#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 16 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:00 AM Lcvette: Those are thrust only bearings
12:04 AM pink_vampire: i wish i had a way to add support on the other side
12:04 AM Wolf__: yeah, thats my X1 lead screw blocks, you can see that I also added a needle bearing in the center
12:04 AM pink_vampire: same for the Z axis, and also get better rails
12:04 AM Lcvette: It would help
12:04 AM pink_vampire: Lcvette: help with?
12:04 AM Lcvette: Wolf__: that's a good addition to give it raises support!
12:04 AM pink_vampire: what it improve?
12:04 AM Lcvette: Radial*
12:04 AM Wolf__: Lcvette: like 500% over stock lol, before it was just hand wheels on the cast lol
12:04 AM Lcvette: Two tapered roller bearings will not need a support on the other end for y
12:04 AM Lcvette: The bearings and ballnut mount will form two rigid point
12:04 AM Wolf__: only reason I see for end support is on longer axis to help control end whip
12:04 AM pink_vampire: how do you preload it?
12:04 AM Lcvette: To hold the screw aligned
12:04 AM Tom_L: Lcvette what size threadmill was that and what was the S & F on it?
12:04 AM Lcvette: On the bearing block and ballscrew
12:04 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/aMp95Ok.png
12:04 AM pink_vampire: so those 2?
12:05 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1 https://i.imgur.com/SUkjjeu.png?1 same idea as this but taper bearings on each side
12:05 AM Lcvette: You are going to have to make a new bearing block
12:06 AM pink_vampire: not even sure what dose it mean
12:06 AM Wolf__: or same as how spindles are done
12:06 AM Lcvette: Research
12:06 AM pink_vampire: i have a lathe also
12:07 AM pink_vampire: i see what you mean
12:07 AM * Lcvette posted a file: 30822301-MIT.pdf (5243KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/MgzZGldBekBUOEGuiXxjnxux >
12:08 AM Lcvette: Read that
12:10 AM Lcvette: Tom_L: online carbide 1/4" single point, specs are listed on their site
12:10 AM pink_vampire: the bearing block is just the a bearing housing?
12:10 AM Tom_L: for feeds and speeds?
12:10 AM Lcvette: Don't know them off the top of my head
12:10 AM pink_vampire: just a block that bore from each side?
12:11 AM Wolf__: pink_vampire: yeah, with a step in the center so you can preload them
12:11 AM Lcvette: 4 FL, I run mine at 5k rpm in aluminum with .002ipt feed
12:11 AM Tom_L: ok
12:11 AM pink_vampire: Wolf__: what do you mean step?
12:11 AM Tom_L: my spindle goes to ~4k
12:12 AM Lcvette: Sorry, .001ipt
12:12 AM Tom_L: yeah i was shooting for around that, not sure what it ended up
12:12 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1 <~ bearing block, and how the bearing and shaft goes in to it -> https://i.imgur.com/SUkjjeu.png?1
12:12 AM Tom_L: once i use them some i'll get a better feel for what they can do
12:13 AM pink_vampire: but where is the step?
12:13 AM Wolf__: just a example tho, thats what I did on the x1
12:13 AM Wolf__: umm. that part that isnt through bored
12:14 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/BgfqPsX.png?1 this is very similar to the part that i have on the machine right now
12:14 AM Wolf__: yeah, just need to make a new one for the roller bearings
12:15 AM Lcvette: Run them as fast as you want in aluminum
12:15 AM Lcvette: Single point aren't cutting hardly anything at all
12:16 AM pink_vampire: for now' i wish linux cnc had a way to compensate for backlash
12:16 AM Lcvette: I've accidentally run mine at rapid speed and it worked lol
12:16 AM Tom_L: was that video aluminum?
12:17 AM Lcvette: pink_vampire: both bearings need a concentric bore to fit in
12:17 AM pink_vampire: Lcvette: with the HF i run almost only in rapid
12:17 AM Lcvette: That's what gives them the ability to hold the screw rigidly inline with the table\saddle movement
12:17 AM Lcvette: No that was iron
12:17 AM pink_vampire: and you press fit them in?
12:18 AM Lcvette: Tom_L: iron tom
12:18 AM Lcvette: :O
12:18 AM Tom_L: gocha
12:19 AM Lcvette: pink_vampire: a good tight fit is all that's necessary, not a press fit
12:19 AM pink_vampire: so 2 Timken 2047/2126?
12:21 AM Lcvette: You better model everything up
12:21 AM Lcvette: You will need new screws most likely
12:21 AM pink_vampire: why new screw?
12:22 AM Lcvette: Won't know until you model it up will you
12:23 AM Lcvette: Bearing thickness, new block design, existing screw end machining
12:23 AM pink_vampire: i'm trying to think what will be the best next upgrade
12:23 AM Wolf__: thats why my drawing has the screw shaft on it as well, everything changed when I did the new block lol
12:24 AM Lcvette: To me the best upgrade is double nut screws with better support bearings
12:24 AM Lcvette: That will all but eliminate your backlash to around 0.0005"
12:25 AM pink_vampire: what about new rails?
12:25 AM Lcvette: For that I would even bother with comp
12:25 AM Lcvette: Wouldn't
12:25 AM Lcvette: What rails?
12:25 AM Lcvette: Linear tail upgrade?
12:26 AM Lcvette: Rail
12:26 AM pink_vampire: correct
12:26 AM Lcvette: Do you have the resources to do that correctly?
12:26 AM pink_vampire: what do you man?
12:27 AM Lcvette: Not a job you just use hand tools for
12:28 AM pink_vampire: maybe i can get access to a bigger mill
12:31 AM Lcvette: That is a big undertaking
12:32 AM pink_vampire: i wish i had a way to get it on a big surface grinder and cnc drill all the holes
12:36 AM Lcvette: That's the bootstrap phenomenon
12:37 AM Wolf__: this is how you end up owning 3 mills, 2 lathes and a surface grinder
12:37 AM Lcvette: <freenode_Wol "this is how you end up owning 3 "> Wolf__: exactly
12:38 AM pink_vampire: I'm trying to measure the backlash on the y axis
12:48 AM pink_vampire: i have 0.09mm backlash on the Y axis
02:50 AM gloops: cheap stepper kit https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3Axis-Nema23-stepper-motor-CNC-KIT/273760660817?
