#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 17 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:13 AM _unreal_: https://github.com/berinc/Asus-Tinker-Board/blob/master/README.md
03:32 AM Deejay: moin
04:01 AM PL7icnc: Morning from Germany Heavy Winds Outside
04:01 AM PL7icnc: gloops, are You Sir Online
04:01 AM XXCoder: hey
04:02 AM PL7icnc: XXCoder, hi Sir
04:02 AM gloops: hi, yes im here
04:02 AM PL7icnc: I uploaded now 100+ Videos from Ich... the member Who Died last Year
04:03 AM gloops: oh thanks very much! im sure a lot of people will appreciate them
04:03 AM gloops: ive not looked on youtube for a while
04:03 AM PL7icnc: Mr gloops are You in the Forum also Present
04:03 AM gloops: not so often in the forum
04:04 AM PL7icnc: I need Someone that Post in the SHOW Room to my posts that bring them of the NO Replay list
04:04 AM PL7icnc: its only a showroom not a ACTIVE discussion
04:05 AM PL7icnc: Just a simple NICE , Well Done Thats Ugly whatever
04:05 AM PL7icnc: e Replay brings it of the list
04:06 AM gloops: hmm, i dont know how it works tbh
04:06 AM gloops: how about you XXCoder?
04:07 AM XXCoder: no idea unfortunately
04:07 AM PL7icnc: Mr gloops are You in Europa
04:07 AM gloops: yes im in the UK
04:07 AM gloops: in europe for another 12 days lol
04:08 AM PL7icnc: Oh Nice so extended Service from 29th
04:08 AM PL7icnc: HERE is the list -> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/forum/noreplies
04:08 AM PL7icnc: id like to keep the NGC tread on the list
04:08 AM PL7icnc: YUST replay whatever
04:09 AM gloops: right so if i reply on the no reply posts, they come off the no reply list
04:10 AM gloops: thats easy enough
04:10 AM PL7icnc: Mr gloops we Will go to a School Trip to the UK this Year
04:10 AM gloops: very nice, London?
04:10 AM PL7icnc: Ofcause
04:10 AM gloops: plenty to see there
04:11 AM gloops: im not near London im further north
04:11 AM PL7icnc: I Have been 4 Times there
04:11 AM gloops: there was someone nearby in here, cant remember his name
04:11 AM PL7icnc: Compare to World Capitols it is OLD
04:12 AM gloops: some old buildings yes, it is changing fast though
04:12 AM gloops: as is everywhere
04:12 AM PL7icnc: Around the Olimpics last Time NEW Citys
04:13 AM PL7icnc: Mr gloops you Personel Thinking of the Brexit
04:13 AM gloops: difficult not to - its on the news 24/7, most people just want it done now
04:14 AM gloops: it is causing serious upset with our government system
04:14 AM gloops: not leaving thats causing trouble, the arguments over leaving
04:15 AM PL7icnc: 4times the SAME Vote is Realy not the Best Way to show the World we are a Leader and can Solve things
04:15 AM gloops: no, and another one this week
04:15 AM PL7icnc: I need to Move on Thank you for the Informations
04:16 AM gloops: there is some talk she might get it through this time - i really doubt it
04:16 AM gloops: they dont want a deal, they dont want no deal, they dont want another referendum, they dont want an extension lol
04:18 AM Wolf__: big government showing what they do when faced by the will of the people...
04:19 AM gloops: very true
04:20 AM gloops: the they usually operate is that they tell us a load of BS about what theyre going to do, we elect them, then they do whatever want
04:20 AM gloops: but then they get a direct instruction from the people - they have no idea how to deal with it
04:24 AM Wolf__: feed the people BS and try to no do it
04:24 AM Wolf__: no/not
04:38 AM gloops: well, nearly half way with this one https://ibb.co/3htfsBT
04:39 AM Wolf__: cool
04:40 AM XXCoder: looks nice. one of types of stuff I wanna try make.
04:43 AM gloops: lot of dots to pull lol, funny though when you get the hang of it just about anything looks makeable
04:43 AM XXCoder: i have seen so many very strange parts I know basically anything is makable
04:44 AM XXCoder: just easier with more axis
04:44 AM XXCoder: at work extremely common is prep, op A, then op B
04:44 AM XXCoder: fairly rarely prep then just A (breakaway parts)
04:44 AM XXCoder: and rarer way more ops
04:44 AM gloops: yeah thats the limit - the number of cutting axis
04:56 AM XXCoder: gloops: more IOS heh https://boingboing.net/2019/03/15/not-even-trying-2.html
04:58 AM XXCoder: right timing it can destroy millions of dollars worth of people
04:58 AM XXCoder: *stuff and kill people
05:00 AM gloops: not much use phoning the cops if one of those is on the rampage lol
05:01 AM gloops: cops would just stand back at a safe distance
05:01 AM XXCoder: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-did-people-do-before-envelopes-letterlocking
05:01 AM XXCoder: interesting
05:01 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16GAIaYN_Gk one of em
05:02 AM gloops: i watched some huge demolition machines taking a building down, the ones that have like lobsters pincers, the machines look like theyre alive eating their way through it
05:06 AM XXCoder: wow! so much work to secure the mail
05:07 AM Papagno: Hi. on actual master we have a bug : if run program with single block start, the first line the program not is executed.
05:11 AM XXCoder: you'll need to report it to gut]
05:11 AM XXCoder: git
05:11 AM XXCoder: gloops: man is that mail secure lol
05:17 AM XXCoder: jthornton: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47551786
05:27 AM gloops: safer than gmail XXCoder
05:28 AM XXCoder: i like this video. clears on why theres so much issue on brexit https://youtu.be/J1Yv24cM2os
05:31 AM gloops: yes Mays position is impossible
05:32 AM gloops: shes in coalition with the irish unionists - needs their votes to govern, they will not hear of northern ireland being treated differently to the UK
05:32 AM gloops: the irish republicans however will not hear of any border between north/south ireland
05:32 AM gloops: she cant win without the unionists, but she cant have a border either
05:33 AM XXCoder: im kinda wondering why not just dont do brexit
05:33 AM gloops: theres been a vote lol
05:33 AM XXCoder: i know.
05:33 AM gloops: 17.4 million people are gonna be pissed off if it doesnt happen
05:34 AM XXCoder: what I mean is let voters know and vote again, with knowledge of new problems
05:34 AM gloops: it calls into question democracy itself
05:34 AM XXCoder: call for re-vote with new info is against democracy
05:34 AM gloops: not without implementing the first decision
05:35 AM XXCoder: and if its impossible?
05:35 AM gloops: its not like - have a vote now and we'll see how we feel again in 2 years
05:35 AM XXCoder: or even better, vote to decide which solution rather than reject
05:35 AM gloops: you cant join and leave the EU in and out etc
05:36 AM gloops: the politicians are looking for ways to stall and wriggle out of it without actually saying - we're not leaving
05:38 AM gloops: XXCoder its not impossible,its just a question of some people have to be realistic and put ancient gripes aside
05:38 AM gloops: theres nothing wrong with customs checks on lorries between 2 countries, every other country in the world has them
05:38 AM gloops: it doesnt mean the UK is attacking ireland
05:40 AM XXCoder: probably not, i dont know enough history to really comment
05:40 AM gloops: we could have a vote to see if we want another vote lol
05:41 AM XXCoder: i suppose lol
05:41 AM XXCoder: though it mght be better to vote on what deal to accept
05:41 AM gloops: but brexit was widely seen as a protest vote against the political elite - any attempt to thwart brexit will be seen as exactly what they were protesting against
05:41 AM XXCoder: I recall that yeah
05:41 AM gloops: look at france now - 18 weeks theyve been rioting
05:41 AM XXCoder: i wonder what percentage thinks it is a mistake now
05:42 AM Wolf__: they haven’t been reporting on the riots there at all in the usa
05:43 AM gloops: what is clear - something is wrong with the EU and something is wrong with our government, the people can sense it
05:43 AM gloops: Wolf__ nor here much, mostly on social media
05:43 AM XXCoder: yep i didnt know there was rioting. usa is getting very isular which is bad thing for superpower,
05:43 AM gloops: they have been real protests
05:44 AM gloops: the yellow vests were out again yesterday
05:45 AM gloops: this was paris yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_M3XaZ_Yb8
05:45 AM Wolf__: so what have you heard, I have heard that it is immigrant labor that has been rioting
05:45 AM XXCoder: why is people in france rioting?
05:46 AM Tom_L: why does anybody riot?
05:46 AM gloops: thats a boring vid though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmlZRMg4Hpw
05:46 AM Wolf__: USA, because someone is paying them
05:46 AM gloops: started off with macrons austerity program - tax hikes, spending cuts etc, now a wider protest against just about everything
05:47 AM XXCoder: never thought austerity was ever a good idea.
05:47 AM gloops: the EU caps all public spending at 2% i think - people are starving in greece
05:47 AM XXCoder: whoa machine learning to improve old tv show ds9 star trek https://youtu.be/hInQkqmjn48
05:48 AM gloops: anyway best get some cutting done lol
05:48 AM XXCoder: later
05:49 AM XXCoder: interesting quality definitely got bump but not all way to true HD I thin
05:49 AM XXCoder: definitely takes most of "blurry" out
05:55 AM gloops: no more chatting thats the second time this cut was in the wrong place lol
06:00 AM jthornton: morning
06:00 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
06:01 AM XXCoder: jthornton: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47551786 lol
06:03 AM jthornton: 3,000 hens can be dangerous to a small animal
06:04 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:10 AM XXCoder: LOL https://youtu.be/uXPZ2COTYNc using pencil eraser and abustives as pattern creator
06:10 AM XXCoder: thats cool idea
06:11 AM XXCoder: i wonder how cnc-able it is, considering eraser wear
06:11 AM XXCoder: or maybe just use spring
06:12 AM jthornton: you just need an eraser probe
06:12 AM XXCoder: is that an actual tool?
06:13 AM jthornton: I have an electric eraser that used to hang on a drafting table a long time ago
06:21 AM XXCoder: electric eraser?
06:22 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceVe4pDLnoY
06:23 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8GP68nLpEY hewing
06:23 AM XXCoder: wow
06:23 AM XXCoder: for all your heavy erasing duties
06:23 AM syyl_: roughing-eraser
06:23 AM jthornton: erase all your machining mistakes
06:23 AM XXCoder: nah I want ctrl-z
06:24 AM XXCoder: man sure wish i had that sometimes.
06:27 AM XXCoder: anyway that eraser thing yeah I'd do cnc with severial m0 to clean, and use eraser (one that loong tube of eraser and not small one at end of pencil)
06:28 AM XXCoder: add spring and custom eraser holder
06:28 AM XXCoder: though not sure how to limit eraser length hm
06:28 AM XXCoder: well bedtime laters
06:28 AM jthornton: night
06:40 AM jthornton: wow gloops posted on the forum
06:41 AM gloops: i did? lol, was just looking at some posts Ichs made
06:41 AM jthornton: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/20-g-code/36198-g10-tooldata-inside-g-code-no-tooltable-workaround-for-crc-offsets-of-tool#128806
06:42 AM jthornton: I just approved it, must have been your first post
06:42 AM gloops: oh yeah, i made a few replies to some stuff, its not my OP
06:42 AM gloops: i joined the forum last year to look at rotating nuts, i didnt make any though
06:43 AM fragalot: 'sup
06:44 AM gloops: nothing much, just going to finish these beehive boxes
06:44 AM jthornton: got a photo of them?
