#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 19 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:27 AM PL7icnc: Guten Morgen
03:09 AM Loetmichel: *GNAAAAA* Today is NOT my day. first one of the contacts on the Z stepper on the CNC mill developed a fault. Workpiece: scrap metal. Then the mill bit had a broken edge because of the plunge, so the VFD stopped with overcurrent error... second workpiece: scrap. and to top it off the RCD for the workshop just tripped. thankfully without another workpiece scrap, because i am now short in 8mm
03:09 AM Loetmichel: alu... an all that on my 50th birthday .-(
03:12 AM CNC_Brian: Is there an alarm output on the VFD. Maybe wire its to the e-stop circuit
03:14 AM sensille: Loetmichel: 50? and you said you were old ...
03:36 AM Loetmichel: sensille: i DO FEEL old today
03:36 AM sensille: but that started 30 years ago, no?
03:38 AM Loetmichel: nope
03:38 AM Loetmichel: today i feel especially old... its one of these day where one should have stayed in bed
03:40 AM sensille: i hear 20 year olds complaining about feeling old
03:41 AM Loetmichel: sensille: usually i complain a lot about feeling old... despite being one of the more muscular and fit guys in the company ;)
03:45 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: So, how exciting was it when they invented rock?
03:45 AM Jymmm: ...or dirt (your choice)
03:49 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: Age is just an attitude =)
03:50 AM Loetmichel: Jymmm: indeed ;)
03:51 AM rmu: happy birthday Loetmichel!
03:51 AM gloops: engraving brass name plate with router - how quick is this, say for a 75mm x 50 plate with a few lines of text - and how deep does the engraving need to be to see the text on the plate properly?
03:52 AM Loetmichel: thanks, rmu
03:53 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: !!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!
03:53 AM Jymmm: gloops: Once you engrave the text, you can backfill using oil based enamal paint using a rag.
03:53 AM Loetmichel: thanks
03:53 AM rmu: gloops: it probably depends on whether you engrave the letters or have them stand out.
03:54 AM Jymmm: gloops: USA?
03:54 AM Loetmichel: gloops: depends on your machine
03:54 AM Loetmichel: i can do engravings pretty fast
03:54 AM gloops: i just want a simple engraving, v cut or something, like a dog tag, but neatish
03:54 AM Loetmichel: and 0,3mm depth is usually sufficient
03:54 AM gloops: in the UK
03:55 AM Loetmichel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3sT3kQV-8
03:55 AM gloops: so .3mm maybe .1mm passes - should be pretty quick, im wanting to offer option of brass plate on some of my boxes but i dont want to get into it unless its pretty quick and no hassly
03:55 AM gloops: hassle
03:56 AM gloops: like i dont want the plate to take longer than the box lol
03:57 AM gloops: Jymmm filling should allow a shallower cut - will stand out as good as a deep unfilled cut
03:58 AM gloops: that looks easy enough Loetmichel, ill order a few bits of brass to play with then
03:59 AM Jymmm: gloops: coulda woulda shoulda, with and without backfill... https://www.google.com/images?q=engraved+brass
03:59 AM gloops: ahh yeah, that top middle one is perfect
04:00 AM gloops: so needs filling, thats no problem anyway
04:01 AM Jymmm: gloops: Just use rags made from old tshirts, and rub in the paint in little circles, then wipe off the excess and let dry.
04:02 AM Jymmm: rub and buff
04:02 AM gloops: ill have a go with that, it does look a lot better
04:03 AM Jymmm: gloops: It's super easy and fast
04:05 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brass-Metal-Thin-Sheet-Plate-Shim-100x100mm-Metalworking-0-8mm-1mm-1-5mm-2mm-3mm/173453945994?