02:54 AM pink_vampire: gloops: i have stuff like that here
02:54 AM gloops: thats worth about...£130-140
02:58 AM gloops: it is in the UK yes pink_vampire, might be useful if anyone is building a stepper machine, if there is anyone else from the UK in here, i dunno
02:58 AM pink_vampire: those are the stuff i want to use for the bipod
02:58 AM gloops: my router is made with similar stuff, it works ok
02:58 AM gloops: i wouldnt use nema 23s again though
03:58 AM Deejay: moin
03:58 AM nos: o/
03:59 AM XXCoder: hey new old stock
03:59 AM nos: :3
03:59 AM pink_vampire: hi
04:56 AM jthornton: morning
05:02 AM XXCoder: good morning
05:03 AM pink_vampire: hi
05:05 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHM_ztAUqVc
05:08 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: I'm starting to working on the pyvcp stuff that you help me with
05:08 AM jthornton: cool
05:08 AM XXCoder: :)
05:12 AM Tom_L: morning
05:13 AM jthornton: morning
05:13 AM XXCoder: morning
05:14 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1oqjuYXmyE
05:14 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/Mill_holder4.jpg
05:14 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHM_ztAUqVc
05:17 AM jthornton: multiple passes?
05:17 AM Tom_L: 3
05:17 AM jthornton: did you make the jaws just to fit that part?
05:17 AM Tom_L: yes
05:18 AM jthornton: cool, what does that part do?
05:18 AM Tom_L: then i'll flip it on it's side and clamp it near the end to do the cross holes
05:18 AM Tom_L: it's a em holder for the sherline spindle
05:18 AM XXCoder: is it one off?
05:18 AM Tom_L: i may use them for drills since the chuck is alot longer
05:19 AM jthornton: it threads on the spindle?
05:19 AM Tom_L: yeah
05:19 AM XXCoder: nice
05:19 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/thread_mills/Mill_holder3.jpg
05:20 AM Tom_L: i might flip it over to do the chamfer on the bottom side
05:20 AM Tom_L: in the same fixture
05:21 AM jthornton: https://www.sherline.com/product/3079-end-mill-holders/
05:21 AM Tom_L: right
05:21 AM jthornton: Please note that when using the 1/2″ x 1.2″ end mill holder (6083) or the 1/2″ x 2″ end mill holder (6086), be aware of the length of the shaft of your cutter. The hole through the spindle is .405″ so a long end mill would not be able to go through the spindle.
05:21 AM jthornton: interesting
05:22 AM Tom_L: :)
05:22 AM Tom_L: i had to cut the shank off on the thread mill
05:22 AM Tom_L: it's 5/8 shank
05:22 AM jthornton: ah that makes sense, I have to cut off a lot of tooling for the CHNC lathe turret
05:23 AM Tom_L: the diamond blade on the tile cutter didn't do the trick
05:23 AM jthornton: nice weather for the next few days 30's to 50's and sunny here
05:23 AM Tom_L: it cut regular tungsten fine
05:23 AM Tom_L: yeah, headin out this morning for the day
05:25 AM Tom_L: and i had to modify one of their holders to fit it
05:26 AM Tom_L: i can preset drills with these where i was limited to one with the chuck
05:26 AM jthornton: cool
05:26 AM Tom_L: hopefully they won't push up in the holder
05:27 AM weenerdog: howdy
05:27 AM jthornton: my tool holders for the mill have a screw inside you can use to stop the tool from moving
05:27 AM Tom_L: that's quite an operation goin on at that mill
05:27 AM jthornton: yea pretty cool
05:27 AM Tom_L: i thought about that too
05:27 AM Tom_L: threading a grub screw inside
05:28 AM Tom_L: or something
05:28 AM jthornton: yea, on mine you set the screw then bottom the tool out and tighten the collet
05:29 AM Tom_L: with the vise i have limited z for long tools
05:31 AM Tom_L: first part was good, i had to adjust the major diameter by .002" for clearance
05:31 AM Tom_L: i may just add that in the macro so i can just enter the major, minor diameters
05:32 AM Tom_L: so this was a test of the macro and thread milling on it
05:32 AM jthornton: sounds like your about to get it sorted out
05:34 AM Tom_L: in the end there will be 2 op stops to flip the part around in the vise
05:40 AM jthornton: weenerdog: I changed the transfer case actuator but it still does not move so I suspect the transfer case control module is forked but it half works because it does shift the rear motor
05:41 AM weenerdog: hm
05:43 AM jthornton: just gotta figure out how to get the left driver side vent out of the left cluster lol I have the 4w switch, headlight switch and the other thing but the vent is not being easy to get out
05:43 AM weenerdog: this is silly, but have you checked all your grounds?
05:43 AM jthornton: I can see the tccm clearly and it has to come out that way
05:43 AM jthornton: no
05:44 AM weenerdog: i cleaned up one bad ground on my blazer and it fixed all kinds of weird things
05:46 AM jthornton: http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0996b43f/80/24/52/b8/large/0996b43f802452b8.gif
05:46 AM jthornton: lol just need to find where G110 ground point is
05:49 AM weenerdog: few things more fun than an old truck :)
05:49 AM jthornton: from googling I suspect it is on the transmission or similar
05:53 AM jthornton: hmm I think it might be on the left side of the frame near the front axle, I'll check that before ordering a tccm for sure
05:53 AM jthornton: http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/gallery/albums/userpics/26045/Transfer_Case_Harness_Routing.JPG
05:55 AM XXCoder: heh watching a guy work on lathe on youtube... how the heck do people know when to stop threading, expecially if inside
05:57 AM gloops: thread counter + traverse stop
05:57 AM XXCoder: it stops by itself?
05:58 AM gloops: on some lathes yeah you set a 'stop' to knock the traverse off
05:58 AM jthornton: yea my samson has at trip that disengages the feed but nothing for the half nut that I recall
06:00 AM gloops: on the older lathes...you finish the cut by turning the chuck by hand lol
06:00 AM XXCoder: lol ok.
06:01 AM gloops: which isnt such a big deal, on mine the belt is vertical straight behind the headstock, just pull the belt to turn
06:01 AM XXCoder: hgonna love extreme engineering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXPXIKImRRA
06:02 AM XXCoder: portable air pressure pump.
06:02 AM gloops: im ready for a new lathe anyway, im going to get a boxford later in the year
06:02 AM XXCoder: so you can run air pressure stuff remotely
06:03 AM weenerdog: hey i can make one and power my woodsplitter after the apocalypse
06:04 AM XXCoder: basically.
06:10 AM jthornton: I have a hand pump splitter that my buddy gave me that his buddy gave him... doesn't work so well lol
06:10 AM jthornton: was thinking of making some kind of press out of the pump and cylinder...
06:12 AM XXCoder: heh no wonder it was regifted down the road :P
06:44 AM Tom_L: wonder who will be next...
