#linuxcnc Logs
Apr 02 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:36 AM pink_vampire: is there a way to do bold text in pyvcp lable?
12:40 AM pink_vampire: solved
01:58 AM Deejay: moin
02:34 AM pink_vampire: hi Deejay
04:53 AM _abc_: Hi. Has anyone booted the wheezy live 2.7 iso with qemu under linux? I booted it, it gets to gui, things work, then launching linuxcnc with a config locks it with a high system load. Completely non responsive. Is there a known qemu param set which makes it work? Any ideas where to look to make the iso work as is in emulation (sim) mode? Host is linux.
05:10 AM jthornton: morning
05:11 AM XXCoder: yo
05:12 AM Tom_L: morning
05:20 AM pink_vampire: morning
05:27 AM Deejay: hey
05:36 AM XXCoder: https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/b88nm7/gas_gas_gas/ wtffff
06:05 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UV-2E8kEqg there is steam engines in this video
06:20 AM drzacek: Hello there
06:21 AM drzacek: I have a technical problem, not directly related to linuxcnc, but you guys are the closest thing I found on freenod :P
06:21 AM pink_vampire: lets see..
06:21 AM pink_vampire: drzacek: ?
06:22 AM drzacek: I need a module to control my axes on a cnc lathe. Was looking for 4x analog output -10..+10V with TTL encoder inputs.
06:23 AM drzacek: at first there seem to be a plethora of modules, but in the end nothing that would fit my needs - either it is not a single device only 2,3 or 4 different modules
06:23 AM pink_vampire: what are you trying to do?
06:24 AM drzacek: connect my control unit to the drive
06:24 AM pink_vampire: what is your controller?
06:25 AM drzacek: MTc
06:26 AM drzacek: there used to be a custom hardware with integrated analog outputs and encoder inputs, but I upgraded the PC and can't use that anymore (was for ISA bus, so ancient stuff)
06:28 AM pink_vampire: you ,ean between the motor and the controller?
06:28 AM pink_vampire: mean*
06:30 AM drzacek: well, I have a controller, I have a siemens 611a drive that controlls the motors, and I need something to generate signals for the drive module
06:39 AM pink_vampire: drzacek: I'm not sure what are you asking, do you have any drawings , or something that will clear how it is wired up and what signal go to where
06:39 AM pink_vampire: as far as i know there is converters from 0-10V to 4-20ma, and stuff like that
06:39 AM drzacek: pink_vampire, well, there are
06:41 AM drzacek: what I'm asking is rather purely industrial, not sure if any linux cnc machine even has something else as stepper motors
06:41 AM pink_vampire: myservos works with the g320X
06:41 AM pink_vampire: it is a dc servos
06:42 AM pink_vampire: so you have the pc > g320X >encoder > motor
06:42 AM pink_vampire: linux cnc give you step and direction signals
06:43 AM pink_vampire: but i know that you can control also more complex stuff
06:44 AM drzacek: well I never touched the linux cnc, just downloading it now to see what it really does
06:44 AM pink_vampire: to generate 0-10 it is much more easy then -10 .. +10
06:45 AM drzacek: well
06:45 AM pink_vampire: linuxcnc is just the controller
06:45 AM drzacek: I neeed -10..+10
06:45 AM drzacek: well, yes, but what can it controll :)
06:45 AM pink_vampire: what you motor driver need as input?
06:46 AM drzacek: 0..10V as speed value, in both directions, so -10 to 10V
06:46 AM drzacek: on two wire lines, gnd and value
06:47 AM pink_vampire: so you need a step dir to +-10V
06:48 AM pink_vampire: the acceleration values in linux cnc are +- some value
06:48 AM pink_vampire: so this is a start
06:51 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J9O6CoJtSo
06:52 AM pink_vampire: drzacek: look like something you can do
06:55 AM pink_vampire: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/looking-for-a-10v-cnc-servo-controller/
06:56 AM _abc_: 10V servos are not too good in precision, expect 0.1% or worse, after calibration.
06:57 AM drzacek: _abc_, I have no servos
06:57 AM _abc_: A normal digital to 10V servo controller will have some decent amount of settings in it to mate it to the encoders and the servo's actual driver.
06:58 AM _abc_: Just speed?
06:58 AM drzacek: I already have the motor controller, that takes the 10V as speed value
06:58 AM _abc_: There will have to be an enable too, or a sizeable deadband.
06:58 AM pink_vampire: _abc_: he also want to connect encoders
06:58 AM _abc_: oh that gets complex fast
06:58 AM drzacek: wait, I'll make some pictures
06:59 AM _abc_: drzacek: we get the point.
06:59 AM _abc_: pink_vampire: encoders for distance or speed?
06:59 AM pink_vampire: _abc_: not sure what do you mean by that
07:00 AM _abc_: speed encoders on a spindle or distance ones for angular motion like on a lathe with less than 360 degrees turn for special jobs?
07:01 AM drzacek: ttl incremental encoders
07:01 AM drzacek: no absolute encoders
07:02 AM pink_vampire: what resolution?
07:04 AM drzacek: irrelevant
07:04 AM drzacek: https://pasteboard.co/I8gAzXV.png this is what I had till now
07:04 AM drzacek: and ideally I would like to have something like this as USB module
07:06 AM pink_vampire: the thing that i don't get it how you close loop with the encoder, is that in the controller level? or the motor driver level?
07:07 AM _abc_: drzacek: usb has no timing guarantees. Nothing realtime tries to use usb as a part in the realtime pipe.
07:07 AM drzacek: controller does it
07:07 AM drzacek: _abc_, ideally I would use profinet
07:07 AM _abc_: The controller has smarts in it, it's not just usb timing controlled
07:07 AM _abc_: Double buffering etc
07:07 AM _abc_: FIFO
07:46 AM gregcnc: drzacek did you get an answer?
08:13 AM burkelfoo: drzacek: take a look at our (Mesa's) 7I77/7I77D + a 5I25 or 7I92M for analog servo retrofits
08:15 AM pink_vampire: what will be a good mesa cards replacement to dual lpt setup?
08:15 AM pink_vampire: burkelfoo: ^
08:16 AM burkelfoo: 5I25 (PCI) 6I25 (PCIE) or 7I92H (Ethernet)
08:17 AM pink_vampire: is there and advantage / disadvantage?
08:22 AM pink_vampire: burkelfoo: ?
08:22 AM gregcnc: pink have you checked the specs?
