#linuxcnc Logs

Mar 02 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

12:07 AM XXCoder: wow
12:11 AM XXCoder: apparently theres easier way to anodize alum
12:11 AM XXCoder: https://hackaday.com/2019/02/28/anodize-aluminum-easily/
12:15 AM veek: Jymmm, how much is it?
12:15 AM XXCoder: 170 usd, shipped
12:16 AM veek: hmm.. wow 200$ for a lathe - heh
12:16 AM XXCoder: thats expenive compared with my lathe lol
12:16 AM XXCoder: 35 bucks
12:16 AM veek: XXCoder, wut! wth? link?
12:17 AM veek: oh watchmaker's lather?
12:17 AM XXCoder: its extruded base using drill motor and chuck lol
12:18 AM veek: ah heh
01:20 AM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
02:13 AM Deejay: moin
02:14 AM fragalot: hi
02:46 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: https://i.imgur.com/z6KTabC.png
02:47 AM XXCoder: andodize test?
02:48 AM XXCoder: color is pretty cool
02:49 AM pink_vampire: i did it 3 years ago
02:51 AM XXCoder: nice
03:33 AM XXCoder: new bad obession!
03:33 AM pink_vampire: ??
03:34 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: ??
03:34 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG1p336CZH0
03:36 AM XXCoder: they have been at it fir years now
03:36 AM XXCoder: getting closer now
03:37 AM pink_vampire: i need a bigger shop and to split
03:37 AM XXCoder: split?
03:37 AM pink_vampire: to have one more me
03:37 AM XXCoder: oh! lol
03:38 AM XXCoder: that'd be interesting adventure, having closer than twin person
03:41 AM pink_vampire: i need 2 more parts and 4 M4 screws
04:14 AM jthornton: morning
04:14 AM XXCoder: heys
04:19 AM jthornton: making some good progress in qtpyvcp
04:20 AM XXCoder: nice :)
04:20 AM pink_vampire: one day i hope to upgrade the pyvcp
04:41 AM jthornton: you should try qtpyvcp it's easier and more configurable
04:42 AM jthornton: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/tutorials/basic_vcp.html
04:44 AM pink_vampire: look very interesting and complicated
04:45 AM jthornton: https://github.com/jethornton/bp_touch
04:45 AM jthornton: that's my touch screen on the bp mill
04:46 AM jthornton: it still lacks some detail but fully functional
04:47 AM pink_vampire: how do you install it?
04:48 AM jthornton: it = qtpyvcp or it = bp_touch?
04:48 AM jthornton: first you need to be running debian 9
04:49 AM jthornton: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/quick_start.html
04:50 AM pink_vampire: my linux version is weezy or something like that
04:50 AM jthornton: or linux mint 19
04:50 AM jthornton: yea wheezy is too old to run this
04:51 AM pink_vampire: the only change i want is to add input text for probing
04:52 AM pink_vampire: this is something that I can't find a way to do in pyvcp
04:53 AM jthornton: what do you mean by "input text"?
04:54 AM jthornton: crap my website is saying Not Acceptable An appropriate representation of the requested resource / could not be found on this server.
04:55 AM pink_vampire: lets say i want to find the center of a block (2" X 3") now i need to edit the probing file and input the X and Y dimension, (3" and 2") and only after that i can press on the button in pyvpc to run it
04:56 AM jthornton: ok, let me think a bit
04:56 AM pink_vampire: ok thanks
05:31 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: ok, you can do what you want
05:32 AM jthornton: in the [RS274NGC] section of your ini file add FEATURES = 8
05:32 AM gloops: beehives are some messing about
05:33 AM pink_vampire: what FEATURES = 8 means?
05:33 AM jthornton: use this syntax to get say a spin box value in G code #<_hal[pin-name]>
05:33 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/remap/remap.html#_optional_interpreter_features_ini_file_configuration
05:34 AM jthornton: enable #<_hal[Hal item]> read only variables: 8
05:35 AM pink_vampire: what the "8" means?
05:36 AM jthornton: 8 is a mask to enable you to read hal pins in g code
05:36 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/remap/remap.html#_optional_interpreter_features_ini_file_configuration
05:36 AM jthornton: enable #<_hal[Hal item]> read only variables: 8
05:36 AM jthornton: if set, the interpreter will fetch read-only values from HAL file through this special variable syntax.
05:36 AM pink_vampire: i see that
05:39 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: i've added the "FEATURES = 8" to my ini file
05:40 AM pink_vampire: how do i use it?
05:40 AM jthornton: add a number input to your pyvcp screen for X and Y
05:40 AM pink_vampire: how??
05:41 AM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gui/pyvcp.html#_number_inputs
05:41 AM pink_vampire: i'm so lost
05:41 AM jthornton: paste.ubuntu.com your .xml file
05:41 AM pink_vampire: the pyvcp file?
05:44 AM jthornton: yea
05:44 AM pink_vampire: https://paste.debian.net/1071015/
05:45 AM jthornton: wow
05:45 AM jthornton: did you write that?
05:45 AM pink_vampire: some of it, and yeah
05:46 AM pink_vampire: there is ton of probing options
05:46 AM jthornton: ok add two spinboxes one for X and one for Y
05:46 AM jthornton: 1145 lines of pyvcp that's impressive
05:47 AM pink_vampire: there is 4 tabs, main, A, B, C
05:47 AM jthornton: ah I see at the top jerry is the culprit lol
05:48 AM pink_vampire: the main tab is from jerry
05:48 AM pink_vampire: the B tab is the stuff i made
05:48 AM jthornton: are the images from jerry or you?
05:48 AM pink_vampire: jerry
05:49 AM pink_vampire: but i'm not using them
05:49 AM pink_vampire: i just use his code for the tabs
05:49 AM jthornton: so I can delete the images and see what you have?
05:50 AM pink_vampire: on the b tab you will see "stock center finer"
05:50 AM pink_vampire: i just ignore them
05:50 AM pink_vampire: i want to replace the S M L (with input text)
06:02 AM jthornton: I wonder why the tab is so narrow?
