptHindsight: have to look for it
12:11 PM CaptHindsight: real time or real time-ish
12:15 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TVK_OniJ4
12:16 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIGB2wvBXw
12:17 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=350lz7KiyI0
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.migatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/RPS-412A_Analog_Voltage_Rev_3.pdf
12:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.migatron.com/
12:34 PM CaptHindsight: Fraunhofer wrote a paper on what I've been doing with LCNC for 15 years https://3dprint.com/241626/testing-an-inkjet-printing-robot-on-curved-3d-printed-surfaces/
01:12 PM likevinyl is now known as Guest25535
03:24 PM Connor: pcw_home: Got someone working with a 6i25. Converting the machine from Mach3 to LinuxCNC. 2000DSLS from Micro Proto Systems. Was using a UC100 (USB Parallel port emulator thing, but the 2000DSLS can use standard ParPort. She says it's not seeing the card.
03:24 PM Connor: Need to get the 6i25 setup to work as a generic ParPort I guess??
03:24 PM Connor: I've always used it with a 7i76.. so, I'm not sure.
03:36 PM JT-Shop: flash it with the g540 firmware
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: issues # 1: USB --> LPT emulation won't work in real time
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: check the pinouts
03:40 PM Connor: That was Mach3 and the UC100 had specific drivers to make it work.
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: i have a few more questions so that I comprehend what it is you are trying to do
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: the 6i25 is a PCIe FPGA card attached to the PC, what is attached to the I/O of the 6i25?
03:42 PM Connor: Converting a Mach3 lathe to LinuxCNC. Ditching the UC100 USB--to-ParaPort for a 6i25
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: http://store.mesanet.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=58
03:43 PM Connor: It's plugging into the proprietary controller unit which can use a parallel port.
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: ah, it expects to see LPT connections and signals
03:44 PM Connor: Yup. So. Out with the UC100, in with a 6i25
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: what signals does the proprietary controller expect to see on the LPT connector?
03:48 PM Connor: I'm not sure. I don't have the 2000DSLS manual in front of me.
03:49 PM CaptHindsight: the 6i25 has a physical connector just like an LPT port but how is LCNC going to send control signals and what control signals to your proprietary controller?
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: anyway bbl
03:50 PM Connor: It's expecting a parallel port.
03:50 PM Connor: I dont know the mappings right off the top of my head.
03:58 PM Deejay: gn8
04:14 PM gloops: TheSun
04:14 PM gloops: 2h2 hours ago
04:14 PM gloops: Brits to bask in 25C Easter weekend SCORCHER hotter than Rhodes
04:16 PM gloops: 80F in april - usually July temps
04:25 PM * JT-Shop must be cloaked...
04:32 PM Tom_L: storms moving in here this evening
04:33 PM Tom_L: AF evacuating planes because of it so they must mean it
04:36 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, get your tree cut?
04:59 PM JT-Shop: yea, a bit of a break in the wind and we slowly laid it down it was cool
05:10 PM JT-Shop: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/qQAvCOhOpohbVCbLFXciUMuy
05:10 PM JT-Shop: got 4 more dead to cut down and one is huge!!!
05:18 PM Tom_L: plenty of firewood
05:21 PM JT-Shop: plus all the wood I'm cutting at my buddies place...
05:21 PM JT-Shop: going to make some of those round wood stacks
05:50 PM Tom_L: round tuit
05:55 PM jthornton: I have one of those around here somewhere...
05:55 PM jthornton: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QhsXuZAdHFJIKmtJwMrXYGZX
05:58 PM Tom_L: i think i've taken the macro about as far as i can
05:58 PM Tom_L: without physical testing
05:58 PM Tom_L: i think it's doen
06:00 PM jthornton: cool
06:09 PM jthornton: Saturday and Sunday look like nice days here
06:16 PM Tom_L: that translates to Friday & Saturday here
06:16 PM Tom_L: then 50% chance of rain
06:19 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Smartcam/arc_leadin_percent1.jpg
06:19 PM Tom_L: those percentages look pretty close to me
06:24 PM jthornton: yep they look right to me too
07:06 PM Lcvette: pcw_home: got the HP 8300 USDT setup, this look on par?
07:06 PM * Lcvette uploaded an image: chris-17Apr2019-2560.png (40KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/PzfMrxMGIkRApVuXGEpztKQe >
07:52 PM ve7it: Jymmm, hey
08:06 PM commavir_ is now known as commavir
09:22 PM elmo40: Tom_L, is that helical cutting for threading or basically anything?
09:23 PM elmo40: helical milling is very efficient. no stepping lines.
09:23 PM Tom_L: i wrote it for thread milling, i suppose you could adapt it for anything
09:27 PM elmo40: will it only do circles?
09:29 PM Tom_L: yes
09:29 PM Tom_L: it's a macro for my cad cam. i doubt anyone else could use it
09:29 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop is working on a more open solution though
09:30 PM Tom_L: using QtPyVCP
09:40 PM Lcvette: what do you use to make a linuxcnc install thmbdrive from a windows machine?