08:23 AM pcw_home: you choose between 5I25/6I25 by slot availability in your PC
08:24 AM pink_vampire: i mean Ethernet V PCI/e
08:24 AM pcw_home: Ethernet is a bit harder to setup and requires the uspace version of LinuxCNC
08:24 AM pink_vampire: vs*
08:25 AM pcw_home: but doesn't require a slot and is handy to mount in the enclosure
08:26 AM pink_vampire: i want to get a smaller computer then the one i have now, and fit a pcie card in it, and fit all that in the bottom side of my panel
08:26 AM pcw_home: if you have something exotic to control that needs a fast servo thread (faster than 1 KHz) PCI/PCIE is better
08:27 AM gregcnc: pink are you planning on replacing your Geckos? and closing the loop in linuxcnc?
08:28 AM pcw_home: but at the default 1 KHz, Ethernet is fine and has the added benefit of electrical isolation and the ability to work with mini-pcs that have no slots
08:28 AM pink_vampire: now i'm limited to 100000 ns (i was tried to go to 50000ns, but i got the realtime error all the time, so my servo spindle, is very slow, 100 rpm :(
08:29 AM pcw_home: thats the base thread, its not used with our hardware
08:29 AM pink_vampire: gregcnc: not right away, but yeah, maybe to leave the g320X, but add scales
08:30 AM pink_vampire: not sure what do you mean
08:31 AM pink_vampire: i want to be able to use the full speed of the motors, with the full resolution of the encoders
08:32 AM pink_vampire: 4 motors, 3000rpm each, 8192PPR encoders
08:32 AM gregcnc: with mesa it will run much faster without changing the PC
08:34 AM pcw_home: 8192 PPR or 8192 CPR? (8192 PPR = 32768 CPR = higher than most incremental encoders)
08:36 AM pink_vampire: PPR
08:36 AM pink_vampire: 2048PPQ
08:37 AM pcw_home: with Mesa (or other hardware stepgens), the step rate is independent of the thread rate
08:37 AM pink_vampire: what is the thread rate?
08:37 AM pcw_home: the rate at which the step rate is _updated_ is the servo thread rate (normally 1000 times a second)
08:38 AM pcw_home: on your parallel port setup you have two threads running (base thread and servo thread)
08:38 AM sensille: so the mesa card doesn't get any motion profiles in advance?
08:39 AM pcw_home: sensille: no, linuxCNC doesn't work that way
08:41 AM pcw_home: pink_vampire: with a hardware stepgen (encoder counter pwmgen etc) the base thread is not needed anymore so only the (much slower) servo thread is run
08:43 AM pink_vampire: one sec - phone call
08:45 AM gregcnc: software/hardware stepgen is a concept that is often misunderstood
08:47 AM gregcnc: I don't think it's clearly defined to newbs as latency test appears to be so important
08:48 AM sensille: would it be worth it to put more effort into more exact step generation, e.g. by tranferring motion profiles, or is there not much to gain?
08:53 AM pcw_home: Not much to gain if you can run the TP in LinuxCNC at 1 KHz
08:55 AM pcw_home: if you have extreme accuracy requirements or very high acceleration, moving acceleration setting to the stepgen may make sense
08:57 AM pcw_home: but the chord error from stepped velocities is in the 10 uinch (.25 u) on the types of machines LinuxCNC normally runs so buried in the noise...
08:58 AM pcw_home: 10 uinch range
08:58 AM sensille: yeah, maybe just for better acceleration/jerk control
08:59 AM pcw_home: LinuxCNC doesn't have Jerk control currently, thats really something the TP needs to do
09:00 AM pcw_home: Jerk control would be nice but its quite complex to integrate with a complete TP
09:01 AM sensille: what does TP stand for?
09:01 AM pcw_home: Trajectory Planner
09:01 AM sensille: ah
09:01 AM Jymmm: Toilet Paper
09:02 AM gregcnc: Jymmm is always here to help
09:02 AM sensille: i'm currently working on smooth motion planning for a 3d printer controller and find it very interesting, but also challaeging
09:02 AM pcw_home: Jerk control is nice for tangential acceleration but doesn't really help with constant speed profiling
09:02 AM Jymmm: gregcnc: ...or hinder -shrug-
09:03 AM sensille: it gets hard if you want to allow path deviation
09:03 AM pcw_home: (because the jerk is entirely controlled by the shape)
09:04 AM Jymmm: pcw_home: define "jerk" in this context of shape?
09:05 AM sensille: it's also defined by velocity/acceleration, but given a constant speed only by the shape
09:05 AM pcw_home: if you follow a profile at a constant speed the acceleration and jerk are determined by the shape you follow
09:06 AM Jymmm: pcw_home: like a hard corner (of sorts)?
09:06 AM pcw_home: any shape
09:06 AM sensille: or a transition between line and circle
09:06 AM Jymmm: pcw_home: I thought there was a ramp down/ramp up when there is a sudden change in direction?
09:07 AM sensille: pcw_home: did you work on the TP?
09:08 AM Jymmm: pcw_home: ...a "look ahead" if you will.
09:08 AM pcw_home: there is if you cannot maintain velocity due to accel limits
09:08 AM Jymmm: ah ok
09:09 AM pcw_home: No, I have not even really looked at LinuxCNCs TP (other than testing and reporting bugs)
09:10 AM sensille: pcw_home: i'm still looking for someone with whom i can discuss my ideas from time to time, so i got my hopes up a bit ;)
09:38 AM pink_vampire: I'm here again
09:38 AM Lcvette: pcw_home: i snagged another H97M Pro4 but it had a Core I5 4590 3.3GHz cpu on it, im hoping it will have similar performance to the G3258, did by chance have any experience with those did you?
09:45 AM drzacek: burkelfoo, no way that I could use those in my current hardware
09:57 AM pink_vampire: I'm trying to think what will better to upgrade next, the rails and the ball nuts, or move to mesa cards
10:04 AM pcw_home: drzacek: I thought you said you wanted to control Analog servos (and I assumed with LinuxCNC)
10:05 AM drzacek: pcw_home, no, it's not with linuxcnc, and not servos (although if servos are controlled with -10..10V signal then I'm ok with that)
10:05 AM drzacek: I just need some module for my PC that will deliver those, and get encoder input too
10:19 AM gregcnc: drzacek "some module" must be able to communicate with your software
10:20 AM drzacek: gregcnc, that would be nice, yes
10:20 AM gregcnc: what is this machine?
10:20 AM drzacek: ?
10:20 AM gregcnc: what software does it run?
10:20 AM drzacek: my own
10:20 AM gregcnc: your own software?
