#linuxcnc Logs
Dec 30 2018
#linuxcnc Calendar
12:42 AM XXCoder: im addicted to those videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d0IFhln6vM help!!
01:31 AM renesis: xxcoder: cool
01:32 AM XXCoder: yeah lol
01:32 AM XXCoder: bunch of great videos
01:52 AM veek: can we use pulleys to speed up a motor's rpm.. by hooking a large main pulley to a much smaller pulley - for bench grinder purposes
01:59 AM XXCoder: i'd guess so, up to limit where torque is just too much
02:53 AM Deejay: moin
03:15 AM fragalot: mornin' Deejay
03:16 AM Deejay: hi fragalot
03:17 AM fragalot: long live amazon. Product Name : Carbide Bar;Material : HSS
03:19 AM XXCoder: lol
03:19 AM XXCoder: high speed steel carbide bar :P
03:39 AM gloops: hmm, new blade guides and wider belt required for bandsaw
03:39 AM gloops: wider blade
03:39 AM XXCoder: thats your new hobby ;)
03:39 AM gloops: just what i need lol
03:40 AM gloops: seems to be the way with all these home made machines, a series of failures and disappointments before success
03:42 AM gloops: you fi one thing but then its like theres someone saying 'dont get too excited yet pal, you forget the x'
03:42 AM gloops: fix
03:45 AM XXCoder: yeah though theres point where you says "eh it works fine"
03:46 AM gloops: yeah, the annoying thing is you can see it WILL work, theres just always one more modification required lol, and that is time and tedium
03:47 AM gloops: the factory guides arent up to it, so ill make some more - already done that for my normal bandsaw took ages, and the blade could do with being wider, so thats 2 things to deal with
03:47 AM XXCoder: i saw one guy using table saw for cutting alum
03:48 AM XXCoder: not sure if that was advisable. even with sleds
03:48 AM gloops: slightly dodgy, a chop saw yeah
03:49 AM gloops: bandsaw is ok for alu probably safest type of saw
03:49 AM XXCoder: i have table saw but I need to build a sled for it. its pretty small
03:49 AM XXCoder: i mainly will work with wood... once shop exists argh!
03:49 AM gloops: jigs and sleds and stuff get very easy once you have a cnc router running
03:50 AM XXCoder: my area would be probably 5' by 5'. not huge but workable. most of stuff would be on one wall anyway
03:51 AM gloops: its enough for a lot of jobs
03:51 AM XXCoder: i wont be making for other people
03:51 AM XXCoder: i plan to make artwork and sell
03:51 AM gloops: space seems to shrink if you start working with full sheets of board
03:52 AM gloops: probably the best way, less stressful anyway
03:52 AM XXCoder: would be ironic if I started a biz anyway
03:52 AM XXCoder: and start bulk parts
03:53 AM gloops: https://www.fionakingdon.com/shop/oak-honey-bee-small
03:53 AM gloops: this woman seems to do ok
03:54 AM XXCoder: yeah
03:54 AM XXCoder: looks cool
03:54 AM gloops: im going to buy that drawing
03:55 AM XXCoder: did you ever see that amazing soap holder?
03:56 AM XXCoder: http://www.grunblau.com/SoapDishBMO.htm
03:57 AM XXCoder: $10 for files
03:57 AM XXCoder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLD4dFoXC7o youtube on it
04:03 AM gloops: sorry was afk
04:03 AM XXCoder: its not like links expire ;)
04:03 AM gloops: oh yeah i have seen that before
04:04 AM gloops: i reckon i could draw that in blender now pretty easy
04:04 AM XXCoder: its by math but unfortunately what folumbia was not shown
04:05 AM gloops: well, you could just draw the circles and ovals then extrude whichever way, not sure how the other side would work out though lol
04:06 AM XXCoder: I suppose I could try recreate it in oltivia
04:06 AM XXCoder: octivia whatever
04:06 AM * fragalot is getting his UK tooling shopping done before he has to pay import duties on 'm
04:06 AM gloops: that would look good as wall panels...a lot of cutting time though, impractical for stepper machines
04:06 AM XXCoder: its olviously has sin and cos, and both is crossed on X and Y
04:07 AM XXCoder: actually no powers likely
04:07 AM XXCoder: to power of 3 on Y, power of 6 on x
04:07 AM XXCoder: hm
04:08 AM gloops: just go via ireland fragalot thats where all the bootleg stuff will go
04:08 AM XXCoder: no, 4 and 8 respectively
04:08 AM gloops: if we ever leave...
