#linuxcnc Logs
Mar 07 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:01 AM Jymmm: LEts just do 600V instead
12:05 AM cncnoob: 1 billion volts
01:28 AM PL7icnc: Somone on the Forum shoudt remove the Doubel postings
01:29 AM PL7icnc: it is sad to have no PM on this forum to thell the Moderators
02:04 AM Deejay: moin
03:14 AM selroc: hello
03:14 AM selroc: good morning
04:35 AM jthornton: morning
04:36 AM XXCoder: hey
04:36 AM XXCoder: know whats so not fun?
04:37 AM XXCoder: day shift not clearing 4 over inch deep holes thats thin, and 105 parts lol
04:37 AM XXCoder: i had to clear em all.
04:37 AM XXCoder: took me all day
04:37 AM XXCoder: one good thing out of this is that day went fast!
04:42 AM jthornton: what do you mean by clear the holes?
04:44 AM * jthornton has to find out how many days from winter solstice to 14hrs of daylight so the chicken door won't break again
04:45 AM XXCoder: blow chips out of holes
04:45 AM jthornton: ah a post machining op
04:45 AM XXCoder: yeah. its super annoying
04:46 AM XXCoder: holes are tiny yet .6 inch deep lol
04:46 AM XXCoder: and its threaded
04:46 AM jthornton: what size thread?
04:46 AM XXCoder: hmm 56 something?
04:47 AM jthornton: 2-56?
04:47 AM XXCoder: think so
04:47 AM jthornton: yea that's pretty small need a small needle to blow them out I guess
04:48 AM XXCoder: it sucks. 105 parts * 4 = way too holes
04:48 AM XXCoder: *many
05:11 AM Wolfmetalfab is now known as Wolf__
05:17 AM Tom_L: morning
05:18 AM XXCoder: heys
05:18 AM Tom_L: jthornton do you remember what deb i need so i can upgrade from 2.7 pre?
05:18 AM Tom_L: i installed on a new ssd but can't seem to get the upgrade to take
05:19 AM Tom_L: then i'll move to 2.8 on it
05:19 AM Tom_L: hope your chicken clock works sunday :) it's time to move an hour
05:20 AM jthornton: 2.7 pre is a buildbot deb
05:20 AM jthornton: what are you trying to do?
05:20 AM Tom_L: it was on this cd i burned ages ago
05:20 AM Tom_L: i'm setting up a test drive to move from 2.7.14 to 2.8 master
05:21 AM Tom_L: before i disturb the 'real' one :)
05:21 AM Tom_L: but i wanted the latest 2.7 on it so i can verify my configs etc
05:21 AM jthornton: why not just install 2.8
05:22 AM Tom_L: on wheezy?
05:22 AM Tom_L: i have it on stretch
05:22 AM Tom_L: on another drive
05:22 AM Tom_L: the MB is too slow to run stretch
05:22 AM jthornton: stretch is debian 9?
05:23 AM Tom_L: yes
05:23 AM jthornton: I can't ever remember the silly names
05:23 AM Tom_L: heh
05:23 AM Tom_L: i can only remembe a couple
05:23 AM jthornton: much easier for me to just use the numbers lol
05:23 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-emc.html
05:24 AM jthornton: the emc install should be the same on 7 or 9 I'd think
05:25 AM Tom_L: i'll try it later today
05:25 AM Tom_L: thanks
05:26 AM jthornton: ok, let me know if anything is different
05:26 AM Tom_L: that's gonna put stretch on it though isn't it?
05:26 AM jthornton: that link is just for emc
05:26 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian7-rt.html
05:27 AM jthornton: lol it just points you to the lcnc docs
05:28 AM jthornton: I've only tested it with debian 9, I should test with debian 7 as well
05:28 AM Tom_L: it's already got the deb line for wheezy in the updater
05:28 AM Tom_L: deb http://linuxcnc.org wheezy base 2.7-rtai
05:28 AM Tom_L: but it doesn't update it to 2.7.14
05:30 AM jthornton: debian does not update itself you have to do it manually
05:30 AM Tom_L: right
05:30 AM jthornton: sudo apt update
05:30 AM Tom_L: i did that in a terminal
05:30 AM Tom_L: i'll look at the original ssd and see where it's pointing
05:31 AM jthornton: hmm that's odd even my ubuntu 10.04 updated to the latest 2.7
05:31 AM Tom_L: i started on it kinda late so who knows what i did :)
05:31 AM jthornton: chicken door broke this morning lol one of the calculations is how many days back is the winter solstice
05:32 AM jthornton: but the for loop didn't have enough days
05:32 AM XXCoder: doh
05:32 AM Tom_L: heh
05:33 AM jthornton: yea if daylight is increasing and daylight is less than 14 I add a few minutes per day from winter solstice up to 14 hours max
05:45 AM Loetmichel: jthornton: and now you hve "chicken sticks" ? or isnt it cold where you are?
05:45 AM jthornton: -7°C at the moment yes
05:46 AM XXCoder: here its right below freeing lol st 0c I guess
05:46 AM XXCoder: or 32f
05:46 AM Loetmichel: jthornton: ah, that should be no problem for chickens. for a while at least
05:47 AM Loetmichel: -40°C i would be wary that they freeze solid after a while
05:48 AM jthornton: yea chickens have a built in comforter with down filled insulation
05:49 AM jthornton: it's funny to watch them disappear inside themselves at night when they turn into a big ball of feathers
05:50 AM Loetmichel: yes
05:54 AM XXCoder: almost tribbles eh heh
05:54 AM Loetmichel: just feathers instead of fur
05:55 AM Loetmichel: even the sounds are somewhat similar ;)
05:56 AM XXCoder: lol ok
05:56 AM XXCoder: i have quite old tribble here
05:56 AM XXCoder: had it for quite a while
06:47 AM weenerdog: howdy
06:48 AM pink_vampire: hi
06:59 AM miss0r2: meh.. been at it since 3 in the morning by now *yawn*
06:59 AM miss0r2: and it is now two in the afternoon
07:00 AM weenerdog: i slept in til almost 7
07:01 AM miss0r2: nice
07:01 AM weenerdog: i farm for a living and kinda hibernate in winter :)
07:02 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: It is starting to take shape: https://imgur.com/a/2tPVFkf in the middle of that is going to be seated a 20mm plate with ALOT of threads and holes in'it :)
07:02 AM miss0r2: I do machining/machines for a living
07:03 AM weenerdog: in another life long ago i did too
07:03 AM miss0r2: meh. I still need to add helicoils to all the holes... and I can't do that until I have gotten it anodized. But no worries. it doesn't have to ship until monday
07:04 AM miss0r2: I used to be an electrician, until I decided this was what I wanted :)
07:05 AM miss0r2: if only I had two CNC mills.. then this would be faster :D
07:06 AM XXCoder: yeah
07:06 AM XXCoder: then you have twice as many jobs
07:06 AM miss0r2: knowing myself, I would probably end up taking in twice as much work... :)
07:06 AM miss0r2: Indeed
07:07 AM miss0r2: What do you think of the base dolley?
07:07 AM XXCoder: the rails thing under the parts you made? or black frame under it?
07:07 AM pink_vampire: miss0r2: what are you doing?
07:08 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: nah, that is just the trossing size it will run on as a minimum size
07:08 AM miss0r2: pink_vampire: Two camera dolleys - for moving cameras while filming
07:08 AM weenerdog: i got a stupid question i cant find an answer for... when you order cheap ass ballscrews, is the length you buy just the threaded part, or the whole thing?
07:09 AM miss0r2: weenerdog: Excellent question. but I don't think theres a universal answer, though.
07:09 AM miss0r2: It very much depends on the seller
07:09 AM weenerdog: thank you
07:10 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: Hehe, the trolley had a minimum load requirement of 40 kgs. I think this thing can handle 400-600 kgs :)
07:10 AM miss0r2: The wheels are rated at 50kgs each
07:11 AM XXCoder: lol if its not overkill youre not doing your job ;)
07:11 AM miss0r2: hehe indeed
07:11 AM miss0r2: "the heaviest camera we are going to need mounted on there is 40kgs ish"...