10:21 AM drzacek: yeah, we did our own lathe software
10:21 AM drzacek: nothing too fancy
10:21 AM gregcnc: based on what? anything existing?
10:21 AM drzacek: not that I know
10:22 AM gregcnc: so why not just replace what failed?
10:22 AM drzacek: but I have full access to the code, so if I need to I can write proper communication with the the module
10:22 AM drzacek: gregcnc, cause it's not something that failed
10:23 AM drzacek: after 20 years time to change hardware
10:23 AM drzacek: and new pc don't have any ISA bus anymore
10:25 AM gregcnc: OK the actual problem is defined now, but I can't help. probably there are countless solutions like Mesa to connect via PCI or ethernet and do what you want
10:26 AM drzacek: okay
10:27 AM gregcnc: If you aren't going to use linuxcnc to control your machine, it's not relevant
10:27 AM gregcnc: I dread the day the ISA card or related control dies in my PC based lathe
10:29 AM drzacek: well, ISA was very popular in industrial systems. My first pc from 99 never had any ISA connector anymore, it was already too old, I can imagine that 20 years later it is even worse, even in industry world
10:29 AM drzacek: the future is real time ethernet, like profinet
10:30 AM drzacek: but throwind away analog drives and replacing them with new ones - aint nobody got money for that
10:30 AM gregcnc: apparently you can still get them, but this machine is particular is extremely picky and nobody has made a newer motherboard work
10:30 AM gregcnc: ISA that is
10:30 AM drzacek: what do you have?
10:30 AM gregcnc: smaller Emco lathe and mill
10:31 AM gregcnc: the mill i'd just retrofit to Linuxcnc, but the lathe I would rather keep on the Fanuc emulated control
10:31 AM drzacek: is it ona mainboard or slot cpu?
10:32 AM drzacek: *on
10:32 AM gregcnc: windows PC with a ISA card to comm with their control
10:55 AM Rab: Interesting to see that Trinamic is offering BLDC servos with integrated drivers: https://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/t/trinamic/pd42-x-1670-closed-loop-smart-bldc-motors
10:56 AM Rab: Rather expensive for their small size, however.
11:04 AM drzacek: ok thanks anyway
11:04 AM drzacek: bye
11:56 AM fragalot: hey
12:28 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest75333
01:28 PM miss0r: evening
01:30 PM JT-Shop: hola
01:31 PM * miss0r is using his poorly ventilated shop to paint engine parts for the land rover at the moment
01:31 PM miss0r: so, if I don't make sense, that is why :D
01:32 PM miss0r: if fragalot was here, he would say something like "so whats your excuse the other days?"
01:32 PM miss0r: :D
01:33 PM fragalot: no I wouldn't
01:33 PM miss0r: hehe hello
01:33 PM fragalot: 'sup :-)
01:33 PM miss0r: Don't try'n tell me you would take the high-road?! :D hahaha
01:34 PM fragalot: I wouldn't dare.
01:34 PM Rab: miss0r, use a good respirator.
01:34 PM fragalot: and lead based paints for taste
01:34 PM miss0r: rab: I have the door open, and the ventilation running - it should be alright
01:35 PM miss0r: fragalot: Friday I have to go look at an Emco cnc lathe
01:35 PM fragalot: same :D
01:35 PM fragalot: except I believe i've got a different reason to than you?
01:35 PM miss0r: I just saw a cheap one, and I want to own it? :D
01:35 PM miss0r: whats yours
01:36 PM fragalot: to try & convince someone else to pay for it
01:36 PM miss0r: I found a emco TM02 for 2200eur..
01:36 PM miss0r: hehe I think I'll do this one myself
01:37 PM fragalot: :-)
01:37 PM gregcnc: VMC100?
01:37 PM miss0r: I'll bring my dial indicators and sweat him down to 1200eur I think
01:37 PM miss0r: gregcnc: No. This is an '80s model
01:37 PM gregcnc: TM02 is the control
01:37 PM miss0r: Do I look like I am made of money?
01:37 PM fragalot: don't forget the py bar :P
01:37 PM fragalot: pry
01:38 PM miss0r: yeah sorry :D its a compact 6
01:38 PM gregcnc: oh I have on of those
01:38 PM miss0r: You like it?
01:38 PM miss0r: (I have no idea how to run the controls on it)
01:38 PM gregcnc: pfft still not finished with retrofit
01:39 PM gregcnc: biggest thing I think if it has any time on it is the fact that they didn't have automatic lube
01:39 PM miss0r: fragalot: It was situated in a school in sweden, pro: low mileage. con: those few miles was in rough terrain :D
01:39 PM gregcnc: with pneumatics?
01:39 PM miss0r: I honnestly know very little of the model
01:39 PM gregcnc: 6P?
01:39 PM miss0r: and the article doesn't say alot
01:40 PM fragalot: ¨lol
01:40 PM miss0r: gregcnc: https://www.dba.dk/cnc-drejebaenk-emco-emco/id-1053981118/
01:40 PM miss0r: also, it comes with a cassete tape to restore the machine configuration :]
01:40 PM gregcnc: no pneumatics
01:40 PM fragalot: that control looks lovely and very user friendly
01:40 PM miss0r: new age bullshit... I only go for punch strip
01:40 PM gregcnc: there is a yahoogroup with all docs avialable
01:41 PM fragalot: miss0r: have the labels worn off of it yet? :D
01:41 PM fragalot: (off of the buttons)
01:41 PM miss0r: fragalot: To a degree where I am unsure if there ever was any :D
01:41 PM fragalot: excellent :D
01:41 PM gregcnc: small ~16mm through spindle, odd 5phase steppers, DC shunt wound spindle motor
01:42 PM miss0r: sounds like a charm
01:42 PM fragalot: miss0r: if you don't mind me asking
01:42 PM miss0r: gregcnc: Would you care to guess at the rough dimensions of the machine?
01:42 PM fragalot: where the hell are you going to put that chonk
01:42 PM gregcnc: just a minute
01:42 PM miss0r: I was just about to tell you "I DON'T KNOW" as I knew that question was comming
01:43 PM fragalot: :D
01:43 PM miss0r: I am in the process of getting a permit to place a 20' shipping container in my frontyard, next to the shop
01:43 PM miss0r: and put all my grinding equipment, the saw & all materials in that
01:43 PM miss0r: (insulated with heat)
01:43 PM fragalot: nice
01:44 PM miss0r: assuming gregcnc returns with "size < elephant" I think I could pull it off
01:44 PM gregcnc: lathe is 1035x853x750 control box 810x745x715
01:45 PM gregcnc: it's small if you've never seen one
01:45 PM miss0r: in mm, I presume?