04:10 AM fragalot: gloops: that'snot really the issue as such
04:10 AM fragalot: it's more that the UK seems to have better online distributors of the same crap everyone else sells
04:10 AM fragalot: so they import it first & then sell it on to me
04:10 AM gloops: yes we were set up as the logistics hub for the EU i think
04:11 AM fragalot: perhaps these places will revert back to drop-shipping
04:12 AM fragalot: like shop-apt.co.uk is my "go-to" carbide vendor
04:12 AM gloops: a lot to work out, a speedy 0 tariff trade deal with china and things may well get a lot better
04:12 AM fragalot: don't know any EU equivalents
04:14 AM gloops: thats the problem with central planning
04:14 AM gloops: where nations in a bloc are allocated different tasks, - one leaves the rest have a problem
04:15 AM gloops: they havent got the distribution infrastructure, just like we havent got the engine building plant
04:15 AM fragalot: the WTO schedules for the UK aren't published yet. it'd be interesting to see what they have planned.
04:15 AM fragalot: I mean, both poland and the netherlands are HUGE distribution centres
04:16 AM fragalot: like 90% of what I purchase comes from those 2 countries...
04:16 AM gloops: well so long as there is sea access and a decent rail network
04:16 AM fragalot: belgium is crippled in terms of online sales due to local government regulations preventing slave work
04:17 AM fragalot: the infrastructure is there, but the regulations aren't
04:18 AM gloops: regulations are part of controlling who does what in the eu bloc
04:18 AM fragalot: these are local regulations and have nothing to do with the EU
04:18 AM fragalot: because if they were imposed by the EU, NL wouldn't be able to do it
04:19 AM gloops: the regs for apples for example finished off the UK orchards, we had hundreds of varieties of apples - mostly not very uniform in colour or shape, france grows golden delicious - unaffected
04:20 AM gloops: you dont need two apple producing nations in the EU
04:22 AM XXCoder: lol restoring a shit computer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7ql5ui7LQ
04:23 AM fragalot: gloops: that ridiculous rule was repealed in 2009 wasn't it?
04:24 AM gloops: im not sure, too late when the trees have gone and houses built on the land though lol
04:24 AM fragalot: true
04:25 AM fragalot: makes you wonder how it ever got voted in though, given the UK has such a big swing
04:27 AM gloops: germany and france always get the favourable outcome
04:28 AM gloops: probably some bargain was struck - let france do the farming, we'll do the cold storage
04:28 AM fragalot: one of the reasons the UK gets that 60% rebate, or whatever it was
04:30 AM gloops: note italy is on the carpet for its proposed spending/deficit, France proposing higher deficit - no problem
04:31 AM XXCoder: lol. "large disk support driver" to support all 8 gb on disk. my pc has 16 gb ram. :P
04:31 AM fragalot: XXCoder: therer's a simple reason for that
04:31 AM XXCoder: yeah its 90s pc
04:31 AM fragalot: it's how large the addressing number needs to be
04:31 AM XXCoder: i know lol
04:32 AM XXCoder: my first windows was windows for workgroups 3.11
04:33 AM XXCoder: and last was windows 7
04:33 AM fragalot: :
04:33 AM fragalot: )
04:33 AM XXCoder: i ran windows 1.0 and 2.0 for lols later on
04:34 AM XXCoder: it was interesting seeing and running history of windows directly
04:34 AM fragalot: I wonder if I can get a VAT number for the express purpose of just being able to order stuff from hoffmann group >.>
04:34 AM XXCoder: how much would having vat number cost
04:34 AM fragalot: not much
04:35 AM fragalot: but typically having zero sales under it is frowned upon by the tax people
04:35 AM XXCoder: well maybe if you reship some stuff also lol
04:35 AM XXCoder: make 10 sales to friends each year lol
04:36 AM fragalot: most, if not all of my friends, have their own :P
04:36 AM XXCoder: lol
04:36 AM XXCoder: do they.. "sell" stuff to each other?
