#linuxcnc Logs
Feb 11 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:26 AM miss0r: mornin'
12:30 AM XXCoder: hey
01:51 AM gloops: ok, best way to do this -
01:52 AM XXCoder: is to do it
01:52 AM gloops: i want to cut the same slot in many pieces of wood, just a straight line, the woods cant be mounted on the table all at once, its one at a time
01:53 AM XXCoder: is it always same distance off one side in least?
01:53 AM gloops: so i can set some stops up and quickly change the bits of wood thats easy
01:53 AM gloops: XXCoder yeah same sizes every time
01:53 AM gloops: what i DONT want to do is run the cut, it ends and machines goes back to 0,0
01:54 AM gloops: i want it to wait just above the cutting position
01:54 AM XXCoder: change gcode
01:54 AM gloops: to what?
01:54 AM XXCoder: is cutting start location at part 0,0?
01:55 AM XXCoder: also dpaste last few lines so I can be sure
01:55 AM gloops: well ill touch of there yes, but at the end of a code my machine goes back to global 0
01:55 AM gloops: i havent made the code yet, ill get back with it when im ready
01:55 AM XXCoder: since it sounds like very short program as well as dpaste whole thing
01:56 AM gloops: so i want the machine to wait at g54 0s?
01:57 AM gloops: its like the machine home is 2 ft away from the start of the cut, i dont want to travel that back and forth every time
01:57 AM XXCoder: if you dont want it to go back and forth you could do m0 to switch parts then it can return to start cutting new part
01:58 AM XXCoder: careful with spindle or you have it still on with changeover - one less finger risk
01:58 AM gloops: yeah thats another thing, it would save a lot of time if spindle doesnt shut down
01:58 AM gloops: but also increase the risk..
01:59 AM XXCoder: yeah you could acciently hit tool with plank and shit happens
02:00 AM gloops: i could send it clear of the wood change to one side, i thought of G4 pause but if anything happens changing the wood ill miss the start
02:00 AM gloops: M0 is like a tool change?
02:01 AM XXCoder: no its stop and wait for you to resume
02:01 AM gloops: ill look into M0 anyway
02:01 AM XXCoder: if you dont stop spindle it will still spinning
02:01 AM XXCoder: dangerous
02:01 AM gloops: that sounds a good bet, is there a 'goto' in g-code?
02:01 AM XXCoder: g98 and 99
02:01 AM Loetmichel: M0 is "pause until you hit the pause key in the GUI
02:01 AM XXCoder: function call
02:02 AM Loetmichel: i would use a tool change
02:02 AM Loetmichel: just make two tools identical, use one before and one after the wood change
02:02 AM gloops: so i could do an M0 at the end of the cut, then a goto line 1 after that, the code will just run again
02:02 AM gloops: with a line to send z to max height and just to the side so im clear to change the wood
02:03 AM Loetmichel: ahem, just end the program if you just want to repeat it
02:03 AM Loetmichel: and press R or play when restarting
02:03 AM Loetmichel: program end would be M30 ;)
02:03 AM gloops: Loetmichel if i end program the machine goes back 2ft to home - i dont want that
02:03 AM Loetmichel: hmmm
02:03 AM Loetmichel: deactivate that function ;)
02:03 AM gloops: how?
02:04 AM Loetmichel: mine doesnt do that, so it there has to be a switch to shut it off
02:04 AM gloops: it takes longer to home and back than it would to do the cut
02:04 AM Loetmichel: or is your postprocessor putting a "home" in at the end?
02:05 AM gloops: ahh never looked at that, ill check it in a while
02:05 AM gloops: but also end program stops spindle - another 20 seconds waiting for spindle at speed
02:35 AM Deejay: moin
02:46 AM CNC_Brian: Guy's any python experts online?
02:56 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: just ask
02:57 AM CNC_Brian: Im tweeting PathPilot interface t use on my PM25, Im a .Net programmer so python is a bit different
02:59 AM CNC_Brian: Got an issue where the reset button is staying blue due to machine_state no going into referenced after I ref all the axis
03:02 AM CNC_Brian: Code is called from a script then another python file so not sure what the best method is??
03:03 AM CNC_Brian: Operator_Console.sh -> pathpilotmanager.py -> Tormach_mill_ui.py
03:10 AM Loetmichel: gloops: my spindle starts and stops in 2 seconds
03:10 AM Loetmichel: the benefits of finetuning the VFD parameters ;)
03:10 AM Loetmichel: (it DOES occasionally goes into "IF overvoltage" error now though) ;)
03:11 AM gloops: from 0 - like 18000 rpm Loetmichel? i left the default settings for spindle accel to save the bearings
03:13 AM Loetmichel: 24kRPM
03:13 AM Loetmichel: yes, ~1 second 0 to 24k, ~2secs 24k to 0
03:14 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: i don't know path pilot, but it seems you don't have python problem
03:16 AM CNC_Brian: Im trying ipdb
03:18 AM Loetmichel: gloops: it IS a borderline setting though
03:18 AM Loetmichel: you can hear the spindel "protest" at spindown ;)
03:19 AM Loetmichel: like throwing ot an anchor ;)
03:23 AM Loetmichel: hey, anyone any idea what type number those two full metal kingston thumbdrives on the left upper corner have? i need some more but cant seem to find them on Ebay... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=16268&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
03:48 AM Loetmichel: found it already.
04:11 AM jthornton: morning
04:11 AM XXCoder: good morning
04:11 AM XXCoder: more snow yay I guess lol
04:11 AM XXCoder: dont seem very likely i will go to workl
04:12 AM jthornton: I was going to ask about the snow
04:12 AM XXCoder: snow added couple inches
04:12 AM XXCoder: and might finally stop for good on wed
04:15 AM jthornton: geez I used 0.2GB of data while I was sleeping WTF
04:16 AM jthornton: prob trying to get my cameras working on the laptop
04:17 AM * Loetmichel forgets things... anyone knows how to do "mill out corners" for inside pockets/cutouts in CamBam?
05:18 AM Tom_L: gloops, run it in a subroutine and repeat the number of pieces you have with a M0 or M1 between
05:19 AM Tom_L: just move the cutter out of the way to change material in the sub
05:19 AM Tom_L: rain.
05:22 AM Tom_L: gloops, that or set up a G54 in your code and set zero close to where you want the change to be
05:28 AM jelly-home is now known as jelly
06:12 AM CNC_Brian: Possibly a silly question, but what file is the linuxcnc python in? My code is failing to import it.
06:13 AM CNC_Brian: I cant see a linuxcnc.py file anywhere
06:15 AM jthornton: the python interface?
06:21 AM CNC_Brian: Yes, Im trying to write some code to drive linuxcnc, but the import is failing and I can see the file linuxcnc.py anywhere.
06:22 AM CNC_Brian: Im not a python programmer so forgive me if Im being daft. Was expecting just to put the linuxcnc.py file in my PYTHONPATH
06:28 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: did you look at src/emc/usr_intf/* ?
06:31 AM CNC_Brian: Thats all c files
06:32 AM rmu: look into subdirs
06:33 AM CNC_Brian: Ive compiled linux cnc and running it I'm-place so maybe that the problem
06:36 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: look at existing user interfaces to see how they are implemented. i didn't want to suggest that a linuxcnc.py exists or you would find it there
06:37 AM CNC_Brian: Apparently is a linuxcnc.so file??
06:37 AM CNC_Brian: A python extension written is a proper language :-)
06:38 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: what makes you think a linuxcnc python module exists
06:39 AM CNC_Brian: All the UI's are python so must be some glue in there somewhere
06:43 AM jthornton: if you have a RIP you must set the environment in the terminal or it can't find linuxcnc
06:44 AM jthornton: then import linuxcnc will fail if you don't have the environment set
06:46 AM rmu: CNC_Brian: run something like ". path/to/linuxcnc/script/rip-environment"
06:47 AM jthornton: yep you gotta do . ./scripts/rip-environment
06:47 AM jthornton: and linuxcnc must be running for the connection to work
06:48 AM CNC_Brian: Im using WING IDE and have aset the PYTHONPATH
06:49 AM CNC_Brian: Have seen mention of rip will google it now as I have no idea.
06:49 AM * jthornton has never seen wing ide or tried to set the pythonpath
06:49 AM jthornton: how did you install linuxcnc
06:49 AM CNC_Brian: Built if from source.
06:49 AM CNC_Brian: Run in place
06:50 AM jthornton: RIP is Run In Place which means you cloned linuxcnc the build it in the directory you cloned to
06:50 AM jthornton: the / then
06:50 AM jthornton: then built lol
06:50 AM jthornton: can't type worth a shit this morning
06:51 AM CNC_Brian: Thought you had a chicken on the keyboard
06:51 AM jthornton: they won't come inside the house, they make me go out to them lol
06:51 AM CNC_Brian: Will run the script and see what happens
07:12 AM CNC_Brian: OK Have tested the build with Axis and the sim is working.
07:12 AM CNC_Brian: Still having problems with my python script. Is now complaining it cant find libnmi.so.0
07:19 AM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/ your script
08:33 AM Net|: https://netpipe.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/image.png new wind turbine concept with ropes
08:54 AM methods_: hmmm all these years i've been calling them wind mills
09:04 AM Elmo40: methods_, they don't mill anything anymore...