07:12 AM * miss0r2 on the verge of a coffee induced coma.... 400kg ! GO GO GO
07:12 AM XXCoder: "oh thought 40kg had 2 more zeros past that
07:12 AM miss0r2: in that case I failed... ? :)
07:13 AM XXCoder: 2 metric tons camera would be camera of gods :P
07:14 AM miss0r2: that must be able to record 100^10x100000 frames/sec at 16k res
07:14 AM miss0r2: even then I would not be satisfied
07:18 AM XXCoder: lol yea though it'd have to be hundreds of cameras recording seperately in order to bring in heavy data
07:21 AM XXCoder: you heard of fairly strange new kind of camera?
07:21 AM XXCoder: its bunch of random cameras on surface
07:21 AM XXCoder: it calculates best image out of all of em
07:21 AM XXCoder: and you can change focus anytime
07:21 AM jthornton: miss0r2: looking good
07:22 AM XXCoder: this one https://light.co/camera
07:22 AM pink_vampire: weenerdog: the ballscrews i got years ago to the machine was abit bent
07:22 AM XXCoder: you could make one I think software is opensource?
07:23 AM weenerdog: pink : i've read that in reviews
07:23 AM miss0r2: XXCoder: I think that sounds like alot of work :)
07:24 AM miss0r2: jthornton: Thanks
07:24 AM XXCoder: yeah I bet also
07:24 AM XXCoder: review of curious lol its so expensive.. lol https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/10/17218758/light-l16-review-camera-photos
08:06 AM miss0r2: The last dovetail operation has been started... Can't wait for that cutter to be out of here
08:07 AM XXCoder: lol
08:07 AM XXCoder: silence is golden
08:07 AM XXCoder: unless you have kids
08:07 AM XXCoder: then it is... troubling.
08:08 AM weenerdog: lord help me i'm looking at ballscrews on banggood. chinesium for the win, baby!
08:08 AM miss0r2: I have kids...
08:08 AM XXCoder: lol
08:08 AM XXCoder: weenerdog: yeah hope its well packed
08:09 AM XXCoder: you probably need to swap bearings or clean em up. 99.9% chance
08:09 AM XXCoder: in fact probably order bearing balls. better sizes
08:09 AM pink_vampire: weenerdog: what machine do you have??
08:10 AM weenerdog: pink : i dont. i'm designing a shitty 3 axis router for woodwork.
08:10 AM miss0r2: I should send this cutter to syyl. he likes grinding odd stuff :P
08:10 AM syyl: and i like writing invoices
08:10 AM weenerdog: lol
08:11 AM miss0r2: syyl: 60 degree chinesium dovetail cutter. with atleast one tooth larger than the others
08:11 AM miss0r2: the payment for grinding it is the cutter itself. :D
08:11 AM XXCoder: lol you guys
08:11 AM miss0r2: I just want it out of here hehe
08:11 AM pink_vampire: weenerdog: any pics
08:12 AM weenerdog: yeah lemme find
08:12 AM pink_vampire: sounds interesting , i want to make a machine for wood stuff also
08:14 AM weenerdog: photobucket is currently shitting itself. i'll try again in a few minutes. i make musical instruments, pink
08:15 AM weenerdog: but i'm building a 4'x4' machine. i have other bigger things i want to make.
08:15 AM pink_vampire: sounds cool!
08:16 AM pink_vampire: before: https://i.imgur.com/mNdTw4f.png
08:17 AM weenerdog: its a cylon!
08:17 AM weenerdog: kill it with fire!
08:18 AM pink_vampire: right now https://i.imgur.com/JG5O2yx.png
08:19 AM weenerdog: noice
08:20 AM pink_vampire: i need to dig out all the pilot devices wiring
08:20 AM pink_vampire: and only then it i will be able to replace the wire ducts
08:21 AM Deejay: laser eyes
08:21 AM pink_vampire: lol
08:28 AM Loetmichel: weenerdog: hey... there are friendly cylons!
08:32 AM weenerdog: no i'm talking the old battlestar galactica. where every episode, starbuck and apollo get stranded at a whorehouse on some planet when starbuck loses their vipers gambling, they have to steal them back, then defend the ladies from cylon doom the last 15 minutes. not that stupid reboot 'gray's anatomy in space'
08:32 AM weenerdog: the good old days where the cylons looked like '57 chevys
08:39 AM Loetmichel: gnhihi... just made a picture on the back parking lot of the company... guess which is my car (Production manager) and what the workers drive here... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=17307&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
08:47 AM sensille: none?
08:48 AM weenerdog: i cant get your website, Loetmichel
08:48 AM Loetmichel: works fine here. maybe try again
08:49 AM Loetmichel: its sometimes a bit unresponsive when there is heavy load
08:49 AM weenerdog: trying again
08:55 AM weenerdog: you guys keep your cars too clean
08:55 AM weenerdog: if i washed my truck, pieces would fall off
08:58 AM Loetmichel: weenerdog: it just rained ;)
08:58 AM weenerdog: ah lol
08:59 AM Loetmichel: point is that our youngest worker rolls onto the parking lot in a Phaeton while the Production manager of that company drives a 16 year old OPEL
08:59 AM Loetmichel: :-)
08:59 AM weenerdog: lol
09:00 AM weenerdog: i play the double bass for money. i can never own a cool car. ever :(
09:00 AM FinboySlick: Loetmichel: That's just a matter of experience. Wait 'till something breaks on that Phaeton, he'll wish he had an Opel.
09:02 AM Loetmichel: FinboySlick: doubt it. to be fair:he bought that Phaeton as a rollover car totalled. it was pretty much only a box of wrinkled sheet metal
09:02 AM Loetmichel: he just finished restoring it ,)
09:03 AM sensille: well earned i'd say
10:26 AM jdh: all those cars look the same to me. wtf is a phaeton anyway
10:34 AM jdh: a vw. 2200 sold in the .us 15 years ago. which would explain why I've never heard of them.
10:34 AM gregcnc: even so, it must have been ridiculous to repair that thing. Phaeton is top of the line VW, did poorly in the US
10:55 AM gloops: dutton phaeton? not VW, they were made in the UK
10:58 AM pink_vampire: all the wires thet need to be out - now out
10:58 AM pink_vampire: new wire duct cut to size
10:59 AM pink_vampire: and the assemble begin
11:00 AM gloops: excellent, good luck
11:03 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: it was. he showed me pictures of the restore
11:03 AM fragalot: 'sup
11:03 AM Loetmichel: all parts he had to buy new were ridiculously expensive
11:04 AM Loetmichel: a lot of the sheet metal he just bent back, welded where neccessary and used the "grinder and welder" filling method
11:04 AM gregcnc: gloops lol
11:05 AM gloops: those lightweight 'kit' cars are all the rage now you know
11:05 AM Loetmichel: from the looks of it: that car has less than a pound of putty/leveling compound on it.
11:05 AM gloops: mainly with bike engines now though
11:06 AM gregcnc: well I suppose if one really wants that car on a budget do they hold much value?
11:06 AM Loetmichel: yes
11:06 AM gregcnc: is inspection/registation difficult for a car like that in DE?
11:07 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: good job to keep it under a pound of putty by adding 7 pounds of metal :)
11:07 AM gloops: they hold their value so far as many blokes are willing to pay for a toy that give them a racing car ride
11:07 AM gregcnc: i mean assuming it was salvage title
11:07 AM gregcnc: gloops I'm talking ot loetmichel
11:07 AM gregcnc: noody has any idea what a dutton pheaton is
11:07 AM gloops: oh the vw phaeton
11:07 AM Loetmichel: 15 to twenty k used, with 300Mm on the odo
11:08 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: point was that metal cant fall off, putty can
11:08 AM fragalot: man its windy out
11:08 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: :-)
11:08 AM Loetmichel: that car passes the "magnet test" at every corner
11:08 AM gloops: https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14022119_1230662293661721_3858979844329872011_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=d2c5b35be4d48d056f5b0a9d4e35ed48&oe=5CDC4F20
11:09 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: there are no such things as a "salvage title" in germany
11:09 AM gloops: faster than anything youre likely to buy from a motor manufacturer - unless youre very rich
11:09 AM gregcnc: oh, so it's repairable until it isn't?
