#linuxcnc Logs

Feb 09 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

03:10 AM XXCoder: whoooo
03:14 AM XXCoder: home
03:14 AM XXCoder: snow was so much fun to drive home in.
03:14 AM XXCoder: *to
03:19 AM asdfasd1: anyone tried iron plating on copper?
03:27 AM gloops: https://www.finishing.com/134/31.shtml
03:46 AM asdfasd1: thanks but already did search online, Im not looking for links
03:46 AM asdfasd1: I have some practical questions
03:47 AM asdfasd1: which are not explained anywhere
03:50 AM asdfasd1: also the above link is for copper plating, Im looking for iron plating
03:50 AM asdfasd1: which is completely different process
04:02 AM gloops: no facebook groups for electro plating ? probably a better chance of finding people with those specific skills
04:18 AM jthornton: morning
04:18 AM XXCoder: yo
04:18 AM XXCoder: the drive home was pretty scary lol
04:18 AM XXCoder: lots snow
04:19 AM XXCoder: most times its just careful driving, at one of slopes at i-5 I foundered a little and lucky rough edge of snow saved me and i went home fine
04:22 AM jthornton: yea if it is slick driving slow is the best bet until you go up a hill then you need the momentum to get up without spinning the tires
04:27 AM XXCoder: yeah
04:31 AM XXCoder: i went up few gentle slopes fine, it was just that spot where i had issues
04:31 AM XXCoder: it was so slick even idle start caused wheels to spin
04:31 AM XXCoder: thankfully rougher snow at edge helped get traction
04:32 AM asdfasd1: I dont have facebook, but thanks for the advice, I will check
05:21 AM Deejay: hi
05:23 AM jthornton: hi
05:38 AM Tom_L: morning
05:41 AM Tom_L: 17F Hi 37
05:42 AM Deejay: 8°C with heavy storm :/
05:42 AM XXCoder: 29f, snow storm warning till tomorrow lol
05:42 AM PL7icnc: Good Day
05:43 AM PL7icnc: I did Break some Bits this morning
05:43 AM PL7icnc: With the Little TestMill
05:43 AM Tom_L: too much play in the spindle?
05:43 AM PL7icnc: Trapezional LeadScrews and 400W Bosch Motor
05:44 AM PL7icnc: Ithink you got it Tom_L
05:44 AM PL7icnc: the 6mm and 3,175 bits work
05:44 AM PL7icnc: but the 8mm clamp is the problem
05:45 AM Deejay: you killed 8mm bits?
05:46 AM PL7icnc: the Centerdrill
05:46 AM Deejay: ah
05:46 AM Deejay: also killed some of them :D
05:46 AM PL7icnc: is there a Problem here with spelling Mistakes as my English is so Bad
05:46 AM Deejay: but in a normal drill press
05:47 AM PL7icnc: It is Thundery Outside a Big Storm around
05:47 AM PL7icnc: i am in Germany
05:47 AM Deejay: me 2
05:48 AM PL7icnc: Klasse
05:48 AM PL7icnc: Ich bin der Lehrer welcher nun die CNC sachne der regierung in Schulen von RLP betreut
05:50 AM PL7icnc: Deejay, Es gab einen Lehrer vor mir der dies Betreute ,welcher öfters hier im Chat war!
05:50 AM Deejay: ich?
05:50 AM PL7icnc: Ja
05:52 AM Deejay: ah
05:53 AM Tom_L: IchGuckLive
05:53 AM XXCoder: ah ich yeah hes odd but cool guy
05:53 AM XXCoder: had great videos but videos is gone now
05:53 AM XXCoder: it helped bunch of people apparently, though I could not take the camera motions in his videos.
05:54 AM PL7icnc: XXCoder, i got permission to upload the Videos again
05:55 AM XXCoder: that would help bunch of people.
05:55 AM PL7icnc: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGuJsIoXW-exBAwdn38dXow/videos
05:55 AM PL7icnc: Its So old stuff
05:56 AM PL7icnc: as i stated in December with Stretch,FreeCAD 0.18
05:56 AM PL7icnc: Irecived videos of 2.4.5
05:57 AM Loetmichel: hey, any bike guys here? i have an old 50cc bike i destroyed a ball bearing in the back wheel. and the broken bits melted into the aluminium hub... do you think i could just dremel out the broken race parts and then set a new bearing in with some kind of "glue" (which one?) and that would hold for a few more years? new hub isnt an option, bike is from 1989, no more spare parts aviable anywhere:
05:57 AM Loetmichel: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15913&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
05:59 AM XXCoder: maybe use lathe make bigger bore then use bigger bearing?
05:59 AM XXCoder: or use new metal cylinder between newly cut surface and bearings
05:59 AM XXCoder: both methods would need a lathe
06:00 AM XXCoder: it looks like already quite round so it should be lathe-mountable
06:00 AM XXCoder: remove the brake disc its even easier
06:00 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: seen the picture? there is not much aluminium left
06:01 AM Loetmichel: i doubt even turning it out and pressing in a sleeve to get back to the right diameter would work
06:01 AM XXCoder: yeah latter option is better as you create new inside diameter metal
06:01 AM XXCoder: maybe
06:01 AM PL7icnc: Loetmichel, there are on Normal Standards lower Zize Bearings that you can put steel Frame around
06:02 AM Loetmichel: PL7icnc: the problem is that the broken bearing got so hot that its outer race melted partly into the hub
06:03 AM Loetmichel: i have to get those bits out before anyting turning or welding new material in there
06:03 AM PL7icnc: You can brek the SEAL and then put 3Clamp system pullers in
06:04 AM Loetmichel: so i thougt the "least weakening" approach would be to dremel away the race bits with a grinding bit, then see to it to make a new "bearing seat" out of some kind of JBweld or similar
06:04 AM Loetmichel: PL7icnc: there is no bearing LEFT to put a puller in
06:04 AM XXCoder: weld in volume then lathe it out
06:04 AM XXCoder: ?
