Feb 02 2019
12:23 AM MacGalempsy: well gave it hell on the scanner, but it is time to call it a night...
12:27 AM MacGalempsy: to be continued...
01:03 AM janmar is now known as JanMrlth
02:22 AM Deejay: moin
04:33 AM jthornton: morning
05:53 AM miss0r: Mornin
05:53 AM XXCoder: morn
05:53 AM miss0r: Can any of you guys recommend a fleabay special dividing head for light milling?
05:54 AM miss0r: syyl: You might just be the one I've been looking for: I've decided to make some replacement parts for my good'ol landrover :)
05:54 AM syyl: lol :D
05:54 AM miss0r: but I need to make a setup to cut splines :)
05:54 AM XXCoder: missor dunno basic google shows bunch at sub 100 to 300 bucks with various abilities
05:54 AM miss0r: and with no dividing head, I don't think I have alot of options; or do you have a great idea? :)
05:55 AM syyl: get a dividing head? ;)
05:55 AM XXCoder: cheap one https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-5-C-Spin-Index/G5649
05:55 AM Wolf__: cheap rotary table + stepper and arduino
05:55 AM miss0r: XXCoder: Indeed; that is why I was hoping for some prefrences from in here
05:55 AM syyl: they are for grinding, XXCoder
05:55 AM miss0r: Wolf__: hehe.. you DO realize I want to use this to mill steel in it, right?
05:55 AM miss0r: :D
05:55 AM XXCoder: ahh
05:55 AM syyl: the lock etc are not realy well suited for milling
05:56 AM miss0r: syyl: That is the same conclusion I got at looking at most of the cheap ones
05:56 AM syyl: vertex rotary table and dividing plate setup
05:56 AM syyl: and all will be fine
05:56 AM syyl: :)
05:56 AM syyl: if you dont have to make 25
05:56 AM miss0r: I only want to make 10 :D
05:56 AM miss0r: (for starters) :D
05:56 AM Wolf__: going cut splines with a hob?
05:57 AM XXCoder: is it evenly dividable in 4 or 6?
05:57 AM miss0r: Without the proper machine for it, I don't see that going my way :)
05:57 AM XXCoder: theres collet holders thats in box or hex that you can use to mill stuff
05:57 AM miss0r: XXCoder: To be perfectly honnest, I have not counted them yet :D
05:57 AM XXCoder: but only for 4 or 6 sided stuff
05:57 AM XXCoder: (well or divisions of such like 2 and 3)
05:58 AM Wolf__: I need to set my rotary table up to make some HTD 5m pulleys…
05:58 AM miss0r: it seems theres 46 splines on this 23mm shaft
05:59 AM XXCoder: yeah slightly too many points for basic tool I menioned
05:59 AM miss0r: (i'll need to do a recount before actualy doing any math :D )
05:59 AM miss0r: syyl: You wouldn't happen to have a fleabay link for the vertex head you are referring to?
06:00 AM miss0r: syyl: Also; it makes me sad that you only have an old dividing head.. Let me order you one fresh off of ebay, and you can send me yours :D
06:04 AM miss0r: This one looks somewhat decent: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERTEX-BS0-J-DIVIDING-HEAD-TAILSTOCK-DIVIDING-PLATES-3-JAW-LATHE-CHUCK-MILLING/372366356332?hash=item56b2c3af6c:g:2-0AAOSwzlFbRyiR:rk:2:pf:0
06:05 AM XXCoder: interesting looking
06:07 AM Wolf__: I’ve played with my dividing plate set once, and I’m not sure if I ever want to attempt to make something using it lol
06:08 AM miss0r: I have a rotary table for the mill. But it is not the kind that can be set at an upright angle.
