#linuxcnc Logs
Jan 11 2019
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:18 AM Wolf_ITX: I dont get how this lcnc stuff works sometimes... trying to set up xhc-hb04 and getting a error that pin 'motion.probe-input' is already linked
12:54 AM veek: cool - guy made a parabolic mirror out of metalized mylar film by inflating it against a form
02:19 AM Deejay: moin
02:46 AM miss0r: mornin
04:14 AM Wolf_ITX: I think this pendant thing is going to drive me insane =/
04:49 AM jthornton: morning
04:50 AM Wolf_ITX: grr wtf
04:50 AM Wolf_ITX: morning jt
04:52 AM jthornton: your up early hows it going
04:52 AM Wolf_ITX: fighting with lcnc trying to get the xhc=hb04 to work
04:53 AM jthornton: still having an issue with the pin motion.probe-input?
04:53 AM Wolf_ITX: which works fine with the sim, then copy everything over like the readme says and no cord display
04:54 AM Wolf_ITX: commented it out, not sure where the hell it put that either
04:59 AM jthornton: I have no clue what "that" is lol
05:00 AM Wolf_ITX: the motion.probe-input
05:01 AM jthornton: paste.ubuntu.com the offending code
05:02 AM * jthornton tries to wake up before the chickens do
05:03 AM Wolf_ITX: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sRYkVmGQdZ/
05:04 AM Wolf_ITX: I commented out the xhc hb04 probe button to get things to work
05:04 AM Wolf_ITX: still have no clue why the xyz cords wont display either
05:04 AM jthornton: # probe-z = motion.probe-input is the only instance of motion.probe-input I see
05:04 AM Wolf_ITX: yup
05:05 AM jthornton: <Wolf_ITX> I dont get how this lcnc stuff works sometimes... trying to set up xhc-hb04 and getting a error that pin 'motion.probe-input' is already linked
05:05 AM Wolf_ITX: yeah, if I uncomment it, thats the error I get
05:05 AM jthornton: open a terminal in your configuration directory then grep for it like this
05:06 AM jthornton: grep -irl 'motion.probe-input' *
05:06 AM jthornton: what is the exact error
05:07 AM Wolf_ITX: io.hal plasma.ini
05:07 AM Wolf_ITX: net probe-input motion.probe-input <= hm2_7i96.0.gpio.005.in
05:08 AM jthornton: net probe-z probe-input
05:08 AM jthornton: you can connect more than one input to a signal but not to a pin
05:08 AM Wolf_ITX: ahh
05:11 AM Wolf_ITX: I'll probably want the probe-z to cycle a touch off at some point anyways
05:12 AM Wolf_ITX: now if I could figure out why the display doesnt work on the hb04 and set up gantry homing and thc I'll be set lol
05:18 AM jthornton: I'm working on the homing problem and now you can help the next guy with the hb04 :)
05:19 AM Wolf_ITX: only answer I have seen is adding someone elses hal and config to make it work https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/32421-xhc-hb04-basic-setup-in-2-8
05:23 AM Wolf_ITX: and its not mentioned in the sim axis xhc-hb04 anywhere, heck, cant even find 'xhc-hb04.x.pos-relative' anywhere in that configs folder
05:32 AM XXCoder: wow im alive...
05:32 AM XXCoder: for maybe for few minutes lol
05:33 AM * jthornton doesn't even know what a hb04 is lol
05:34 AM Wolf_ITX: usb wireless pendant with mpg and lcd dro
05:39 AM jthornton: ah
05:43 AM Wolf_ITX: I dont get how the thing works in sim yet when I follow the readme everything but the dro works
06:22 AM jthornton: https://www.amazon.com/SHINA-Wireless-Pendant-Handwheel-Mac-Mach/dp/B00D844WR2/ref=pd_cp_60_3?pd_rd_w=wEmMI&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=19FR4W7CCQA65S6YQCYM&pd_rd_r=e74e5c7b-159a-11e9-a181-ad3239af0918&pd_rd_wg=s8FDg&pd_rd_i=B00D844WR2&psc=1
06:22 AM jthornton: is that the same one you have?
06:26 AM jthornton: all right found an error with min limit and home input :)
06:57 AM Nick001-Shop: will that pendant work on linuxcnc?