06:45 AM gloops: the bloke at the diy store cut the sides out of square, ruined my life basically
06:45 AM gloops: i can get some of the progress so far when i go back in the garage
06:52 AM fragalot: gloops: the one DIY store that I knew of within a 50km radius that actually cut things square and to size has been taken over by another that doensn't even offer cut services anymore
06:52 AM fragalot: :(
06:52 AM fragalot: the previous one had this really nice cnc saw
06:53 AM fragalot: enter the sizes you want, pop a panel in & hit go and it figured out the best layout automagically
07:24 AM gloops: not much to see really, housing joint on each corner then a stretcher top and bottom with a box joint - just drawing the stretchers https://ibb.co/d7fLHs8
07:26 AM gloops: fragalot the local setup has a nice table saw - the idiot cut my stuff on an old chop saw - i dont think there were any tips left on the blade
07:27 AM gloops: to look like that eventually http://www.bees-online.co.uk/productpics/93-644.jpg
07:30 AM jthornton: interesting design
07:31 AM gloops: British National Standard Hive - they would make it awkward
07:31 AM gloops: its about 20 minutes a hive on the cnc - now ive got working code
07:32 AM jthornton: ours are either finger joints or dovetails
07:33 AM gloops: yeah many are, the WBC hives look nice but pretty complicated, angled box joints
07:33 AM gloops: https://www.dobies.co.uk/Garden/Gift-Ideas/All-Gift-Ideas/View-All-Gifts/WBC-Beehive-Starter-Kit_590425.htm?gclid=CjwKCAjw4LfkBRBDEiwAc2DSlHvwDz
07:34 AM gloops: need to be pretty close with the dimensions though, frames have to fit right, with a 'bee space' room for the bees to crawl round
07:34 AM jthornton: I guess once your setup to make the wbc it's ok but wow that looks tough to make
07:35 AM gloops: yeah im going to have a look at it, its double skinned as well, square boxes inside
07:36 AM jthornton: https://beesource.com/build-it-yourself/10-frame-wbc-hive-steve-moye/
07:37 AM gloops: lol, it looks pretty daunting but i think theyre doable
07:37 AM jthornton: that site even has plans
07:38 AM gloops: there quite a lot of plans kicking about online, some more use than others
07:39 AM gloops: the hive makers even post plans - probably thinking few diyers are going to attempt to them
09:22 AM gloops: done, so far as cnc goes anyway, rest is on the saw https://ibb.co/QcJktmM
09:23 AM Tom_L: nice
09:24 AM pink_vampire: very nice!
09:25 AM gloops: well, a bit rough actually owing to sub standard cutting of boards by supplier, but will do
09:27 AM gloops: so about 1 hours machine time for 3 brood boxes, £100 profit maybe on 3 of those, i can live with that
09:30 AM jthornton: looking good!
09:32 AM gloops: the next batch will be better lol, ill cut everything myself, in fact the cnc could trim them square while its working on the flat - slightly out of square causes problems for setting up vertical
09:58 AM _unreal_: got a nice set of metal boxes I'm going to use one of them for my cnc controller for my small desktop
09:59 AM _unreal_: just finshed gutting all of the original hardware
10:00 AM R2E4: mornin all
10:00 AM R2E4: afternoon or evening....
10:04 AM rmaw: what I want to know is why terresa may wont let the population have another vote, as shes about to have a third attempt on her agreement thats been voted down twice
10:04 AM rmaw: ughh, wrong channel
10:05 AM fragalot: llol
10:06 AM fragalot: because it's the "politically safe" option.
10:09 AM Elmo40: meh
10:09 AM Elmo40: they should split
10:10 AM Elmo40: they never really thought they were 'european'. they are british!
10:10 AM Elmo40: it's like turkey joining the EU... a joke!
10:10 AM Elmo40: so, about them cncmathings... ;-)
10:11 AM Elmo40: if i were to make a dual Y-axis motor setup, due to gantry style machine, would you recommend tying both steppers with a belt to help keep sync?
10:12 AM fragalot: no
10:12 AM Elmo40: and what kind of motor to worm drive couplers do you guys prefer? rigid or flexible?
10:13 AM fragalot: the plastic spider bushing type
10:16 AM Elmo40: my thoughts as well. help remove some of the motor humm but still provide little backlash.
10:17 AM Elmo40: i was also thinking of a trust bearing on the end of the shaft. help prevent any extra drift from rapid movements.
10:17 AM Elmo40: why would tying them together physically be a bad thing?
10:17 AM fragalot: you should only have that on one end
10:17 AM fragalot: because the motors might fight each-other
10:18 AM fragalot: either you have one big motor & couple them together mechanically, or 2 motors and keep fully separate
10:18 AM Elmo40: isn't that the whole point? to keep them both in-line with each other
10:18 AM Elmo40: i was thinking of one large motor and coupling them...
10:19 AM fragalot: then that would work, the only error you'll have then is belt slop
10:20 AM Elmo40: true. with almost 36" in between, that is a lot of belt!
10:21 AM fragalot: hence 2 fully separate motors. :-)
10:23 AM gloops: Elmo40 linuxcnc runs 2 motors on one axis perfectly, there is no difference between the motion of either motor (apart from maybe slight mechanical differences in the motors themselves)
10:24 AM fragalot: and if they're losing steps, you've got bigger problems anyway
10:24 AM gloops: i suppose so yes
10:26 AM Elmo40: i only lost my step when i had too much green beer... ;-)
10:28 AM gloops: there isnt much force on a belt driving ballscrews though, motor drive belts dont get the hammer direct drive belts get
10:28 AM gloops: still there though, flying from one direction to another fast, have to have the tension right to avoid backlash and slipping etc
10:29 AM fragalot: or direct drive the ballscrew
10:31 AM Tom_L: morning peeps
10:31 AM gloops: i might get rid of belts altogether when i swap my motors
10:31 AM Tom_L: gloops you're running 2.8 right?
10:32 AM Tom_L: i loaded it but it stalled when i tried running a program so i put the 2.7 ssd back in for now
10:39 AM R2E4: morning Tom
10:40 AM Tom_L: hi
10:41 AM gloops: Tom_L yes im on 2.8 - just going out this second though
10:44 AM JT-Shop2: Tom_L: I'm running 2.8 on the mill as well
10:45 AM R2E4: hi JT
10:46 AM Tom_L: i need to put the ssd back in to see why it stalled but i wanted to finish those threads first
10:47 AM Tom_L: andy thought it could be the new multi spindle support
10:47 AM R2E4: I just updated mine to latest 2.8 with no problems.
10:48 AM Tom_L: i bumped the speed up on em btw and it works great
10:49 AM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BmapKLIp44
10:50 AM fragalot: lmao
10:50 AM pink_vampire: what super power this g0704 use to cut like that in to steel?
10:50 AM fragalot: the power of video editing
10:51 AM Tom_L: wtf is that power meter @ .42?
10:52 AM Tom_L: or is that a DRO
10:52 AM fragalot: lthat is a DRO
10:52 AM Tom_L: well crap.
10:52 AM Tom_L: i'm looking for a decent power meter
10:52 AM pink_vampire: i need rails!!
10:52 AM Tom_L: get some
10:52 AM pink_vampire: kill a watt?
10:53 AM Tom_L: wouldn't mind having his drawer full of tooling either
10:53 AM pink_vampire: Tom_L: it is not about getting the rails, it is about get the rails correctly on the machine
10:53 AM fragalot: that's only a matter of trial & error
10:53 AM fragalot: until you run out of error
10:54 AM Tom_L: or give up on the trial
10:54 AM pink_vampire: lol
10:54 AM pink_vampire: my pyvcp code start look like something decent
10:55 AM pink_vampire: and i dis all that with the mini keyboard O_O
10:56 AM Loetmichel: maaan, sometimes i want to live in the US... i will get my "new" used car in a few minutes delivered on my premises by the dealer... just opened the City website to get an appointment to register the car and get the tags... next aviable appointment: 03/28/19... maaan does that piss me off... and no, you cant drive here in germany without a license plate, thats REALLY expensive if you get
10:56 AM Loetmichel: caught. and getting caught is very likely
10:56 AM fragalot: first of all
10:56 AM fragalot: why on earth are you using US date notation
10:57 AM * Tom_L snickers
10:57 AM fragalot: secondly,.. that wait time isn't that abnormal for that stuff
10:57 AM pink_vampire: Loetmichel: but you have the autobahn !
10:57 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: because that comment was aimed at americans ;)
10:58 AM fragalot: pink_vampire: half the time there is a traffic jam or road works going on anyway on there
10:58 AM Tom_L: Loetmichel, after the appointment is set do you just walk in and sit down or do you still wait in line for 4 hours waiting your turn?
10:58 AM Tom_L: welcome to the US
10:58 AM Loetmichel: and its no wait time. its just that you cant get the tags/registration without an appointment. My city has no "go in, wait until someone is free to do the job" any more.
10:59 AM Tom_L: you got no gripes then sir.
10:59 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: usually the wait is about one hour. IF you have an appointment that is.
10:59 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: over here the insurance company has to request the plates & get them delivered to you
10:59 AM Tom_L: they finally did implement the txt your place in line thing here
11:00 AM pink_vampire: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/22/america-autobahn-california-legislator-proposes-no-speed-limit-plan/2946374002/
11:00 AM pink_vampire: we are getting there...
11:00 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: here you have to requeste a "green card" from the insurance (basically just a the number of your insurance contract) and with that the City office will give you the plates
11:01 AM Tom_L: i think Wyoming has no posted speed in places
11:01 AM Loetmichel: ( or will give you a permit to go outside, get some plates made by the conveniently placed plate makers around the office, go back in and get them stamped)
11:01 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: here even returning the plate if the car is sold has to go via the insurance company
11:01 AM fragalot: but only the front plate
11:01 AM fragalot: the rear one is a copy made where-ever
11:01 AM fragalot: usually you get the front plate delivered just after closing hours of those place
11:02 AM fragalot: :P
11:02 AM Tom_L: so if i'm gonna steal your plates get the front one?
11:02 AM Loetmichel: here both plates are "government issued"
11:02 AM Loetmichel: and you can actually go to jail for making one yourself
11:02 AM fragalot: Tom_L: that is the most annoying one, yes
11:02 AM fragalot: wait no, it's the other way around
11:02 AM fragalot: rear is official, front has to be an exact copy
11:03 AM Tom_L: you'd think as valueable as these things are they would attach them with something other than a screw
11:03 AM fragalot: well, they do
11:03 AM fragalot: they use 2 screws.
11:03 AM Tom_L: ahh yeah, my bad...
11:04 AM Tom_L: be annoying and use one straight slot and one phillips screw
11:04 AM fragalot: hehe
11:05 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: i just lost a front plate on my old car two months ago
11:05 AM Loetmichel: actually in mid december
11:05 AM Loetmichel: took me to mid february to get it replaced.
11:05 AM fragalot: yea...
11:05 AM Loetmichel: and THREE appointments at the office
11:05 AM fragalot: did you have to get the police involved first to document the loss?
11:06 AM Loetmichel: because first appointment i forgot the old registration, second attempt they told me that my wife (who registered the car) has to be present in person and sign the "i have lost the plate" document...