06:08 AM miss0r: so I don't ever use it. Making large round stuff I just let the mill interpolate it instead
06:08 AM Wolf__: yeah that sucks, the one I got w/ my stuff is flat mount only as well
06:09 AM miss0r: but that being said, it is nice and big. I think it has an OD of 400mm
06:09 AM miss0r: (OD of the moveable table)
06:09 AM miss0r: it is heavy as well :)
06:10 AM Wolf__: my one cnc mill has too much backlash in the lead screws and is too flexy to make anything that needs tolerances lol
06:10 AM XXCoder: cant add anti-bacllash?
06:10 AM XXCoder: lead screws for 3d printers have special antibacklash nuts
06:11 AM miss0r: hehe.. round tolerences? hehe I would never use interpolations to do a bearing fit anyway :)
06:11 AM Wolf__: yeah, toss the crap lead screws and install ball screws
06:11 AM Wolf__: but that wont help the column flex
06:12 AM Wolf__: yeah, I tried bearing fit once
06:12 AM miss0r: Well.. Even with "no baclkash" theres always backlash. Doing bearing fits using interpolation is not a good idea :)
06:12 AM miss0r: No matter your setup
06:12 AM miss0r: well, perhaps new multi million dollar cnc centers can do that to tolerence.
06:13 AM Wolf__: bearing went in, because I used a high force hydraulic press, broke the bearing lol
06:13 AM XXCoder: Wolf__: is your cnc machine using chinese bearing balls?
06:13 AM XXCoder: might be worthwhile to setup bearing ball size sorter and sort out too small and large ones
06:13 AM Wolf__: its a X1 micro mill, the 6” vice on my jet mill weighs more then the X1
06:14 AM miss0r: not too much beef in that then
06:15 AM miss0r: I run an old Deckel maho. Huge lumb of iron.. But I do have some wear in the ballscrews. I have a replacement lined up for the Y-axis, and I've reballed the X-axis
06:15 AM Wolf__: I paid $250-300 for it w/ everything to run it, was ok to learn on =)
06:15 AM miss0r: Indeed
06:16 AM miss0r: anyway. I better get back into the house, so the misses does not kill me :) see you around
06:17 AM XXCoder: later
06:17 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/Y3HQkf1.jpg
06:17 AM Wolf__: =D
06:17 AM XXCoder: umm misses? as in more than one
06:17 AM XXCoder: many misses
06:17 AM XXCoder: Wolf__: lol kinda reminds me of the afrotech mill one
06:17 AM XXCoder: only yours is all commerical basically
06:19 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/5Yugmpp.jpg the extended X1 (actually X2 x/y base) sitting on the Jet lol
06:20 AM Wolf__: oh, anyone happen to know wtf a superspacer is useful for?
06:21 AM syyl_: a superspacer has the option for direct indexing
06:21 AM syyl_: you can do indexing via wormdrive/indexing disc
06:21 AM syyl_: of direct indexing of 36
06:21 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/EhH5hSG.jpg disk only
06:23 AM Wolf__: I have yet to figure out a case that it would be handy to use lol
06:23 AM XXCoder: its fanastic dust collectpr
06:24 AM Wolf__: yeah, that it is doing, right next to the 5c spindexer
06:26 AM Wolf__: I did pull the buck chuck off of it and drilled/tapped the phase 2 rotary table so I can mount it up easy
06:31 AM Wolf__: still need to turn a round centering plate to stick on the table tho
06:35 AM Wolf__: have had the project sitting on the bench for over 6mo, was hung up on how to mount the stepper to the rotary until some smart guy showed off a simple block with a hole in it to clamp fit to the thing
06:41 AM Wolf__: except my luck, I have no aluminum stock on hand the right size so I cant make said mounting block so of course I’ll probably have to make some multi part pain in the ass
