#linuxcnc Logs

Jan 03 2019

#linuxcnc Calendar

02:13 AM russian_troll: selroc: Today's Log http://www.isaeff.net/logs/%23linuxcnc/2019-01-03.html
02:20 AM JesusAlos: Hi
03:22 AM Deejay: moin
03:53 AM Wolf__: morning
04:05 AM gloops: right, blade guide to finish and fit/test
04:07 AM gloops: according to my calculations, there is a 28.7% probably it will work
04:07 AM gloops: probability lol
04:54 AM jthornton: morning
04:55 AM XXCoder: hey jthornton
04:55 AM XXCoder: my solder kits fun finally arrived
04:55 AM XXCoder: but not flux pen aww
05:04 AM Wolf__: morning
05:05 AM XXCoder: hey Wolf__ hows projects
05:05 AM Wolf__: waiting on parts for the cnc plasma
05:05 AM XXCoder: it seems traditional to wait for stuff lol
05:06 AM Wolf__: ordered mesa stuff =)
05:06 AM XXCoder: nice
05:09 AM Wolf__: now I just need to order some parts for the plasma box to make a machine interface cable, hack in a voltage divider for the arc volts, and possibly attempt to mod the machine torch to use newer consumables
05:55 AM jthornton: XXCoder: you going to build the xmas tree now?
05:55 AM XXCoder: nah still no flux (though solder has em built in I would like to have flux pen to make soldering easier)
05:56 AM XXCoder: plan to start with simpler kits
05:58 AM jthornton: yea a flux pen makes the solder flow nice
06:00 AM XXCoder: i also need to figure how to fix my car external temperate sensor
06:00 AM XXCoder: its definitely connector, when I air blew it to dry, it worked for short time
06:02 AM XXCoder: not sure how to fix it though
06:03 AM XXCoder: I plan to remove sensor completely and bring it to my room and look whats going on
06:03 AM XXCoder: maybe its just dirt
06:03 AM jthornton: if it is a thermocouple then yea the connection needs to be dry or it won't work
06:03 AM XXCoder: it stops working when raint
06:03 AM Wolf__: dielectric grease the connector
06:03 AM XXCoder: would that short circuit?
06:04 AM Wolf__: dielectric grease is non conductive
06:04 AM jthornton: I know if I get the connector wet for my smoker thermocouple it faults the plc lol
06:05 AM XXCoder: something like https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dielectric+grease&sprefix=dielectric+%2Caps%2C210&crid=1ZDTHQPX0OP33 ?
06:05 AM Wolf__: without hitting the link, yeah lol
06:05 AM XXCoder: bit expensive
06:06 AM XXCoder: i gonna make sure connection works first it does feel a little loose
06:06 AM Wolf__: auto parts stores usually have little packets
06:06 AM XXCoder: yah tiny tubes $11
06:07 AM Wolf__: https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/permatex-dielectric-tune-up-grease-09980/7730006-P?searchTerm=dielectric+compound example
06:08 AM XXCoder: bah! gray text on white
06:08 AM XXCoder: barely readable. good thing I have amazing plugin to fix that
06:09 AM XXCoder: do i just fill inside with it or just coat everything?
06:10 AM Wolf__: just in the connector, idea is to keep out moisture that will cause shorts
06:10 AM XXCoder: yeah I meant inside ie pins the surrounding inside walls (not outside)
06:12 AM Wolf__: fill the pins pretty much
06:14 AM XXCoder: ok thanks
06:15 AM XXCoder: firefox plugin name is "dark mode" by bernard
06:29 AM Wolf__: XXCoder, jthornton, this is what the mesa stuff is going on https://i.imgur.com/buaZcnI.jpg
06:29 AM XXCoder: making nice progress thgere!