04:06 AM gloops: 1mm, .5mm maybe
04:07 AM Jymmm: gloops: search for "brass name plate blank"
04:08 AM Jymmm: - blank
04:13 AM gloops: hmm doesnt pull much up in the UK, probably have to find plates at convenient sizes - definitely dont want to be doing much sizing
04:14 AM Jymmm: get rid of the word "blank"
04:20 AM gloops: thats pretty cheap https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quality-Brass-sheet-1mm-thick-300mm-x-100mm-cheapest-on-eBay/181809970630?
04:21 AM gloops: im only thinking around 100x50 plates, so would get 5 or so out of that
04:21 AM gloops: if there was any demand i could see about having them ready cut to size
04:22 AM Jymmm: gloops: Unless you happen to be good at cutting brass and still have it look nice, I'd use pre-cut =)
04:23 AM gloops: probably cut with bandsaw, but then theres the edges to finish - need to change blade on saw etc, id rather pay a few pence more for ready cut , ive ordered some of that to play with anyway
04:26 AM XXCoder: cant finish edges by cnc also
04:26 AM XXCoder: ?
04:26 AM XXCoder: yo
04:27 AM gloops: you can but im suspecting its going to be time consuming
04:27 AM gloops: probably quicker to run over grinder, a bit of filing/sandpaper etc
04:28 AM gloops: and all those 'little' jobs turn into me getting bogged down with hours of tedium lol
04:29 AM CNC_Brian: Guy's, having fun and games getting a parallel port to load with Linux Mint
04:29 AM gloops: will see when i get some brass anyway, it might cut it like butter
04:29 AM CNC_Brian: HAL reports it cant see the hardware
04:30 AM Jymmm: gloops: Thin stock you can cut with tin snips, it's the curling of the brass
04:30 AM rmu: hmm. found a cast iron surface plate 5×3m
04:30 AM rmu: no place to put it :(
04:30 AM gloops: yeah thats the problem Jymmm, you dont want to be messing about with it too much really
04:31 AM Jymmm: gloops: and that's why I suggested getting pre-made blanks =)
04:34 AM rmu: zeiss-made
04:34 AM gloops: well i should have some by the weekend so i can do some testing - ill try a profile cut with 6mm cutter see what time is involved
04:48 AM jthornton: morning
04:49 AM XXCoder: yo
05:17 AM Tom_L: morning
05:19 AM Tom_L: 24F Hi 32
05:31 AM jthornton: morning
05:32 AM XXCoder: 35f now, 42f high
05:32 AM XXCoder: apparently tomorrow night will be sleet. what fun.
05:35 AM XXCoder: it would be amazing funny if this place had major snowstorm againb
05:45 AM CNC_Brian: Help!
05:46 AM CNC_Brian: Installed 2.8 and trying to get it to use a parallel port
05:46 AM CNC_Brian: No matter what I do it says can't find
05:46 AM CNC_Brian: If I install the 2.7 live it works fine
05:47 AM CNC_Brian: Have remove the parport_pc module
05:55 AM XXCoder: hey dunno your usecase is bit strange
05:57 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: why do you need 2.8?
05:58 AM Deejay: moin
06:13 AM CNC_Brian: For QTPYVCP
06:20 AM jthornton: CNC_Brian: I don't know if you noticed but hazzy-m merged the data channel branch to master yesterday
06:21 AM jthornton: that brings some great enhancements and improvements to QtPyVCP
06:21 AM CNC_Brian: Im still on the branch from last week.
06:22 AM CNC_Brian: Trying to get a config running on a new faster PC, but having a nightmare with the PCIe parallel port. Its showing in lshw at 0xd000, but HAL will not take it
06:22 AM CNC_Brian: Going to have to buy a 7i76
06:23 AM jthornton: yuck, IIRC some pcie parallel port cards have problems and won't work
06:23 AM CNC_Brian: The crazy thing is its been working fine with 2.7 live image
06:23 AM XXCoder: it apparently works with 2.7 is there that dont workj with just 2.8?