06:04 AM Loetmichel: only small bits of the outer race that are molten into the seat
06:05 AM Loetmichel: it got so hot down there that the aluminium bonded with the spacer disk ;)
06:06 AM XXCoder: cant use termal differences to crack it out?
06:06 AM XXCoder: hot surrounds dry ice alum
06:06 AM Loetmichel: ( the silvery part below the seat is actually a spacer made of steel)
06:06 AM Loetmichel: XXCoder: have you even looked at the picture?
06:06 AM XXCoder: yeah
06:07 AM Loetmichel: there is no race in there any more. just small bits that are literally molten into the hub aluminium
06:07 AM Loetmichel: 90% of the race is alreay chiseled out
06:08 AM XXCoder: yeah was thinking can break em apart by properies of different metal expasion
06:08 AM PL7icnc: Question can i run Ubuntu and debian on one HDD
06:08 AM XXCoder: linux is pretty good on allowing you to install more than one os
06:08 AM XXCoder: so yes I'd say
06:11 AM PL7icnc: I better ask in Ubuntu or Debian
06:12 AM PL7icnc: XXCoder, what Video woudt you like me to Upload First
06:12 AM XXCoder: i dont know, i couldn't follow most of ich's videos
06:12 AM XXCoder: gloops: you in?
06:15 AM gloops: hi
06:16 AM XXCoder: what set of videos from ich did you find helpful?
06:16 AM XXCoder: PL7icnc is re-upping videos made by ich.
06:17 AM PL7icnc: gloops, https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGuJsIoXW-exBAwdn38dXow/videos
06:17 AM PL7icnc: i got more then 500 Videos
06:17 AM PL7icnc: but most are for Teatches made
06:18 AM PL7icnc: Class lessons
06:18 AM gloops: wow thats a fair list
06:18 AM XXCoder: class lessons would be great videos also
06:18 AM PL7icnc: Does Somone Know if he Has seen the 4th axis Mashine Running He constructed
06:18 AM gloops: i found the basic breakout board wiring, stepper motors, chinese spindle wiring helpful - but thats what i was building, im sure theyre all helpful to people doing those things
06:19 AM PL7icnc: let me look
06:19 AM XXCoder: PL7icnc: playlists would be very helpful
06:21 AM gloops: like the blender one for basque relief - i was looking for that
06:21 AM PL7icnc: the Limitswiches Video i found
06:22 AM gloops: anything like that, someone was asking about switches the other day - very useful to point them to a vid
06:25 AM PL7icnc: What Shoudt it Say in First line to get attanchen
06:25 AM PL7icnc: Mach3 Interface
06:26 AM PL7icnc: BreakOutBoard
06:26 AM PL7icnc: CNC Cointroller
06:26 AM gloops: yes Mach 3 BOB (breakout board)
06:26 AM gloops: there were some on drivers, TB6600
06:26 AM gloops: if i had any problem with anything i would always check Ichs youtube channel first
06:28 AM PL7icnc: I try my Best to Find it
06:28 AM PL7icnc: there are not Named
06:30 AM XXCoder: ultimate goal is to upload em all I guess
06:32 AM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK2zrIOqghQ that one, loads of people are trying to wire those up every week
06:33 AM PL7icnc: glooopy subscribed
06:34 AM PL7icnc: i uploaded the Limit switch
06:34 AM gloops: yeah i subscribed thanks, got to go out in a minute but will check back later - if anyone asks ill point them to the channel if thats ok?
06:34 AM PL7icnc: gloops, I guess more Arduino CNC ones and estlcam
06:35 AM PL7icnc: im also Off Here
06:35 AM gloops: yes arduino is more popular now
06:35 AM PL7icnc: Its very fast and it Workes
06:35 AM PL7icnc: no setup
06:35 AM PL7icnc: Windows
06:36 AM gloops: a lot of the young ones know a bit of arduino anyway, they learn it in school - so theyre more likely to use it for cnc i guess
06:36 AM PL7icnc: Upload limit -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdEGrH1kDc
06:37 AM PL7icnc: im off Here
06:37 AM gloops: very helpful for newbies - its easy stuff, but only when you know how lol
07:43 AM Loetmichel: hihi, $me just got the letter with the speeding ticket. 41kph in a 30kph zone... 25 eur... thats a ticket i can live with... the automatic speed cam is evil though. it sits on half way down a steep slope looking up. I was on 30kph cruise control. Sadly the cruise control ceases to work if it cant hold the desired speed with switching down one gear. looked at the speed cam" ah, i am slow
07:43 AM Loetmichel: enough." Looking at the speedo:"Oh, i am not!" *flash* :-)
07:51 AM XXCoder: lol
09:12 AM Tom_L: Loetmichel, maybe that's why the hub is fried :)
09:29 AM sensille: can linuxcnc rotate the coordinate system in x/y? could a probe a workpiece that not exactly aligned to the axis and rotate the program?
09:32 AM jthornton: yea
09:33 AM sensille: that's great
09:34 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/examples.html
09:34 AM jthornton: look at sheet alignment
09:34 AM jthornton: you can adapt that to a probe routine
09:38 AM sensille: thanks
09:38 AM sensille: i really have to dive deeper into linuxcnc
09:47 AM * JT-Shop is off till tomorrow
10:13 AM jym: Who needs expensive PLC's... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/M5Stack-PLC-Proto-Industrial-Board-Module-Contains-RS485-ACS712-5B-Programmable-Logic-Controller-Relay-with-Magnet/32874916056.html
10:19 AM sensille: how often do the g38.x commands probe? before each (micro)step?
10:24 AM gambakufu: probably every 1ms (or whatever your servo thread is).
10:30 AM sensille: so it's not done in the realtime part?