06:29 AM XXCoder: your setup could also do lasers
06:30 AM XXCoder: could just put it on side there
06:30 AM Wolf__: yup
06:30 AM XXCoder: issue is no covering lol
06:30 AM Wolf__: its not built for speed either
06:31 AM Wolf__: using 8mm x 8mm pitch 4 start screws
06:33 AM Wolf__: laser would be better off with belt drive IMO
06:39 AM jthornton: looking good
06:39 AM jthornton: my first test run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70jdiDm7yc
06:40 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/shop/plasma/z-axis-01.xhtml
06:41 AM Wolf__: no, thinking about doing a gnd touch off
06:42 AM Wolf__: or just manual touch off
06:43 AM jthornton: are you only going to be cutting HRPO material?
06:44 AM Wolf__: ?
06:45 AM jthornton: Hot Roll Pickled and Oiled ie clean sheets with no scale?
06:46 AM Wolf__: probably
06:46 AM * Deejay thought "what kind of led is that... oi-led...?" ;)
06:46 AM jthornton: must have been a cat walking on the keyboard
06:46 AM jthornton: ground touch should work with clean no scale sheets
06:47 AM Wolf__: mostly going to be 1/2” and 3/4” plate and cutting holes in rectangular tube stock
06:48 AM jthornton: wow that is some heavy sheet stock
06:48 AM Wolf__: thats why I made the machine light, move it to the plate lol
06:48 AM jthornton: ok that makes sense then
06:50 AM jthornton: I have a 90v linear actuator that I want to use for a gate opener... I wonder if it works ok on 24vdc???
06:50 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/PKS1kDE.jpg
06:51 AM jthornton: that looks heavy duty
06:52 AM Wolf__: thats 1/2” plate, tube is 3/16” wall
06:52 AM jthornton: are you modifying the truck or repairing it?
06:52 AM Wolf__: that was a mod, move used hook body to used truck
06:54 AM jthornton: I have the same level but mine is bit cleaner...
06:54 AM Wolf__: but the company we are subbing work from has about 10 new hook units sitting in our yard waiting for installs + a bunch of heavy 60k rated roll offs otw to be done and we are making the bumpers and plates in-house
06:54 AM jthornton: nice!
06:55 AM jthornton: what is a hook unit?
06:55 AM XXCoder: nice as you can use literally any size sheet, including oevrsize
06:56 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/UM3Rf8L.jpg
06:57 AM jthornton: so the hook unit can drop off and pick up the container?
06:57 AM Wolf__: yup, or anything mounted on a hook skid
06:58 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/P32UTAi.jpg
06:58 AM Wolf__: same truck
06:58 AM jthornton: cool
06:59 AM Wolf__: my surface grinder and vidmar cabinet is in that box right now lol
07:00 AM Wolf__: and if you need to help a annoying friend move, easy unload https://i.imgur.com/H48nAj9.jpg
07:02 AM Wolf__: also have been doing new trash packer truck installs (garbage trucks), not to much exciting with those tho
07:02 AM jthornton: I had to google vidmar cabinet lol
07:02 AM Wolf__: lol
07:03 AM Wolf__: bad idea, I want to fill my shop with them now
07:03 AM jthornton: I could use a few myself with all the crap I have in boxes lol
07:04 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/1tZAOhm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gLbOXN0.jpg I think its 400 or 450lb rating for each drawer
07:05 AM jthornton: wow I've not used a radius grinder in a long long time... I have very little tools for my B&S 612
07:06 AM Wolf__: I got a good auction score during the summer
07:07 AM jthornton: I used to sharpen nail point cutters on surface grinders but we had dressing fixtures for all the different angles
07:07 AM jthornton: geez that was a long damn time ago...