06:23 AM jthornton: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=73&product_id=117
06:24 AM jthornton: yea that is strange that it works on 2.7 but not 2.8
06:24 AM CNC_Brian: I fancy an ethernet attached
06:25 AM CNC_Brian: Is the 7i76 a decent card?
06:25 AM jthornton: yea it's an awesome card
06:25 AM CNC_Brian: I only have a 3 axis maching
06:26 AM jthornton: then you prob want the 7i96 it's a lot less money for up to 5 axes
06:26 AM jthornton: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=66&product_id=150
06:27 AM CNC_Brian: Yes I like the fact it has the BOB built in. Nice and tidy in the electrical cab
06:27 AM CNC_Brian: I will do PCM for my spindle I assume?
06:27 AM jthornton: I wrote a configuration tool for the 7i96 card https://github.com/jethornton/7i96
06:27 AM jthornton: pwm yes
06:28 AM CNC_Brian: So that will make a customer bit file?
06:28 AM jthornton: no, it can read/flash the card and build your configuration files
06:29 AM CNC_Brian: So I find a bit file which has all the IO I need and then flash it
06:30 AM CNC_Brian: Your tool then populate the ini file with the pins
06:30 AM CNC_Brian: Hal file I should say
06:32 AM jthornton: it comes flashed with either 4 stepgens and pwm or 5 stepgens and no pwm
06:34 AM CNC_Brian: Nice!
06:36 AM CNC_Brian: Wow you can even connect you old school BOB for even more IO
06:37 AM jthornton: yea it's an awesome card at an low price
06:37 AM CNC_Brian: The e version is just faster I take it
06:38 AM jthornton: e version of what?
06:39 AM CNC_Brian: There is a 7i76E but I think its just more IO 48 ports
06:39 AM CNC_Brian: Don't need that
06:39 AM CNC_Brian: Its also twice the price
06:39 AM jthornton: oh yea the 7i76e has more I/O but same speed I think
06:41 AM jthornton: you can plug the 7i73 https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=72&product_id=67
06:41 AM jthornton: into the 7i96 for a pendant
06:41 AM CNC_Brian: Yes would love a rotary encoder for jog
06:52 AM Loetmichel: CNC_Brian: make one yourself
06:52 AM XXCoder: can find one for $12 or so
06:52 AM XXCoder: or cheaper for less quality lol
06:52 AM CNC_Brian: I cna manage 12 :-)
06:53 AM Loetmichel: if all else fails: take a small stepper and a few diodes and a few Schmitt-trigger gates... voila, instant encoder with 200 "lines"/rev, just needs a certein mininimum rotation speed to register the steps
06:55 AM CNC_Brian: Yes I have seem someone using the BLDC motor out of an old DVD drive to this.
07:10 AM rmu: was AFK
07:10 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: if it works with 2.7 it will also work with 2.8
07:11 AM CNC_Brian: Its probably because In using Mint 17.3
07:11 AM CNC_Brian: In the live 2.7 the lspci you cant see the parallel port
07:11 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: what kerne do you use?
07:11 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: why don't you use the 2.7 live as base?
07:12 AM jthornton: the 2.7 he is using is debian and 2.8 is linux mint
07:12 AM CNC_Brian: In mint 17.3 I remove the parport_pc module and it looks the same
07:12 AM CNC_Brian: Not showing in lspci
07:12 AM CNC_Brian: But hal cant connect to it. I give up and just ordered a mesa 7i76
07:13 AM CNC_Brian: Life is too short
07:13 AM jthornton: are you using 17.3 because your pc is very old?
07:13 AM CNC_Brian: I hack Pathpilot also
07:14 AM rmu: i'm not sure about parport_pc. mesa hostmot 7i90 epp driver needs parport_pc loaded AFAIK
07:14 AM rmu: mesa card is the better choice anyways
07:14 AM CNC_Brian: Yes im just being cheap.
07:15 AM CNC_Brian: I have 3 machines so at 160 including tax and shipping it a lot of money
07:15 AM sensille: which fpga do those mesa cards use?