06:02 AM pink_vampire: 3:4 screen
06:05 AM jthornton: https://imagebin.ca/v/4Ynbgr9CH0JO
06:05 AM jthornton: does your screen look like that?
06:06 AM pink_vampire: yes!
06:06 AM pink_vampire: amazing!
06:06 AM pink_vampire: i have no idea how to make icons in the buttons so i make a font for it
06:07 AM XXCoder: as in graphic making or how to make button have icon?
06:07 AM pink_vampire: one sec , i will make a screenshot
06:08 AM jthornton: can you use https://paste.ubuntu.com/ and paste you post gui hal file?
06:09 AM pink_vampire: yes one sec
06:09 AM XXCoder: man you have went very far
06:09 AM XXCoder: i remember when you first come in here
06:10 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: lol
06:10 AM XXCoder: i knew more about HAL than you for maybe a day LOKL
06:10 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/pckaVF3.png
06:10 AM XXCoder: custom font eh
06:10 AM XXCoder: pretty cool
06:11 AM jthornton: is that your screen?
06:11 AM pink_vampire: correct
06:12 AM jthornton: can you zip your configuration and put it in filebin.net
06:12 AM pink_vampire: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qKHjYHBk6W/
06:29 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: can you zip your configuration and put it in filebin.net
06:31 AM pink_vampire: i have some privet stuff also there it is take forever to make it clean
06:31 AM jthornton: ok
06:32 AM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kVQwsXkvMm/
06:32 AM jthornton: that's the basic of how it can be done
06:32 AM jthornton: can you zip up your images and post that?
06:32 AM pink_vampire: lets see
06:33 AM pink_vampire: i only use 8 of them
06:33 AM pink_vampire: and nothing is active
06:34 AM jthornton: what is font-test2?
06:34 AM jthornton: is that your image?
06:34 AM pink_vampire: this is just a font
06:34 AM pink_vampire: no it is a font that i made
06:34 AM jthornton: can you share that?
06:35 AM pink_vampire: it is just a font
06:35 AM pink_vampire: very bad way to make icons
06:36 AM XXCoder: probably can be converted to svg icons if ui can use svg icons
06:37 AM pink_vampire: but you can put an image on button in pyvcp
06:37 AM pink_vampire: maybe there is a way
06:37 AM pink_vampire: but i have no idea how
06:42 AM jthornton: look in the docs for pyvcp images...
06:44 AM * jthornton figured out how to make the tabbed widget a lot wider :)
06:45 AM pink_vampire: you mean the images in the top of the pyvcp? - just ignore them it is the stuff from the jerry code
06:45 AM pink_vampire: i'm trying to find them
06:51 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: those are the jerry images https://filebin.net/xjt1lcrgl36fj4kg
06:53 AM jthornton: ok thanks]
06:54 AM jthornton: did you understand how to use the spinbox to set the distance probed?
06:54 AM pink_vampire: no
06:55 AM pink_vampire: i did the interface in 2016
06:55 AM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kVQwsXkvMm/
06:55 AM jthornton: that is the basic idea
06:56 AM jthornton: #<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> gets the number from the spinbox in G code
06:56 AM pink_vampire: not really sure
06:57 AM pink_vampire: how this command work? G0 X#
06:58 AM jthornton: G0 X#<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> gets the value for X from the pyvcp spinbox <halpin>"x-dist"</halpin>
06:58 AM pink_vampire: the # get replaced with the number from the spinbox??
06:58 AM jthornton: no #<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> gets replaced with the number
06:59 AM jthornton: pyvcp.x-dist is the hal pin of the spinbox
06:59 AM pink_vampire: ok, lets put the commands in place and see how it is work in the real life
07:00 AM jthornton: so in your subroutine you need to use the format G38.2 X#<_hal[pyvcp.x-dist]> ...
07:01 AM pink_vampire: i just finish coppy the file you sent to the linux machine
07:02 AM pink_vampire: and now i'm starting edit the files
07:06 AM pink_vampire: i did
07:07 AM pink_vampire: and it is not work
07:07 AM pink_vampire: linux cnc give me error
07:07 AM jthornton: should I guess the exact error?
07:11 AM pink_vampire: i comment the line in the postgui.hal, and linux cnc is running
07:11 AM jthornton: I can't guess what the error was...
07:14 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: this is the error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TSQHSKzwhj/
07:15 AM jthornton: what was the hal line?
07:15 AM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE
07:15 AM Tom_itx: spacex
07:16 AM Tom_itx: and i overslept.
07:16 AM pink_vampire: we saw the live stream lunch
07:16 AM XXCoder: yep saw it. awesome!
07:16 AM XXCoder: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1101789828574777346 inside of shuttle at some point.
07:16 AM Tom_itx: so i got more sleep than you :)
07:17 AM pink_vampire: the dragon will dock tomorrow to the iss
07:17 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: looks like an error in your pyvcp file
07:18 AM pink_vampire: i removed the code from the xml and still got the error
07:22 AM jthornton: what else did you change?
07:22 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: I got it now in to the xml and it is displayed in the axis interface, but i remove the line from the postgui.hal
07:22 AM jthornton: what line?
07:23 AM pink_vampire: net mdi-1 halui.mdi-command-00 pyvcp.move-x
07:24 AM jthornton: you prob have halui.mdi-command-00 all ready used
07:25 AM pink_vampire: there is alot of lines in the [HALUI] section
07:25 AM jthornton: you prob have halui.mdi-command-00 all ready used in your postgui hal file
07:26 AM pink_vampire: yes
07:26 AM pink_vampire: line 19
07:26 AM pink_vampire: https://i.imgur.com/NUMbKq1.png
07:27 AM pink_vampire: this is the spinbox
07:27 AM jthornton: yep
07:28 AM jthornton: you can only use each mdi command for one button so you need to add a new mdi in the ini and change the hal to use that one
07:30 AM jthornton: looks like pyvcp can't use an image for a button :( so your fonts is the only way
07:30 AM pink_vampire: linux cnc did not crash now - but the "move X" button do nothing
07:30 AM XXCoder: pink_vampire: you could upload your font to linuxcnc source, it looks quite good!