09:04 AM Elmo40: Net|, interesting photo you have, IMG_3893.jpg
09:04 AM Elmo40: This is all medicinal? ;-)
09:12 AM CaptHindsight: methods_: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/bc/63/3dbc634df3baa5316c09eebf525371f8.jpg maybe these?
09:13 AM CaptHindsight: https://cdn2.veltra.com/ptr/20120725070439_1575418337_2589_0.jpg pretty sure these are used to covert lumber into clothing like shoes
09:14 AM Elmo40: CaptHindsight, the first one is a pump
09:14 AM Elmo40: second one could be either a pump or mill, but i'm sure it is a pump.
09:15 AM CaptHindsight: this is a pump http://s7a9x8y9.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/skishallowellmal2-1.jpg
09:16 AM methods_: CaptHindsight: yeah one of those
09:16 AM CaptHindsight: wind doesn't go up and down :)
09:16 AM methods_: just add ropes
09:16 AM methods_: and some soiled sheets
09:17 AM CaptHindsight: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/cd/1c/92cd1cde179773dc45edbbbbfe294473.jpg
09:17 AM CaptHindsight: maybe what they are up to
09:17 AM methods_: heheh
09:17 AM methods_: soiling their underwear
09:18 AM methods_: another day at the office
09:20 AM CaptHindsight: windmill or 4-way sails?
09:20 AM CaptHindsight: to catch wind from all 4 directions
09:21 AM methods_: i wonder why old ship captains didnt' think of that
09:21 AM methods_: they could have sailed in any direction
09:21 AM methods_: simultaneously
09:21 AM CaptHindsight: save time
09:21 AM CaptHindsight: get there and back all at once
09:21 AM methods_: exactly
09:23 AM methods_: look at this new wind turbine concept
09:23 AM methods_: http://www.clotheslines.com/Shared/images/product/First-Lady-Rotary-Outdoor-Washing-Line/StewiFirstLadyUmbrellaClothesline.jpg
09:23 AM CaptHindsight: much better
09:24 AM methods_: someone misnamed it
09:24 AM methods_: rotary outdoor washing line
09:24 AM methods_: i like to call it a laundry drying turbine
09:24 AM CaptHindsight: makes sure the sails are dry on both sides
09:25 AM methods_: eco friendly
09:25 AM CaptHindsight: wet sails weigh down the boats
09:26 AM CaptHindsight: why boats keep water on the bottom
09:26 AM methods_: yeah they don't do well when they get water on the top
09:27 AM methods_: unless you're going for the whole submarine thing
09:27 AM CaptHindsight: why they don't make windmills from submarines
09:27 AM CaptHindsight: but I don't want to get ahead of myself
09:28 AM methods_: yeah too much pioneering in one day is bad
09:29 AM methods_: i don't think the human race can handle all this innovation in one dose
09:29 AM CaptHindsight: I once saw an old Errol Flynn movie where the sail went up and down on a boat
09:30 AM methods_: they had to play the movies on something on the boat
09:30 AM methods_: you can't just leave the movie screen up all day
09:30 AM CaptHindsight: duh, makes sense now
09:30 AM methods_: no pirating would get done
09:31 AM CaptHindsight: is that why they call it pirating movies?
09:31 AM methods_: hah
09:32 AM Elmo40: anyone drive a laser machine with LinuxCNC ?
09:32 AM methods_: Fox host says he 'hasn't washed hands in 10 years'
09:32 AM methods_: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47201923
09:32 AM methods_: wow
09:33 AM roycroft: i haven't washed my hands in minutes
09:33 AM methods_: lol
09:35 AM roycroft: i'm going to take a big leap here and assume that this faux news person is a christian
09:35 AM CaptHindsight: Elmo40: I do mostly with galvo heads. Faster scanning, fewer moving parts and mass
09:35 AM roycroft: so he believes in a deity that he cannot see
09:35 AM roycroft: but does not believe in pathogens that he cannot see
09:36 AM methods_: you can't argue with that logic
09:36 AM methods_: literally
09:37 AM methods_: i mean you can but i doubt anything will get solved
09:38 AM CaptHindsight: lords work in mysterious way
09:38 AM Elmo40: CaptHindsight, are you talking about scanning items with lasers?
09:38 AM Elmo40: or laser etching/cutting?
09:39 AM CaptHindsight: etch/cut/sinter
09:43 AM CaptHindsight: Elmo40: https://imgur.com/a/da9m3EC laser top right, glavo top left
09:45 AM CaptHindsight: http://www.holidays.net/mlk/store/img-large/cambridge-6200h-miniature-laser-galvanometer-xy-scanset-galvo-scanner-visible_253971667149.jpg
09:47 AM CaptHindsight: http://lnalaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/galvomirrors.gif
09:48 AM CaptHindsight: methods_: opinion based "facts" vs facts
09:49 AM CaptHindsight: popular opinion
09:51 AM CaptHindsight: Elmo40: moving a small laser or the optics on a Cartesian stage is very similar to milling or plasma cutting setup
09:52 AM CaptHindsight: Elmo40: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ZF01KXXXXXa_XVXXq6xXFXXX0/Flatbed-co2-laser-cutting-machine-mechanical-parts-whole-kit-for-DIY-X-Y-stages-of-CO2.jpg
09:53 AM CaptHindsight: http://public.iorodeo.com/docs/laser_cutter/_images/stage_1.png
09:53 AM CaptHindsight: belt drives but on the flimsy side
09:54 AM CaptHindsight: http://public.iorodeo.com/docs/laser_cutter/stage_build.html
09:56 AM CaptHindsight: that light t-slot frame is going to twist if the head moves too quickly
09:59 AM _abc_: hi. Can someone say if they're using a PCI-E adapter to serial or parallel port with simple
09:59 AM _abc_: "parallel port" linxucnc motor drivers?
09:59 AM CaptHindsight: yes
10:00 AM CaptHindsight: PCIe to LPT
10:00 AM _abc_: Worky? What controller chip? I am looking at a cheap adapter might grab it, it is reduced at a local shop.
10:00 AM CaptHindsight: the PC is the controller with LCNC
10:00 AM _abc_: CaptHindsight: Does it map to a normal parallel port usable by linuxcnc or did you have to install drivers?
10:01 AM CaptHindsight: do you mean which LPT chip?
10:01 AM _abc_: And are you using the normal live/distribution of linuxcnc or custom linux + installed linuxcnc?
10:01 AM _abc_: Yes what IC is on the pcb or what VID:PID in dmesg
10:01 AM CaptHindsight: it works with the LiveCD
10:02 AM _abc_: ok
10:02 AM _abc_: thanks
10:03 AM CaptHindsight: but I also use my own Lcnc builds with a fork of RTAI.org
10:03 AM CaptHindsight: for software stepping you can use any PCIe --> LPT card
10:04 AM CaptHindsight: not USB --> LPT
10:05 AM CaptHindsight: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NetMos is one LPT card
10:06 AM CaptHindsight: this oner needs a kernel patch http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WCH
10:06 AM CaptHindsight: oner/one
10:07 AM CaptHindsight: kernel driver is missing the ID for the single LPT port version
10:08 AM CaptHindsight: _abc_: so PC --> PCIe --> LPT card --> Break out board (BOB) --> stepper driver --> stepper motor
10:13 AM _abc_: yes, thanks CaptHindsight, I never used a PCIe connected parallel adapter before with linux, I had to ask.
10:13 AM _abc_: Is the card generic? The PCIe adapter? I found one which has 2x serial 1x paralle on the same card, for ~20EUR.
10:14 AM _abc_: Did you pay a lot more than that? CaptHindsight
10:14 AM CaptHindsight: _abc_: the only catch is some of the older Moschip cards have issues with EPP mode...
10:14 AM _abc_: Ick I already have a buggy moschip PCI (non e) to 2xserial and 1xparallel
10:14 AM CaptHindsight: that is only a problem when LPT is used to connect to an FPGA card
10:14 AM _abc_: Which chip do you have? What vid:pid?
10:15 AM _abc_: Yeah I need it for linuxcnc and also connecting various programmers
10:16 AM CaptHindsight: I have it written down somewhere
10:17 AM CaptHindsight: nearest LCNC box is off right now
10:18 AM CaptHindsight: void the 9805 and 9815 chips
10:18 AM CaptHindsight: avoid
10:19 AM _abc_: Ok, thanks
10:20 AM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/33581-introduction-and-extremely-basic-questions#102070
10:21 AM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/32135-pci-e-parallel-port
10:26 AM _abc_: ok, I get it, thanks. Going to have to check the chipset on the board physically, there is not enough info on the website.
10:28 AM CaptHindsight: need to update the wiki
11:43 AM sensille: Loetmichel: you mentioned a cheap kind of pump to use for a vaccuum table to me some time ago. which one would you recommend?
11:44 AM jym: shopvac?
11:44 AM Loetmichel: indeed
11:45 AM SpeedEvil: Some bleed air is needed - you don't want to totally shut off the vacuum for long periods.
11:45 AM Loetmichel: you dont need that high a pressure. -0.3 bar (which a better shopvac can do) is already 3 metric tons pressure on the square meter
11:46 AM Loetmichel: but you need lots of volume if you cut thru sheet metal
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: (or the motor will melt)
11:46 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: depends on the shopvac
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: true
11:46 AM Loetmichel: most have independant motor cooling because they are able to suck up water
11:46 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: If you shopvac catches fire, then add more bleed air.