04:37 AM fragalot: actually.. kinda
04:37 AM fragalot: they do different things, so it makes sense
04:37 AM fragalot: one is a blacksmith / fabricator, the other restores statues or other antiques, and the other does adventure events :P
04:37 AM XXCoder: lol
04:39 AM gloops: their main interest is if you are charging VAT - and not declaring the sales
04:39 AM fragalot: see, I don't mind paying the VAT
04:39 AM fragalot: all I'm personally intersted in is having the VAT number to be able to buy things from wholesales such as hoffmann that does not sell to individuals
04:40 AM fragalot: I couldn't care less if I have to pay the VAT
04:40 AM fragalot: the only question then.. is do I buy via my VAT number, and then can I sell it to myself to get the taxes in order?
04:42 AM gloops: if its for fixed assets - not for resale you should be able to claim it back, assuming you have books for a business that these things are for
04:43 AM fragalot: yeah but if I would say, purchase a grinder "on the business"
04:43 AM fragalot: but never actually invoice anyone for anything that requires it
04:43 AM fragalot: surely that can't be legal?
04:45 AM gloops: well, the dilemna is, if you are stating your earnings are over the VAT threshold - but then show no business activity, theyre gonna want to have a look lol
04:46 AM fragalot: that's the thing isn't it :D
04:46 AM gloops: most tax forms just get processed by some clock watching clerk, they dont check anything, but the software flags up certain anomalies common to fraud, so some forms will get an automatic inquiry
04:47 AM fragalot: my interest isn't in fraud. happy to pay any taxes that are due
04:47 AM fragalot: but I'm also not interested in selling anything to anyone or the faff that comes with that
04:47 AM gloops: yes you arent avoiding tax, just wanting access to buy
04:47 AM fragalot: exactly
04:47 AM fragalot: so I wonder if I can sell it to myself for, say, 1% profit
04:48 AM fragalot: that way I'd personally pay for the taxes on the items, the company gets to sell something to remain legal
04:48 AM veek: fragalot, if myself is a business i'm guessing yes
04:48 AM fragalot: however it would only have one customer
04:48 AM fragalot: and that customer is the owner of the business
04:48 AM fragalot: ._.
04:48 AM veek: as in 'business' is an entity in of itself
04:48 AM XXCoder: customer better have another person, better scammy sounding
04:48 AM gloops: i dount theyd lock you up for it, you might just get corrected if they notice
04:49 AM veek: and 'you' are a different entity
04:49 AM fragalot: gloops: which is also not very interesting :-)
04:49 AM gloops: it would be bought by you for resale, as part of the vat registered business, then bought by you for personal use, you would technically be a bona fide customer i suppose
04:50 AM gloops: you can buy your own products
04:50 AM gloops: a shopkeeper doesnt go to another shop for his milk
04:50 AM fragalot: sure, but said shopkeeper has other customers too
04:51 AM gloops: buy 50 and sell 49 lol
04:51 AM fragalot: in belgium we have a term called "schijnzelfstandige" -- which is someone that works for himself for appearances only
04:51 AM gloops: like a front
04:51 AM syyl: sounds almost like the german word for it
04:51 AM syyl: scheinselbstständig
04:51 AM syyl: :D
04:51 AM fragalot: gloops: like a way for the employer to dodge taxes :P
04:51 AM fragalot: syyl: Exactly :-)
04:51 AM gloops: or money laundering
04:52 AM fragalot: gloops: kinda
04:52 AM fragalot: the way most of these get found out, is if they only invoice a single company
04:52 AM fragalot: though that's different I suppose
04:52 AM gloops: a lot of takeaways here dont have enough trade to even pay the rent on the premises, the owners all drive porsches though, funny that
04:53 AM gloops: i was one of the unfortunate ones who was taught to work for a living
04:53 AM syyl: i am doing something wrong
04:53 AM syyl: driving a fiat
04:54 AM fragalot: syyl: says the guy with a porsche worth of equiptment in his livingroom
04:54 AM syyl: lol
04:54 AM fragalot: :-)
04:54 AM fragalot: seriously though, i've added up all of the value of the items in my shed & attic and it made me sit down & re-evaluate my life choices for a bit :D
04:55 AM fragalot: always wondering why my sister could buy a house without a loan, and I couldn't
04:55 AM fragalot: now I know.