06:45 AM Tom_L: i had one of those hand pumps my bud gave me after he swapped it for an electric pump on his press
06:45 AM Tom_L: i also gave it away
06:46 AM Tom_L: it did keep the shelf underneath it clean for a bit
07:04 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le9NzNwO6Z8
07:04 AM weenerdog: noice
07:05 AM Tom_L: looks familiar
07:05 AM jthornton: yep
07:06 AM Tom_L: ok i'm off to KC
07:07 AM jthornton: have fun
07:11 AM weenerdog: have a good trip
07:11 AM jthornton: weenerdog: I converted my fermentation chiller to a seed germination chamber so my tomatoes seeds have 80°F temperature
07:12 AM weenerdog: sweet
07:22 AM jthornton: I used the controller from the kegerator (no longer have it) to turn on a light and the circulation fan
07:26 AM jthornton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11D_izXNDHQ
07:30 AM weenerdog: raise the mast! keelhaul the hickory!
07:32 AM jthornton: yea I have a bunch of hickory to split
07:35 AM gloops: hickory for firewood!
07:36 AM jthornton: mostly 12" in diameter and under so too small to run through the mill
07:36 AM gloops: hard to find here
07:37 AM jthornton: I cut down some huge hickory, red oak and white oak trees to make my new shop
07:39 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/logs.jpg
07:39 AM jthornton: the limb wood mostly http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/rounds.jpg
07:39 AM gloops: handy to be able to do that lol
07:39 AM jthornton: that photo is after my buddy took some logs to his mill to cut into slabs
07:40 AM jthornton: yea it helps to have collected equipment like the JD 310A
07:40 AM gloops: i suppose on the downside youre probably a long way from a densely populated area where the wood would sell for top prices
07:41 AM jthornton: yea we are about the same distance from St. Louis, Memphis and Little Rock
07:42 AM jthornton: what we didn't use to make slabs I burned for firewood the last 3 years
07:42 AM jthornton: it's all gone now
07:42 AM weenerdog: this summer's fun project is solar heat for the house
07:42 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-14.jpg
07:43 AM gloops: well im just about to try the router out after bringing the PC back from the dead
07:43 AM weenerdog: already got an outdoor wood furnace, so most of the crap work for solar is done. ducts, heat exchanger, pex lines to house are there.
07:43 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/big-dig-13.jpg
07:43 AM weenerdog: i just have to do the fun, sciency part
07:43 AM jthornton: cool
07:44 AM jthornton: I blew out all 4 tires on the ole hoe digging that hole out lol
07:44 AM weenerdog: outdoor wood furnaces succccccccccccccck
07:44 AM weenerdog: lol
07:44 AM weenerdog: it was already in. you cant cut wood fast enough to feed it. but it'll be easy to graft solar collectors onto it
07:45 AM weenerdog: use the same pump
07:45 AM jthornton: your's not very efficient?
07:45 AM weenerdog: it just burns the hell out of wood
07:45 AM weenerdog: i got a good stove in the living room that will keep the house nice on 6 sticks a day
07:45 AM weenerdog: no comparison
07:46 AM jthornton: yea that's odd that it burns so much
07:46 AM weenerdog: and i can bring in enough wood for 3 days and not leave my pajamas when the north wind blows
07:47 AM jthornton: this is the one I heat my machine shop with http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/chinlee-logwood.jpg
07:48 AM jthornton: this one got moved to the new shop http://gnipsel.com/images/equipment-shed/wonderwood.jpg
07:48 AM weenerdog: mine is a big step top.
07:48 AM jthornton: I ran it so hot it's all warped on the inside from when the garage had no insulation and crappy door seals
07:52 AM * jthornton should go start a fire in the shop its -1°C outside
07:57 AM weenerdog: i'm useless. tracy wants to go out of town somewhere. dunno where we'll go.
07:58 AM weenerdog: maybe hot springs
07:58 AM weenerdog: or ashevegas if she wants to shop lol
08:01 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: What is that thing? "Wonderwood"???
08:03 AM JT-Shop: yea
08:06 AM Jymmm: JT-Shop: What is it, besides looking like something from the 60's ?
08:08 AM jthornton: weenerdog: is wood ash good for anything plant wise?
08:09 AM jthornton: Jymmm: google us stove wonderwood
08:09 AM pink_vampire: what "param_pin" mean in the spin box?
08:09 AM Jymmm: jthornton: Yes, keeps bugs away
08:09 AM weenerdog: jthornton, i grow my tomatos in the spots where i burn big brush piles and they do really well
08:10 AM weenerdog: i dunno. i toss mine. i dont make but maybe a 5 gallon bucket every month.
08:11 AM jthornton: I might add some to my raised bed planters when I remodel them
08:11 AM weenerdog: my living room stove burns better if it has maybe 5" of ash in the bottom.
08:11 AM weenerdog: check the ph of the dert in them
08:11 AM gloops: local diy shed surpassed himself, i asked him if his saw was reasonably square - yes, so i let him cut some box sides to correct length for me - 2mm out of square at 9 inch
08:11 AM weenerdog: for your convenience
08:12 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: If the param_pin field is set TRUE(1), a pin will be created that can be used to set the spinbox to an initial value and to remotely alter its value without HID input.
08:12 AM gloops: he charged me £2 for cutting lol, that was a real favour he did me
08:12 AM jthornton: should it be a bit acidic for tomatoes?
08:12 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gui/pyvcp.html#_number_inputs
08:13 AM weenerdog: slightly acidic
08:14 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: so i need to make it unique to each spinbox?
08:14 AM weenerdog: thats cheap, gloops. £1 per mm.
08:14 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: it?
08:14 AM weenerdog: why, you'd fuss if they hung you with a brand new rope :)
08:15 AM pink_vampire: <param_pin>2</param_pin> ... <param_pin>3</param_pin>... etc
08:15 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: for example you could setp pyvcp.spinbox.0.param_pin 30 to change the value of spinbox 0
08:15 AM gloops: good job i didnt want 3ft boards lol
08:15 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: no 0 = false > 0 = true
08:16 AM jthornton: it's a true false pin
08:16 AM jthornton: you could put True, true, 1
08:17 AM jthornton: gloops: must have been the metric to imperial conversion...
08:17 AM pink_vampire: i nee now
08:17 AM pink_vampire: see*
08:17 AM pink_vampire: baby step
08:17 AM jthornton: so you could have a button for example to set the spinbox to a preset value
08:18 AM jthornton: or you could have an external input that sets the spinbox to a preset value
08:19 AM pink_vampire: so in that case you set it up above 1? 2.. 3.. etc?