11:46 AM Loetmichel: so no bleed air needed with those
11:47 AM jym: hands out marshmlows
11:47 AM Loetmichel: just look if there is still air comming our of the motor cooling part when you block the vaccum hose
11:47 AM Loetmichel: then you are good
11:47 AM Loetmichel: i use a 30 eur shopvac for it
11:48 AM SpeedEvil: yeah
11:48 AM Loetmichel: and it does 8 hour stretches of holding workpieces down no problem ;)
11:48 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: I wonder how well that style of motor would cope with daisy-chaining
11:51 AM Loetmichel: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Nassauger-Trockensauger-Staubsauger-Industriesauger-Nass-Trockensauger-Sauger/302522220993
11:51 AM Loetmichel: interesting, it got twice as pricey as it was when i bought it ;)
11:51 AM Loetmichel: last year
11:52 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: daisy chaining?
11:52 AM fragalot: hey
11:52 AM SpeedEvil: Loetmichel: If the motor is not cooled by the airflow, then you can attach a couple in series for >>0.3 bar
11:52 AM Loetmichel: ah
11:53 AM SpeedEvil: (perhaps requiring an intercooler)
11:53 AM Loetmichel: should work. but i doubt the gray bottom part would cope well with double the "underpressure"
11:53 AM SpeedEvil: yeah - the motor is the hard part though
11:53 AM Loetmichel: look at the ebay link
11:53 AM Loetmichel: if i had two i could test it
11:54 AM Loetmichel: because the Motor has a "blow hole"
11:54 AM SpeedEvil: hmm
11:54 AM Loetmichel: so you serialize them quite easy
11:54 AM Loetmichel: i think it will destroy the dirt tank of the first one though
11:57 AM SpeedEvil: I have used a plastic 555 gallon drum as a shopvac tank before, with mild internal bracing - worked well
11:57 AM SpeedEvil: A few strategic rings to prevent buckling.
11:58 AM SpeedEvil: ^55
11:58 AM SpeedEvil: Actually - more like 20
11:58 AM Loetmichel: that tank is made of ~2mm thick PE
11:58 AM Loetmichel: it already flexes visibly inwards when you block the hose on ONE shopvac ;)
11:58 AM SpeedEvil: https://oipps.co.uk/120-l-plastic-blue-open-top-keg-un?gclid=Cj0KCQiA14TjBRD_ARIsAOCmO9bc6IQbvwB-G9_CdDg6ov_vqFshhBwqwrgKHG7KxUnK0gAB2GG3G9UaAoGdEALw_wcB - yeah - these
11:59 AM SpeedEvil: A few rings and it worked well
11:59 AM Loetmichel: you can even see the wheely go "X legs"
11:59 AM Loetmichel: :-)
12:02 PM sensille: ah, that's easy. might just divert some air flow to build a succion for the chips
12:02 PM sensille: don't want them all around the room
12:04 PM * Tom_L blows the lunch whistle
12:05 PM sensille: i'm not very happy with the spoilboard taped on with double sided tape
12:13 PM sensille: Loetmichel: vaccuum table from wood or aluminum?
12:13 PM Tom_L: either would do
12:14 PM Tom_L: wood is more porus
12:14 PM SpeedEvil: Not if you paint it.
12:15 PM Tom_L: that was gonna be my next suggestion but i was on the phone
12:21 PM sensille: i guess the vacuum table should cover the whole bed, but the holes only need to cover the millable area
12:23 PM sensille: and you really but an mdf board on top and suck through it?
12:24 PM sensille: s/but/put
01:27 PM jym: MY HVAC went out a coupel days ago, been running on emergency propane heat
01:28 PM jym: I JUST got into the cabinet, Blew a 50A fuse, the contactor needs to be replaced for sure, but how to do you/test if the capacitor is bad?
01:29 PM jym: s/you/know/
01:32 PM jthornton: start cap?
01:33 PM jym: jthornton: I'm guessing so. Googled some saying that the "cap" is a common repair issue
01:33 PM jym: ...in hvac units
01:37 PM lostinsip: hey, has anyone used linuxcnc with the hardware from CNC RouterParts?
01:38 PM jym: jthornton: I'm just trying to save a $800 service call if it's something simple. But I don't know jack about HVAC
01:38 PM lostinsip: They use Mach3 as standard like many others but would like to know anyones experiences?
01:39 PM lostinsip: hi jym whats the HVAC issue I know a bit
01:40 PM -!- #linuxcnc mode set to +v by ChanServ
01:43 PM jym: lostinsipNot sure yet. Went out the other day, on emergency propane heat right now. 50A fuse was blown, just got into the cbainet and the contactor needs to be replaced for sure, other than that just don't know where to start troubleshooting.
01:43 PM jym: lostinsip: The 50A fuse blew for a reason, don't know why.
01:43 PM Wolf__: just swap out the starter cap/s they are cheap enough to not bother testing
01:43 PM cradek: agree
01:43 PM lostinsip: this is on a compessor driven system rather than direct electric elements?
01:43 PM cradek: why does the contactor need to be replaced?
01:43 PM jym: Wolf__: But, I don't know if that's the cause of the problem, it was just a place to start troubleshooting
01:43 PM cradek: sounds like a heat pump
01:43 PM lostinsip: i missed the first bit!
01:43 PM jym: cradek: oh it's fried! I replacd the 50A fuse and I could see flames and smoke for that split second.
01:43 PM lostinsip: yeah if its a single phase heatpump it could be the motor caps
01:43 PM Wolf__: thats how hvac guys trouble shoot, toss the cap in, check contactor, cycle system to see what to check next
01:43 PM lostinsip: or a locked motor
01:43 PM jym: cradek: I JUST got into the cbainet today, it really doens't look bad, other than the fried contacts on the contactor
01:44 PM jym: cradek: Yes, it's a heat pump system.
01:44 PM lostinsip: it sounds like either the start cap has failed so the motor wont turn or something jamming the motor (less likley)
01:44 PM Wolf__: and of course check freon levels and hope the compressor isnt locked up
01:45 PM lostinsip: ^^
01:45 PM jym: There are also heater elements in it (20A each times 4) if one of those shorted out could be another reason
01:45 PM lostinsip: yeah indeed, do you have a test meter?
01:45 PM jym: lostinsip: I do have a fluke
01:46 PM lostinsip: to check the resistance of the elements, and ideally the insulation value to ground?
01:46 PM jym: lostinsip: can do that.
01:46 PM Wolf__: super cold when it died?
01:46 PM lostinsip: with a standard fluke check the resistance of each element, and if there is continuity to the ground/case of the equipment
01:47 PM lostinsip: obviously with the main breaker off!!
01:47 PM jym: lostinsip: I don't know IF that's the issue, just a possibilty
01:47 PM jym: Wolf__: Not more than any cold winter (about 35F)
01:47 PM lostinsip: well if its taken out a 50A device then its either a short or a locked/non starting compressor motor
01:48 PM lostinsip: do you have a wiring diagram/schematic?
01:48 PM jym: I think I do, let me try to upload it
01:49 PM lostinsip: ok cool it would be good to look
01:49 PM lostinsip: I am an electrical engineer but not a specialist in HVAC
01:49 PM lostinsip: I work on solar and hydro mainly!
01:50 PM Wolf__: aux heaters on the heat pump kick on at <35F, pulling high delta or defrost mode (unit depending) typically
01:51 PM Wolf__: so might be worth looking at the heat coils as well
01:51 PM lostinsip: ^^
01:51 PM jym: Wolf__: I don't know what "high delta" is, but this unit goes into defrost mode <45F
01:51 PM Wolf__: or just push the compressor contactor in and see if it runs
01:52 PM jym: Wolf__: NUH UH =)
01:52 PM jym: Wolf__: That sucker is toasty
01:52 PM lostinsip: Wolf__: that might be scary if there is a dead cap or a locked rotor
01:52 PM Wolf__: will just pop the fuse lol
01:52 PM jym: I saw fire thru the cracks of the cover
01:53 PM jym: Wolf__: I'm 30 miles from the nearest store
01:53 PM lostinsip: but could be alarming during the clearing time
01:55 PM Wolf__: guess being welder and also working secondary power service tech for a utility contractor that stuff doesnt bother me as much lol
01:56 PM lostinsip: yeah i guess it depends on your experience of electric arcs!
01:56 PM lostinsip: wouldnt bother me either
01:57 PM Nick001-shop: Besides the cost, is there an advantage of using a capacitor type encoder over an optical disk encoder?
01:58 PM lostinsip: optical encoders can be prone to dirt contamination errors
01:58 PM lostinsip: certainly the linear ones need to be kept clean to avoid errors
01:58 PM Nick001-shop: rotary encoder
01:59 PM lostinsip: i think the same could apply if its on a machine that could contaminate it
01:59 PM jym: HVAC wiring diagrams https://imgur.com/a/kuR6tnU
02:00 PM lostinsip: thanks jym
02:00 PM jym: Going to take a pic of contactor, brb...