07:17 AM CNC_Brian: Not sure.
07:18 AM sensille: it's not that easy to find on their pages, too
07:18 AM rmu: sensille: source code is available, it includes types of FPGA
07:19 AM sensille: hostmot2?
07:19 AM CNC_Brian: My eye site it too poor to make my own FPGA cards!
07:20 AM sensille: bgas mostly self-align :P
07:21 AM CNC_Brian: Yes looks like a BGA. Way too much effort
07:22 AM sensille: spartan2-spartan6
07:22 AM sensille: there are cheap spartan6 eval boards on aliexpress, but not as pci-cards
07:25 AM CNC_Brian: I want an ethernet link so I can use a laptop to run Linuxcnc on
07:25 AM CNC_Brian: Just disable step speed in the kernel and work fine
07:26 AM sensille: hm. i have an fpga-eval board with onboard ethernet. could try that
07:27 AM rmu: sensille: i think some machinekit people did kind of a port do de0-soc-nano http://blog.machinekit.io/2016/04/altera-soc-running-machinekit-with.html
07:31 AM CNC_Brian: Yes would be nice to have open source controller. I suppose if you have a half decent servo based machine the price of a mesa is small beer
07:31 AM CNC_Brian: Its just us home DIY where it hurts
07:33 AM Loetmichel: there are several open source (or beerware) servo controllers out there. UHU is one that i remember
07:50 AM rmu: stmbl
07:51 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: mesa is open source
07:51 AM rmu: and decent qualtiy hardware is always gonna cost money
08:11 AM CNC_Brian: Mesa is only a small company so happy to support them. The basic card arnt that much money
08:38 AM mozmck: Hmmm, http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/remap/remap.html#_error_handling_dealing_with_abort
08:38 AM mozmck: It says there: "Caution Never use an M2 in a O-word subroutine, including this one. It will cause hard-to-find errors. For instance, using an M2 in a subroutine will not end the subroutine properly and will leave the subroutine NGC file open, not your main program."
08:39 AM mozmck: Yet the example referenced (configs/sim/axis/remap/rack-toolchange) has an m2 in the on_abort.ngc subroutine...
08:46 AM mozmck: I'm not sure that caution against m2 in a subroutine is valid, since I see no mention of such a thing elsewhere, and m2 is used in every external file o-word subroutine I've looked at.
10:38 AM jthornton: I wonder if that is about remap only
11:23 AM Jymmm: DAMN.... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GTK-Waterproof-12V-350AH-Lifepo4-lithium-battery-100A-BMS-4S-12-8V-for-inverter-Solar-energy/32957345357.html
11:27 AM Jymmm: Think it'll power a single led???
11:28 AM pcw_home: it will self-discharge fast enough that a single LED load will be unnoticeable
11:31 AM Jymmm: pcw_home: Really? They don't load their charge?
11:31 AM Jymmm: hold*
11:38 AM pcw_home: just saying that a 20 mA LED is probably less than the self discharge rate
11:39 AM Loetmichel: pcw_home: indeed
11:40 AM Jymmm: pcw_home: Oh, heh, I was just kidding about that =)
11:41 AM Loetmichel: Jymmm: considering i draw up to 7.2 kw from a single 4s 26650 2300mAh Liefopo4 pack...
11:41 AM Jymmm: $1500 battery to power a $0.08 led is a tad much
11:41 AM Loetmichel: i think it will supply a led just fine ;)
11:41 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: you ARE using a iron battery, or ???
11:42 AM Loetmichel: Jymmm: these: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11184&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:42 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: and damn dude, 7KW you are just cloud chasing =)
11:42 AM Loetmichel: my hexacopter (drone) has 6 1.2 kw peak motors... ;)
11:43 AM Loetmichel: and i DO full throttle occasionally
11:43 AM Loetmichel: not for long though
11:43 AM Jymmm: ah
11:43 AM Loetmichel: 3 seconds and its out of sight ;)
11:43 AM Loetmichel: vertically up out of sight ;)
11:43 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: whats the monitor you have it connected to?