08:31 AM PL7icnc: Hi
08:35 AM PL7icnc: Not that many Action Here
08:41 AM PL7icnc: is BigJohn Here
08:43 AM PL7icnc: or andy... from the Forum
08:45 AM PL7icnc: Good Day fragalot
08:45 AM fragalot: Hello PL7icnc
08:46 AM PL7icnc: I did read back lots of logs on IchG... PC and Your name is lots of times on it
08:46 AM PL7icnc: fragalot, a did start to upload his tutorials
08:46 AM PL7icnc: with his Familie Permission actuly i recived his main PC and a Testmashine
08:47 AM PL7icnc: jepler If you read this Why did the Forum Stop on Anouncment bevor the Release of 2.7.14
10:28 AM Jymmm: "Suitable Age... 6-9 months" https://www.dx.com/p/esamact-remote-control-toy-777-270-mini-wifi-rc-car-with-camera-support-ios-phone-android-real-time-transmission-rc-tank-fswb-2091386
10:47 AM CaptHindsight: https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/bristol-lagun-8x18-cnc-lathe/6789044452.html
10:47 AM CaptHindsight: Lagun 8x18 CNC lathe - $2000
10:47 AM Tom_L: would be nice to have Ich's tutorials back
10:48 AM CaptHindsight: <PL7icnc> fragalot, a did start to upload his tutorials
10:48 AM CaptHindsight: he logged in and out pretty quick
10:48 AM CaptHindsight: like he has dial up
10:49 AM tiwake: CaptHindsight: I want it
10:50 AM Tom_L: i was driving around the other day and saw a Tree cnc siting outside the back of a shop that looked like it was on the way out
10:52 AM tiwake: how much would a big manual vertical lathe run?
10:52 AM tiwake: the turn table is something like 60" across
10:53 AM tiwake: old german machine, hardly used
10:53 AM Tom_L: $1.23 / lb
10:53 AM tiwake: heh
11:37 AM Jymmm: This is kinda cool actually... It's a ESP32 "dev board"... https://www.aliexpress.com/item/M5Stack-NEW-Offer-ESP32-Open-Source-Faces-Pocket-Computer-with-Keyboard-Gameboy-Calculator-for-Micropython-Arduino/32843973578.html
12:44 PM fragalot: gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WOOD-ROUTER-BITS-CNC-ENGRAVING-BITS-HUGE-JOB-LOT-OVER-3-300-PIECES-JOBLOT-TOOLS/322258661153?hash=item4b081cef21:g:MrgAAOSwxg5X09V5
12:46 PM gloops: lol, have they robbed a woodwork shop or something?
12:46 PM gloops: they are worth buying, even if only to put back on ebay BIN £4 each
12:58 PM _unreal_: well it finally happend..... a USB to CF adapter I have used like once...... I now need and I dont know if I have it or not any more
01:05 PM gloops: _unreal_ you know this is the hobby that always makes less than it costs
01:10 PM _unreal_: ? I dont know how that is relevant to the fact that I have a computer that needs a special type of CF card reader so I can format the card... and cnc work are related
01:11 PM gloops: sounds like youll be buying another adapter anyway
01:21 PM _unreal_: maybe...... I have a tower computer with a bootable CF adapter.... just dont want to dig the damn thing out
01:21 PM _unreal_: all I need to do is make the CF harddrive bootable to dos...
01:22 PM _unreal_: this is for a NON linuxcnc project
01:22 PM _unreal_: 18 year old internet computer thing..... finally hacking
02:35 PM Wolf__: miss0r: https://sites.google.com/site/lagadoacademy/machining---lathes-mills-etc/build---electronic-indexing-head?pli=1
02:36 PM XXCoder: nice. temp one to make better one
02:39 PM Wolf__: yeah, and touched up code for the driver as well
02:42 PM XXCoder: locking tabs interesting
02:45 PM Wolf__: dawned on me that I was over thinking the mount for my rotary
02:47 PM gloops: that one does look slightly insubstantial for milling steel?