02:01 PM Nick001-shop: machine is using coolant but the encoders are under a cover at the rear of the motor connecter to a rear shaft
02:02 PM Nick001-shop: connected
02:03 PM lostinsip: its probably fine with optical
02:03 PM lostinsip: its a similar argument with magnetic vs optical for linear transducers, optical is lower cost and fine as long as they are protected
02:13 PM jym: lostinsip: More photos are uploading...
02:13 PM jym: just being realy slow
02:14 PM jym is now known as Jymmm
02:14 PM Nick001-shop: OK- thanks - have 2 115VDC motors marked PWM- I assume I can drive them with an AMC motion controller? They currently have a pot control box but thats no good for a spindle.
02:15 PM lostinsip: Nick001-shop: sorry pass on this im not an expert in motion control but
02:19 PM miss0r: for some reason I have a plastic MT2-MT4 converter. I have no idea where it came from or what the purpose of it is. Apparently it is "swiss made" and labeled "Heinrich Schmid Rapperswil" and "+Pat.ang."
02:19 PM lostinsip: Jymmm: I am having a look at the schematic, all in somewhat different symbols from the ones in europe haha
02:19 PM miss0r: Do any of you guys know the purpose of this?
02:22 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: Yeah, same as me reading german wiring diagrams =)
02:22 PM fragalot: miss0r: electrical isolator?
02:22 PM miss0r: could be...
02:23 PM miss0r: hmm..
02:24 PM lostinsip: Jymmm: my prime candidates for checking would be the capacitors as previously mentioned
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: somebody asked about PCIe LPT cards earlier and we do a list of working cards with PCI vendor : model
02:25 PM lostinsip: also the "Thermistor stsrarter" (what i know as a PTC unit) can fail too
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: the wiki and forums typically6 list problem cards but not good ones that are available
02:26 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: HVAC2 https://imgur.com/a/hXVhJga
02:27 PM lostinsip: Jymmm its a bit of a mess isnt it!
02:27 PM Jymmm: And I hope the element amperages are cumlitive =)
02:28 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: Eh, not really. I'm used to messy wires, it's just dont want to fry anything else including me.
02:29 PM lostinsip: I can see the burned contacts
02:29 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: =)
02:29 PM lostinsip: its really hard to diagnose over IRC but I would check if you have any shorts to ground
02:30 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: Can you see what that contactor is for? the compressor or something else?
02:30 PM lostinsip: and also if you can check the visible condition of the motor capacitors and if you have a range for it the measured value of the apaciance
02:30 PM lostinsip: *capacitance
02:30 PM Jymmm: I don't even see anything controlling the heating elements
02:31 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: I dont have a cap meter if that's what your asking
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: 50A fuse or breaker, sucks to have to have a supply of fuses
02:31 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Thre are two service boxes. one has 2x 45A fuses, the other has 2x 50A fuses
02:31 PM lostinsip: ah ok Jymmm
02:32 PM lostinsip: i think the contactor is "C" on the schem for the main motor, if the motor is locked or the start cap is faulty then it will experience a large current on closing
02:32 PM lostinsip: i am just going to chop a leek brbr
02:33 PM Jymmm: Ok, I'm going to go see if there's a short across the contactor. Then try to unplug the cap and see if there's any shorts there. BRB
02:43 PM CaptHindsight: doing the no smoke dance for jymm
02:45 PM lostinsip: good work CaptHindsight !
02:46 PM lostinsip: im in cooking mode and as well as trying to diagnose heating in north america...only on the internet haha
02:47 PM CaptHindsight: methods_: hey is this from the guy that made the router from pipes? https://youtu.be/hGUSgPeZYIk?t=51
02:48 PM methods_: he does love his pipes
02:48 PM Jymmm: Well, there IS a short across the SPST contactor...
02:48 PM lostinsip: well i have worked in renewables for 25 years and that is a first for me lol
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: I'm guessing he missed that class that covers energy efficiency
02:49 PM Jymmm: Also, I think I found the magic smoke (or at least part of it)
02:49 PM lostinsip: oh ok Jymmm where was it?
02:49 PM Wolf__: motor coil should show as short
02:49 PM lostinsip: sorry im mid pasta preparation for my exhausted gf!
02:49 PM lostinsip: yeah or very low ohms
02:49 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: photos uploading, I have NFC WTF this thing is though, It MIGHT be a cap, but the weirest one I've ever seen
02:50 PM lostinsip: ok i will see if its familiar!
02:50 PM Jymmm: Wolf__: I just measured across the contactor terminals, short
02:51 PM Wolf__: eh
02:51 PM lostinsip: Jymmm: if its a dead short then thats bad, a very low ohm reading could just be the motor winding as at AC its impedance will be higher
02:52 PM lostinsip: than its DC resistance
02:52 PM methods_: Jymmm has survived this long with a short
02:52 PM methods_: he's a medical miracle
02:53 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: I thought THIS was the cap (might be), but the thing I found that let out the magic smoke is still uploading and looks strange
02:53 PM lostinsip: methods_ you cheeky bugger haha
02:53 PM methods_: :)
02:53 PM Jymmm: https://i.imgur.com/P36nxqA.jpg
02:53 PM methods_: AC unit?
02:53 PM CaptHindsight: are we talking about the motor with a fan on it?
02:54 PM CaptHindsight: big cap
02:54 PM lostinsip: the large grey cylinder Jymmm ?
02:54 PM Wolf__: looks like a cap to me (grey thing)
02:54 PM methods_: looks like a big start run cap
02:54 PM lostinsip: yeah it does
02:54 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Teh grey thing I'm guessing is *A* cap, but I found something else that blew out BIG TIME that I don't know wtf it is (maybe another cap) but I've never seen before
02:55 PM methods_: does it have 3 prongs on it?
02:55 PM lostinsip: could be the PTC starter
02:55 PM methods_: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1NyaCJFXXXXcrXFXXq6xXFXXXl/1-2M-Universal-3-Prong-Replacement-Clover-Leaf-Fused-AC-Power-Cord-Cable-US-Plug-for.jpg
02:55 PM methods_: you need to plug that in first Jymmm
02:56 PM methods_: :p
02:56 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: CaptHindsight HVAC3 https://imgur.com/a/ChEn1eO
02:56 PM lostinsip: its the thermistor starter
02:57 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: ???????????????
02:57 PM lostinsip: aka PTC starter it connects the start cap then releases it
02:57 PM lostinsip: marked ST on your schematic
02:57 PM Wolf__: yeah, that might be bad lol
02:57 PM methods_: https://www.amazon.com/HC95XX005-Carrier-OEM-Replacement-Capacitor/dp/B00FX0CEYW
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: a thermistor is low on resistance when cold, then as it heats the resistance goes way up
02:58 PM Jymmm: Wolf__: I'm not sure, I got some duct tape , to fix it
02:58 PM CaptHindsight: so think of it as a relay that only holds for a short time when cold
02:58 PM methods_: http://www.northamericahvac.com/oem-carrier-bryant-payne-start-assist-capacitor-hn680017-hc95xx005-hc95xx019/
02:58 PM Wolf__: thats most def a job for jb weld
02:58 PM lostinsip: it starts the motor then rmoves the start cap
02:59 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Gotcha, I understand
02:59 PM Jymmm: SO, if it was defective, and kept the cap engaged for too long, could that blow a 50A fuse?
02:59 PM * Jymmm really doens't know the purpose of a start cap other than it exists.
02:59 PM lostinsip: definitely
03:00 PM Wolf__: looks like a 50A hole in that thing
03:00 PM CaptHindsight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_capacitor
03:00 PM lostinsip: the start cap pulls a big current if it stays in it can blow fuses
03:00 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: gotcha
03:00 PM gregcnc: their purpose is to fail at the least convenient moment
03:00 PM Jymmm: gregcnc: Like at midnight in 30F weather?
03:00 PM Jymmm: with snow
03:01 PM methods_: on the hottest day of the year
03:01 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: I would replace the PTC and the CAP....
03:01 PM lostinsip: or when you really need compressed air for a job and the one on your compressor blows
03:01 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: and the contactor?
03:01 PM lostinsip: agree with CaptHindsight
03:01 PM lostinsip: oh yeah it looks pretty hard done by
03:01 PM lostinsip: of course it could still be a locked motor
03:01 PM Wolf__: lol, my shop compressor, caps caught on fire in the middle of painting a truck that had to be done next day
03:02 PM Jymmm: lostinsip: is it 110V or 220V coil?
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: and some spare fuses or swap to a 50A breaker
03:02 PM lostinsip: which is hard to diagnose on a seald HVAC compre3ssor
03:02 PM lostinsip: er pass its all 230V here
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: perfect timing!
03:02 PM lostinsip: probably 110
03:02 PM Jymmm: brb
03:03 PM lostinsip: but id check carefully
03:03 PM lostinsip: i need to go and feed a tired and hungry lady with this pasta biab :)
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: get a 220V cap, it will also work at 110V
03:04 PM lostinsip: yeah for the cap get 220
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: 220V will likely be a 250V cap, north american power is 208-240vac based on delta or wye
03:05 PM lostinsip: most motor caps here are 250
03:06 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Yeah, but what uF???