07:08 AM Wolf__: https://imgur.com/a/vCNoXKa this is most of the stuff, out the door at around $1500 iirc
07:09 AM jthornton: damn what a nice haul
07:11 AM Wolf__: the tall cabinet was half full of end mills
07:12 AM Wolf__: got all that machining stuff, and since then I haven’t had time to even look at it lol
07:16 AM XXCoder: lol
07:16 AM Wolf__: at least I’ll get some manual mill time in this weekend making brackets and stuff for the cable chains that go on the plasma table
07:23 AM gloops: well, i can report some success with my bandsaw - new blade guides almost eliminate the blade bowing, down from sketchy cut with 5mm bow to probably .5-1mm bow
07:24 AM Wolf__: may have remake the Z torch holder now in cad, originally I wanted to use the gear rack on the hypertherm but ended up just printing clamp brackets, but now I’m thinking about doing them with 3 ball bearings so I can use the torch as a touch probe
07:24 AM gloops: this is probably going to work i think, i will fit a 3/4 blade when it arrives i reckon ive cracked it
07:25 AM Wolf__: nice gloops, band saw rebuild is on my things I need to do list
07:25 AM gloops: the lower factory guide was doing nothing, surprising the instant improvement in cutting with a rigid guide
07:26 AM Wolf__: https://i.imgur.com/Gse5frx.jpg see pile of crap at lower right in pic lol mine is one of them odd tipped over ones =P
07:27 AM gloops: metal bandsaw Wolf?
07:27 AM Wolf__: yeah
07:28 AM Wolf__: old abused wilton
07:28 AM gloops: ahh right, mines only for wood, i darent post pics yet lol its in its primordial state
07:29 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/7x12-bandsaw/ I converted a 7" x 12" bandsaw to a vertical and now use it all the time
07:29 AM jthornton: http://gnipsel.com/images/7x12-bandsaw/7%20x%2012%20Bandsaw%2007.jpg
07:30 AM jthornton: I put a bigger table on it recently after moving to the new shop
07:31 AM Wolf__: I’m more so longing for a iron worker in my shop as of lately
07:31 AM jthornton: Wolf__: I built this using my plasma table and box/pan brake http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/
07:31 AM gloops: that looks ok, reminds me i need to get some paint
07:31 AM jthornton: sunrise here time to let the poop factories out
07:32 AM gloops: i need some bigger logs to test on, may as well wait for new blade now im not worried about it working
07:32 AM Wolf__: damn that looks good jthornton
07:34 AM jthornton: thanks, I love having a large blast cabinet so much better than that pos tsc cabinet
07:35 AM jthornton: here is the finished photo http://gnipsel.com/images/blast-cabinet/Blast%20Cabinet%2046.JPG
07:38 AM Wolf__: I need a new garage before I start thinking about those sorta projects lol
09:41 AM stjohn4444: Hi! can anyone recommend a modern mini-pc to use with a lcnc build? cheers!
09:42 AM stjohn4444: mesa card is on the end of a lan cable..
10:07 AM TekniQue: Yeah I would like to ask the same, kind of
10:08 AM TekniQue: except I would like to ask what's the recommended hardware to use for stepper control in 2019
10:08 AM TekniQue: I'm assuming bit banging the parallel port is no longer the thing, as I have not seen a PC with a parallel port in more than a decade
10:09 AM SpeedEvil: TekniQue: Some boards still have them.
10:09 AM TekniQue: my current LinuxCNC setup is an old machine with a parallel port, but if that dies which it eventually will, I'm wondering what to replace it with
10:15 AM gloops: you can fit a card for parport on new PC
10:15 AM Roguish: TekniQue: what ever you do, don't get too cheap. do it right
10:16 AM TekniQue: yeah that's what I'm wondering
10:16 AM TekniQue: what's the right way to do it in 2019
10:17 AM Roguish: puter hardware is sooooo inexpensive now. put something together that will go for many years, and don't look back. no buyers remorse.
10:18 AM * Loetmichel still has an I7-92 in his main (gaming) machine... and when i bought that it was brandnew... the gpu changed 3 times since then though
10:18 AM Loetmichel: .-)
10:19 AM Loetmichel: 920
10:19 AM TekniQue: of course a parport card is a nice and simple solution if modern computers can still run that with low jitter
10:19 AM TekniQue: that won't require any changes to my wiring harness
10:19 AM gloops: https://www.lindy.co.uk/components-tools-c7/add-on-cards-c308/1-port-parallel-pci-card-p9707/s9865?