11:06 AM Loetmichel: and third time we made that happen
11:06 AM Loetmichel: no
11:07 AM Loetmichel: police
11:07 AM Loetmichel: and the old numbers are now on the "fahndungsliste" for the next 15 years...
11:07 AM Loetmichel: :-)
11:08 AM Tom_L: how long are your plates good for?
11:08 AM fragalot: life of the car here
11:08 AM Tom_L: no annual renewal?
11:08 AM fragalot: no
11:09 AM fragalot: well you pay your road tax obviously
11:09 AM Tom_L: they should get up to speed on that.. look at all the revenue they're missing
11:09 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: life of the car
11:09 AM Loetmichel: or even the next car
11:10 AM Tom_L: nice
11:10 AM fragalot: I don't think you can transfer them anymore here
11:10 AM fragalot: you certainly could in the past
11:10 AM Tom_L: we can transfer tags but have to go thru the process
11:10 AM Loetmichel: you can take the license number "with you" to the next car if you register the new car at the same time you unregister the old one
11:10 AM Tom_L: ^^
11:10 AM Tom_L: otherwise you get a new one
11:11 AM Loetmichel: the only "annual" thing is the road-safety sticker on the back license plate that has to be renewed every two years
11:11 AM Tom_L: they tried that here for a few years but it just turned into a money making thing for the shops
11:11 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: unless you are changing cities
11:11 AM Loetmichel: because the city is coded into the license plate
11:11 AM Tom_L: state thing here, not city
11:12 AM Tom_L: well, county
11:12 AM Loetmichel: mine reads "OF-K 1453" because i live in Offenbach
11:13 AM Loetmichel: or lets just say: we changed the license plate to have a blue stripe with the EU stars in them on the left
11:13 AM Loetmichel: somwhere in the 2000s
11:13 AM Loetmichel: you can still see cars driving around with the old plain white license plates
11:13 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14691&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:14 AM fragalot: you still can if you add the EU country sticker to the car
11:14 AM fragalot: i think
11:14 AM fragalot: (if you drive outside of .de)
11:14 AM Loetmichel: upper brown dot is the road safety sticker (year is colour coded)
11:14 AM Loetmichel: lower dot is the city seal
11:15 AM Loetmichel: the front has only the lower city seal sticker on it
11:15 AM fragalot: does anyone know what the scret is behind sandvik's silent tools?
11:15 AM fragalot: is it hydraulic vibration damping, or what?
11:15 AM SpeedEvil: fragalot: caterpillar drive.
11:15 AM fragalot: :D
11:16 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: the tools ar a nuclear sub?
11:17 AM SpeedEvil: fragalot: I would expect a patent number somewhere on this.
11:18 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: as i dont know which tools we talking: i had some Würth hole saws that did the "silent" by variyng the distance between teeth
11:18 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.sandvik.coromant.com/en-gb/mww/pages/inn_trondheim1.aspx gives you the name of the guy who may be on the patent, I would look more, but I got bore.
11:18 AM SpeedEvil: d
11:18 AM Loetmichel: so no two teeth have the same distance: no chatter
11:19 AM SpeedEvil: The blurb there implies there may be active stuff.
11:19 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: lathe boring bars, face mill extensions
11:19 AM Loetmichel: ah
11:19 AM Loetmichel: yeah, looking at the link: that looks active
11:19 AM SpeedEvil: I was wondering about hax involving fast voice coils and sensors on a granite plate for rough turning.
11:20 AM SpeedEvil: I mean precise turning with rough positioners.
11:20 AM fragalot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH7xk-VeSrM 0:55
11:20 AM fragalot: could it be as simple as a free-moving counterweight in rubber bushings?
11:25 AM fragalot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprrGybRYAQ <== basically, mass held within rubber rings
11:29 AM SpeedEvil: It could be.
11:29 AM SpeedEvil: There are lots of plausible dampers.
11:30 AM fragalot: just loving the simplicity
11:30 AM SpeedEvil: They will all have lower performance than good active dampers, but that may be quite fine.
11:30 AM fragalot: sure, but that adds compexity & cost
11:30 AM SpeedEvil: I mean - filling with sand, or putting your finger on it often will damp things, so more is not always require.
11:31 AM SpeedEvil: You'd want to look at easily excitable resonances in your tool and support, engineer out the ones that can easily be one, and then damp the ones you can't.
11:31 AM fragalot: anyway
11:31 AM SpeedEvil: High Q damping can be really good.
11:31 AM fragalot: has anyone here ever run a dual spindle / dual turret lathe?
11:31 AM fragalot: i'm just wondeirng how on earth the G-code is set up to do those motions simultaneously
11:32 AM fragalot: or would you have to rely heavily on built-in cycles
11:33 AM Tom_L: 2.8 supports multi spindle
11:35 AM Tom_L: dunno how G33 works with that
11:37 AM Tom_L: looks like that's still axis to spindle sync
11:37 AM Tom_L: but you can pick the spindle
11:39 AM fragalot: i'm more interested in how multi-turret would be done
11:39 AM Tom_L: yeah, i have no idea
11:39 AM fragalot: because you're doing cutting motions & profiling with one whilst the other may be drilling
11:39 AM fragalot: or milling or whatever
11:39 AM Tom_L: and keep from hitting each other
11:40 AM fragalot: that's probably more up to the operator :P
11:40 AM Tom_L: i know the okuma single spindle i ran had soft limits you could set so the tools wouldn't go past that point
11:40 AM Tom_L: so you wouldn't hit the spindle etc
11:46 AM Loetmichel: soo, car arrived... a REALLY blue 2001 BMW 525i station wagon... but it drives and has 1 year road safety check... for 2100 eur thats ok. ;)
11:48 AM Tom_L: no rust?
11:49 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: next to none, not even the rear door or the wheel wells
11:49 AM Loetmichel: https://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/bmw-baureihe-5-touring-525iklima-neu-t%C3%BCv-sitzheizung-h%C3%B6sbach-bahnhof/274977816.html
11:49 AM Loetmichel: thats the car i bought
11:50 AM Tom_L: mileage?
11:50 AM Tom_L: 243km
11:50 AM Loetmichel: 243000km ;)
11:50 AM Tom_L: quite a few
11:50 AM Tom_L: but does it burn oil?
11:51 AM Loetmichel: 151k miles
11:51 AM Loetmichel: no, exhaust is clean
11:51 AM Tom_L: ahh, that's not so bad
11:51 AM Loetmichel: also not that many oil drops on the engine
11:51 AM Loetmichel: i looked
11:51 AM Tom_L: i think all but my 2018 have that many
12:00 PM * Loetmichel just had fun parking that thing on the backyard... MAN thats at least 10 years since i last drove a stick shift... takes a bit of "getting used to again" ;)
12:01 PM fragalot: :P
12:01 PM Tom_L: heh
12:02 PM fragalot: https://imgur.com/gallery/miIFzgE <=
12:15 PM pink_vampire: done!
12:16 PM pink_vampire: i just finish the stock probing gui in pyvcp
12:23 PM Jymmm: pink_vampire: video or it never happened ;)
12:28 PM pink_vampire: lol
12:28 PM pink_vampire: one sec
12:56 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: https://imgur.com/gallery/P4Fz6qC
01:07 PM Jymmm: fragalot: SCORE!!!! two points
01:07 PM fragalot: :D
01:09 PM Lcvette: > what super power this g0704 use to cut like that in to steel?
01:09 PM Lcvette: Looks like it may be a BF30 which is a bit beefier than a G0704
01:10 PM Lcvette: pink_vampire: ∆
01:10 PM fragalot: fancy little up arrow you have there
01:10 PM Tom_L: Lcvette i finally ran that cutter up to 4k rpm @ 12ipm
01:11 PM Tom_L: still not how you like it :)
01:11 PM Lcvette: Nice!
01:11 PM Lcvette: Lol
01:11 PM Tom_L: iirc that's about .0005 ipt
01:11 PM Lcvette: Did it cry
01:11 PM Tom_L: no
01:12 PM Tom_L: just don't feel like screwing up an $80 cutter
01:12 PM pink_vampire: uploading....
01:12 PM Lcvette: That's not possible
01:13 PM Lcvette: Your actually doing more hard cutting slow
01:13 PM Tom_L: i cried when i had to cut the shank off a little
01:13 PM Lcvette: Harm
01:13 PM gloops: Tom_L was going to say earlier - i installed 2.8 as an upgrade, not from scratch, the mrs was looking at me though waiting to go heh
01:13 PM Tom_L: i figured you had to go somewhere
01:13 PM Tom_L: not sure why mine stalls out
01:13 PM pink_vampire: Tom_L: i'm with you, take it easy
01:14 PM Tom_L: actually $90
01:14 PM Tom_L: the way i look at it though is i now have a full set of imperial and metric taps & dies :D
01:14 PM Lcvette: Was your spindle struggling?
01:14 PM Tom_L: that's the issue
01:14 PM Tom_L: i don't want to stall it
01:15 PM Tom_L: so i'm creeping up slowly
01:15 PM Tom_L: until i know what it can do with a cutter i start slow
01:15 PM Lcvette: Is a very low engagement cutter
01:15 PM Tom_L: if it was a 3hp spindle i wouldn't worry
01:15 PM Tom_L: i realize that
01:16 PM Tom_L: the spindle will handle a .250 cutter full width .2" depth but it gets hot
01:16 PM Lcvette: I cut the same speed with a #8 single point that mill
01:16 PM Lcvette: Thread
01:16 PM Tom_L: i set them all up the same
01:17 PM Tom_L: i've got from #10 up to 3/4
01:17 PM Lcvette: If you compared the two you would understand your worry was misplaced
01:17 PM Tom_L: i broke a #10 but that was my fault
01:17 PM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwHcz2WcpU
01:17 PM Lcvette: That big one your showing isn't. Going to get hurt
01:18 PM Lcvette: But you will dull the tips from rubbing
01:18 PM Tom_L: not unless i really screw up programming it
01:18 PM Tom_L: yeah
01:18 PM Tom_L: do you run the #8 at .001" ipt?
01:18 PM pink_vampire: Jymmm: ^
01:19 PM Lcvette: Yup
01:19 PM Tom_L: but it's only got like 3 teeth
01:19 PM Tom_L: so it'll be a little slower anyway
01:19 PM Lcvette: Smaller they are the smaller the engagement is
01:19 PM pink_vampire: i did a video that show the new pyvcp interface
01:19 PM Tom_L: the smaller the shank is too
01:20 PM Tom_L: the shaft diameter on it is .069"
01:20 PM Lcvette: Pitch diameter offset shrinks
01:20 PM Tom_L: i know
01:21 PM Tom_L: i added models of all of them to my cad cam so i can visualize it
01:21 PM Lcvette: If you set the pass depth up correctly the cuts have the same load
01:21 PM Tom_L: i don't right now. i have them set to user chosen number of equal passes
01:22 PM Tom_L: on my macro
01:22 PM Tom_L: 3 seems to be a good number for that
01:22 PM Lcvette: Try A ratio
01:22 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure i can do that in the macro
01:24 PM Lcvette: Percentage of pitch diameter
01:24 PM Lcvette: For aluminum 2 depths is plenty
01:25 PM Tom_L: 3 with a spring pass?
01:25 PM Lcvette: One and a spring is all I usually use
01:25 PM Tom_L: thread milling is probably safer than rigid tapping
01:26 PM Lcvette: I only go to multiple depths in harder materials
01:26 PM Tom_L: at least you can't get the tool stuck in the hole
01:26 PM gloops: very good pink_vampire!