11:44 AM Jymmm: Loetmichel: I haven't seen that one before
11:44 AM Loetmichel: it says on the box
11:44 AM Loetmichel: old though
11:44 AM Loetmichel: probably 10 years now
11:44 AM Loetmichel: its just a lipo/lifepo checker
11:44 AM Jymmm: ah
11:44 AM Loetmichel: for "fill" and balancing
11:45 AM Loetmichel: you need something like that when you torture the packs like we model guys do ;)
11:47 AM Loetmichel: thats the drone btw: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
11:48 AM Loetmichel: funny thing is that that little pack can start a 2.5 liters 6cyl diesel no problem at all
11:48 AM Loetmichel: :-)
11:49 AM Loetmichel: (used them as "jumper box" on my car more than one time, the battery in there is old and needs replacement)
11:50 AM Loetmichel: 153 cu.in for our imperial friends
12:10 PM PL7icnc: Q: is there a Rapid override set for Linuxcnc to start on
12:11 PM PL7icnc: its always 100%
12:11 PM PL7icnc: gloops, i dident make it to Ich restplace
12:28 PM CNC_Brian: Guy's what's the hal tool that you use to see al the connections between pins and signals?
12:29 PM CNC_Brian: Got a watch window on it
12:31 PM CNC_Brian: Not scope need a list of all the connections so I can start rewiring
12:36 PM Tom_L: under machine > show hal configuration > show or watch
12:37 PM Tom_L: then open the pin list on the left and select the ones you wanna watch
12:37 PM CNC_Brian: Is that on AXIS
12:37 PM Tom_L: yes
12:37 PM CNC_Brian: Im using my own UI
12:37 PM CNC_Brian: Is there a cli command?
12:38 PM CNC_Brian: Ive got like 4 hal files and it s right mess
12:38 PM Tom_L: probably but i'm not familiar with it
12:38 PM CNC_Brian: Though if I had a concise list
12:39 PM CNC_Brian: Cool thanks anyway for responding
12:40 PM CNC_Brian: Im moving form a parallel card to a mesa, but want to keep some of the connections on the parallel, like coolant, etc
12:40 PM CNC_Brian: Just going to move the motion control first
12:45 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/tools.html#_halshow
12:45 PM Tom_L: maybe
12:45 PM hazzy-m: I haven't been in here much lately, but it seems Ichs Guks hasn't been around lately. Anybody know if he is ok?
12:45 PM tiwake: I feel like blarf today
12:46 PM Tom_L: word is he died
12:46 PM Tom_L: <PL7icnc> gloops, i dident make it to Ich restplace
12:47 PM Tom_L: supposedly PL7icnc took his place at the uni and is reposting some of his videos
12:47 PM hazzy-m: CNC_Brian: I like using `halcmd show pin` so get a list of all the pins
12:48 PM hazzy-m: Tom_L: that is sad news indeed :(
12:48 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/hal/halshow.html
12:48 PM Tom_L: that looks like the cmd interface to it
12:48 PM Tom_L: or maybe not...
12:49 PM Tom_L: one of those should get you close to what you're after though
12:50 PM hazzy-m: `halcmd -s show pin` lists the pins in a format conveniant for use in scripts
12:50 PM Tom_L: is there a page showing halcmd details?
12:53 PM hazzy-m: not sure, but `halcmd -h` is pretty helpful
12:55 PM hazzy-m: you can even use patterns, halcmd show pin halui* to list all the halui pins
01:11 PM CNC_Brian: And Im run-in place do need to do that via rip-environment script.
01:11 PM CNC_Brian: Thanks!!!!
01:23 PM cpresser_ is now known as cpresser
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-m: pm
02:13 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: am
02:17 PM CNC_Brian: Halcmd show signal was what I needed
02:34 PM CNC_Brian: So in hal the motion component is what's driving the position of the joints?