10:32 AM sensille: i've found an architecture overview with emcmot, emcio and emctask
10:33 AM sensille: limit switches are within emcmot, so i'd expect the probe to be there also
10:37 AM gambakufu: the servo thread is realtime
10:39 AM SpeedEvil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u4sDxSbSrU
10:39 AM SpeedEvil: How Hard It Is To Push Nail into Wood? | Hydraulic Press Test!
10:41 AM gregcnc: Roycroft is probably shoveling his roof?
10:43 AM gloops: some of Ichs videos have been put back on youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGuJsIoXW-exBAwdn38dXow/videos
10:43 AM gambakufu: a lot of systems run without a base thread, so it stands to reason that homing and probing are done in the servo thread. I believe only stuff like software stepping are done in the fast thread.
10:50 AM sensille: i'm still a bit at a loss how to learn about all those things. just read the 700+ pages documentation?
10:55 AM gambakufu: can't tell you. I'm still new to this myself...
10:56 AM gambakufu: looking through the source might be helpful, too.
10:57 AM sensille: in another project i'm developing an fpga-based motion control board. i hope those two interests can merge someday :)
11:05 AM gambakufu: for example:
11:05 AM gambakufu: probe-input is a pin created in motion.c https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/f36ddbe0e0cc43adf379aa430114f67ee26efa30/src/emc/motion/motion.c#L324
11:05 AM gambakufu: which is used for probing by process_probe_inputs in control.c https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/f36ddbe0e0cc43adf379aa430114f67ee26efa30/src/emc/motion/control.c#L611
11:05 AM gambakufu: which is called by emcmotController which is actually the function "motion-controller" which is exposed in https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/f36ddbe0e0cc43adf379aa430114f67ee26efa30/src/emc/motion/motion.c#L899
11:05 AM gambakufu: which is added in (my) hal file to the servo thread: addf motion-controller servo-thread
11:06 AM gambakufu: so now we both know that probing is indeed done in the servo thread :)
11:06 AM sensille: thanks :)
11:07 AM sensille: so it means it is probes once per 1ms, which in turn means i have to go quite slowly to get good accuracy
11:08 AM gambakufu: yes. though 1ms is still 1000 times a second...
11:08 AM gambakufu: so it really depends on what you define as accurate and what you define as slow.
11:09 AM gambakufu: I'm using a modified xcarve so my definition of "accurate" is, well... :)
11:15 AM gambakufu: by the way, the fpga mesa cards have support for recording exact encoder-count when probe is tripped, but that functionality hasn't been exposed to linuxcnc since it's apparently not a straight forward as one would think. funnily enough, I was just asking/was told about this today.
11:16 AM gambakufu: so you can have a look at the hostmot2 fpga code, which is open source
11:17 AM sensille: so are you setting setting up probing, too? or do you have higher goal?
11:18 AM gambakufu: no, I was reading the source to better understand homing and just came by the probing by chance...
11:19 AM sensille: i guess homing has the same restrictions
11:49 AM Loetmichel: Tom_L: i fail to see what the car accelerating while under cruise control has to do with my 50cc moped at all?
12:08 PM CNC_Brian: Guy's,
12:08 PM CNC_Brian: Trying to write a python gui
12:09 PM CNC_Brian: Is there any way to monitor what commands python is sending linuxcnc
12:32 PM jym: CNC_Brian: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/common/python-interface.html
12:34 PM CNC_Brian: Hi yes I am reading this, having problems homing linuxcnc via python
12:34 PM CNC_Brian: Not sure it its my code, so wanted to get a view of linux cnc state independent of python
12:35 PM jym: Use HAL???
12:35 PM CNC_Brian: Im not getting on very well with Hal scope
12:36 PM CNC_Brian: Is there a way to just dump the state to a terminal
12:37 PM CNC_Brian: On axis there is a status window.
12:39 PM jym: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/axis.html#_show_linuxcnc_status_linuxcnctop
12:40 PM jym: There's also "axis-remote" on that same page too
12:40 PM CNC_Brian: Thanks will have a play
12:40 PM jym: yoou might want to read/skim that entire page
12:47 PM CNC_Brian: This is for the Axis GUI
12:47 PM CNC_Brian: I have written my own and already started linuxcnc with an ini file
12:48 PM CNC_Brian: Ive been using axis for 3 year. Its fine but not pretty. Im writing a customer one in the style of PP
01:02 PM fragalot: insulating my laundry room.. "I'll just buy some PUR panels so I don't have to deal with itchy rockwool or glass fibre"
01:03 PM fragalot: near the end, everything stings anyway
01:03 PM fragalot: check the packaging: "Glass fibre reinforced"
01:03 PM fragalot: >.>
01:03 PM jym: lol
01:13 PM miss0r: 'evening
01:14 PM fragalot: hi
01:14 PM miss0r: hello
01:14 PM miss0r: How's it hangin'?
01:14 PM fragalot: slightly to the left
01:15 PM fragalot: you?
01:15 PM miss0r: most righthanders get it stretched that way...
01:15 PM miss0r: same
01:15 PM miss0r: if only it was big enough to actualy hang... :)
01:16 PM miss0r: I'm beginning to land quite a few cool little land rover related parts
01:16 PM miss0r: machining stuff ect.
01:16 PM fragalot: nice :)
01:17 PM miss0r: I just drew up two bushings I have to make, so a ford V8 distributor can be fitted to the rover V8
01:17 PM fragalot: im doing some bushings for a 911 atm
01:17 PM miss0r: apparently, that makes it suck slightly less
01:17 PM miss0r: nice
01:17 PM miss0r: how did that happen?