01:26 PM Lcvette: Or for bigger threads
01:26 PM gloops: also excellent narration
01:27 PM pink_vampire: lol
01:27 PM Lcvette: Anything 5/16's and smaller, single cut depth + spring
01:28 PM pink_vampire: I need to make one for holes
01:28 PM Tom_L: Lcvette how much do you leave for the spring pass?
01:29 PM Tom_L: none?
01:29 PM Lcvette: But if you do multiple depths, see if you can setup the macro to do (pitch diameter offset* 0.60)/2
01:30 PM Jymmm: pink_vampire: very cool =)
01:30 PM Tom_L: Lcvette, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Smartcam/ThreadMill_Multi.mcl
01:30 PM pink_vampire: thanks!
01:30 PM Lcvette: Second pass (pitch diameter offset * 0.40)/2
01:30 PM Tom_L: there it is
01:30 PM Lcvette: None
01:30 PM Tom_L: that does all of em though
01:30 PM Tom_L: RH LH OD ID
01:31 PM fragalot: pink_vampire: that is looking great!
01:32 PM pink_vampire: i hope it will continue to look grate
01:32 PM Tom_L: Lcvette including lead in lead out moves
01:33 PM Lcvette: Nice!
01:33 PM Lcvette: You will it?
01:33 PM Lcvette: Wrote
01:33 PM Tom_L: yeah
01:33 PM Lcvette: Very nice!!
01:34 PM Tom_L: it's old software so it doesn't just magically do it
01:34 PM Tom_L: but it's full 3d so i keep it
01:34 PM Lcvette: What is it?
01:34 PM Tom_L: smartcam 4.61
01:35 PM Tom_L: they're up to like 19 or 50 by now :D
01:35 PM Lcvette: Never heard of it
01:35 PM Lcvette: Lol
01:35 PM Tom_L: it was better than mastercam when i bought it
01:35 PM Tom_L: now mastercam leads the market in small shops
01:35 PM pink_vampire: tom i can make you gcode on my hsm, and just change the stuff to variables
01:36 PM Tom_L: pink_vampire been there already
01:36 PM Tom_L: not percentage wise though
01:36 PM pink_vampire: oh ok
01:36 PM Tom_L: Lcvette i might look at it at some point
01:37 PM Tom_L: just happy to have anything right now
01:37 PM Lcvette: Tom_L you need to come help me with the conversational page in probe basic!
01:37 PM Tom_L: heh
01:37 PM Tom_L: i hated running anything conversational
01:38 PM Lcvette: Me too
01:38 PM Lcvette: How do we change that?
01:38 PM Tom_L: i'm running linuxcnc
01:38 PM Tom_L: ymmv
01:38 PM fragalot: I actually quite like the conversational stuff on heidenhain
01:39 PM Lcvette: Probe basic is Linux cnc
01:39 PM Tom_L: i did it on the okuma lathe but we didn't run that many different parts on it
01:41 PM JT-Shop: pink_vampire: looking great!
01:41 PM pink_vampire: thanks!
01:46 PM Jymmm: the ice pick jackhammer was funny =)
01:53 PM _unreal_: there just finished mounting my 3 motor controllers
01:53 PM _unreal_: next have to solve the wiring
01:54 PM pink_vampire: what do you mean by "solve"?
01:54 PM _unreal_: my machine is setup one way and the motor controllers are setup an other
01:55 PM _unreal_: I need to get the wires RUN into the box
01:55 PM pink_vampire: pics will help
01:56 PM _unreal_: uno momento my lovely
01:57 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/sharing
01:57 PM _unreal_: can you view that?
01:58 PM pink_vampire: no...
01:58 PM fragalot: lol
01:59 PM pink_vampire: C:\Users\user\Pictures
02:00 PM _unreal_: c: ?
02:00 PM fragalot: ~/Photos
02:00 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipN0PJNIhsdLWV0suLwifby3I7DUetpdpmPybMvaWq6HqrDBZEGqSNDdCal_4F3BjA?key=NHdNaE52MDJwQWVvaWlXREJ3bkg5MUxYMm1rNmh3
02:00 PM _unreal_: how about that?
02:00 PM pink_vampire: I'm still waiting for the linux version of solidworks
02:01 PM _unreal_: does that link work?
02:01 PM pink_vampire: AWWWWWWWWWWWWW super cute machine!!
02:01 PM _unreal_: BS
02:01 PM _unreal_: one sec
02:01 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNzdfZNUarNgku_9bozAcdvZN0wvjyQRZLe3QVgZ6o3ATFXlSMEVEw3oZLiKUmhFw?key=eWV5Um1XOFdURFdjcVNzZjBvY3lwUVI0ZGdQbWFn
02:02 PM pink_vampire: parenting done right
02:04 PM _unreal_: That entire machine hand made
02:04 PM _unreal_: the GREEN board is G10
02:04 PM _unreal_: a type of fiberglass board, VERY strong
02:04 PM _unreal_: expensive but very very strong
02:04 PM _unreal_: but I got lots of free scraps
02:04 PM pink_vampire: look amazing!!
02:05 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO5J-21H9jlZUkZHA--9alBLDviAt3TYy75_4wdEcahrCbT9Za5Pk-8oxtutDiCqQ?key=NzBTS2ZxMkZnZUtiTy0xU0JackRRX054a3JHLWpB
02:05 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPGHpfeDoaNFsEoAMyDw96AiA58gZhN0otTf5pU63kpkjYkxw5zhYHYoF2W9f_NUw?key=M3NoZHcwdFFHcG44bVIzR2c1M2ZEa2NCWUZpdEpR
02:06 PM pink_vampire: look very heavy duty fiber glass board
02:08 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwHcz2WcpU
02:10 PM _unreal_: very
02:11 PM _unreal_: I'm uploading an entire cash of photos right now
02:11 PM _unreal_: so I can "" should "" be able to give one link
02:11 PM _unreal_: checking
02:11 PM _unreal_: ooooo touch probe
02:11 PM pink_vampire: I'm using imgur
02:11 PM _unreal_: one of the photos I posted there is an A axis
02:12 PM _unreal_: not designed as an A but I'm going to use it as one
02:12 PM fragalot: you can create a shared album on google photos to share the lot in one go
02:12 PM fragalot: rather than paste 50 links
02:12 PM _unreal_: high tollerance
02:12 PM _unreal_: fagalot ya trying to figure that out right now :)
02:12 PM _unreal_: waiting for my hpone to upload right now
02:13 PM _unreal_: yay 50%
02:14 PM fragalot: _unreal_: select the pictures you want to share by clicking the little tick mark in the top left of them
02:15 PM fragalot: then click the share button in the top-right, and click "make link" .. random example: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yJADFGVkGeJTYJLk8
02:25 PM _unreal_: is this view able? https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
02:25 PM fragalot: yes
02:25 PM _unreal_: sweeet
02:26 PM _unreal_: no more rabid link sharing
02:26 PM fragalot: :p
02:26 PM _unreal_: So what do you think?
02:26 PM fragalot: normally you should get shorter links though
02:26 PM fragalot: like the one I made :/
02:26 PM Tom_L: tinyurl
02:26 PM Tom_L: dot com
02:26 PM fragalot: there shouldn't be any need for that
02:26 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: look amazing!!!!
02:27 PM _unreal_: I can make the shells any color
02:27 PM _unreal_: I chose to marble this one
02:27 PM fragalot: reminds me of my very first own tv
02:27 PM fragalot: :D
02:27 PM _unreal_: I have a LOCK out key
02:27 PM _unreal_: so only the key can turn the system on
02:28 PM _unreal_: That way when I finally finish building the cnc machine I'm building
02:28 PM _unreal_: I can ensure no one can fux with it
02:29 PM _unreal_: so I just discoverd something I never noticed before
02:29 PM _unreal_: this thing is already preempt https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
02:29 PM _unreal_: fark
02:29 PM _unreal_: tinker@tinkerboard:~$ uname -a
02:29 PM _unreal_: Linux tinkerboard 4.19.20-rockchip #5.75 SMP PREEMPT Fri Feb 8 11:59:37 CET 2019 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
02:29 PM _unreal_: ok so next i need to compile/install linuxcnc
02:29 PM _unreal_: all that damn fretting over nothing
02:29 PM fragalot: lol
02:29 PM _unreal_: and it already was real time OS
02:30 PM fragalot: where are you from?
02:30 PM _unreal_: hell
02:30 PM _unreal_: :)
02:30 PM fragalot: :D
02:30 PM _unreal_: originally from MAINE
02:30 PM _unreal_: I gave up winter
02:30 PM fragalot: same difference
02:30 PM _unreal_: ya hell froze over LOL
02:30 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, my lcd is a RPI 7" touch
02:31 PM _unreal_: only thing I have yet to figure out is how to get the damn DISPLAY to output the right resolution
02:32 PM _unreal_: onlything that pissis me off is that linuxcnc refuses to support GRBL
02:33 PM _unreal_: would suddenly make so many motor controllers usable and massivly expand linuxcncs usefulness
02:38 PM _unreal_: having a build issue? PREEMPT
02:38 PM _unreal_: fark
02:38 PM _unreal_: tinker@tinkerboard:~/Downloads/linuxcnc-dev/src$ make
02:38 PM _unreal_: Makefile:71: Makefile.inc: No such file or directory
02:38 PM _unreal_: Makefile:82: *** Makefile.inc must specify RTPREFIX and other variables. Stop.
02:38 PM _unreal_: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/code/building-linuxcnc.html
02:40 PM Tom_L: grbl is for toys
02:45 PM jdh: how would lcnc even 'support' it?
02:45 PM _unreal_: lol
02:46 PM _unreal_: grbl is serial protocal, the networked smooth steppers etc... are SERIAL protocal
02:46 PM Tom_L: modbus etc
02:47 PM jdh: I thought grbl was a cnc 'control' that ran on arduinos
02:47 PM Tom_L: it is
02:47 PM _unreal_: jdh it is but it uses a FORM OF MODBUS
02:47 PM jdh: so
02:48 PM gloops: someone has set up linuxcnc , tried some gcode, did not set speed feeds, so no F in the gcode - should linuxcnc fall back on a default in that situation? its thrown an error
02:48 PM Tom_L: so what you meant to say is you wished linuxcnc supported your modbus smart steppers
02:48 PM _unreal_: yep
02:48 PM Tom_L: gloops i believe you need to set an initial Feed
02:48 PM gloops: yeah it does look like that Tom_L
02:48 PM Tom_L: and S word
02:49 PM _unreal_: arg... every time I try to make linuxcnc I get libncurses5-dev
02:49 PM Tom_L: there is no default for those
02:49 PM Tom_L: except 0
02:49 PM _unreal_: Makefile.inc: No such file or directory
02:52 PM gloops: installing from the ISO _unreal_ ?
02:52 PM Tom_L: he's using an arm board
02:52 PM Tom_L: he can't
02:52 PM gloops: ahh
02:54 PM _unreal_: ahhh dpkg-checkbuilddeps just came up with a shit load of MIA dependencies
02:55 PM a-u: Have you gone through the build process under Linux?
02:56 PM _unreal_: OMG 3000megs of dependincies
02:56 PM Tom_L: probably looking for one file
02:56 PM _unreal_: a-u likely not I'm following the 2 pages
02:56 PM a-u: On the PC type platform?