11:09 AM Loetmichel: the title for the car dosent change just because its a heap of wrinkled metal
11:09 AM fragalot: gregcnc: the state of the car & the title are unrelated
11:09 AM gregcnc: here they are connected
11:09 AM fragalot: a car can be fully wrecked & still have a valid title.. it just isn't allowed on the road
11:10 AM fragalot: for that there is a separate inspection document that needs to be renewed frequently
11:10 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: as long as you can salvage the 2 or 3 places that have the vin number on it you can make a total new car around that ;)
11:10 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: :D
11:10 AM Loetmichel: as far as the title is concerned of course, the road safety check ("TUEV") is a different beast!
11:12 AM Loetmichel: gloops: that dosent look like i would want to drive it.
11:13 AM Loetmichel: looks more like somethig for a suicidal person
11:13 AM fragalot: that description almost makes me want to open that facebook link
11:13 AM gloops: those are only the travel wheels, it looks a lot safer with proper tyres :)
11:14 AM Loetmichel: yeah, that was one concern
11:14 AM Loetmichel: also: i dont see any roll bar or do i need better glasses?
11:14 AM gregcnc: skiving https://youtu.be/wsglQFjTZ_c
11:14 AM Loetmichel: ah, i do need better glasses. there it is behind the seat
11:14 AM gloops: not my thing either, i dont have any urge to pass porches these days
11:15 AM Loetmichel: pass porches?
11:15 AM gloops: (and never did pass any porches when i did have the urge)
11:15 AM gloops: go past, as in blow off
11:15 AM fragalot: syyl: have you ever had it where one of the deckels at your work just refuses to home until you restart the machine? the axis' all move if you hold the buttons down, but it just doesn't home.
11:15 AM gregcnc: porsches maybe?
11:15 AM Loetmichel: ah, you mean "street races" and "burnouts" and stuff like that?
11:16 AM fragalot: porshe?
11:16 AM fragalot: :P
11:16 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: AH!
11:16 AM Loetmichel: now i get it ;)
11:16 AM fragalot: gregcnc: you mean the guys that are actually proud of 911? :)
11:17 AM gloops: porsche
11:17 AM Loetmichel: yeah, got that now ;)
11:17 AM fragalot: has anyone here ever done any backyard casting?
11:18 AM fragalot: gregcnc: also, that skiving machine is beautiful. :)
11:18 AM gloops: i started, then i got an explosive shower of aluminium
11:18 AM fragalot: gloops: i'm just wondering why they always remove the casting sand whilst it's still piping hot
11:19 AM pink_vampire: I need a mill to drill and tap 4 holes!
11:19 AM fragalot: is it to avoid damage to the sand, or just plain impatience
11:19 AM Loetmichel: if i ever have the urge to "pass porsches" i will buy an old rusty ford or opel or VW station wagon, punt in a nice and beefy engine and drivetrain, better tyres and some 6 point seatbelts... and go for it
11:19 AM gloops: i dont mind getting covered in oil, or sh&t or wet plaster, but not molten aluminium
11:19 AM gregcnc: i think they are in a hurry
11:20 AM Loetmichel: gloops: weakling ... its only ~800°C... dont be such a wimp. doesent even hurt that much, bee there know that feeling ;)
11:20 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: can you legally upgrade the engine in germany?
11:20 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: yes
11:20 AM fragalot: i'm not sure we can
11:20 AM Loetmichel: you have to take to the "tüv" afterwards ans have them check it and write a new title with the correct data
11:21 AM fragalot: makes sense
11:25 AM Loetmichel: an uncle of mine owned a "ford granada giha kombi" back in the days... total rustbucket (at least it looked like it from the outside)... and the engine from an '84 mustang in it with roots blower ;)
11:25 AM Loetmichel: THAT was a fun car ;)
11:27 AM Loetmichel: whats the american term for such cars? sleepers?
11:27 AM gloops: i liked the old granada and consul
11:29 AM fragalot: my most fun car was the trabant
11:29 AM fragalot: nobody could keep up with that thing
11:29 AM fragalot: mainly because they couldn't see where they were going
11:29 AM gloops: a lot of those street/custom cars have disappeared, regs are too keen
11:31 AM gloops: not a bad thing really when people were shoehorning a rover V8 into an escort and driving away, the brakes on an escort had suspect stopping power at 20mph if you had some heavy shopping in the back
11:31 AM CNC_Brian: Guy's. Got all the inputs wired on my mesa card, but can't get any of the outputs to do anything
11:31 AM CNC_Brian: They are differential 5V I think
11:32 AM CNC_Brian: Set is_output to 1 but nothing on the DVM
11:33 AM gloops: no seperate power supply for output array?
11:33 AM CNC_Brian: Cant see anything
11:34 AM CNC_Brian: Maybe I need to RTFM
11:38 AM rmu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyuUt1PKYX8
11:38 AM gloops: btw if you need to update to 2.8 again, repositories - other sources - master-rt, mark for install
11:39 AM fragalot: so i just heard a story from a friend that does home food delivery service type jobs
11:39 AM fragalot: and his boss decided the company should go green
11:39 AM fragalot: so they sold all of the 20 diesel vans they had & replaced them with some electric car (not sure which)
11:39 AM fragalot: that car has a range of 150km theorethical
11:39 AM fragalot: his route is 75km
11:40 AM fragalot: apparently in order to make the trip, he can't use the heat, can't use the radio, can't use A/C, and needs to use his wipers sparingly if it rains
11:40 AM fragalot: xD
11:40 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: seems the r5ange was a bit "optimistic" ;)
11:41 AM fragalot: yeah :D
11:41 AM fragalot: his boss has bought everyone gloves now
11:41 AM gregcnc: will be more fun as battery ages
11:41 AM fragalot: gregcnc: yeah :D
11:41 AM fragalot: you'd think a company would do trials before selling off their entire fleet
11:42 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: just buy a few more batteries and mount them instead of the passenger seat ;)
11:42 AM gregcnc: but it's green...
11:43 AM Loetmichel: gregcnc: it will still be green then
11:43 AM gregcnc: and not wasting energy on heat and AC is more greener
11:43 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: maybe they can mount a generator in the back too
11:43 AM Loetmichel: thats NOT green though ;)
11:43 AM fragalot: still a plug in electric :D
11:44 AM Loetmichel: a small 2kw diesel generator would be ideal ;)
11:44 AM fragalot: at a minimum
11:44 AM Loetmichel: without any EPA exhaust ;)
11:44 AM Loetmichel: if he just needs to extend his range A BIT that should be sufficient
11:45 AM Loetmichel: for continous drive you need about 15 to 20kW, depending on car size
11:45 AM fragalot: its a van
11:45 AM fragalot: so 20kW
11:45 AM fragalot: I mean, cars USED to get by with only 2hp, but...... :D
11:46 AM TekniQue: 17:37 < fragalot> apparently in order to make the trip, he can't use the heat, can't use the radio, can't use A/C, and needs to use his wipers sparingly if it rains
11:46 AM TekniQue: lol
11:47 AM fragalot: TekniQue: also, don't drive in the dark :D
11:50 AM TekniQue: haha
11:50 AM TekniQue: people here are going crazy about electric cars
11:50 AM TekniQue: it's silly
11:51 AM TekniQue: you pay 7000 euros more for an electric car than a similar sized car with engine
11:51 AM TekniQue: despite the electric car having no taxes
11:51 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: 15 to 20W is the average "rule of thumb" power used by a regular car in the european "city/rural roads/highways" mix
11:51 AM TekniQue: 7000 euros buys a lot of fuel
11:51 AM Loetmichel: +k
11:51 AM fragalot: TekniQue: and in the case of peugot, you pay about the same in battery rent than you would fuel
11:51 AM TekniQue: it's not like the electricity to charge the car is free
11:52 AM TekniQue: and 2/3 of the price of petrol is taxes
11:52 AM Loetmichel: TekniQue: if its a tesla the electricity IS free
11:52 AM TekniQue: so when the government finally starts taxing electric cars as they will have to because the roads can't be maintained for free
11:53 AM TekniQue: then it's a lose lose situation
11:53 AM Loetmichel: as far as i know the supercharger network is cost free usage
11:53 AM TekniQue: more expensive cars that are less capable
11:53 AM TekniQue: yeah but it can't remain like that forever
11:53 AM TekniQue: it's not economical
11:53 AM TekniQue: Tesla is so far from making a profit though
11:54 AM TekniQue: giving away electricity is not their biggest loss
11:54 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: you mean the 70k+ tesla car one?
