#linuxcnc Logs

Jan 18 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

01:18 AM XXCoder1: interesting cnc design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2EgxiMTvI0
01:22 AM Jymmm: Wood gasifier results... https://youtu.be/agVrtCtX_ZQ?t=946
01:22 AM XXCoder1: i like his design for table saw jig, metal strip to hav easily lockable stop
01:29 AM XXCoder1: man!!
01:29 AM XXCoder1: the patching table holes with drawings by his kids thing is brilliant
01:31 AM XXCoder1: he vectorized the drawings and cut flaws out with it, then made fill parts and glued it in, then faced the top
01:38 AM veek: is there a difference between cutting steel bolts and wood twigs? (thinking of using a bolt cutter to cut some bamboo twigs)
01:38 AM XXCoder1: teeth spacing
01:39 AM XXCoder1: metal chips fall out easier to teeth is pretty small
01:39 AM Wolf__: metal shears easier than plant fibers
01:39 AM veek: ah hmm ok thanks
01:40 AM XXCoder1: shears not saw type nm lol
01:42 AM XXCoder1: hes crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgUWd_U2P1w
02:14 AM Deejay: moin
02:56 AM Wolf__: syyl: see the link I posted yesterday am?
04:55 AM _unreal_: XXCoder1, Tom_L etc..... just found most of what I need prebuilt preempt and ROS builds for my board. https://tinkerboarding.co.uk/forum/thread-69.html
04:56 AM XXCoder1: fun
05:45 AM enleth: any hints for welding up and remachining a worn down dog clutch?
05:46 AM jthornton: use the right rod and anneal the part after welding
05:46 AM XXCoder1: buy new part ;)
05:49 AM Tom_L: morning
05:49 AM Deejay: hey
05:49 AM jthornton: morning
05:50 AM enleth: XXCoder1: $600 or so at H&W
05:51 AM XXCoder1: cheap! lol yeah if budget is tight i'd rather weld up and fix
05:51 AM enleth: I could hire someone to recondition those parts for that kind of money
05:51 AM Tom_L: 38F, Hi 45, Lo 16 hmm, cold front on the way
05:52 AM enleth: XXCoder1: I'm actually considering pre-machining just the clutch plates on that very bridgeport, then facing the original teeth off completely on a lathe and welding the plates in
05:52 AM enleth: should be easier than welding up in situ and grinding into shape
05:53 AM XXCoder1: if you could manage key trapeioid it would create even stronger connection, but then weld would be strong enough I guess
05:54 AM enleth: well, the birdgeport is CNC, i can machine any shape I see fit
05:54 AM enleth: OK, that does seem to be the correct way to do it
05:54 AM enleth: I can check the fit and so on without disassembling and disabling the machine until I'm sure that it would fir
05:54 AM enleth: *fit
05:56 AM enleth: the general problem I'm trying to fix is that in high gear the machine sounds like someone dragged a crate full of steel scrap over cobblestone at high speed
05:56 AM enleth: however, at low gear, it sounds absolutely perfectly
05:57 AM XXCoder1: does it use different gears for those speeds?
05:57 AM enleth: in the low gear, the loudest part of the machine is the V-belt, even with the motor overdriven to 120Hz, which is twice the design speed and nets about 3700RPM
05:57 AM enleth: and the only part that is *not* transferring power in low gear is the dog clutch
05:58 AM enleth: it gets engaged for high gear only
05:59 AM enleth: well OK, I need to model this cluctch and mill it in something like chromoly, then weld it in
07:44 AM rmu: i'm experimenting with one of my spare 7i90s connected to a PC via epp, and i get errors with smart serial
07:44 AM rmu: hm2/hm2_7i90.0: hm2_sserial_waitfor: Timeout (50mS) waiting for addr 5c00 &mask ff00 val 2000
07:45 AM rmu: hm2/hm2_7i90.0: DATA addr 5d00 after timeout: 12345678
07:48 AM rmu: mesaflash also doesn't want to display anything about connected smart serial devices (other 7i90s9
07:48 AM pcw_home: what sserial remote?
07:49 AM rmu: 7i90
07:49 AM rmu: work flawlessly with raspberry pi/spi firmware
07:51 AM pcw_home: so 7I90 EPP talking to second 7I90 with ssremote firmware?