08:20 AM jthornton: no either set it at 0 or 1
08:21 AM Jymmm: jthornton: I guess I don't know what a "wood Circular" is
08:23 AM Jymmm: weenerdog: Take her to the tool store, she'll love that ;)
08:23 AM jthornton: set <param_pin>1</param_pin> for true or <param_pin>0</param_pin> for false
08:23 AM pink_vampire: i tried now 0, 1 and 2, and it act the same O_o
08:24 AM jthornton: one moment
08:24 AM weenerdog: Jymmm, she actually would
08:24 AM pink_vampire: ok, thanks
08:26 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: when you set <param_pin>0</param_pin> you no longer have the pin pyvcp.spinbox.0.param_pin
08:27 AM jthornton: when you set it to 1 pyvcp.spinbox.0.param_pin will be there
08:27 AM pink_vampire: i leaved it as 1
08:28 AM jthornton: weenerdog: last time we came up to NC we stayed in a cabin at Wears Valley... probably what you see everyday lol
08:47 AM weenerdog: thats over near sevierville, tn jt?
08:48 AM weenerdog: we got a cabin there around christmas. its pretty.
08:48 AM weenerdog: its a little different looking here, jt. i'm in the highest part of the blue ridge mtns.
09:16 AM jthornton: weenerdog: it's inbetween maryville and pideon forge
09:17 AM weenerdog: ya
09:17 AM weenerdog: right on the pigeon river
09:17 AM jthornton: the spinbox size to some extent is determined by the container it's in
09:17 AM jthornton: aye
09:18 AM jthornton: to the south and at the very top of the mountain my bil's family have a cabin
09:18 AM weenerdog: the airb&b we got had a full bed with a footboard. both my gf and i are 6'3". it was like two mules trying to sleep on a poptart :) otherwise great trip
09:18 AM jthornton: lol
09:19 AM * jthornton wanders out to the shop and start a fire
09:34 AM fragalot: 'sup
09:59 AM * weenerdog just surpassed his own geniusness and dropped his fone in the dishwater
10:01 AM SpeedEvil: Pop the battery out, rinse in distilled water.
10:01 AM SpeedEvil: Dry at 80C for a week.
10:03 AM weenerdog: it mostly works. its junk anyhow... the samsung my carrier gives you for free lol
10:03 AM weenerdog: hasn't worked in 4g mode for a long time, just 3g.
10:04 AM weenerdog: i hope it dies. i'll get some cheap motorola.
10:04 AM weenerdog: first and last samsung i'll ever own
10:04 AM SpeedEvil: It is not unlikely to continue to worsen left on its own.
10:05 AM weenerdog: i will zero my .308 in with it :)
10:18 AM fdarling: what is the best way to delay LinuxCNC trying to do anything with the servos after "turning the machine on"? I ask because I am working with a strangely wired machine that actually turns the servo drives on/off entirely including the logic on the drives
10:20 AM fdarling: I understand that there is a timedelay block, but I'm not sure what signals I should be hooking it up to it. There is motion.enable, but it sounds like it'll error out if I use that, and there is motion.feed-inhibit, but I don't want to inhibit just feed necessarily, I want it to not even try to do anything with the servos (including hold position)
10:30 AM fdarling: does motion.feed-inhibit actually turn off servo control (command zero velocity, but not regulate position) or does it try to hold position like "pause" would?
10:35 AM gregcnc: it looks like the latter http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/man/man9/motion.9.html#MOTION%20PINS
11:39 AM fdarling: there seem to be very few results online about how to do this, and it seems like it would be a common issue :-/
11:40 AM fdarling: I need to separate the request to initiate powering up the machine from the signal that the machine is fully powered up and ready to start controlling axes
11:40 AM fdarling: it doesn't seem like it's separated like that though...
11:57 AM _unreal_: sweet.. my computer end is more or less finished
11:57 AM _unreal_: the only thing I need to do now is to get the parallel port stuff solved
12:33 PM net|: www.grandgallery.net << royalty free erotic site. maybe someone has spair video's/pictures to upload. oops wrong channel
01:04 PM R2E4: evening morning afternoon
01:17 PM ve7it: g'day!
01:29 PM gloops: German by any chance ve7it?
01:30 PM ve7it: no.... a bred and born Canadian!
01:31 PM gloops: ahh right, just wondered about the greeting
01:32 PM ve7it: it was my attempt at an auzzie greeting
01:36 PM gloops: lol, very good for a first try
01:43 PM jthornton: damn DCCM is in sight but I can only pull it out 1/2" then it hits a steel support... I wish I had purchased the shop manual when I bought the truck
01:46 PM Laminae_: I'm making some really large gfrc molds out of extruded polystyrene insulation foam. I see a lot of examples of people maching with smaller endmills, anyone tried going to town with a one inch endmill?
01:46 PM Laminae_: If so, what kinda speeds?
01:53 PM pink_vampire: i did with 3/4" endmill in polystyrene
01:53 PM pink_vampire: Laminae_: ^
01:54 PM Laminae_: Hey pink, been a while. How did it go? i'm cutting down to a depth of 4 inches and i'd love to move material fast
01:54 PM Laminae_: And how clean were you results and did you just use a basic 2 flute carbide?
01:55 PM pink_vampire: no
01:55 PM pink_vampire: just 4 F hss
01:56 PM Laminae_: Were the cuts reasonably clean at speed?
01:56 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/WMCFbD9.png
01:57 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/J3Dilbh.png
01:57 PM Laminae_: My biggest limiting factor on this whole thing is that it takes a huge amount of time to rip these molds
01:57 PM Laminae_: If i can speed it up i'm willing to try anything
01:57 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/Wc8bgID.png
01:57 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
01:57 PM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/yAue4Ey.png
01:57 PM Laminae_: That's very nice for expanded foam
01:58 PM Laminae_: I bet it would be much cleaner on extruded too
01:58 PM Laminae_: Any chance you could guess your feed rate?
01:58 PM pink_vampire: the fastest
01:59 PM pink_vampire: i was done with 1000 rpm
01:59 PM Laminae_: Awesome, that's wha ti wanted to heare
01:59 PM Laminae_: hear*
01:59 PM pink_vampire: it is foam after all
01:59 PM Laminae_: I was debating blowing a ton of cash on osrund mills but even the result you had is great for my application
02:00 PM Laminae_: I was more concerned about the foam deflecting
02:00 PM Laminae_: or melting
02:00 PM Laminae_: Just not giving an accurate end product
02:00 PM pink_vampire: with my 60K it is just cut foam like air
02:01 PM pink_vampire: but the largest end mill i tried was 1/8" 4f
02:03 PM Laminae_: I've been using a 1/4 o flute
02:03 PM gloops: foam breasts?
02:03 PM Laminae_: Haha
02:03 PM gloops: are these for your own use Laminae?
02:03 PM Laminae_: I'm actually making speaker enclosures
02:03 PM gloops: ahh right, thats believable
02:04 PM pink_vampire: nehhh
02:04 PM Laminae_: I think i linked you guys that nixie tube clock i made a while ago, someone ended up linking to my pics about how i should chekc out this dude Modustrial Maker on youtube
02:04 PM Laminae_: And man they were damn right, i love the stuff he makes
02:05 PM pink_vampire: link?