02:56 PM _unreal_: armbian arm
02:57 PM _unreal_: a-u http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/code/building-linuxcnc.html#Satisfying-Build-Dependencies https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/33521-building-linuxcnc-dev-on-ubuntu-16-04-preempt-rt-kernel
02:58 PM a-u: Yeah - surprisingly big system for what seemed a small program -- but I've learned much after weeks of reading and building
02:59 PM _unreal_: this is my first go at building
03:00 PM _unreal_: I didnt realize that my armbian version was already preempt
03:00 PM andypugh: Most are preempt. You need preempt-rt
03:03 PM _unreal_: !
03:03 PM _unreal_: ok
03:03 PM _unreal_: so then its not RT
03:03 PM _unreal_: I've never built kernels before
03:03 PM andypugh: Not unlsess uname says “rt”
03:04 PM Tom_L: i wonder if it might be easier to just use machine kit instead of linuxcnc on that?
03:04 PM andypugh: Well, that’s not necessarily true. When you build a kernel you get to choose what you call it. You could call your kernel “Brian” if you wanted.
03:04 PM Tom_L: capn_bob
03:05 PM _unreal_: nope no -rt
03:06 PM _unreal_: supposidly I could update the kernel via the apt?
03:06 PM _unreal_: arg.... stil have 5min of downloading to do
03:07 PM _unreal_: my build is armbian bionic
03:07 PM _unreal_: https://github.com/armbian/build/tree/master/patch/kernel
03:08 PM JT-Shop: _unreal_: what are you trying to build?
03:08 PM Tom_L: linuxcnc to work on his tinkerboard
03:08 PM Tom_L: which is arm based
03:08 PM JT-Shop: oh, never mind then lol
03:08 PM Tom_L: :D
03:09 PM JT-Shop: I thought we have arm based deb???
03:09 PM Tom_L: run n hide.... quick
03:09 PM Tom_L: no idea
03:09 PM _unreal_: if its in the repositories that would be geat
03:09 PM _unreal_: I just need to get this system real time
03:09 PM _unreal_: my tinker board
03:09 PM _unreal_: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
03:10 PM _unreal_: That is the system
03:10 PM andypugh: We build armhf versions of linuxCNC, but not the realtime kernels
03:10 PM _unreal_: and https://www.armbian.com/tinkerboard/
03:10 PM _unreal_: I need a RT version
03:10 PM _unreal_: the tinker board is 2X the computer the pi is
03:11 PM _unreal_: 2x the memory 2x the cpu......
03:11 PM _unreal_: newer GPU
03:11 PM _unreal_: I can run blender great on it...
03:11 PM _unreal_: so I'm trying to get it to work with linuxcnc
03:11 PM andypugh: How id your Japanese? I see Tinkerboard and Xenoami here: https://yseki118.exblog.jp/27530361/
03:12 PM _unreal_: people have built it in the past but no one has posted any SD images or anything so annoying bosted plenty of videos on youtube
03:12 PM _unreal_: light at best
03:12 PM _unreal_: and ya I've seen that link
03:12 PM _unreal_: not a lot of help though
03:13 PM _unreal_: That was also posted in 2017
03:14 PM _unreal_: yay the download is done
03:14 PM _unreal_: OK What would I be looking for to use APT to try and find a prebuilt RT kernel?
03:15 PM _unreal_: tinker@tinkerboard:~/Downloads/linuxcnc-dev$ sudo apt search preempt
03:15 PM _unreal_: [sudo] password for tinker:
03:15 PM _unreal_: Sorting... Done
03:15 PM _unreal_: Full Text Search... Done
03:15 PM _unreal_: rtirq-init/bionic 20150216-2 all
03:15 PM _unreal_: startup script for realtime-preempt enabled kernels
03:17 PM _unreal_: hello?
03:17 PM _unreal_: rtirq<_unreal_> rtirq-init/bionic 20150216-2 all
03:17 PM _unreal_: I'm not sure if that is a kernel or what?
03:18 PM andypugh: It says it is a startup script
03:18 PM _unreal_: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rtirq-init
03:18 PM _unreal_: not sure how that helps me :)
03:18 PM andypugh: I am pretty sure it doesn't
03:23 PM _unreal_: well I got to go take a quick shower and drive for 3 FUCKING hours to get my daughter.... POS xwife keeps moving farther and farther away
03:23 PM _unreal_: 3hr just to pick my daughter up
03:23 PM _unreal_: OR drop off
03:23 PM andypugh: Can’t you post her?
03:24 PM _unreal_: tried ssh tunnel wasnt big enough and Xwife is life illiterate
03:24 PM _unreal_: hence she only gets her on weekends
03:24 PM _unreal_: and rare at most
03:24 PM _unreal_: if any of you could help me fiogure out this RT kernel I'd be very greatful
03:25 PM _unreal_: inface, if i make an offer if anyone can fix my software issues in full and lives in the USA I'll make them one of these fiberglass shells https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
03:25 PM _unreal_: infact
03:26 PM _unreal_: well looks like I just gained a few more min..
03:26 PM _unreal_: xwife is delaying her departing time
03:40 PM jdh: heh... I have a Pi on that same shitty desk
03:41 PM jdh: and same hot air gun?
03:44 PM DaViruz: oh dear, my friend has baught a third waterhet that he wants me to retrofit
03:45 PM DaViruz: waterjet
03:47 PM _unreal_: same shitty desk?
03:48 PM jdh: well, mine is shitty. I bought it in 1983?
03:48 PM miss0r2: hello DaViruz, long time no see :)
03:48 PM _unreal_: jdh 858d?
03:48 PM jdh: https://imgur.com/2gDMSX4
03:48 PM DaViruz: time flies
03:49 PM _unreal_: I use to have a nice desk. left it with my parents when I moved to florida. and I was supposed to send money to have it shipped down... THEY FUCKING sold it on me.. really nice large metal desk
03:49 PM _unreal_: jdh, similar but not the same desk
03:49 PM _unreal_: this one is ONLY as wide as what you see
03:50 PM _unreal_: no side shelfs nothing
03:50 PM jdh: I got it for my TRS80
03:50 PM _unreal_: foot area for a desktop but other then that ya this desk blows
03:51 PM jdh: heh, have the orange plies and a handfull of smt stuff on dip carriers
03:51 PM jdh: pliers
03:52 PM _unreal_: harber freight
03:52 PM jdh: yep
03:52 PM _unreal_: yep
03:53 PM _unreal_: dirt cheap and works
03:54 PM _unreal_: but ya jdh my offer stands.... if anyone can solve my software issue and live in the USA I'll build them one of those shells
03:54 PM _unreal_: offer stands untill I get the software figured out
03:55 PM _unreal_: then there is no more need :)
03:55 PM _unreal_: When I do get it setup and working I'm going to have it posted to github
03:58 PM a-u: I’ve had connection issues - what was your issue? RTAI support on ARM platform?
04:09 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, erector set for adults
04:09 PM _unreal_: a-u, you get all of that?
04:09 PM miss0r2: _unreal_: Yeah :) I just ordered for ~900 from england...
04:09 PM a-u: I’ve been using LCNC for hmm a decade but just started a new build but from old kernel experience ...
04:09 PM _unreal_: sudo shutdown -fN
04:09 PM _unreal_: fark
04:09 PM miss0r2: this Brexit is giving me a some stress
04:10 PM miss0r2: Theres alot of stuff I need to get here before they put import taxes on it
04:10 PM andypugh: miss0r2: You need to train the engine to rebuilt itself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVDrGsaDME
04:10 PM miss0r2: andypugh: I think its too old to teach it new tricks.. but it would be lovely :)
04:10 PM _unreal_: back around 8:30-9pm EST
04:10 PM a-u: ... Need to see if anyone else has attempted this RT on arm first.
04:10 PM miss0r2: The engine I'm rebuilding is from 1069
04:11 PM miss0r2: 1969*
04:11 PM _unreal_: a-u
04:11 PM _unreal_: yes
04:11 PM miss0r2: hehe
04:11 PM _unreal_: a bunch have but no one has posted there build files
04:11 PM _unreal_: bunch of youtube videos using tinker and lcnc
04:11 PM andypugh: Ah, I don’t know much about those modern engines.
04:11 PM _unreal_: ok I'm out
04:24 PM gloops: miss0r2 get a v8 in the landy
04:40 PM XXCoder: hey _unreal_ curious why must fiberglass
05:06 PM Deejay: gn8
05:54 PM XXCoder: this is cool. http://woodgears.ca/tech/heater_aimer.html
05:54 PM XXCoder: perfect for cold shops
06:13 PM andypugh: Something very ED209 about that
06:13 PM andypugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFvqDaFpXeM
06:13 PM XXCoder: lol
06:14 PM XXCoder: grid on "windscreen" is noticable different on walking and standing
06:14 PM XXCoder: didnt notice till now
06:20 PM pink_vampire: hi XXCoder
06:20 PM XXCoder: hey
06:20 PM XXCoder: whats up
06:20 PM pink_vampire: I'm fine
06:21 PM andypugh: Scary thing, I was trying to think up a way to find that scene, and then remembered that the robot was called ED209. I am pretty sure I have only seen the film once.
06:21 PM pink_vampire: work on my next pyvcp screen
06:21 PM XXCoder: andy honestly nobody knows how their memory works
06:22 PM andypugh: I wish it would remember stuff that I know I wil need to know in the future.
06:22 PM XXCoder: me too, man, me too.
06:22 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: andypugh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrwHcz2WcpU
06:22 PM andypugh: People’s names would be a good thing. Or a shorter route to the LinuxCNC prameter numbers page
06:22 PM jthornton: that would be a trick for sure
06:22 PM pink_vampire: jthornton:
06:22 PM jthornton: yo
06:22 PM XXCoder: vertical and bit shaky nit hard for me to follow but will attempt to.
06:23 PM Wolf__: XXCoder: thats kinda neat, my split system heat pump has thermal tracking built in to them
06:23 PM pink_vampire: look at the youtube i post
06:23 PM andypugh: watching
06:23 PM XXCoder: nice finally see your probe in action
06:23 PM jthornton: from this morning?
06:24 PM XXCoder: just read news... at seaside park someone stole the dog poo trash bin
06:24 PM pink_vampire: i think so
06:24 PM XXCoder: that is strange thing to steal
06:24 PM pink_vampire: XXCoder: novelty item
06:24 PM XXCoder: maybe
06:24 PM andypugh: That seems an astishingly accurately sized piece of foam!
06:25 PM XXCoder: theres germany town of fucking, they had signs stolen by american tourists few times before they placed sign in secure place in metal box plastic glass on front.
06:25 PM andypugh: (It took me two listens to figure out you are saying “pie vee sea pee” as I always say “Pee Why Vee Cee Pee”)
06:25 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: heh yeah!
06:26 PM XXCoder: people steal weird stuff. here in washington state people kept stealing mile 69 post then they finally had it and put in 68.9 mile post. its unique
06:26 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Probably not Americans, I blame UK-ers
06:26 PM XXCoder: maybe
06:27 PM andypugh: They might have a simialr problem in the Orkneys: https://goo.gl/images/V6KvJ6
06:28 PM XXCoder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria
06:28 PM andypugh: Yes, I have been there. Just because.
06:28 PM XXCoder: i want to lol
06:29 PM XXCoder: "[e]veryone here knows what it means in English, but for us Fucking is Fucking—and it's going to stay Fucking."
06:30 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: Did you buy or make the probe?