02:35 PM CNC_Brian: And axis.X.motor-pos-cmd is its output?
02:41 PM JT-Shop: sounds about right to me
02:41 PM JT-Shop: CNC_Brian: did you get your parallel port to work?
02:42 PM CNC_Brian: Re-writing my config for my new 7i76!!!!
02:42 PM CNC_Brian: Trying to unpick my horrible hal files
02:44 PM JT-Shop: you got a 7i76E?
02:44 PM CNC_Brian: Ordered it today.
02:45 PM CNC_Brian: 160
02:52 PM JT-Shop: I wonder if pncconf can make a 7i76E config???
02:55 PM CNC_Brian: Never tried pnconf
02:56 PM CNC_Brian: Hand bashing it at the moment.
02:56 PM CNC_Brian: Probably get in a terrible mess and have to use it though
02:57 PM CNC_Brian: Just normalising all the net names to I can see what they do
03:14 PM CNC_Brian: Had a good play with the qtpyvcp probe basic, but it didn't seem to work very well.
03:15 PM CNC_Brian: It opens the UI 2" down and in from the top left corner of the screen that you cant drag it. Very strange
03:16 PM CNC_Brian: Probing screens look nice, but don't seem to work.
03:16 PM CNC_Brian: Seems a lot of work to get them production
03:18 PM CNC_Brian: Probably got the wrong version of the modules installed
03:27 PM JT-Shop: CNC_Brian: try my bp_touch
03:28 PM JT-Shop: https://github.com/jethornton/bp_touch
03:28 PM JT-Shop: it only works with V0.2.0 or newer because it uses the data channels
04:00 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest94769
04:18 PM Deejay: gn8
04:41 PM jthornton: CNC_Brian: I just tried probe basic and it took a bit before you could drag it, dunno why it is not at 0,0 from the start
04:49 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: AH HA!!!! Now I know why you paint your fingernails... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Jakcom-N2-Smart-Nail-New-Product-Of-Fixed-Wireless-Terminals-As-Rtu-Scada-Jack-Convertor-Lora/32826336588.html
04:49 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: (watch the video)
05:05 PM BitEvil is now known as SpeedEvil
05:21 PM Tom_L: Jymmm what does the middle finger do?
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: brings new meaning to swipe and go
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: might market better than my smart underpants system
05:39 PM Tom_L: does 2.8 master use RTAI anymore or is it strictly preempt-rt?
05:40 PM jthornton: you can still use RTAI with any version AFAIK
05:41 PM jthornton: but not with uspace
05:41 PM Tom_L: would wheezy be updateable to it?
05:41 PM Tom_L: i thought about putting master on my mill pc
05:42 PM jthornton: it?
05:42 PM Tom_L: wheezy
05:42 PM Tom_L: putting master on wheezy
05:42 PM jthornton: you can run master on ubuntu 8 if you want
05:43 PM Tom_L: i just didn't wanna screw up what i have on it because it works good
05:43 PM jthornton: going to build a RIP?
05:43 PM Tom_L: didn't have that in mind rather eventually replacing 2.7 on the mill to 2.8
05:44 PM jthornton: ah I see
05:44 PM jthornton: that should just be a change in your repositories
05:44 PM Tom_L: got a few nice additions i think
05:44 PM Tom_L: that's it?
05:45 PM Tom_L: i may load up a different hdd until i'm sure it works ok
05:45 PM jthornton: if your going to do that then just install it http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/
05:45 PM Tom_L: the configs are a little different aren't they?
05:46 PM jthornton: that's what I do put a second drive in with the new os and start there
05:46 PM Tom_L: started snowing about an hour ago
05:46 PM jthornton: Andy's tool updates the configuration files the first run
05:46 PM jthornton: keep it over there lol
05:46 PM Tom_L: really don't mind sharing
05:47 PM jthornton: I've seen all the snow I need to see in my life time
05:47 PM Tom_L: you gettin rain?