10:20 AM TekniQue: a modern computer does not have a PCI slot
10:20 AM TekniQue: I have not seen a motherboard with a PCI slot in years
10:20 AM TekniQue: but surely a PCIe variant exists
10:20 AM SpeedEvil: TekniQue: Some don't even have ISA slots.
10:20 AM SpeedEvil: Madness.
10:20 AM Loetmichel: TekniQue: not entirely true
10:20 AM Loetmichel: there are (industrial) boards out there that still have PCI and even ISA
10:20 AM TekniQue: SpeedEvil: yeah and no Microchannel architecture either
10:20 AM Loetmichel: whats hard to get these days is PCI64 ;)
10:21 AM TekniQue: or vesa local bus
10:21 AM TekniQue: yeah I have a few PCI64 cards in a box in my attic
10:21 AM TekniQue: SCSI controllers as well as gigabit ethernet cards
10:21 AM SpeedEvil: Also, at least three years ago when I last looked, motherboards with parallel ports on headers were not rare
10:21 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: you can still get them
10:22 AM Loetmichel: as well as PciE-cards that have an internal ISA bus and work with linuxCNC
10:22 AM Loetmichel: pcie-lpt cards i mean
10:22 AM * SpeedEvil wonders if USB3 offers a suitable low latency option.
10:23 AM SpeedEvil: (not plugging a USB1/2 device into a port)
10:23 AM Loetmichel: its just getting expensive because those are mostly industrial boards these days
10:23 AM Loetmichel: SpeedEvil: IIRC usb is defined with about 1 second round trip time before timeout
10:23 AM Loetmichel: even 3.1
10:23 AM Loetmichel: so probably not
10:23 AM SpeedEvil: At teh very highest levels, perhaps.
10:24 AM Loetmichel: not even in iso mode
10:24 AM SpeedEvil: 'ethernet' has no guarantee, in some modes.
10:24 AM SpeedEvil: (and yet can be nanoseconds in others)
10:25 AM Jymmm: SpeedEvil: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13831008/what-is-the-minimum-latency-of-usb-3-0
10:25 AM SpeedEvil: (jitter)
10:25 AM Jymmm: 30uS
10:26 AM SpeedEvil: hmm
10:27 AM Jymmm: The main issue with USB2 is the device polling. Looks like USB2 uses peer-to-peer instead, so might be usable depening upon any caching
10:28 AM Jymmm: If you had more than 4 axis, I might question it
10:30 AM Jymmm: IMO (which can be full of shit), lcnc would be better suited to offload the "engine" to a FPGA and the controls/UI to any GUI device.
10:30 AM TekniQue: What's the easiest way to get a mill spindle for a DIY machine that can be used with a toolchanger?
10:31 AM TekniQue: I'm thinking I want to have a tool changer on my next mini mill, but I'm not really sure how to go about it on the spindle side
10:34 AM gregcnc: spindle needs a drawbar
10:36 AM TekniQue: yes obviously
10:36 AM gloops: someone made one for his router on facebook there other day, tools are just lined up on a rack, spindle travels, drops tool and picks next one up, id do that but im sick of making stuff atm
10:36 AM TekniQue: and some way to actuate it on command, usually pressurised air
10:37 AM TekniQue: yes that's my idea, have a rack for the tools just outside of the table
10:37 AM TekniQue: or on the edge of the table
10:37 AM TekniQue: but I need a suitable spindle and the collet holders, don't want to make those
10:39 AM gregcnc: there are many examples on the web, are you after something different?