06:31 PM pink_vampire: made it years ago
06:31 PM pink_vampire: it even beep
06:31 PM andypugh: (I have an idea for a home-made probe design that I think can be made on a drill press)
06:31 PM pink_vampire: i will be happy to try it
06:32 PM andypugh: The idea is to “borrow” precision from: https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Collet-Fixtures/ER32-Collet-Blocks
06:33 PM pink_vampire: i don't get why you need it?
06:33 PM XXCoder: andypugh: saw one design in here that just uses precision rods
06:34 PM XXCoder: nothing else
06:34 PM andypugh: Yes, that was pretty much my idea
06:34 PM XXCoder: (well besides body itself and small amount of circuits)
06:34 PM andypugh: When you say “in here” do you mean this IRC?
06:34 PM XXCoder: yeah it wasnt recent, it was quite a while agi
06:34 PM pink_vampire: if you are talking about the kinematic one with the 6 balls, you dont have to make them 120 deg
06:35 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/dSL6oKjGCog7fC6B7
06:35 PM XXCoder: it was you!
06:35 PM andypugh: Yes, I just haven’t got round to making one yet
06:36 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: No. In fact they don’t even have to be very accurate as long as there is a way to adjust and centre the stylus
06:36 PM Wolf__: I have posted pics of renishaw guts before
06:36 PM andypugh: (and for a CMM machine they don’t even need to be centred)
06:36 PM XXCoder: how would you do those angled holes anyway
06:36 PM andypugh: Wolf__: I have taken my Renishaw apart, and have two different designs by Zeiss
06:37 PM XXCoder: would be easy with 5 axis
06:37 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Angle a vice under a pillar drill. Then rotate the collet block in the vice.
06:37 PM XXCoder: interesting
06:37 PM pink_vampire: seams very interesting design - but the tip MUST be smaller then the ball
06:37 PM XXCoder: all you need is nut type (6 sides) and skil each other side
06:37 PM pink_vampire: i have sine plate
06:38 PM XXCoder: skip
06:38 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/pMAGtBE.jpg larger MP3 head
06:38 PM pink_vampire: ok i'm , jealous.
06:39 PM XXCoder: andypugh: i was thinking on how to make super flat variant
06:39 PM Wolf__: mp1 is dead simple to align as well https://i.imgur.com/YkpeHoc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xo5niek.jpg
06:39 PM XXCoder: the entire probe body'd need to be only half inch not counting rod for spindle t grip it, and probe
06:39 PM andypugh: Wolf__: If you press the tool-release with your MP3 probe in place then one of those three prongs can snap off, as well as destryoying the stylus. DAMHIK
06:40 PM Wolf__: though whoever had the thing was clueless, the ball was missing that goes between the body and the mount shank
06:40 PM andypugh: Wolf__: Same here
06:40 PM andypugh: Though mine was a “Renshaw” which makes them much cheaper on eBay
06:41 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/AJYdB6A.png
06:41 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: That yours?
06:41 PM XXCoder: lol i remember that. been a while
06:41 PM pink_vampire: yeah
06:42 PM Wolf__: I caught mine for $90 us, for some odd reason it had like 14 people watching in on ebay, yet I got it w/ the make offer button, then got the mi5 interface box 2 days later from the same seller lol
06:42 PM pink_vampire: and it is still on my necklace
06:42 PM andypugh: Mine was £50.
06:42 PM andypugh: But I don’t use it any more after finding 10 (!) Zeiss probes in the skip at work
06:43 PM andypugh: (Which are a lot smallr)
06:43 PM Wolf__: hah nice
06:44 PM andypugh: Zeiss probe and the adjustable holder I made to mount it in my spindle: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Pz88ovBcRJuocfy9
06:46 PM Wolf__: oo that is nice
06:47 PM XXCoder: andypugh: skip = trash?
06:47 PM Wolf__: Mp1s was $100, mi5 box was $60, my memory failed lol
06:48 PM andypugh: XXCoder: Yes
06:48 PM Wolf__: XXCoder: correct, skip=dumpster
06:48 PM XXCoder: people threw expensive probes away?
06:48 PM Wolf__: common fate for EOL stuff in commercial business
06:49 PM andypugh: I have a Renishaw TP200 module that I paid £15 for, but I don’t know if it works. They appear to have a cunning interface...
06:51 PM andypugh: I suspect that the CMM went some time ago and somebody found the probes in a cupboard.
06:51 PM andypugh: (I was at risk of dismissal for taking them home, they spent several months in my desk drawer while I pondered on the risk)
06:52 PM andypugh: Somebody was fired in the past for taking car parts out of the skips and selling them on eBay..
06:53 PM andypugh: And that isn’t just a tale. It was about 4 years ago, and I knew the guy.
06:53 PM XXCoder: virtually only thing i took out of shop was nylon pucks and more recently bunch of ethernet cables thrown in trash
06:53 PM XXCoder: it was cuttings too small for shop to use, but just fine for home!
06:59 PM andypugh: The linearity of these potentiometers is astonishing
07:01 PM andypugh: Positioning with a 65k count encoder and measuring voltage with a 32 bit DAC I have an R-squared of 0.9999920
07:06 PM jdh: I dug about 15 beautiful right angle 10:1 gearboxes out of the trash at work. All new in plastic.
07:06 PM jdh: eventually through 10 of them out again. Still have 5 in a cabinet in a lab.
07:07 PM jdh: threw
07:07 PM XXCoder: interesting
07:08 PM XXCoder: sometimes i wonder on trash stuff
07:08 PM XXCoder: andypugh: you will lol on this https://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Haas-OM-2A-Office-Mill-Great-condition/223447238005?hash=item34067e4575:g:ujEAAOSw7ttciZJ-&frcectupt=true
07:09 PM XXCoder: its one of two i have been running while it was still running parts
07:09 PM andypugh: I saw it yeaterday. It’s very cue.
07:09 PM XXCoder: oh lol oj
07:09 PM andypugh: (cute)
07:09 PM XXCoder: i still find it funny that i can see my tool cart refected off it
07:09 PM andypugh: Is the price reasonable?
07:09 PM andypugh: Or is that the source of humour?
07:10 PM XXCoder: well new is $60,000 and spindle and toolchanger servo have been fixed
07:10 PM XXCoder: so pretty reasonable I would think. just dont have delusion of it being production.
07:10 PM andypugh: Incidentally, arceurotrade have some significant discounts at the moment, including on the tiny CNC mill.
07:11 PM XXCoder: if you decide to get it, never ever use air pressure to blow chips around under table area. it might push chips upwards inside back castiron column and mess with z sensor.
07:11 PM XXCoder: which means spindle stops too early on way up and tool corsel crashes into it.
07:11 PM XXCoder: direct experence
07:12 PM andypugh: I don’t see me buying a 29k mill on the wrong side of the Atlantic
07:12 PM jdh: XXCoder: you only have 5s? We have 7!
07:12 PM XXCoder: indeed just explaining why it might be reasonable for local guy
07:12 PM XXCoder: 5s?
07:13 PM jdh: The note on that Haas
07:13 PM jdh: or was that not yours?
07:13 PM XXCoder: anyway on right in first image you could barely see one of robodrills lol i love those machines.
07:13 PM XXCoder: i ran it a lot when it was live but its shops not mine
07:13 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: I reckon with that necklace most people will say “Eh? That’s strange” but the right sort of people will say “Ooh! Cool!”
07:13 PM XXCoder: i may be literally last person to run it, i closed out the job when it was done. no job since
07:18 PM _unreal_: GOD what a long drive
07:19 PM XXCoder: welcome back
07:20 PM andypugh: They seem to be investing heavily in Grob HMCs at work at the moment. I had never heard of them until large expensive crates started to appear.
07:21 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: that project you talked about needing a fiberglass shell, curious why fiberglass is a requirement heh
07:49 PM _unreal_: ?
07:50 PM _unreal_: What is your understanding of what I was talking about because I think I'm confused on what your talking about :)
07:50 PM XXCoder: you linked to that project lets see if i can find it
07:50 PM _unreal_: I built a mold to make a SHELL, fiberglass is easy to work with and I'm a masterglass man.
07:50 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, thats just photos of my shell for the computer to control the cnc machine
07:51 PM Wolf__: boat guy ^
07:51 PM _unreal_: if any one is interested in one of those shell's I'll gladly build/sell one....
07:51 PM XXCoder: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
07:52 PM XXCoder: is it cnc controller or what
07:52 PM _unreal_: very customize able as well
07:52 PM _unreal_: the shell just houses the computer for the CNC machine and the touch display
07:52 PM _unreal_: in a nice small package
07:52 PM XXCoder: nice
07:52 PM _unreal_: light very strong
07:52 PM _unreal_: industrial
07:53 PM Wolf__: should have laid up CF
07:53 PM Wolf__: =)
07:53 PM _unreal_: so as I said if anyone is interested in one I will build/sell them. but I'm also offering a free one to anyone IN USA.. that can fix my software problem before I do
07:53 PM _unreal_: I sell them now and then to RPI peole
07:54 PM _unreal_: they love them
07:54 PM _unreal_: err it
07:55 PM XXCoder: it does look cool but meh
07:55 PM XXCoder: ill just keep my linuxcnc pc lol
07:56 PM _unreal_: uploading a few new photos
07:56 PM _unreal_: granded this is my version of the shell
07:56 PM _unreal_: it can be cut and altered in any way someone desires
07:57 PM XXCoder: kinda wonder how easy it is to make fiberglass stuff
07:57 PM Wolf__: depends on end use
07:58 PM Wolf__: I totally forgot about that option to cover the electronic on my plasma thing
07:59 PM _unreal_: depends on your knowlage of working the material and resin type used
07:59 PM XXCoder: guess that makes sense
07:59 PM Wolf__: or if it doesnt matter how crappy it looks =)
08:00 PM _unreal_: if you dont know how the resin is going to act how much working time, if its going to run on you. if air entrapment will be an issue.....
08:00 PM _unreal_: on and pon
08:00 PM _unreal_: on
08:00 PM _unreal_: looks crappy typically = fail easily
08:01 PM Wolf__: yeah, but end use… need cover or needs to float/sea worthy is different things
08:02 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, one of the things I want to do when I finish building the cnc machine is add a 3d printer setup to it. so I can leave it covered most of the time or open it up clean everything and be able to 3d print a mold
08:02 PM _unreal_: that would likely save a lot of time if its highly detailed vers building by hand
08:03 PM _unreal_: heh my daughter just goes "daddy you type fast"
08:03 PM Wolf__: I’ve helped make ugly things, like fiberglass sub woofer boxes using polar tech type fleece and mdf as a base
08:03 PM _unreal_: hum
08:03 PM _unreal_: ever need insight on howto's for glass let me know
08:04 PM Wolf__: pull crappy fabric taunt on a frame w/ some stiffiners in place, then resin it, then lay up glass over that base
08:05 PM Wolf__: granted that we were replacing a back seat of a car w/ 15” subs…
08:07 PM Wolf__: probably not the right way to do things, but it worked for the most part
08:08 PM _unreal_: dirt cheap 9" or smaller roller frames are great for resin layup
08:08 PM _unreal_: are you using the walmart/home depot fiberglass resin?