11:54 AM Loetmichel: fragalot: IIRC the superchargers also work with the 30k model 3 ;)
11:56 AM fragalot: Loetmichel: I checked, that model is not available here
11:56 AM Loetmichel: will take a bit
11:56 AM Loetmichel: they still dont have the factory producing at expected rates
11:56 AM Loetmichel: as far as i know
11:56 AM Loetmichel: <- would never buy a car for more than 10k, i only buy used cars
11:57 AM TekniQue: ah the joys of having cars that at 5-10 years old still get the same mileage as they did when they were new
11:58 AM TekniQue: or even at 20 years old
11:58 AM TekniQue: still works just like it was new
11:59 AM TekniQue: that's obviously not the case with batteries
11:59 AM TekniQue: electric motors are so good
12:00 PM TekniQue: but batteries are so bad
12:01 PM Loetmichel: TekniQue: i would like to take my OPEL Omega, rip the diesel out, put in a 200kW tesla drive module instad of the rear diff, then put in some batteries for about 50km range and a 20kw petrol generator in the front where the engine was
12:02 PM Loetmichel: would work like a charm... but sadly thats nothign the german road legal test would let pass
12:16 PM SpeedEvil: why petrol, not turbodiesel?
12:17 PM fragalot: better for on/off control
12:17 PM fragalot: the engine they put in my car is a larger size atmospheric petrol engine for that reason
12:40 PM jthornton: anyone running 2.7 have a moment to run a sim and test something for me?
12:41 PM pink_vampire: let me see on my machine
12:43 PM pink_vampire: I'm running 3.4-9-rtai i686-pae, Debian 4.3.55-4
12:43 PM jthornton: can you run sim.axis random_tc
12:43 PM jthornton: and open the tool table editor
12:44 PM pink_vampire: it can damage the current configuration?
12:45 PM jthornton: no, you would have to shut down what your running now it's just a simulation
12:46 PM pink_vampire: ok, fine
12:46 PM pink_vampire: what to do?
12:46 PM jthornton: in the cnc menu pick LinuxCNC
12:47 PM pink_vampire: ok
12:47 PM jthornton: then pick sim.axis random_tc
12:47 PM jthornton: then file edit tool table
12:48 PM miss0r2: mill mill milling away... I'm starting to get tired here
12:48 PM pink_vampire: it ask me if i want to copy a configuration file
12:49 PM pink_vampire: jthornton: ^
12:49 PM fragalot: miss0r2: whatever you do, do not not do the thing!
12:49 PM miss0r2: double negative :P
12:49 PM fragalot: unless if said thing shouldn't be done
12:49 PM miss0r2: not that tired yet
12:50 PM miss0r2: fragalot: situation so far: https://imgur.com/a/tjk3nIO
12:50 PM jthornton: yea it makes you copy the configuration file
12:51 PM jthornton: you can just delete it after
12:51 PM pink_vampire: but it is not going to effect my current configuration?
12:51 PM pink_vampire: ?
12:51 PM fragalot: miss0r2: I feel like you're cheating by using those truss elements
12:51 PM miss0r2: :D
12:51 PM miss0r2: Just there for scale...
12:52 PM miss0r2: Another bit of code is transferred to the mill. bbiab
12:52 PM fragalot: I'm still not convinced about the amount of wheels
12:52 PM jthornton: no it will create a directory in configs named sim.axis
12:52 PM pink_vampire: ok
12:52 PM pink_vampire: i did
12:53 PM jthornton: did the tool table editor work?
12:53 PM pink_vampire: how do i find out?
12:53 PM jthornton: File Edit Tool Table
12:54 PM pink_vampire: it give me en error
12:55 PM jthornton: ok can you paste.ubuntu.com the error?
12:55 PM pink_vampire: there is no "tool table" under file > edit
12:55 PM jthornton: not File > Edit but down lower should be File > Edit Tool Table
12:56 PM pink_vampire: ok
12:56 PM pink_vampire: i see
12:59 PM pink_vampire: ok, i'm getting
01:00 PM pink_vampire: xterm: Can't execvp vim: No such file or directory
01:01 PM pink_vampire: jthornton: ^
01:01 PM jthornton: ok thanks for testing
01:01 PM miss0r2: fragalot: I started the mill up at 03:00 this morning. Starting to feel it now
01:01 PM fragalot: ouch
01:01 PM miss0r2: I think I'll go inside after this workpiece is done, and get a few hours, before I get back at it
01:01 PM pink_vampire: jthornton: no problem :-)
01:01 PM miss0r2: Perhaps start back up at round midnight. Then I should make it in time :D
01:01 PM miss0r2: yeah.. coffee this morning wasn't a tough sale
01:02 PM fragalot: miss0r2: shame you can't drip feed your mill :P
01:02 PM miss0r2: well, all day I've been buse deburring/assembling while the code transferred/the mill ran
01:02 PM miss0r2: so it all worked out
01:02 PM miss0r2: but sure.. dripfeed would be nice :)
01:03 PM fragalot: :-)
01:03 PM miss0r2: I got a phone call earlier: "By the way, can you also add support for "insert strange camera mounting brand name here""
01:03 PM miss0r2: :] good thing he is paying by the hour
01:04 PM miss0r2: If I was working this as a quote, I would tell him to go fuck his hat :)
01:04 PM fragalot: arca?
01:05 PM miss0r2: I can't remember the name, he send a currier to drop it off
01:05 PM miss0r2: I can take a photo if you want to see?
01:05 PM fragalot: if it's not confidential, sure
01:06 PM miss0r2: it isn't
01:06 PM miss0r2: if it is, its on him, I did not sign a non disclosure form
01:07 PM miss0r2: Another bit of code is ready.. on this part I need to baby the cnc while it is running...
01:07 PM miss0r2: https://imgur.com/a/O726cK1
01:07 PM miss0r2: bbiab
01:07 PM fragalot: yea that is obscure :D
01:09 PM gloops: looks like someones after some footage of the elusive Lesser Spotted Buttpecker
01:17 PM pink_vampire: miss0r2: did you machine that?
01:30 PM gloops: its long been at the back of my mind that id like to make spoked wooden wheels
01:31 PM fragalot: gloops: check out engels coach shop on YT
01:31 PM gloops: does he use cnc?
01:32 PM fragalot: no, all oldschool
01:32 PM fragalot: beautiful work though
01:32 PM gloops: i know how to make them traditionally, and ive seen some archaic mechanised methods - far too time consuming
01:32 PM gloops: for the modern age
01:33 PM miss0r2: pink_vampire: Not the last photo, no
01:33 PM gloops: yes very nice things indeed - engels
01:33 PM miss0r2: Move the clamps, then do the outer contour - this part done.
01:34 PM fragalot: miss0r2: make sure to fully unclamp it before moving them
01:37 PM miss0r2: fragalot: but ofcourse.. how else would you remove unwanted stresses in the material?
01:37 PM fragalot: miss0r2: :D
01:37 PM miss0r2: See, what I like to do is remove the clamps, and give it a gentle beating with a hammer to make sure it is completely destressed. THEN and only then will I reclamp it
01:38 PM fragalot: no heat treat?
01:39 PM miss0r2: by 'gentle beating' I mean beat till it is glowing hot :)
01:39 PM fragalot: ah right :-)
01:39 PM miss0r2: THE WORK PIECE, YOU DIRTYMINDED BASTARD
01:39 PM miss0r2: I need some sleep soon :]
01:43 PM * SpeedEvil puts on some Shaper footage.
01:45 PM miss0r2: porn, eh?
01:47 PM miss0r2: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
01:47 PM miss0r2: exceeded the y-limit while doing the contour... This means I have to relocate the workpiece before completing the cutout...
01:57 PM fragalot: miss0r2: and you'll never be able to do that down to where you can't tell afterwards :(
02:03 PM miss0r2: well, I got it close enough so that I can see the stepover, but I can't feel it.