04:55 AM syyl: D:
04:56 AM XXCoder: lol
04:56 AM veek: it helps to look at prices in terms of rice bags
04:56 AM XXCoder: i cant get a house without loan :P
04:56 AM XXCoder: and I dont buy expensive stuff in general
04:56 AM fragalot: XXCoder: when I say house, I mean a run-down shack that needs a lot of work
04:57 AM XXCoder: depends on where
04:57 AM XXCoder: moldy and unlivable house sells for $1 million
04:57 AM XXCoder: and huge house for $300,000
04:57 AM XXCoder: difference? location
04:58 AM fragalot: sure
04:59 AM syyl: its the same here
04:59 AM fragalot: the simple answer really is to buy the unlivable house in a better location
04:59 AM fragalot: which is what i did
04:59 AM fragalot: then strip it down to bare brick, dig the foundation out completely, and re-do EVERYTHIG.
04:59 AM syyl: half a million will buy you a nice bathroom in the center of munich
04:59 AM XXCoder: unless house have history, yeah
05:00 AM syyl: or an OKish house out in the fields
05:00 AM fragalot: syyl: fields please.
05:00 AM XXCoder: one guy at seattle knocked down a house then asked permission to build new house and knock down house
05:00 AM XXCoder: they said "no you have to rebuild old house exactly to same specs as orginial"
05:00 AM fragalot: syyl: that way I could have more space for my shed... and run a punch machine without upsetting everyone in the neighbourhood
05:00 AM XXCoder: owner tried to get around keeping historic houses intact law
05:01 AM syyl: haha, yes fragalot
05:01 AM fragalot: XXCoder: one common method here is to have a jobside incident that damages it irrepairably
05:01 AM syyl: i am quite fortunate, living not in the city
05:01 AM XXCoder: jeez
05:02 AM syyl: and while I have neightbours, this is a mixed area, living/buisness
05:02 AM syyl: so, not a problem to run a buisness here, within reasons
05:02 AM gloops: yeah what they usually do here with listed buildings is leave it to fall down - usually help by several spontaneous fires
05:02 AM gloops: then get it declared unsafe
05:02 AM * fragalot has issues running his big compressor due to noise
05:02 AM syyl: i couldnt do 12hours a day forging/heavy fabrication
05:03 AM fragalot: so i've got 2 compressors.. one dinky little sound insulated one that produces maybe 40dB, and a big bastard
05:03 AM syyl: i got one of the silent ones that sits in the basement
05:03 AM syyl: can run that even on sunday mornings, nobody outside will hear it :)
05:03 AM fragalot: I wondered about those.. but the high airflow versions are huuuuuge
05:04 AM syyl: i gladly dont need huuuuuuuge amounts of air
05:04 AM fragalot: what about your blast cabinet
05:04 AM gloops: cheap garage type machine https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Horizontal-milling-machine/264107427072
05:04 AM syyl: oh, that takes a buttload of air :D
05:04 AM fragalot: syyl: Exactly :D
05:04 AM fragalot: hence me having 2 compressors
05:04 AM syyl: but it runs good on the silent compressor
05:06 AM fragalot: mine runs well on the tiny one too for the first second or so
05:06 AM syyl: lol
05:06 AM syyl: :D
05:06 AM fragalot: with the #4 nozzle
05:07 AM fragalot: syyl: do you know where you can find tiny cast iron balls for blast cabinets btw?
05:07 AM fragalot: instead of the alox mix I use now... too agressive.
05:07 AM syyl: hmm
05:07 AM fragalot: and the glass beads just don't last very long
05:07 AM syyl: i dont like glass beads :D
05:08 AM syyl: as for the CI balls, try a blastcabinetsupply-supplier
05:08 AM syyl: not very helpfull, hu?
05:08 AM syyl: :D
05:08 AM fragalot: oh dear
05:08 AM fragalot: I just got a new wireless alarm system
05:08 AM fragalot: and APPARENTLY you can arm it by swiching my LED lights on & off rapidly
05:09 AM fragalot: syyl: very helpful. Most local ones.. well, all of them, require a VAT number :D
05:10 AM fragalot: the place I got my cabinet from only sells crushed glass
05:10 AM fragalot: and HBM only sells whatever the chinese decided to put in the bag this shipment :D
05:11 AM XXCoder: talking about glass I want to have recycled glass kitchen counters spomeday :D
05:11 AM fragalot: you mean.. a glass countertop?
05:11 AM fragalot: because those are typically mostly recycled :P
05:12 AM XXCoder: yeah and yes
05:13 AM fragalot: just FYI: they're very cold surfaces to work on
05:13 AM syyl: i switched to alox for my blasting cabinet
05:13 AM fragalot: imho a poor choice for desks
05:13 AM syyl: but superfine media
05:13 AM syyl: 40μ grain
05:13 AM fragalot: syyl: same
05:14 AM XXCoder: fragalot: recycled glass? would it be cold and grav heat off food dishes?