01:18 PM fragalot: because I bought one
01:18 PM fragalot: (lol no)
01:18 PM miss0r: hehe
01:18 PM fragalot: guy I sold my welder to restores 'm but doesn't have a lathe
01:18 PM miss0r: ahh. that is a nice connection
01:19 PM fragalot: indeed
01:19 PM miss0r: I guess you could end up landing quite a few small odd jobs there
01:19 PM fragalot: yup, only issue is that he lives almost 2hrs away
01:20 PM miss0r: and he does not know how to take measurements and email them to you?
01:20 PM fragalot: I'm about to find out if he can take measurements when I send this part back :D
01:21 PM miss0r: hehe
01:21 PM miss0r: lemme see some pictures:D
01:21 PM miss0r: if needed I can send you a picture of my doodle on a piece of paper
01:21 PM miss0r: :D
01:21 PM fragalot: its literally a brass piece with a hole in it
01:22 PM miss0r: I'd like to get an idea of what surface finish you can acomplish
01:22 PM fragalot: in decent material.. mediocre :)
01:23 PM miss0r: :]
01:23 PM * miss0r is watching merlin on netflix..
01:23 PM fragalot: the new star trek season has started
01:23 PM miss0r: B-series, but I find it enjoyable anyway
01:23 PM miss0r: I'm not sure how I feel about that
01:23 PM fragalot: I liked the previous one
01:23 PM miss0r: the new star trek..
01:24 PM miss0r: sadly, time have tought me we have a somewhat simular taste in series...
01:24 PM miss0r: so, I guess I'll give it a shot
01:24 PM fragalot: lol
01:26 PM miss0r: so ah.. what is that bushing of yours for?
01:26 PM fragalot: absolutely no idea
01:26 PM miss0r: excellent :) I'm thinking gear box..
01:26 PM miss0r: I don't realy see where else on a 911 that would be
01:28 PM fragalot: for all I know it's just a random piece he wants me to make before he asks anything else
01:28 PM miss0r: okay.. then scotchbrite it.. :D
01:29 PM fragalot: lol
01:30 PM miss0r: a goblin is loose at camalot... haha
01:41 PM beachbumpete1: Hey guys happy Saturday :)
01:42 PM miss0r: you too
01:42 PM beachbumpete1: any of you guys have CNC Vinyl Plotters?
01:43 PM fragalot: my mum does
01:43 PM beachbumpete1: I just bought one from a friend
01:43 PM beachbumpete1: its pretty cool
01:43 PM beachbumpete1: but it came with a cheap PC that has the software for it on it
01:44 PM beachbumpete1: and I have to setup a whole desktop system just to use the machine
01:44 PM fragalot: lol
01:44 PM beachbumpete1: was wanting to use my laptop
01:46 PM beachbumpete1: so I was trying to find some cheap/free software to use for it
01:46 PM beachbumpete1: apparently there is something called InkCut for Inkscape
01:46 PM miss0r: I think you can download some from rolanddg
01:46 PM beachbumpete1: oh yeah?
01:46 PM miss0r: The older ones they sold now has free software
01:47 PM asdfasd1: anyone did iron electroplating on copper?
01:47 PM beachbumpete1: unfortunately the inkcut does not have windows support yet
01:47 PM miss0r: Not promising anything thing. I just think that is the case
01:47 PM beachbumpete1: Rolanddg?
01:47 PM miss0r: Roland Digital Group
01:48 PM miss0r: http://download.rolanddg.jp/en/cutting.html
01:48 PM miss0r: see if any of that can work
01:49 PM miss0r: adope illustrator or corel draw it seems
01:50 PM beachbumpete1: I cannot even find a name on this machine it is chinese I am sure but it seems to cut well with their software
01:50 PM miss0r: perhaps you can find a version of roland cut studio and get that to work somehow
01:50 PM miss0r: A realy good start would be to figure out what machine it is
01:50 PM beachbumpete1: I got some of the transfer paper the other day and I am anxious to try to make some cool stickers hehehe
01:51 PM jym: miss0r: Corel Draw has beena standard in the engraving industry
01:52 PM miss0r: Indeed. I think that should support a cutter very well
01:53 PM jym: miss0r: do you have corel?
01:53 PM miss0r: jym: Nope
01:53 PM beachbumpete1: the only sticker on the machine says Vinyl express R series II
01:53 PM miss0r: I used it a little over a decade ago
01:53 PM miss0r: but that is it
01:53 PM beachbumpete1: I don't have corel either
01:53 PM jym: miss0r: Corel Draw 14 was the lst version that it didn't "phone home"
01:53 PM jym: last*
01:54 PM jym: miss0r: and can run on XP
01:55 PM miss0r: I seem to recall running it on linux
01:55 PM jym: Linux version is WAY back like around version 9
01:55 PM miss0r: I told you it was a long time ago :)
01:56 PM beachbumpete1: Sheeit
01:56 PM jym: miss0r: but we have virtual mashines these days =)
01:56 PM beachbumpete1: I did not pay that much for the machine WITH the computer and a bunch of extra vinyl and other stuff
01:56 PM miss0r: ye ye ye... :)
01:56 PM miss0r: I didn't have that back then
01:57 PM beachbumpete1: but I dont know if I can remove the software from the PC somehow and put it on the desktop
01:58 PM miss0r: beachbumpete1: If it is of newer date, it can be hard
02:00 PM miss0r: anyway. off to bed, tomorrow is another working day..
02:00 PM miss0r: (if you are selfemployed theres no days off
02:00 PM miss0r: )
02:00 PM jym: miss0r: you might google "roland inkscape" and see what people might be doing too
02:03 PM beachbumpete1: ok thanks guys I thought sure there would be an open source something for this
03:40 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.scorchworks.com/index.html
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: beachbumpete1: ^^
03:43 PM CaptHindsight: he even has a tool for engraving a g-code file onto a non-flat surface
03:46 PM gloops: all the cam apps on there work
04:30 PM Deejay: gn8
05:21 PM beachbumpete1: CaptHindsight: Hey man I am sorry I missed this. I fell asleep on the couch watching videos on youtube LOL
05:23 PM beachbumpete1: Not sure if those programs work for vinyl plotters seems like they are for lasers no?