02:03 PM fragalot: good, now give the parts a stone wash finish :D
02:03 PM miss0r2: and it doesn't matter anyway, I still have a cleanup contour to run afterwards. so it will be history
02:04 PM miss0r2: i'll hit it all with some 400grit.
02:04 PM miss0r2: It has to get anodized tomorrow morning
02:04 PM fragalot: lol, this really is a rush project isn't it
02:04 PM miss0r2: no kidding :D
02:05 PM miss0r2: I was asked about it last friday afternoon
02:05 PM miss0r2: and being the optimist, I said yes
02:05 PM fragalot: xD
02:06 PM miss0r2: so this time its not MY fault i'm in a damn hurry :] Just wanted to make that clear
02:06 PM Loetmichel: thats no rush job
02:06 PM Loetmichel: thats plenty of time in my book
02:06 PM miss0r2: :]
02:06 PM miss0r2: have you seen the amount of work that needs to get done with this, Loetmichel?
02:07 PM miss0r2: my problem is being only one guy, with one CNC machine :)
02:07 PM fragalot: and having to outsource the anodising
02:07 PM fragalot: which eats not hours, but DAYS :Dµ
02:08 PM Loetmichel: miss0r2: regardless of amount of work, over here its more like "take the (already to small) time estimation of Loetmichel, divide it by 2, substract 2 days, round to the nearest friday before that, tell the customer "no problem, wil be ready for shipping at [calculated date]
02:08 PM Loetmichel: EVERY job boss gives me...
02:08 PM fragalot: lol
02:08 PM miss0r2: haha
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02:09 PM fragalot: maybe you should stop giving him estimates long enough to do that math on
02:11 PM Loetmichel: or maybe i simply told him last week that i will NOT do new projects until all my old holidays from last year are used up
02:12 PM Loetmichel: i am just finishin up a bit of old stuff, then i will be gone for 26 workdays
02:12 PM Loetmichel: maybe starting the week after next week or so
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02:13 PM miss0r2: if I gave my boss an ultimatum like that, he would kick my ass :-/
02:13 PM fragalot: you'd shit yourself even thinking about that
02:13 PM miss0r2: yeah
02:14 PM miss0r2: hes a real tough guy, you know ? :D
02:14 PM Loetmichel: miss0r2: he has no chance to object. i am already lentinent waiting till all old projects are gone
02:14 PM fragalot: miss0r2: on the outside maybe, but we all know he's just a big softie
02:14 PM miss0r2: hehe
02:15 PM Loetmichel: law in germany is: the boss HAS to grand all the old holidays of last year until march 31. he cant postpone
02:15 PM Loetmichel: grant
02:15 PM miss0r2: nice
02:15 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: miss0r's employer his trick is to not give his employees any holidays to begin with
02:16 PM miss0r2: Indeed
02:16 PM fragalot: and holidays that he does get is for working
02:16 PM miss0r2: I held two weeks last year :]
02:16 PM Loetmichel: fragalot: i already have only 1 day more than minimum
02:16 PM Loetmichel: law defines 2 days of paid holidays per month in germany.
02:17 PM Loetmichel: so 24 (workdays) a year is the minimum you can have in ANY hire contract in germany
02:17 PM miss0r2: thats my problem; I don't have a contract
02:18 PM fragalot: :P
02:18 PM Loetmichel: miss0r2: vocal contract is still a contract
02:18 PM Loetmichel: or are you employer and empolyee in one person?
02:18 PM fragalot: That took a while
02:18 PM miss0r2: yeah hehe
02:19 PM * miss0r2 wishes for a 24k rpm sindle @ 5kw
02:19 PM miss0r2: to mount on the old mill. That would do wonders!
02:20 PM fragalot: i'm currently shopping for 40kW dual spindle dual tool turret lathes
02:20 PM fragalot: >.>
02:20 PM miss0r2: yeah... just have the drop if off here.
02:20 PM miss0r2: :)
02:20 PM miss0r2: then I can move my shop into it
02:20 PM fragalot: haha
02:20 PM Loetmichel: miss0r2: fun fact: depending on how your company is structured it would still under the employees laws in germany and you would HAVE to grant yourself that 24 holidays ;)
02:20 PM fragalot: Loetmichel: thing is, he's not in germany
02:20 PM Loetmichel: i knoq
02:21 PM Loetmichel: w
02:21 PM Loetmichel: i meant If he were
02:21 PM miss0r2: Loetmichel: hehe yeah, I don't want that much vacation. I'd have to spend it with the wife & kids... Now THATs hard work
02:22 PM * fragalot texts miss0r2's wife he said that
02:22 PM miss0r2: I was just about to tell you not to do that :D
02:22 PM miss0r2: speaking of vacation. Have you given any further thought to visiting Denmark, fragalot?
02:23 PM fragalot: y'know what, i've got 2 weeks in summer
02:23 PM fragalot: and it's supposed to get horrendously hot here during that time due to drought
02:23 PM miss0r2: visit denmark - the place to catch a cold year 'round
02:24 PM fragalot: went to iceland last year to escape the heat
02:24 PM fragalot: kinda worked
02:24 PM miss0r2: that place is not nearly as icy in the summer as the name would have you think :)
02:24 PM miss0r2: I was there in winter - it was pretty cold
02:24 PM fragalot: yeah, -3°C at night, 22°C during the day, was lovely
02:25 PM fragalot: s/-3/3/
02:25 PM miss0r2: Sounds nice
02:25 PM miss0r2: if you visit Denmark, I'll throw a BBQ.
02:25 PM fragalot: deal
02:25 PM miss0r2: you know - veggie steaks & salat. the works
02:25 PM miss0r2: :
02:26 PM fragalot: is the salad decorative?
02:26 PM pink_vampire: -2° -12° C here
02:26 PM fragalot: right apparently I like steak so much I didn't even notice the veggie part >.
02:26 PM fragalot: >.>
02:26 PM miss0r2: fragalot: its to keep the wife occupied while we drink beer.. so it *DOES* have a purpose other than decoration
02:26 PM miss0r2: lol
02:26 PM fragalot: haha
02:26 PM fragalot: any suggestions other than the bbq?
02:27 PM miss0r2: I'm thinking ribs
02:27 PM fragalot: only if they're marinaded
02:27 PM miss0r2: absolutly
02:27 PM miss0r2: hmm... depends what you want
02:28 PM miss0r2: A shop tour, naturaly. :)
02:28 PM fragalot: dunno, don't know how we'll travel yet.. if we'll just hop in the car & go, or maybe rent a campervan or whatever
02:28 PM miss0r2: Indeed. lots'n lots of beautiful nature here in northern sealand
02:28 PM Loetmichel: miss0r2/ fragalot: the german customs office does "construction site raids" occasionally here. looking for illegal immigrants working without permit as well as stuff like that
02:28 PM miss0r2: we have that as well :)
02:28 PM fragalot: I wouldn't mind seeing the suomenlinna fortress
02:29 PM fragalot: and the vasa museum
02:29 PM miss0r2: They never find anything as they love dougnuts more than the treadmill.. and those immigrants, they work hard for a living
02:29 PM Loetmichel: they are known to fine self employed construction workers for worktime/holiday/PSE violations.
02:29 PM * miss0r2 slaps fragalot
02:29 PM fragalot: maybe see sognefjord
02:29 PM Loetmichel: and not every now and then but pretty regulary
02:29 PM miss0r2: you'll need to drive a bit further :)
02:29 PM fragalot: :D
02:30 PM miss0r2: fragalot: ofcourse you'll need to spend a few days in copenhagen
02:30 PM miss0r2: then get the hell out'a there before you go bankrubbed.
02:30 PM fragalot: miss0r2: haha, was going to say I thought most capitals were to be avoided at all costs
02:31 PM miss0r2: I like it in there, in small doses.
02:31 PM Loetmichel: miss0r2: german customs officers are basically german police officers (same training) with a different tag on the uniform
02:31 PM Loetmichel: donuts will simply not happen there
02:32 PM Loetmichel: if youi try that you will probably get a fine for trying to bribe them
02:32 PM syyl: customs offices here are usualy black/white, slow and sad.