10:40 AM TekniQue: no, I'm just after an off the shelf solution, spindle and the collet holders
10:40 AM TekniQue: a standard solution
10:43 AM gregcnc: TTS tooling is typical
10:47 AM gloops: tool changer https://www.facebook.com/alex.campbell.12979/videos/10156522306425399/
10:50 AM TekniQue: Sorry, this content isn't available at the moment
10:50 AM TekniQue: must be friends-only or something
10:50 AM gregcnc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFoKfEz1XRM
10:51 AM TekniQue: neat
10:52 AM gregcnc: https://youtu.be/iDT693Zv_wE
11:06 AM TekniQue: I bought one of those chinese USB pendants the other day, with a jog wheel and LCD display, haven't tried it in linuxcnc yet but there's supposedly a driver for it. I was disappointed to find no information anywhere about its programming, it presents itself to the computer as a HID device and I can read input reports which are easy to figure out, but it does not claim to have output report capability
11:06 AM TekniQue: so I'm at a loss as to how it really wants to control the LCD display
11:06 AM TekniQue: I saw the LinuxCNC driver uses an ugly hack which is to blacklist it as a HID device and hook it up to LibUSB instead as a raw device
11:06 AM TekniQue: which I guess works
11:07 AM fragalot: miss0r: it's getting worse. Both farnell and RS-online no longer sell to private customers. >.>
11:08 AM TekniQue: fragalot: wtf?
11:10 AM fragalot: TekniQue: they do both let you get all the way through the registration and check-out procedure though
11:11 AM fragalot: but farnell now offers parts via sinuss.be for private customers with a big mark-up and reduced offering
11:11 AM fragalot: RS-online just says "nope"
11:11 AM TekniQue: wow
11:11 AM TekniQue: I used to buy a lot from RS many years ago
11:11 AM TekniQue: privately
11:11 AM TekniQue: but nowadays everything I buy goes through my company
11:12 AM TekniQue: and Farnell never seems to have what I'm looking for so I don't do much business there nowadays
11:13 AM fragalot: I used to buy from farnell quite frequently
11:13 AM fragalot: and RS if farnell didn't have it
11:14 AM fragalot: digi-key thankfully remains as one of the last bastions to get parts from
11:14 AM * fragalot has just requested both farnell & RS-online to remove him from their databases in accordance to GDPR guidelines
11:14 AM fragalot: let's see what happens :P
11:14 AM TekniQue: Yeah I order from Digi Key about 20 times per year on average
11:15 AM TekniQue: and Mouser frequently also
11:15 AM TekniQue: occasionally Future Electronics
11:15 AM gloops: rs online still seems to be selling to all comers here
11:15 AM fragalot: gloops: until you ACTUALLY order something
11:16 AM gloops: i had stuff from them last year with no problem, not ordered anything recently
11:17 AM gloops: no sign of it up to paying page
11:17 AM fragalot: gloops: go to their terms & conditions
11:17 AM fragalot: point 1.5
11:18 AM fragalot: 1.5 RS is a business-to-business supplier. The RS website is intended for use by business customers and not by private individuals acting as consumers (“Consumers”).
11:18 AM fragalot: they changed it september 2018
11:19 AM TekniQue: interesting
11:19 AM gloops: https://uk.rs-online.com/web/
11:19 AM gloops: ?
11:19 AM fragalot: gloops: yes.
11:19 AM gloops: meh dont bother with that just order, they never check anything
11:20 AM fragalot: I _DID_ order
11:20 AM fragalot: they cancelled it via emaill
11:21 AM fragalot: so did farnell
11:21 AM gloops: how did they know?
11:22 AM fragalot: because the VAT number field is blank
11:22 AM gloops: you can still be in business without being VAT registered - i dunno then
11:22 AM fragalot: in that case, you can no longer be in business using parts from RS-online :-)
11:24 AM TekniQue: weird
11:25 AM gloops: plenty of others anyway
11:26 AM fragalot: less & less, gloops
11:31 AM gloops: https://www.accu.co.uk/
11:34 AM fragalot: doesn't sell any of the items I was after, but that supplier is definitely going on my list :D
11:35 AM fragalot: RIP bank account
11:46 AM gloops: i wonder if brexit has anything to do with it
11:47 AM gloops: as - no customs union
11:48 AM fragalot: doubt it
11:49 AM fragalot: I think it's GDPR
11:49 AM fragalot: also - even accu doesn't seem to sell BSPT taps :P
11:50 AM gloops: https://www.tracytools.com/taps-and-dies/BSPT-taps-dies
11:50 AM gloops: how much were they at RS in comparison?