07:52 AM rmu: yes
07:54 AM pcw_home: Its possible there are bugs in the 7I90 ssremote stiffware that may be exposed by newer LinuxCNC driver code (I found some while re-writing the 7I90 code for the 7IA0)
07:55 AM rmu: how much newer? my pc checkout is current, the raspberry pi one is from mid-december
07:55 AM pcw_home: those should be the same
07:56 AM pcw_home: the new stuff is the part that walks through the parameter database to expose settable parameters to hal
07:56 AM pcw_home: so the 7I90 remote works with the SPI host?
07:56 AM rmu: yes
07:57 AM pcw_home: OK so probably not LinuxCNC related
07:58 AM rmu: perhaps i have old epp firmware in 7i90
07:58 AM pcw_home: is the EPP connection reliable excluding the ssremote? (EPP connections are somewhat succeptable to noise/ground bumping)
07:59 AM pcw_home: I dont think the EPP firmware has changed for years
07:59 AM rmu: the one I flashed is from 2014
08:00 AM pcw_home: I dont think its even been changed
08:01 AM pcw_home: nor are there any known bugs (the SPI firmware had a bug fixed about 1-2 years ago)
08:02 AM pcw_home: is the host side sserial stiffware version 43?
08:03 AM rmu: yes, version 43
08:03 AM rmu: hm2/hm2_7i90.0: Smart Serial Firmware Version 43
08:04 AM pcw_home: then everything should be the same, so maybe EPP issue
08:04 AM rmu: io_error stays "FALSE"
08:04 AM pcw_home: That just shows that the handshaking is working
08:06 AM rmu: ok i will look at the cabling. ATM it is a flat ribbon from motherboard idc to subd25 about 20cm, then 1m flat ribbon 25pin 1:1 cable, then 10cm subd25 to idc into 7i90
08:08 AM pcw_home: Should be OK ( I've used 5m flat cables, OK if _no_ external noise ) whats you servo thread rate?
08:11 AM rmu: 1khz
08:11 AM rmu: but that is even before doing any addfs
08:12 AM pcw_home: yeah looks like it fails during discovery
08:12 AM rmu: hmm. really seems to be the cabling
08:12 AM rmu: i cut out the 1m thing in between and error is gone
08:15 AM pcw_home: Ahh... It may also be that the EPP sserial code does not have the latest UART RX digital filter gimcracks (~2016 vintage)
08:15 AM rmu: is the 7i80 with raspberry pi spi header available yet?
08:15 AM pcw_home: Yes 7C80 (fancy) and 7C81 (simple)
08:15 AM pcw_home: want a proto?
08:16 AM rmu: but they are not in the mesanet store are they?
08:16 AM rmu: is it possible to connect a thcad to them?
08:16 AM pcw_home: Not yet , just building first lots of 50 each now
08:17 AM pcw_home: 7C80 has differential encoder input so yes
08:21 AM rmu: i'm going to order a 7i80hd and a thcad 300V, and would like to add a 7c80
08:22 AM rmu: the difference between 7i80hd-16 and -25 is just the "size" of the FPGA?
08:24 AM pcw_home: Yes just FPGA size, unless you need 36 stepgens or something weird the -16 is always big enough
08:25 AM pcw_home: http://freeby.mesanet.com/7c80trans.png
08:26 AM XXCoder1: huge pic lol
08:29 AM pcw_home: http://freeby.mesanet.com/7c81trans.png
08:41 AM rmu: ok so i filled a cart, how do i add a 7c80?
08:43 AM pcw_home: If you want a proto 7C80 just add a note to that effect
08:48 AM rmu: hmm. seems checkout is not possible at the moment. CURL ERROR: 28::Operation timed out after 10001 milliseconds with 0 bytes received
08:49 AM pcw_home: thats odd
08:49 AM rmu: ok, it did checkout (received sms from CC), but order in shop is in limbo
08:53 AM rmu: strange. received that msg a second time
08:56 AM pcw_home: Yeah got another order in the mean time so store seems ok, not sure whats going on
08:58 AM rmu: ok tried again, now it worked
08:58 AM rmu: if this thing is implemented correctly it shoudl cancel the first CC transaction. Else I will ;-)
09:05 AM pcw_home: I only see one merchant transaction
09:46 AM pcw_home: Ack just got a merchant transaction for order 5129 that was incomplete, we will cancel that transaction (5131 is the correct one)
09:47 AM pcw_home: note that your credit card is not charged until we capture/ship
09:59 AM Jymmm: XXCoder1: Dining table video... the kids drawing inlays were cool. Man that is a HUGE cnc he has
09:59 AM Jymmm: XXCoder1: BIG ASS shop too, especially for just one guy
11:27 AM Net|: <Net|> i wonder if helium would work good in inflatable drones
11:27 AM Net|: <Net|> https://youtu.be/YWFEWg9oMFY?t=70
11:27 AM gregcnc: not enough volume to matter
12:08 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Workshop-Full-Of-a-range-of-used-woodworking-machinery-both-single-and-3-phase/312430703008?