02:32 PM Loetmichel: syyl: not the ones that do the constuction site raids. that are proper "swat" types
02:32 PM fragalot: #practitioner_of_the_mechanical_arts <-- christ that's a mouthfull
02:32 PM syyl: lol
02:33 PM syyl: what idiot would use that tag
02:33 PM fragalot: probably some german
02:33 PM fragalot: they're good at that :D
02:33 PM gloops: we dont have many cops here nowadays, or any other form of official
02:33 PM gloops: its basically every man for himself in the uk
02:36 PM syyl: i have to keep my 1-video-per-month ratio up, fragalot
02:36 PM syyl: :D
02:36 PM fragalot: syyl: glad you do :-)
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02:37 PM syyl: and i am not going to do 5 part series on restoring rusted c-clamps
02:37 PM fragalot: lol
02:37 PM miss0r2: haha
02:37 PM miss0r2: enough restoration videos out there as of late
02:37 PM syyl: yes
02:38 PM syyl: i have no interest in them
02:38 PM fragalot: "restoration'
02:38 PM syyl: knocking rust off
02:38 PM SpeedEvil: electrolysis vs evaporust vs needle-scaler vs sandblaster vs moisturising body lotion.
02:38 PM gloops: or coca-cola
02:38 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: no, that's project farm
02:38 PM SpeedEvil: yeah - the last oneis
02:39 PM miss0r2: now now.. they are not all bad. I've seen a few from this channel called mymechanics. That guy REALY restores stuff...
02:39 PM miss0r2: well, he did some questionable welding on some cast iron.. but other than that
02:40 PM SpeedEvil: PF at least somewhat tries to do replicatable experiments, evenifthey are not ideal.
02:40 PM SpeedEvil: I mean - yes - a lot of thethings are clickbaity nonsense.
02:40 PM miss0r2: syyl: forget 5 episodes about rust removal. do a live stream of the entire process :]
02:40 PM fragalot: SpeedEvil: he does a good job for what he does
02:40 PM fragalot: imho
02:41 PM miss0r2: no cutting to the next day to see the result :D
02:41 PM gloops: im going to video my next cast iron weld, as the last one went so great - have cracked a machine casting just in time
02:41 PM SpeedEvil: What process? Nickel?
02:42 PM gloops: 'dont throw your beloved but cracked lathe away until youve seen this!'
02:42 PM gloops: SpeedEvil yes heat and nickel
02:43 PM gloops: i made a bed of barbecue charcoal, got it hot, warmed up the casting, welded, left it on the fire until went out - good as, no better, than new
02:48 PM miss0r2: I need a fogbuster. I am covered in alu chips from clearing pockets with the air gun... my coolant pump symply is not up to the task
02:48 PM Tom_L: gloops what did you install linuxcnc 2.8 on?
02:48 PM gloops: on wheezy Tom_L as an upgrade to 2.7
02:48 PM fragalot: miss0r2: avoid the €2 chinese ones, they blow the chips away well, but the liquid is hard to control & creates a fine mist that will make you hate yourself
02:49 PM Tom_L: what deb did you point it at?
02:49 PM Tom_L: i'm working on setting up a ssd for 2.8 with wheezy
02:49 PM miss0r2: fragalot: Which is why I said "fogbuster" not chinesium mist coolant :D
02:49 PM gloops: master-rt on wheezy
02:49 PM fragalot: miss0r2: :D
02:49 PM Tom_L: is that rtai?
02:49 PM gloops: yes
02:49 PM Tom_L: ok
02:49 PM Tom_L: thanks
02:50 PM gloops: not tried any of the alternatives
02:50 PM Tom_L: you had a working 2.7 when you did it right?
02:50 PM gloops: yeah id just installed 2.7 clean
02:50 PM Tom_L: i just didn't wanna mess up my working drive so i got a spare to try
02:51 PM Tom_L: i'll copy my configs over and try it before i move to 2.8
02:51 PM Tom_L: for some reason i couldn't get my 2.7 to update to 2.7.14
02:51 PM gloops: you have to add the buildbot repository - upgrading will upgrade all your old configs
02:52 PM Tom_L: ok i'll mess with it later on
02:53 PM fragalot: syyl: I love the little details that i've never thought of.. eccentric bushing. so obvious & much better than my standard approach of using the 180° stops >.>
02:53 PM syyl: i was looking at the commercial ones
02:53 PM syyl: and
02:53 PM syyl: it struck me like a lightning :D
02:53 PM syyl: "oh, they are ground excentric, dummy"
02:54 PM fragalot: yea..
02:54 PM fragalot: shame you sped up the video, i wanted to see how well your grinder holds up to grinding an area that big in one go
02:55 PM fragalot: mine stalls out pretty quickly
02:55 PM syyl: just feed in slow enough not to stall it ;)
02:55 PM syyl: and dress the diamond wheel nice and open
02:55 PM fragalot: how DO you dress the diamond wheels?
02:55 PM syyl: weeeeell
02:56 PM syyl: there are multiple ways, haha
02:56 PM fragalot: let me rephrase that
02:56 PM syyl: and its not just "dressing"
02:56 PM fragalot: how do YOU dress the diamond wheels?
02:56 PM fragalot: and please don't say "with the other grinder"
02:56 PM syyl: thats the best solution
02:56 PM syyl: cylindrical grind them with a SiC wheel
02:56 PM fragalot: it is, but alas not available to me :D
02:56 PM syyl: but thats a mess
02:56 PM syyl: ok most basic thing
02:57 PM syyl: get a sharpening stone for diamond wheels
02:57 PM syyl: they look like a white benchstone
02:57 PM syyl: and you jam it into the running wheel, just by hand
02:57 PM syyl: it dresses back the resin binder and exposes the diamond
02:57 PM syyl: makes the wheel nice and sharp, free cutting
02:58 PM fragalot: interesting, didn't know those existed
02:58 PM syyl: i should do a video...
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02:58 PM fragalot: please do :D
02:58 PM syyl: and then there is reshaping the wheel
02:58 PM syyl: when you have a huuuge corner radius on a cup wheel
02:59 PM syyl: or a gouge in the face of a wheel
02:59 PM fragalot: mine don't have that /yet/
02:59 PM syyl: that can be done by grinding/dressing with a piece of either soft steel or molybdenium
03:00 PM syyl: that breaks the diamond out of the binder
03:00 PM syyl: then you dress back the resin again
03:00 PM syyl: and do the molybdenium/steel again
03:00 PM fragalot: freaking amazon
03:00 PM fragalot: This item does not ship to Belgium. Please check other sellers who may ship internationally.
03:00 PM fragalot: THEN WHY DO YOU SHOW IT
03:01 PM syyl: and you do that alternating until you are happy with the shape of the wheel
03:01 PM fragalot: syyl: superb, and obvious once you think about it
03:01 PM fragalot: carbon steel trumps diamond, and that dresser trumps the resin bond
03:01 PM syyl: yep
03:02 PM fragalot: any sources for those white sticks other than hoffman?
03:02 PM syyl: hoffmann :D
03:02 PM syyl: or ebay
03:02 PM syyl: i ordered my last ones of ebay
03:03 PM syyl: or just smash an old benchgrinder wheel
03:03 PM fragalot: ebay + search term diamond dresser == cheapie diamond dressers
03:03 PM syyl: even that kinda works
03:03 PM fragalot: oh is it literally just a grinding stone
03:03 PM syyl: yes
03:03 PM fragalot: i've got BOXES of that then
03:03 PM syyl: :)
03:03 PM fragalot: well not boxes, but drawers
03:03 PM fragalot: :D
03:04 PM miss0r2: fragalot: there. https://imgur.com/uAV1TEu
03:04 PM syyl: isnt a drawer some kind of a box?
03:04 PM fragalot: >.>
03:04 PM fragalot: miss0r2: that hand hold.. ha :D
03:05 PM miss0r2: hehe
03:05 PM fragalot: so are you going to put steel thread inserts in this, or does it not need taking apart frequently
03:06 PM miss0r2: now... where did I go wrong; the holes between the top plate and the members it is resessed into does not line up perfectly...
03:06 PM miss0r2: yes. hardened stainless "coild"
03:06 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bridgeport-Milling-Machine/352610581545?