05:47 PM jthornton: going to build a QtPyVCP?
05:48 PM Tom_L: that's above my pay grade atm
05:48 PM jthornton: yea rain started a couple of hours ago kinda light
05:48 PM jthornton: pretty simple really
05:48 PM Tom_L: looks like you're right on the edge of rain/snow
05:48 PM jthornton: ?me give Tom_L a raise
05:48 PM * jthornton gives Tom_L a raise
05:52 PM jthornton: damn gedit has slowly progressed to crap
05:52 PM Tom_L: i noticed that
05:54 PM jthornton: it's the only one I can find that shows spaces and tabs
05:54 PM Tom_L: did you ever try notepadqq?
05:54 PM jthornton: I can't remember lol
05:54 PM Tom_L: i loaded it but haven't done much editing on that pc lately
05:54 PM Tom_L: https://notepadqq.com/s/
05:55 PM jthornton: I'm so far behind the 8 ball on data I can't click on anything after 8am lol
05:56 PM Tom_L: maybe you should go tap into the tower again
05:56 PM jthornton: the tower is long gone lol
05:56 PM Tom_L: :( i thought it was just the neighbor that was
05:56 PM jthornton: I have no options anymore except a worse sat connection with puhuges net
05:57 PM Tom_L: yeah that doesn't look very good
05:57 PM jthornton: he sued them to remove the tower and won
05:57 PM jthornton: puhuges net is a rip off
05:57 PM Tom_L: yup
05:59 PM jthornton: damn finally got filezilla to not open a text file for editing in librea office....
06:03 PM jthornton: now if I can figure out why I get Access denied for user at dreamhost for my new store location...
06:05 PM Tom_L: you still get unlimited at night?
06:05 PM jthornton: 3am to 8am
06:06 PM jthornton: early bird special lol
06:06 PM Tom_L: run a scheduler
06:06 PM Tom_L: if that's even a thing
06:07 PM jthornton: that's not the problem, I sometimes forget to close a web page that uses a lot of data over and over lol
06:07 PM jthornton: burned up 5GB in a day at the start of the month
06:08 PM jthornton: if I want to download a video or something I do it during free time
06:10 PM jthornton: what really sucks is there is obumble fiber not 1.6 miles from my house but it's not connected to anything
06:11 PM Tom_L: who put that in?
06:11 PM jthornton: some contractor that got a grant from obumble
06:12 PM jthornton: fiber along side most major roads not used lol
06:13 PM jthornton: almost time for the chicken door to close and me to put on my chef hat lol
06:13 PM Tom_L: yeah i've got a few chores to do before i kick my feet up
06:14 PM jthornton: I'm ready to relax, damn hard day cutting wood today
06:16 PM jthornton: say goodnight Gracie
06:47 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest97356
07:19 PM MacGalempsy: good evening
07:24 PM CaptHindsight: how is Amazon getting more popular yet their product searches are far worse than ever
07:49 PM MacGalempsy: remember when you could not sort by price on amazon? they have never been great at finding things.
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: who makes an opaque tape ~1/2 wide, foil or similar, real sticky/high adhesion?
07:58 PM Tom_L: if anybody does it would be 3M -> Scotch brand
08:00 PM Tom_L: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/vhb-tapes-us/
08:00 PM Tom_L: maybe
08:00 PM Tom_L: that's more foam i think
08:00 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: kapyton tape?
08:01 PM Tom_L: that's high temp
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-Foil-Tape-1-2-In-x-5-Yd-Silver-TAPECASE-15C649-/222483157838
08:01 PM Tom_L: and rather expensive
08:01 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: foil duct tape?
08:01 PM Tom_L: HVAC industry?