02:47 PM XXCoder: gloops: its temp one to make better one
02:48 PM XXCoder: at end he makes 2 gears i guess will be used for it
02:48 PM gloops: ahh right
02:48 PM XXCoder: 4th axis kickstarter ;)
02:49 PM Wolf__: I was more interested in the coding
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: most of the maker stuff are toys vs machines
02:51 PM CaptHindsight: under the guise of new is better
02:51 PM Wolf__: most of the ones that post/blog/whatever are more software vs hardware guys imo
02:52 PM CaptHindsight: how come you never hear "hey I made this and I know it's crap, can someone help me make a real one"
02:53 PM * Wolf__ knows this build is crap https://i.imgur.com/VNcL0F3.jpg but I know whats needed to fix it as well
02:54 PM Wolf__: runs ok at <100ipm lol
02:55 PM XXCoder: capt honestly it depends. i know reprap design as I call it, is crap but i use it anyway. some people think its good design because they arent machinists
02:56 PM XXCoder: i hate how they deal with coordite design
02:57 PM XXCoder: they done use g54 etc, they just use machine coord, and slicer places object.
02:57 PM gloops: chain drive would speed the plasma cutter up
02:57 PM XXCoder: why cant I just set ibject coord to zero and place it at whatever i want on bed
02:57 PM Wolf__: yeah, would whip less for sure lol
02:58 PM XXCoder: want other place? re-slice it with hopefully same settings and export gcode again
02:58 PM Wolf__: because non-machinists wrote the code
02:58 PM XXCoder: yep
02:58 PM XXCoder: having part coord would solve one bad problem with all printers
02:58 PM XXCoder: you have to adjust noozle to be just above bed right where it hits switch and triggers limit.
02:59 PM XXCoder: yeah.
02:59 PM Wolf__: I use a bed probe =P
02:59 PM XXCoder: thats just a workaround to bad machine design
02:59 PM Wolf__: I’m planning to build another i3V type printer tho
03:01 PM Wolf__: but no floating bed this time, I think i’m going to bolt a 12”x12” heat bed down to alum plate w/ kaowool board insulator spacer
03:03 PM Wolf__: unless someone has a better suggestion of something to use as a thermal insulator/break that is rigid and flat-ish
03:04 PM Wolf__: > fail https://i.imgur.com/3OjDUgn.jpg
03:05 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: I like it. You can keep an eye on your work while relaxing.
03:05 PM XXCoder: high end bed.
03:06 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: make sure bed is adjustable though
03:06 PM XXCoder: 3 point adjustable
03:06 PM XXCoder: and if possible, nothing above the surface itself
03:06 PM Wolf__: nope, well if needed I’ll shim the wheel positions
03:07 PM XXCoder: even better if you get one of those new spring steel covers thats easily held in place by magnets in under bed
03:07 PM Wolf__: flexible PCB cant be leveled
03:07 PM Wolf__: I have that problem right now
03:08 PM XXCoder: you can remove bed and bend it to remove prints once its cool and doesnt pop off automatically. recent 3d print invention apparently
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: Wolf__: flex as in polyester film? or just warped FR$ G10 etc
03:08 PM CaptHindsight: FR4
03:08 PM Wolf__: I started using magigoo, my prints pop off soon as the bed cools
03:09 PM Wolf__: warped FR4
03:09 PM Wolf__: or it flexes to match the window glass imperfections
03:10 PM XXCoder: oh yes! something you can add since youre also a machinist: dial indictor bed leveler
03:10 PM XXCoder: makes it heck of a lot easier
03:10 PM Wolf__: naa I want a build it once and dont have to fuck with it setup
03:11 PM Wolf__: I guess I could always get thicker glass and surface grind it w/ diamond wheel lol
03:12 PM CaptHindsight: shrinky dinks
03:12 PM XXCoder: ground glass lol
03:13 PM XXCoder: you can fuse glass to make really chunky thick glass using telescope homebrew techinque
03:13 PM XXCoder: then ground it on both sides. very flat
03:14 PM Wolf__: or just lap it on a surface plate
03:14 PM XXCoder: http://www.mdpub.com/scopeworks/fused_blanks/
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: are you guys talking about making a flat heater bed for FDM?