07:31 AM jthornton: what is the hal line now?
07:31 AM XXCoder: we could add bunch more icons for people to use also, like ops
07:31 AM XXCoder: ops lather specific etc etc
07:31 AM pink_vampire: lol
07:31 AM jthornton: yea that would be nice to have that font
07:31 AM pink_vampire: i think i know what
07:31 AM pink_vampire: it is commented in the post
07:32 AM pink_vampire: home the machine
07:34 AM gloops: hmm, looking like my old dell optiplex is dead
07:34 AM gloops: seems to start up, fans lights etc, but black screen
07:34 AM pink_vampire: i have one next to me
07:35 AM gloops: just hoping the linuxcnc hard drive is ok
07:35 AM XXCoder: probably if it doesnt even display POST
07:35 AM XXCoder: try attach a montior to it
07:35 AM gloops: ive got a working monitor on it - nothing
07:35 AM XXCoder: is it the inbuilt one or you added one?
07:36 AM gloops: so..need to hook the drive up to another PC
07:36 AM gloops: the hard drive XXCoder - one i added
07:37 AM XXCoder: the montior :)
07:37 AM XXCoder: google says your system has inbuilt montior also
07:37 AM pink_vampire: gloops i promise to do my best and help you
07:37 AM gloops: oh, thats a plug and play - the monitor gives a readout of its own when plugged in
07:38 AM gloops: pink_vampire i dount theres much you can do, its dead lol, but thanks for being so kind
07:38 AM XXCoder: pink consider sharing the font :)
07:38 AM XXCoder: your idea is quite major
07:38 AM gloops: ive got a spare PC, more concerned with the hard drive, i think...ive got the configs backed up
07:39 AM XXCoder: nonme of us thought of using custom fonts lol
07:40 AM pink_vampire: jthornton: i see something very weird, if i put number without decimal point, like 10 vs 10.0 the screen just blink and the machine do nothing
07:40 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: I have no idea where i put it
07:40 AM jthornton: hmm let me see, it is a float so may need the .
07:41 AM XXCoder: isnt no decimical mean .0001 if 1? if so thats very small distance
07:41 AM jthornton: also start your configuration from a terminal so you can see errors
07:42 AM XXCoder: in your fonts special folder im sure. lemme see
07:42 AM pink_vampire: lets see
07:42 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: if you type the number in you have to press enter\
07:42 AM XXCoder: if linux (im sure since its linuxcnc lol) /usr/share/fonts or /usr/share/fonts/truetype
07:44 AM jthornton: font-test2
08:01 AM pink_vampire: i find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:01 AM pink_vampire: even better version of it!
08:01 AM XXCoder: :)
08:01 AM PL7icnc: the Pink oil Canister ?
08:02 AM XXCoder: the font?
08:04 AM pink_vampire: https://filebin.net/xjt1lcrgl36fj4kg
08:04 AM PL7icnc: Fonts searching is quite a good thing but you can let the Bot search by image
08:04 AM pink_vampire: the probing font!
08:05 AM pink_vampire: PL7icnc: it is a font that i made few years ago
08:05 AM PL7icnc: Well Done
08:05 AM PL7icnc: Searching on Linux is a chalenge
08:05 AM XXCoder: font looks even better right on my screen
08:06 AM pink_vampire: it was made for pyvcp as icons for the buttons
08:07 AM pink_vampire: XXCoder: if you have idea for more buttons i can add more stuff
08:07 AM XXCoder: jthornton probablyhas better idea, my brain is dead lol should have slept 2 hours ago
08:07 AM XXCoder: wb JT-Shop
08:07 AM XXCoder: she found the font
08:08 AM XXCoder: looks fanastic.
08:08 AM PL7icnc: She ? Female CNC Guru
08:08 AM XXCoder: PL7icnc: why does it surpise you?
08:09 AM PL7icnc: only View very View Female here in Europ on Mashining
08:09 AM pink_vampire: You're Welcome
08:09 AM PL7icnc: more go the Way to the CAD system Design and PreModelening
08:10 AM pink_vampire: I have cnc machine
08:10 AM XXCoder: not very common here also but it doesnt really matter anyone can get skilled
08:10 AM PL7icnc: Im the New Guy in Germany replacing Ich... Lothar has Decesed in 2018
08:10 AM PL7icnc: i Got not that many expiriance but i got his Main PC
08:10 AM XXCoder: about that, you still uploading ich videos?
08:11 AM PL7icnc: YES
08:11 AM PL7icnc: 2 per Day
08:11 AM XXCoder: and maybe remake some of messy videos? some is quite hard to follow.
08:11 AM pink_vampire: i want to try play with bipod kinematic
08:11 AM PL7icnc: i checkt it shoudt be in total somwhere around 200 out of 550
08:12 AM XXCoder: man that'd take hundred days of daily uploading.
08:12 AM XXCoder: well off to bed before i'm dead.
08:12 AM PL7icnc: XXCoder, where are You
08:13 AM PL7icnc: or only Carnival overtaken
08:16 AM PL7icnc: i am still on ?
08:16 AM pink_vampire: I'm here
08:21 AM jthornton: pink_vampire: thanks for the fonts
08:21 AM pink_vampire: do you have idea for more icons?
08:22 AM jthornton: I'll look after while breakfast time here
08:22 AM jthornton: then grocery shopping lol
08:22 AM PL7icnc: HOME is a Needed ONE
08:22 AM jthornton: then a nap
08:22 AM PL7icnc: as Last Press bevor Mashine off
08:22 AM PL7icnc: i set it G53 X5 Y5 Z-5 mm
11:14 AM milkii_ is now known as milkii
11:41 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
11:53 AM {HD}: I need an application exactly like flatcam but can take vector files (svg, dxf)....