05:14 AM fragalot: with a thien baffle on the exhaust to recuperate most of the grit as it gets vacuumed out
05:14 AM fragalot: XXCoder: probably. i've used a glass desk for a while and in winter they are hell.
05:14 AM fragalot: but a simlpe coaster would solve your problem
05:14 AM XXCoder: lol ok
05:15 AM jthornton: morning
05:15 AM fragalot: syyl: your precision stones. do these require any maintenance other than rubbing against each-other & an ultrasonic bath every now & again?
05:15 AM syyl: i dont even ultrasonic them :D
05:15 AM syyl: i wipe mine down with alcohole from time to time
05:16 AM XXCoder: hows you prevent curvate bias?
05:16 AM fragalot: Alrighty then
05:16 AM syyl: or wash them with soap under running water
05:16 AM syyl: are you happy with them?
05:16 AM fragalot: very. I should have gotten these ages ago
05:16 AM syyl: lol :D
05:17 AM fragalot: they're great to use on scraped surfaces.. really makes the tiny high spots "pop"
05:17 AM syyl: yep, absolutely
05:17 AM syyl: and its hard to overdo stoning with them
05:21 AM syyl: as robin says
05:21 AM syyl: "you can stone until you turn blue, they wont alter the surface"
05:21 AM fragalot: :D
05:22 AM fragalot: also. I'm looking for a 90° rotated CCMT holder
05:23 AM fragalot: so I can use up the "unused" side of the box-o-carbide
05:23 AM fragalot: or offset ones for facing I guess
05:26 AM fragalot: I guess this is one of those "make it yourself" type things
05:26 AM XXCoder: probably
05:27 AM syyl: i was told they exist
05:28 AM fragalot: so you DIY'd them anyway?
05:28 AM fragalot: :D
05:28 AM syyl: other way round
05:28 AM syyl: when i was done, i was told they exist :D
05:28 AM XXCoder: lol
05:29 AM fragalot: lol
05:29 AM syyl: which was ok, i sold the remaining ones and got footage for a decent video out of it
05:30 AM fragalot: yeah
05:32 AM fragalot: sod it i'm sticking to just brazing them on
05:32 AM fragalot: interesting. just found a picture of someone that made a face mill that uses them :P
05:32 AM syyl: yes
05:32 AM syyl: you can buy them too
05:33 AM syyl: recycle-facemills
05:33 AM fragalot: good to know now that i've already got 2 nice facemills and no more room in the rack
05:37 AM syyl: there is always room for one more cutter
05:37 AM syyl: :D
05:38 AM fragalot: :p
05:39 AM fragalot: I got a little wooden rack with the schaublin, but i'm not sure which toolholders the guy that made it based them off on
05:39 AM fragalot: you can't even put 2 weldon holders next to each-other or they hit eachother
05:40 AM syyl: trap for young players when making a tooling rack
05:40 AM syyl: :D
05:40 AM fragalot: :D
05:40 AM fragalot: it's especially fun with the 10-insert face mills
05:40 AM fragalot: "well, there go 9 holes"
05:40 AM syyl: :D
05:52 AM fragalot: syyl: do you have any idea what the 3 things center right are? https://photos.app.goo.gl/2onWdNX3xx3qxKGt5
05:53 AM syyl: look a bit like weird softjaws
05:53 AM fragalot: they're hardened
05:54 AM fragalot: came with the mill, but I don't appear to have anything that looks like these could bolt to them
05:56 AM XXCoder: 3 flat parts with 2 extrusions, with 3 facing inside
05:56 AM XXCoder: (on sides)
05:56 AM XXCoder: ?
05:56 AM fragalot: yes
05:56 AM XXCoder: interesting, no idea what it is
05:57 AM fragalot: put 'm on ebay as "metal objects"
05:57 AM XXCoder: price em $20,000 each
05:57 AM syyl: "rare vintage metal objects. collectors item"
05:57 AM fragalot: then later find out they're worth like $700 each when bought new
05:57 AM XXCoder: im sure someone will say "thats ricious price for X"
05:58 AM fragalot: XXCoder: brilliant
05:58 AM fragalot: you've cracked the internet
05:58 AM fragalot: I'll post them on practicalmachinist and call them something wrong
05:58 AM fragalot: i'm sure they'll respond faster than if I asked for advnce
05:58 AM fragalot: advise*
05:58 AM syyl: lol
05:58 AM syyl: they will go full practical on you.