03:14 PM XXCoder: you can fuse cheap glass into inch thick sheet lol
03:14 PM Wolf__: yeah lol
03:15 PM tiwake: I'm welding up a set of garage doors right now
03:15 PM Wolf__: too thick bed surface is a pain in the ass for FDM
03:15 PM CaptHindsight: I'll have some of what you are having
03:15 PM XXCoder: wolf yep! lol though you will NEVER have warping issues
03:16 PM XXCoder: and I suppose you could use heated enclosure, heat controlled by pid to not need a heated bed
03:16 PM Wolf__: only warping issues I have is abs pulling off the bed
03:16 PM Wolf__: because my machine isnt inclosed
03:16 PM Wolf__: enclosed even
03:16 PM XXCoder: abs pulls as soon as you look at it wrong
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: enclose it
03:17 PM XXCoder: you should read that site though, its interesting process
03:17 PM XXCoder: even if not planning to make glass for printer
03:18 PM Wolf__: thats part of the idea for the new build, pretty much mod a I3v design to be inside a box frame so I can enclose it easy
03:19 PM Wolf__: and larger ridged frame
03:19 PM CaptHindsight: 40F and clouds
03:19 PM CaptHindsight: time to get out and enjoy the heat
03:20 PM CaptHindsight: 65F degrees cooler less than 48 hours ago
03:20 PM Wolf__: 37F here
03:21 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bf5uNpUNC0 interesting
03:21 PM Wolf__: last tuesday daytime temp 10F, next tueday 59 lol
03:21 PM XXCoder: nice and warm at 47f but tomorrow sleet and next day snow for first time
03:22 PM tiwake: 68f here right now
03:36 PM Wolf__: wish it was that warm out here, then I would be out in the driveway installing the new battery in my car
03:40 PM gloops: 0C here
03:40 PM gloops: february can be the worst month
03:59 PM XXCoder: Wolf__: ever milled glass?
04:05 PM Deejay: gn8
04:09 PM Wolf__: no, I haven’t milled glass
04:10 PM XXCoder: lol ok. i was thinking on how to do it evenually
04:10 PM XXCoder: not a big cutting just engraving in most case
04:11 PM Wolf__: vinyl mask cut out, then sandblast it
04:11 PM Wolf__: or co2 laser :P
04:13 PM XXCoder: i suppose lol
04:20 PM gloops: hmm, found a neat trick in blender, it exports a vector image of 3d models
04:20 PM gloops: http://goinkscape.com/use-blender-freestyle-to-export-svg-artwork/ like the car at the bottom
04:22 PM XXCoder: nice
04:22 PM XXCoder: with that you can make engraving detail stuff
04:22 PM gloops: yeah i thought that
04:22 PM XXCoder: just make model, position it just so, then export 2d vector
04:22 PM gloops: probably lots of apps do it but i just came accross it
04:25 PM XXCoder: too bad i dont know blend
05:35 PM Vitran: I have a lathe and it is using GmoccaPY and it needs to have a Y listed as an axis. I need to make the machine think it is homed all the time
05:36 PM Vitran: Without the Y axis, the machine says it cannot figure out what this 'w' axis is, the tailstock
05:37 PM Vitran: and does not load Gmoccapy
05:37 PM Vitran: So I am looking at options. I have an axis listed in the ini that is [AXIS_1] and under Home_Sequence = -1
05:40 PM Vitran: This is what I get if I don't have the COORDINATES = X Y Z W https://i.imgur.com/gtIZ6W9.png
06:12 PM jthornton: a negative home sequence means to home two axes with the same number as a gantry
06:16 PM Vitran: From this, it said leave it blank or have it as -1 https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/26592-no-force-homing-for-rotational-axis-only
06:16 PM Vitran: I just did a test with NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1 and that works, but I don't like using that
06:17 PM Vitran: Is there a way to "setp halui.joint.1.is-homed TRUE"?
06:17 PM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini-homing.html
06:17 PM jthornton: read the docs about home search vel
06:18 PM jthornton: are you using master or 2.7?