07:17 AM jthornton: I assume it's the one that is for the hb04 stuff so yea
07:17 AM jthornton: someone needs to send me one for testing lol
07:24 AM emsjessec: i'm trying to test a machine shop price quote calculator. does anyone have suggestions or sample files?
08:02 AM elmo40: sample file of what, NC code?
08:11 AM The_Ball: pcw_mesa, I'm not at the machine ATM, but this should work for lowpassing the probe I think: https://pastebin.com/VENegiWA
08:19 AM flyback: SAMPLE THIS!
08:19 AM * flyback bites emsjessec
08:49 AM stjohn4444: hi, has anyone setup a central lubrication system before?
08:49 AM jthornton: well this sucks I have libpci3 but it's version 3.3 and mesaflash requires 3.5???
08:49 AM stjohn4444: I am not sure which single line distributor to buy..
08:50 AM jthornton: I've setup one to lube the crown on an offshore derrick so I didn't have to climb to the top each day and grease it...
08:50 AM stjohn4444: lol..
08:50 AM stjohn4444: I think mine might be a little smaller..
08:51 AM stjohn4444: this is what I need I think: https://www.central-lubrication.com/skf-piston-distributor-345.html?MODsid=32e6cd35358581a335e0406fa9363c6f
08:54 AM JT-Shop: looks right to me
08:57 AM stjohn4444: thanks! I am thinking so..
08:58 AM JT-Shop: you need a pump too
09:02 AM stjohn4444: yes, got that already...
09:02 AM stjohn4444: a good friend kindly donated....
09:37 AM emsjessec: elmo40, stp, solidpart, etc.
09:39 AM pcw_home: jthornton: Possibly because the mesaflash binary was built on a system with libpci V3.5?
09:49 AM jthornton: yep, just figured that out... I'll have to change my strategy
09:49 AM jthornton: is there a way to sudo apt-get install mesaflash 3.3 or will you always get master?
09:58 AM pcw_home: Not sure whats in the repository
09:59 AM pcw_home: I wonder if you could build a static linked mesaflash, libpci is probably pretty small
10:03 AM sync: pcw_home: there is no reason why you could not
10:05 AM jthornton: I'll see if I can figure out how to build a static linked mesaflash, thanks for the tip
10:40 AM jthornton: damn the T8 LED Light Tube 4FT, 22W (75W equivalent) 2300Lm 6500K Cool White, Dual-End Powered, Frosted Cover is out of stock... closest I can find id 2000L 6000k :(
10:54 AM jthornton: hmmm I'm getting a segmentation fault on linux mint 18 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vBbHbNfRjQ/
10:54 AM jthornton: same place every time
10:56 AM Jymmm: Ii know your fond of mint jthornton, But I'm REALLY liking https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
10:57 AM Jymmm: Just installed it yesterday, but working out very well on a laptop so far.
11:08 AM pcw_home: I think thats a Mesaflash-master bug
11:11 AM jthornton: ok, I must not have gotten 3.3
11:12 AM pcw_home: yeah mesaflash master doesn't deal very gracefully with unknown pin types
11:13 AM jthornton: why is master not the latest version?
11:13 AM jthornton: git checkout v3.3 then make now it works
11:14 AM sync: it also doesn't really handle random input very well :D
11:14 AM pcw_home: and no version command
11:18 AM jthornton: hmm I compiled it on this pc with libpci 3.3.1 and it runs fine on debian 9 with libpci 3.5.somethihng
11:18 AM jthornton: so that may be the answer to my problem
11:22 AM jthornton: yea mesaflash is working again with the 7i96 configuration tool
11:38 AM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Industrial-650nm-cross-hair-laser-pointer-3-5VDC-can-set-focus-Line-Module-cnc/302290510374? < what are these good for?
11:39 AM fragalot: approximate alignment of parts
11:40 AM gloops: could you describe such a situation fragalot?