12:10 PM Tom_L: needs some TLC
12:11 PM fragalot: as new condition. barely used
12:11 PM gloops: some good old machines there though, good buy for anyone trying to set up on a shoestring
12:12 PM Tom_L: unless you're on the wrong side of the pond
12:12 PM gloops: wrong side of the country for me
12:13 PM fragalot: wrong country for me
12:13 PM fragalot: :P
12:15 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/273652784665?
12:16 PM gloops: fine old lathe
12:16 PM gloops: pity he left it outside
12:19 PM MacGalempsy: hello
12:40 PM phaxx: anyone got any opinions on this bandsaw? https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/draper-30736-horizontal-and-vertical-metal-cut/
12:43 PM JT-Shop2: looks like your typical chinese band saw
12:43 PM phaxx: the other one I'm looking at in this range is https://www.starrett.co.uk/shop/bandsawmachines/bench_top_band_saw/s1101-f1/?item_id=S1101F1 and I'm wondering if the Draper's vertical feature is going to make it pretty flimsy.
12:44 PM gloops: draper is one of those makes that had a good reputation but is now chinese
12:45 PM gloops: where are you roughly phaxx?
12:45 PM phaxx: Ireland.
12:45 PM gloops: ahh
12:46 PM gloops: one here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-Horizontal-vertical-cutting-band-saw-located-BEDFORD/333011485071?
12:47 PM gloops: theres not much really to wear out on a bandsaw apart from bearings and tyres, the chinese ones the problem is the clamps and tensioners are made from crappy alloy, they snap, threads strip etc
12:48 PM fragalot: gloops: care to help me find a service manual for a invema FR 100 ?
12:48 PM fragalot: 1000*
12:49 PM fragalot: at least, I think it's from invema....
12:49 PM fragalot: the only marking on it is "FR 1000" cast into the head
12:49 PM gloops: can only google same as you lol
12:49 PM fragalot: your google-fu has helped before :D
12:50 PM fragalot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/C7pSWsjte71DyzJH6
12:50 PM fragalot: don't have an overview pic due to not having made one
12:50 PM fragalot: the thing is gushing oil faster than you can pour it in & i'm trying to find which seals it's got where
12:52 PM * fragalot afk
12:52 PM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGdXXoDW2V4 like that?
12:53 PM gloops: wondering if '100' is 4 inch
01:11 PM gregcnc: isn't that drill bigger than your shed?
01:13 PM gloops: no its 4ft - not 4 inch
01:23 PM gloops: made in taiwan? like naerok
01:56 PM gloops: ok, i buy one of these, stick it on my z, is the focus with these things just a matter of distance from the job?
01:56 PM gloops: so i 0 on the job then move z + whatever to the height it likes
02:00 PM gloops: no..i home the z, then take it to height of the job - whatever
02:25 PM Loetmichel: re at home. WHAT a torture . Started my day at 0100 this morning, driving 707km to Vienna in a company Merc E220D... with a lit "check engine" light... arrived at 0830, did 0900 to 1400 final acceptance at the customers place, drove 707km back... its now 2118 over here... and i am PRETTY tired. Also that §"$(%&( car decided to give me a heart attack when i rolled on the customers parking
02:25 PM Loetmichel: lot. pressed the brakes and the pedal just vanished. BIIIG message in the tachometer display: "ESP failure, reduced braking power!!!" I NOTICED; THANK YOU!... ignition off, ignition on: error gone... THATS reassuring when you have to drive 700km back home in that pile of junk...
02:27 PM Nick001-Shop: <pcw_mesa> Will a 7i77 card handle 2 operating spindles in 2.9?