02:05 PM Laminae_: And people have had interest in buying some of the things i've made in the past but there was no way i could make them and sell those at a reasonable price
02:06 PM gloops: Ichs had some good stuff going with the hot wire cutter for foam
02:06 PM pink_vampire: http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/original_142160_spVI2NyhmaCilrw3OG7gM3zZI.jpg
02:06 PM gloops: if its just for decorations there is some demand for events, like weddings, huge letters, columns hearts etc
02:09 PM gloops: hot wire = much quicker and cleaner, doesnt need a strong machine, you can knock something up out of wood, no resistance with cutting
02:11 PM Laminae_: https://imgur.com/gallery/JZ9dE8G
02:11 PM Laminae_: I know you guys hate instagram so i put it on imgur real fast
02:11 PM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdNOgjC4laE
02:11 PM Laminae_: Can't really use a hot wire for this project
02:12 PM Laminae_: I would love to have one though
02:12 PM Laminae_: Could make the speaker exterior maybe
02:12 PM gloops: very good Laminae, i need to get into led stuff
02:13 PM Laminae_: Thanks! i only assembled the kit though and made the enclosure, the rest is all someone a lot smarter than me
02:13 PM gloops: well you can add a hot wire to the z axis, use a small cutter shape as opposed to a cheesewire technique, thats how ichs did it, on 4 axis
02:13 PM pink_vampire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_oVejBXe0c
02:13 PM gloops: i havent got room for huge foam blocks though heh
02:14 PM Laminae_: I am just now able to expand my cutting area, i got a new x axis actuator
02:14 PM Laminae_: It's been a few months since i got it, did i tell you guys the horror story?
02:15 PM gloops: if you did i wasnt here, what happened?
02:16 PM Laminae_: Heh
02:17 PM Laminae_: SO i really wanted a 30in x axis and it just so happens parker daedal makes some sweet actuators
02:17 PM Laminae_: I saw one in really good condition for 500 bucks on ebay, said it came with a nema 23 mount
02:18 PM Laminae_: So i bought it (plus shipping) and when it arrived it WAS NOT a nema 23 mount
02:18 PM Laminae_: And you can't really get those mounts anywhere
02:18 PM Laminae_: So i contacted the buyer who was very appologetic and said he would give me half the money back if i just kept it
02:19 PM Laminae_: SO i downloaded a model of the one i had and the one i needed aaaaan realized buried in the mass of metal i could dig out the motor i needed... maybe
02:20 PM Laminae_: And if you guys remember i'm still just a strub greenie on the cnc router stuff, much more comfortable on co2 lasers and 3d printers but i decided i was going to do it
02:20 PM gloops: and it worked out ok?
02:21 PM Laminae_: Well, it wasn't pretty but take a look: https://imgur.com/gallery/A06n7Hu
02:22 PM gloops: that looks ok to me, and if it functions as intended, thats that
02:22 PM Laminae_: I moved the air nozzle for the camera there, but all i used was cooling air and it came out okay, i didn't really have any short 1/4in endmills so.... i just kept it light
02:23 PM pink_vampire: what is the rpm? feed? doc?
02:23 PM gloops: that looks like a decently heavy cut for a router
02:24 PM Laminae_: I'd have to open fusion, i don't remember haha, i basically copied the maritool mid range rates and went to town
02:25 PM Laminae_: My router isn't great, but all the actuators are parker linear actuators and i am working them waaaay under what they are rate for
02:26 PM Laminae_: That machine started life as a openbuilds c beam xl and i realized i was asking way too much of it
02:27 PM Laminae_: So i scrapped those flimsy polycarbonate wheel bearing actuators and put the parker ones in their place and put plates on either side and added an exuded bed
02:27 PM Laminae_: I cut stuff for vacuum forming a lot and a little bit of cf plate
02:27 PM Laminae_: Although sadly the flood tank i made for cf was crashed into
02:28 PM Laminae_: Because i was an idiot and now i need to build another
02:40 PM gloops: well, im not cutting a lot at all atm, although did start 3 beehive brood boxes earlier, too busy with other stuff for a couple of weeks
02:47 PM Laminae_: Ooh, i've always thought bee keeping was pretty cool
02:47 PM Laminae_: You one of those people that doesn't wear any protective gear?
02:51 PM gloops: no..im not haha
02:52 PM gloops: i always wear gloves, i dont mind having a quick look with nothing else, but if its more than i look i cover my head
02:57 PM Laminae_: You ever make your own soap or lotion with the wax?
02:57 PM Laminae_: I've always thought that was cool
02:59 PM gloops: no not done much of that kind of stuff, for the past few years ive done little more than keep the couple of hives ive got going, i am going to try expanding a little though with it heh
02:59 PM gloops: all ive done
03:05 PM Laminae_: Sounds like a big project as it is
03:39 PM _unreal_: is anyone good a compiling kernels?
03:40 PM _unreal_: ?
03:44 PM gloops: i know Tom_L and jthornton do it regularly, probably quite a few people in here
03:49 PM andypugh: I am calibrating my faro arm
03:49 PM andypugh: Using my NSK megatorque as a protractor.
03:50 PM _unreal_: hum
03:50 PM _unreal_: gloops, just trying to find someone that can give me a hand getting the a kernel compiled
03:50 PM _unreal_: for my armbian system
03:51 PM andypugh: Which kernel?
03:51 PM andypugh: https://photos.app.goo.gl/fBHSVXfuAKUBQ83o7
03:52 PM andypugh: The Megatorque is just being used as a handy bearing and super-accurate encoder (the serial display shows angle to 0.01 degrees)
03:53 PM _unreal_: andypugh, realtime
03:54 PM _unreal_: andypugh, https://www.armbian.com/tinkerboard/
03:54 PM _unreal_: https://www.armbian.com/tinkerboard/#collapse-widget-5-0-0-3 link from page in pryer link
03:55 PM _unreal_: andypugh, looking at photo, interesting... no idea what I'm looking at but interesting :)
03:55 PM andypugh: Anything helpful here? https://github.com/arne48/armbian_build
03:56 PM _unreal_: I noticed the pendent, I have a whb04b-6 I want to setup to use with linuxcnc but I cant get linuxcnc setup till I get the damn real time kernel built for the tinker board
03:57 PM _unreal_: andypugh, :) thanks for the link I have looked at that location before, my issue is I dont have a system that I can compile on... and I cant seem to get VM to work on this system..