09:41 PM Lcvette: Tom_L: ?
09:49 PM Tom_L: i've only done it once or twice
09:49 PM Tom_L: just a sec
09:49 PM Tom_L: from an iso?
09:50 PM Lcvette: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
09:50 PM Lcvette: think this is what i used the last time
09:50 PM Tom_L: i want to say rufus or something like that
09:50 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:51 PM Tom_L: https://rufus.ie/
09:52 PM Tom_L: what are you burning to it?
09:53 PM Lcvette: 4gb thumb
09:53 PM Tom_L: what target iso?
09:53 PM Lcvette: the uspace stretch test
09:54 PM Tom_L: i'm pretty sure i used rufus for one i did once
09:54 PM Tom_L: i've used it more but not for lcnc
09:55 PM Lcvette: i used rufus in the past but i had problems with the stretch iso using it
09:56 PM Tom_L: ok
10:14 PM Rab: I just use dd, what am I missing??
10:18 PM Lcvette: yeah but that renders it useless for anything else
10:19 PM Rab: Oops, sorry "from a windows machine"
10:20 PM Kevin`: there's plenty of installers that aren't compatible with random files existing on a drive. you'll have an easier time if you resign yourself to reformatting the drive afterwords to put random files files on it
10:21 PM Lcvette: https://www.balena.io/etcher/
10:21 PM Lcvette: bar none the best one ive ever used
10:21 PM Lcvette: simple easy and works
10:22 PM Lcvette: i have seevral laying around myself but trying to help windows buddy's load linuxcnc for the first time is challenging when they don't know much of what they are doing
10:22 PM Lcvette: that link simplifies things, kinda idiot proofs it
10:23 PM Lcvette: lol
10:28 PM Tom_L: i marked it for future reference
10:31 PM elmo40: can't unebootin?
10:32 PM pcw_home: Lcvette: That looks about the same as mine, for Ethernet you do need to disable AMT in the BIOS and do the IRQ coalescing trick shown in the hm2_eth manual page
10:37 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/SWwBQNHacVULRkAoaLoiNmht >
10:37 PM Lcvette: this?
10:37 PM Lcvette: oh
10:37 PM Lcvette: whats AMT?
10:38 PM Lcvette: i disabled power savign stuff that i saw
10:39 PM Lcvette: pcw_home:
10:39 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bxGESJiYaHpdNOeTTPYasrON >
10:39 PM Lcvette: this trick?
10:40 PM pcw_home: yes, that's needed for Intel MACs
10:41 PM Lcvette: so just add it under the other network thing?
10:41 PM Lcvette: or replace part of it?
10:41 PM pcw_home: AMT is something that needs to be disabled in the BIOS
10:41 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ZNuZsZjqYzUSVJyDNIfuSnZd >
10:43 PM Lcvette: so make it like this?
10:43 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/iQtLGLlLpDdgRxaBIVtgxHWD >
10:43 PM pcw_home: yes the last one (plus disable AMT in the BIOS)
10:44 PM Lcvette: will that mess up the wifi?
10:44 PM pcw_home: no, its unrelated
10:45 PM Lcvette: so i can add it to the bottom
10:45 PM Lcvette: or replace the top section
10:45 PM pcw_home: you cannot access it anyway except the BIOS
10:45 PM Lcvette: not the AMT
10:45 PM Lcvette: the network stuff
10:45 PM Lcvette: lol
10:46 PM pcw_home: the IRQ stuff is interface specific
10:46 PM Lcvette: i had to do the fix already to fix the hang on boot
10:46 PM Lcvette: which is the top 4 lines
10:46 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/mtICkeyyoSqNsmMkJOmfMAqI >
10:48 PM pcw_home: sure your internet interface will normally use DHCP (or IPV6) but the Mesa card interface must be static IPV4
10:50 PM Lcvette: wait is this the thing that i had to do on the other machine and make it 10.10.10.1 or wsomething?
10:50 PM pcw_home: yes
10:50 PM Lcvette: ah.. coming back to me
10:50 PM pcw_home: 10.10.10.x is preferable to 192.168.1.x
10:50 PM Lcvette: so i can change that 192.168.1.1 to
10:50 PM Lcvette: ok
10:50 PM Lcvette: lol
10:51 PM pcw_home: less likely to overlap DHCP ranges
10:52 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/MULsJHWEQSnNjFGugSQJKofZ >
10:53 PM Tom_L: Lcvette is this on stretch?
10:54 PM Lcvette: yes
10:54 PM Tom_L: i set mine up from the gui
10:54 PM Lcvette: ?
10:54 PM Lcvette: what gui?
10:54 PM Tom_L: mate
10:55 PM Lcvette: dunno that
10:55 PM Jymmm: ve7it: yo
10:55 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/WKLKQZyyLDPOERioDNPYpHZK >
10:55 PM Lcvette: this look right?
10:55 PM ve7it: how goes it?
10:56 PM Tom_L: looks like it without checking
10:56 PM ve7it: Jymmm, https://youtu.be/y9J-H_V2FgU banggood brilliance
10:57 PM Tom_L: Lcvette do you have 2 ethernet cards?