11:41 AM sync: put it on the spindle of a router
11:41 AM sync: so you can roughly align your board
11:41 AM fragalot: gloops: put it on the spindle of a router, or on a drill press
11:41 AM gloops: ive seen people edge finding with cross hairs and a camera, the one i posted looks a bit coarse for that
11:44 AM fragalot: laser lines are always coarse
11:45 AM gloops: maybe the cross hairs were in the scope
11:45 AM fragalot: all visible lasers are very coarse compared to most alternatives
11:48 AM gloops: yes i cant see it being a good method
11:49 AM gloops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1h3mpoVXpE that must be a 2mm thick line hes trying to move on the edge
11:50 AM SpeedEvil: In some cases you can reasonably split the line
11:50 AM SpeedEvil: - it's great on pencil lines, for example
11:50 AM gloops: still, for some wood jobs...
11:51 AM gloops: ill get one, might look good on youtube vids
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: It can be good enough.
11:51 AM gloops: there are a lot of cutout jobs where half a mm doesnt matter
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: Add a couple, for example intersecting, and you can get a very good idea of depth
11:51 AM SpeedEvil: at a preset limit
11:52 AM gloops: depth?
11:53 AM SpeedEvil: \/
11:53 AM Rab: gloops, this thing is alleged to obtain accuracy beyond just the beam width: https://www.centerquic.com/
11:53 AM Rab: I've seen a couple of DIY implementations. It's a really simple idea.
11:54 AM fragalot: that's actually quite neat
11:54 AM Rab: Doesn't use crosshairs though.
11:55 AM gloops: could be useful Rab
11:59 AM jthornton: Wolf_ITX: I've fixed everything I know about on the 7i69 configuration tool and added more help info if you want to download it again and give it a spin
12:10 PM rmu: 4 meters of snow. insane.
12:20 PM SpeedEvil: Flamethrower is the only sensible option.
12:21 PM fragalot: gloops: in the olden days, the snow on the roof actually acted as insulation
12:21 PM fragalot: so you wanted to keep a certain thickness on there
12:21 PM rmu: today austrian "air force" used helicopters to blow snow from trees next to powerlines and roads
12:21 PM gregcnc: snow doesn't insulate any more?
12:21 PM SpeedEvil: gregcnc: not if you have a thick layer of foam insulation
12:21 PM SpeedEvil: (meaningfully)
12:21 PM gregcnc: sure it's just snow then
12:21 PM rmu: snow is an insulator, but also a giant heatsink at 0°C
12:21 PM fragalot: gregcnc: it does, but the difference with a modern insulated roof is negligible.. so you may as well try & shed it to make the roof construction lighter
12:23 PM gregcnc: seems like the only way to keep snow on the roof is to not let it melt?
12:23 PM roycroft: snow doesn't necessarily just slide off a slate roof, even with a good pitch
12:23 PM SpeedEvil: Depends what the pitch is
12:23 PM SpeedEvil: If it's ridiculously steep, it may.
12:23 PM rmu: us have to use a rope and cut through the snow, then it will slide
12:23 PM roycroft: if the temperature is below freezing and the snow is really wet it can start freezing as it hits the roof
12:23 PM SpeedEvil: roycroft: that works well
12:23 PM SpeedEvil: rmu:
12:23 PM fragalot: gregcnc: older homes here often had hook son the roof
12:24 PM roycroft: we don't build our roofs too sturdily here, since it snows so rarely
12:24 PM roycroft: when it snows more than 10m or so i actively remove it from the roof
12:24 PM roycroft: 10cm, rather
12:24 PM roycroft: if it snowed 10m i would not bother trying to remove it
12:34 PM PL7icnc: the VAR file ends on 5390
12:35 PM rmu: tool table tool.tbl
12:38 PM JT-Shop: PL7icnc: 5400 is volatile http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#sub:numbered-parameters
12:45 PM JT-Shop: aye
12:46 PM PL7icnc: The Slang here is For Foreners not Quite Understandable
12:46 PM PL7icnc: AYE ?
12:58 PM CaptHindsight: using a laser to find the edge with +- 2mm accuracy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1h3mpoVXpE
01:07 PM PL7icnc: im getting BAD Number Format in 2.7.14 on (Msg, #5410)
01:07 PM PL7icnc: msg
01:08 PM jthornton: aye1/ī/exclamation exclamation: aye; exclamation: ay 1. archaic•dialect said to express assent; yes. "aye, you're right about that" Nautical a response acknowledging an order. exclamation: aye aye "aye aye, captain" (in voting) I assent. "all in favor say, “aye.”"noun noun: aye; plural noun: ayes; noun: ay; plural noun: ays 1. an affirmative answer or assent
01:08 PM jthornton: what is the cause of the bad number format?