08:01 PM Jymmm: I can't do ebay right now
08:02 PM Tom_L: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/All-3M-Products/Adhesives-Tapes/Industrial-Adhesives-and-Tapes/?N=5002385+8710676+8710815+8711017+3294857497&rt=r3
08:03 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Aluminum-Foil-Tape-431/?N=5002385+3293241743&preselect=5005621+8710676+8710815+4294960705&rt=rud
08:04 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: needs to stick well and block light completely
08:04 PM Tom_L: hvac aluminum tape would suit the bill
08:05 PM CaptHindsight: 1/2 wide
08:05 PM Jymmm: 2" wide
08:05 PM Tom_L: typically not
08:05 PM CaptHindsight: trying to avoid having to split a wide roll
08:05 PM Jymmm: and that's what I first suggested... foil DUCT (hvac) tape
08:05 PM CaptHindsight: but really really sticky
08:05 PM Jymmm: Yes, meant to go on hot ducts
08:06 PM Tom_L: compare the glue they use in the one you linked to HVAC tape
08:06 PM CaptHindsight: probably will have to add some epoxy to be sure it stays
08:06 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: on what?
08:06 PM CaptHindsight: HDPE, 10-40 C
08:06 PM Tom_L: that stuff sticks pretty good
08:06 PM Jymmm: whats 10-40C?
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: maybe i just used cheap brands of foil tape before
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: temp range
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: 50f - 110f
08:07 PM Jymmm: Of hell yes, it'll stick. IT's meant to HOT ducts
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: a good brand
08:07 PM Jymmm: 3m
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: 3m
08:07 PM CaptHindsight: all done searching tonight
08:08 PM Tom_L: https://3m.citrination.com/pif/000100?locale=en-US
08:08 PM Tom_L: Temperature Use Range -54 to 149 C
08:08 PM CaptHindsight: yeah the 431
08:08 PM CaptHindsight: or a silicone adhesive
08:08 PM Tom_L: Adhesive Acrylic
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: acrylic liquids may come in contact with it
08:09 PM CaptHindsight: silicone adhesive would be better
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: " not intended for medical usage"
08:10 PM CaptHindsight: emergency splint
08:11 PM Tom_L: Most aluminum trailer skins are now attached using VHB because it's actually stronger than rivets.
08:11 PM Jymmm: VHB?
08:11 PM Tom_L: 3M VHB
08:11 PM Tom_L: a product i imagine
08:11 PM CaptHindsight: auto body is going that way for repair
08:12 PM CaptHindsight: I'm old fashion and still TIG weld my seams
08:13 PM Tom_L: Ultra High Bond or Very High Bond (UHB/VHB) double-sided tape
08:13 PM Tom_L: jymmmmmmmm
08:14 PM CaptHindsight: I bet once they force self driving electric cars on us to rent they will all be plastic vs metal
08:15 PM Tom_L: toxic too so when the batteries short it will kill you for sure
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: plastic and aluminum
08:15 PM CaptHindsight: yeah but accidents won't happen anymore, "eye roll"
08:17 PM Tom_L: it's too thick and double sided but body trim tape would fit the bill
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: I guess just going for a ride in the car will be like going horseback riding today...
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: just for fun if you have the road/trails
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: "oh Lyft, take me on a semi circular route for 60 minutes"
08:20 PM CaptHindsight: "passenger identified as suspicious, alert social reeducation authority"
08:22 PM flyback: Tom_L, btw
08:22 PM flyback: crc qd electronic cleaner which I have bought $100's of
08:22 PM flyback: and it plastic safe like they say
08:23 PM flyback: will temp take VHB auto tape right off
08:25 PM flyback: so keep crc qd away from glues and bearings
08:25 PM flyback: unless it's a refillable bearing youa re going to immediatelhy reoil or repack
08:49 PM tivoi: hi all room
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: have anything that is a floor polish and a dessert topping? :)
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: https://view.yahoo.com/show/saturday-night-live/clip/40020440/shimmer-floor-wax
10:15 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: twinkees
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: synthetic food product
10:35 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: cool whip? redi whip?