05:25 PM CaptHindsight: he has both
05:26 PM CaptHindsight: laser and mill/cutter
05:28 PM beachbumpete1: I see the laser and Milling as well but the vinyl plotter uses a drag knife setup and is more like a pen plotter not sure if that is usable for this machine or not.
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: possibly along with a text editor
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: pen plotter is like a laser
05:29 PM CaptHindsight: only without the laser intensity g-code
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: I've modified the scorthcworks tools to work with a cnc airbrush
05:30 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/a/NYNWYAX
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://i.imgur.com/EAF5oPj.jpg
05:31 PM CaptHindsight: https://postimg.cc/67Csv2QJ
05:32 PM beachbumpete1: CNC Airbrush? Now I have seen everything LOL
05:33 PM beachbumpete1: the vinyl cutter has to have the proper lead ins to allow the cuts to be correct to orient the drag knife not sure if that is possible with this program. They sure do look like they are capable tho. I was thinking of adding a small laser to my 3d core XY printer at some point
05:34 PM * JT-Mobile updates the laptop while at the casino lol
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: beachbumpete1: cnc airbrush to add graphics to 3d parts like a painball gun or an AR etc
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: heh paintball
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: painball is only when you get hit
05:36 PM CaptHindsight: airbrush can get into areas that an inkjet can't reach https://ibin.co/34HsTI709hOX.jpg
05:38 PM beachbumpete1: My kids just got me hooked on these high performance airsoft guns LOL. We just ordered an AR M4 clone that looked interesting and I am TRYING to NOT order an airsoft sniper rifle for myself hehehehe
05:43 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/a/yAITRos CNC Inkjet
05:43 PM CaptHindsight: ^^ actually as an anodize
05:45 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/a/vlH3Dap 5-axis inkjet
05:47 PM beachbumpete1: WOW
05:53 PM JT-Mobile: which airsoft sniper rifle are you looking at?
05:54 PM XXCoder: 5 axis waterjet. interesrting lol
05:56 PM beachbumpete1: I dunno I kinda like the M40 clones but I also like the L96 ones most likely spring piston because I am used to that with my spring piston competition air rifles.
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: saw this earlier https://imgur.com/gallery/A5OC3sN
05:57 PM CaptHindsight: DIY machine gun
05:57 PM XXCoder: lol
05:57 PM JT-Mobile: I'm looking at this https://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?product=Raptor%20Whisper%20.22%20Cal&productID=624
05:59 PM beachbumpete1: To be honest with you if you want a REALLY nice airgun there are better options. I am new to this airsoft thing but I am very familiar with quality airguns of all sorts.
06:00 PM beachbumpete1: Gamo are made in spain or china and while they are not terrible there are far better airguns available from several manufacturers.
06:01 PM JT-Mobile: I know you know air guns what are some better ones?
06:01 PM CaptHindsight: beachbumpete1: are the crazy graphics still popular for airguns?
06:01 PM beachbumpete1: https://www.krale.shop/en/weihrauch-hw97-k.html This is a little known back door to be able to purchase a FANTASTIC air rifle for a great price. This particular rifle is extremely well made and highly accurate for its power plant
06:02 PM beachbumpete1: That rifle in USA is typically more than $600.00 plus shipping
06:02 PM jym: CaptHindsight: but but but, what about when the battery dies? Do rounds get stuck in the chamber?
06:02 PM beachbumpete1: It is also the same basic rifle I used to nearly win a national championsip in Field Target a few years back. I tied for fourth place amongst about 200 shooters from around the country.
06:03 PM JT-Mobile: wow it comes in .25 caliber
06:03 PM beachbumpete1: Had I been a better shot I would have won but the rifle does not disappoint.
06:03 PM beachbumpete1: yes it does but my recommendation is NOT to buy it in the larger calibers.
06:03 PM JT-Mobile: .177?
06:03 PM beachbumpete1: actually this rifle is SWEET in .177 in 12ftlbs power level.
06:04 PM beachbumpete1: with a quality airgun scope on it you will be hard pressed to find a better more accurate spring piston rifle ANYWHERE for ANY price.
06:04 PM JT-Mobile: thanks
06:05 PM beachbumpete1: no problem. I actually have the HW77 model here it is its older brother LOL
06:05 PM beachbumpete1: both are super nice and best part is they are built to last.
06:05 PM beachbumpete1: all wood and metal
06:05 PM beachbumpete1: great trigger
06:06 PM JT-Mobile: what is a good air gun scope?
06:06 PM beachbumpete1: I will be ordering another HW97 myself here soon if I dont buy that damn airsoft sniper rifle LOL
06:06 PM JT-Mobile: lol
06:07 PM beachbumpete1: CaptHindsight: crazy graphics are always fun on competition rifles.
06:07 PM beachbumpete1: I want to cut some damn stickers on this vinyl plotter for my van that are airgun related
06:08 PM Wolf__: wonder how my HR-81 stacks up to that thing
06:09 PM beachbumpete1: Whats an HR81?
06:09 PM Wolf__: looks like this https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2011/02/sterling-hr-81-177-underlever-air-rifle-part-1/
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: did you guys gets snowed in today?
06:10 PM XXCoder: nah I drove home fine
06:10 PM XXCoder: mostly fine anyway lol
06:10 PM beachbumpete1: That looks like an interesting rifle.
06:11 PM beachbumpete1: since it is made in UK and has a Walther barrel I would guess it is probably quite good.
06:11 PM Wolf__: mines USA stamped
06:12 PM beachbumpete1: The HW97 I just suggested to JT is made in Germany but its closest competitor is the Air Arms TX200 and it is also a fantastic rifle.