06:18 PM Vitran: 2.7
06:18 PM Vitran: afik
06:18 PM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html#_home_search_vel
06:19 PM jthornton: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/config/ini-homing.html#_configuration
06:19 PM jthornton: see the chart for homing type immediate
06:19 PM Vitran: My core goal here is to make the machine think the axis Y is homed, an axis that doesn't exist
06:20 PM jthornton: why?
06:21 PM Vitran: I have a lathe with a servo driven tailstock
06:21 PM Vitran: I have axis XZW
06:22 PM Vitran: In order to launch GMOCCAPY, it requires a axis Y or it states that it cannot figure out what the W is
06:22 PM Vitran: I get this error https://i.imgur.com/gtIZ6W9.png
06:22 PM jthornton: oh that's a issue with gmoccooppy not linuxcnc
06:22 PM * jthornton hugs QtPyVCP again
06:23 PM Vitran: After a lot of fighting, I found that. In lathe mode it will not let me go to MDI mode unless the Y axis is homed
06:23 PM jthornton: that's not very nice
06:23 PM Vitran: so I am trying to make the machine believe the fake Y axis is homed
06:23 PM CaptHindsight: Vitran: I'd ask on the forums
06:24 PM jthornton: well create the axis and do as it says in the manual
06:27 PM Vitran: I have been reading those for a bit now. I also know that this is kinda a wierd hack trying to make a fake Y axis and making it homed. I did read from Andy that there was a way to make a single axis not require homing, but as he put it, it would take some coding
06:28 PM Vitran: On some older forum posts
06:28 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/statistics
06:29 PM CaptHindsight: Gmoccapy is the most popular topic
06:29 PM Vitran: It is a nicer interface
06:29 PM jthornton: or problematic
06:58 PM Tom_L: evening...
07:18 PM skunkworks: CaptHindsight: lowest I saw was -27
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: skunkworks: some of the weather stations in that area went way lower, not sure if they are considered accurate
07:21 PM CaptHindsight: near 50F tomorrow, near 70F delta
07:21 PM gregcnc: ant bites on the lathe?
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: just scammers, like every ad on CL
07:22 PM CaptHindsight: as soon as it goes live you get a scam text in broken english
07:22 PM gregcnc: yeah
07:27 PM MacGalempsy: good evening
07:29 PM CaptHindsight: I have question about it . How long time did use it and what reasons do you want to sell? reply my questions answer here :: email@example.com
07:30 PM MacGalempsy: ok. just spent some time scanning
07:30 PM MacGalempsy: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3400371
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: they want to get your real email address as well
07:30 PM MacGalempsy: you might need to download the obj or stl to see it
07:30 PM CaptHindsight: It is looking good. I want to get it. Text me to firstname.lastname@example.org ,If it is still available.
07:30 PM MacGalempsy: time for a food reward...
07:30 PM gregcnc: oh I haven't listed on CL in a while
07:31 PM CaptHindsight: MacGalempsy: it shows up here just fine
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: at least they are polite, after 10pm and before 9am they text scam you asking if it OK to call
07:32 PM gregcnc: hah
07:32 PM CaptHindsight: Hi.wanna buy your " blah blah blah" Can i call now?
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: I ask them to send a pic of the cash with the serial numbers showing
07:33 PM gregcnc: lol
07:33 PM CaptHindsight: freaks them out
07:35 PM CaptHindsight: had one ask ".are you real seller?"
07:35 PM gregcnc: honestly I don't know how CL survives
07:35 PM CaptHindsight: I answered that I am a physical being and do they have real money
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: after a few days the scammmers stop
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: they seem to prey on new listings only
07:36 PM CaptHindsight: answering in broken English is also fun
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: do you send monies for "xxxx" how much monies you gots for it?
07:37 PM CaptHindsight: I like money
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: https://southbend.craigslist.org/tls/d/bristol-lagun-8x18-cnc-lathe/6789044452.html only $2k
07:39 PM MarcelineVQ: "do you moneygram?"