11:53 AM {HD}: any ideas?
11:55 AM pink_vampire: mm
11:55 AM pink_vampire: VCarve?
11:56 AM pink_vampire: {HD}: ^
11:56 AM {HD}: one of the features of flatCAM I am trying to match is "free"
11:56 AM {HD}: or even better yet "foss"
11:57 AM pink_vampire: http://www.cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35&sid=00d6cc63a740d78f62440f8673858145
11:57 AM pink_vampire: https://www.getfabber.com/
11:58 AM {HD}: oh yea, inkscape...I forgot about that. Last time I tired it I couldn't get it to work but maybe I will have another go.
11:59 AM pink_vampire: if you find a way to make it work PLEASE make a tutorial
11:59 AM roycroft: hey folks
11:59 AM roycroft: does anyone have a good source for used motors in the usa?
11:59 AM roycroft: besides ebay/amazon industrial
11:59 AM roycroft: or new discounted motors
12:00 PM pink_vampire: craigslist
12:00 PM {HD}: roycroft: Do you live in a dense area? I just drive around on garbage day and grab dishwashers and washing machines and compressors and stuff.
12:01 PM roycroft: i need a 3hp 3 phase inverter duty motor that runs at 1100-1800rpm single speed
12:02 PM roycroft: preferably with a 5/8" or 7/8" shaft
12:02 PM {HD}: roycroft: oh...hahah prob wont find one of those on the side of the road
12:02 PM roycroft: i don't think dishwasher/washing machine motors are going to rit those specs
12:02 PM roycroft: fit
12:02 PM roycroft: i have plenty of small capacity single phase motors
12:03 PM roycroft: i could live without inverter duty, probably
12:03 PM pink_vampire: washing machine motor maybe?
12:04 PM roycroft: but this is for a belt grinder, and i would really prefer inverter duty, as i'm certain i'll be running it at show speeds for extended periods of time
12:04 PM roycroft: and don't want to have to rig up an external blower to keep it cool
12:05 PM roycroft: i've looked at a couple surplus motor outfits but it seems that 3hp motors that are base mount are really rare
12:05 PM roycroft: flange/face mount are easy to find
12:05 PM pink_vampire: https://www.harborfreight.com/3-hp-compressor-duty-motor-68302.html
12:05 PM roycroft: and anything other than 3hp is easy to find
12:05 PM gloops: 3hp for a belt ?
12:06 PM roycroft: that's single phase, pink_vampire
12:06 PM roycroft: sure, gloops
12:06 PM gloops: ive got a 1hp bandsaw that cuts 20 inch logs lol
12:06 PM roycroft: i don't want to have to worry about pushing it a bit
12:06 PM roycroft: i have a 2hp motor now, but it's face mount, which is causing me some design problems
12:07 PM roycroft: and i don't want to do anything wonky like try to weld a base onto it
12:07 PM roycroft: so i am motor shopping, and decided that if i'm going to get a different motor a little more power would not hurt
12:07 PM gloops: yeah i had a similar issue with a motor, you can get base and flange if youre buying new
12:07 PM roycroft: i could live with 2hp though
12:07 PM gloops: second hand obviously you take what you find
12:08 PM roycroft: i don't mind new
12:08 PM roycroft: as long as it's not $800
12:08 PM pink_vampire: what about machining 2 rings with base that clamp on it?
12:08 PM roycroft: the one i have cost me ~$125 including shipping
12:08 PM roycroft: and i want to pay that much for its replacement :)
12:08 PM gloops: i got a decent brooke crompton used off ebay
12:08 PM roycroft: but i'm willing to go a little more
12:09 PM roycroft: yeah, there are a lot of motors on ebay
12:09 PM roycroft: 3hp slow speed is exceedingly rare, though
12:09 PM roycroft: 3450rpm is a lot easier to find
12:09 PM roycroft: as is 2hp or 5hp
12:09 PM gloops: i did collect though, so i saw it working before handing anything over
12:10 PM pink_vampire: where are you located?
12:10 PM roycroft: i don't know if it's the case that 3hp 3phase slow speed motors are very widely used, therefore widely sought after and snapped up immediately, or if they are rarely used and the supply is poor
12:10 PM roycroft: i am in western oregon, on the west coast of the us
12:11 PM roycroft: very far from the rust belt
12:11 PM gloops: alternative might be to mount the flange motor indirect and set some pulleys up to control speed - all work though
12:11 PM roycroft: although ironically machinery rusts very well here - better than in the actual rust belt :)
12:11 PM roycroft: i need direct drive
12:12 PM roycroft: my design is based on jeremy schmidt's design
12:12 PM roycroft: incorporating the feature to flip it from vertical to horizontal
12:12 PM pink_vampire: https://hartford.craigslist.org/tls/d/south-windsor-new-baldor-3hp-1800rpm/6811109270.html
12:12 PM roycroft: there's no way i'd be able to reasonably do that with a belt drive thing
12:13 PM roycroft: that's close, pink_vampire
12:14 PM roycroft: i don't have 3 phase power though - i'll be using a vfd, and my vfds won't put out 460v
12:14 PM roycroft: i need 208/230v
12:14 PM pink_vampire: go on craigslist and search for "3hp"
12:14 PM roycroft: i did not specify that before
12:14 PM roycroft: and i have been on both my local cl and regional ones
12:15 PM roycroft: for some reason 3hp seems to be a really odd size
12:15 PM roycroft: i might just adjust the design to let me use the flange mount motor
12:15 PM roycroft: but that's kind of a hassle
12:16 PM pink_vampire: https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/for/d/brush-prairie-baldor-3hp-motor/6831559362.html
12:16 PM roycroft: i've been thinking about getting a base mount motor and using the flange mount on something else later
12:16 PM pink_vampire: not sure if single phase or not
12:17 PM roycroft: weird - that did not show up in my cl search that included pdx
12:18 PM roycroft: it's more than i want to pay for something that old and beat up
12:18 PM roycroft: but not too much more - it could be a candidate if i can't find something else
12:18 PM roycroft: while i'd like to get one for $125 delivered, i know that's probably unrealistic
12:20 PM roycroft: oh, that one was in the "heavy equipment" category
12:20 PM roycroft: i was searching in tools, where i usually find that kind of stuff
12:20 PM pink_vampire: get a threadmill on the free stuff
12:20 PM roycroft: i suppose just doing a general search would be better, although it includes a lot of outboard motors for boats
12:22 PM roycroft: i'm ready to go get some steel to start making this thing, once the snow melts
12:22 PM roycroft: so it's time to finalize the design, and the tilting unit on which the motor mounts is one of the first assemblies i'll need to fabricate
12:22 PM roycroft: so this has to be sorted out very soon
12:23 PM {HD}: https://i.imgur.com/dnxihIX.jpg yep, thats what I remember about the last time I tried it.