05:58 AM fragalot: :D
05:59 AM XXCoder: or it sells at $20,000 even though that was underpriced hey yopu got $60,000 lol
05:59 AM fragalot: i've got a real mill now. I'm allowed on that forum.
05:59 AM fragalot: >.>
05:59 AM fragalot: XXCoder: kinda like selling an air guitar?
06:00 AM XXCoder: lol
12:20 PM fragalot: miss0r2: https://i.imgur.com/1gWIQXy.mp4
12:37 PM HighInBC: lulz
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01:22 PM miss0r2: fragalot: Shitsticks. I hope that dude was wearing facial protection :D
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01:38 PM fragalot: miss0r2: everyone was shocked when they found out he wasn't a qualified electrician
01:41 PM gloops: those obvious things arent so bad, its more scary to get a little shock from random parts of the machine and no idea why lol
02:10 PM ve7it: Jymmm, whats up man?
02:10 PM Jymmm: ve7it: Not much, you?
02:11 PM ve7it: hibernating.... no snow here, but suppossed to freeze tonight.... might get some white stuff
02:11 PM fragalot: drugs are bad, m'kay
02:13 PM ve7it: Jymmm, are you still in the wilds of Washington?
02:14 PM Jymmm: ve7it: No, Northern California #campfire
02:15 PM ve7it: ah... are fires settling down now?
02:17 PM Jymmm: They are out, but the aftermath remains
02:17 PM ve7it: I was up hunting moose in central BC this fall and there was not an animal to be seen... seems everything left the valley we were in due to fires in the summer
02:18 PM ve7it: BC has so many mountains, the smoke gets trapped in the valleys and makes things very uncomfortable even if the fires are 100 miles away
02:19 PM Jymmm: I can understand. I find it so weird homw many bugs and animals are still here, including deer
02:21 PM ve7it: spring will be amazing.... black burnt areas will magically turn green
02:22 PM Jymmm: They already are actually
02:22 PM ve7it: cool... a whole new batch of pine trees will sprout
02:22 PM gloops: Brexit ferry contract worth £13.8 million ‘awarded to company with no ships’
02:23 PM gloops: so we're off to a good start...
02:24 PM ve7it: Jymmm, did you have to evacuate?
02:25 PM fragalot: gloops: lmao
02:25 PM fragalot: getting more ferries is going to be a good thing though. the ones now feel very 1970's
02:26 PM gloops: not been on one for years
02:26 PM fragalot: Trust me. they haven't changed. :P
02:27 PM fragalot: even the arcade galleries on them still have the same games from when they were first built
02:27 PM fragalot: and typically none of them work
02:28 PM gloops: last one i went on was pretty grim, i stayed on the top most of the time
02:28 PM fragalot: last 2 trips have been horrible for me
02:29 PM fragalot: really bad storms both times
02:29 PM fragalot: but at least now I can say I know what it's like to go to the bathroom in zero-G
02:29 PM fragalot: things hover. it's weird.
02:30 PM gloops: lol, i avoid sea travel where possible, im ok while i can see land
03:14 PM gloops: hmm, i notice the new autodesk and adobe logos are very similar - and seem to represent the illuminati pyramid
03:15 PM * syyl_ puts his tinfoil hat back on
03:16 PM gloops: the all seeing eye - very apt for cloud based apps
03:16 PM fragalot: lol
03:16 PM syyl_: safety first!