01:45 PM miss0r: anything else would be hell :D
01:45 PM miss0r: I've never seen a compact 6 in person, no
01:45 PM gregcnc: lathe is 225kg control 115
01:45 PM fragalot: that is a lot lighter than i'd have imagined
01:45 PM miss0r: wow that is light
01:45 PM gregcnc: they are small
01:46 PM miss0r: damn... can it even cut butter?
01:46 PM miss0r: at room temperature?
01:46 PM miss0r: 225kg sounds on the light side of ridiculous
01:46 PM * miss0r is starting to have second thoughts about this lathe
01:47 PM fragalot: :P
01:47 PM gregcnc: 2.2kW motor maybe 4kW peak
01:47 PM miss0r: Sure, I have a manual lathe for the hard work.. but still
01:47 PM fragalot: it'd be better than my dinky chinaco lathe, barely
01:47 PM miss0r: what spindle speed does it do?
01:47 PM gregcnc: they have good reputation
01:47 PM gregcnc: 4 or 5kRPM
01:47 PM miss0r: hmm
01:47 PM miss0r: I wonder how rigid it is
01:47 PM miss0r: I know they have a great rep
01:47 PM fragalot: 5K rpm but with a chuck rated for 3 :D
01:48 PM miss0r: fragalot: keep your lathe out of it :P
01:48 PM fragalot: hehe
01:48 PM gregcnc: compact 6 would have been 4k
01:48 PM miss0r: gregcnc: How would you describe its ability do machine steel?
01:48 PM gregcnc: the later 120, 220, and 320 were all based on the same casting
01:48 PM miss0r: Most of what I do is 42CrMo4
01:49 PM gregcnc: to me the bigger question is work holding in the chuck
01:50 PM miss0r: the spindle bore is small.. but I suppose the chuck can hold 80mm ish?
01:50 PM gregcnc: how long are these parts?
01:50 PM miss0r: mostly <300mm
01:50 PM miss0r: 250 even
01:51 PM gregcnc: you'de really have to study the work envelope tp be sure
01:51 PM miss0r: Indeed
01:51 PM miss0r: but for that price I'm sure I can put it to work and make my money back :D
01:52 PM miss0r: if not, it would make a cool greenhouse
01:52 PM gregcnc: the 220 and 320 were mostly used with a collet chuck and 26mm through the spindle
01:53 PM miss0r: Hmm.. I wonder if theres any additional equipment with this unit(collets, tool holders ect)
01:53 PM miss0r: is that a turret in there?
01:54 PM gloops: nice little lathe here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wickman-Lang-Lathe/372641628737?
01:54 PM gloops: 8metres, 30hp
01:54 PM gregcnc: I have a more recent 325-II, with a 4.4kW spindle and in can barely run a 2.2mm grooving insert in that material at 28-32HRC and Ø2"
01:55 PM gregcnc: http://www.dieselrc.com/projects/emcocompact6/
01:56 PM fragalot: that thing is kinda cute
01:57 PM miss0r: gregcnc: So, you reused the casting, basically? :D
01:57 PM gregcnc: it had not control, I'm changing all motors
01:58 PM gregcnc: not me https://youtu.be/_KrLbDNgWf0
01:59 PM gregcnc: I have all the sheet metal for the enclosure. I stripped it completely to clean and probably removed 2-3kg of old oil and chips
02:00 PM miss0r: sounds yummy
02:00 PM fragalot: that broach sounds like it's not even hitting
02:01 PM fragalot: parting sounds alright on that one too
02:02 PM miss0r: yeah
02:02 PM miss0r: the parting sounds like the broach did 'something' atleast
02:02 PM fragalot: it shows what it did at the end of the video, so it definitely did :-)
02:03 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop you ever try setting up dual monitors with stretch?
02:03 PM miss0r: fragalot: I got a new saw blade for my cold saw
02:03 PM miss0r: Now I don't want to hang myself everytime I cut larger workpieces
02:03 PM jthornton: no, I looked at one motherboard and it does not support dual monitors without a windoze driver
02:03 PM fragalot: miss0r: :D
02:03 PM gregcnc: if it doesn't have collet chucks, you'll probably never find one
02:04 PM miss0r: its a 350mm blade with 63 teeth
02:04 PM fragalot: miss0r: at my previous work where I ran one of those saws daily, it would never make it past 5 days
02:04 PM Tom_L: i've got a cheap add in card that works with windows but the aspect ratio is off with stretch
02:04 PM miss0r: I thought the salesman made a mistake and sold me a wood cutting blade. sure looks like it
02:04 PM fragalot: i'd install a new blade on monday, and someone would wreck it in the weekend
02:04 PM Tom_L: installing the dev stuff on my main pc
02:04 PM miss0r: Yeah, luckily I'm the only one using it here
02:04 PM miss0r: :D
02:04 PM fragalot: :P
02:05 PM miss0r: so.. I'll blame the cat
02:06 PM miss0r: I wouldn't mind finding a emco cnc lathe that is a bit newer, so it had the heidenhain controller on it
02:06 PM miss0r: I know a wizard with those controllers
02:06 PM miss0r: its not me; i'm not boasting here...
02:07 PM fragalot: apparently the heidenhain lathe controllers are dogshit compared to the milling ones
02:07 PM fragalot: i'm currently eyeing up a hyperturn 65
02:07 PM miss0r: I wonder if that is also true about the older ones?
02:08 PM fragalot: hyperturn 65 DT SM3Y3
02:08 PM gregcnc: 2 axis lathe programming is easy
02:08 PM miss0r: o_0
02:08 PM miss0r: looks nice
02:08 PM fragalot: miss0r: yea, heidenhain just bought the lathe controls from a different company, forgot which though
02:09 PM * miss0r is now finished druling over gregcnc's emco rebuild.. :D
02:09 PM miss0r: no no... theres a bit more comming
02:09 PM miss0r: .. what a mess :D
02:09 PM fragalot: :P
02:10 PM gregcnc: I really should get back on it, but with a running lathe.....
02:10 PM miss0r: gregcnc: When it is running, I don't suppose you'd sell it for 1200eur including shipping? :D
02:10 PM fragalot: sorry my bad, hyperturn 65 powermill PM-SMY2B
02:11 PM gregcnc: heh, probably not
02:11 PM miss0r: fragalot: That looks sweet
02:11 PM gregcnc: 200kEuro? or more?
02:11 PM fragalot: more
02:12 PM miss0r: make'em order two - just in case
02:12 PM fragalot: miss0r: you're joking, but....