08:08 PM Wolf__: I dont remember, at home I use west system stuff
08:08 PM _unreal_: much better choice
08:10 PM Jymmm: JT-Shop: cradek Well.... it looks like you can NOT have/use two propane regulators in series =(
08:10 PM _unreal_: o,O thats kind of a given
08:11 PM Wolf__: umm, if they are both expecting tank pressure, probably not
08:12 PM Jymmm: Wolf__: Well, there are no "real specs" on the consumer regulators, and the product "mafufactures" say "it should work".... NOT (bastards)
08:13 PM pink_vampire: is there a way to remove the deafaulr linux cnc gcode that get load each time
08:13 PM Jymmm: It could have just "passed thru" low pressure
08:13 PM pink_vampire: default*
08:14 PM Jymmm: pink_vampire: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/31568-loading-no-g-code-file-on-startup
08:15 PM pink_vampire: Jymmm: thanks!!
08:16 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, are you in usa or other country?
08:16 PM _unreal_: just wondering
08:16 PM Jymmm: pink_vampire: np
08:16 PM pink_vampire: in the us
08:17 PM _unreal_: cool :)
08:17 PM pink_vampire: are you also from here?
08:18 PM _unreal_: florida
08:18 PM _unreal_: south
08:18 PM Wolf__: _unreal_ is likely from another planet.. or florida…
08:18 PM _unreal_: latter
08:18 PM _unreal_: originally from maine
08:18 PM _unreal_: I dont miss the BURRRRR
08:19 PM pink_vampire: i see why you move to florida
08:19 PM Wolf__: lol slight change
08:19 PM pink_vampire: im in ny
08:19 PM Wolf__: less moose in florida
08:19 PM XXCoder: florida is on other planet
08:19 PM _unreal_: more gator
08:20 PM _unreal_: well there was a 6' gator last week in the back yard
08:20 PM _unreal_: I have photos :)
08:20 PM Wolf__: lol
08:21 PM pink_vampire: are you using g40?
08:22 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, just added a few new photos https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNjUL9VJW4BIh58ZOHM6jOWS10l43lfzL_nr7FMD-YXm_o6hG63BfTN2Rv6ch6C_Q?key=OVV0UTBXUmF0NXNSR2NKVzdoaFhxQzVTbDI5V3JB
08:22 PM XXCoder: heard gator is yjmmy eats
08:22 PM XXCoder: yummy
08:22 PM sync: that is not how they work Jymmm
08:22 PM _unreal_: btw the thing came out purple pink rather then blue as I had intended
08:22 PM XXCoder: bit of cool hippie pattern
08:23 PM _unreal_: we call it marble
08:23 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: pink!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:23 PM _unreal_: palm to face
08:23 PM _unreal_: heh
08:23 PM pink_vampire: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZylP0JmMz-cvsfGJXvriDGDNKqelTF1wqOQb7-XetkKeEt25VNKFF3DAnoJ1ddCwS51N4zlKr9FSTizBHNbD5MAYrqoc4_plY_0jQDr-55lYWrZbMYuW3qFvd436MRul7hxX412smiTxtTw3a5aQBSxu8YnUjXUJP0JqXB-Y-B4xP-HXUEzizaq-9MugDeg7yThoERy01gnBAkjDl6MPBC-h2ZDR9BgY8zv4_7LQ8g5z1xVNCXlXX_tEssh3nHb6TX-9cBpbbB3WhYjAKYmCc1dCuIYudjr2GbbKeTSOlEPTaE904BT1dJK5Hl_-aLiEb79Pyeea21f7qHOJKuwEQfcNnqtuR7IR7woo41I19iP9WC
08:23 PM pink_vampire: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
08:24 PM pink_vampire: this icon / logo is sooooooooooooooooooo cute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:24 PM _unreal_: 404
08:25 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/kTssWKn.png
08:26 PM _unreal_: Thats the tinker board logo
08:26 PM _unreal_: for tinker OS
08:26 PM _unreal_: I dont use it though because asus does not update it
08:26 PM _unreal_: very annoying
08:27 PM pink_vampire: mm ok, i need one
08:27 PM _unreal_: a tinker board?
08:27 PM pink_vampire: no, just the logo
08:27 PM _unreal_: oh
08:27 PM pink_vampire: i have 2 rpi boards here
08:27 PM _unreal_: that shell I have is designed for RPI :)
08:28 PM _unreal_: the shell will take upto a 10" RPI lcd I believe
08:28 PM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/YEPBl9W6PyE
08:29 PM pink_vampire: skunkworks: grate job!!!
08:30 PM _unreal_: gets worm? if its getting to hot the current may be too high
08:30 PM _unreal_: current setting on motor controller vers resistance in motor.
08:31 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: some motors can run abit hot
08:31 PM _unreal_: no argument but to hot to touch typically is over powered
08:32 PM _unreal_: I always current test a motor to ensure I'm getting the power I expect
08:38 PM pink_vampire: i can't open other file
08:38 PM _unreal_: pink say hello to my little friend... >:) https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AqJJk3gauW8we71o2Gq6llxlyLjZhNVs
08:38 PM pink_vampire: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
08:38 PM pink_vampire: cuteeeeeeeeeeeee
08:38 PM _unreal_: I'm feeding him loquats
08:39 PM _unreal_: loquat fruit comes out this time of year in florida
08:39 PM _unreal_: starts fruiting in late december
08:40 PM _unreal_: That guy is about 4' long nose to tip of his tail
08:40 PM pink_vampire: config is not configs
08:41 PM pink_vampire: i have fish
08:41 PM _unreal_: I have alagators :)
08:42 PM pink_vampire: not sure if it's a good idea
08:42 PM _unreal_: I have a canal in the back yard runs for 2 miles.... and all of the canals are inter connected with tubes so fish etc..... are free to travel
08:45 PM pink_vampire: mmm i might need a little vacation soon
08:46 PM skunkworks: pink_vampire: thanks!
08:46 PM andypugh: _unreal_: Too hot to touch is about 60C ( https://news.jm.com/blog/too-hot-handle ) and most motors are good to at least 100C surface temp: https://www.plantengineering.com/articles/when-it-comes-to-motors-how-hot-is-hot/
08:47 PM _unreal_: andypugh, also depends on the magnet types used
08:47 PM _unreal_: to much power and it degrades the megnets
08:47 PM gregcnc: no spec sheet for the motor?
08:47 PM _unreal_: which also causes heat
08:48 PM skunkworks: not burn hot... but i want to mmaybe push the limit a bit.. maybe 1kw
08:48 PM skunkworks: it is rated 750w
08:48 PM andypugh: True. Though Nd ae good to 150C, Samarium to 300C
08:48 PM _unreal_: ! I forget waht those motoors I ordered are rated for W wise?
08:49 PM gregcnc: Some Nd will go that high
08:49 PM _unreal_: andypugh, heat and over power are different animals.... heat is bad for magnets but over current is even worse
08:49 PM skunkworks: being brushless and the coils being statonary.. cooling goes a long way
08:50 PM gregcnc: yes, you'll likely be fine
08:50 PM _unreal_: skunkworks, !!!! that I can agree with
08:50 PM Jymmm: sync: I found this out =)
08:50 PM Jymmm: sadly
08:50 PM andypugh: Just saying that “too hot to touch” is no indication that the motor is anywhere near max design temp.
08:50 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1L5TGCqnUR8I2aKC6VXmtnc4tQMoIClyM https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZiHl5lYy8hkTQ5r8hc657Kgnl8EhxpFt
08:51 PM pink_vampire: good!
08:51 PM andypugh: I went to Florida once. It rained every day
08:51 PM andypugh: At exactly 2pm.
08:51 PM _unreal_: and if you look at most motor data spec sheats to hot to touch and your power curve turns DOWN
08:51 PM pink_vampire: do you have 2 screws and a coconut?
08:51 PM _unreal_: andypugh, you want in the summer time
08:52 PM skunkworks: being i can get wattage out of the stmbl - it might be interesting to play with adaptive feed
08:52 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, yes?
08:52 PM gregcnc: power rating are all related to temperature, that is how much heat you can shed
08:52 PM pink_vampire: have fun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6-kqVyOqM
08:53 PM pink_vampire: the best part 4:32
08:56 PM andypugh: He is a rather foul-mouthed presenter isn’t he?
08:57 PM gregcnc: watching stateside the accent makes it funny as hell. I missed this one.
08:58 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, That guy has never been laid
08:58 PM _unreal_: nothing like a veryack I forget the spelling and a bed side by side....
08:59 PM andypugh: Variac
08:59 PM _unreal_: variac
08:59 PM _unreal_: :)
08:59 PM _unreal_: I've had a few coronas also :)
09:00 PM _unreal_: but as that guy said fuckin ellll
09:00 PM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyRpMN9uQEw i need one
09:03 PM andypugh: Poor flies :-(
09:07 PM sync: _unreal_: it is virtually impossible to demag a rare earth magnet in a servo
09:08 PM _unreal_: andypugh, I agree he killed those paper flies dead
09:09 PM andypugh: Paper flies have feelings too!
09:09 PM pink_vampire: do you think it is a good idea to add Z option in the hole center finder, or just leave it X and Y?
09:10 PM _unreal_: sync, quick google search and bing.com search and I get the samething over and over "The motor can be damaged by overheating, if operated above the rated voltage for a long time."
09:10 PM andypugh: I have never needed a Z. It is actually nice to jog to the point where the hole looks most suitable.
09:10 PM pink_vampire: _unreal_: it is normal
09:11 PM _unreal_: !! 10pm brb got to get the munchkin into bed
09:11 PM _unreal_: god what a long drive picking her up from her mom
09:12 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: do you set length for the x and y probing or just use a file with the maximum length?
09:12 PM _unreal_: Oh I got blamed by her mother today for NOT telling her that school vaca starts this weekend... I'm like WTF dumb ass you had no issues pulling up the school website to get the calander to the date for christmas vaca but cant be botherd to look for other vacas and your blaming me for "not" telling you
09:15 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: The code I use (from the “Macro” button in Touchy) takes a max radius as an input.
09:16 PM sync: that is different from overcurrent demag _unreal_
09:16 PM andypugh: It’s not my code, as it happens.
09:16 PM sync: you can cook them, sure
09:16 PM _unreal_: nothing like a nice slice of BBQ motor :)
09:17 PM _unreal_: OMG my daughter lost her tooth brush BRB
09:17 PM _unreal_: 10yo
09:17 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: It’s this sample G-code from the LinuxCNC sample G codes folder of sample G-codes. https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/nc_files/probe-hole.ngc
09:22 PM pink_vampire: i'm testing his code
09:22 PM pink_vampire: i think my code is smarter
09:23 PM pink_vampire: yeah, he is using g90 and g91
09:24 PM pink_vampire: this is very nice way to destroy the machine if you stop the code in the middle
09:25 PM pink_vampire: my code use only absolute values
09:26 PM andypugh: Probably wise, though I have never had any problems.
09:27 PM pink_vampire: also you can select longer X travel, to fined center on rectangular parts that are longer then the Y axis
09:37 PM pink_vampire: is there a way to make the pyvcp meter ticks go all around?
10:16 PM Elmo40: hi. anyone use a geckodrive for their servos?
10:16 PM Elmo40: https://www.geckodrive.com/g320x-digital-servo-drive.html
10:16 PM pink_vampire: yes
10:17 PM pink_vampire: Elmo40: ^
10:17 PM Elmo40: i was thinking of using them on my bridgeport conversion.
10:17 PM Elmo40: yeah? how are they?
10:17 PM Elmo40: what more do i need to talk to linuxcnc?