03:06 PM XXCoder: i dont think im going to work today. lol
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: the US has 2 types of power transformers
03:06 PM lostinsip is now known as lostinsip|afk
03:06 PM Wolf__: uF is on the cap somewhere
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: take the cap out, it might be on the case somewhere
03:06 PM Jymmm: Wolf__: CaptHindsight ok
03:07 PM Jymmm: Adn the PTC, you said it's temperature related? how so?
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: the PTC is basically a closed switch when cold
03:07 PM CaptHindsight: when power is applied the PTC heats up and raises it's internal resistance
03:08 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Right, I get that, but why would a cap and or motor need temperature compensation???
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: it doesn't
03:08 PM Wolf__: PTC works as a relay but uses thermal to switch?
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: the PTC can be replaced by a centrifugal switch
03:09 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Ok, so the PTC engages the cap, right?
03:09 PM CaptHindsight: you only want the starter cap in series with a motor winding when it is starting
03:09 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: yes the PTC is in series with the start cap
03:09 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Right, but you said the PTC is a thermal switch, right???
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: yes, when no power is applied it is at room temp and very conductive
03:10 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Right, but what would the cap need to be angaged based upon temperature?
03:10 PM CaptHindsight: when the contactor closes the current goes through the PTC causing it to heat up
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: heat makes it near open circuit in series with the start cap
03:11 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: and are we talking ambient temperature, or electrical (wattage) temperature?
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
03:11 PM Jymmm: ?????
03:11 PM CaptHindsight: it effectively removes the start cap from the motor after it heats up in 1-2 seconds
03:12 PM Wolf__: needs a “start timer” of some sort, thermal, mechanical or digital
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: the start cap is only connected to the motor for the first second
03:13 PM Jymmm: So on COLD days, need s alittle extra to start, so the PTC stays engaged uS longer till to e motor starts (essecnially) ?
03:13 PM jthornton: works like a potential relay but cheaper
03:13 PM jthornton: drops the start cap from the circuit after enough time for the motor to get up to speed
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: nope, cold just means the motor was off
03:14 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: ok, so ambient temp or current draw don't mean jack is this case???
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: that motor needs a start cap no matter what the room temp is, temp doesn't matter
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: room/ambient
03:15 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: That I get, I'm just trying to udnerstand the purpose of the device
03:15 PM Jymmm: Not purpose, function I mena
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: its contacts are in series with the start cap
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: are we clear there?
03:15 PM Jymmm: Yes
03:16 PM Jymmm: It's the "temerature" part of PTC I'm trying to udnerstand
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: ok, so when the unit is started (by the thermostat) the motor needs to spin
03:16 PM Jymmm: right
03:16 PM Jymmm: I mena PTC's in general
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: your motor design needs a start cap in series with one of the winding to get it started spinning in the proper direction
03:17 PM Jymmm: I udnerstand that CaptHindsight
03:17 PM CaptHindsight: the PTC applies power to that start cap for a second and then unhooks the power (opens the circuit)
03:17 PM Jymmm: So when it draws enough amps, the PTC cuts out the cap, right???
03:18 PM Wolf__: pretty much
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: yes, since the PTC heats up when current goes through it
03:18 PM Jymmm: is that the purpose of that jumper???
03:18 PM Jymmm: loopback (so to speak) ?
03:18 PM Jymmm: https://imgur.com/1UG7ptH
03:18 PM CaptHindsight: and the material it is made from when it gets current through it heats up
03:19 PM CaptHindsight: when that material heats up its resistance also goes way up, like opening a switch
03:19 PM Jymmm: If that jump is semi-fried, it could effect the loopback of the PTC ???
03:19 PM Jymmm: jumper*
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.resistorguide.com/ptc-thermistor/
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.resistorguide.com/pictures/PTC-thermistor_R-T_Characteristic.png
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: see blue curve ^^
03:20 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: those are what I'm used to , but this has three terminals on it
03:21 PM Jymmm: methods_: are those universal PTC's ???
03:23 PM CaptHindsight: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rcg-sUG-Qh8/TmpymkhgfPI/AAAAAAAAAAA/-2sbpLT2cyg/s400/PTC%2BStarter.jpg
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: there no start cap in the drawing but that would be in series with the start winding in the motor
03:24 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: that sows two contacts, mine has three
03:24 PM CaptHindsight: look again, it has 3
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: N on the right
03:25 PM CaptHindsight: 2 windings on the left
03:25 PM Jymmm: teechnically 5
03:30 PM CaptHindsight: https://community.brewpi.com/uploads/default/original/1X/c5986337b4249150884d4e057ccb08b32fe4028e.jpg
03:30 PM lostinsip|afk: hi guys, im back and fed
03:30 PM lostinsip|afk: Jymmm, CaptHindsight and Wolf__ have explained it all very clearly :)
03:30 PM lostinsip|afk is now known as lostinsip
03:30 PM Jymmm: Yes, they have =)
03:30 PM Wolf__: PTC = magic pixie wrangler
03:30 PM lostinsip: sorry to disappear at such an exciting moment!!
03:30 PM Deejay: AvE speech detected
03:30 PM lostinsip: Wolf__: in the end its all about dem magic pixies :)
03:30 PM lostinsip: sometimes i would be asked what was wron with a system at work and reply "its pixies" the joke wasnt always best received!
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: i use "haunted" for the reason I return anything electrical
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: works every time
03:33 PM gregcnc: lol
03:33 PM lostinsip: haha brilliant CaptHindsight
03:34 PM Wolf__: lol
03:34 PM gregcnc: the lathe I bought a couple years ago was haunted, but I found the ghost
03:34 PM CaptHindsight: anyone looking for a 5 ton capacity forklift?
03:35 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: free delivery?
03:35 PM Wolf__: not here, need 12-15ton
03:35 PM lostinsip: Id love one but im in the UK
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: 16500 lbs empty, the forks are 400lbs each
03:36 PM lostinsip: I am kinda guessing you guys are all US/Canada?
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: yeah it too big for many and too small for others
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: near Chicago here
03:36 PM CaptHindsight: bang bang
03:36 PM lostinsip: :)
03:36 PM Wolf__: wash DC area here
03:36 PM lostinsip: have you been frozen by the polar vortex?
03:36 PM lostinsip: Im in North Wales
03:37 PM Wolf__: next to B-more (we beat chicago in the pew pew)
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: yes, was -30C a week ago
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: nice
03:37 PM lostinsip: damn thats cold
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: and lostinsip
03:37 PM CaptHindsight: -1C today
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: was 10C 2 days after -30C
03:38 PM lostinsip: its around +8C here today
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: been a roller coaster
03:38 PM lostinsip: thats a crazy temperature swing
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: was a 45C swing that week
03:38 PM gregcnc: capt, snow tonight and friday
03:38 PM lostinsip: wow
03:38 PM CaptHindsight: yeah then cold on the weekend
03:39 PM Wolf__: -17C here one week next was 19...
03:39 PM lostinsip: we had maybe -5 a week ago now its around 8-10
03:39 PM lostinsip: but then surrounded by sea
03:39 PM CaptHindsight: lostinsip: they say if you don't like the weather in Chicago, just wait a few hours
03:40 PM Wolf__: I like maryland myself, all 4 seasons, in one week
03:41 PM lostinsip: apparently iceland has similarly very rapid changes
03:41 PM lostinsip: here it mostly just rain lol
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: I'm getting tired of the extremes
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: summer can be 35C and 120% humidity
03:42 PM lostinsip: I have been to portugal and had 40 but only 20% humidity
03:42 PM CaptHindsight: cold a dry winters, warm humid summers
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: we get about 2 weks in fall and spring where its 20C and sun and dry
03:43 PM lostinsip: mild humid winters her with mild humid summer!
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: yeah i want to visit wales and scotland
03:43 PM lostinsip: it sounds like we have a better deal although the winds here can be relentless
03:43 PM Deejay: gn8
03:43 PM lostinsip: well if you do come say hi :)
03:44 PM CaptHindsight: then I'd have to visit friends in Ireland and England
03:45 PM CaptHindsight: so it's at least 4 stops
03:45 PM lostinsip: https://i.imgur.com/GSra3Bg.png
03:46 PM lostinsip: I am the blue dot :)
03:46 PM lostinsip: we do very good coffee haha
03:47 PM CaptHindsight: how long is the ferry from Dublin?
03:47 PM lostinsip: around 3 hours
03:49 PM CaptHindsight: lostinsip: are the signs all in Welsh? just for fun
03:49 PM lostinsip: in welsh and english
03:50 PM lostinsip: mostly
03:50 PM lostinsip: we are in the most welsh speaking part of wales here
03:50 PM lostinsip: although im english originally
03:50 PM CaptHindsight: that would be interesting
03:50 PM gregcnc: expensive cnc glue gun https://3dplatform.com/3d-printers/#400series
03:51 PM XXCoder: xtreme price
03:51 PM CaptHindsight: without tool chest $1000
03:51 PM Wolf__: cnc commercial plasma tables are just as bad
03:52 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: theres no tool chest version. $18000
03:52 PM lostinsip: yeah some big prices here in the uk for cnc plasma
03:52 PM CaptHindsight: no GUI
03:52 PM XXCoder: lol look at workcenter 500
03:52 PM XXCoder: HUGE cnc router type 3d printer
03:53 PM lostinsip: I realise that till now the entire chat has not mentioned CNC lol
03:53 PM Wolf__: lol
03:53 PM lostinsip: which is cool as at least there is more to our lives haha
03:53 PM CaptHindsight: request a sample, of a full size car wheel
03:54 PM Wolf__: 1m x 1.5m x 700mm is stupid sized for 3d printer imo
03:55 PM lostinsip: I am currently considering getting a CNC machine but as yet I am all manual
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: do you guys ever buy from a seller that doesn't list a street address?