03:57 PM _unreal_: I'm not about to take down this system put a different harddrive in JUST to install ubuntu to compile one kernel
03:57 PM andypugh: That pendant is just a serial terminal. (kind of cool in that sense). The NSK drive is serial-commanded
03:57 PM _unreal_: nice
03:59 PM andypugh: Can’t you compile on the tinkerboard? (Patience might be needed)
03:59 PM _unreal_: no
03:59 PM _unreal_: there is no environment bilt for it
03:59 PM _unreal_: andypugh, https://www.armbian.com/tinkerboard/#collapse-widget-5-0-0-3
04:00 PM _unreal_: links to this https://docs.armbian.com/Developer-Guide_Build-Preparation/
04:00 PM andypugh: Ah, well, looks like you are out of luck then.
04:01 PM andypugh: Unless you can install a non-VM version of Bionic on “this system” (whatever that is)
04:01 PM _unreal_: not with out swapping harddrives and I am not taking my main computer off line
04:02 PM _unreal_: I need it for work
04:03 PM andypugh: Well it does sound like the combination of your limitations and the limittations of those build instructions mean that it is impossile.
04:03 PM andypugh: So, you need to change one or the other.
04:04 PM _unreal_: this computer is a dual boot fedora/win10
04:04 PM _unreal_: I cant seem to get vm to work
04:04 PM _unreal_: never have
04:04 PM _unreal_: always get kernel errors
04:04 PM _unreal_: https://docs.armbian.com/Developer-Guide_Build-Preparation/
04:04 PM _unreal_: Failed to open a session for the virtual machine ubuntu bionic.
04:06 PM andypugh: What OS is on the Tinkerboard?
04:11 PM _unreal_: !? heh did you look at the links ?
04:13 PM andypugh: A bit
04:13 PM andypugh: Just wondering what happens if you attempt to build on the Tinkerboard
04:14 PM andypugh: Otherwise the obvious conclusion is that it is impossible for you to build a realtime kernel.
04:15 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: nice foam milling video! like the vacuum system. whole shop'd be white without it!
04:16 PM _unreal_: https://www.armbian.com/kernel/
04:16 PM pink_vampire: i want to cut something with my sine plate
04:20 PM andypugh: _unreal_: I am not sure what you wnat from us?
04:20 PM _unreal_: andypugh, using armbian-config a CLI scrip util
04:20 PM _unreal_: there is a thing that says switch to other kernels
04:21 PM _unreal_: that link I JUST posted do you see any RT-preempt kernel options?
04:21 PM _unreal_: I'm not using beta.
04:23 PM _unreal_: for all I know I could be looking at it and not realize it
04:24 PM andypugh: I don’t see any obvious kernels at all
04:25 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: HMM dunno what angled thing do you want to make?
04:26 PM pink_vampire: something with the C axis and the sine plate
04:26 PM pink_vampire: 4+1 machining
04:27 PM andypugh: _unreal_: You could try looking in here: https://beta.armbian.com/pool/main/l/
04:28 PM R2E4: hi All
04:28 PM R2E4: hey andypugh: thanks for pointing out my error in the remap
04:28 PM andypugh: It was just a guess :-)
04:29 PM XXCoder: pink cool, you will have ideas evenually :)
04:29 PM pink_vampire: mm yeah
04:30 PM pink_vampire: i'm trying to fit an image in to pyvcp
04:30 PM _unreal_: is linux-xenial-root-next-tinkerboard/ 10-Mar-2019 21:10 pre-empt?
04:31 PM andypugh: I doubt it
04:31 PM R2E4: andypugh: was a good one...lol
04:31 PM andypugh: I found that folder with a google seach “linux-image site:beta.armbian.com"
04:31 PM R2E4: Everything is working now. offsets tools drills.
04:32 PM andypugh: A search for “preempt site:beta.armbian.com” doesn’t find anything
04:34 PM R2E4: Was thinking of writing up a section for pure python remap so JT can add it.It is a bit different from ngc remap and if you implement the ngc remap using python it doesnt work.
04:34 PM R2E4: THere is no pure python remaps in the examples or docs.
04:35 PM R2E4: that I could find.
04:54 PM Tom_L: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/20-g-code/32794-remapping-m100-m199-in-python
04:56 PM Tom_L: maybe not alot of help
04:57 PM Tom_L: https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/201288d6cace94546b2575aaaf3617e874f3a1a2/nc_files/remap_lib/python-stdglue/stdglue.py
04:57 PM Tom_L: not sure about that one
05:01 PM Tom_L: more and better docs is always a good thing...
05:14 PM R2E4: The second one is standard glue file. But that one is not good. it has the stand return according to the docs needs yield. but pure python yield doesnt work eiother at least not during an M6.
05:14 PM Tom_L: ok
05:14 PM R2E4: Thats what I found. Maybe I should have said pure python M6 remap.
05:14 PM Tom_L: i've only done one remap so i'm no expert by any means
05:15 PM Tom_L: and i don't do python
05:15 PM Tom_L: :)
05:15 PM Tom_L: wish i did
05:15 PM R2E4: I did one a couple years ago in 2017, and I tried it on new master and it didnt work. I just spent a week figuring out why.
05:17 PM R2E4: But standard glue is broken with pure python M6 remap.
05:17 PM Tom_L: ok
05:21 PM R2E4: gotta run c-ya
05:33 PM Deejay: gn8
06:12 PM andypugh: These potentiometers in the Faro arm joints look very linear.
06:13 PM andypugh: Which you would expect, I bet that it was hard to linearise in software in the 80s.
06:14 PM andypugh: The annoying thing here is that every time I get up out of the chair I pick up a static charge. I am having to take an allen key with me to the Faro arm to make discharing not hurt.
06:15 PM Tom_L: i thought UK was more humid than that...
06:16 PM andypugh: It is pelting down with rain outside.
06:18 PM andypugh: Though my weather-station thing only reckong 43% RH
06:36 PM pink_vampire: hi
06:37 PM pink_vampire: is there a way to get how much time left for the gcode?
06:38 PM gloops: check the current line number and work it out as a percentage from that?
06:38 PM pink_vampire: i want the time
06:38 PM pink_vampire: like a microwave
06:39 PM gloops: do you want it to go 'ding ding' when its finished?
06:39 PM Wolf__: buy a commercial cnc machine
06:39 PM Wolf__: they probably have code cycle time display
06:40 PM XXCoder: nah not even there
06:40 PM Wolf__: really?
06:40 PM gloops: if you have 100 lines of code, and 50 lines took 30 minutes, you make a guestimation of there being 30 minutes left
06:40 PM XXCoder: you could run gcode in sim with same speed for rapid etc as real one it can estimate time total
06:40 PM pink_vampire: gloops: i already implemented a beep at the end
06:41 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: cycle time is useful only if you run more than one.
06:41 PM XXCoder: one offs its useless
06:41 PM gloops: knock a little script up and make a panel readout
06:41 PM pink_vampire: i have even beep for the probe
06:41 PM Wolf__: yeah, get the total time from CAM sim, then run a countdown timer?