12:26 PM pink_vampire: :(
01:35 PM jthornton: pink_vampire: the font file is missing all the tilt fonts, do you have a different one?
01:37 PM pink_vampire: not that i know of
01:37 PM pink_vampire: but i never finish those probing gcode file anyway
01:51 PM JT-Shop2: your screen shot shows some from letters ABCDEF but they are not in the font file that's why I asked
01:52 PM pink_vampire: it was 3 years ago
01:53 PM pink_vampire: I have no idea what i did back then
01:54 PM JT-Shop2: lol no biggie
01:56 PM pink_vampire: also it was part that i did and some parts people help me over time, this is why i never finished it :(
02:09 PM JT-Shop2: what part do you use?
02:18 PM skunkworks: when hooking up smart serial - does rx+ get hooked to tx+ and so on?
02:27 PM gloops: haha, my optiplex died but the linuxcnc drive is still working!
02:28 PM gloops: so i just need another 32 bit pc to run it
02:40 PM _unreal_: sooooooo tired.... just finished the last of the @#$%@$#% cement work
02:41 PM _unreal_: the side walkway is done
02:41 PM _unreal_: and all of the big cement blocks from the old FENCE post have been processed as well
02:42 PM _unreal_: gloops, its killing me I'm waiting on ONE bleeping part so I can start dealign witht eh software side of my linuxcnc project....
02:42 PM _unreal_: there are front panel buttons I need to install to the computer shell but I cant mount anything till I get them installed because they are in front of the LCD controller board.
02:43 PM _unreal_: so annoying
02:43 PM _unreal_: I wanted to do acrylic dowels as buttons so I could light them up but no one carries them anymore
02:44 PM _unreal_: So I ordered long stem push buttons soon as they arrive today I rebuild the stupid PCB mount it glue it and done with it
02:45 PM gloops: this has been running fine for a year, i pretty much abused it though so my own fault, ive got several old scrapper PCs just trying to cobble a decent working one out of them
02:47 PM _unreal_: ya I have plenty of old PCs but I'm going for the SBC
02:48 PM _unreal_: HELL I have put out an offer I'll make anyone in the USA a special computer case if they can get my software put together for me
02:48 PM _unreal_: If anyone can solve my software issues I will make them one of these RPI shells. I will only ship to USA btw. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1k7sAI4xB9p0f6mfdPIE6ce43ON0Eaqbw https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HWeDVibeGsHmnQ9Xb-OLN7xT8nqdX2IM https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QkWgHpnCRs6qtWHWWXF8qHhw2aM0cW4l
02:48 PM _unreal_: <_unreal_> if anyone is interested PM me... I'm around just working on getting the back panel PORT i/o's cutout https://drive.google.com/open?id=17NR0AQAwQdHXTurvvVguHfIH343mWORK
02:48 PM _unreal_: I posted that in #raspberrypi
02:49 PM gloops: what kind of software issues _unreal_ - i cant ehlp but just curious
02:49 PM gloops: help
02:49 PM gloops: also cooking dinner so afk
02:51 PM _unreal_: I have an asus tinker board. I need an RT image setup, with linuxncc setup working, the display working 1024x600, the GPIO's setup and working with linuxcnc and a few other aspects....
02:52 PM _unreal_: in the photos I have a 7" RPI touch lcd mounted. it can take a little bit larger display
02:52 PM _unreal_: but I have the molds so I can make the shell easy
03:04 PM pcw_home: skunkworks: yes the physical TX+ goes to RX+ etc
03:09 PM skunkworks: pcw_mesa: I am trying to hook up stmbl to a 7i76 - hooking it up that way doesn't see it.
03:11 PM skunkworks: got it - had to reverse the +/-
03:12 PM pcw_home: some people use different nomenclature, to me, + idles low
03:13 PM skunkworks: well you are obviously wrong.. ;)
03:14 PM pcw_home: Ive had some arguments about it...
03:14 PM pcw_home: I use the RS-423 spec that says + matches RS-232 polarity (so is inverted from UART data)
03:17 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: the network end seems to be standard.. I just hooked the green and orange pairs up as your RS-422 section..
03:21 PM pcw_home: Yeah we used the EIA-blah color standard but our polarity names
03:23 PM skunkworks: ah
03:23 PM skunkworks: it worked
03:24 PM skunkworks: well - kinda. I am not understanding the stmbl - I was expecting velocity and position pins.. But I am only getting a handfull
03:24 PM skunkworks: i/o and such
03:32 PM Tom_L: have they got the new design done on the STMBL?
03:32 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: if I run the 7i92_MX3660x2D.bit - could I get a way to do smart serial on the P1? (if I supply a 422 ttl/422 converter?
03:32 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: not yet
03:33 PM Tom_L: is this the first try on it for you?
03:34 PM skunkworks: I have played with stmbl off and on - I am getting close to get the green machine running...
03:34 PM skunkworks: and want to use the drive as a spindle drive
03:35 PM gloops: no version of 2.8 that runs on 64 bit then?