02:27 PM Nick001-Shop: 2.9/2.8
02:29 PM pcw_mesa: Possibly by stealing a motion axis analog out but you would need an alternate enable
02:31 PM Nick001-Shop: 2.8 has 9 axes-no problem-whats an alternate enable?
02:39 PM pcw_mesa: the 7I77a analog enables are divided into 5 motion axis (common enable) and one spindle axis
02:39 PM pcw_mesa: if you want to steal a motion axis analog out to use for spindle control you must use something like a field I/O output for spindle enable
02:41 PM pcw_mesa: since there is only one independent spindle enable (on analog channel 5 of 0,1,2,3,4,5)
02:43 PM Nick001-Shop: would U axis work - What is field I/O output? I havn't come across that term and I don't seem to be able to find docs for 2.8. What I got was the index pages and the info pages were blank.
02:43 PM pcw_mesa: so if you have a 4 axis setup you could steal analog out 4 as a alternate spindle output and have 0,1,2,3 for motion axis and 4,5 for spindle
02:44 PM pcw_mesa: field I/O refers to the 7I77s 12/24V isolated I/O section
02:48 PM rmu: Loetmichel: i used to take rental for this kind of trips
02:48 PM Loetmichel: rmu: boss is to cheap for that
02:49 PM rmu: but all this driving just is a huge waste of time (and other things)
02:49 PM Loetmichel: he is also to cheap to maintain the Merc correctly.
02:49 PM Loetmichel: thats why it has all those issues
02:51 PM rmu: that ESP error is a flaky connection to some wheel sensor
02:51 PM Loetmichel: probably
02:51 PM rmu: once thats loose it will never be whole again
02:51 PM Loetmichel: on that car ALL the electrics are flaky
02:52 PM Loetmichel: it has intermittent "check engine", all kinds of funny errors, sometimes it just shuts off and dosent start for a day...
02:53 PM Loetmichel: its old. and everyone in the company takes it for whatever job is at hand that needs a station wagon,
02:53 PM rmu: frankfurt-vienna?
02:53 PM Loetmichel: so nobody feels responsible
02:53 PM Loetmichel: RM: yes
02:53 PM rmu: why don't you take the train
02:53 PM rmu: boss too cheap?
02:53 PM Loetmichel: because of trunk full of customer PCs
02:54 PM Loetmichel: "last minute delivery run"
02:54 PM Loetmichel: you know the problem?
02:54 PM rmu: try to avoid that
02:55 PM gloops: pull the clocks and take the bulbs out of the warning lights, or put some black tape over them
02:55 PM Loetmichel: wprked on the PCs until thurstday at 1700
02:55 PM Nick001-Shop: <pcw_mesa>I'll tuck that away for now til I get further on that project. Have a Hardinge hooked up to a 7i37TA with M102 & 103 collet open & close. How do I hook manual switches to also controll them. Also, would the switches be locked out during auto operatiom to prvent an operater from opening a collet or chuck while th spindle is turning?
02:55 PM Loetmichel: then loaaded the car, drove it home, slept a few hours, got up at 0100 and drove to vienna to be there in time for delivery
02:55 PM Loetmichel: ... barely
02:56 PM rmu: i'm too old for two 7h drives a day
02:56 PM Loetmichel: rmu: ... and a 5 hour customer acceptance check in the middle
02:56 PM rmu: did know some guys that didn't survive such drives
02:56 PM Loetmichel: <- 49 years old now... i feel it, belive me
02:56 PM rmu: "sekundenschlaf" and driving into a semi on the autobahn with 160kph
02:57 PM Loetmichel: a few decades earlier it was a LOT easier to do such silly things
02:57 PM Loetmichel: i am considerate enough to drive to the next parking lot and sleep a while in the car if i feel exhausted or sleepy
02:57 PM Loetmichel: i know the signs
02:58 PM Loetmichel: surprisingly i had no problems on the leg home
02:58 PM rmu: your merc surely has all that fancy distance radar and lane keeping assistants
02:58 PM rmu: fully functional
02:58 PM Loetmichel: rmu: its a2004 E220d with smallest aviable packages. company car
02:59 PM Loetmichel: and it has the "electronics flu" like most old mercs from that years
02:59 PM Loetmichel: phantom errors, real errors, no comfort at all...