06:41 PM gloops: in fact there may be one on the website
06:41 PM Wolf__: time by gcode line count wouldnt work
06:41 PM pink_vampire: Wolf__: but i also do probing stuff
06:42 PM Wolf__: one line could be 1 cm or 1 mt of cut
06:42 PM andypugh: pink_vampire: In the Axis GUI look at “file properties"
06:42 PM andypugh: Gives a runtime
06:42 PM pink_vampire: andypugh: is there a way to get it from a hal pin?
06:42 PM gloops: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_pyvcp.html
06:43 PM pink_vampire: i know about the option in the gcode properties
06:43 PM andypugh: No. And it is actually a bit inaccurate
06:43 PM gloops: i didnt know there was a runtime on the UI - ill chck that tommorrow
06:43 PM XXCoder: maybe add event to m30 to pin out
06:43 PM XXCoder: you can then wire that pin to whatever/
06:44 PM andypugh: But there are cycle time display options in the forum
06:45 PM pink_vampire: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/time.9.html
06:46 PM gloops: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/man/man9/time.9.html
06:46 PM XXCoder: sometimes developer sets run time to be riciously wrong lol
06:46 PM XXCoder: like 10 minutes but actually takes approxately 17 minutes
06:46 PM XXCoder: machine tool changes take time, etc
06:47 PM XXCoder: some machines is configured to place table at certain x Y in order to rotate on B for example that takes bit extra time
06:48 PM Wolf__: that may be the cam soft not adding time for the tool changes
06:52 PM andypugh: The estimate takes no account of accel time, so short segments that run slower than programmed take longer. It is purely path length and feed.
06:54 PM pink_vampire: LOL after all this work in the pyvcp, it is counting up
06:56 PM * jthornton is the father of time
06:56 PM XXCoder: jthornton: you owe me for all the wasted time!!
06:56 PM XXCoder: ;)
06:56 PM jthornton: lol, time.comp that is
07:00 PM gloops: think of it more as a cnc sun dial, than a quartz clock pink_vampire
07:02 PM pink_vampire: i need to not afraid and do the step, remove a kidney and get a Datron
07:03 PM XXCoder: dental milling machine
07:03 PM XXCoder: https://www.datron.com/cnc-machine-products/d5.php
07:03 PM pink_vampire: the m8 is very nice
07:03 PM pink_vampire: even the m7 is fine
07:03 PM pink_vampire: even the neo
07:04 PM XXCoder: not bad'
07:04 PM XXCoder: it doesnt say price which means I cant afford it.
07:04 PM jthornton: lol
07:05 PM pink_vampire: it is between one kidney to half a liver
07:05 PM XXCoder: few used ones on offering. still does not list price
07:05 PM XXCoder: liver is better, it regrows.
07:06 PM gloops: expensive as a toy, not if you have work for it
07:06 PM pink_vampire: so maybe we have a solution
07:06 PM gloops: make a business plan and see the bank manager
07:06 PM gloops: once youve got the machine you can throw the plan away
07:06 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: company I work for is selling old fadal for $2000, or haas office mill for $25,000
07:07 PM XXCoder: cheaper than orginial price of $60,000 lol
07:07 PM pink_vampire: dose it come with a shed and toilet?
07:07 PM XXCoder: office mill is ok for sometimes use, and it uses 220v and not phase 3 power. very not recommanded for prod tho lol
07:08 PM XXCoder: its very small. ie: fit in your closet small
07:08 PM XXCoder: but also very messy machine lol
07:08 PM pink_vampire: i need only 3 things, roof, cnc and a toilet
07:08 PM Wolf__: small, so not Cat50? :P
07:08 PM XXCoder: cat10?
07:08 PM jthornton: no sink?
07:08 PM XXCoder: i dont know what name of toolholders it use but i can almost hide it with my hand.
07:09 PM XXCoder: only tool sticking out of fist
07:09 PM pink_vampire: jthornton: a real machinist use m07
07:10 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bridgeport-milling-machine/223446743585?
07:10 PM XXCoder: lol
07:10 PM jthornton: no, real machinists use M8! FLOOD
07:11 PM XXCoder: LOL! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-Haas-OM-2A-Office-Mill-Great-condition/223447238005
07:11 PM XXCoder: you can see my tool cart in refection
07:11 PM * jthornton resists clicking on the links
07:11 PM XXCoder: 28k usd
07:12 PM XXCoder: inside picture shows fixtures for parts that I made thousand of in that damned machine
07:12 PM Wolf__: iso20 spindle, yeah thats pretty small
07:12 PM XXCoder: its very funny to see my tool cart in refection
07:13 PM pink_vampire: where??
07:13 PM XXCoder: first picture, off refection from window
07:13 PM XXCoder: you can see big black cart
07:14 PM XXCoder: second one also
07:14 PM pink_vampire: O_O?
07:14 PM pink_vampire: no idea
07:14 PM XXCoder: its not very clear refection yeah
07:14 PM XXCoder: on second picture you can see doors on bottom
07:15 PM XXCoder: its a chip drawer doors.
07:15 PM XXCoder: inside it theres coolant spray hose that often leaks
07:15 PM pink_vampire: thx for the info, i will ask for a discount.
07:15 PM XXCoder: one of flaws is that chips could be blown up inside rear column and then inferences with metal sensor there, messing with z
07:16 PM XXCoder: never use air hose to blow around chips on bottom. only table and tool
07:16 PM pink_vampire: it is like the hass version of the g0704
07:17 PM XXCoder: BTW my cart is exactly same as this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYr9nPv9sI8
07:17 PM XXCoder: I love it.
07:17 PM XXCoder: mine is now nearly 4 years old.
07:18 PM pink_vampire: nice!
07:18 PM pink_vampire: i have the 39$ HF one
07:18 PM XXCoder: mine was $660 with taxes
07:18 PM XXCoder: kenndy ones sold at shop is $800 for small one. HAH!
07:18 PM XXCoder: i said fuck it and get black one. love it since
07:19 PM pink_vampire: https://www.harborfreight.com/30-in-x-16-in-three-shelf-steel-service-cart-62179.html
07:19 PM pink_vampire: my cart
07:19 PM XXCoder: thats perfect for place thats all yours
07:20 PM XXCoder: i need to lock my stuff on.
07:20 PM XXCoder: in
07:20 PM pink_vampire: i have no stuff
07:20 PM XXCoder: video shows same issue i have with mine, alum runners getting loose. thankfully mione is small drawer while his is big drawer. ouch.
07:22 PM _unreal_: there tarted a github https://github.com/berinc/Asus-Tinker-Board/blob/master/README.md
07:22 PM Wolf__: $800 https://i.imgur.com/jTM8VrQ.jpg =P
07:23 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: precisely.