07:39 PM CaptHindsight: nice retrofit project
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: sned monies with western onion, then I send you lathe with emails
07:40 PM CaptHindsight: no scam you, thnks
07:41 PM Rab: Wow, that Lagun is a clean piece of hardware for its age.
07:41 PM MarcelineVQ: western onion :>
07:42 PM Rab: How would you move something like that? Is it all self-contained on a frame, or does stuff have to come off?
07:42 PM CaptHindsight: I have a 5ton forklift
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: lift, put skates under, pull, push to trailer
07:43 PM CaptHindsight: tilt bed pickups go to 20K lbs around here
07:44 PM CaptHindsight: my forklift is 16.5k lbs so I need 2 trucks for the return trip
07:44 PM Rab: Looks sexy in the crashing surf: http://img.directindustry.es/images_di/photo-g/7158-3337731.jpg
07:44 PM CaptHindsight: or a tractor trailer with ramps, dock etc
07:44 PM MarcelineVQ: the first time I saw a tilt bed truck was a memorable day, nothing especially interesting occured, it's just memorable in that it was something new
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: 300 mi round trip for me
07:46 PM Rab: Ohio Division of Vocational Education asset tag.
07:46 PM CaptHindsight: but located in Indiana
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: probably a school machine
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: I'd probably get it
07:47 PM Rab: So maybe some abuse, but not a lot of production.
07:47 PM CaptHindsight: yeah
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: https://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_hkq0c0YCzqf_1200x900.jpg
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: no obvous crashes
07:48 PM CaptHindsight: obvious
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/d/summit-argo-cnc-emco-pc-turn-55-lathe/6808858186.html
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: $4k for this tuny Emco
07:51 PM CaptHindsight: tiny
07:52 PM gregcnc: this is too much too, unless you really need two projects https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bfs/d/aurora-cnc-turning-center-lathe/6785830400.html
07:53 PM CaptHindsight: https://images.craigslist.org/00I0I_ebYB07zYGwf_1200x900.jpg what is this?
07:54 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: depends on what is missing from the parts machine
07:55 PM CaptHindsight: controls go anyway but if it been robbed of motors it's usually not worth much
07:55 PM Rab: The ultralight educational stuff is always grossly overvalued. E.g. tiny mill with anodized aluminum ways in a cabinet for $$$$.
07:57 PM CaptHindsight: everybody keeping busy?
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: jan was practically dead
07:58 PM Rab: CaptHindsight, some kind of hydraulic drawing (as in pulling) machine?
07:58 PM gregcnc: tube bender
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/tls/d/savanna-machine-shop-items-for-sale-all/6805087432.html maybe in this list
07:58 PM CaptHindsight: pines tube benders
08:05 PM XXCoder: wonder if its going under salkes
08:07 PM gregcnc: Those tiny Emco 50 and 55 machines are just expenvise, the are properly designed and cast iron made in Austria. New price is >20kUSD
08:51 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04e1sLWk2ok
08:51 PM XXCoder: he has interesting machine
08:52 PM XXCoder: can do flat like router, has area like lathe/mill, and of course he has drop down area so he has "unlimited" part length for edge milling
09:15 PM `Wolf_: kinda neat
09:21 PM XXCoder: yeah
09:21 PM `Wolf_: my cnc table has no table part
09:25 PM XXCoder: interesting
09:25 PM XXCoder: so just frames eh
09:43 PM `Wolf_: yeah just frame
09:44 PM `Wolf_: plasma thing is lighter then the plates of steel being cut
09:45 PM XXCoder: lol
09:46 PM `Wolf_: machine is maybe 50lbs, 1/2” plate is over 600 iirc
09:47 PM `Wolf_: 653.4lbs lol
09:48 PM `Wolf_: 3/4” plate is 980…
09:49 PM `Wolf_: also the reason I dont care that max speed is under 100ipm lol
09:51 PM XXCoder: lol yeah machines according to users not other way
09:52 PM ziper: XXCoder, do you know, can I cut carbon fiber plate with a regular router bit?