02:59 PM Loetmichel: you know the drill ;)
02:59 PM rmu: the 95 vintage are worse
03:00 PM gloops: only supposed to keep them 3 years then buy a new one
03:00 PM pcw_mesa: Nick001-Shop: thats a generic hal file setup question maybe be best asked on the forum (lockout can be done in hal with the 'and' component and a specific motion pin that indicates interpreter state, I don know the name off-hand)
03:00 PM Loetmichel: yeah, if you vant vintage buy an 80ties one
03:00 PM rmu: those came with the flu out of sindelfingen
03:00 PM Loetmichel: they run forever ;)
03:01 PM rmu: i made the "mistake" to preorder a model 3 i think 3 years ago? when they were fist announced
03:01 PM rmu: last info is: available in february, price: unknown, but likely about 70000€
03:01 PM gloops: wifes mate bought a renault capture 18 months ago - gearbox went 2 weeks ago
03:02 PM gloops: a new renault capture
03:02 PM rmu: manual gearing?
03:02 PM gloops: yeah, im sure she said it has 6 gears
03:02 PM rmu: you can ruin those in a day if you want
03:03 PM gloops: well she knows how to drive, most cars here are manual
03:04 PM Loetmichel: gloops: a friend of mine that happened to be a car dealer once said: "dont ever buy cars with "F": Ford, Fiat, French ones!"
03:04 PM rmu: some cars have "robot"-shifted gearbox, that's not a traditional automatic transmission
03:04 PM Loetmichel: and he is right ;)
03:04 PM rmu: hehe
03:04 PM rmu: i know sayings like "mitm ford fahrst fort, mitm zug kummst zruck"
03:04 PM gloops: Loetmichel probably right, i did like the old fords though, easy to look after
03:05 PM Nick001-Shop: <pcw_mesa> OK maybe someone will answer that question. thaks for your time.
03:05 PM gloops: minor problems arent so bad if they are easy to fix, not when you have to strip half the car away to get to something stupid
03:06 PM rmu: gearbox after 18 months should be covered by warranty
03:06 PM gloops: it was covered yeah
03:06 PM rmu: i had the timing belt go on a citroen
03:07 PM gloops: no guarantees even with a new timing belt
03:07 PM rmu: all inspections / servicings had been done
03:07 PM gloops: although the car should be covered if new
03:07 PM rmu: no it was not new, it had about 140000 km
03:08 PM gloops: oh well lol
03:08 PM gloops: 70000 miles or 5 years
03:08 PM rmu: change according to citroen at 160000
03:08 PM rmu: they fixed it. would have cost over 7000
03:09 PM gloops: iwife had one go on an espace - well, fan belt snapped wrapped round the pulley and brought the timing belt off
03:09 PM gloops: wasnt paying the bill for that
03:12 PM gloops: general thing to do here if you buy a decent used car - new timing belt first job
03:12 PM rmu: the timing belt thing was a design error. condensing water could drip on the belt while the car was parked and would cause corrosion
03:13 PM gloops: i think theyre designed to finish the engine off, some of these corps make more from parts sales than selling cars
03:13 PM rmu: and the 7k€ are ridiculous anyway, thats only that high because the shop would charge 150€ per hour or something like that
03:14 PM gloops: timing belts go brittle in time, regardless of mileage, they can 'set' in a position if the car is stood for a long time
03:14 PM gloops: they dont like cold
03:14 PM rmu: yeah. and the change interval of 160000km proved to be very optimistic.
03:15 PM sync: not really
03:15 PM gloops: can check if the engine is a 'safe' engine
03:15 PM gloops: some 8 valves you can get away with a snapped blet, the valves are vertical
03:15 PM rmu: sync what do you mean. "not really" is kind of standard-answer that can be applied to anything.
03:16 PM sync: 160Mm is not very optimistic, the error rate is in the PPM range
03:16 PM sync: and it keeps the timing belt out of the service requirements for leased cars
03:16 PM rmu: may be, they should have fixed the thing dripping on the timing belt sooner
03:16 PM gloops: piston pushes the valve straight back up, doesnt bend it, soft cam followers bend - easy and cheap to replace
03:16 PM rmu: i was one of those PPM ;)
03:16 PM gloops: if the valve enters at an angle, piston comes up - bent
03:18 PM sync: only that there are not a lot of engines that have followers anymore
03:18 PM sync: as you don't really need them
03:18 PM gloops: well some are still designed with clearance - they usually have a rating
03:19 PM rmu: 100000km would also be sufficient mileage for leased cars
03:19 PM sync: free running engines are also mostly a thing of the past because you want the chamber to be as small as possible with the biggest valve lift
03:19 PM sync: no, not really
03:19 PM sync: most commercial leases are around 160/180Mm
03:20 PM gloops: https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/chain-cam/
03:22 PM sync: yes, but what's the point?