07:23 PM XXCoder: those carts is very common at shop.
07:23 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, where are you located looks cold
07:23 PM Wolf__: w/ https://i.imgur.com/DO8MeXD.jpg
07:23 PM pink_vampire: vape included! nice
07:23 PM elmo40: Wolf__, $800, with all the keys?
07:23 PM Wolf__: they were full lol
07:23 PM elmo40: that is a good buy
07:24 PM XXCoder: with tools yeah very good deal
07:24 PM XXCoder: elmo40: single one on right is $800 new lol
07:24 PM XXCoder: (cart no tools)
07:25 PM elmo40: i have the top one on the left. cost me $300, used, with various minor tools (1,2,3 blocks, old verniers... )
07:25 PM Wolf__: https://imgur.com/a/ZcvyN more then one drawer
07:25 PM jthornton: Wolf__: nice real kennedy chests
07:25 PM jthornton: I have the imitation of the upper left one
07:25 PM XXCoder: jt i dont know appeal of kenndy lol I love my kirkland one :P
07:27 PM norias: eh
07:27 PM norias: i'm thinking about getting a Kennedy as a "backup" box
07:27 PM jthornton: I'm not sure of the brand of mine but it's the same color as the kennedy and the exact shape
07:27 PM Wolf__: I got mine used and full of stuff, otherwise they arent all that great in the way of tool boxes IMO
07:28 PM norias: I might find some industrious wood worker to pay to re-do my old Gerstner
07:28 PM Wolf__: https://imgur.com/a/VvHc3 other used box, IIRC $175 for that one
07:30 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: ehh some rust but not bad
07:30 PM XXCoder: nice bunch of calipers etc
07:30 PM XXCoder: old but if still certifable..
07:30 PM Wolf__: yeah, digital mic was dead and one of the last word didn’t work, not that I use them ever
07:31 PM XXCoder: dial test indictors look very old.
07:31 PM XXCoder: wouldnt use it, though maube good for cool display
07:31 PM Wolf__: for home shop, imo vidmar cabinets > tool boxes
07:32 PM XXCoder: can tell too much humdifity where it was stored for while
07:32 PM Wolf__: it was on a exposed car port...
07:32 PM Wolf__: _unreal_: Maryland
07:34 PM Wolf__: ugh, heard today that my building permit may take over 3months to get approved when I go to do it =/
07:34 PM XXCoder: bleh
07:35 PM Wolf__: may have to switch to a wood post frame building
07:35 PM andypugh: Just been looking at pictures of a Rivett lathe on the oak stand that spent 3 days in 2’ of water after Hurricane Harvery.
07:35 PM pink_vampire: ?
07:35 PM andypugh: The oak stand looks past its best
07:36 PM jthornton: from Texas?
07:37 PM XXCoder: pink_vampire: btw if wondering how much office mill weights its 1500lb lol
07:37 PM jthornton: that's pretty lite
07:38 PM Wolf__: damn thats lighter then my jet I think
07:38 PM XXCoder: yeah but tad heavy for apartment floor lol
07:39 PM jthornton: if it fits in the elevator your ok
07:40 PM Wolf__: also lighter then the pool table I’m putting in my living room lol
07:41 PM Wolf__: I think...
07:43 PM Wolf__: I was off, its only 1168 lbs worth of pool table lol
07:44 PM XXCoder: lol
07:44 PM XXCoder: i want pool table but man no room and how often will i play on it? eh
07:45 PM Wolf__: yeah they take up a large amount of room
07:46 PM Wolf__: 9’ table especially lol
07:48 PM Wolf__: room for it is suggested 15’ x19’ with no obstructions around it…
07:50 PM XXCoder: fun
07:52 PM andypugh: Try fitting in a full-size snooker table
07:53 PM Wolf__: haha, I know that wont fit, front part of my house isnt wide enough
07:53 PM andypugh: 356.9cm (11 feet 8.5 inches) by 177.8 (5 feet 10 inches)
07:53 PM XXCoder: if I recall right in star wars there was pool that was literally full of water amd some balls
07:53 PM XXCoder: no idea how that game worked lol
07:54 PM Wolf__: one of the pool halls I frequented while growing up has a full sized snooker table
07:55 PM Wolf__: s/has/had…
07:55 PM Wolf__: closed probably 20 years almost now =/
07:57 PM XXCoder: amazing, with armies of fanbois commenting on dent on millenium falcon screen, nobody commented on water pool thing
07:57 PM Wolf__: lol
08:13 PM norias: i kinda want a vacuum former
08:13 PM norias: seem useful
08:19 PM jdh: make one
08:19 PM XXCoder: theres youtube channel showing that
08:20 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx66mS7U2vY tons annoying animations
08:21 PM XXCoder: better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMbX3bqfzsk
08:23 PM norias: eh.
08:23 PM norias: don't know if i have time to make one
08:24 PM XXCoder: handcam, but doesnt need oven https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_sYUcK6ats
08:24 PM XXCoder: he uses wood box with 2 heaters inside it
08:26 PM XXCoder: finally found it. norias https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ynFpxokWlM
08:26 PM XXCoder: all in one solution thats way simpler. harder to make but once have easy to use
08:43 PM XXCoder: norias: what sizes did you want? theres dentures ones thats quite small lol all over aliexpress last I looked
08:44 PM norias: yeah, i have to figure that out
08:44 PM XXCoder: LOL https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bender-Signs-LED-letter-Vacuum-Forming-Machine-1515/32864835092.html
08:48 PM norias: perfect
08:48 PM norias: lol
08:53 PM Tom_itx: ok i kicked the feed up a notch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkAAWT7Nxd8&feature=youtu.be
08:53 PM XXCoder: anyway the dentires one I think has square footage of 3" side or so
08:53 PM XXCoder: not very large
09:00 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWXJDiKQ0dU nice!@
09:00 PM XXCoder: Tom_itx: nice :)
09:31 PM Tom_L: just not sure how hard to push them
09:32 PM Tom_L: Lcvette?
09:47 PM Lcvette: Push it
09:50 PM Lcvette: Tom_L: the closer you get to finished depth the more engagement you have, so you can use a deeper first pass and leave a lighter end pass so it has the same load on the tool both passes
09:51 PM Lcvette: But keep cranking out up, you aren't going to hurt that big thread mill
09:51 PM Lcvette: Run it at 0.001" ipt
09:52 PM Lcvette: Rpm wide open
09:54 PM Lcvette: You'll dull it from under feeding it before you hurt it from over feeding it
10:46 PM renesis: first race 2019 f1 in 90 minutes
10:47 PM ziper: for months i have though torno was a brand
10:47 PM ziper: but its actually just lathe in spanish
10:54 PM renesis: seems like the equivalent of a 'turny' in english