03:17 PM fragalot: both companies hate each-other though, and they're both too big to merge
03:17 PM gloops: or they appear to hate each other
03:18 PM fragalot: they've kept up appearances for decades
03:18 PM fragalot: and i'm not sure that the fued has been going on for that long either
03:18 PM fragalot: :P
03:18 PM fragalot: I think their spat started around 2005 or so, battling between PDF & DXF
03:19 PM gloops: well the internet has changed considerably, used to be diverse with no dominant players - not anymore
03:19 PM fragalot: also, it appears that if I want a set of BSPT taps, I have a choice between unusable chinese cheap set, or a €2k set that's actually usable
03:19 PM fragalot: why on earth are these so expensive
03:21 PM gloops: better off with an old set if you can find them
03:24 PM fragalot: ideally looking for 1/8" up to 3/4"
03:28 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BSP-TAP-DIE/323626142880? presto, not cheap
03:29 PM gloops: ive got a handful or so in boxes somewhere, some really old die wrenches with sliding cutters too
03:30 PM gloops: kind of stuff you get if someone is giving them away on car boot sale
03:30 PM fragalot: that's actually a really nice set
03:30 PM fragalot: "collection in person only"
03:30 PM fragalot: >.>
03:31 PM gloops: hmm didnt see that, surely he can post that
03:32 PM gloops: i cringe at those prices though, you find them in boxes of junk here on flea markets etc
03:33 PM fragalot: all in one <-- https://chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/metstep.jpg
03:33 PM fragalot: :P
03:33 PM fragalot: gloops: Yea. you don't get stuff like that on flea markets here
03:33 PM fragalot: here you get ratty old kids toys where the batteries have leaked out
03:34 PM gloops: well we get those too lol, odd time the grandad worked in an engineering shop and filled the shed with whatever he could carry out over the years - grand daughter clearing his stuff out, no idea what it is
03:35 PM fragalot: those are insanely rare
03:36 PM gloops: not so rare around sheffield, ive got a set of bsf you could have, but they were for electrical screws on british cars heh
03:39 PM fragalot: I don't really have a need for BSF
03:39 PM fragalot: just BSP to fix the odd pipe thread
03:39 PM fragalot: for instance my neighbours' pump just spat out it's vent plug
03:40 PM fragalot: minus the "
03:40 PM fragalot: ' *
03:41 PM fragalot: and the chinese set i've got now would make things worse rather than just clean out the thread to fit an oversize plug in
03:41 PM gloops: im surprised there arent more on ebay they are a common thread
03:42 PM fragalot: yeah me too
03:48 PM gloops: https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/wedyaan16/m.html? some odd sizes on his list
03:50 PM fragalot: https://www.tracytools.com/gas-pipe-set-bsp-1-8-3-4 <-- that 'l work
03:52 PM gloops: dont know anything about the maker, right price though
05:03 PM Tom_itx: how different are they than US pipe threads?
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05:06 PM jthornton: I know bsp and npt won't fit each other...
05:27 PM Tom_L: you gettin wet over there?
05:27 PM Tom_L: was cold but sunny here today
05:29 PM roycroft: some bsp and ntp threads are fairly compatible
05:29 PM roycroft: er, bst
05:30 PM roycroft: nps and npt are not compatible
05:30 PM roycroft: but for taper threads, bst and npt use the same taper, and for some sizes, i belive in the 1/4"-1/2" range, the same thread pitch
05:31 PM roycroft: the included angle is different, and i would not try to mate them for any gas application or any high pressure liquid application, but for low pressure liquids, they could work
05:32 PM roycroft: use lots of pipe dope :)
05:32 PM Loetmichel: roycroft: bah. humbug
05:33 PM Loetmichel: use lots of teflon tape or hemp and grease... you'll get any thread to fit ;)
05:33 PM roycroft: and actually, it's just 1/2" and 3/4" that share the same thread pitch
05:34 PM roycroft: 1/4" and 3/8" npt is 18tpi, where bspt is 19tpi in those diameters
05:34 PM Loetmichel: close enough
05:34 PM roycroft: 1" ntp is 11-1/2tpi, and 1" bspt is 11tpi
05:34 PM roycroft: but 1/2" and 3/4" ntp and bspt are both 14tpi
05:35 PM roycroft: of course, if you weld them up the thread pitch does not matter
05:36 PM roycroft: i don't think i'd even try mating any nps to bspp though, not even 1/2" or 3/4"
05:37 PM jthornton: just starting to sprinkle here
05:37 PM roycroft: the difference in included angle and the difference in thread shape would mean they likely would not mate up at all
05:38 PM roycroft: sealing is irrelevant there, as straight/parallel pipe threads require some kind of sealing gasket or o-ring - the pipe connection itself is not designed to seal
05:39 PM roycroft: s/ntp/npt/g
05:40 PM roycroft: sorry, i use ntp at work on a daily basis - my fingers can't seem to type npt properly
05:51 PM CaptHindsight: Volumetric 3D Printing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31xHZvUP1Ls&feature=youtu.be
05:53 PM CaptHindsight: it's a bit more like the Replicator in Star Trek than FDM/FFF (CNC glue gun)
05:54 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00H-hXufpQE
05:54 PM roycroft: can you say "earl grey, hot" to it and it will deliver?