01:10 PM PL7icnc: o<testp> sub
01:10 PM PL7icnc: o155 if [#5410 LE 0]
01:10 PM PL7icnc: (msg,Kein Werkzeug)
01:10 PM PL7icnc: o155 endif
01:10 PM PL7icnc: o156 if [#5410 GE 0]
01:10 PM PL7icnc: (msg,Werkzeugdiameter: #5410)
01:10 PM PL7icnc: o156 endif
01:10 PM PL7icnc: o<testp> endsub
01:10 PM PL7icnc: m2
01:11 PM PL7icnc: Does not show the Tool diameter printed in the Lower Status line
01:11 PM jthornton: use paste.ubuntu.com to paste code so it does not flood the channel
01:11 PM PL7icnc: BAD Number is solved there have been a wrong letter
01:12 PM jthornton: the msg causes the error?
01:12 PM PL7icnc: No error anymore
01:12 PM PL7icnc: But also No output
01:13 PM PL7icnc: s it the Simulation Mahine
01:13 PM jthornton: you must use debug to get an output http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/overview.html#gcode:debug
01:14 PM enleth: any interesting advice for a short bar stock storage rack?
01:15 PM PL7icnc: jthornton, That Did the trick
01:15 PM enleth: right now I'm using two or three beer crates, stacked and joined permanently, with the bottom removed on the upper ones
01:16 PM PL7icnc: enleth, beer cans not good in shop
01:17 PM enleth: no one drinks beer here, only club mate
01:17 PM enleth: but empty crates have some uses
01:19 PM PL7icnc: i got it thanks will answer in Forum
01:21 PM enleth: http://www.steves-workshop.co.uk/workshop/workshoptour/materials1.jpg oh, that looks like a pretty decent idea
01:21 PM enleth: wastes a tiny bit of space, but it's extremely fast to set up
01:24 PM gloops: so ..Ichs didnt die lol
01:25 PM jthornton: enleth: I use shipping tubes to store small stock but yea square holes would not loose space as much but none are full so it's a moot point
01:26 PM enleth: square holes could make it less convenient to extract thin or short stuff too
01:26 PM gloops: drainpipe? the 40mm waste pipes are cheap, as is fall pipe
01:26 PM enleth: if it gets wedged in the corner
01:26 PM gloops: also - plenty in builders skips
01:26 PM enleth: gloops: yep, and I do have some
01:27 PM enleth: and it's 75mm, even better, I can get my hand inside to pull out stuff that's too short
01:28 PM enleth: wait, not, 75mm is still too narrow
01:28 PM enleth: but 100mm is fine
01:28 PM Nick001-Shop: Does Mint 18.1 64 bit work OK with linuxcnc
01:42 PM CaptHindsight: enleth: what style is interesting to you for the rack? shabby chic, tiki, colonial, etc
01:44 PM Jymmm: GhettoFaboulous
01:47 PM Nick001-Shop: Does Mint 18.1 64 bit work OK with linuxcnc
01:47 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: pre or post apocalyptic?
01:47 PM Nick001-Shop: wonder how long till this crashes again
01:48 PM CaptHindsight: Nick001-Shop: what is your actual problem with LCNC?
01:48 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight D) All The Above
01:49 PM Nick001-Shop: going to 2.8 and mint 64 bit and will it run?
01:49 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: But... I NOW understand why jthornton created that WAY over engineered gantry... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KesXMsLRTSs
01:50 PM CaptHindsight: Bunker TV
01:51 PM fragalot: "I thought YOU were going to put in the ventilation?"
01:51 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: It's impressive to watch how far these guys went.
01:52 PM CaptHindsight: Yo, where we teach YOU how to ready for next uhpokalipps
01:52 PM Jymmm: ...and their enginnering isn't half bad
01:52 PM Jymmm: some of it at least, still watching the video
01:53 PM Jymmm: fragalot: flood pump was my thought =)
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: is nick building LCNC and the RT kernel or ???