03:36 PM Tom_L: that would be up to the OS wouldn't it?
03:37 PM gloops: hmm, assuming on wheezy
03:37 PM gloops: so id need to install linuxcnc on a different os for 64 bit
03:37 PM Tom_L: did you try doing an update pointing to the differene repo?
03:38 PM Tom_L: i'm a bit confused on that myself
03:38 PM pcw_home: skunkworks: sure
03:38 PM gloops: i did update linuxcnc to 2.8, but still on debian
03:38 PM Tom_L: stretch or something else?
03:39 PM jthornton: I run linuxcnc on 64 bit
03:39 PM gloops: i thought i saw someone say there was an iso release due out now on stretch
03:39 PM pcw_home: probably 7i92_MX3660x1_ssD
03:40 PM gloops: it would be hard work for me to get linuxcnc on stretch, i think
03:40 PM pcw_home: Yeah its (stretch test iso) 2.7.14 but of course update-able to 2.8
03:40 PM Tom_L: there was talk but i haven't seen it yet
03:40 PM Tom_L: just the test
03:40 PM gloops: whats the ETA pcw_home?
03:40 PM Tom_L: so 2.8 would run on wheezy?
03:41 PM gloops: 2.8 does run on wheezy, all i want is 2.8 on 64 bit
03:41 PM pcw_home: ETA of what? the stretch test ISO has been available for a year or more
03:42 PM Tom_L: is there a particular reason you need 64bit?
03:42 PM gloops: pcw_home, so i install the stretch iso, and can update on that to 2.8? and that will run on 64 bit
03:42 PM pcw_home: I think updating to 2.8 is pretty automatic with the package manager
03:42 PM gloops: Tom_L my thinking is its getting harder to find decent 32 bit machines
03:42 PM pcw_home: yes should be easy
03:42 PM gloops: so..then theres the problem of 64 with parport
03:43 PM pcw_home: 32 bit Linux runs fine on 64 bit hardware (but Wheezy may not if the hardware is too new)
03:43 PM gloops: ive got 3 old pcs here, 2 wont start and ones too slow lol
03:43 PM pcw_home: try the stretch ISO + latency
03:44 PM gloops: ok ill look at the stretch iso thanks
03:44 PM pcw_home: just google stretch linuxcnc
03:44 PM Tom_L: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
03:46 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: there is already a bit file>
03:46 PM skunkworks: ?
03:47 PM gloops: thanks - i wont be doing it tonight though
03:49 PM Tom_L: i've got it on my test machine
03:49 PM Tom_L: but it's still 2.7 iirc
03:49 PM skunkworks: gloops: stretch uses rt_preempt which might not have as good latency as rtai. your milage may vary..
03:50 PM Tom_L: i've been under the impression 2.8 wouldn't work on wheezy for some reason
03:50 PM Tom_L: because of the preempt-rt thing. maybe that's just because of stretch
03:51 PM skunkworks: 2.8 will work on weezy
03:52 PM Tom_L: cool
03:52 PM gloops: it runs fine on wheezy for me
03:52 PM Tom_L: still think i'll try it on a spare drive first
03:52 PM gloops: old optiplex it was on died
03:52 PM Tom_L: is the config a little different than 2.7?
03:57 PM varesa_ is now known as varesa
03:58 PM skunkworks: Tom_L: yes - but there is an automated config converter.
04:00 PM pcw_home: skunkworks I dont think so but I can cobble one together
04:03 PM skunkworks: no rush
04:04 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: no rush - Thanks!
04:06 PM pcw_home: any specific pinout you wish? (I suspect using the GPIO 0..7 pins would be the best noise wise since they would have interleaved grounds or power on the flat cable)
04:07 PM pcw_home: (you could jumper the 7I92 to supply 5V to the level shifter)
04:07 PM skunkworks: no - whatever you think is best
04:14 PM Deejay: gn8
04:24 PM _unreal_: OMG would the delivery service just deliver my package already... due today SOMETIME today by 9pm
04:42 PM pcw_home: skunkworks: http://freeby.mesanet.com/7i92_mx3660_ssd.bit
04:42 PM pcw_home: (I was wrong the interleaved ground pins end is the high numbered side of the GPIO)
04:43 PM pcw_home: MX3660 on P2, 4 sserial channels on P1
04:49 PM skunkworks: pcw_home: Thank you!
05:13 PM _unreal_: pcw_home, 4 in one. interesting
05:49 PM _unreal_: ?
05:54 PM _unreal_: OMG I found my stupid wireless keyboard usb plug finally
06:00 PM XXCoder: lol
06:00 PM XXCoder: reminds me of one time I needed to find my currently used wireless dongle
06:01 PM XXCoder: took me quite a while to remember my apple keyboard had 2 usb ports LOL
06:01 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
06:13 PM jthornton: XXCoder: https://imagebin.ca/v/4Yr9N3XzEpnF
06:13 PM XXCoder: looking
06:13 PM jthornton: pink_vampire: ^^^
06:13 PM Tom_L: i like that
06:13 PM XXCoder: thats fanastic font indeed.
06:13 PM Tom_L: maps to jeplers routines?
06:14 PM XXCoder: we need to add more to the font.
06:14 PM jthornton: ???
06:14 PM jthornton: what do you mean Tom_L
06:14 PM Tom_L: what are we looking at?
06:14 PM Tom_L: the edge stuff, isn't that jeplers touch routines?
06:14 PM jthornton: pyvcp with pink_vampire fonts
06:14 PM Tom_L: oh
06:14 PM XXCoder: hes showcasing pink_vampire's custom font also
06:14 PM jthornton: no cradek did the probe routines
06:14 PM Tom_L: err yeah that's who i meant
06:15 PM Tom_L: bad weather on the way tonight
06:15 PM jthornton: the magic is reading the pyvcp spin box in the subroutine
06:15 PM jthornton: me too
06:15 PM jthornton: he did hole and edge not corner
06:16 PM Tom_L: looks kinda patchy right now but they say 5"
06:16 PM Tom_L: oh
06:17 PM jthornton: we just look like a wintery mix tonight of rain snot and sleet
06:21 PM _unreal_: jthornton, ?