06:12 PM CaptHindsight: https://imgur.com/gallery/hwrrfD0 CNC hole saw
06:12 PM beachbumpete1: ah I see just reading that article it said it was DESIGNED in UK but licensed to Benjamin Sheridan
06:14 PM beachbumpete1: JT-Mobile: there are many good scopes but since the rifle is spring piston you need to buy a scope that is rated for the unique reverse recoil of a spring piston rifle.
06:15 PM beachbumpete1: Fortunately a LOT of modern scopes are built that way nowadays
06:15 PM JT-Mobile: nice to know
06:15 PM beachbumpete1: Simmons has a several airgun rated scopes that are decent.
06:16 PM beachbumpete1: My rifle is using a FT scope from Aeon it is a 10-50x60 but that is for a particualar competition purpose. for general airgun shooting/hunting and target practice a 6-16 or 4-12 would be fine.
06:16 PM Wolf__: yeah, figure out fast that older scopes cant handle it when the reticle falls out
06:17 PM beachbumpete1: Wolf__: its funny how many people buy spring airguns and a nice scope and start shooting and cant hit the broad side of the barn and stop shooting or sell the gun because they thing the gun is the problem.
06:17 PM Wolf__: lol
06:18 PM Wolf__: more to shooting then putting the cross hairs on target and jerking the trigger
06:19 PM Wolf__: like my friend found out, “try shooting this rifle, I think my ammo is bad, it wont hold a group” https://i.imgur.com/9k2HnJs.jpg (@ 200yrs)
06:20 PM beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/e2Cx7yH.jpg This is what a QUALITY HW97 spring piston competition rifle setup can look like.
06:21 PM beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/IU4VY5m.jpg Here's another one but this is a different but very similar rilfe called the Walther LGU
06:21 PM JT-Mobile: wow
06:22 PM gloops: ive got an old hw77, underlever
06:22 PM beachbumpete1: gloops FANTASTIC!
06:22 PM beachbumpete1: I have one too
06:22 PM beachbumpete1: its the earlier 25mm piston type
06:23 PM gloops: i had it in an outhouse for shooting rats, its still mechanically sound but needs restoring really
06:24 PM beachbumpete1: do you agree they are very well built rifles?
06:24 PM gloops: oh yeah, old faithful, never had any trouble with it really, although had it to bits a few times heh
06:25 PM gloops: not even sure what scope is on it - ill take a couple of photos tommorrow
06:25 PM beachbumpete1: https://i.imgur.com/kOEiQGt.jpg
06:25 PM beachbumpete1: are you in UK?
06:25 PM gloops: yeah im in the UK - mine doesnt look like that lol
06:26 PM gloops: it killed rabbits, had rats at 30 yards or so, pheasants
06:26 PM beachbumpete1: its funny in the USA people dont really even know about these fantastic airguns for the most part unless they are fairly serious into the hobby
06:27 PM gloops: i never got into charged air guns, all mine were spring
06:27 PM beachbumpete1: My hw97 I hunted rabbits and squirrels in Tennessee with and I stopped because it felt like they did not have a chance LOL
06:27 PM beachbumpete1: I actually felt guitly
06:27 PM beachbumpete1: I could hit them with headshots easily out to 50 or 60 yards
06:28 PM beachbumpete1: I have had quite a few precharged guns but in my heart I am a springer guy.
06:28 PM gloops: yeah, i had a couple of different lamps for mine, one mounted on the gun, was easy work with rabbits, i dont go walking at night these days though
06:28 PM beachbumpete1: there is just something so sweet about grabbing JUST the gun and a tin of pellets and going outside to shoot
06:29 PM beachbumpete1: these top level spring piston guns actually rival the accuracy of the PCP rifles when setup correctly
06:29 PM gloops: thats it yeah, i had a camo jacket with a handful of pellets in the pocket, all you needed to do was pick the gun up and youre away
06:29 PM beachbumpete1: but no hoses and gauges and tanks and refilling etc etc etc
06:29 PM beachbumpete1: they really are airgun nirvana I think
06:29 PM beachbumpete1: I can shoot in my house or in my backyard, nearly silent
06:30 PM beachbumpete1: on a calm day I can get 1/2 inch groups at 55 yards when I do my part
06:30 PM gloops: my hw77 gives a soft but distinct whistle to the pellet, dont know if thats common to them all or not
06:31 PM beachbumpete1: mine is just a light pop and then at the target
06:31 PM beachbumpete1: living in UK you are actually in Field Target paradise man
06:32 PM beachbumpete1: the sport was literally born there
06:32 PM gloops: like if there were 2 or 3 of us firing you could tell the difference from the other air rifles
06:32 PM beachbumpete1: now they shoot all around the world
06:32 PM gloops: it is crawling with rabbits round here lol, the younger generation dont bother with them
06:32 PM beachbumpete1: There is actually a competition local shoot in arcadia Florida tomorrow but my rifle is not yet ready so I am not going unfortunately
06:33 PM gloops: the blokes i used to go with are either dead or dont bother any more
06:33 PM beachbumpete1: I cant think of a more perfect rabbit hunting rifle than what you have LOL
06:33 PM gloops: anyway bedtime here, happy shooting lol
06:33 PM beachbumpete1: You too goodnight
06:39 PM beachbumpete1: Apparently there is a program called inkcut for inkscape that can run a vinyl cutter/plotter but it only works in Linux
06:39 PM beachbumpete1: my laptop is Windows 8
06:39 PM XXCoder: does it export gcode?