01:55 PM CaptHindsight: pinged out
01:56 PM CaptHindsight: good use for any old tree trunks you have laying around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubldqqM1tPw
01:57 PM rmu: looks like a mine shaft
01:57 PM jthornton: Jymmm: no videos for me except during free time
01:58 PM CaptHindsight: Mein Shaft, the story continues
01:58 PM Jymmm: jthornton: It's 45m too
01:58 PM fragalot: lol
01:59 PM jthornton: way too long for me to watch
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: hey Jymmm what are there hunker down nuts worried about?
01:59 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: keeping the beer cool
01:59 PM CaptHindsight: there/these
02:00 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: You mean why they do it?
02:00 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: or why a bunker?
02:00 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: yes, what is the fear of?
02:00 PM fragalot: I liked colin furze's one
02:01 PM fragalot: "I'mma build a bunker in my backyard, and this TV crew is going to pay for it"
02:01 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: zombies (the human kind) I suppose
02:01 PM CaptHindsight: like Jesus?
02:01 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: he said human. not lizard
02:02 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Like those that would panic and take/kill others for their own survival instead of working together
02:02 PM CaptHindsight: cat video therapy didn't work?
02:02 PM fragalot: oh. you mean the mole people
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: i saw that movie
02:03 PM Jymmm: human zombie = walking around with no clue after a disaster, feeding/leeching off of others, etc
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuvAKxlfN3U
02:03 PM fragalot: I'm kinda jealous of the quality of their concrete work compared to the "professionally done" slab i've got under my shed
02:03 PM CaptHindsight: The Mole People | Trailer | 1956
02:04 PM Jymmm: fragalot: wait till you see their "door" work
02:04 PM fragalot: Jymmm: already way past that
02:04 PM gloops: the log slice with leds isnt a bad idea, if you wanted to sell them though the leds would have to be in a heart shape
02:05 PM fragalot: or a green up arrow if you're going for a niche market
02:05 PM CaptHindsight: freash outta tree trunks here
02:07 PM Jymmm: I'm just curious of if it/one could survive in underground bunker during a 2+ week long forest fire
02:08 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/90a3i4-Pw9A?t=756 Chest from Old Hollowed out Log
02:09 PM fragalot: Jymmm: assuming you got the air conditioning right, and it's deep enough, sure
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: I have survived every forest fire this this season
02:09 PM CaptHindsight: -this
02:10 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: but were you in an underground bunker?
02:10 PM CaptHindsight: no, i stayed 2k miles away
02:11 PM CaptHindsight: i didn't bury my head in the ground
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: hey there's a fire coming this way, what do we do?
02:12 PM rmu: reminds me of the guy that kept his daughter locked up in a basement prison and fathered 3 or 4 children with her
02:12 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: release the hounds
02:12 PM CaptHindsight: one got away from her captor yesterday
02:13 PM Rab: Party in the shipping container! The popcorn makes itself!
02:13 PM JT-Shop: Nick001-Shop: yea linux mint 18 works with linuxcnc
02:14 PM CaptHindsight: A) Go underground. B) Move away from the fire.
02:15 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: underground only works as long as you have a supply of oxygen available
02:15 PM CaptHindsight: C) Ask yourself why you chose to live where there is fire
02:15 PM Jymmm: and a way to get rid of CO
02:15 PM gloops: i dont like bunkers, a bunker will become your tomb
02:16 PM gloops: id survive like the fox
02:16 PM CaptHindsight: D) Build a fence
02:17 PM gloops: what does a post apocalypse starving psychopathic gang look for - bunkers to loot
02:18 PM gloops: and bunker occupants to rape/eat
02:18 PM CaptHindsight: what is more likely? A) Get infected by a pathogen. B) Burned to death by forest fire. C) Central and Mexicans steal your women and jobs
02:18 PM gloops: they all seem to go together lol
02:19 PM SpeedEvil: With all this hype, people are forgetting the real threat.
02:19 PM SpeedEvil: Has nobody today seen the movie Caddyshack?
02:19 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: You know that I right there, right?
02:19 PM enleth: gloops: burning infected unemployed mexicans?
02:19 PM CaptHindsight: we need a fence around deadly pathogens
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: you live in fire central?
02:20 PM SpeedEvil: CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAjkjGq8Ug&t=1824s
02:20 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Google Campfire
02:20 PM SpeedEvil: (BSL 4 - highly infectious pathogen laboratory)
02:20 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: what the fuck are you living there for?
02:21 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: why are you in hurricane area?