05:55 PM CaptHindsight: https://www.llnl.gov/news/volumetric-3d-printing-builds-need-speed
05:55 PM CaptHindsight: if you want a photpolymer version, sure
06:10 PM CaptHindsight: “If you leave the light on too long it will start to cure everywhere, so there’s a timing game,”
06:14 PM Tom_L: i wonder if the edges are sharp or 'mushy'
06:21 PM CaptHindsight: depends on what you call the edge
06:22 PM CaptHindsight: depends on the diameter of the lasers and how well they overlap/intersect
06:23 PM CaptHindsight: you can also post cure the printed parts in a nitrogen bath
06:24 PM _unreal_: damn I'm in love with this hotair rework station I just got
06:24 PM _unreal_: wish I had got one years and years ago
06:24 PM CaptHindsight: so if they are printed with the resin where it just cures rigid enough to hold it's own shape and weight then it may be post cured to a rigid
06:25 PM CaptHindsight: so the initial cure might be ~30% conversion (polymerization) then post cured to >%90
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07:51 PM roycroft: yay
07:51 PM roycroft: my digital caliper finally shipped
07:51 PM XXCoder: yay
07:51 PM roycroft: it will be nice to get it
07:52 PM roycroft: and when i do, i might finally send my starret dial calipaer in for repair and recertification
07:52 PM roycroft: i dropped it a couple years ago, but it's still the most accurate one in my shop
07:53 PM roycroft: i'm really looking forward to getting the digital one
08:33 PM _unreal_: got to love good tools. I just picked up a hot air reflow station
08:33 PM XXCoder: nice
08:34 PM XXCoder: im still waiting for my solder kits
08:34 PM XXCoder: as well as flux
08:34 PM _unreal_: next thing I need to get is solder paste
08:34 PM _unreal_: but regardles OMG... what a difference
08:35 PM _unreal_: I've already pulled the programming pic chip from my programmer put in a socket so I can upgrade it to the lastest firmware
08:35 PM _unreal_: and a few other projects that ONLY a reflow could do easy...
08:35 PM _unreal_: just mind numbing I've never purcahsed one till now....... I should have gotten one 5+ years ago
08:37 PM XXCoder: yeah some stuff just dont seem useful till you have it
08:37 PM XXCoder: i thought getting a 1950s starret mic was kinda silly
08:38 PM XXCoder: but end up use it all the dang time. my mitotoyo mic gets quite little use
08:45 PM _unreal_: what do you use the mic fore?
08:46 PM XXCoder: digitial mitoyoto mic
08:46 PM XXCoder: its large and bulky
08:46 PM XXCoder: 1950s one is small compared to it and very easy to check
09:30 PM tiwake: any good sources for building your own FDM type rapid prototyping machine?
09:45 PM XXCoder: hey, theres bunch of open source designs
09:45 PM XXCoder: prusa seems good on that
09:45 PM Tom_L: not FDM
09:45 PM XXCoder: ah depostation
09:46 PM XXCoder: ie nylon and so on
09:46 PM XXCoder: laser fuse
09:46 PM XXCoder: theres sugar fab toi serve as example
09:46 PM XXCoder: watch out for CO and keeping nylon powder superdry
09:46 PM XXCoder: really depends on what material you want
09:47 PM XXCoder: whats material you wanna use
09:49 PM Tom_L: tiwake, no guarantee but there might be something in this: https://www.3dhubs.com/knowledge-base/introduction-fdm-3d-printing
09:50 PM XXCoder: tiwake: https://candyfab.org/ thought it was sugarfab sorry lol
09:51 PM XXCoder: it wont work for say nylon because its all open to air, as well as danger from CO
09:54 PM tiwake: what would be a good plastic for about 250-300 degree f?
09:55 PM Tom_L: http://polymerdatabase.com/polymer%20physics/Polymer%20Tm%20C.html
09:56 PM XXCoder: is there also respective TG?
09:56 PM XXCoder: list of
09:57 PM Tom_L: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-melting-point-of-plastic
09:57 PM Tom_L: another reference
09:57 PM XXCoder: that one is nice
09:59 PM Tom_L: https://www.plastikcity.co.uk/useful-stuff/material-melt-mould-temperatures
09:59 PM Tom_L: yet another one
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