06:21 PM XXCoder: 3 days of solid sun
06:22 PM _unreal_: https://www.google.com/search?q=weather&oq=weather+&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i59l3j0l2.6194j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
06:22 PM _unreal_: ME :)
06:22 PM jthornton: qué
06:22 PM _unreal_: yarp
06:22 PM Tom_L: _unreal_ where are you?
06:23 PM _unreal_: palm to face
06:23 PM _unreal_: https://www.google.com/search?q=weather&oq=weather+&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i59l3j0l2.6194j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
06:23 PM _unreal_: ?
06:24 PM * _unreal_ grabs my last beer brb
06:26 PM _unreal_: much better
06:46 PM XXCoder: I hate having to go and read vin off my car lol
06:46 PM XXCoder: expecially since event ticket were stuck there for years
06:46 PM XXCoder: took me while to move it out of way lol
06:47 PM XXCoder: dammit new part not ready yet
07:12 PM CaptHindsight: back to below zero F again this week, -21C
07:15 PM XXCoder: fun
07:15 PM Tom_L: headed this way too
07:15 PM Tom_L: XXCoder look on your insurance card
07:15 PM XXCoder: very sunny 45f here
07:16 PM XXCoder: Tom_L: doh didnt think of that but its fine, my car shouldnt say "one private parking" in vin spot anyway :)
07:24 PM CaptHindsight: we should be averaging 40F (5c)
07:25 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, I'll match you your sun and raise you 30F :)
07:26 PM XXCoder: lol
07:26 PM XXCoder: no bets. I love the cold.
07:26 PM jdh: we will be below freezing tuesday night. brr.
07:27 PM _unreal_: I had an alagator in the back yard today
07:27 PM _unreal_: I had an alligator in the back yard today
07:28 PM jdh: haven't had any in mine.
07:28 PM _unreal_: scared the shit out of me
07:28 PM jdh: but, the creek/ditch along the back drains into a pond that has one every so often
07:28 PM _unreal_: wasnt there.... and I was working in the back yard then it was... sunning it self in the next door yard
07:28 PM _unreal_: I was like WAAAAAAAHHHH
07:28 PM _unreal_: ALMOST A 6'ER THAT IS a man killer
07:29 PM _unreal_: I'm not little but I wont fark with a beast that big
07:29 PM jdh: heh
07:29 PM jdh: I won't touch any of them, but 6ft isn't so big
07:30 PM jdh: where are you?
07:30 PM _unreal_: south florida
07:31 PM jdh: my artistic shot of one I rode by https://i.imgur.com/Mj42mEH.jpg
07:34 PM _unreal_: hum
07:35 PM _unreal_: jdh this place is about a 30min drive south of me https://www.earthcam.com/cams/florida/miami/?cam=miami
07:35 PM _unreal_: its a live cam
07:36 PM _unreal_: hello?
07:38 PM jdh: hello!
07:45 PM _unreal_: is there anybody out there?
07:45 PM _unreal_: ooooOOOOOOO
07:48 PM _unreal_: brb kernel update
07:54 PM _unreal_: updated
08:00 PM _unreal_: hello?
10:05 PM XXCoder: _unreal_: hello
10:05 PM XXCoder: hmm interesting, guys. https://e360.yale.edu/digest/scientists-turn-atmospheric-co2-into-coal
10:05 PM XXCoder: it may sound odd but might help clear out co2
10:29 PM Tom_L: XXCoder how many SFM do you typically run a .250" EM in aluminum?
10:30 PM Tom_L: i've been figuring off chip load but for this i need SFM
10:30 PM XXCoder: unfortunately i rarely need to calculate anything as program is made for me :)
10:30 PM Tom_L: ok
10:31 PM XXCoder: most people here own a shop and run their own, myself im between operator and machinist
10:31 PM Tom_L: i figured but thought you might know
10:32 PM Tom_L: i'm pretty close on it i think
10:32 PM XXCoder: wouldnt you be able to get sfm by figuring what chip size you want
10:32 PM XXCoder: say .003" chip
10:32 PM Tom_L: yeah but i'm tryin to calculate for some tools i've never used
10:32 PM Tom_L: using a comparison
10:33 PM XXCoder: yeah maybe get it from known tool ipm rpm to work well
10:33 PM Tom_L: yeah you could normally run around .005" chipload but not on this mill
10:34 PM XXCoder: hget chip sizes from that, then figure it out to sfm
10:34 PM Tom_L: that's what i'm doing
10:34 PM XXCoder: sfm for new tool that is
10:36 PM XXCoder: cool hope you get it to work :)
10:38 PM Tom_L: i start conservative but i don't wanna make it too slow
10:39 PM XXCoder: yeah no powder
10:40 PM XXCoder: unless youre trying to make powder makeup like classic wizard of oz guy lol
10:43 PM norias: uh
10:44 PM norias: sfm is tool material / workpiece material dependent
10:44 PM norias: and mostly controls heat generation / tool life
10:45 PM Tom_L: yeah i know
10:45 PM XXCoder: theorically you want chips to fly away with heat in it
10:45 PM XXCoder: thats what I know of it. :)
10:45 PM norias: chip load is.. eh, not really related
10:45 PM norias: sfm -> rpm
10:45 PM norias: chip load -> fpm
10:45 PM Tom_L: i figure chip load because the spindle motor is only .6 Hp
10:46 PM norias: keep in mind all published chip loads for tooling
10:46 PM norias: is for >= 1/2 Tool Diameter of Radial Depth of Cut
10:46 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:46 PM norias: fpm increases as radial doc decreases
10:47 PM Tom_L: looking at thread mills right now
10:47 PM norias: it sounds like you should be working backwards from HP requirements for the process
10:47 PM norias: given that you are HP limited
10:47 PM norias: belt or gear driven spindle?