06:39 PM beachbumpete1: supposedly Inkscape has added this functionality to the Inkscape program
06:39 PM XXCoder: if so maybe can just run on older pc with linux then move over
06:40 PM beachbumpete1: but for the life of me I cannot figure out how to use it
06:40 PM beachbumpete1: well that is actually what I have here
06:40 PM beachbumpete1: the machine came with an inexpensive business desktop from dell with the software loaded
06:40 PM XXCoder: found a tutorial
06:41 PM beachbumpete1: I would LIKE to remove the software from that PC and install it on my laptop but I am not sure if that is possible
06:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://i.imgur.com/YZdZbZu.mp4 nice automation
06:42 PM beachbumpete1: I don't think you could get me to stick my head in that machine LOL
06:42 PM XXCoder: bah! it just shows setup not using inkscape itself to setup cutting
06:43 PM beachbumpete1: there is not much doccumentation about the cut extension that I can find
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: most of the g-code inkscape plugins require a bit of learning
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: not intuitive and the instructions are rarely accurate
06:43 PM beachbumpete1: IF I could get it to work inside windows this one looks not too bad really.
06:43 PM CaptHindsight: after wasting several hours some actually do almost work
06:43 PM beachbumpete1: Nothing super precise about vinyl stickers
06:44 PM XXCoder: beachbumpete1: did you research Plot function? that apparently can run cutter machines
06:44 PM beachbumpete1: yes that is the built in extension apparently but I cannot find ANYTHING about it in the program
06:44 PM XXCoder: just found extensions. didnt know it existed lol
06:45 PM beachbumpete1: my extensions is pretty bare
06:45 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: this is the weather we get around here https://i.imgur.com/bJl3GbP.mp4
06:45 PM XXCoder: clouuuuds of doooom
06:46 PM beachbumpete1: HOLY shit what is that an abominable snowman in the sky?
06:46 PM XXCoder: gcodetools is develpped to make simple gcode from inkscape's paths
06:46 PM XXCoder: nice
06:47 PM beachbumpete1: http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/vinyl-cutting-on-linux-the-real-deal
06:51 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: sure but it takes a bit of practice to get the setting to make sane g-code
06:51 PM XXCoder: yeah havent even succeed on exporting gcode lol will look into it more
06:53 PM CaptHindsight: XXCoder: those airbrush pics all used those tools
06:53 PM CaptHindsight: i was trying to find all open tools vs NX or Mastercam
07:12 PM jym: NX ???
07:15 PM CaptHindsight: jym: https://youtu.be/j01OIo8tMKQ?t=139
07:20 PM jym: CaptHindsight: Oh that can't be cheap
07:20 PM XXCoder: indeed
07:20 PM jym: Maybe $13 or $15 USD at the most
07:21 PM XXCoder: in 1770s if such thing ecxisted maybe LOL
07:21 PM XXCoder: *existed back then
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: $8k and up
07:22 PM jym: Got some tire chains today, kinda cool
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: $40k ish for everything
07:22 PM jym: CaptHindsight: KBB price?
07:23 PM XXCoder: 1775 $15 is $489.17 now, so sorry $15 in 1775 money still isnt enough LOL
07:24 PM jym: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_e1GA1a9rY
07:24 PM CaptHindsight: NX12450 (CAD/CAM 3 Axis Milling) Node Locked = $18,400 +$3,700 / year
07:25 PM jym: No having to lay them out, them drove over them
09:03 PM CaptHindsight: Saturday night is not a good time to ask but does anyone recall the link to the latest GUI work JT and Hazzy are working on?
09:04 PM hazzy-m: QtPyVCP.kcjengr.com
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: heh staying in tonight?:)
09:05 PM CaptHindsight: thanks
09:06 PM * hazzy-m is on mobile :)
09:06 PM CaptHindsight: ahah
09:07 PM CaptHindsight: hazzy-m: are the showcase demos working demos or just artwork?
09:08 PM CaptHindsight: and please define VCP
09:08 PM CaptHindsight: virtual control panels?
09:11 PM hazzy-m: Mostly working (JT and I are running our machines with them), and yes virtual control panel
09:15 PM norias: hmm
09:27 PM norias: i should just become an importer of benchtop cnc mills
09:28 PM CaptHindsight: and write new GUIs, Knows what you are doing, clueless and oh god don't hurt yourself levels
09:31 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.shopbottools.com/mProducts/5axis.htm $42,380
09:31 PM Tom_L: yeah i bookmarked it as well
09:32 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52zC5eYVvOU
09:34 PM CaptHindsight: demo video features chattering plastic, worse than nails on chalkboards
09:35 PM CaptHindsight: wow, DOS or windows CNC controller for 5-axis
09:35 PM jym: CaptHindsight: TurboCNC (DOS) does 8 axis
09:35 PM XXCoder: video uses autovomit vide smoother
09:35 PM XXCoder: ugh
09:35 PM CaptHindsight: 5-axis router that can't rigid thread
09:36 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.dakeng.com/
09:37 PM XXCoder: it says its best open source cnc controller
09:37 PM XXCoder: dunno
09:37 PM XXCoder: its... open source and shareware.
09:38 PM CaptHindsight: do you see the source repo anywhere?
09:39 PM Tom_L: http://www.dakeng.com/super_secret_code_link_do_not_distribute/sourcearchive.html
09:40 PM XXCoder: wow, new concept. closed opensource
09:40 PM XXCoder: wonder what arcive password is lol
09:40 PM jym: more like shareware
09:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&q=turbocnc+password
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: written in Pascal
09:43 PM CaptHindsight: from 2005
09:43 PM XXCoder: yeh source seems tp stop at 2005
09:43 PM XXCoder: linuxcnc is ... bit more recent on latest. lol
09:44 PM jym: IT's faster that lcnc
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: yes, closed open
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: jym: faster how?
09:44 PM jym: It's open source, just not FOSS
09:44 PM CaptHindsight: fits on a lighter floppy?
09:45 PM jym: 120IPM vs 70IPM
09:45 PM Tom_L: http://www.dakeng.com/archive.htm
09:45 PM jym: rapids
09:45 PM Tom_L: source directory of the zips are empty
09:45 PM jym: Yes, it runs from a floppy
09:45 PM CaptHindsight: I didn't know that LCNC tops out at 70IPM
09:45 PM jym: for me it does
09:46 PM Tom_L: naw
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: do i have to go back and make my settings slower now that you have told me?