03:22 PM gloops: of buying cam chain instead of belt?
03:22 PM sync: you will need to change the chain as well
03:23 PM gloops: nah, never known one go
03:23 PM sync: it is very common
03:23 PM rmu: even a chain wears out
03:23 PM gloops: well..not on recent cars lol
03:23 PM sync: my bmw needs a new chain
03:23 PM rmu: my bike needs a new one every 5000km or so
03:23 PM gloops: bikes are slightly different
03:24 PM sync: not really, they just run them harder like modern car engines
03:24 PM rmu: but only *slightly*
03:24 PM sync: and they are smaller for obvious reasons
03:24 PM gloops: the drive chain is doing a different job, if its the cam chain youre talking about id be surprised
03:24 PM sync: well, most motorcycles have cam chains, one of my bikes also needs a new one...
03:25 PM fragalot: gregcnc: that drill is indeed bigger than my shed, which is why it's in someone elses' nearby :)
03:25 PM sync: or a new guide, but when I'm in there I'll change everything at once
03:25 PM rmu: that bike https://archive.trekbikes.com/gb/en/2008/trek/topfuel8
03:25 PM sync: the fun starts when they put the chain at the gearbox end in cars
03:25 PM gloops: even on the old bikes, considering bike engines are usually more highly tuned, the cam chains did a lot of miles, and then many more miles rattling
03:26 PM gloops: honda cx 500 was notorius for the cam chain death rattle
03:26 PM fragalot: gloops: the main advantage of a radial drill press is that you can position the spindle after clamping the part down, making it awesome when you're working on heavy stuff
03:27 PM gloops: oh i was using a radial arm drill 30 years ago fragalot
03:28 PM fragalot: just figured i'd mention it because you seemed to say something about z height & stuff
03:28 PM gloops: i was talking about sticking one of those blue 15w lasers on my router - i think they could be useful for shading lettering in etc
03:29 PM fragalot: you just need to get it at the right focal length in Z, that's all
03:29 PM fragalot: and do NOT cheap out on laser glasses!
03:29 PM gloops: i assumed so, so lets say its optimum height is 50mm, all i need to do is 0 on the job then move up 50mm
03:30 PM fragalot: or use a 50mm spacer
03:30 PM gloops: yes or that
03:30 PM fragalot: that's the more common method for spindle mount laser add-ons
03:30 PM fragalot: where the laser can slide up & down
03:31 PM gloops: the rig it up as a coolant pump in linuxcnc
03:31 PM fragalot: put spacer on, drop laser in place, snug up, done
03:31 PM fragalot: you'd want analog control if at all possible
03:32 PM gloops: for the power, i was thinking the on/off laser
03:32 PM fragalot: spindle enable? :P
03:32 PM gloops: hmm maybe, ill have to check the cam for that see what gcode it uses for on/off
03:32 PM gloops: spindle control would be easier for me
03:52 PM XXCoder1: Jymmm: yeah kinda jelious lol but no room here even if build shop, land just arent large enough lol
04:14 PM Jymmm: XXCoder1: WEll, you could live in the mazzaine of the new shop once you tear down the house =)
04:15 PM XXCoder1: lol
04:35 PM gloops: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-dies-after-being-electrocuted-13877248
04:35 PM gloops: wow, changing a light bulb
04:39 PM XXCoder1: random shit can happen. sad though
04:45 PM Deejay: gn8
04:47 PM MarcelineVQ: holy balogna, 3 dialogues to say no to just to look at the article :X
04:50 PM gloops: looks like he may have had underlying health problems anyway
05:02 PM sparq: Whenever I feel like cursing my kettle for taking so long to boil, I remind myself of all the times I didn't die because 110VAC is a lot less murder-y.
05:05 PM gloops: a slow kettle is never good for the general smooth running of operations though
05:13 PM MarcelineVQ: but kettle speed is a function of watts <_<
05:14 PM SpeedEvil: MarcelineVQ: UK sockets can put out >2* US domestic
05:15 PM MarcelineVQ: they sprung for the big copper and the big voltage? nice
05:15 PM SpeedEvil: Also, volumematters.