09:52 PM XXCoder: lol good question, probably will abuse tool pretty heavily
09:52 PM XXCoder: and rough cut
09:53 PM `Wolf_: carbide bur but
09:53 PM `Wolf_: burr
09:53 PM XXCoder: carbide burr butt
09:53 PM XXCoder: corrected
09:53 PM ziper: the problem is I want to do an inlay
09:54 PM ziper: so the bit has to be the same diameter as the little collar thing that goes on the router
09:54 PM `Wolf_: use burr to rough then fluted to finish pass
09:54 PM `Wolf_: you can usually get smaller collets for the router
09:55 PM `Wolf_: if not reduction bushing
09:58 PM ziper: I don't think that would work but I don't have a good enough understanding of the process to articulate why
09:58 PM ziper: maybe I shouldnt bother recessing the letters, just make them out of a single ply and bond them to the wood
09:59 PM XXCoder: sometimes best way is just try and learn. though cf sheets is expensive to learn on..
09:59 PM ziper: i've got some scrap laying around and I don't mind laminating them myself
10:00 PM XXCoder: nice. yeah can play around and see what works.
10:00 PM ziper: i'm sure proper billet is pricy
10:04 PM ziper: i'm making a trophy for a boat race, and the boats are CF, so I figure there has to be at least one CF part on it, even if the wood looks better IMO
10:04 PM XXCoder: :) nice
10:04 PM XXCoder: crf letters or background?
10:06 PM ziper: here's the mock-up. if the letters don't work I could simplify the radius on the base and laminate that. or the model hull. or make a carbon sail https://i.imgur.com/opBdwC3.jpg
10:07 PM XXCoder: theres other inlay method that can make sharp inside corners
10:07 PM XXCoder: its bit tricky though
10:08 PM ziper: how's it work
10:08 PM XXCoder: basically it rises as it does corners but inlay inverse have to be correct size so it fits inside. lemme find video
10:08 PM ziper: I wasn't really impressed with the typeface of the typical letter templates
10:09 PM ziper: I have this router handbook. it has some sections on freehand lettering that looks absolutely wicked but I don't know if I up to that
10:10 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUHxj5Cu2QA
10:10 PM ziper: oh, heres an idea. make the voids for the letters, bond the CF in the female mold, and then route the whole thing flat again, taking off the extra carbon around the edges
10:10 PM XXCoder: youre not using cnc router?
10:11 PM ziper: nope, lol
10:11 PM ziper: manual
10:11 PM XXCoder: lol then sharp corner inlays is hell of a lot harder.
10:11 PM ziper: my CNC doesn't work yet, this is supposed to be done by the end of the month
10:12 PM ziper: but yeah that method looks sweet
10:13 PM XXCoder: concept is really simple. you make inlay and its inverse
10:14 PM XXCoder: glue together and cut off inverse
10:14 PM XXCoder: tip is to make inverse deeper so ypou have gap between blocks for easier cutting
10:15 PM `Wolf_: “I don't think that would work” wut...
10:18 PM `Wolf_: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000P4SK58
10:18 PM XXCoder: what about that tool
10:19 PM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4VMo9DCzO8 maybe more theory explained
10:19 PM ziper: `Wolf_, i'm trying to not have to make two templates. If i make two templates than I could use any size tools
10:19 PM `Wolf_: oh, you’re talking about the template collars
10:20 PM ziper: but if you use a bushing that is the right size, and the right size collar, then...
10:20 PM ziper: at least, thats what I think. I'm no router pro. this one has only been working for 2 dayz
10:20 PM `Wolf_: you would need to use 2 different guide bushing
10:21 PM `Wolf_: one for the inlay, one for the part being cut for inlay
10:21 PM ziper: right
10:21 PM `Wolf_: or just cnc it
10:21 PM ziper: can I use urs?
10:21 PM XXCoder: lol
10:21 PM `Wolf_: sure
10:22 PM ziper: ok, i'll be right over
10:22 PM `Wolf_: should be fun to plasma wood