02:12 PM miss0r: haha
02:12 PM gregcnc: just in case the night shaft crashes it?
02:13 PM fragalot: gregcnc: there will be no night shift
02:13 PM miss0r: gregcnc: Are you speaking of a porno movie there?
02:13 PM gregcnc: it will have a harder time crashing itself if nobdoy is there to fuck with it
02:13 PM fragalot: :-)
02:13 PM fragalot: gregcnc: that's the idea
02:14 PM fragalot: tools will all be equipped with balluff RFID tags with the offsets pre-set to avoid operator error there too
02:14 PM fragalot: and they are continuously monitored in use to see if the loads and vibrations are in-spec
02:14 PM miss0r: Those expensive machines.. :) Last week I was home waiting for a taxi driving here direct from Hamburg, Germany with three inductive switches so I could get a spindle going
02:14 PM fragalot: if it notices something is off, it switches to "sister tooling"
02:14 PM miss0r: Impressive
02:14 PM fragalot: miss0r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR23H7ACnNY
02:15 PM miss0r: WHERE THE HELL DO YOU COME ACROSS STUFF LIKE THIS?!
02:15 PM fragalot: ^_^
02:19 PM gregcnc: red green is classic
02:20 PM miss0r: fragalot has a nasty habbit of dripfeeding me this stuff, just enough so that I get hooked.
02:20 PM miss0r: It is bad for productivity :D
02:21 PM fragalot: :-)
02:24 PM miss0r: fragalot: If I find a cheap cnc lathe in germany, you should hook a trailer on and bring it here :D
02:24 PM fragalot: y'know
02:24 PM fragalot: my car actually can't pull even the bare compact6 weight
02:24 PM miss0r: fscking hybrid
02:24 PM fragalot: yea
02:25 PM fragalot: that tow ball is just there to attach the bike rack
02:25 PM miss0r: how do you cope?
02:25 PM pink_vampire: is there already made bipod kinematics?machine profile?
02:25 PM miss0r: I mean, don't you have a garden to tend to?
02:25 PM miss0r: (perhaps you have reduced it to grass that needs removing?)
02:25 PM fragalot: grass & wood chips
02:25 PM fragalot: everything just goes in buckets in the back
02:26 PM miss0r: beeing a green fellah' like you are, I suppose you skip the disposible plastic bags, and have the woodchipper spew it directly into the trunk? :D
02:27 PM fragalot: "buckets"
02:27 PM miss0r: meh.. You have it easy. My garden still pretty wild - though I have been doing something to it lately
02:27 PM miss0r: yeah yeah.. I was typing when you wrote that
02:27 PM fragalot: well i felled the pear tree the other day
02:27 PM fragalot: dug out the stump last weekend
02:27 PM fragalot: that's the last of the big trees
02:27 PM fragalot: the rest are just 60yr old bushes
02:27 PM miss0r: "big" hehe
02:27 PM fragalot: yea :-)
02:28 PM miss0r: I've been draping the "hill" in the frontyard in this sorta fiber tarp
02:28 PM fragalot: only had 2 trees, one 65yr old pear tree that nearly rached the roof of the house, and an 80yr old pine that exceeded it by about twice that
02:28 PM miss0r: to keep undergrowth down, and covered it in woodchips
02:28 PM fragalot: i've done that, once.
02:28 PM fragalot: turns out it's a breeding ground for snails
02:28 PM fragalot: :P
02:28 PM miss0r: all it took ? or never doing it again? :D
02:29 PM miss0r: lol fuck
02:29 PM miss0r: like I don't have enough of those
02:29 PM miss0r: you serious?
02:29 PM fragalot: yea
02:30 PM miss0r: and what kind of fabric did you use?
02:30 PM fragalot: it's a black woven root fabric
02:30 PM * miss0r screams to the heavens
02:30 PM miss0r: same exact stuff I have
02:30 PM fragalot: but to be honest, we did that to our vegetable garden
02:30 PM fragalot: that year was not a good year, lol
02:30 PM miss0r: We already have a snail problem
02:30 PM * miss0r facepalms
02:31 PM miss0r: I fscking hope it is not going to be a big issue here
02:31 PM miss0r: I mean.. the area I did it to is 25x10meters ish
02:31 PM miss0r: perhaps closer to 30x12
02:31 PM fragalot: mine was 1.5x6
02:31 PM miss0r: and its pretty steep. not a trivial task
02:31 PM fragalot: and flat
02:32 PM fragalot: your experience may vary
02:32 PM fragalot: I hope
02:32 PM miss0r: This better be good
02:32 PM fragalot: I did figure out though that if you lob a snail at least 30 meters away, it doesn't come back
02:32 PM miss0r: Well, I did it because the undergrowth on that slanted surface was a nice resting place for mosquitos... and I'm realy trying to combat that.. I guess I'll take snails over mosquitos any day
02:33 PM fragalot: yea
02:33 PM miss0r: I run around with a bb and shoote them
02:33 PM fragalot: lol
02:33 PM miss0r: Did you know they turn inside out when you do that?
02:33 PM fragalot: they'd vaporize if you used mine
02:33 PM miss0r: (using a CO2 powered gun with a home drilled noxxle :D)
02:34 PM fragalot: wish I didn't have to give back that .85 caliber airgun someone let me borrow in the netherlands
02:34 PM fragalot: 300 bar fill, 2 liter bottle.. gave you about 3 shots. :D
02:34 PM miss0r: that sounds like it had some umpf behind it :D
02:34 PM fragalot: 60 gram slug
02:35 PM fragalot: it did, lol
02:35 PM miss0r: that thing could probably kill a man, if aimed correctly :D
02:35 PM fragalot: easy
02:35 PM miss0r: like the foot or something
02:35 PM fragalot: hahaa
02:35 PM miss0r: if you are already down to 99hp, that is MP
02:35 PM miss0r: ;P*
02:35 PM miss0r: regulations with that stuff is realy strict here in DK
02:36 PM miss0r: I wouldn't mind having one though..
02:36 PM fragalot: there is only one rule in belgium for airguns
02:36 PM fragalot: pistols are limited to 7.5J
02:36 PM fragalot: that's it.
02:36 PM miss0r: "you can't own one" ? :)
02:36 PM miss0r: hehe alright
02:36 PM miss0r: 7.5... I could throw the pebble further
02:36 PM fragalot: yeah
02:37 PM miss0r: what about rifles?
02:37 PM fragalot: go nuts
02:37 PM miss0r: re-he-he-he-healy?