10:47 PM Tom_L: not too worried about HP with these
10:47 PM Tom_L: belt
10:47 PM norias: good
10:48 PM Tom_L: timing belt
10:48 PM norias: do you have some tooling / material to spare?
10:48 PM Tom_L: no spare tools but plenty of material
10:49 PM Tom_L: i ran one test but got chastized here for running it too slow :)
10:49 PM norias: hah
10:49 PM norias: well, it's not straight forward
10:50 PM Tom_L: i now
10:50 PM Tom_L: know
10:50 PM Tom_L: i have a pretty good idea though
10:50 PM norias: generally, you have a feasible band limited by heat on the upper side
10:50 PM norias: (for rpm)
10:50 PM norias: and bounded from below by "no productivity"
10:51 PM Tom_L: i'm not shooting for maximum production here
10:51 PM norias: but the frequency response of the tool / machine system limits what rpm's are actually usable in that range
10:51 PM Tom_L: but i don't wanna grow old waiting on it either
10:51 PM norias: due to chatter
10:52 PM Tom_L: i'm just concerned due to the reduced shank size
10:52 PM norias: if it were me, i'd run the rpm at whatever the manufacturer says
10:52 PM norias: and i'd work the chip load backwards from the HP to get a max
10:52 PM Tom_L: haven't really found anything on these yet
10:52 PM norias: then see what radial DOC i can get with that
10:53 PM Tom_L: http://onlinecarbide.com/sipithmi.html
10:53 PM Tom_L: that's what we're looking at
10:53 PM norias: what are you cutting?
10:53 PM Tom_L: aluminum
10:53 PM Tom_L: but i've got a steel part i wanna use a 3/4" one on
10:54 PM norias: conservatively... i'd go like 300sfm for aluminum / carbide
10:54 PM norias: maybe 90 for steel / carbide
10:54 PM Tom_L: really?
10:54 PM Tom_L: i'm around 200 right now
10:54 PM norias: but inch the steel one up until things are bad, then back off
10:54 PM Tom_L: depending on the cutter
10:54 PM norias: if 200 is working, that's not too bad
10:55 PM norias: it does have a lot of suface area engaged
10:55 PM norias: so 200 is probably reasonable
10:55 PM Tom_L: no just the tool point
10:55 PM Tom_L: it's a single point thread cutter
10:55 PM norias: yeah
10:55 PM Tom_L: 4 flute
10:55 PM norias: no, i get that
10:56 PM norias: but for the size, any threading engages a lot of surface area
10:56 PM norias: you're making more heat
10:56 PM Tom_L: brb
10:56 PM norias: ok
11:02 PM Tom_L: bak
11:03 PM Tom_L: also i planned to make multiple passes similar to single point lathe threading
11:04 PM norias: makes sense
11:04 PM Tom_L: so i should be able to run it at a little higheer feed
11:04 PM norias: keep in mind i've only ever done this stuff on larger machines
11:04 PM norias: i.e. > 10 HP spindle
11:05 PM Tom_L: i know
11:06 PM Tom_L: i used to program for them as well but it's been years and this is a small mill
11:06 PM Tom_L: takes some getting used to
11:06 PM norias: i bet!
11:06 PM Tom_L: i did make a macro to program them though
11:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Smartcam/threadmacro_multipass2.jpg
11:07 PM Tom_L: will do RH or LH inside or external
11:07 PM Tom_L: newer software i'm sure has it built in nowdays
11:10 PM Tom_L: my bud had fadal, okuma and trees mostly
11:12 PM norias: cool
11:13 PM Tom_L: most of the smaller shops around here use mastercam now
11:13 PM Tom_L: that or catia for those that can afford it
11:35 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, hi
11:35 PM XXCoder: yo
11:39 PM pink_vampire: hi
11:39 PM pink_vampire: hope to make some parts today
11:39 PM XXCoder: hey
11:40 PM pink_vampire: hi XXCoder
11:41 PM pink_vampire: I'm cleaning here
11:42 PM pink_vampire: it is become huge mess here
11:43 PM XXCoder: machining is a mess heh yeah
11:43 PM _unreal_: XXCoder, you called for me?
11:44 PM XXCoder: oh ya
11:44 PM pink_vampire: do i have a 3d printer? https://i.imgur.com/GaLNwEA.png
11:44 PM XXCoder: you said hello? so i said hello
11:44 PM XXCoder: parts of one in least
11:44 PM XXCoder: remains from your test from what I recall
11:46 PM pink_vampire: one day i will make it work again... one day..
11:47 PM XXCoder: 3d printer tend to need faster frames than your mill
11:48 PM pink_vampire: I found myself need some parts that could be very easy to print but pain to machine
11:49 PM XXCoder: yeah 3d printer is fanastic on that
11:49 PM pink_vampire: jthornton: look amazing!
11:49 PM XXCoder: the ui picture he posted? yeah!
11:49 PM XXCoder: your font brings it home
11:50 PM pink_vampire: i need to finish my ui, and make it more usable
11:50 PM pink_vampire: what do you mean by bring it home?
11:50 PM XXCoder: well make it look very good lol
11:51 PM pink_vampire: so i will keep working on that font
11:53 PM pink_vampire: any idea how to remove hot glue?
11:53 PM XXCoder: isnt that usually can peel off after some heat?
11:54 PM pink_vampire: it is on a foam pvc sheet
11:55 PM XXCoder: oh hmm
11:55 PM XXCoder: hey gloops
11:56 PM gloops: hi
11:57 PM gloops: im just looking at my computer options for the cnc, 4 old boxes, none looking great lol
11:58 PM pink_vampire: gloops: did you make it work again?
11:58 PM gloops: i can either hunt for a decent 32 bit, or try and get stretch with linuxcnc running on 64 bit
11:59 PM gloops: i didnt pink_vampire, life is definitely extinct