11:50 AM fragalot: wasn't looking for that on RS
11:51 AM fragalot: I needed a nucleo-F303K8
11:52 AM gloops: plenty of those around
11:52 AM gloops: https://www.rapidonline.com/ST-NUCLEO-F303K8-Nucleo-Development-Board-STM32F3-Series-Arduino-Compatible-75-0776?IncVat=1&pdg=pla-339623251095:kwd-339623251095:cmp-757438067:adg-44804851896:crv-207912323492:pid-75-0776:dev-c&gclid=CjwKCAiAgrfhBRA3EiwAnfF4trRLnyQLB3JRbMuvDNlxSfBx85rY0GIg-EHzmSrp2lqijrwqtNleCBoCI68QAvD_BwE
11:52 AM fragalot: I already got them from digikey
11:53 AM fragalot: also - your link doesn't sell for personal purposes (again!)
11:53 AM gloops: it says use industry tab for personal use
11:54 AM fragalot: I did not see that was a link
11:58 AM gloops: you could also borrow a students card lol, easier than a VAT number
12:09 PM Jymmm: FWIW... "Flash OS images to SD cards & USB drives, safely and easily, cross platform" https://www.balena.io/etcher/
12:10 PM fragalot: neat
12:32 PM jthornton: I use etcher to flash my RPi SD cards
02:55 PM mozmck: Every time I hear about Etcher I go look at it, then when I see that it is 100 MB download of javascript, HTML, and etc I choke and just use the right-click menu in Mint to burn ISOs to thumbdrives. In windows I found Rufus which is a 1 MB download and works fine.
03:11 PM JT-Shop2: right click and select what?
03:12 PM mozmck: Right-click on an ISO file and select "Make Bootable USB stick" I haven't tried that for an SD card though, so it might not work for those.
03:14 PM JT-Shop2: I only need the bootable sd card for the RPi
03:14 PM JT-Shop2: that option must be a bit newer than this pc
03:14 PM mozmck: I'm running mint 17.3 on this machine.
03:15 PM JT-Shop2: hmm this is linux mint 17.3
03:16 PM JT-Shop2: I wonder if you need something plugged in to get that
03:16 PM mozmck: huh - see if you have mintstick installed?
03:17 PM JT-Shop2: yep it is installed
03:18 PM mozmck: usb-creator-gtk says it will do SD cards as well - I haven't tried it.
03:19 PM XXCoder: oh why why why did I wake up like dead?
03:19 PM XXCoder: I dont do alchol, I didnt part, I didnt even sleep expecially late
03:19 PM XXCoder: party
03:20 PM rmu: flu?
03:21 PM mozmck: too much sugar?
03:21 PM mozmck: JT-Shop2: are you using the Nemo file manager?
03:22 PM XXCoder: rmu nah i feel mostly fine, just some ligering effects
03:22 PM XXCoder: moz dunno maybe thats it
03:22 PM JT-Shop2: no, caja
03:22 PM JT-Shop2: I assume nemo is better :)
03:23 PM XXCoder: caja here also. like its simple ui
03:23 PM JT-Shop2: Nemo is the official file manager for the Cinnamon desktop
03:23 PM JT-Shop2: I use the Mate desktop...
03:23 PM XXCoder: xfce also uses caja
03:24 PM * JT-Shop2 has felt like crap all day
03:26 PM Deejay: gn8
03:27 PM mozmck: Ah, that's probably why - nemo has it in the right-click menu for .iso files. You can use mintstick from cmdline though
03:27 PM mozmck: xfce uses Thunar by default
03:28 PM XXCoder: hmm youre right I must have changed it in some point in past
03:28 PM XXCoder: ran thundar, yeah no wonder
03:29 PM mozmck: yeah, I ran xfce on this machine for a good while, but I used nemo even then for some of the features I wanted.