02:37 PM fragalot: as long as it is over 30cm in length
02:37 PM miss0r: I wouldn't want a rifle shorter than that anyway :D
02:38 PM fragalot: I quite like my short HW100TK
02:38 PM fragalot: not that powerful, but that thing fires under 20mm groups at 100m
02:38 PM miss0r: sweet
02:40 PM fragalot: i've got quite a few, all are fun in their own way
02:40 PM fragalot: diana 56th, just interesting design & kills every single scope you put near it
02:40 PM fragalot: except with a zero recoil mount
02:41 PM fragalot: walther LGU, also an interesting design
02:41 PM miss0r: nice
02:41 PM fragalot: had another one I sold that I can't remember the make of
02:42 PM fragalot: stomped like a mule & made very nice patterns if the target wasn't too far away.. if it was it wouldn't make any form of pattern
02:42 PM fragalot: some russian target pistol, and a walther CP99
02:42 PM fragalot: the last one I want to get rid of but can't sell it online due to legal reasons
02:43 PM fragalot: lots of dutchies interested in it, but also can't sell it to them for legal reasons
02:43 PM miss0r: what is that?
02:45 PM fragalot: CO2 pistol, replica of a P99
03:10 PM roycroft: any welding folks alive?
03:10 PM roycroft: i need a sanity check on some settings
03:11 PM roycroft: teh internet are all over the place on recommendations, and i want my settings to be close enough from the start that i just have to do a bit of dialing in
03:13 PM roycroft: i'll be gtaw welding 3/8" (8mm) mild steel, mostly right angle welds
03:14 PM roycroft: i have 1/8" (3mm) 2% lanthenated electrodes, and 1/8" er70s-2 rods
03:14 PM roycroft: i'll be doing dcen
03:14 PM roycroft: i'm seeing recommenations for that from 80a to 250a
03:14 PM roycroft: which is hugely wide range
03:15 PM roycroft: i'd also like to do some pulsing, to help keep warping down, but some folks say that works fine and some say that i won't get good welds unless it's full power all the time
03:16 PM roycroft: i've never gtaw welded mild steel before, and aluminium and stainless steel only a few times
03:17 PM roycroft: it kind of sucks - my welder is about 7 years old now, and i only have a handful of hours on it
03:17 PM methods_: why not just go at 250 and watch your foot
03:17 PM methods_: or do you not have a pedal?
03:17 PM roycroft: i do
03:17 PM roycroft: i'm not all that coordinated though (i can be, but i haven't spent much time on it)
03:18 PM roycroft: left and right hand together is enough to coordinate without getting the foot involved too :)
03:18 PM roycroft: i've been successful with a long ramp up/down time and just using the switch on the torch in 2t mode
03:18 PM roycroft: more successful doing that than trying to use the pedal
03:19 PM roycroft: i really just need to spend a couple days making beads, i know
03:19 PM roycroft: i have a friend who is a really experienced welder, and he hates pedals
03:19 PM methods_: well it's about like stainless it's not bad
03:20 PM methods_: its definitely not as difficult as alum
03:20 PM roycroft: he has torches with dials on them so he can adjust the current on the torch
03:20 PM roycroft: which is nice
03:20 PM methods_: and even alum isn't that bad once you spend some time under the hood
03:20 PM roycroft: i found aluminium to be pretty easy to weld
03:20 PM methods_: yeah i don't like the thumb switch
03:20 PM methods_: i know a lot of people like the thumb especially guys that weld inside of stuff alot
03:20 PM roycroft: unfortunately my friend is out of town, or he would probably be able to tell me exactly how to set it up
03:21 PM methods_: since you really can't put a pedal down inside a tank with you alot of times
03:21 PM roycroft: yeah, that can be tough
03:21 PM methods_: or inside a boiler or soemthing
03:21 PM roycroft: that's the big problem with a pedal
03:21 PM roycroft: and i know i can use a pedal if i spend a little time with it
03:21 PM roycroft: but i'm in a mode, again, where i just want to get some welding done
03:21 PM methods_: which is not a problem for me since i don't weld inside stuff like that
03:22 PM methods_: it's well worth it to get used to using it
03:22 PM roycroft: so what about pulsing to keep the warping down?
03:22 PM roycroft: i don't know if i should bother with that or not
03:22 PM methods_: well mild doesn't warp like stainless so usually i dont worry about it
03:22 PM roycroft: and it's fairly thick
03:22 PM roycroft: that's my real concern
03:22 PM methods_: and with stainless i just take my time
03:23 PM methods_: 3/8 isn't that thick
03:23 PM roycroft: if i pulse i might not be able to put enough heat on the metal for good penetration
03:23 PM roycroft: compared to what i usually weld it is
03:23 PM methods_: but that's why i'd go at 250a
03:23 PM roycroft: and it may be pushing the limits of my welder
03:23 PM roycroft: which maxes out at 250a
03:23 PM methods_: that may be the case
03:23 PM methods_: what welder?
03:23 PM roycroft: plus, the biggest collets i have for my torch are 1/8"
03:23 PM roycroft: and i think that if i had a more powerful welder i'd need to use bigger electrodes
03:24 PM roycroft: so 250a with 1/8" electrodes sounds ok?
03:24 PM roycroft: i was going to do this job in stick mode
03:24 PM methods_: yea id' give it a try for sure
03:24 PM roycroft: but i don't want to spend half my life grinding to make things look pretty
03:25 PM roycroft: so i thought that tig would be better in that respect
03:25 PM roycroft: and i don't mind that it will take a lot longer to do
03:26 PM * roycroft will give it a go at full power, and not mess with pulsing
03:27 PM roycroft: and i'll definitely be cleaning up the metal before i weld it - i'll be welding a bunch of hot roll
03:28 PM methods_: yeah definitely with tig you want to make sure you do a good weld prep
03:28 PM roycroft: ac at about 75% en would probably clean up the slag, but i want to keep this simple
03:29 PM roycroft: and i don't want to be regriding my electrode every two minutes
03:31 PM roycroft: thanks for the pointers
03:31 PM roycroft: this isn't a welding channel, but i get better answers here than anywhere else :)
03:31 PM roycroft: and some folks do use linuxcnc to control welding robots, so it's at least marginally within the scope of the channel
03:32 PM methods_: is there welding channel on freenode?