03:55 PM Wolf__: ebay…
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ only lists a phone number
03:55 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: ebay?
03:55 PM XXCoder: ebay yep lol
03:55 PM lostinsip: i dont think i would, well depends what it was i was buying
03:55 PM CaptHindsight: cept for ebay
03:56 PM lostinsip: im not a big buyer on ebay tbh
03:56 PM gloops: you could buy 100 of these for 50k https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Woodworking-machine/264191418297?
03:56 PM CaptHindsight: "The Most Trusted, Open Market Large-Format 3D Printer Company" without a published address
03:56 PM gloops: (just needs a battery for RAM he says)
03:56 PM XXCoder: gloops: too slow to be 3d printer
03:57 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: link???
03:57 PM gloops: XXCoder well its got 3 z axis
03:57 PM XXCoder: surising cheap lol
03:57 PM XXCoder: lol interesting
03:57 PM XXCoder: bet cam is hard
03:57 PM Wolf__: fdm that size just seems like a bad idea to me
03:58 PM lostinsip: gloops: are you in the UK?
03:58 PM XXCoder: fdm is fairly large failure rate, and huge size is almost asking for it
03:58 PM lostinsip: orr just a uk ebay link?
03:58 PM gloops: duplicate parts - also got 2 drilling axis
03:58 PM gloops: lostinsip yeah
03:58 PM gloops: im in the UK
03:58 PM lostinsip: ah cool me too
03:59 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: https://3dplatform.com/why-3dp/
03:59 PM gloops: im not interested in that router - just came up with something else, probably go for a lot more than 500
04:00 PM lostinsip: yeah, lots of pneumatics on it too
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: we look at those and immediately see the problems
04:00 PM CaptHindsight: yet their business is booming
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: so buyers don't care
04:01 PM lostinsip: I am currently looking at a CNC router parts machine as i can get it into my workshop (small door)
04:01 PM CaptHindsight: their buyers
04:01 PM Wolf__: I might make myself a cnc router at some point
04:01 PM lostinsip: import to the uk is fun but no real equivalent here and have insufficient time for a completely home built machine
04:02 PM Wolf__: seeing that I’ll have left over parts when I redo my plasma table fail idea
04:02 PM XXCoder: man its really coming down here
04:03 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Roscoe, Illinois
04:03 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: https://www.linkedin.com/company/3dplatform
04:03 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: yeah you have to dig for it
04:04 PM gregcnc: I was looking at random sites and there are many with no address, doesn't seem to be a concern these days with pp and credit card protections?
04:04 PM gloops: if i built another router id start about 2 years in advance
04:04 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.wunderground.com/webcams/Jeeptj5/2/show.html
04:05 PM lostinsip: gloops: yeah thats why im looking at a full kit
04:05 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: have links to local weather cams?
04:05 PM XXCoder: no
04:05 PM XXCoder: i look outside if I wanna see it :)
04:05 PM lostinsip: need to get the machine making stuff cant spend ages sourcing bits and designing sadly
04:06 PM gloops: any particular cnc routerparts model in mind lostinsip?
04:06 PM CaptHindsight: apparently I missed any direct sunlight today
04:06 PM gregcnc: hah, there was none
04:06 PM lostinsip: oops
04:06 PM Tom_L: it was all above the clouds
04:06 PM gloops: any particular cnc routerparts model in mind lostinsip?
04:07 PM lostinsip: looking at the 8x4' Pro model with both a plasma and spindle on dual z axes
04:08 PM lostinsip: as we need to make both metal and wooden componets for the projects
04:09 PM gloops: http://www.cncrouterparts.com/pro4896-4-x-8-cnc-router-kit-p-253.html?osCsid=epjue32tfo5vd67rtinuhu4uq5
04:09 PM lostinsip: yeah that one
04:09 PM lostinsip: but configured as in this video
04:09 PM lostinsip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OTwT0WFBmg
04:10 PM lostinsip: will probably build the base/legs from steel here and make our own water table to save shipping
04:11 PM lostinsip: if i had the time id probably build from scratch but need to make product or starve haha
04:11 PM Wolf__: thats the problem I had
04:11 PM Wolf__: no time for scratch build
04:12 PM Wolf__: of course now I have a lull and unfinished machine because lazy
04:12 PM lostinsip: yeah its easy to do
04:12 PM lostinsip: I am having a major shop sort out at the moment
04:13 PM lostinsip: years of stuff i neglected when i was employed
04:13 PM gloops: just flicking through to see how the swap from router to plasma happens
04:13 PM lostinsip: now me and my girlfriend are looking at getting it all up and running again with a new CNC
04:13 PM Wolf__: I also have a weird use case design for my machine as well https://i.imgur.com/s0w2Zmx.jpg
04:14 PM Tom_L: dude you need a shop
04:14 PM gloops: lol, should have made it from steel to add more time
04:14 PM Wolf__: I have 2.5 shops...
04:15 PM lostinsip: is that in your house Wolf__ ?
04:15 PM Wolf__: living room is warmer lol
04:15 PM Wolf__: and the machine is light
04:15 PM lostinsip: yeah cant argue with that
04:15 PM lostinsip: part of the work on a home for our possible CNC is adding heating to the building
04:15 PM gloops: the harley should be ok outside for a month or two
04:15 PM Wolf__: main work shop is a fuckin mess https://i.imgur.com/Gse5frx.jpg
04:16 PM Wolf__: my home shop is worse…
04:16 PM gloops: lostinsip how do you swap the bed from router to plasma?
04:16 PM Wolf__: on that linked dual use machine, you pull the spoil board
04:17 PM lostinsip: gloops: yeah as Wolf__ says you can pull off the spoil board
04:17 PM gloops: hmm, thats the logical way to do it, plasma underneath, may be some issues with spoilboard levelling i suppose
04:18 PM lostinsip: mostly it will be 2 4'x4' machines in tandem
04:18 PM lostinsip: brb call
04:18 PM Wolf__: I’m looking in to building a new shop… but thats $$ and government hoops to jump through
04:19 PM Wolf__: for the size I want probably going to be a pain in the ass
04:19 PM SpeedEvil: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/What-are-these/123637811848?hash=item1cc9634a88:g:liwAAOSwCCpcXyct on the things I probably won't be buying from ebay.
04:20 PM Wolf__: lol
04:22 PM gloops: he had the sense to grease them, for the time his grandson came to sell them
04:23 PM XXCoder: no idea what those are lol
04:23 PM gloops: tapered pins?
04:26 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Around-1-5kg-189-Bits-Of-Engineers-Taper-Pins-Various-Sizes-As-Photos/163050270974?
04:26 PM XXCoder: well theres your chance to get some for 1 euro lol
04:27 PM XXCoder: er pound
04:29 PM gloops: ill leave them for someone who has proper use for them lol
04:30 PM XXCoder: lol
04:31 PM SpeedEvil: You could start a new youtube channel focusing on evoporust.
04:33 PM gloops: preserved for posterity
04:36 PM SpeedEvil: I love honest titled auctions. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CAST-IRON-SURFACE-PLATE-HAND-SCRAPPED-12-x-12-INCH-INSPECTION-PLATE/254098777556
04:37 PM gloops: https://twitter.com/i/status/1094860573454618624
04:37 PM gloops: 'hand scrapped' lol, thought i could see a bow in it with the naked eye
04:38 PM lostinsip: hey sorry i got a call from portugal!
04:39 PM XXCoder: odd listing is "new" and "unbroken"
04:41 PM lostinsip: I am trying to work out what the tings in the tin are
04:41 PM lostinsip: Hi SpeedEvil btw
04:41 PM lostinsip: its my first visit to this chan
04:41 PM XXCoder: might be taper pins
04:41 PM lostinsip: yeah could be
04:41 PM gloops: they might come in useful for lining your linear rails up lostinsip
04:41 PM lostinsip: i thought i saw a pop rivet in there too!
04:42 PM gloops: bit incovenient looking through assortment of 10 different sizes though lol if youre in a hurry
04:42 PM lostinsip: true gloops though if i need taper pins i might get new ones of know size!
04:42 PM lostinsip: I am currently putting a lot of things in size order
04:43 PM gloops: well dont forget to grease them and put them in an old tobacco tin when youve done
04:43 PM lostinsip: absolutely
04:43 PM lostinsip: i mean only an old bean can would be superior for storing engineering consumables
04:45 PM gloops: i have to admit i love looking through old tins and boxes of stuff though
04:46 PM lostinsip: yeah me too in a way, i am using my recent redundancy as an opportunity to do that and put stuff in proper storage tho
04:46 PM lostinsip: a decade of workshop neglect :(
04:46 PM gloops: anyway im off for tonight
04:47 PM lostinsip: ah ok
04:47 PM lostinsip: as it is getting on for 11pm here I should head off too.