03:29 PM renesis: xfce ftmfw
03:34 PM XXCoder: i always love xfce, but thunar just isnt very good
03:34 PM XXCoder: I hate that I cant edit path directly
03:34 PM XXCoder: and ui overall just suck
03:34 PM mozmck: I use the nemo-terminal extension and nemo-rabbitvcs a lot.
03:34 PM JT-Shop2: is there any editor that can show the space and tab characters like gedit did?
03:34 PM mozmck: Mousepad
03:34 PM JT-Shop2: I'll have to check that out
03:35 PM mozmck: Kate - it is a pretty nice programming editor even.
03:36 PM XXCoder: hmm a second
03:37 PM * JT-Shop2 tries to clean his way out of the shop so the truck can come out
03:37 PM XXCoder: nope xed dont show tab and line endings
03:38 PM XXCoder: i know theres linux version and similiar to notepad++ but dunno name
03:39 PM mozmck: I forget what xed comes with, seems like it is on my mint 18 cinnamon laptop?
03:42 PM XXCoder: i use xfce mint
04:08 PM MarcelineVQ: i use xfce :>
04:09 PM XXCoder: ICE is apparently a thing
04:09 PM MarcelineVQ: Mostly because all of my time is spent in programs anyway so I don't care too much what the system ui looks/acts like
04:09 PM MarcelineVQ: so xfce is the simplest complete package that isn't 70% bloatware
04:09 PM XXCoder: people with apparently tiny penis deliberately block electric charging stations with trucks
04:09 PM XXCoder: off to work laters
04:10 PM MarcelineVQ: used to use LXDE but it requires slightly more customization than xfce
04:10 PM MarcelineVQ: bai
04:44 PM Roguish: JT-Shop2: https://notepadplusplus.net/linux/
04:46 PM jthornton: Roguish: I use notepad++ on windoze but I'm not very fond of the interface
05:13 PM Tom_itx: i like it
05:13 PM Tom_itx: i use that and programmer's notepad
05:14 PM Tom_itx: didn't know it was available for linux
05:16 PM jthornton: everytime I run notepad++ it wants to update but fails lol... way too much stuff on it for me
05:16 PM Tom_itx: huh
05:16 PM Tom_itx: i haven't had any problems with it
05:17 PM jthornton: with update?
05:17 PM Tom_itx: yeah
05:17 PM Tom_itx: i got it with some software download and just got used to it and now i like i
05:18 PM Tom_itx: running 6.1.5 on this pc
05:20 PM Tom_itx: https://notepad-plus-plus.org/contribute/binary-translations.html
05:20 PM Tom_itx: large language support
05:21 PM jthornton: I only speak one language redneck
05:21 PM Tom_itx: :D
05:22 PM Tom_itx: i know gedit doesn't act the same across linux versions
05:23 PM Tom_itx: but i use it
05:24 PM Tom_itx: https://notepadqq.com/s/
05:24 PM Tom_itx: may try that
05:25 PM jthornton: the main thing I like about gedit is the show spaces and tabs but it is getting progressively like a tablet and less friendly
05:25 PM Tom_itx: one thing i see i like is the block edit
05:26 PM Tom_itx: where you can hilite a block area and maniuplate it
05:26 PM Tom_itx: bottom of that page i linked
05:26 PM jthornton: in gedit or notepad++?