10:57 PM Lcvette: have a mini pcie wifi
10:57 PM Lcvette: came with it
10:58 PM Lcvette: didn't expect it was like christmas!
10:58 PM Lcvette: :D
10:58 PM Lcvette: built in antenna non the back and everything\
10:58 PM Lcvette: works great too
10:58 PM Tom_L: nice
10:59 PM Lcvette: pcw_home: you didn't tell me they came with wifi!
10:59 PM Tom_L: later..
10:59 PM pcw_home: They have a place of it, Mine didn't have one
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11:00 PM * Lcvette uploaded an image: VectorImage_2019-04-17_115703.jpg (424KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ckkdfCyJOGAgmuHyJzRmiXvM >
11:02 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Yeah, not too surprised, sadly
11:03 PM ve7it: Jymmm, I now have 4 nice displays all broken.... been trying to get project done since Jan.... slow boat to China
11:04 PM Jymmm: ve7it: That sucks, maybe try ali???
11:05 PM * Lcvette uploaded an image: VectorImage_2019-04-18_120133.jpg (839KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/RoWKVktkTFDNfrGQqECquJtS >
11:05 PM Lcvette: OK found and disabled AMT
11:05 PM ve7it: Jymmm, interesting that banggood wants a youtube video to resolve the issue... seems like free bad advertising... but guess most people just give up on $20
11:05 PM Lcvette: Anything else? Also turned off other power saving features
11:07 PM Jymmm: ve7it: a photo should have been sufficiant
11:08 PM pcw_home: Lcvette: that should do it.
11:08 PM Lcvette: Wait, I can't disa le amt
11:09 PM Lcvette: Can't disable it
11:09 PM pcw_home: Why not?
11:09 PM Lcvette: Maybe I did
11:10 PM Lcvette: Hard to figure it out
11:10 PM pcw_home: Its tricky
11:10 PM pcw_home: I _Hate_ Intel ME crap
11:10 PM Lcvette: If I disable it it shits all those items off.?
11:10 PM Lcvette: It kicks me out of the menu
11:10 PM pcw_home: It only disables remote management
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11:12 PM Lcvette: I hit f10 takes me back to main menu
11:12 PM Lcvette: Seem right?
11:12 PM pcw_home: yeah
11:13 PM pcw_home: Its been a while. I needed to google around a bit to figure it out
11:14 PM Lcvette: OK think I'm all good now
11:14 PM Lcvette: \o/
11:14 PM Lcvette: Man this thing boots fast
11:15 PM pcw_home: its fairly snappy
11:16 PM Lcvette: So on the histogram, which numbers are the indicators?
11:17 PM Lcvette: Min and max (us)?
11:18 PM Lcvette: That's the jitter?
11:19 PM Lcvette: It's much better then before now
11:19 PM pcw_home: the larger of absolute( min max) is the same as the latency test measures
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11:21 PM Lcvette: thats pretty good then
11:21 PM Lcvette: ~9100
11:21 PM Lcvette: gonna let it run foir a whiole more
11:21 PM pcw_home: Yeah might get a bit worse if you watch youtube videos but certainly good enough
11:22 PM pcw_home: probably not the best idea to watch youtube videos when machining anyway...
11:23 PM Lcvette: lol
11:24 PM Lcvette: yeah opened two youtubes in 1080p and it jumped to 56.5
11:24 PM Lcvette: :O
11:24 PM Lcvette: with 10 glx gears
11:24 PM Lcvette: still better then anything else i had except the g3258 systems
11:25 PM Lcvette: those are just silly
11:25 PM pcw_home: yeah best Ive seen
11:25 PM Lcvette: h97m pro4 is etter then the z97eitx
11:26 PM Lcvette: but the z97e-itx does great for a tiny board
11:26 PM pcw_home: 8300 I have is really solid and fast with Ethernet motion cards
11:26 PM Lcvette: i'll be ordering a ethernet card soon
11:26 PM Lcvette: need to recoup a bit
11:27 PM Lcvette: need one for the rhino lathe
11:27 PM pcw_home: any of those would be fine (I suspect almost any Intel I(3,5,7) would be OK)
11:28 PM pcw_home: Even my old 2nd gen I5 laptop is OK (as long as you dont change the power source or adjust the backlight)
11:29 PM Lcvette: lol
11:29 PM pcw_home: Though things with built in keyboards you cant just toss are probably not great around metal chips
11:30 PM Lcvette: im back on my work station it has a gen2 i5
11:30 PM Lcvette: and 2gb of ram
11:30 PM Lcvette: it did 54.x on the latency
11:30 PM Lcvette: not too shabby that was 10glx and some youtubes
11:31 PM pcw_home: its probably fine also
11:31 PM Lcvette: lenovo thinkthentre
11:39 PM elmo40: i only buy Lenovo laptops.
11:39 PM elmo40: They are top notch, in my experience.
11:40 PM elmo40: They ruined the keyboards lately, though... fools. Who needs a full numpad on a laptop????