03:06 PM miss0r2: but, because I am not a complete idiot, I will waith installing those till after I get it anodized :)
03:06 PM fragalot: xD
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nophone-usa/the-new-and-unimproved-nophone
03:07 PM fragalot: syyl: this is what I used to grind my boring bars out of. https://www.borenexpress.nl/p-ponsnippels
03:07 PM miss0r2: fuckall in a snowstorm!
03:07 PM syyl: ponsnippels!
03:07 PM fragalot: works great as long as you don't need anything fancier than HSS
03:07 PM miss0r2: I forgot I moved them on the members to clear the dovetail
03:07 PM syyl: ah, punches
03:08 PM fragalot: buy 'm by the bucket :D
03:08 PM miss0r2: I guess I will make some "ajustable slotted holes for comfort"
03:08 PM fragalot: miss0r2: you mean you made them adjustable with slots?
03:08 PM fragalot: win.
03:08 PM miss0r2: :D
03:10 PM miss0r2: anyway. I'll get a few hours sleep and be back by midnight.. perhaps 01:00.. :) see you around
03:10 PM fragalot: gnite :-)
03:11 PM Tom_L: all good projects start then
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03:20 PM fragalot: syyl: also, i'm jealous yours swings past 90°, mine can only do that in one direction when pulling the pin, so I can't grind the front end like you did
03:20 PM fragalot: syyl: does it do that from factory or did you modify it?
03:21 PM syyl: thats stock
03:21 PM fragalot: hmph :P
03:21 PM syyl: but you can spin the dividing head spindle 180°
03:21 PM syyl: and grind at 80...90°
03:21 PM fragalot: yea, that's what I do now
03:21 PM fragalot: works for single point tools, but for some of the more complex shapes it can get interesting
04:36 PM Deejay: gn8
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05:56 PM MarcelineVQ: fun little thunderstorms here, odd time of year for it
06:01 PM roycroft: any time of year is an odd time for thunderstorms here
06:01 PM roycroft: yet we have thunderstorms in the forecast this weekend
06:02 PM roycroft: the only positive about that is that the rain might wash away the rest of the snow
06:02 PM roycroft: which has been on the ground for over a week now
06:02 PM roycroft: i've lived here for over 25 years and never once has snow remained on the ground anywhere near this long
06:02 PM roycroft: until now
06:03 PM roycroft: it's a strange weather month here, for certain
06:18 PM miss0r2: back at it *sigh*
06:19 PM miss0r2: goodmorning
07:08 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, you go girl
07:08 PM _unreal_: err dude
07:08 PM _unreal_: person
07:08 PM _unreal_: who are you?
07:10 PM miss0r2: I'd make for a sad girl... hehe
07:11 PM miss0r2: This nick is 20+ years old and has a complete seprate meaning in Danish :)
07:11 PM miss0r2: disregard the 'miss' part :D
07:12 PM Tom_L: so what's the meaning?
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: we finally go back above freezing tomorrow!
07:14 PM miss0r2: Tom_L: This nick has stuck with me since I played counter strike :) Back then I was called 'Garfield_', Garfield is a cat. misser/miss0r (yeah...) is the danish word for 'kiddie cat'
07:14 PM Tom_L: gocha
07:15 PM miss0r2: althought people in #electronics have, on occasion, thought that it translated to miss. zero resistance :)
07:15 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, same
07:15 PM _unreal_: nic that is
07:15 PM _unreal_: you
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: LOL google translate English to Danish kitty cat = kitty kat
07:15 PM _unreal_: you'll never get where I got this nic from
07:16 PM Tom_L: i've learned irc is a worldwide thing and lots of things get lost in translation
07:16 PM miss0r2: I just let people believe what they want - most of the time it is easier to get help in #electronics if they think you are a living breathing female human
07:16 PM miss0r2: _unreal_: I suspect it is also game related :)
07:16 PM _unreal_: Tom_L, alcohol always states the same :)
07:16 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, damn you
07:16 PM miss0r2: hehe
07:17 PM _unreal_: I still have the CD from the guy who game me a copy of unreal
07:18 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, better yet I conned a guy into buying me a voodoo2 12meg in exchange for what ever he wanted from my arsenal of WAREZ back in the day and he went for it.
07:18 PM _unreal_: though I did give him what ever he wanted from me
07:18 PM miss0r2: now that *IS* unreal :D
07:18 PM _unreal_: :) its a true story to
07:18 PM _unreal_: the guy went by the name 2cas
07:19 PM _unreal_: I forget what warez he got off of me but I remember it was a lot
07:19 PM _unreal_: like 3gigs if memory serves VIA dialup :)
07:19 PM _unreal_: ISO's
07:20 PM _unreal_: the good old days
07:20 PM _unreal_: :)
07:20 PM Wolf__: the days of month long downloads
07:20 PM _unreal_: month?
07:20 PM miss0r2: I miss aspects of those days :)
07:21 PM Wolf__: i went from 9600 to cable internet…
07:21 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, I am so glad I saved a lot of sh#iT. from those days
07:21 PM _unreal_: its all gone now
07:21 PM miss0r2: I still have a few memory folders
07:21 PM _unreal_: once on the internet there for ever BS
07:21 PM miss0r2: that have migrated from server to server, and is not resting in my NAS.
07:22 PM miss0r2: anyway. I'm on a realy tight schedule here, so I'll be running back and from the cnc..
07:22 PM _unreal_: miss0r2, one sec let me show you my latest photos
07:22 PM _unreal_: My cnc machine controller YOU WILL LIKE
07:23 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=12w7mdaLZfg6YlgMkCSs9n7jdiRA-Ypnb
07:24 PM _unreal_: battery backup as well
07:24 PM _unreal_: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N8AzYIelYXP093KozrFK0a6t38QBQ_a4
07:24 PM miss0r2: cute
07:24 PM miss0r2: this is mine: https://imgur.com/CfNMGo0
07:24 PM miss0r2: also hime brew'n
07:25 PM Wolf__: you people and your fancy boxes
07:28 PM miss0r2: Wolf__: I used to do cable porn for a living :) https://imgur.com/a/06g5CpD here are a few others I am proud to call my own
07:29 PM Wolf__: nice
07:32 PM miss0r2: I used to build industrial controllers for a living. now I'm a selfemployed machinist/machine repair man
07:35 PM Wolf__: I build ugly messes https://i.imgur.com/s8UIGWy.jpg
07:35 PM Wolf__: =D
07:35 PM miss0r2: woah :D
07:36 PM miss0r2: could use a little tidy up :D
07:36 PM miss0r2: but functional, i bet?
07:39 PM Wolf__: some stuff in there is temp, but I’m planning on boxing it up in the end of the frame with aluminum composite panel
07:40 PM miss0r2: fuck... i just had a 6mm endmill break because of chipwelding... I cannot afford any delays!
07:43 PM Wolf__: thats a pain in the ass
07:46 PM miss0r2: bah. damn near wrecked the toolholder in the process... now where to touch off on this rough stock, with only a round hole in the middle :D
07:46 PM miss0r2: (everything moved, yes)
07:56 PM miss0r2: phew. I managed to pick it up within a few 1/100 mm
07:56 PM miss0r2: nothing the cleanup pass can't handle. it will remove 1/10mm
07:57 PM Wolf__: yay
08:07 PM Elmo40: Wolf__, yeah... that is an ugly mess
08:07 PM Elmo40: looks a lot like my 'office'
08:07 PM Elmo40: ;-)
08:08 PM Wolf__: lol
08:15 PM miss0r2: if I started to make a mess my boss-man would kill me
08:17 PM miss0r2: bah... 50kb g-code. This is pushing the limit of my 1985 deckel maho
08:24 PM Wolf__: sounds like that thing needs a 3.5” floppy drive upgrade
08:30 PM miss0r2: it can't handle that :)
08:31 PM miss0r2: its born with a punch strip reader.
08:31 PM miss0r2: I just emulate that from the PC :D
08:31 PM Wolf__: lol
08:32 PM Wolf__: wonder if you could drip feed it some other way
08:32 PM skunkworks: https://youtu.be/i6rJsCKzUK0
08:38 PM Wolf__: thats pretty cool skunkworks
08:49 PM _unreal_: Wolf__, respect the box
08:51 PM _unreal_: wolf you build ugly mess
08:52 PM _unreal_: and good lord 1985 I was like 6 or 7
08:56 PM _unreal_: ?