09:46 PM jym: I siad for me, on my gear it does.
09:46 PM Tom_L: absolutely, you're in grave danger
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: damn, why did you tell me
09:46 PM jym: you asked?
09:46 PM CaptHindsight: thanks friend
09:47 PM XXCoder: website trademark is at 2017
09:47 PM jym: Truth hurts??? lol
09:47 PM XXCoder: guys not even updating website anymore
09:47 PM CaptHindsight: well they are waiting for mach and LCNC to catch up
09:47 PM XXCoder: funny thing is "last uypdate" is 2015 but trademark is at 2017. umm
09:49 PM jym: Anyhow, it works for me
09:49 PM XXCoder: why you in this channel then?
09:49 PM CaptHindsight: I recall working with a real time winders kernel back in 1995 or so
09:50 PM jdh: real time kernel that ran windows as a task?
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.intervalzero.com/products/
09:51 PM CaptHindsight: maybe was RTX
09:51 PM norias: sounds like a dave cutler thing
09:51 PM jdh: vms was a dave cutler thing, so obvs he rocks
09:52 PM norias: windows nt = vms 6
09:53 PM jdh: I have some vms 5.3 boxes running
09:54 PM jdh: can't upgrade them because they wouldn't be able to talk to the PDP-11's then.
09:55 PM hazzy-m: LinuxCNC was originaly developed and run on windows NT with a real time patch
09:56 PM CaptHindsight: think RTX back then was ~5uS for shortest period
09:56 PM hazzy-m: there are still a lot of machines that run on old real time windows systems, Boss and Romi to name a few
09:56 PM CaptHindsight: this was win98 and the 486 just came out
09:58 PM CaptHindsight: sorry, Am5x86, ran at 133 MHz and was released by AMD in 1995
09:58 PM hazzy-m: I tried to install the LCNC stretch ISO on a i486 500MHz dell inspiron with 500MB ran a few days ago, the install failed, LOL
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: try and older version of LCNC
10:00 PM Tom_L: what about wheezy?
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: you might have to go back further
10:00 PM CaptHindsight: have to check the kernel
10:01 PM Tom_L: and miss so many new features? i think not :D
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: the devs talked about this a few years ago, some people still use 386's for their machines
10:02 PM jym: BDI
10:03 PM jym: BDI should run on a 486 iirc
10:08 PM jym: http://www.yty.net/h/cnc/bdi.html
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: the wind shifted, now the shop is getting drafty
10:11 PM XXCoder: lol https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFnQA2OWZWnDVMVKUIBI23w/videos
10:11 PM XXCoder: olvipusly popular spot for such action!
10:18 PM CaptHindsight: jym: so win10 for CNC is where it's at now huh
10:20 PM CaptHindsight: jym: are all the PID's moved out to a microcontroller over USB back to the win10 box?
10:21 PM CaptHindsight: so non-rt, UI, trajectory planner in the win10 box and PID's out near the motors and encoders?
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: i don't mind as long as the microcontrollers are ST or by NXP, just not Atmel or Micropics
10:27 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/NB6EL8Lq7qw?t=32
10:28 PM XXCoder: weird
10:28 PM XXCoder: part spins but not collet?
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/D1xwDbUKH6A?t=29
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: SwissNano
10:30 PM XXCoder: we have a swiss latge at work
10:30 PM XXCoder: its amazing so many tools
10:30 PM XXCoder: and it has ability to trabsfer to other side so can work on other side without user
10:30 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/2KWX5Zp2vSg?t=43 like this one?
10:31 PM XXCoder: similiar
10:31 PM XXCoder: its interesting is that machine dont use standard white coolant
10:31 PM XXCoder: it uses oil only
10:32 PM CaptHindsight: racist CNC?
10:32 PM XXCoder: we have seperate chips bins in order to extract oil, which is I guess very expensive
10:32 PM XXCoder: huh?
10:32 PM CaptHindsight: white coolant
10:33 PM JT-Mobile: I'd hate to program them
10:33 PM XXCoder: is there any other coolant for milling? never saw any besides oil one
10:33 PM XXCoder: (besides mist cooler and air)
10:34 PM CaptHindsight: I've seen different colors since they add some dye
10:34 PM CaptHindsight: oil tends to be clear to yellow
10:34 PM CaptHindsight: aqueous tends to be white/milky
10:34 PM XXCoder: swiss one is fairly dark yellow
10:34 PM XXCoder: coolant is just white unless theres ... "fun" additives like green
10:34 PM CaptHindsight: when you blend polar with non-polar you tend to get milky
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: some give color to make them marketable
10:35 PM CaptHindsight: cool green, red #7 etc
10:35 PM XXCoder: one machine coolant is weird shade of white-yellow due to its sole machine that can run fiberglass and those weird fake wood/cloth lamated material
10:36 PM jym: CaptHindsight: What is this "Win 10" you speak of?
10:36 PM XXCoder: win 10 cars
10:36 PM CaptHindsight: my antibacterial stuff is yellow in the can but turns white mixed with water
10:36 PM XXCoder: i wish people at work would replace coolant more often
10:37 PM XXCoder: some of em man its old
10:38 PM CaptHindsight: jym: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
10:39 PM CaptHindsight: it comes with a built in updater
10:40 PM CaptHindsight: so you ddon't have to worry about things like that anymore
10:40 PM jym: CaptHindsight: 406 Not Acceptable
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkS9wjqIsYA
10:41 PM CaptHindsight: Dimension 404
10:56 PM jym: CaptHindsight: 406, not 404
10:58 PM XXCoder: dimension not found
10:58 PM XXCoder: jym: 404