04:48 PM lostinsip: its been really nice chatting to people, I will be back im sure
04:48 PM XXCoder: later :)
04:48 PM lostinsip: :)
04:51 PM Wolf__: off the wall thing, anyone here mess with any over moulding of rubber or polymers?
04:51 PM Wolf__: CaptHindsight ? ^
04:52 PM XXCoder: man all news is predicting rain and 38f temperate. its snowing very heavily here right now. lol
04:52 PM CaptHindsight: how many emails from a customer is your limit for a $100 item? 3, 5, 11 etc?
04:52 PM Wolf__: 1?
04:53 PM XXCoder: depends really on contents
04:53 PM XXCoder: if its help on how to use, its 0
04:53 PM CaptHindsight: they want a short course on polymer chemistry, not talking about you Wolf__
04:53 PM XXCoder: btw you missed a prime numbers, 2 and 7 ;)
04:55 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: does the overmold have to bond to the layer below or does it encapsulate the inner layers?
04:55 PM Wolf__: lol, I’m just looking for suggestion on 2 part something to over mould traction pads on to plastic conveyor track
04:55 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: silicone ok?
04:56 PM Wolf__: not sure if that might be too soft, for RC tank type thing
04:56 PM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/Yu2Ap5Y.jpg
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.uscomposites.com/moldmaking.html
04:57 PM XXCoder: tanks
04:57 PM Wolf__: thinking drill/mill in to the plastic to hold the pads on
04:57 PM CaptHindsight: only up to shore A90
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.industrialpolymers.com/products/truecast-series
04:58 PM CaptHindsight: a few Shore D range ^^
04:59 PM Wolf__: 80 might work
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.industrialpolymers.com/truecast/truecast-70
05:00 PM XXCoder: cant do prototype sample see if layer bounds to layer below it?
05:00 PM XXCoder: dont need to be large
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: Elongation 450%
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: do you guys ever send emails BCC to a 3rd address to check if your emails are going out?
05:04 PM CaptHindsight: every now and then it seems like sent mails are not getting to destinations
05:08 PM SpeedEvil: Email got a whole lot less reliable when spamfilters came in.
05:08 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, sounds like something you should start.
05:08 PM Wolf__: thats the problem I run in to, damn spam bots use one of my emails and then my outgoing get eaten by filters
05:09 PM Rab: Just don't ask for return receipts. I find those really antagonizing, and of course I deny them.
05:12 PM Rab: Google is trialing some thing where your email is just a link to a webpage, and you can delete the webpage to "rescind" the email. Recipients gotta stay vigilant to maintain their archives.
05:13 PM jthornton: I get multiples of 4 spam emails even though I just changed the email address for both stores
05:14 PM jthornton: there has gotta be some way to filter that crap out but I can't find it in tbird
05:15 PM CaptHindsight: or spam that uses your email address for the return address
05:15 PM jthornton: I haven't noticed that yet
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: i train the filters but i still have to double check or manually mark some as junk
05:16 PM CaptHindsight: worst is a new client that gets filtered but they never emailed you before
05:16 PM jthornton: I even enable capchiea or whatever it's called lol
05:17 PM XXCoder: jthornton: maybe try subdomain filtering. store actual email is email@jt.store.whatever
05:17 PM CaptHindsight: well douchebags have entire industries of getting spam to you
05:17 PM XXCoder: and filter out ones that dont have jt subdomain
05:17 PM jthornton: I don't follow
05:18 PM jthornton: just reading about filters and that might help
05:18 PM jthornton: https://mesaus.com/index.php?route=information/contact
05:18 PM XXCoder: more interesting trick is to use various different subdomains as you register at sites, and when spam comes in you can really tell where it was taken from
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: years ago i got ~1000 spam a day
05:20 PM CaptHindsight: down to ~100/day now
05:20 PM XXCoder: dang never had it that bad lol
05:20 PM XXCoder: nor even that level
05:21 PM jthornton: I need to get the new stores setup and running on dreamhost so I can drop webhost4life
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: what problems did you have?
05:21 PM jthornton: for a while the forum got thousands of registrations a day
05:21 PM CaptHindsight: crap
05:21 PM jthornton: ssl mainly
05:22 PM XXCoder: jeez bot registers
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: i had a forum on one site where i asked 5 questions
05:22 PM jthornton: ssl at webhost4life ends up costing $40 per site per year and they let it expire without even saying anything
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: to register
05:22 PM CaptHindsight: nice
05:23 PM XXCoder: jeez dont they want money?
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: just send money
05:23 PM jthornton: dreamhost ssl is free once you move your site there and it costs me less
05:23 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: sure but they do little to get it
05:23 PM XXCoder: capt if company lets my account expire without letting me know, I assume they dont want my business and i move on.
05:24 PM jthornton: http://gnipsel.dreamhosters.com/ is my temp mirror at dreamhost
05:24 PM jthornton: XXCoder: worse than that your store is shut down until the ssl is restored and it took them almost 2 days
05:24 PM XXCoder: jeez
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: one question was "What is your favorite color?"
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: spam bots never got passed it
05:27 PM XXCoder: nice
05:53 PM jthornton: I can see no matter what I do I'm going to run out of data this month I should be < 4GB and the meter is at 6.4GB
05:53 PM jthornton: unless I use 0.2GB or less per day for the rest of the month
05:53 PM SpeedEvil: That's nearly ten meg an hour
05:55 PM CaptHindsight: have to find your bandwidth hog
05:55 PM jthornton: I left a web page open and it burned all my data
05:55 PM XXCoder: too bad we dont have time machine lol use internet only during those times
05:55 PM jthornton: multi tasking and forgot to close it
05:55 PM XXCoder: here its any hours but 1 tb a year
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: yeah suck that websites do that
05:56 PM jthornton: what is that a month?
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: autoplay
05:56 PM jthornton: yea I turn that crap off on putube
05:56 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: yeah we used to use 2TB/year on DSL
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: some months >200GB
05:58 PM jthornton: at least I'm not on huges net they just let you keep on going and slam a huge bill on you
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: i think my phone plan offers >10GB/mo
05:58 PM jthornton: viasat turns the throttle down real low when you run out
05:58 PM CaptHindsight: how nice of them
05:59 PM jthornton: yea my phones are combo of 10GB/mo and I had to get my wife to quit playing candy crush it was eating all the data up lol
05:59 PM CaptHindsight: hah
05:59 PM jthornton: and watching a ton of facebook crap videos
06:00 PM jthornton: finally figured out how to cap her phone data lol
06:00 PM sync: > 2019
06:00 PM sync: > metered uplink
06:00 PM sync: ugh
06:01 PM sync: my outbound interface has seen 1.88TiB in the last 8 days
06:02 PM jthornton: at least I got my windblows 7 pc back up and running so I can view my cameras and make sure the chicken door closes
06:02 PM sync: that's actually not a lot o0
06:03 PM XXCoder: jt nice
06:03 PM XXCoder: what did you do to fix
06:03 PM jthornton: slap new hard drive in and loaded windblows 7
06:03 PM XXCoder: lol ok
06:04 PM jthornton: my xt is broken so I have to install it again, stuck in a loop to register it lol
06:04 PM XXCoder: imb xt? ;)
06:04 PM sync: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvp4hFwXQAAC98_.jpg:large
06:05 PM XXCoder: *ibm xt
06:05 PM XXCoder: oh left
06:05 PM CaptHindsight: sync: do you host pron? :)
06:06 PM sync: no
06:06 PM CaptHindsight: sync: rural America has little for broadband
06:06 PM sync: then I would have that usage per hour
06:06 PM XXCoder: i'd think they had more usages
06:07 PM sync: that is very suprising CaptHindsight
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: sync: they have no incentive to cover it
06:08 PM XXCoder: jthornton: IBM xt? ;)
06:08 PM jthornton: windblows xp
06:08 PM CaptHindsight: they are supposed to cover it but they lobby for changes to the laws after getting the guberment funds
06:08 PM XXCoder: yeah was kidding when you typo'd on xp :)
06:09 PM CaptHindsight: sync: has been a dirty business back to the dialup days
06:09 PM sync: sure but nobody is running POTS anymore
06:10 PM sync: and you have fiber to your copper to ATM junk anyway
06:10 PM sync: so you can at least do ADSL2+ or VDSL
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: if I move farther out my choices are sat like JT, dialup or maybe a 4G service
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: we were stuck with 7mb/s DSL a few years ago
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: had wimax as backup
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: and i could see the DSLAM from my window
06:11 PM CaptHindsight: they just didn't care to offer more
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: 5 years later comcast came through and offered up to 300mb/s
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: ATT wanted $1200/mo for 10mb/s up/down
06:13 PM CaptHindsight: they can easily offer more, but they often don't
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: we have had ATT fiber on the other side of our wall for 1+ years
06:14 PM XXCoder: wow https://www.dwell.com/article/metallic-wood-as-strong-as-titanium-penn-engineering-29515538
06:14 PM CaptHindsight: they just won't bring it through the wall yet
06:14 PM XXCoder: as strong as titnaium but floats on water
06:15 PM sync: hm, I would just rent a dark fiber then
06:15 PM XXCoder: set a local isp
06:15 PM XXCoder: money money while help your neighbors has good connection
06:15 PM CaptHindsight: they don't offer that
06:16 PM sync: interesting, here you have to provide transit for other carriers
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: they wanted $16k to run a cable a few hundred feet
06:16 PM sync: or let other carriers put in fiber in your pipe
06:16 PM CaptHindsight: they were forced to a couple of decades ago but...