02:21 PM Jymmm: or earthquake, or tornado, etc
02:21 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: I'm not
02:22 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: where are you?
02:22 PM CaptHindsight: why i avoid Oklahoma, it's not just about the dancing
02:22 PM enleth: move to Norway, it's one of the most tectonically stable habitable areas in the world, with zero weird weather
02:23 PM Jymmm: enleth: is it ever above zero ?
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: we get the rare tornado in Chicago, ignorance is the major threat here
02:23 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: and feet of snow?
02:23 PM CaptHindsight: enleth: are they taking uhmericans?
02:24 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: haven't a good dump of snow for a few years
02:24 PM Jymmm: sh
02:25 PM rmu: come and get some snow
02:25 PM rmu: people even try selling it
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: the local ski and sled hills are closed
02:25 PM CaptHindsight: it's been too warm this winter
02:26 PM enleth: Jymmm: I was on a trip across Norway once in April, it was just fine for a t-shirt during the day, even most of the way up north
02:26 PM rmu: here they are closed because of avalanche danger
02:26 PM CaptHindsight: http://skialpinevalley.com/includes/livesnowcam.html
02:27 PM CaptHindsight: all artificial
02:27 PM rmu: another 50-100cm is forecast this weekend
02:29 PM enleth: cradek: I guess, if you don't insist on bringing any high-yield freedom delivery equipment along
02:29 PM enleth: blah
02:29 PM CaptHindsight: gregcnc: https://www.weatherbug.com/weather-camera/?cam=CRYTH
02:29 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: ^
02:30 PM rmu: https://youtu.be/k53Es0r_kV4?t=37
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: enleth: I might have to practice my drinking from what I've heard of the rumors
02:31 PM CaptHindsight: or is that the Fins?
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: so who would win the drinking contest, the Sweds, Fins or the Norwegians?
02:33 PM CaptHindsight: they always point the finger at the other
02:34 PM rmu: the Fins
02:34 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.icenews.is/2009/05/18/nordic-alcohol-finland-drinks-most-iceland-least/
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.heartmybackpack.com/finland/worst-scandinavian-country/
02:35 PM CaptHindsight: (seemingly reliable sources)
02:36 PM fragalot: lol
02:36 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: even the Russians are scared of the Finns, one of the reasons being their drinking habits
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.heartmybackpack.com/finland/worst-scandinavian-country/
02:36 PM CaptHindsight: https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150225-scandinavia-finland-norway-sweden-denmark-culture-ngbooktalk/
02:37 PM Jymmm: enleth: But it's norway, and cabin fever in the winter is a real thing
02:37 PM rmu: hehe
02:38 PM CaptHindsight: http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/15032-finland-is-great-for-expat-families-but-difficult-to-settle-in-finds-survey.html
02:39 PM CaptHindsight: will I be kidnapped and sold as a sex slave?
02:39 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: only in your wet dreams
02:40 PM fragalot: brokeback mountain style
02:40 PM fragalot: squeal piggy.
02:40 PM gloops: those cabins in Finnish woods arent all just saunas you know
02:40 PM gloops: you can tell my the iron rings in the ceiling rafters
02:41 PM CaptHindsight: What Do Finnish People Think about Dating Foreigners? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxU9hb8jjqs
02:42 PM CaptHindsight: is that a real language?
02:44 PM gloops: hmm, sounds asian
02:44 PM enleth: quoting Linus Torvalds, "There aren't enough swear-words in the English language, so now I'll have to call you perkeleen vittupää just to express my disgust and frustration with this crap."
02:44 PM CaptHindsight: ah the truth What do Finnish People Think about Finnish People? [STREET INTERVIEW] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqP31uV-qOU
02:46 PM enleth: the closest English translation is "cursed, evil, irredeemable, disgusting shit of a motherfucker"
02:47 PM gloops: something we often think but dont often state
02:47 PM enleth: they often mix in Russian profanities, too
02:48 PM fragalot: FFS youtube stop changing my language to dutch & auto-translating titles
02:48 PM CaptHindsight: hah
02:49 PM enleth: the thing with "perkeleen vittupää" is that when someone says it, they mean it, and they're definitely not being affectionate
02:50 PM CaptHindsight: cathartic relief
02:50 PM enleth: something like the Quebecois saying aything wih "tabarnak" in it
02:52 PM enleth: the closest equivalent being "esti d'épais de marde", I think
02:53 PM enleth: English doesn't have anything with these connotations either
02:55 PM CaptHindsight: LIVING IN NORWAY | PROS & CONS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy5c-BZUjHQ
02:56 PM CaptHindsight: what is more common in Scandinavia countries, kidnapped for sex slave or organ harvesting?