03:37 PM roycroft: not that i know of
03:37 PM roycroft: there are welding forums
03:37 PM roycroft: and teh youtube
03:38 PM roycroft: welding forums alwasy degenerate into made in usa or die wars
03:39 PM roycroft: the weldingtipsandtricks.com guy is probably the most sane welding youtuber
04:15 PM Deejay: gn8
05:02 PM flyback is now known as phlyback
05:02 PM phlyback is now known as flyback
05:03 PM flyback: officemax
05:03 PM flyback: 120gb ssd $19.99
05:04 PM flyback: it's a low end slower ssd, but I imagine it would still rock for a cnc hd
05:31 PM Tom_L: flyback, until it died
05:32 PM pink_vampire: how do i setup the kinematics in linuxcnc?
05:33 PM pink_vampire: it is done in hal?
05:33 PM andypugh: Yes.
05:33 PM Tom_L: in the axis / joint sections
05:33 PM andypugh: Which kinemtaics?
05:33 PM pink_vampire: i want to make inverted bipod
05:34 PM andypugh: Anyway, if you look in the HAL file you will see that there is (typically) a “loadrt trivkins”
05:34 PM pink_vampire: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Koppi%27s_Toy same as this one
05:34 PM andypugh: You would just “loadrt bipodkins"
05:34 PM andypugh: (But you would need to find that kins file, it’s not part of the standard set
05:35 PM pink_vampire: where do i find it?
05:36 PM andypugh: https://github.com/mattvenn/linuxcnc-bipod/blob/master/bipodkins.c
05:36 PM andypugh: (you would need to compile it, I suspect)
05:37 PM pink_vampire: how do you compile it?
05:39 PM andypugh: There is a page here describing how to write a kins, and the example is a bipod.
05:39 PM andypugh: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/motion/kinematics.html
05:40 PM pink_vampire: lets see
05:41 PM andypugh: You can compile that bipodkins using halcompile.
05:41 PM andypugh: (I just did it)
05:41 PM andypugh: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/comp.html
05:42 PM andypugh: But really just save the bipokins.c file somewhere then “sudo halcompile —install bipodkins.c"
05:43 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, what's the command to start the QT Designer?
05:43 PM JT-Shop: to edit a vcp its oddly editvcp
05:43 PM Tom_L: i'm looking at your tutorial
05:44 PM Tom_L: "Start QT Designer....."
05:44 PM Tom_L: i'm a noob remember?
05:44 PM pink_vampire: no9w, this is my main cnc machine computer (normal xyzc), i just want to add this bipod machine and have 2 icons on the desktop, icon for each machine
05:44 PM JT-Shop: it should be in there...
05:44 PM JT-Shop: which tutorial and what page?
05:44 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: bipodkins creates a HAL parameter “Bx” which (somehow) defines the geometry.
05:45 PM pink_vampire: so i need a dedicated computer?
05:45 PM Tom_L: gnipsel.com/pyqt5/app1.html
05:46 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: Eh? What thing that I said made you decide that?
05:46 PM andypugh: You can have several configs on the same PC.
05:47 PM andypugh: You can either plug in a different machine or (depending on the hardware) simply have 6 steppers hooked up at all times and have different configs use different ones.
05:47 PM pink_vampire: i just don't want to do damage to my regular cnc configuration, so i'm extra careful
05:48 PM JT-Shop: oh that's not qtpyvcp
05:48 PM Tom_L: well crap
05:48 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: Every folder in the linuxcnc/configs folder is a separate config.
05:48 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, somebody said yesterday you had a page showing all the rules for qtpyvcp
05:49 PM andypugh: Though you can also have multiple configs (ie INI files) in the same folder if you want them to share files. You probably don’t want that.
05:49 PM JT-Shop: yes for all the status items yea
05:49 PM pink_vampire: i duplicate the my-mill folder, and replace all the stuff in the ini file from my-mill to bipod-cnc
05:49 PM JT-Shop: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/tutorials/basic_vcp.html
05:49 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: Just start a complete new config with stepconf, I reckon.
05:49 PM JT-Shop: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/components/index.html
05:49 PM Tom_L: how is ^^ that different than the qtpyvcp editor?
05:49 PM pink_vampire: i saved the bipodkins.c in /linuxcnc/bipod-cnc
05:50 PM andypugh: Did you try compiling it?
05:50 PM andypugh: should take seconds
05:51 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop, they both look quite similar
05:51 PM pink_vampire: i'm working on that
05:52 PM JT-Shop: Tom_L: meet you down in the beer cave
05:52 PM Tom_L: k
05:53 PM pink_vampire: i got some text in the terminal
05:54 PM jthornton: Tom_L: when you run editvcp it does a lot of things under the hood while the qt designer looks the same until you scroll down and see all the qtpyvcp widgets
05:55 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: this is the output https://paste.debian.net/1075726/
05:59 PM pink_vampire: i changes the line from “loadrt trivkins” to “loadrt bipodkins", and the linux cnc is open with 4 joints, instead of the 4 axis that was there in the original machine
06:21 PM _unreal_: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/10007-tinker-board-current-rtos-needed-free-offer/
06:29 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: That output indicates that it all worked properly
06:29 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: When you home the machine it should switch from joints to axes
06:30 PM pink_vampire: is is all gray
06:31 PM pink_vampire: the e-stop wan pressed
06:31 PM pink_vampire: i'm getting 0 1 2 3 in the dro displayy, and it is still joints
06:33 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: this is how it look after homing https://i.imgur.com/1bwMlCi.png
06:34 PM andypugh: Hmm, 2.7.8 is pretty old.
06:34 PM andypugh: Press “$”
06:35 PM pink_vampire: do nothing
06:36 PM pink_vampire: but i disabled almost all the hot keys in axis
06:36 PM andypugh: View menu?
06:36 PM pink_vampire: to change to world mode?
06:36 PM andypugh: I can’t remember what it says but something to do with joints or axes
06:36 PM andypugh: yes
06:37 PM andypugh: Or world mode
06:37 PM Tom_L: jthornton, have you used QT Designer?
06:37 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, http://lanmsngr.sourceforge.net/
06:37 PM Tom_L: that's for making widgets right?
06:37 PM _unreal_: lan messanger is corss platform
06:37 PM pink_vampire: i'm getting joint 1 following error
06:38 PM andypugh: What is the Bx parameter?
06:38 PM pink_vampire: O_o no idea
06:38 PM andypugh: (If it is zero then I can see that causing trouble)
06:38 PM pink_vampire: what is bx?
06:39 PM andypugh: It’s a hal parameter exported by bipodkins to set the distance between the motors
06:40 PM jthornton: Tom_L: yes
06:40 PM pink_vampire: do i need to add something or it is something that i need to find?