06:17 PM CaptHindsight: they corrupted that
06:17 PM CaptHindsight: they would have rack space but not cooperate with making connections
06:17 PM XXCoder: yeah dark fiber was hella failure on goverment
06:17 PM CaptHindsight: so the outside lineman would come by your place...
06:17 PM XXCoder: so many fibers added but not used.
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: he'd call the inside central office guy to located the other end...
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: and he would not be there
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: this would go on for 4-5 trips for the outside tech
06:18 PM CaptHindsight: then customer would give up
06:19 PM sync: lel
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: and if they located both ends of the fiber or pair....
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: they would have to jumper from the 3rd party rack
06:19 PM CaptHindsight: that guy would not be around
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: so they complied with the law but they would just drag their feet
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: could be months for 3rd party DSL
06:20 PM CaptHindsight: or fiber ISP
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: that is how corrupt they are here
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: and with the new FCC chairman, it's even worse now
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: for customers
06:22 PM jthornton: I have oboma fiber 1.6 miles from my house that is not connected to anything lol
06:23 PM CaptHindsight: sucks
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: they could have a wireless modem to cover that last 2 miles
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: but nope, won't happen
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: what co is in control of it?
06:24 PM XXCoder: jt companies wanted money but didnt want to actually connect and have better internet
06:24 PM jthornton: I used to have a radio modem but an asshole next to the tower sued to have it removed
06:24 PM XXCoder: thats why theres so many dark fiber.
06:25 PM jthornton: CaptHindsight: no clue
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: was it causing cancer :)
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: Google is pulling out of fiber
06:25 PM XXCoder: goverment passed law to create more fiber connections, but companies fought for and won not requiring them to actually using fiber.
06:25 PM XXCoder: CaptHindsight: really? shame. would love to have cheap fiber
06:25 PM jthornton: claimed it was causing more lighting strikes on his house... won the suit and moved away
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTUodmUFPXg
06:26 PM XXCoder: wtf thats not how radio works.
06:26 PM CaptHindsight: almost as dumb as solar farms sucking up all the sunlight
06:26 PM XXCoder: youtube keep flipping turning off autocaptions on >:(
06:27 PM XXCoder: indeed capt
06:27 PM CaptHindsight: bbl
06:59 PM TekniQue_ is now known as TekniQue
06:59 PM Elmo40: big bottle of lube?
07:00 PM Elmo40: bored, bricked and licked?
07:00 PM Elmo40: better build a laser?
07:04 PM XXCoder: broken builder laser
07:08 PM XXCoder: apparently snow havent been this bad here since 1923 lol
07:08 PM XXCoder: long time!
07:08 PM XXCoder: its going way past "decade snow" now. looks like 12" snow now
07:27 PM Tom_L: go build a snowman
07:28 PM XXCoder: lol no thanks
07:28 PM XXCoder: that requires going outside
07:29 PM XXCoder: its raining a little now, seems warm air finally arrived
07:29 PM XXCoder: but probably turn into ice in night
07:29 PM XXCoder: and snow barely affected at all
07:35 PM roycroft: we're done with freezing weather for the rest of the week, but we're forecast to get 85mm of rain over the next three days
07:58 PM XXCoder: raining now
08:03 PM Elmo40: XXCoder, where are you? my weather guys tell me that crap is on my way to me...
08:03 PM XXCoder: tacoma, wa
08:03 PM Elmo40: snow, then freezing rain
08:04 PM jdh: 67f tomorrow
08:04 PM Elmo40: well... I don't believe I'm getting 'your' weather.
08:04 PM Elmo40: I'm in EST time zone.
08:04 PM Elmo40: near Toronto, ON
08:04 PM XXCoder: nomrally I'd be off at work lol but weather dont really permit me to go
08:05 PM Elmo40: but they are calling for 10-12" of snow, then freezing rain to cap it, then possibly rain after that.
08:07 PM XXCoder: snow again but also rain lol
08:07 PM XXCoder: such a strange weather
08:07 PM XXCoder: Elmo40: reminds me of 20 yars ago at vancouver, we had cycles of snow and freezing rain. snow cover felt like onion layers
08:44 PM skunkworks: we are supposed to get 8-10" over night
09:04 PM XXCoder: raining again lol but think its here to stay now. been a while
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: freezing arin here
09:12 PM CaptHindsight: rain
09:12 PM XXCoder: I hope it rains long enough to avoid turning into ice
09:13 PM XXCoder: tues will have snow late in night so I gonna keep eye on weather and go home if needed
09:13 PM CaptHindsight: 5-6" of snow only possible
09:33 PM infornography: is it normal to have audio problems in linuxcnc?
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: nope
09:37 PM CaptHindsight: what problems?
09:37 PM infornography: *thinkface*
09:37 PM infornography: audio sounds broken
09:38 PM infornography: random 56K modem noises
09:39 PM infornography: not literally
09:50 PM skunkworks: do you also have problems disconnecting from irc? that is a linuxcnc problem...
09:52 PM flyback: flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxDHpH1KLlM
09:52 PM flyback: <flyback> there is a high maintenance bitch
09:53 PM infornography: that is a poor cell service problem
09:53 PM infornography: Im out , later
09:53 PM Tom_L: skunkworks really?
09:53 PM Tom_L: does it interfere with FF?
09:54 PM XXCoder: dunno never had any disconnect issues, but then my linuxcnc computer has older version of linuxcnc.
09:55 PM XXCoder: and hvent been even on for over year
09:55 PM skunkworks: according to all internet sources - you should only be using your cnc computer to cnc...
09:55 PM Tom_L: i ask because i have horrible connection on my lcnc pc in the shop
09:55 PM Tom_L: generally that's all i do with it
09:55 PM skunkworks: i stream youtube videos...
09:56 PM XXCoder: i usually use it to lok up some linuxcnc stuff, chat on irc
09:56 PM XXCoder: and sometimes machine lol
09:56 PM Tom_L: i get on irc sometimes when i'm out there
09:56 PM XXCoder: is your machine shop remote from your home and use wireless?
09:56 PM Tom_L: wired
09:57 PM Tom_L: and yes it's remote but the line comes from the house
09:57 PM XXCoder: ok
09:57 PM XXCoder: not following in parallel with power?
09:58 PM skunkworks: and sometimes cad/cam... http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/FunWithLinux.png
09:58 PM XXCoder: or in least if it is, over 2 feet apart?
09:58 PM Tom_L: what you makin?
09:59 PM Tom_L: no i think i ran it thru another service conduit
09:59 PM XXCoder: looks like cad in windows xp
09:59 PM skunkworks: how far?
10:00 PM XXCoder: and yet another windows vm running unknown
10:00 PM Tom_L: guessing maybe 35'
10:00 PM Tom_L: maybe not that far
10:00 PM skunkworks: think it is 7
10:01 PM skunkworks: i use 10 now for fusion..
10:01 PM Tom_L: ick
10:01 PM * flyback bites Elmo40 and XXCoder
10:01 PM flyback: eh-hole
10:01 PM XXCoder: ouch! radioactive flyback bit me!
10:01 PM skunkworks: 35' should be cake
10:01 PM * XXCoder turns into superhero, flyback man!
10:02 PM Tom_L: i wonder if i terminate it to a switch out there then plug the pc into the switch if that would help
10:02 PM Tom_L: it's hard to say because it's a slow pc anyway
10:03 PM Tom_L: i get used to my cad pc and expect the same performance everywhere
10:05 PM XXCoder: why not just remote desktop to your cad pc
10:05 PM skunkworks: http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/lotsrunning.png
10:06 PM skunkworks: that is what i do... but my cad computer is a vm on my linux machine...
10:07 PM Tom_L: you're using fusion?
10:07 PM skunkworks: currently. yes
10:08 PM skunkworks: 'using' is more like 'trying to use it enough to learn it'
10:08 PM Tom_L: i could get a 3 year license to any of autodesk products but i'm not that wild about them
10:09 PM Tom_L: i loaded it and looked at it a bit
10:09 PM skunkworks: autocad corrupted me
10:09 PM Tom_L: both my kids are learning it at the vo'tech
10:09 PM Tom_L: i'm a little jealous, my oldest is training on all their 3d scanning equipment
10:10 PM skunkworks: heh
10:10 PM Tom_L: gets to reverse engineer some stuff
10:10 PM Tom_L: their cheap scanner is ~250k
10:11 PM Tom_L: they've got all sorts of em there and at the uni
10:12 PM Tom_L: from desktop to full room scanners
10:23 PM skunkworks: nice. cant he get you access? :)
10:28 PM Tom_L: probably not where he's at but i could get something scanned if i wanted
10:29 PM Tom_L: the project he's being assigned to is to reverse engineer a F18
10:29 PM Tom_L: should be here in a week or so
10:31 PM Tom_L: another team will disassemble it and he and a couple others will scan all the parts
10:38 PM flyback: whoa Tom_L has kids
10:39 PM flyback: I decided long ago I will never have any
10:39 PM flyback: except adopted
10:39 PM flyback: my genes are too fucked
10:49 PM Elmo40: why is that? pants too tight? >_<