10:17 PM pink_vampire: they not talk to anything
10:18 PM pink_vampire: they only get step and direction
10:18 PM Elmo40: they don't give encoder feedback? or do i wire that directly to the computer?
10:18 PM pink_vampire: no
10:18 PM Elmo40: so... how does linuxcnc know its position after a move?
10:19 PM pink_vampire: it don't
10:19 PM skunkworks: it assumes the servo did what it was supposed to...
10:19 PM pink_vampire: but the g320x can fix up to 2048 lines so..
10:20 PM Elmo40: lovely. more guessing.
10:20 PM XXCoder: can always use more advanced system using encoders etc
10:20 PM XXCoder: but more money of course
10:20 PM Elmo40: and any errors you tell the gecko what to do about it? (stop, play catch-up...) ?
10:20 PM pink_vampire: you don't do any of that
10:21 PM pink_vampire: it is just work as stepper but servo
10:21 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/U0XQFag.png
10:21 PM pink_vampire: this is my panel
10:21 PM Elmo40: but there are tabs to connect encoders
10:21 PM pink_vampire: on the g320x?
10:21 PM pink_vampire: or in linux?
10:22 PM Elmo40: the drive
10:22 PM Elmo40: isn't there?
10:22 PM pink_vampire: yes, you connect the ab signal from the encoder
10:22 PM Elmo40: and what does that tell gecko?
10:23 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/c2hldjS.png
10:23 PM Elmo40: large heat sink!
10:23 PM Elmo40: and such ugly wiring... :-P
10:23 PM Rab: "An internally closed PID loop ensures your motor will maintain position and correct for lost steps while under load." The drive actuates the motor and reads the encoder to acquire the position commanded by the step/dir inputs.
10:23 PM Elmo40: all labeled and stuff. who has the time?
10:23 PM pink_vampire: they very cold
10:24 PM pink_vampire: Elmo40: all the hardware in the panel is ABB stuff
10:25 PM Elmo40: ok. so linuxcnc only assumes things were completed. if the servo stalls the encoder tells the gecko it can't complete the task and then what? will gecko tell linuxcnc that something happened?
10:25 PM Rab: The Gecko tries harder.
10:25 PM Elmo40: i supposed there are settings for that. try. try harder. try like hell... then give up.
10:26 PM Rab: Looks like there is an error output.
10:26 PM Elmo40: my question is this. how will linuxCNC know what happened?
10:26 PM Elmo40: if junior smashes the vice, it isn't going anywhere. i'd like linux to know this and stop everything (then sound the alarms) ;-)
10:27 PM pink_vampire: no
10:27 PM _unreal_: there just finished putting stand offs on my 24v psu for my small cnc machine or as pink_vampire put it the cute one
10:27 PM Rab: Looks like if something really bad happens, the drive enters fault condition and stops the motor.
10:27 PM pink_vampire: even very expensive machine just cut in to the vice
10:27 PM Elmo40: 'really bad' ?
10:27 PM Tom_itx: i went from cleaning the end on the lathe: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/Mill_holder6.jpg
10:27 PM Tom_itx: to this: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/Mill_holder7.jpg
10:28 PM Elmo40: things do stall out and the machine will halt.
10:28 PM Tom_itx: one program, no deburring
10:28 PM Tom_itx: one of the cross holes is threaded too
10:28 PM Elmo40: Tom_itx, nice
10:28 PM Elmo40: i'll take 50... what thread are they?
10:29 PM Tom_itx: 3/4 16
10:29 PM Tom_itx: fit a sherline spindle
10:29 PM Rab: "The voltage on this [the ERROR/RESET] terminal is +5VDC when the G320X is functioning normally. The voltage on this terminal goes to 0VDC whenever the FAULT indicator is lit. This output can be used to signal your controller that an error has occurred."
10:29 PM pink_vampire: Elmo40: you can set the current on the g320x, to try 20A for 1 sec, and it is also can give you error signal if you want - pin 5
10:29 PM skunkworks: Elmo40: if the gecko drive has a error output... that could be hooked into linuxcnc
10:29 PM Elmo40: nice.
10:29 PM Elmo40: now... to which pin?
10:29 PM Elmo40: LoL
10:29 PM Elmo40: i'll figure that one out.
10:30 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/c2hldjS.png
10:32 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
10:32 PM Elmo40: it takes the same step/dir info as if it were a stepper driver?
10:32 PM pink_vampire: look here on the terminal block
10:32 PM Rab: I'm not sure what conditions cause the drive to fault, but maybe carefully reading the drive manual will shed some light.
10:32 PM pink_vampire: correct
10:32 PM Elmo40: pink_vampire, i meant on to linuxCNC. which pin do i connect the fault to.
10:32 PM Elmo40: Rab, yes yes... rtfm :-)
10:32 PM Elmo40: i do appreciate the quick help.
10:32 PM pink_vampire: Rab: missing lines on the encoder more then what you setup with the dip switch make it go in to the fault mode
10:32 PM pink_vampire: Elmo40: thanks
10:32 PM Rab: Elmo40, how are you interfacing with LinuxCNC?
10:32 PM Elmo40: is that caulse falut tolerance?
10:34 PM Elmo40: ah yes. limits.
10:34 PM Elmo40: spindle rpm
10:34 PM pink_vampire: i don't use them
10:34 PM Elmo40: maybe coolant on/off
10:34 PM pink_vampire: also don't use that
10:34 PM pink_vampire: also don't use that
10:34 PM Elmo40: vice load/unload ;-)
10:35 PM Elmo40: coffee maker signal?
10:35 PM pink_vampire: i have 2 spindles on my machine
10:35 PM pink_vampire: the HF spindle have a controller
10:35 PM Elmo40: i've looked into a 90's Mazak. scared the shit out of me!! i don't expect this v-mill to be that horrific.
10:36 PM pink_vampire: and the low speed can work as DC or servo
10:37 PM Elmo40: so... about this 'interface'. What are my options?
10:37 PM Elmo40: is it as simple as connecting to the parport wires?
10:37 PM Elmo40: or do i need something inbetween?
10:37 PM pink_vampire: just get a c10
10:37 PM pink_vampire: or mesa board
10:37 PM pink_vampire: i have 2 c10 boards
10:38 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/JAotJPH.png
10:38 PM pink_vampire: you can see the c10 boards on the left - next to the main switch
10:39 PM Elmo40: what are they, an anything I/O?
10:40 PM pink_vampire: convert the lpt output to something that is easy to work with
10:40 PM Elmo40: gotcha
10:40 PM Elmo40: turning more and more into that old 90's Mazak... I can see it now! Control box the size of a Honda >_<
10:41 PM pink_vampire: this is just me
10:42 PM Rab: Elmo40, the absolute cheapest and least performant option is something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/163346530498
10:42 PM Elmo40: i want it to be reliable and serviceable
10:42 PM Elmo40: being 'stepper' doesn't matter?
10:42 PM Rab: The USB port is only for power.
10:42 PM pink_vampire: i like to make stuff in a way that i can upgrade stuff or maybe to put the computer inside
10:43 PM _unreal_: There my PSU is now mounted to the back of the control case
10:43 PM pink_vampire: Rab: this is a very bad board
10:43 PM _unreal_: and I'm talking about a different box then the pink one
10:43 PM Elmo40: Rab, I don't know... $8 is going to break the bank.
10:44 PM pink_vampire: i start with it, and i switch to the c10 after few days
10:44 PM Elmo40: who makes the C10?
10:45 PM Elmo40: https://www.ebay.com/itm/C10-BI-DIRECTIONAL-PARALLEL-PORT-CNC-BREAKOUT-BOARD/153332261863?epid=17006306807&hash=item23b350a3e7:g:IvgAAOSwGq5cM~BK
10:45 PM Elmo40: this?
10:46 PM pink_vampire: correct
10:46 PM pink_vampire: i have the old version with the large components
10:46 PM Elmo40: so... that connects the linuxCNC box to the gecko drive?
10:47 PM pink_vampire: computer > lpt cable > c10 > step / dir / com signals > G320Xs
10:48 PM Elmo40: excellent.
10:48 PM Elmo40: honda control box, here I come!
10:49 PM pink_vampire: this is the bare minimum you need
10:50 PM Elmo40: what do you think of this setup?
10:50 PM Elmo40: https://www.ebay.com/itm/C35S-QUICK-SETUP-BREAKOUT-BOARD/152726951112?_trkparms=aid%3D333200%26algo%3DCOMP.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190129125700%26meid%3D92edde2aa8e54a74b1e01abcb2cb9808%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D153332261863%26itm%3D152726951112&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982
10:50 PM Elmo40: ugh... sorry
10:50 PM Elmo40: https://www.ebay.com/itm/C35S-QUICK-SETUP-BREAKOUT-BOARD/152726951112
10:50 PM Elmo40: C35 board.
10:51 PM pink_vampire: no idea
10:51 PM pink_vampire: maybe grate, maybe junk
10:52 PM Elmo40: who designates these numbers? Is there a brand with a website of info?
10:52 PM pink_vampire: it is just the model of the board
10:53 PM Rab: pink_vampire, does that C10 board have any isolation at all? Or just level shifting/buffering?
10:53 PM Elmo40: ok
10:53 PM pink_vampire: i got the c10 because it was the "gold standard" few years ago
10:53 PM Rab: pink_vampire, I agree that the $8 board is pretty crappy.
10:53 PM pink_vampire: Rab: no, it is just work
10:55 PM renesis: im not sure how to read that
10:56 PM pink_vampire: read what?
10:56 PM renesis: does it just work as it is functional, or it is for work so fuckit
10:56 PM Elmo40: is the parport the only way to reduce latency?
10:56 PM renesis: can i still say fuckit here?
10:56 PM Elmo40: sure
10:56 PM Elmo40: just did!
10:57 PM Elmo40: /me kicks renesis
10:57 PM Elmo40: ;-)
10:57 PM Elmo40: damn spacebar! LoL
10:57 PM renesis: :O
10:58 PM pink_vampire: renesis: it is just very good board, (without opto
10:58 PM renesis: why cant you just go from lpt cable to drive inputs?
10:59 PM pink_vampire: i have no idea,
10:59 PM Rab: Elmo40, a big step up from the parport method is to use a Mesa FPGA interface card that can read the encoders and close the servo loop in the FPGA. I don't have such a setup, so can't really advise. http://www.mesanet.com/
10:59 PM renesis: i guess would take some 1337 DMM skillz
10:59 PM pink_vampire: i tried that once yearsss ago
10:59 PM Rab: bedtime
11:00 PM Elmo40: pink_vampire, was it completed? did it work out?
11:01 PM pink_vampire: no, you can't go from the lpt to the drive, the signals are not very reliable, this is why you need the BOB
11:02 PM Elmo40: also for isolation?
11:02 PM Elmo40: or use something else for that?
11:03 PM pink_vampire: i'm thinking about upgrade my setup to a mesa card, i'm maxed out the steps on my lpts
11:03 PM pink_vampire: Elmo40: nut much, the c10 it not opto isolated
11:11 PM _unreal_: pink_vampire, Thats part of the reason why I want to get the tinker board up and running
11:12 PM _unreal_: faster GPIO
11:12 PM _unreal_: and a lot more I/O's then par port
11:12 PM pink_vampire: i told you the logo is cute
11:40 PM pink_vampire: how do i send variable from a gcode to pyvcp??
11:41 PM pink_vampire: i mean like the #1010 in the mdi