06:40 PM pink_vampire: setp bipodkins.Bx 1220?
06:40 PM pink_vampire: that?
06:41 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
06:43 PM pink_vampire: I've added the line setp bipodkins.Bx 1220 to the bipod-cnc.hal
06:44 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, ?
06:44 PM _unreal_: find what you where looking for regarding the chat thing?
06:59 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: I am afraid that I don’t know anything about bipodkins. Does it always ferror when you switch to World mode?
06:59 PM pink_vampire: correct
06:59 PM andypugh: It may be that the INI Home position is actually somewhere that the kins can’t reach.
07:00 PM pink_vampire: mmm
07:00 PM pink_vampire: lets see
07:00 PM andypugh: Just a guess.
07:00 PM andypugh: I really have no clue.
07:00 PM pink_vampire: sound like a good guess
07:01 PM pink_vampire: me neither
07:02 PM andypugh: The maths is fairly simple, try running the calculations by hand to see if the home position etc makes sense.
07:02 PM pink_vampire: maybe to remove the C axis?
07:03 PM pink_vampire: i don't even build the machine yet, I don't want to order stuff before I know I have a controller
07:03 PM andypugh: Basically when you go to workd mode it swaps from using forward kins to calculate world position from joint position to using inverse kins to calculate joint posiitons from world position. And the teo calcs need to give the same results.
07:03 PM andypugh: Which joint is f-erroring?
07:03 PM pink_vampire: 1
07:04 PM andypugh: I would suggest running 2.8 for any complex kins machine.
07:04 PM andypugh: But clearly folk had bipods running on emc2 v2.3 and maybe earlier.
07:05 PM pink_vampire: it will make it much more complex, i will need a new computer
07:06 PM pink_vampire: I tried now to load this configuration from the linux cnc menu sim.axis.vismach.hexapod-sim
07:06 PM andypugh: I suggest it is time to become the IRC Bipod expert, then you can tell me how they work :-)
07:06 PM pink_vampire: and it is work perfect
07:07 PM pink_vampire: LOL
07:07 PM pink_vampire: maybe
07:07 PM pink_vampire: if it will work it will be the a portable cnc machine
07:08 PM pink_vampire: i have RPI3 with a screen
07:09 PM andypugh: https://www.maslowcnc.com
07:09 PM andypugh: Like that?
07:09 PM pink_vampire: yes!!
07:10 PM pink_vampire: but i want to make it based on dremel 4000
07:10 PM andypugh: As far as I can thell they, inexplicably, don’t use linuxCNC
07:10 PM pink_vampire: or a cordless one
07:11 PM andypugh: https://www.pocketnc.com Use LinuxCNC though.
07:11 PM andypugh: Anyway, time for me to sleep.
07:12 PM pink_vampire: the idea is to make something like 2X3 feet ir so, that you can pack to a small box and just hang it as you need
07:20 PM Jymmm: hang it?
07:21 PM pink_vampire: yeah on a board, do the cuts you need, and re-pack it
07:22 PM pink_vampire: like a panel saw
07:22 PM pink_vampire: Jymmm: ^
07:22 PM Jymmm: pink_vampire: you forgot about the ceiling
07:23 PM pink_vampire: if the cutting area is 2X3 feet, you hang the motors about 1 foot above
07:25 PM gregcnc: https://www.maslowcnc.com/
07:25 PM gregcnc: eh andy already posted it
07:25 PM pink_vampire: yes, like that
07:27 PM gregcnc: https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/hanging-wall-plotter/
07:29 PM pink_vampire: gregcnc: this is exactly what i want to make!!!
07:57 PM pink_vampire: https://www.instructables.com/id/FindyBot3000-a-Voice-Controlled-Organizer/
08:07 PM Tom_L: jthornton still around?
08:47 PM Tom_L: hazzy-m around?
08:47 PM hazzy-m: yea
08:47 PM Tom_L: i realized i don't have all the widgets
08:47 PM Tom_L: where do i get the linuxcnc widgets?
08:47 PM Tom_L: i did get some from the master branch
08:48 PM hazzy-m: if they don't show up in the "widget box" on the left side of designer that usualy means you didn't use editvcp to start designer, or you are missing the libpyqt5.so files
08:49 PM Tom_L: i did editvcp to start but i'm still missing some
08:49 PM Tom_L: i do have some of the "QT" widgets
08:49 PM Tom_L: over the standard ones
08:50 PM hazzy-m: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/install/installation.html#qtdesigner-plug-ins
08:51 PM hazzy-m: did you clone and install, or just install with pip and git+ a url
08:51 PM Tom_L: clone
08:51 PM Tom_L: i think :)
08:51 PM Tom_L: i also installed master
08:51 PM Tom_L: because master had some of the widgets
08:53 PM hazzy-m: ok, so you have a qtpyvcp folder somewhere in your home dir?
08:53 PM Tom_L: yes
08:53 PM Tom_dev: i also have a qtpyvcpmaster folder
08:53 PM hazzy-m: great!
08:53 PM Tom_dev: but i ran the install.sh and still missing some of the widgets
08:54 PM hazzy-m: hmm, do you get any warnings or erros?
08:54 PM Tom_dev: the more 'linuxcnc' specific ones
08:54 PM Tom_dev: like tool table etc
08:54 PM Tom_dev: i lost the page i was on that showed them...
08:55 PM Tom_dev: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/36162-missing-widgets-in-qtpyvcp
08:55 PM Tom_dev: that got some of them
08:56 PM Tom_dev: that copied libpyqt5_py2.so and libpyqt5_py3.so
08:57 PM hazzy-m: do you get eny widget sections in with QtPyVCP in the section header name?
08:58 PM Tom_L: wait.. maybe i do have them
08:59 PM Tom_L: the menu just looks different than his example
08:59 PM Tom_L: he had a linuxcnc pulldown with widgets and that's what i was looking for
09:01 PM hazzy-m: it should look something like this: https://i.imgur.com/LEKGysr.png
09:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/QtPyVCP/Screenshot.png
09:05 PM Tom_L: ok that must be it then
09:07 PM Tom_L: thanks
09:12 PM hazzy-m: yes, that looks good!
09:13 PM Tom_L: i was trying to follow his tutorial but was missing the 'actionbutton'
09:26 PM pink_vampire: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2492974 look very cool
09:54 PM hazzy-m: pink_vampire: I have one of those for my octopi on the printer, it's a great little case
09:54 PM pink_vampire: cool!
09:55 PM pink_vampire: i'm working on some motor drivers mounts, hope i can fit 7 axis on 2 lpt cards