02:57 PM CaptHindsight: Scandinavia/Scandinavian
03:01 PM gloops: food for thought https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-11/scenarios-collapse-world-utterly-unprepared
03:02 PM CaptHindsight: enleth: is cursing a requirement to live in Finland?
03:02 PM gloops: "Something Biblical Is Approaching"
03:03 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: if it's anything like in slavic cultures, and as far as I know, it is because of their proximity to Russia - yes, it is
03:03 PM CaptHindsight: well you can never trust the Russians
03:03 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: what's more, even if it's not necessary, it should be *sufficient*
03:04 PM CaptHindsight: lol
03:04 PM enleth: as in, you can communicate relatively effectively and with very little ambiguity using swear words only in Russian or Polish, so I imagine it should be doable in Finnish with some Russian loanwords
03:05 PM enleth: what's more, it is possible using different forms of just a single word if you only need to convey basic concepts
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: https://youtu.be/nWRxPDhd3d0?t=36 sounds like this
03:06 PM CaptHindsight: Planes, Trains & Automobiles - Steve Martin
03:06 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: nah, that's *nothing*
03:07 PM enleth: he's using way too many non-swear words
03:07 PM enleth: English is utterly unsuitable for this
03:11 PM enleth: CaptHindsight: I meant it absolutely literally when I said you can communicate with profanities *only*
03:13 PM enleth: English is too weakly inflected to be usable in this manner
03:13 PM fragalot: that's why brits get creative
03:14 PM CaptHindsight: not really a big deal
03:14 PM fragalot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyFwViOiAqY
03:15 PM gloops: the language of Shakespeare...
03:16 PM CaptHindsight: is this still funny after you leave jr high?
03:16 PM fragalot: CaptHindsight: no.
03:33 PM CaptHindsight: anyone ever been turned down for a job/project for knowing too much/too skilled etc?
03:34 PM Jymmm: being overqualified, yeah
03:35 PM CaptHindsight: did you start acting dumb to better your chances?
03:35 PM Jymmm: it was more a hindsight thing, they felt I would be bored and leave
03:41 PM CaptHindsight: Jymmm: would you have left for that reason?
03:42 PM gloops: https://news.sky.com/story/far-side-of-the-moon-chinas-lunar-probes-take-pictures-of-each-other-11604801
03:42 PM gloops: well, they did it, with no dodgy shadows
03:43 PM Jymmm: CaptHindsight: Not really
03:46 PM CaptHindsight: https://news.sky.com/story/poland-arrests-huawei-and-orange-employees-in-spying-case-11604378
04:03 PM Deejay: gn8
04:05 PM zq is now known as zq_
04:06 PM zq_ is now known as zq__
06:08 PM Wolf_ITX: JT-Shop, taking a look at the updated configuration tool now
06:09 PM jthornton: cool, been working on it more this evening but time to start cooking dinner
06:12 PM Wolf_ITX: possible dumb question, whats position offset/feedback for on the display tab
06:13 PM Wolf_ITX: wonder if leaving those set at 'none' breaks the pendant display
06:32 PM Wolf_ITX: anyone happen to know if this would be part of float outputs in classicladder or something else 'net pos-x halui.axis.x.pos-feedback => xhc-hb04.x.pos-absolute' has to be something stupid I'm overlooking breaking the function
07:22 PM elmo40: emsjessec, i can send you an sldprt file
07:24 PM jdh: I can send you a jpg
07:44 PM Jymmm: I can fax a chicken
07:45 PM CaptHindsight: just the fax jacks
07:46 PM Jymmm: No jacks, just fax chickens
07:47 PM Jymmm: they are fluffier
08:01 PM CaptHindsight: don't conscience strickens before they hatch
11:13 PM veek: (heavy metals in mussel shells when grinding them) https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-46842671/how-a-sculptor-s-artwork-slowly-poisoned-her