05:15 PM SpeedEvil: If you get a kettle that can safely boil half a cup, it works much faster
05:17 PM sparq: Oh, sure. I'd just rather put up with the disadvantages of needing fatter wires to deliver the same power than to have done any of the stupid things I've done with mains power with 220. I would have been dead at the age of 3.
05:18 PM syyl: imagine having 3phase 400v in every house.
05:18 PM syyl: (almost every)
05:21 PM sparq: My great grandfather had 3phase 440 in his shed for his mill, lathe and high output lamps (you used to need really, really bright lights for photography). My mum and I had to map the whole property with an inductive tester before we could demolish and clean it up.
05:22 PM syyl: would drive me nuts not to have 3phase
05:22 PM syyl: ;)
05:22 PM sparq: Also, the shed had about 300 pounds of bees in it.
05:22 PM syyl: urgs :D
05:24 PM sparq: Also, he didn't want to pay for proper wiring, so he just braided lamp wire together and nailed it to the walls.
05:24 PM syyl: yeah, dont do that
05:24 PM syyl: :D
05:24 PM sparq: Noooooope
05:27 PM Rab: Considering he might have grown up with knob and tube wiring, that was probably going the extra mile.
05:45 PM Loetmichel: Rab: knob and tube wiring?
05:45 PM sparq: Heh. He grew up on the res in the 1910s, so no electricity at all.
05:46 PM Loetmichel: you mean blank copper wire wound around porcellain insulators?
05:46 PM Loetmichel: and than drawn along the wall?
05:46 PM sparq: yup.
05:47 PM Rab: Loetmichel, affirmative.
05:48 PM pcw_mesa: single wires threaded through the studs/joists, with ceramic tubes in the studs
05:48 PM Loetmichel: syyl: why not? i had 3 phase copper wire drawn across the wall above my old electronics desk Was very practical if you needed power: just use a few croco clips :-)
05:49 PM Loetmichel: and you only touch them once... the 4 yellow lines on the palm that result in that teach you very quickly that that isnt a good idea
05:50 PM Loetmichel: ... not to mention the "slight tingling" ;)
06:09 PM XXCoder1: ohhhh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnbY0eHZ0CY
06:09 PM XXCoder1: looks awesome
06:09 PM XXCoder1: damn video is unwatchable
07:17 PM sync: it's actually not too bad
07:18 PM XXCoder1: its extremely bad for me
07:18 PM XXCoder1: way too much handheld camera
07:18 PM XXCoder1: but vise is awesome idea
07:20 PM sync: I can't understand why people get seasick from moving cameras
07:20 PM sync: it is no different than real life
07:20 PM XXCoder1: dont ask me why. ask my brain
07:35 PM roycroft: because the person is not moving with the camera
07:35 PM roycroft: which is the same phenomenon one experiences at sea
07:35 PM roycroft: and for some, riding in a car
07:44 PM XXCoder1: glad im not that sensive to car rides
07:44 PM XXCoder1: would be hell of a fun drives if that was case lol
09:00 PM norias: hi
09:13 PM SpeedEvil is now known as Guest38176
09:30 PM flyback: hi
09:32 PM XXCoder1: hi
09:57 PM XXCoder1: new primative tech!
09:57 PM XXCoder1: btw if you dont know, turn on captioning.
10:02 PM Tom_itx: mmm gettin some weather now...
10:02 PM XXCoder1: very heavy flood rain here lol
10:02 PM XXCoder1: got soaked just getting retromini from car
10:04 PM Tom_itx: rain turned to snow
10:04 PM XXCoder1: aww
10:05 PM Tom_itx: slush
10:33 PM XXCoder1: yo yo yo yo
10:56 PM * `Wolf_ really need to set up znc
11:04 PM Tom_itx: how's that work?
11:06 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
11:06 PM `Wolf_: set up a znc irc server on a linux machine or synology diskstation and it works as a bouncer
11:06 PM Tom_L: a glorified logger?
11:06 PM `Wolf_: so I can log in from 4 diffrent machines and only show up as one nick
11:07 PM Tom_L: why not ssh into the one server?
11:08 PM `Wolf_: idk lol
11:09 PM Tom_L: i'm not familiar with it
11:10 PM `Wolf_: i’m not a software guy so I dont know much about it or ssh in to things