08:59 PM Wolf__: lol, I just need it to work =D
08:59 PM Tom_L: good stuff skunkworks
09:01 PM skunkworks: stmbl is pretty amazing...
09:02 PM Elmo40: it is for servos?
09:03 PM Elmo40: 10k CW then CCW within 2.5seconds? Nice!
09:03 PM skunkworks: yes... and more.. nsort of a swiss army knife of drives
09:04 PM Elmo40: how is latency with serial interface?
09:04 PM skunkworks: Elmo40: that might be pushing it.
09:05 PM skunkworks: Elmo40: it is a realtime connection between the amp and linuxcnc..
09:06 PM skunkworks: so better than 1ms latency..
09:07 PM skunkworks: (it reads and writes data to the stmbl every ms)
09:10 PM Elmo40: list price for these things?
09:13 PM skunkworks: well.... they are open source drives but they are currently being redesigned because the irams are unavailable
09:24 PM Tom_L: can they be gotten assembled?
09:32 PM skunkworks: someone is usually getting them built.
09:32 PM skunkworks: but currently the irams are not available - so no one is making them
09:32 PM skunkworks: once they re-design to use current irams - people will probably start making them again
09:33 PM skunkworks: they are not that expensive to have done.. <$100 iirc
09:33 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: good read here from andy.. http://bodgesoc.blogspot.com/2018/05/STMBL.html
09:35 PM roycroft: hey folks
09:35 PM roycroft: i need a sanity check
09:36 PM roycroft: i should install a kill switch before a vfd, not on the output side of the vfd, to avoid damaging the vfd, correct?
09:40 PM skunkworks: that is how we have done it (before the vfd..) but you should check what the vfd mfg recomends..
09:40 PM pcw_home: Yes, switching the motor live is likely going to kill the VFD
09:41 PM Wolf__: vid should have a input (or be programmed) to e-stop if needed
09:41 PM Wolf__: s/vid/VFD
09:44 PM roycroft: thanks, that's what i thought
09:45 PM roycroft: i believe this is similar to the discussion i had with my boss last week
09:45 PM roycroft: his generator at home was not working - it would fire up and then shut itself down
09:45 PM roycroft: and he could not figure out why
09:45 PM roycroft: i told him to see if the transfer switch was working
09:46 PM roycroft: and he checked and said it was not
09:46 PM roycroft: the generator needed somewhere to dump its load and with the transfer switch not working it could not do so so it shut itself down
09:47 PM roycroft: he got the fried contacts replaced in the transfer switch and now it works
09:47 PM Wolf__: not quite how generators work, if its a smart transfer switch tho the controller sees that load didn’t transfer and figures whats the point of running if its not doing anything
09:48 PM roycroft: it's not a smart transfer switch in that it gives no feedback to the generator
09:49 PM Wolf__: not a automatic standby generator?
09:49 PM roycroft: it is an automatic transfer switch though in that it when the generator comes on it automatically switches
09:49 PM roycroft: but there are no control wires going back to the generator
09:49 PM roycroft: just the load wires
09:51 PM roycroft: but yeah, i see what you mean
09:51 PM Wolf__: weird, all my generators will run all day long w/out a load attached, they are happy to run all the gas they have to use for no reason lol
09:51 PM roycroft: the generator adjusts its speed to keep up with the load demand
09:51 PM roycroft: and throttles down when there is little demand
09:51 PM roycroft: it probably just shuts itself off when it slows down to a threshold speed
09:52 PM Wolf__: might have a controller in the gen set
09:52 PM roycroft: it sounds like i had the correct diagnosis for the wrong reason
09:53 PM roycroft: unfortunately he did not tell me about this until after power was restored to his house after a 6 day outage
09:53 PM Wolf__: lol =D
09:53 PM roycroft: although i doubt he could have gotten a repair person out there during the outage anyway
09:53 PM roycroft: since there were tens of thousands of people without power
09:54 PM Wolf__: mine is just a back feed breaker in my panel w/ a socket on the side of the house
09:54 PM roycroft: i used to have a setup like that
09:54 PM roycroft: but i finally got rid of it
09:54 PM roycroft: i have underground utilities, and a power outage >10 minutes about once every five years or so
09:55 PM roycroft: it's hardly worth keeping a generator setup for that
09:55 PM Wolf__: yeah, my house is on a main grid feed so, if the power is out, its something major lol
09:55 PM roycroft: so i ended up selling the (manual) transfer switch and generator
09:56 PM roycroft: i have a fireplace
09:56 PM roycroft: a bunch of aladdin lamps (the ones with mantles) and a 1927 victrola - the last year of the crank models
09:56 PM roycroft: so i have heat, lights, and music when the power is out
09:57 PM Wolf__: mine is even less high tech, its just a lockout slider plate that interlocks the main breaker w/ one of the top breakers inside my panel
09:57 PM roycroft: oh, i also have a propane grill so i can make food
09:59 PM Wolf__: doing my house up w/ propane tankless water heater, propane cooktop, and have a wood pellet stove for supplemental heat (house is getting mini split heatpump) so my gen load should be small if needed
10:01 PM Wolf__: at some point I’ll probably sell off my generators tho and just pick up a miller bobcat and use that for gen set if needed lol
10:02 PM miss0r2: My workday started 26 hours ago.. and I've had a two hour nap during that time... I'm beginning to feel it. But I have to get these parts out the door in one hour. Its tight
10:02 PM Wolf__: I hate days like that
10:03 PM miss0r2: yeah
10:04 PM miss0r2: for me that is one of the downsites of selfemployment.. noone to complaint to but myself :]
10:04 PM Wolf__: I’ve threatened to fire myself a few times
10:04 PM miss0r2: hehe yeah, me too
10:05 PM miss0r2: also, my boss is a cold hearted bastard who would rather drive me to my grave than give me a day off
10:06 PM miss0r2: as a selfemployed, I can tell you theres only one excuse to miss a workday, and that if you are attending your own funeral.. even then its only a half day
10:06 PM Wolf__: right now my business partner and I are semi scrambling over a work space issue
10:06 PM Wolf__: we get loads of days off, usually because someone somewhere fucked up getting up parts
10:06 PM miss0r2: hahaha I know the feeling. I work out of a 35m^2 garage
10:08 PM miss0r2: I still have a large part in the mill.... When that is done I need to debur it, chamfer it(by hand) thread it & sand it before I can get out'a here
10:08 PM miss0r2: and all of that within the hour
10:08 PM Wolf__: was just told that we are getting something like this (x3) https://vac-con.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Industrial.jpg that need to be swapped to new truck chassis
10:09 PM miss0r2: wow
10:09 PM miss0r2: that sounds like work for a long time :D
10:09 PM Wolf__: its 2’ (61cm) taller then our current shop space
10:09 PM miss0r2: pray for good weather? :D
10:10 PM Wolf__: that was the first image hit, I haven’t seen the actual trucks yet lol
10:10 PM miss0r2: I seem to recall you have something like a double garage you work out of?
10:11 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/TP9VELB.jpg
10:12 PM miss0r2: Perhaps I remember a picture of your former place?
10:12 PM miss0r2: that there seems big
10:12 PM Wolf__: 12m x 14m x 3m high
10:14 PM miss0r2: hmm... perhaps I am mixing you up with someone else :)
10:15 PM Wolf__: 15.25m x 18.26m x 5.5m wall building is the works, need to see what my local gov says about it tho
10:16 PM miss0r2: They have a tendency of throwing a wrench in the gears when it comes to new buildings
10:16 PM miss0r2: 'round here anyway
10:16 PM Wolf__: yeah, they seems to be funny about things when you want a mini warehouse in your back yard
10:17 PM Tom_L: tell em all it takes is a screwdriver
10:17 PM miss0r2: hehe yeah, whats that all about? :D
10:17 PM miss0r2: Tom_L. Realy depends on the gears :D
10:18 PM miss0r2: starting the last operation on the last part now.. :]
11:10 PM miss0r2: Thats it. off I go.
11:10 PM miss0r2: (to get the parts anodized)
11:10 PM miss0r2: see you around
11:10 PM Tom_L: buy bye