05:26 PM Tom_itx: notepadqq
05:26 PM Tom_itx: for linux
05:27 PM jthornton: hmm I'm liking what I see with that
05:27 PM Tom_itx: i had an editor that did that but i forgot which one it was
05:28 PM Tom_itx: i may give it a try
05:29 PM jthornton: hmm no package for it from apt let me know how it gets installed... out of data already until morning
05:29 PM Tom_itx: ok
05:30 PM Tom_itx: For Ubuntu and most other distributions
05:30 PM Tom_itx: Just run the following command in a terminal window:
05:30 PM Tom_itx: sudo snap install --classic notepadqq
05:30 PM Tom_itx: (if your distro doesnt have a snap command, you have to install it: follow the instructions here)
05:32 PM Tom_itx: https://docs.snapcraft.io/installing-snapd/6735
05:32 PM Tom_itx: tells about snap and how to install it
05:32 PM Tom_itx: you can look later
05:33 PM Tom_itx: what are you gonna install it on?
05:34 PM Tom_itx: Snap is currently unavailable on versions of Debian prior to 9
05:38 PM Tom_itx: from a root term or sudo,
05:38 PM Tom_itx: apt update
05:39 PM Tom_itx: apt install snapd
05:39 PM jthornton: mostly I use Linux Mint 18.3 but I might upgrade to 19 now that Kurt has solved the LinuxCNC issue
05:39 PM Tom_itx: snap install -classic notepadqq
05:39 PM Tom_itx: that's for debian
05:40 PM Tom_itx: Snap is available for Linux Mint 18.2 (Sonya), Linux Mint 18.3 (Sylvia), and the latest release, Linux Mint 19 (Tara).
05:40 PM Tom_itx: same process for mint
05:41 PM jthornton: yea I'll install it in the morning
05:41 PM Tom_itx: the site explains why they use snap
05:41 PM jthornton: which site?
05:42 PM Tom_itx: https://notepadqq.com/s/
05:43 PM Tom_itx: says it's installed
05:43 PM Tom_itx: not sure how to launch it
05:46 PM Tom_itx: https://github.com/notepadqq/notepadqq
05:46 PM Tom_itx: or build it yourself
05:47 PM jthornton: seems simple enough to build it
05:48 PM Tom_itx: i think they use snap to be platform independent
05:49 PM jthornton: I wonder why they need libqt5websockets5-dev is it phoning home lol
05:49 PM Tom_itx: how do i launch it now?
05:49 PM Tom_itx: heh
05:49 PM Tom_itx: i dunno
05:49 PM jthornton: dunno I've not installed it yet
05:49 PM Tom_itx: maybe for updates
05:50 PM jthornton: hmm it's js
05:52 PM Tom_itx: https://notepadqq.com/wp/2018/09/why-are-we-suggesting-snap/#comment-47497
05:52 PM Tom_itx: the 'why use snap' page
05:53 PM jthornton: interesting
05:55 PM Tom_itx: i think i'm gonna try it without snap
05:56 PM Tom_itx: Notepadqq installed as a snap package will not open a file beginning with a dot (i.e. .bashrc). However getting rid of the snap package and going the ppa route, everything works fine.
05:56 PM Tom_itx: Suggest you stop recommending snap packages until they are more mature.
05:56 PM Tom_itx: one user's comments
05:59 PM jthornton: time for dinner here
06:45 PM Vitran: I am inches from success. I got the spindle turning! But not controlled.
06:52 PM MacGalempsy: good evening
07:09 PM Vitran: evening
07:10 PM Vitran: I am banging head against controlling a spindle. I can controll it without PID atm, but not with.
07:10 PM Vitran: What are other peoples up to?
07:12 PM ziper: thinkin bout dem auctions
07:13 PM Vitran: oh dears
07:13 PM Vitran: Where is the auction?
07:13 PM Vitran: (I am not going to any auction.)
07:17 PM ziper: what is this thing? https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscsta/catalogue-id-bscsta10021/lot-4a6763f7-1505-449c-abdb-a9c300d6f9b5
07:19 PM Vitran: Is it an old label maker?
07:21 PM ziper: stamped plates?
07:23 PM Vitran: maybe. that would make sense. Soabar is in Philli and they have info about them making label makers
08:16 PM Tom_itx: jthornton, you might wanna look at atom as well https://atom.io/